Tony McCarroll has really had the shit end of the wedge post Oasis. He was crucial to the sound of Definitely Maybe, he played it straight down the line, had good timing despite the propaganda to the contrary and hit hard as nails. If Noel hadn’t rubbished him in the press after he fired him he could’ve gone on to join any band.. instead of which he was labelled as damaged goods which I think is unforgivable. I think Noel is a great songwriter, a hilarious raconteur and a clever man but he did not do the right thing by Tony no question.
Yep, there was simply no need whatsoever for Noel to do that. It was bad enough that Tony was booted out of the band just before they became the biggest band in the world so why relentlessly kick him when he was down for years afterwards... Everything I've ever seen or read suggests that Tony was/is a really decent guy so just plain nasty behaviour on Noels part and for no apparent reason either.
Yes. I mean noel and tony got along as childhood friend, so i don't understand why he had to publicly slammed tony drumming skills. Let your friend get into another band if u not satisfied with his skills, instead of insulting him which probably made a lot of band lost interest to him.
Tony could've gone and joined another band, but he chose not to. Instead he "spent three years getting drunk" after Noel kicked him out. Then he tried suing them, further tarnishing his reputation. Then he tried forming a band in 2000 with his brothers, but gave up after several weeks. Can you really blame Noel at that point? And nothing stopped him from indulging into his *own* solo career, which Liam, Bonehead, Noel, and even Andy Bell have all done.
@@BackToBackJames Tony's reputation already ruined when noel publicly slammed his drumming skills. No way tony can easily join another band when his reputation is ruined.
@@anandante2576 Yes that might be part of it but it was definitely partly Tony's fault as well. Also do you know where Noel publicly slammed him? Genuinely curious I want to see what he said
Unpopular opinion: While Morning Glory with Tony on drums wouldn't have been anywhere near as good, Definitely Maybe with Alan would've been even worse.
As a musician of over 40 odd years and growing up through the early years of Oasis and beyond I never once questioned the drummers ability, didn't bat an eye lid to it until seeing these videos.
Even though White was supposed to be a better drummer, McCarroll's drumming is far more iconic; the intros on Live Forever, Supersonic and Bring It On Down for example.
Just not true mate. Alan White is a much more versatile drummer, he can rock hard, playing an excellent part of the power and be complimentary to softer songs. He's a much better drummer imo
Alan can rock hard when he’s given the material to do it with. It’s all to do with what Noel’s writing at the time. Champagne supernova at Earl’s Court is proof of that, I’ve never seen Tony play any song like that cause he couldn’t. Rock n roll star was good, But then I think Alan plays that better too. Also my generation live Alan rocks hard on that one too.
Tony McCarroll plays on Oasis' best album. Alan White plays on Oasis' second best album. Both men had what it took to deliver the goods and make two classic albums. Nuff said.
I have multiple opinions on the whole thing. Tony McCarroll was an excellent, naturally gifted drummer and Definitely Maybe would have sounded way different without him. Watch their Southend gig from ‘95, Tony’s drumming is impeccable, hard, fast, raw, punky. I think in recent times people have grown to appreciate Tony’s contribution to Oasis a lot more, which is nice to see. Secondly, Alan White was a phenomenal drummer, faultless, his fills are incredible and he doesn’t get the recognition he deserves, he was the drummer of the greatest band in the world - at their peak - for a decade, yet he never gets talked about outside of Oasis circles, his name is never mentioned in lists of legendary drummers and he’s almost a forgotten man, it’s quite shameful. He deserves way more accolades.
Alan White is a better drummer, but he's a professionally trained drummer. If you put all the other members of Oasis next to professional guitarists, bassists etc...we'd probably say the same thing about them.
@@sb6482 the sound that comes out might sound pretty good, but you would notice the difference with a professional singer. You may not like the sound that comes out with the professional singer but they would be a better singer. Noel puts this point perfectly when he says "i'm the better singer but Liam has the better voice".
Tony just played simple beats which past Definitely Maybe, wouldn't have got anywhere. Tony was pushing his luck by getting to 95. Alan is a much more inventive drummer
Tony reminds me of drummers like Steven Adler, Phil Rudd, Clive Burr and even Peter Kriss - all replaced in their respective bands by technically better drummers but they had something that made the bands "sound".......
@@flamingcabbage8359 I was just thinking about Supersonic, Cigs & Alcohol and Live Forever on There & Then, and have realized how much I disagree with you :)
the song definitely has more life to it when tony plays on it...part of that oasis appeal was that there was a rawness, a danger to it...that is completely missing with white...oasis DID NOT sound the same later on...its not about who is better, its about the sound you bring...thats why great musicians dont necessarily become big names...
Tony is a good drummer, Alan is a great drummer. Doesnt matter if you're self taught or not, if you can play then you can play. Some just play better than others.
Everybody is treated unfairly by Noel...Noel thinks he's much better than he actually is, ask The Real People, Cook Da Books, and The La's...Oh, and The Beatles.
It's funny that Tony was, supposedly, kicked out for not being sufficiently virtuosic on the drums. When you consider NOBODY in Oasis was anywhere close to being a virtuoso on their preferred instrument. Plenty of guitarist's that would play circles around Noel and Bonehead, plenty of bassists play circles around guigsy, plenty of singers with better range and technicality than Liam. It's all besides the point, it worked because they were all great within the context of Oasis. Definitely Maybe will always be the definitive Oasis record because those group of people were the magic formula. Anyways, if you dig into the history of the band, it becomes apparent that Tony's firing was probably more to do with the fact that Noel simply didn't like Tony than anything else. By alot of account's from the day he was a solid enough drummer and Paul Gallagher even said he was a good dude as a person.
Apparently Guigsy also didn't get on well with Tony. They once nearly came to blows because Guigsy said that Tony was screwed when Noel put the firing clause in the bands contract. Tony's response was along the lines of 'at least I actually played on the album'.
Tony McCarrol is so underrated. I'm not saying he's Neil Peart but there's a few drum intros that are up there with Rock n Roll by Les Zepplin or Mr Brownstone by GnR in terms of how recognisable they are. With any other drummer, they may never have made it.
To each there own. To me it sounds like he tried to learn how to play, realized it was never going to happen, and it's his first time back behind a kit in years. There is a reason it took the band longer just to get the drums laid down on Definitely Maybe than it did to record all of WTSMG. I think some people opinions may be a little clouded from the nostalgia of Definitely Maybe, which is completely understandable. That album means so much to many that it's really hard to imagine it any different.
Tony is the better drummer by far. You notice the drums on every track on definitely maybe, they have character. You don't notice drums on any AW track as they are just in the background. None of it is memorable. it's just there. that's because Alan white is just a session musician. Session musician can play technically but don't have character. Oasis turned to turd the day they sacked TM facts. DM is the only true masterpiece they made.
1 Walshypj well said, totally agree. Tony did a great job and was treat poorly by Noel. However, without Alan to help move the band forward musically they would’ve stagnated, What’s the Story would’ve been a cheap imitation of Definitely Maybe as those songs wouldn’t have come to with life Tony behind the kit (Wonderwall, DLIB, Cast No Shadow and Champagne Supernova in particular wouldn’t have been nearly the songs they were with Alan’s contributions to them). In short, all Oasis fan owe a massive debt of gratitude to both for their contributions, comparing them is meaningless.
This isn't about who is a better drummer. This is about who has that Oasis sound. That sound isn't polished and came from the mean middle class working streets of Manchester. I believe if they let Tony stick around he could have gotten better with time like all the band did. I'm really happy that Tony is getting his due and the accolades he justly deserves. Still love Oasis.
Exactly that is what rock and roll is all about, working class guys with a dream to make it big, original line up was the best, worked it all up from nothing, don't mess with the magic that made that original sound. 👍
Alan whites brilliant a technically superior drummer to tony. And wonderwall is what i would say is what sums up Alan white tony could never of played that.. But alan cant play the definitely maybe songs.. He can technically, but hes and none else after him has ever replicated the definitely maybe oasis vibe that only tony had... He belonged in oasis. People wonder why Oasis lost their way after denitley maybe and whats the story.. They became pop. And alans whites drumming was a huge effect.. Their slow ballad songs where great but their rock n roll oasis RAW vibe was lsot forever.. People wonder why.. Ill tell you why... Tony macaroll is why.
I respect to Tony with great take off until definitely maybe album, but i like Oasis more when with Alan on drum. The time Oasis become a world's britpop legend
@@roberttodd2414 I'd disagree with that..."Different Class" hadn't even come out yet. Over the course of '96 is really when it started to warp and then fade away, inspiring Blur to write "Death of a Party"
No one give a fk about McCaroll then & hes only brought up now by 18-20 year olds because they felt sorry for him after watching supersonic. Alan White was more oasis than Tony. He was the OG but that doesn’t mean better or more apart of the group. Does anyone really think the OG Nirvana drummer who drummer on their first album bleach is more apart of the group than Dave Grohl?? No, sane applies. Alan will always be apart of the definitive line up.
Considering that both brothers were off there heads most of the time even whilst recording, it's a bit rich to bag Tony. Shame they ditched him, he definitely gave them that back beat.
The difference is that Alan has wide range of knowledge on the drums while Tony is obviously very limited. But Tony did come up with the Live Forever groove which is arguably the most recognisable Oasis drum pattern, so fair play
@@patrickmartens404 Really? I certainly wouldn’t call them complex but you recognise Live Forever, supersonic, bring it on down etc. straight away because of the drums, what else is really needed from a band that revolves around song/melody?
@@adambrennan579 Yeah, honestly that's a huge part of the early Oasis sound just in general, but it's exemplified by the drumming. "Supersonic" and it's opening is the perfect example. As a notable music writer once said, the sound "insists upon itself"--it's slow, deliberate, and primal, and demands you set yourself to it rather than the other way around. Just that 'boom-bap, boom-boom-bap, boom-boom-bap, boom-boom-bap', as the guitar scrapes, it's basically tuning you in to the feel of the whole thing, going "here it comes boys--get ready"
Tony is better for me. More imaginative, original and moves more. I also like how he adds lots of fizz with his cymbal work, and he never bloats too much with the snare and kick. I think this suits the wall of guitars in Oasis better. Alan is maybe technically better, but he always locks down and pounds the snare too hard. Oasis always sounded a bit sludgey with him to me. Tony = punk rock. Alan = pub rock
@@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse I reckon he means Alan’s a better drummer but he’d rather see Tony be in the band, like Bonehead vs Gem. I don’t know why though, Tony’s a bit of a spud if you ask me
Tony would have been the best drummer on ALL THEIR ALBUMS no questions asked. I like self-taught and I like punk drummers and I don't like professionalism and I want to hear all post Def.Maybe albums to sound like Def.maybe I want the rough and the beats to be off... I don't care about professionalism. Alan White can go eat cake.
Alan White's sound is very mechanical; too "perfect". It's the "imperfections", that groove, that makes Tony McCarroll's sound much more interesting musically.
You cannot compare these two from the evidence presented here. The first clip is a live performance from the drummer, obviously taken recently. Whether he had that same level of competence in 1995/96 when the track was recorded is therefore questionable. The second clip is the drummer playing along at the same time we are hearing the recording, so it is impossible to know what 'studio tricks' may have been used to give the snare drum that deeper sound (for example).
Whitey is always just half a beat behind on the drums, which gives him slightly more time for the fills. According to Marcus Tony was autisticly on the beat but only had 4 beats.
The real difference is Tony played it raw and was original from northern working class stock who was self taught Alan white poncy middle class soft southern Nancy boy who got introductions because of who his brother knows I know where my vote goes
Noel is a shit guitarist compared to Brian May but the sound is right for the band...Its the same with McCarroll.Its why Definitely Maybe is really everyone's favourite Oasis album..if it was played on by session musicians it would never have that raw feel.Oasis weren't loved because of their excellent musicianship..it was the songs,the feel and the chemistry of Oasis that shone brightest.
The only issue with this video is that it's Tony from now, not Tony back then. Tony is also aping Alan White's parts. It would be interesting to hear them each create a drum part for an Oasis song without hearing the other's.
If Tony ever got lessons he would probably play a bit better. A musician should always get a few lessons . Even if they think they think they are perfect.
It’s like chalk and cheese, I love definitely maybe and Tony’s drumming on it. But people who say DM would have been rubbish with White on it are crazy, It would have sounded better with whitey on it. All the other albums would have sounded rubbish with Tony playing, Alan just much more creative.
I like Alun is playing especially on WTSMG but he would’ve been completely wrong but definitely maybe it just wouldn’t have had that punk feel that made it so magical.
@@jackmclinden6809 He does the same groove every song? No he doesn't. Listen to Wonderwall, Don't Look Back In Anger, and Champagne Supernova. Completely different drumming.
And people discredit tony for what he is. Hes almost as good as alan white. Those are really simple drum fills and rolls and i know an 18 year old punk drummer who does better than alan white. IM saying that alan is not any special.
The difference here is huge, I'm afraid. TM was good at the time for the early years, but he wasn't good enough to play the new stuff, hence why Alan was brought in. And TM's haircut didn't help matters either.
Tony was self taught while Alan had lessons. You gotta give him some credit, he did pretty well for someone who didn't have any lessons.
I don’t think the video is about who learnt the drums better
@@dondamon4669 Read the title again and then rethink what you just said
@@ElectronicPuffin its not about how they learn the drums, its about who is the better drummer.
Joey Jordison was self taught, so…..
Alan had talent.
Find the differences.
Tony McCarroll has really had the shit end of the wedge post Oasis. He was crucial to the sound of Definitely Maybe, he played it straight down the line, had good timing despite the propaganda to the contrary and hit hard as nails. If Noel hadn’t rubbished him in the press after he fired him he could’ve gone on to join any band.. instead of which he was labelled as damaged goods which I think is unforgivable. I think Noel is a great songwriter, a hilarious raconteur and a clever man but he did not do the right thing by Tony no question.
Yep, there was simply no need whatsoever for Noel to do that. It was bad enough that Tony was booted out of the band just before they became the biggest band in the world so why relentlessly kick him when he was down for years afterwards... Everything I've ever seen or read suggests that Tony was/is a really decent guy so just plain nasty behaviour on Noels part and for no apparent reason either.
Yes. I mean noel and tony got along as childhood friend, so i don't understand why he had to publicly slammed tony drumming skills. Let your friend get into another band if u not satisfied with his skills, instead of insulting him which probably made a lot of band lost interest to him.
Tony could've gone and joined another band, but he chose not to. Instead he "spent three years getting drunk" after Noel kicked him out. Then he tried suing them, further tarnishing his reputation. Then he tried forming a band in 2000 with his brothers, but gave up after several weeks. Can you really blame Noel at that point? And nothing stopped him from indulging into his *own* solo career, which Liam, Bonehead, Noel, and even Andy Bell have all done.
@@BackToBackJames Tony's reputation already ruined when noel publicly slammed his drumming skills. No way tony can easily join another band when his reputation is ruined.
@@anandante2576 Yes that might be part of it but it was definitely partly Tony's fault as well. Also do you know where Noel publicly slammed him? Genuinely curious I want to see what he said
Unpopular opinion: While Morning Glory with Tony on drums wouldn't have been anywhere near as good, Definitely Maybe with Alan would've been even worse.
Correct
Agreed
Yes Noel simplified the drum beats for them songs for Tony and I kinda like the songs simple they didn’t need to have a over the top drum beat
Definitely Maybe is a raw album, while Morning Glory is more clean and more produced, so yeah both drummers are great in their own business
I’m pretty sure Noel says how he wants the drums .... and what do you mean ‘even worse’?
It is not fair really to compare them. It is a trained professionell musician against a hobby musician who became a pop star.
As a musician of over 40 odd years and growing up through the early years of Oasis and beyond I never once questioned the drummers ability, didn't bat an eye lid to it until seeing these videos.
Same m8 !
Even though White was supposed to be a better drummer, McCarroll's drumming is far more iconic; the intros on Live Forever, Supersonic and Bring It On Down for example.
Alan drumming on Wonderwall, Dont look back in anger or Roll with it are more than iconic.
If tony was still onboard. I think 3rd album be here now wpuldve rocked hard
Just not true mate. Alan White is a much more versatile drummer, he can rock hard, playing an excellent part of the power and be complimentary to softer songs. He's a much better drummer imo
Alan can rock hard when he’s given the material to do it with. It’s all to do with what Noel’s writing at the time. Champagne supernova at Earl’s Court is proof of that, I’ve never seen Tony play any song like that cause he couldn’t. Rock n roll star was good, But then I think Alan plays that better too. Also my generation live Alan rocks hard on that one too.
Tony forever
Tony McCarroll plays on Oasis' best album. Alan White plays on Oasis' second best album. Both men had what it took to deliver the goods and make two classic albums. Nuff said.
It can also he vice versa with oasis best albums, depending on the mood
Best album is Morning Glory by a mile
I have multiple opinions on the whole thing. Tony McCarroll was an excellent, naturally gifted drummer and Definitely Maybe would have sounded way different without him. Watch their Southend gig from ‘95, Tony’s drumming is impeccable, hard, fast, raw, punky. I think in recent times people have grown to appreciate Tony’s contribution to Oasis a lot more, which is nice to see. Secondly, Alan White was a phenomenal drummer, faultless, his fills are incredible and he doesn’t get the recognition he deserves, he was the drummer of the greatest band in the world - at their peak - for a decade, yet he never gets talked about outside of Oasis circles, his name is never mentioned in lists of legendary drummers and he’s almost a forgotten man, it’s quite shameful. He deserves way more accolades.
Oasis were the best band in the world at their peak for 10 years… seriously?? What nonsense.
Mi podio es asi, Alan primero y Tony seguido me gustaban mucho mas que Starkey, es cosa de gustos
Alan White is a better drummer, but he's a professionally trained drummer. If you put all the other members of Oasis next to professional guitarists, bassists etc...we'd probably say the same thing about them.
Spot on...noels guitar playing is nothing to brag about but he does know how to write a tune though.
1995-1999 Liam Gallagher sings the pants of anyone in a ‘professionally trained’ environment.
@@sb6482 the sound that comes out might sound pretty good, but you would notice the difference with a professional singer. You may not like the sound that comes out with the professional singer but they would be a better singer. Noel puts this point perfectly when he says "i'm the better singer but Liam has the better voice".
@@sb6482 his technique is not great. Singing the way he was was unsubstainable
Professional just means you do it for a living. By that definition all of the members were professional musicians at some point
I prefer Tony’s drumming on this - it’s more punk, less tippy-tappy.
I hope Tony is doing okay and still drumming. 👍
You can’t compare the two, Oasis are not a punk band. And DLBIA is definitely not a punk song.
He had a heart attack a few months ago. Swear to god
Spot on
The audio is clearer on the second. They are both good drummers
both very average imo
I don't mind TM on drums, there's something about the simplicity which is great. It's the same thing that made Mo Tucker great
Definitely like Tony better for the Oasis sound. Alan is the 'better' drummer, but Tony is the 'right' drummer.
Tony just played simple beats which past Definitely Maybe, wouldn't have got anywhere. Tony was pushing his luck by getting to 95. Alan is a much more inventive drummer
@@r2dan217 his drumming on Whatever was pretty good and similar to the above
Tony reminds me of drummers like Steven Adler, Phil Rudd, Clive Burr and even Peter Kriss - all replaced in their respective bands by technically better drummers but they had something that made the bands "sound".......
Tony had the venom
Someone else commented that and it blew me away
Tony all the way ...much like Peter Criss w/ KISS and Ringo with the Beatles....... The right drummers for the gig!
Go on Tony!!!! Loves it 😌
Alan was good for the oasis pop era, but Tony was perfect for when they were mean and LOUD and rockin
Agreed, DM with Alan would've been unlistenable
@@flamingcabbage8359 I was just thinking about Supersonic, Cigs & Alcohol and Live Forever on There & Then, and have realized how much I disagree with you :)
Loud and rockin? 🤦♂️🤣 remember WONDERWALL...dude!
@@oscarsamuelespinozalovera7909 Tony didn't play on Wonderwall... dude 🙄
@@dlovas read again dude!
Im just saying, Oasis was More bad-ass with alan at drumms.
It’s not about how good you are technically, it’s about what the music calls for and what you choose to play.
the song definitely has more life to it when tony plays on it...part of that oasis appeal was that there was a rawness, a danger to it...that is completely missing with white...oasis DID NOT sound the same later on...its not about who is better, its about the sound you bring...thats why great musicians dont necessarily become big names...
Tony all the way ...much like Peter Criss w/ KISS and Ringo with the Beatles....... The right drummers for the gig!
Tony is a good drummer, Alan is a great drummer. Doesnt matter if you're self taught or not, if you can play then you can play. Some just play better than others.
I'm glad tony's on some might say, Its a nice chance of pace on the record.
Tony is a good drummer, theres nothing like live forever intro
Personally i think Tony was treated unfairly by Noel.
Everybody is treated unfairly by Noel...Noel thinks he's much better than he actually is, ask The Real People, Cook Da Books, and The La's...Oh, and The Beatles.
Alan was also treated like shit by Noel.
Even Michael was too. Michael as in INXS.
@@johnny6476 McGee or White?
@@happyears21694 Alan White.
It's funny that Tony was, supposedly, kicked out for not being sufficiently virtuosic on the drums. When you consider NOBODY in Oasis was anywhere close to being a virtuoso on their preferred instrument. Plenty of guitarist's that would play circles around Noel and Bonehead, plenty of bassists play circles around guigsy, plenty of singers with better range and technicality than Liam. It's all besides the point, it worked because they were all great within the context of Oasis. Definitely Maybe will always be the definitive Oasis record because those group of people were the magic formula. Anyways, if you dig into the history of the band, it becomes apparent that Tony's firing was probably more to do with the fact that Noel simply didn't like Tony than anything else. By alot of account's from the day he was a solid enough drummer and Paul Gallagher even said he was a good dude as a person.
Apparently Guigsy also didn't get on well with Tony. They once nearly came to blows because Guigsy said that Tony was screwed when Noel put the firing clause in the bands contract. Tony's response was along the lines of 'at least I actually played on the album'.
Tony McCarrol is so underrated. I'm not saying he's Neil Peart but there's a few drum intros that are up there with Rock n Roll by Les Zepplin or Mr Brownstone by GnR in terms of how recognisable they are. With any other drummer, they may never have made it.
But he plays like a high school kid tho.
@@ebaybasuki 😂
With that last point, I completely disagree with yoy
To each there own. To me it sounds like he tried to learn how to play, realized it was never going to happen, and it's his first time back behind a kit in years. There is a reason it took the band longer just to get the drums laid down on Definitely Maybe than it did to record all of WTSMG. I think some people opinions may be a little clouded from the nostalgia of Definitely Maybe, which is completely understandable. That album means so much to many that it's really hard to imagine it any different.
@@kdub7195 I think I was getting at that he’s recognisable. Technically speaking, he’s not great but you know it’s him when you hear it.
Tony is the better drummer by far. You notice the drums on every track on definitely maybe, they have character. You don't notice drums on any AW track as they are just in the background. None of it is memorable. it's just there. that's because Alan white is just a session musician. Session musician can play technically but don't have character. Oasis turned to turd the day they sacked TM facts. DM is the only true masterpiece they made.
i an alan white fan
but definitely maybe needed tony
as much as whats the story needed alan
1 Walshypj well said, totally agree. Tony did a great job and was treat poorly by Noel. However, without Alan to help move the band forward musically they would’ve stagnated, What’s the Story would’ve been a cheap imitation of Definitely Maybe as those songs wouldn’t have come to with life Tony behind the kit (Wonderwall, DLIB, Cast No Shadow and Champagne Supernova in particular wouldn’t have been nearly the songs they were with Alan’s contributions to them). In short, all Oasis fan owe a massive debt of gratitude to both for their contributions, comparing them is meaningless.
@@RobTaylorDrums Bravo, that was well said! 👏
I can't agree more so!
This isn't about who is a better drummer. This is about who has that Oasis sound. That sound isn't polished and came from the mean middle class working streets of Manchester. I believe if they let Tony stick around he could have gotten better with time like all the band did. I'm really happy that Tony is getting his due and the accolades he justly deserves. Still love Oasis.
Exactly that is what rock and roll is all about, working class guys with a dream to make it big, original line up was the best, worked it all up from nothing, don't mess with the magic that made that original sound. 👍
Tony Mc Carroll!
Tony was pure lad punk energy. Alan was all about smoothness and finesse.
Alan white is the best oasis drummer 110%
Alan whites brilliant a technically superior drummer to tony. And wonderwall is what i would say is what sums up Alan white tony could never of played that.. But alan cant play the definitely maybe songs.. He can technically, but hes and none else after him has ever replicated the definitely maybe oasis vibe that only tony had... He belonged in oasis.
People wonder why Oasis lost their way after denitley maybe and whats the story.. They became pop. And alans whites drumming was a huge effect.. Their slow ballad songs where great but their rock n roll oasis RAW vibe was lsot forever.. People wonder why.. Ill tell you why... Tony macaroll is why.
Team tony
To be honest, I can't really hear any big of a difference. If anything Tony is more raw and powerful I'd say.
I respect to Tony with great take off until definitely maybe album, but i like Oasis more when with Alan on drum. The time Oasis become a world's britpop legend
oasis was britpop legend with definately maybe, when wtsmg came out britpop was pretty much on the way out
@@roberttodd2414 I'd disagree with that..."Different Class" hadn't even come out yet. Over the course of '96 is really when it started to warp and then fade away, inspiring Blur to write "Death of a Party"
Tony was the original drummer. Alan was the Oasis drummer. Both were Oasis.
No one give a fk about McCaroll then & hes only brought up now by 18-20 year olds because they felt sorry for him after watching supersonic. Alan White was more oasis than Tony. He was the OG but that doesn’t mean better or more apart of the group. Does anyone really think the OG Nirvana drummer who drummer on their first album bleach is more apart of the group than Dave Grohl?? No, sane applies. Alan will always be apart of the definitive line up.
tony
Whitey is so classy. A blend between Motown and Led Zeppelin.
Considering that both brothers were off there heads most of the time even whilst recording, it's a bit rich to bag Tony.
Shame they ditched him, he definitely gave them that back beat.
The difference is that Alan has wide range of knowledge on the drums while Tony is obviously very limited. But Tony did come up with the Live Forever groove which is arguably the most recognisable Oasis drum pattern, so fair play
I always thought those drums sounded like a drum machine with one simple beat - very unimaginative.
@@patrickmartens404 Really? I certainly wouldn’t call them complex but you recognise Live Forever, supersonic, bring it on down etc. straight away because of the drums, what else is really needed from a band that revolves around song/melody?
@@adambrennan579 Yeah, honestly that's a huge part of the early Oasis sound just in general, but it's exemplified by the drumming. "Supersonic" and it's opening is the perfect example. As a notable music writer once said, the sound "insists upon itself"--it's slow, deliberate, and primal, and demands you set yourself to it rather than the other way around. Just that 'boom-bap, boom-boom-bap, boom-boom-bap, boom-boom-bap', as the guitar scrapes, it's basically tuning you in to the feel of the whole thing, going "here it comes boys--get ready"
Liam should bring Tony back only if just for a couple of numbers on his mega '24 gig schedule with John Squire.
For eg. He made Supersonic super.
Ok, let’s let Steve White take a whack at it.
Both.
Always preferred the band with TM
Both good, but Alan is my favorite by far.
Oasis drummers:
Tony McCarroll
Alan White
Steve White
Zak Starkey
Chris Sharrock.
Not bad at all!
Tonys playing is a bit more gritty. Alan's is a lot smoother and polished. Oasis kinda lost part of there sound when Tony got the boot.
Alan. No question
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Tony is better for me. More imaginative, original and moves more. I also like how he adds lots of fizz with his cymbal work, and he never bloats too much with the snare and kick. I think this suits the wall of guitars in Oasis better. Alan is maybe technically better, but he always locks down and pounds the snare too hard. Oasis always sounded a bit sludgey with him to me. Tony = punk rock. Alan = pub rock
im not a drummer but Tonys version had more feel
I am a drummer, But sorry can’t agree. Alan has tons more feel.
In terms of drumming, it would be Alan, but for the Line up it was Tony McCarroll.
Wtf does that mean?
@@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse I reckon he means Alan’s a better drummer but he’d rather see Tony be in the band, like Bonehead vs Gem. I don’t know why though, Tony’s a bit of a spud if you ask me
@@adambrennan579 ok yea, like Spud-U-Like in the 80’s. Spud-He-Likes now!
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Tony
Tony would have been the best drummer on ALL THEIR ALBUMS no questions asked. I like self-taught and I like punk drummers and I don't like professionalism and I want to hear all post Def.Maybe albums to sound like Def.maybe
I want the rough and the beats to be off... I don't care about professionalism. Alan White can go eat cake.
In other words you prefer rust over gold, or shit over roses. They should study your brain.
Alan White's sound is very mechanical; too "perfect". It's the "imperfections", that groove, that makes Tony McCarroll's sound much more interesting musically.
Tony McCarroll's 'Classical Gas'
You cannot compare these two from the evidence presented here. The first clip is a live performance from the drummer, obviously taken recently. Whether he had that same level of competence in 1995/96 when the track was recorded is therefore questionable. The second clip is the drummer playing along at the same time we are hearing the recording, so it is impossible to know what 'studio tricks' may have been used to give the snare drum that deeper sound (for example).
Tony was far far better for oasis than Alan imo, far more feel and meat and potatoes style which suited them, it all became very dull after he left
They did the sane shit to alan white
Tony was Oasis's Ringo. He was crap...but he was the right kind of crap. They lost something that they never got back when he went.
You also have to remember Alan had all those years of experience drumming with Yes under his belt.
Uh...ya...wrong guy
@@ffedor77 you think 😂
Alan is a superb drummer ! But I would luv to hear his brother Steves version lol , I actually prefer Tony’s version here 😂
Poor Tommy
Whitey is always just half a beat behind on the drums, which gives him slightly more time for the fills. According to Marcus Tony was autisticly on the beat but only had 4 beats.
where is Pete bests version?
Tony, Alan and Zak should do an album together.
How would that work? None of them are singers or songwriters.
@@BackToBackJames Neither is Ed Sheeren, your point? Honestly, bang a few chords together, who cares. :D
@@larryalexander900 Well in that case, I agree with you!
The real difference is
Tony played it raw and was original from northern working class stock who was self taught
Alan white poncy middle class soft southern Nancy boy who got introductions because of who his brother knows
I know where my vote goes
I have no doubts that Morning Glory would have been any less great if Tony was never kicked out
No time for that if you're unable to play the drum beats Noel required.
Pity Noel didn't concentrate more on his own musical limitations
That was good, hes had 25 years to learn it👍
Pete Best vs Ringo Starr
Noel is a shit guitarist compared to Brian May but the sound is right for the band...Its the same with McCarroll.Its why Definitely Maybe is really everyone's favourite Oasis album..if it was played on by session musicians it would never have that raw feel.Oasis weren't loved because of their excellent musicianship..it was the songs,the feel and the chemistry of Oasis that shone brightest.
Anyone who says that Alan was more pop than rock, Obviously never heard him play champagne supernova at Earl’s Court then.
Compare Noel to a proper guitarist, the difference would be stark.
The only issue with this video is that it's Tony from now, not Tony back then. Tony is also aping Alan White's parts. It would be interesting to hear them each create a drum part for an Oasis song without hearing the other's.
Everything after morning glory was 2nd rate
Alan was way better, but he changed a lot of definitely maybe songs too much live. Still the much better drummer, and probably a nicer guy
Alan’s ghost notes are the oasis sound that will live forever.
Alan white it's right man c'mon !!!!
Tony better oasis drummer
por qué todos los bateristas son pelados
wow I like tony better!!
Alan. No doubt.
respect for tony but he couldn't come up with drum on wonderwall
If Tony ever got lessons he would probably play a bit better. A musician should always get a few lessons . Even if they think they think they are perfect.
Really? Yea, now just make a comparison of Noel and Satriani. Ill go take pop corn. See later.
Alan the true Oasis
Alan's more on point but Tony isn't bad
Alan lacks authenticity. He's like a rich kid who paid attention in school to get ahead.
That didn't look anything like Alan White.
tony is loose alan is tight i kinda dig both
Poor old tone
I think Tony was a solid drummer but Alan was the next level up at the time and remains Oasis' best drummer
Mr ALAN WHITE
This isn’t the right Alan White!
It’s like chalk and cheese, I love definitely maybe and Tony’s drumming on it. But people who say DM would have been rubbish with White on it are crazy, It would have sounded better with whitey on it. All the other albums would have sounded rubbish with Tony playing, Alan just much more creative.
He does the same groove every song
Jack Mclinden No he doesn’t.
I like Alun is playing especially on WTSMG but he would’ve been completely wrong but definitely maybe it just wouldn’t have had that punk feel that made it so magical.
@@jackmclinden6809 He does the same groove every song? No he doesn't. Listen to Wonderwall, Don't Look Back In Anger, and Champagne Supernova. Completely different drumming.
First guy has the same beat to all around the world 😂
Well AATW WAS written in '92:
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And people discredit tony for what he is. Hes almost as good as alan white. Those are really simple drum fills and rolls and i know an 18 year old punk drummer who does better than alan white. IM saying that alan is not any special.
My mentor. Alan.
Where the fuck are you men?!
The difference here is huge, I'm afraid. TM was good at the time for the early years, but he wasn't good enough to play the new stuff, hence why Alan was brought in. And TM's haircut didn't help matters either.
The haircut was definitely the main thing🤣he does come across nice but abit soft aswell which I suppose just doesn’t work in a band like that