I have a couple questions about your single target build, if it's not too much trouble. 1. Why do you run Shadowboxing Treads instead of Fluidity of Motion on a single target build? The damage works out to be the same (120/4s vs 90/3s) but extra casts from FoM might mean more chances to combo Tiger Palm, as well as the defensive benefits- more EB stacks and spheres. 2. Why Sal'salabim instead of Scalding Brew? Charred Passions will maintain the BoF dot for you in single target either way, and you still need to hit Keg Smash to reapply BoF anyway. Either way great video. I've been out of the loop for a little while now and my guild is starting to play a little more competitively, so I'm looking to improve, and your channel has always been very helpful. Thanks!
Happy to answer! FoM reduces your damage with BK, so while it increases the availability of BK, it also reduces the damage per cast. Because of this, it's not a DPS increase. It's also more restrictive on your rotation, giving you only one GCD every BK-TP cycle to fill in other skills, and wildly punishing towards any moments in which you miss a BK-TP, such as having to use heals like CB & EH, being forced out of melee range, or just making a mistake. One of the SimCraft devs for Brewmaster Monk has spent some time in the last month trying to determine whether a FoM BC-TP setup could be better (mostly as a joke), and it's surprisingly close on paper, but it's SO much more punishing than the already-difficult BC-TP setup. Finally, there's the issue of fights like Sarkareth and Neltharion that are *mostly* single-target, so you would want to play BC-TP for the majority of the fight, but for the brief sections with adds, you would just play a normal AoE rotation and use your BC buffs on Breath of Fire for more AoE damage, for example. In those cases, Shadowboxing Treads is going to add a lot more damage as soon as any adds come into play, as well, so it's a much more universally-useful option, as well as just being better numerically and more forgiving (although still not all that forgiving compared to other tanks' rotations). As for Sal'salabim's Strength over Scalding Brew, SS adds a lot more damage than SB. Casting Breath of Fire grants Charred Passions, so that alone makes it stronger than Scalding Brew, since you'll only have about 50% uptime on Charred Passions without Sal'salabim's Strength, and you can reasonably have it up most of the time with SS. Scalding Brew only buffs Keg Smash damage, and given that KS' damage in the single target rotation is very, very limited now, this would only be worth
Yup, it's seeing use in higher-level M+ because it makes the spec a lot simpler, and it adds a steady trickle of defenses. It's possible it becomes a competitive playstyle for raiding in a later patch, but for now, it's a disappointment.
This is slightly off topic. I get that I’m possibly in the vocal minority about Brewmaster’s complexity of play, but as someone that’s played Brewmaster off and on since MoP, I feel the whole spinning multiple plates play style is entrenched into the spec. It’s speed, “button bloat”, and complexity are some of the main reasons it’s remained one of my favorite tanks. It’s a similar situation with Enhancement for me. Whether it too complex is sadly not up to be to determine personally. There definitely should be a compromise struck in my opinion.
'You might be doing - you know - 2 or 3 or 4 times more damage than you would have... if you're just throwing out there raw.' My observation is that I have the most damage if I'm just throwing it out there RAW! ;)
Not so long ago the rule went like this: if you take the Charred Passions talent then you might as well take Tiger Palm off of your action bars because with this talent Spinning Crane Kick does more dmg even in single target. I suspect it's no longer the case when it comes to single target builds (with Face Palm and Blackout Combo). But what about the dungeon builds (with Weapons of Order taken ofc)?
Hey can someone explain how I hold my Keg smash for 7-8 PTA stacks when it’s part of my rotation? What else am I supposed to press while waiting for stacks to rise if I can’t SCK?
It can be useful while leveling, but at max level, its impact is pretty limited. Its placement in the tree doesn't help, either. It's in a spot that leads to one of the worst talents in the entire game, Graceful Exit. If it helped with pathing, or was in a choice node somewhere else, it might see more use, but it really isn't that big of a heal, so it probably wouldn't be that popular, either.
This is the second time I've heard you say blackout combo empowers RSK. I run blackout combo standard in my build and understand it quite well. It doesn't empower RSK. If you blackout kick then RSK, your blackout combo is still there waiting to be used by either keg smash, fire breath or one of your brews. Unless the auto attack is suppose to proc it, I'm not seeing where blackout combo in any way helps RSK or PTA. Perhaps when you BOK and Keg smash to proc PTA once at 10 stack? But it doesn't work with RSK. Or is it bugged where you get RSK empowered but doesnt use it and you can use it use it on kegsmash?
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Wowhead Guide: www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/monk/brewmaster/overview-pve-tank
Talent Builds:
Mythic+: www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/DAOUEEWJFUZVEYIIECAVOVFUREVRRVVIERUDUVU
Raid (AoE):
www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/DAOUEEGJFUZVFYIIECAVOVFUREVRRUUIEVVEUVUQ
Raid (ST):
www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/DAOUEEGJEUZVVYIIECAVOVFUREVRRUUIUVREUVUQ
Press the Advantage (ST):
www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/monk/brewmaster/DAOUEEGJFUZVFYIIECAVOVFUREVRRUUIUFVEUVQQ
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That’s exactly which opinion I was curious to know about the new talents, thank you for the video!
Thank you!
I have a couple questions about your single target build, if it's not too much trouble.
1. Why do you run Shadowboxing Treads instead of Fluidity of Motion on a single target build? The damage works out to be the same (120/4s vs 90/3s) but extra casts from FoM might mean more chances to combo Tiger Palm, as well as the defensive benefits- more EB stacks and spheres.
2. Why Sal'salabim instead of Scalding Brew? Charred Passions will maintain the BoF dot for you in single target either way, and you still need to hit Keg Smash to reapply BoF anyway.
Either way great video. I've been out of the loop for a little while now and my guild is starting to play a little more competitively, so I'm looking to improve, and your channel has always been very helpful. Thanks!
Happy to answer!
FoM reduces your damage with BK, so while it increases the availability of BK, it also reduces the damage per cast. Because of this, it's not a DPS increase. It's also more restrictive on your rotation, giving you only one GCD every BK-TP cycle to fill in other skills, and wildly punishing towards any moments in which you miss a BK-TP, such as having to use heals like CB & EH, being forced out of melee range, or just making a mistake.
One of the SimCraft devs for Brewmaster Monk has spent some time in the last month trying to determine whether a FoM BC-TP setup could be better (mostly as a joke), and it's surprisingly close on paper, but it's SO much more punishing than the already-difficult BC-TP setup. Finally, there's the issue of fights like Sarkareth and Neltharion that are *mostly* single-target, so you would want to play BC-TP for the majority of the fight, but for the brief sections with adds, you would just play a normal AoE rotation and use your BC buffs on Breath of Fire for more AoE damage, for example. In those cases, Shadowboxing Treads is going to add a lot more damage as soon as any adds come into play, as well, so it's a much more universally-useful option, as well as just being better numerically and more forgiving (although still not all that forgiving compared to other tanks' rotations).
As for Sal'salabim's Strength over Scalding Brew, SS adds a lot more damage than SB. Casting Breath of Fire grants Charred Passions, so that alone makes it stronger than Scalding Brew, since you'll only have about 50% uptime on Charred Passions without Sal'salabim's Strength, and you can reasonably have it up most of the time with SS. Scalding Brew only buffs Keg Smash damage, and given that KS' damage in the single target rotation is very, very limited now, this would only be worth
Thanks mate for the vid! Love monk tank and want to play it properly. Still find myself fumbling over my keys during those squeeky bum time moments.
Amazing video! Thanks man for putting this together. So informative. LoL I might not suck as much anymore as BrM =DDD
Glad to help! =)
Top tier content. Was really disappointed on PTA changes, because I was really really looking forward to it. Shame.
Yup, it's seeing use in higher-level M+ because it makes the spec a lot simpler, and it adds a steady trickle of defenses. It's possible it becomes a competitive playstyle for raiding in a later patch, but for now, it's a disappointment.
Super helpful. Thank you!
Glad to help!
This is slightly off topic. I get that I’m possibly in the vocal minority about Brewmaster’s complexity of play, but as someone that’s played Brewmaster off and on since MoP, I feel the whole spinning multiple plates play style is entrenched into the spec. It’s speed, “button bloat”, and complexity are some of the main reasons it’s remained one of my favorite tanks. It’s a similar situation with Enhancement for me. Whether it too complex is sadly not up to be to determine personally. There definitely should be a compromise struck in my opinion.
Yeah a compromise would be a good move.
'You might be doing - you know - 2 or 3 or 4 times more damage than you would have... if you're just throwing out there raw.' My observation is that I have the most damage if I'm just throwing it out there RAW! ;)
Not so long ago the rule went like this: if you take the Charred Passions talent then you might as well take Tiger Palm off of your action bars because with this talent Spinning Crane Kick does more dmg even in single target. I suspect it's no longer the case when it comes to single target builds (with Face Palm and Blackout Combo). But what about the dungeon builds (with Weapons of Order taken ofc)?
You can use TP in ST in M+. In any AoE situations, you're always best off using SCK as your filler spell.
Hey can someone explain how I hold my Keg smash for 7-8 PTA stacks when it’s part of my rotation? What else am I supposed to press while waiting for stacks to rise if I can’t SCK?
You should hold it *if* you're at 8+ stacks (which should only be a couple of seconds), not until you hit 8+ stacks.
I’m not even close to BIS, around 337 and I’m still getting RSKs for 440k on the second proc.
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Do you have a video going over your macros you use on your brewmaster?
No video at this time, but we're thinking about creating one.
Is there a reason you don’t take healing elixir at all?
It can be useful while leveling, but at max level, its impact is pretty limited. Its placement in the tree doesn't help, either. It's in a spot that leads to one of the worst talents in the entire game, Graceful Exit. If it helped with pathing, or was in a choice node somewhere else, it might see more use, but it really isn't that big of a heal, so it probably wouldn't be that popular, either.
This is the second time I've heard you say blackout combo empowers RSK. I run blackout combo standard in my build and understand it quite well. It doesn't empower RSK. If you blackout kick then RSK, your blackout combo is still there waiting to be used by either keg smash, fire breath or one of your brews. Unless the auto attack is suppose to proc it, I'm not seeing where blackout combo in any way helps RSK or PTA. Perhaps when you BOK and Keg smash to proc PTA once at 10 stack? But it doesn't work with RSK. Or is it bugged where you get RSK empowered but doesnt use it and you can use it use it on kegsmash?
BC doesn't empower RSK.
PTA empowers RSK.
I wouldn’t say DH is super easy and chill 😂
i think he probably means rotation wise lol
@@617k3vingaming Compared to Brewmaster Monk it's like eating ice cream inside a walk-in freezer at the North Pole!
Can we get an updated blood dk guide?
Yup, working on gearing up the DH and DK right now. Thankfully, the current gearing system makes it easier than ever!
@@WoWatNight Right on thanks man!
Hope DKs get a rework
@@normannseils3936 They need a paladin style reform