This was also my favorite part. You can hear his childish grin and it is contagious! I have thrown a bunch of friends into random VR flight sim demos who are all used to flying jets for their day jobs and the reactions are always priceless!
Correct, It's not even in the same dimension. I'm going to add that any type of vibration seat adds so much You can feel the distance on approach to Lz & the movement of the ''chopper''
I found it really hard the first time flying a helicopter on a screen. VR gives a much better situational awareness. For high time pilots flying a none moving sim can be disorienting.
You should add a section where he changes the settings to make them feel the most accurate they can be and then share that with the community so that they are learning with the most realistic environment possible. THAT kind of knowledge is invaluable to people actually thinking of learning to fly so they don't develop bad habits before taking lessons, or even while taking lessons. That will make better pilots in the real world which can only be a good thing.
That wouldn't really be of much use since the control settings you use depends on your own setup. I mean, even if you have the same exact joystick and throttle, his has I believe a 20cm extension which completely changes the stick behaviour compared to the same joystick without the extension. So if you used his curves on your joystick (with no extension), you'd be using the wrong settings.
just saying, I've flown a couple different types of helo's and am a rated pilot. the huey is very realistic. I've noticed that my other pilot buddies are actually pretty awful at the sim, for whatever reason thats beyond me, despite the physics being dead on (in my opinion) they just cannot grasp it, especially when they do not have vr and have limited reference
This was fascinating and so fun to watch! Really cool to hear an expert talk about their experience and then watch them handle the sim like a pro. Thanks Noob!
As a 50 years fan of helicopters, never piloted one myself in real life, execept a gyro, this is an amazing video to watch. Really enjoyed the craftmanship of the pilot and above all your amazing sim setup! Thanks and please more of this.
Hey Noob. Like you, I have probably spent more time in DCS just flying around and enjoying the aviation aspect of the game without the combat. It's great for that, and I enjoy the multiplayer servers that cater to those who want to practice formation flying, carrier ops, and aerobatics, in a multiplayer environment without having to worry about weapons being brought to bear against them. As far as your question about the realism of these games/sims and their fidelity, I am an Airbus A320 Captain, and I use the Toliss A319, and the FF A320 in X-Plane, along with some great hardware that replicates what I use in the real aircraft, to practice engine failures and other procedures that we never do IRL, to maintain proficiency. In days past, we would "chair fly", which means sittnig in a chair and rehearsing those procedures using our imagination. Now, I have what amounts to "chair flying" on steroids, in the form of a functional "sim" right in my house. My, how things have changed since I started flying many years ago! I enjoyed the video, and thanks to Chris and you for putting it together!
I appreciate your feedback, I think you’re gonna like what I’m about to tell you. I am currently working on the second video in this series called real pilot fake plane. I’ve asked a fed ex pilot with 25 years, to come and do the same thing. We’re waiting on some gear from Thrustmaster to make it legit. I think this video series is very good, it’s a lot of fun to make. Thanks very much for your support, it’s appreciated.
This great! Really interesting, even to me who only fly SC. Ive been a passenger in black hawk and Chinook in Afghanistan and it's great to hear s combat pilots perspective. Some of it is relatable to the ground aswell
So grateful to find your channel. I’m a retired AF WO who retired in 2012. Went on to obtain my commercial helicopter licence but haven’t worked as such. This vid was so nice to watch. Hoping to create and build a good sim setup soon. Thank you so much for posting! Would love the chance to one day connect!
Probably my favorite video of yours Noob. Amazing job. I hope you get Chris back and you both get more familiar with DCS and your epic sim hardware. Cheers!
Way over my head stuff technically. However it was awesome to watch! What was truly impressive was how quickly he was adapting to the controll sensitivity after you made some adjustments!
I'd love to be able to learn how to fly using a sim rig like this - amazing work per usual. Definitely need to get Chris back if he is willing. Keep up the good work, keep having fun doing it.
And thanks Chris for spending his time and giving inputs. He has been very kind. It will help tune setups if you can publish the configurations at a certain time when it is complete.
I'm one of those "more serious, push all the buttons" guys you referenced, building out the basics of the pits for my preferred air frames in DCS, and even in some missions I'm still doing exactly what your talking about, flying under bridges in the huey, or approaching a target at mach 1.2 flying under 50 feet in the f16
Excellent.. Great idea to interview a real chopper pilot about our Sim... All this interview is very useful.. That's allow me to know DCS is probably the only one best Sim ever built... No one brings us so much details about everyth.. I'm chopper pilot since 12 years.. Flying only choppers in Arma and DCS... And I couldnt stop saying all my greetings about all those studios who bring us such military flight Sim ❤
I studied with the online sim group hovercontrol and had real world pilots showing me stuff alongside arm chair pilots.... I scoured their brains for detail as I am a man with Cerebral Palsy who has riden in aircraft but likely would not be allowed an intro flight in a helicopter... all that is to say Thanks Very Much for the extra time and effort that went into this one I ate it up like Lindor chocolate also check into Dodosim flight models they have done specific work on Hover and Autorotation realism ( Dodo sim is at the core of the hovercontrol organization you might find something you like there, you might not but, poke around see what you think.
My brother-in-law is a pilot, and he said that in training, if you are precise and aggressive, you go fighter. If you are smooth and calm , you go transport. But if you kind of mad, you go chopper. On that note, I am wonder if stick extension will help in getting more precise control for helicopters?
Wonderful those peripheral controls!! As a Huey II helicopter pilot, I can say that the pilot put in a great effort and a great job, since he had not flown DCS; However, the "feel of the aircraft" in real life changes a lot, I also see that the inputs in the controls are very sensitive (not because of the pilot but perhaps because of the configuration of the peripherals), that results in overcontrol of the aircraft and that result in excessive manoeuvres. I love DCS but it takes some getting used to as it's not easy at all and it takes some practice to get the hang of it.
Fantastic video. Definitely enjoyed this one. Love hearing all the stories from both of you. Thanks Chris! Sneaky you got the Virpil base with dry clutch there! Hopefully close to release and a run through video. Can’t wait to add another Virpil base setup to my rig dedicated to chopper sim 👍
Nice video. I was very pleased(?) to note that Chris didn't do much better than me at first! Mind you, he quickly got the hang of the quirks of the sim - something I still struggle with 🙂
Interesting point of view. What I like most is the fact that at the end of the cession your friend seemed to have so much fun that he wasn't really listening to you ^^. Proof of a good sim / gear for me.* Thks fort sharing Noob.
For sure, once the business of testing was finished, I love the fact that he started testing and taking bigger risks. That’s the fun, die 1000 times in sim playing and laughing.
Have you considered adding head tracking your setup? It might be a little awkward with 3 monitors, but it be a convenient way to pan the view around and overcome some the issues noted being able to look down.
Yes, that is possible however, in DCS the real answer is VR which I have ready to go. Wanted to visit with Chris and talk for at least one video before putting the HMD on him. Will refine the setup and invite him over again to see how it helps. Thanks for the suggestion and feedback, and for watching.
Your toy budget is definitely larger than mine! But it’s fun to watch. And, in light of your intro to this video, I did want to take a moment to thank you for taking the time out of your life, and to take on who-knows-how-much personal risk, to serve and protect our country and ideals.
Very, very cool video. I love this setup. If I had any critique, it would be that the screens don't move with the motion, so there's a bit of a visual disconnect compared to what you're feeling. These are big screens though so I imagine integrating them would be a challenge and probably a risk to the screens themselves when you crash or set the chopper down hard. Otherwise this is super cool. TrackIR would probably help a bit if you didn't want to take the VR route if it makes you feel sick.
The overall motion is slight, As an occupant, its really not as bad as when you are looking at it move as a spectator. I agree, but its a minor offset. VR is going to happen next. I have tested it and its Fantastic. No Issues.
Im pretty sure the "pitchy-ness" he was referring to was the camera angle being so high and pointed down towards the front of the nose. If the camera was more parallel to the ground- Im willing to bet the sensation of being "too Pitch Forward" would be diminished. I had the same issue in MSFS flying fixed wing.
Awesome session. Learned a lot from him. As a fixed wing private pilot and long time flight simmer, I value the perspective of other pilots a lot more than that of just "gamers". I agree, VR makes a world of difference, especially with helicopters. My hovering (as well as my AAR and formation flying in fixed-wing), improved dramatically when I started using VR (Rift CV1) a few years ago! My current HMD is the Varjo Aero and the clarity in it is incredible! BTW, I just ordered a MPS-1 Blackbird for my NLR V3 seat mover, using your discount code. Now the long wait begins for it to ship, as well as my Virpil collective, CM3 and grip. I fly more fixed wing in DCS, but do enjoy the Huey and recently the Apache, which is why I decided to finally invest in a collective. Can't wait to fly the Kiowa and Chinook when they arrive!
Truly the combination of your setup and the experience of the pilot makes this maybe the best video I've seen for home pit-builders. Well done and thanks for doing it! Suggestion - lower the virtual seating (simulated seating) position / rotate the virtual seating up a little? I think that's why he felt it was too nose-down? Then you could increase the vertical field of view a little if needed so he still has his ground reference points.
I will adjust the seated position and of course, when VR is used in the future, that will likely fix all of these complications instantly. Thank you for the feedback and support.
Love your Helo stories. Mine are less amazing, but my Lt. in Korea, his GF was a UH-60 pilot...on 3 occasions we went on whole-country bar crawls with a pilot. The only problem was? She LOOOOVED to try and get us to puke, and the crew chief promised dire consequences if anyone puked. SO the longer the night went, the more drunk we got, and she would NEVER let up! It was still the best bar crawl ever.
I can’t stress how much easier flying helis is on VR. I went from not knowing how to hover at all in the mi8 on flat screen to landing and hovering on btrs in VR
Was the 'nose low' hover issue due to his eyes being above the mid-line of the monitor (and the eyes of the in game pilot) so the angle is displayed as if his head was lower
Oh that was awesome! Thank you SOOO much for the timestamps! I was really interested in the interview, but I was a little time limited when watching. Edit: If you are going to have Chris over more, how about making this a playlist to make the videos easier to find?
If I had a real pilot over to assess my sim rig. I would really want them to get the controls, ergonomics, stick forces as 1:1 with their experience as possible. I'm sure they would need quite some time to get comfortable in sim before being sure of it. Since we don't have this luxury I would like to know if there is a baseline adjustment that most setups are off. Maybe at defaults they are all over sensitive etc. Kinda like recommended adjustments most simmers can make.
I did take this time to check this. I didn’t include that in this video because it bloated the runtime to over two hours. I got some feedback from Chris on how the Cyclic would have no cam and no spring. Just Drag Clutch. Same with pedals, no cam no spring, just friction. Overall, he had said the position and location and behaviours were 1:1. Thank you for your comments and feedback.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ah yes. I recall the guy in charge of Virpil saying he thought Force Feedback was the future of high end sticks but that was years ago. At least they have a clutched base comming out.
Long question but please bear with me, I've had 5 strokes in as many years and have difficulty getting to the point. I got the chance to fly a B206 as an Air Cadet in 1985 - flight sims (DCS, MSFS, X-Plane) are my hobby BUT I want my experience when flying the likes of a B206, B407, B412, MD500, UH-1 to be as real as possible and that means getting a proper cyclic/collective setup along the lines of the Puma. But I just can't afford such luxuries so I have to make do with my existing X52 Pro HOTAS with the "cyclic" between my legs on the box of my Quest 2 and "any old box" to my left for the X52 throttle as my collective. I'm looking at getting the VIRPIL "VPC Desk Mount V4" (small or large) and combine it with their "VPC Mouse Mount Adapter V2" as a solution with the aim that at I can at least put my X52 stick on a "shelf" such that it is between my legs, rather than on the Q2 box between my legs or another box so that it is next to my right hip. I see from this video that the grip of your cyclic is actually quite higher than I can recall from my one experience flying the B206 in the '80s - I have mine such that the top of the grip is about level with my "belly button" (LOL!). Is that an accurate setup you have as I don't want to get a "solution" from VIRPIL that will place my "cyclic" too low down? It's been many many years since I flew that B206 and most of my brain cells have been deleted by the 5 strokes. Any advice (or a donation of superfluous free gear for that matter!) will be most gratefully appreciated. Best regards, and please take this request seriously, I'm 53 and not a "would-be" kid, I devoted most my life since 1987 writing the software of the HUDs for C-17, F-5, F-16 and Eurofighter, TRN for GR4 in Gulf War I and the fly-by-wire for B777. Guy
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I've found this video extremely helpful - with only using my archaic and unrealistic controls I've always thought my ability to control the UH-1 in DCS was much less than to be desired. But I can see that I am not actually that far away from having a good "feel" for the UH-1 without haptic feedback s you have with that fantastic 6DOF motion platform. I use the Quest 2 but I am let down by the GPU in my PC, I am using the RTX3060 which, when used in VR, is less than perfect, but better than my old GTX980. I have a long journey to go in terms of hardware but thanks to this video I at least have something to aim for - that's assuming I don't have a 6th stroke!!!
Stumbled on this video looking for reviews on the virpil ah64d collective. Great video! Your comment towards the end regarding 'getting proficient with all the buttons, doing missions, etc' I found relatable.... Like seriously. I have been an aircraft geek for years. I am pretty sure I have played every flight sim ever produced at some point or another yet, it's just 'getting in there and flying' is really what I find most enjoyable. I have had DCS since... forever. I have never really done much with the mission editor, I have never played multiplayer, etc... lol One of these days, I'll figure all that stuff out but, for now (and probably forever) I just dig the flight.
This was really cool. I feel like half the problem he had with the angle was because of the camera view. If it had been a directly-forward view it may have been easier to judge the horizon and move.
Just stumbled onto this video and it was amazing. Always good to hear from experienced people and to see their take on the Sims we play. Also, being Canadian it was awesome to hear it from a Canadian as you don't get that very often.
When you get your VR configured, I'll buy your displays from you. You'll never want to use them again lol. Well, maybe keep them until SC gets VR... LOL. I'm a pilot in real life and I'd agree with your friend that simulators - even with VR and motion - are great procedure trainers and will save you time and money in real training, but they do teach you bad habits, that you'd have to train out afterwards. We use multi million dollar simulators where I work, and they are great, but the motion lacks in certain scenarios and can cause disorientation that you wouldn't get in the real aircraft. The motion (even multi million dollar 6DOF) also can't simulate acceleration/G loading accurately, which is where you get your seat-of-the-pants feel. All that said, home sims are amazing and I'm a DCS addict. Hopefully see you online some day.
I got a little pitch pulling time under my belt and I can without a doubt tell you that hovering in that helicopter on DCS is much harder than it is in an actual helicopter.
It is a user created module. It’s not really that finished. I will probably do AH64 with him in the near future to test more acrobatic flight. Honestly, I feel any opportunity I have to invite and test something new, I will
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I thought you were talking about the user module, it’s great, did you mean when you said it came with new maps and that it cost 70 bucks the ah64?
I wonder what your millisecond response rate is on those monitors and if they're providing such a slow time that would explain why he gets so pitchy while trying to hover, correcting what he's seeing on screen but maybe a 60 millisecond response time he's seeing it too slow.
Lifting a crashed BO105 with the CH47 was like a Bell 212 lifting nothing.A good trick to master night vision goggles is to drive a vehicle with them on, you save many hours of flying, and before driving, walk with them carefully as they are very expensive.To date, I believe that there is no full motion helicopter simulator with which you can learn to maintain hover. Take a look Bölkow Bo 102 heli trainer. To avoid bad influences from the simulator to reality, something that I see that can be counterproductive is the use of throttle controls like those on airplanes, since they really work the opposite of the throttle control of a helicopter.
Great video. I'd love to have a rig like that as well. Very interesting guest too! I got the privilege of a ride in Slingsby out of Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, Canada back in 1999. My pilot was retired air force with the nickname "Speedy". I'll never forget it. I've since had the chance to fly in just about everything from C130 Hercules, gliders, Bell 206, a Bell 212, and have worked with some amazing pilots and aircraft. Your guest likely knows and or flies with some talented service members I know on the east coast as well. Good luck to them, and you as you continue to build your rig and skills.
It is possible he knows who you are talking about, the world is so small and especially small in our military community. Thank you and I am sure Chris will get into the comments and likely read this.
I'll even save this video as kind of tutorial what and how u may to do with engine failure... thanks a lot... can't find the next one video (with VR).. is it realesed yet
I also think you should try without the motion on the sim. I know I can’t afford it or have the space. So it would be nice to know what it is like without motion adding to the sensation. Kinda like a baseline.
The pilot does mention flying without motion in a simulator. Basically with the quality of modern graphics technology today, it is not as essential as it once was. I don't know how to copy a time stamp, but its about 29 minutes in.
Such a great video, learned so much. More of this please!
I loved the pure joy when he went under the bridge. It's really great to see a real pilot enjoying DCS like that!
Yeah, that was the highlight of everything. I knew he was really having fun, but it came out then.
This was also my favorite part. You can hear his childish grin and it is contagious! I have thrown a bunch of friends into random VR flight sim demos who are all used to flying jets for their day jobs and the reactions are always priceless!
BRING HIM BACK!!! I want to see his reaction to VR, totally game change for hover and landing
Hovering in DCS is easier with VR than a flat screen.
Correct, It's not even in the same dimension.
I'm going to add that any type of vibration seat adds so much
You can feel the distance on approach to Lz & the movement of the ''chopper''
@@obic123 Which chopper should i use in DCS with VR? Currently, I have the Huey and the Hind. Let me know which one I need to get, thanks!
@@dabneyoffermein595 apache or blackhawk
I found it really hard the first time flying a helicopter on a screen. VR gives a much better situational awareness. For high time pilots flying a none moving sim can be disorienting.
You should add a section where he changes the settings to make them feel the most accurate they can be and then share that with the community so that they are learning with the most realistic environment possible. THAT kind of knowledge is invaluable to people actually thinking of learning to fly so they don't develop bad habits before taking lessons, or even while taking lessons. That will make better pilots in the real world which can only be a good thing.
He has never flown a UH1
That wouldn't really be of much use since the control settings you use depends on your own setup.
I mean, even if you have the same exact joystick and throttle, his has I believe a 20cm extension which completely changes the stick behaviour compared to the same joystick without the extension.
So if you used his curves on your joystick (with no extension), you'd be using the wrong settings.
just saying, I've flown a couple different types of helo's and am a rated pilot. the huey is very realistic. I've noticed that my other pilot buddies are actually pretty awful at the sim, for whatever reason thats beyond me, despite the physics being dead on (in my opinion) they just cannot grasp it, especially when they do not have vr and have limited reference
This was just amazing, what a pleasure to hear and learn from! Thank you to Chris for his time and imput.
This was fascinating and so fun to watch! Really cool to hear an expert talk about their experience and then watch them handle the sim like a pro. Thanks Noob!
Thanks so much for watching I’m happy you liked it
As a 50 years fan of helicopters, never piloted one myself in real life, execept a gyro, this is an amazing video to watch. Really enjoyed the craftmanship of the pilot and above all your amazing sim setup! Thanks and please more of this.
I have a second one called “real pilot fake plane” if you like
Hey Noob. Like you, I have probably spent more time in DCS just flying around and enjoying the aviation aspect of the game without the combat. It's great for that, and I enjoy the multiplayer servers that cater to those who want to practice formation flying, carrier ops, and aerobatics, in a multiplayer environment without having to worry about weapons being brought to bear against them.
As far as your question about the realism of these games/sims and their fidelity, I am an Airbus A320 Captain, and I use the Toliss A319, and the FF A320 in X-Plane, along with some great hardware that replicates what I use in the real aircraft, to practice engine failures and other procedures that we never do IRL, to maintain proficiency. In days past, we would "chair fly", which means sittnig in a chair and rehearsing those procedures using our imagination. Now, I have what amounts to "chair flying" on steroids, in the form of a functional "sim" right in my house. My, how things have changed since I started flying many years ago!
I enjoyed the video, and thanks to Chris and you for putting it together!
I appreciate your feedback, I think you’re gonna like what I’m about to tell you. I am currently working on the second video in this series called real pilot fake plane. I’ve asked a fed ex pilot with 25 years, to come and do the same thing. We’re waiting on some gear from Thrustmaster to make it legit. I think this video series is very good, it’s a lot of fun to make. Thanks very much for your support, it’s appreciated.
Man this is great, I love seeing this, in VR it'll be such a joy to watch it's better to fly helos in than flatscreen!
Yeah VR is huge jump for dcs, its very taxing though on long sessions. The mi-8 is a pretty fun one to fly. Great job on the video.
This great! Really interesting, even to me who only fly SC. Ive been a passenger in black hawk and Chinook in Afghanistan and it's great to hear s combat pilots perspective. Some of it is relatable to the ground aswell
Awesome seeing a pro interact with the sim
This is awesome stuff. Congrats!
So grateful to find your channel. I’m a retired AF WO who retired in 2012. Went on to obtain my commercial helicopter licence but haven’t worked as such. This vid was so nice to watch. Hoping to create and build a good sim setup soon. Thank you so much for posting! Would love the chance to one day connect!
Please also look for “ real pilot fake plane “ I appreciate your feedback.
@ loved that video! Some great feedback from a great Canadian pilot!
Gentlemen, thank you for your service. Also, thanks for the information on flying different aircraft.
Probably my favorite video of yours Noob. Amazing job. I hope you get Chris back and you both get more familiar with DCS and your epic sim hardware. Cheers!
Fantastic video, extremely insightful. Thank you both for putting this together!
Appreciated
Really impressed at the level of realism that your setup can provide in your house. Watched every minute.
Thanks for the support and taking the time to post.
Way over my head stuff technically. However it was awesome to watch!
What was truly impressive was how quickly he was adapting to the controll sensitivity after you made some adjustments!
I'd love to be able to learn how to fly using a sim rig like this - amazing work per usual. Definitely need to get Chris back if he is willing. Keep up the good work, keep having fun doing it.
I have every intent of inviting him back as often as he likes, to test as many challenges as he is willing to try.
This is fantastic. Thanks so much to you and Chris for putting it together.
And thanks Chris for spending his time and giving inputs. He has been very kind. It will help tune setups if you can publish the configurations at a certain time when it is complete.
I'm one of those "more serious, push all the buttons" guys you referenced, building out the basics of the pits for my preferred air frames in DCS, and even in some missions I'm still doing exactly what your talking about, flying under bridges in the huey, or approaching a target at mach 1.2 flying under 50 feet in the f16
Excellent.. Great idea to interview a real chopper pilot about our Sim... All this interview is very useful.. That's allow me to know DCS is probably the only one best Sim ever built... No one brings us so much details about everyth.. I'm chopper pilot since 12 years.. Flying only choppers in Arma and DCS... And I couldnt stop saying all my greetings about all those studios who bring us such military flight Sim ❤
I really enjoyed this. I'm a retired U.S. Army Infantryman.
I wonder which UH-60 for 70 bucks you was referring to?
I studied with the online sim group hovercontrol and had real world pilots showing me stuff alongside arm chair pilots.... I scoured their brains for detail as I am a man with Cerebral Palsy who has riden in aircraft but likely would not be allowed an intro flight in a helicopter... all that is to say Thanks Very Much for the extra time and effort that went into this one I ate it up like Lindor chocolate also check into Dodosim flight models they have done specific work on Hover and Autorotation realism ( Dodo sim is at the core of the hovercontrol organization you might find something you like there, you might not but, poke around see what you think.
WE NEED MORE CHRIS!!!! VR is a must
Great video! Noob, the first thing i did in DCS when i got hornet was fly underneath a bridge!
My brother-in-law is a pilot, and he said that in training, if you are precise and aggressive, you go fighter. If you are smooth and calm , you go transport. But if you kind of mad, you go chopper.
On that note, I am wonder if stick extension will help in getting more precise control for helicopters?
Wonderful those peripheral controls!! As a Huey II helicopter pilot, I can say that the pilot put in a great effort and a great job, since he had not flown DCS; However, the "feel of the aircraft" in real life changes a lot, I also see that the inputs in the controls are very sensitive (not because of the pilot but perhaps because of the configuration of the peripherals), that results in overcontrol of the aircraft and that result in excessive manoeuvres. I love DCS but it takes some getting used to as it's not easy at all and it takes some practice to get the hang of it.
Fantastic video. Definitely enjoyed this one. Love hearing all the stories from both of you. Thanks Chris! Sneaky you got the Virpil base with dry clutch there! Hopefully close to release and a run through video. Can’t wait to add another Virpil base setup to my rig dedicated to chopper sim 👍
Yes, vide review is going to happen as soon as they release, as you can see… valuable testing with a pro.
Nice video. I was very pleased(?) to note that Chris didn't do much better than me at first! Mind you, he quickly got the hang of the quirks of the sim - something I still struggle with 🙂
Interesting point of view. What I like most is the fact that at the end of the cession your friend seemed to have so much fun that he wasn't really listening to you ^^.
Proof of a good sim / gear for me.*
Thks fort sharing Noob.
For sure, once the business of testing was finished, I love the fact that he started testing and taking bigger risks. That’s the fun, die 1000 times in sim playing and laughing.
Have you considered adding head tracking your setup? It might be a little awkward with 3 monitors, but it be a convenient way to pan the view around and overcome some the issues noted being able to look down.
Yes, that is possible however, in DCS the real answer is VR which I have ready to go. Wanted to visit with Chris and talk for at least one video before putting the HMD on him. Will refine the setup and invite him over again to see how it helps. Thanks for the suggestion and feedback, and for watching.
OMG it's beautiful. This has to be pretty close to real.
You really need to get a VR headset and a seat shaker. Takes it to an entire different level!
Lol.. seat shaker? Why. The entire platform has haptics
"the game itself is only $60"
Wtf bro... its completely free xD
Not if you need to buy an aircraft.
Your toy budget is definitely larger than mine! But it’s fun to watch. And, in light of your intro to this video, I did want to take a moment to thank you for taking the time out of your life, and to take on who-knows-how-much personal risk, to serve and protect our country and ideals.
Thanks for watching. Of course, with service comes risk and I had a very satisfying life in the Army. Lots of friends and experiences.
DCS is addictive, only got TrackIR and never tried it in VR or on a moving rig like this. Must be a blast to get that extra feedback.
Even though the UH-1 sim model is pretty bad, this demonstrates pretty well how difficult operating a vehicle with consumer sim gear is.
this was absolutely amazing!😍very informative, and the feedback from the pilot was so cool in comparison. what a treat! ❤
Chris is awesome.. please search for “ Real pilot Fake Plane” on this channel
Very, very cool video. I love this setup. If I had any critique, it would be that the screens don't move with the motion, so there's a bit of a visual disconnect compared to what you're feeling. These are big screens though so I imagine integrating them would be a challenge and probably a risk to the screens themselves when you crash or set the chopper down hard. Otherwise this is super cool. TrackIR would probably help a bit if you didn't want to take the VR route if it makes you feel sick.
The overall motion is slight, As an occupant, its really not as bad as when you are looking at it move as a spectator. I agree, but its a minor offset. VR is going to happen next. I have tested it and its Fantastic. No Issues.
I LOVED THIS!!!! chris is an AMAZING pilot i can't wait to see more of him flying
Great watch, thanks for making this!
Thanks you for watching.
Im pretty sure the "pitchy-ness" he was referring to was the camera angle being so high and pointed down towards the front of the nose. If the camera was more parallel to the ground- Im willing to bet the sensation of being "too Pitch Forward" would be diminished.
I had the same issue in MSFS flying fixed wing.
Awesome session. Learned a lot from him. As a fixed wing private pilot and long time flight simmer, I value the perspective of other pilots a lot more than that of just "gamers". I agree, VR makes a world of difference, especially with helicopters. My hovering (as well as my AAR and formation flying in fixed-wing), improved dramatically when I started using VR (Rift CV1) a few years ago! My current HMD is the Varjo Aero and the clarity in it is incredible! BTW, I just ordered a MPS-1 Blackbird for my NLR V3 seat mover, using your discount code. Now the long wait begins for it to ship, as well as my Virpil collective, CM3 and grip. I fly more fixed wing in DCS, but do enjoy the Huey and recently the Apache, which is why I decided to finally invest in a collective. Can't wait to fly the Kiowa and Chinook when they arrive!
Thanks to you both for sharing this insight , spatial awareness on a different level and truly amazing skills
This was such a great video
thanks really enjoyed that love listening to the real professionals
Truly the combination of your setup and the experience of the pilot makes this maybe the best video I've seen for home pit-builders. Well done and thanks for doing it!
Suggestion - lower the virtual seating (simulated seating) position / rotate the virtual seating up a little? I think that's why he felt it was too nose-down? Then you could increase the vertical field of view a little if needed so he still has his ground reference points.
I will adjust the seated position and of course, when VR is used in the future, that will likely fix all of these complications instantly. Thank you for the feedback and support.
That was an AWESOME video man. I can't wait to see the VR one.
Soon, or you can come test it for yourself. Search for “ real pilot fake plane”
Love your Helo stories. Mine are less amazing, but my Lt. in Korea, his GF was a UH-60 pilot...on 3 occasions we went on whole-country bar crawls with a pilot. The only problem was? She LOOOOVED to try and get us to puke, and the crew chief promised dire consequences if anyone puked. SO the longer the night went, the more drunk we got, and she would NEVER let up! It was still the best bar crawl ever.
This was such a pure joy to watch,from start to finish.Cant wait for more.👍
Very cool to see, I look forward to more videos like this!!!
I can’t stress how much easier flying helis is on VR. I went from not knowing how to hover at all in the mi8 on flat screen to landing and hovering on btrs in VR
(In the Huey ofc the mi8 is way too big)
The Huey shakes like that when you go thru ETL
Love this! a real JOY too watch! smashed it bud!
Was the 'nose low' hover issue due to his eyes being above the mid-line of the monitor (and the eyes of the in game pilot) so the angle is displayed as if his head was lower
Oh that was awesome! Thank you SOOO much for the timestamps! I was really interested in the interview, but I was a little time limited when watching.
Edit: If you are going to have Chris over more, how about making this a playlist to make the videos easier to find?
so sick, more please. Thankyou
McIntosh sound system ? You're going all out with that sim setup, it seems. =)
If I had a real pilot over to assess my sim rig. I would really want them to get the controls, ergonomics, stick forces as 1:1 with their experience as possible. I'm sure they would need quite some time to get comfortable in sim before being sure of it. Since we don't have this luxury I would like to know if there is a baseline adjustment that most setups are off. Maybe at defaults they are all over sensitive etc. Kinda like recommended adjustments most simmers can make.
I did take this time to check this. I didn’t include that in this video because it bloated the runtime to over two hours. I got some feedback from Chris on how the Cyclic would have no cam and no spring. Just Drag Clutch. Same with pedals, no cam no spring, just friction. Overall, he had said the position and location and behaviours were 1:1. Thank you for your comments and feedback.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ah yes. I recall the guy in charge of Virpil saying he thought Force Feedback was the future of high end sticks but that was years ago. At least they have a clutched base comming out.
@@DriftaholiC They are truly great
Awesome video! Great job.
Thanks for this, was a great watch. Informative and fun!
Long question but please bear with me, I've had 5 strokes in as many years and have difficulty getting to the point.
I got the chance to fly a B206 as an Air Cadet in 1985 - flight sims (DCS, MSFS, X-Plane) are my hobby BUT I want my experience when flying the likes of a B206, B407, B412, MD500, UH-1 to be as real as possible and that means getting a proper cyclic/collective setup along the lines of the Puma. But I just can't afford such luxuries so I have to make do with my existing X52 Pro HOTAS with the "cyclic" between my legs on the box of my Quest 2 and "any old box" to my left for the X52 throttle as my collective.
I'm looking at getting the VIRPIL "VPC Desk Mount V4" (small or large) and combine it with their "VPC Mouse Mount Adapter V2" as a solution with the aim that at I can at least put my X52 stick on a "shelf" such that it is between my legs, rather than on the Q2 box between my legs or another box so that it is next to my right hip.
I see from this video that the grip of your cyclic is actually quite higher than I can recall from my one experience flying the B206 in the '80s - I have mine such that the top of the grip is about level with my "belly button" (LOL!).
Is that an accurate setup you have as I don't want to get a "solution" from VIRPIL that will place my "cyclic" too low down? It's been many many years since I flew that B206 and most of my brain cells have been deleted by the 5 strokes.
Any advice (or a donation of superfluous free gear for that matter!) will be most gratefully appreciated.
Best regards, and please take this request seriously, I'm 53 and not a "would-be" kid, I devoted most my life since 1987 writing the software of the HUDs for C-17, F-5, F-16 and Eurofighter, TRN for GR4 in Gulf War I and the fly-by-wire for B777.
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You can just put the shorter cam in it. It was high because he was flying a UH1
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thanks for that rapid response. I'll go for the "S" version then, once I can get the funds. Cheers again.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I've found this video extremely helpful - with only using my archaic and unrealistic controls I've always thought my ability to control the UH-1 in DCS was much less than to be desired. But I can see that I am not actually that far away from having a good "feel" for the UH-1 without haptic feedback s you have with that fantastic 6DOF motion platform. I use the Quest 2 but I am let down by the GPU in my PC, I am using the RTX3060 which, when used in VR, is less than perfect, but better than my old GTX980. I have a long journey to go in terms of hardware but thanks to this video I at least have something to aim for - that's assuming I don't have a 6th stroke!!!
Stumbled on this video looking for reviews on the virpil ah64d collective. Great video! Your comment towards the end regarding 'getting proficient with all the buttons, doing missions, etc' I found relatable.... Like seriously. I have been an aircraft geek for years. I am pretty sure I have played every flight sim ever produced at some point or another yet, it's just 'getting in there and flying' is really what I find most enjoyable. I have had DCS since... forever. I have never really done much with the mission editor, I have never played multiplayer, etc... lol One of these days, I'll figure all that stuff out but, for now (and probably forever) I just dig the flight.
Thank you.. search for “ real pilot fake plane” a second one
Fellow Armor Crewman! USArmy 19K/19E here
That was fun to watch) Thanks guys. I am not into fly sims but still watched full video.
how are you going to procedurally train out the certainty of impending death from autorotation :)
This was really cool. I feel like half the problem he had with the angle was because of the camera view. If it had been a directly-forward view it may have been easier to judge the horizon and move.
He spent time in VR and all that went away
This video was absolutely amazing! Definitely learned some stuff. Super fun! WEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOO
can you do a similar interview for the blackhawk/seahawk/jayhawk/pavehawk please?
Wow, loved it! Really interesting and entertaining. Great work
Just stumbled onto this video and it was amazing. Always good to hear from experienced people and to see their take on the Sims we play. Also, being Canadian it was awesome to hear it from a Canadian as you don't get that very often.
There are two more like this planned with other pilots
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I will be on the look out for them for sure
Amazing video from both you and Chris 😅
When you get your VR configured, I'll buy your displays from you. You'll never want to use them again lol. Well, maybe keep them until SC gets VR... LOL.
I'm a pilot in real life and I'd agree with your friend that simulators - even with VR and motion - are great procedure trainers and will save you time and money in real training, but they do teach you bad habits, that you'd have to train out afterwards. We use multi million dollar simulators where I work, and they are great, but the motion lacks in certain scenarios and can cause disorientation that you wouldn't get in the real aircraft. The motion (even multi million dollar 6DOF) also can't simulate acceleration/G loading accurately, which is where you get your seat-of-the-pants feel.
All that said, home sims are amazing and I'm a DCS addict. Hopefully see you online some day.
"As long as I have been in the military, Chris has been in the Air Force" say it ten times!?
Amazing video with an amazing pilot.
I got a little pitch pulling time under my belt and I can without a doubt tell you that hovering in that helicopter on DCS is much harder than it is in an actual helicopter.
This was a lot of fun to watch.
Fun Video Noobifier. was really interested in his view's of the sim rig and the game, looking forward to more of these.👍👍
Appreciate the support, thanks. I want to have him over again
That just looks so much fun!!
This is like living a Dream in real:).
Very nice video, I enjoyed it. Thank you guys
Awesome video! Earned my sub with this one. Did you ever figure out the setting for the rudder pedals not rotating the heli?
Under very fast flight, the tail rotor become weak. We were able to fly sideways at slower speeds
great video!!! what was the 70 bucks uh60 module you were talking about?
It is a user created module. It’s not really that finished. I will probably do AH64 with him in the near future to test more acrobatic flight. Honestly, I feel any opportunity I have to invite and test something new, I will
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I thought you were talking about the user module, it’s great, did you mean when you said it came with new maps and that it cost 70 bucks the ah64?
@@Swatmat yes, I was confused.
I wonder what your millisecond response rate is on those monitors and if they're providing such a slow time that would explain why he gets so pitchy while trying to hover, correcting what he's seeing on screen but maybe a 60 millisecond response time he's seeing it too slow.
They are 2ms, 120hz.
That was great! Looking forward to seeing more.
Thanks for the support
Lifting a crashed BO105 with the CH47 was like a Bell 212 lifting nothing.A good trick to master night vision goggles is to drive a vehicle with them on, you save many hours of flying, and before driving, walk with them carefully as they are very expensive.To date, I believe that there is no full motion helicopter simulator with which you can learn to maintain hover. Take a look Bölkow Bo 102 heli trainer. To avoid bad influences from the simulator to reality, something that I see that can be counterproductive is the use of throttle controls like those on airplanes, since they really work the opposite of the throttle control of a helicopter.
If he had Track IR he'd have a better horizon to work with.
Man I downloaded the Apache 10 day trial, without rudder pedals it's a complete nightmare.
Should get him to fly SC ship towards the end hahaha
I think I see a prototype clutch style base there!
It works very well specifically for Helicopter, Review Incoming.
Can we ask what was the curve setting you and him had it at on the controls ?
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A lot of his issue could have been alleviated if he'd used the force trim on the cyclic. It helps a lot when flying the Huey.
UH-60L is a free mod, not a $70 module. The maps are payware for DCS.
Great video. I'd love to have a rig like that as well. Very interesting guest too! I got the privilege of a ride in Slingsby out of Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, Canada back in 1999. My pilot was retired air force with the nickname "Speedy". I'll never forget it. I've since had the chance to fly in just about everything from C130 Hercules, gliders, Bell 206, a Bell 212, and have worked with some amazing pilots and aircraft. Your guest likely knows and or flies with some talented service members I know on the east coast as well. Good luck to them, and you as you continue to build your rig and skills.
It is possible he knows who you are talking about, the world is so small and especially small in our military community. Thank you and I am sure Chris will get into the comments and likely read this.
I'll even save this video as kind of tutorial what and how u may to do with engine failure... thanks a lot...
can't find the next one video (with VR).. is it realesed yet
There is real pilot fake plane that is released
Hope Chris comes back! That was excellent!
Listening to this while doing homework, and it’s absolutely awesome! Great vid
Thanks for the feedback. Chris is super.
I also think you should try without the motion on the sim. I know I can’t afford it or have the space. So it would be nice to know what it is like without motion adding to the sensation. Kinda like a baseline.
It would be quite simple to disable the motion for a future video.
The pilot does mention flying without motion in a simulator. Basically with the quality of modern graphics technology today, it is not as essential as it once was. I don't know how to copy a time stamp, but its about 29 minutes in.