As much as this codex is questionable in all senses of the word, I am happy to see the Imperial Inquisition represented again - especially the Arbites who work under them.
Yep, delighted that the inquisiton etc are getting fleshed out etc, but why they had to do it at the cost of the deathwatch is beyond me and I hate them for it.
@@timbob1145I feel it’d be fine if they didn’t just get rid of like over half of the DW range for no reason while giving them next to no rule support. Like was it REALLY that hard just to leave the DW as is and like give them *A* decent rule so players can have fun with them?
I reiterate, WHERE TF are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers? No, they shouldn't just be running astra militarum scions because then you can't use the Imperial Agents detachments. That, and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers actually bring a thunderhammer. Maybe an upgrade sprue? This just feels so half-arsed every time I look at the army...
I get that these guys may not be viable in tournament play, but in casual they are incredible fun. I’m in a crusade league playing every week and these units have so much flavor to them and diversity it’s been a great time. And they absolutely can win in friendly casual play
@@lordilluminati5836 yep. Tabling isn’t really easy with agents but with the right setup you can win most missions. Fleet gives us so many tools for movement and intelligent play.
I've played the fleet and ordo malleus detachments on the table. Fleet was against custodes, definitely benefit from swarm reinforcement penetration. Played ordo malleus against my buddy who kindly played chaos demons to test it. Really hit hard (as they should since it is their spec). Overall my rating is: Having a good time: top marks Effective: questionable Finicky rolls with an inordinate amount of differing weapons per group: MVP
What the army needs is another pool of units that pull from other imperial and some non-imperial armies that can ONLY be used with an AoI army. Maybe things like Mechanicus units, Votann, some space marines. Things of that nature
While on its own as an army it’s not good, I like the codex in principle as a way to expand their rules and allow people who really like those models to field them legally
I'm in a crusade with IA at the moment and I'm loving playing them, even if I'm getting slaughtered quite often. Running every assassin is a very silly move but so fun to play.
No name inquisitor should be way higher tier for the price it’s amazing. Also breachers should be top tier, they’re awesome. I’m having fun and doing pretty well playing agents!
Agreed, especially in the ordo Hereticus. The Melta1 enhancement lets him solo a 5 man squad of space marines within 9 inches, since it affects his combi weapon too.
I think if you're going to play Agents in at least a semi-competitive way, you're probably looking at taking three Armingers as Allies and using the Rogue Trader + Breachers blob to give you the redeploy and a sizeable Infiltrate unit that takes a bit of effort to get rid of. Battle Sisters are sort of attractive at 100 points if you decide to go anti-infantry with them- a Hand Flamer, Flamer and Heavy Flamer split squad in a Heavy Flamer Immolator gives you the bolter squad to sticky a home objective and a lot of Flamer fire to clear hordes that doesn't really miss the Miracle Dice. Then you've got access to a lot of cheap chaff for Actions. I don't know how the balance of chaff vs Deathwatch and GK to actually kill stuff would look, but I think there could be something there.
Coteaz’s ability to remove the Benefit of Cover from an enemy within 18” is nice for Guard allies. He doesn’t require line of sight to use the ability so he can place it on a unit hiding behind ruins or such and then the Guard artillery can pound them without them getting the benefit of cover they normally would when being shot at indirectly.
He also slots well into Catachans if they dont already have their full quota of leaders, S10 AP-4 thunderhammer attacks are nothing to sneeze at, and a scout move can get him further up the table for a better T2 psybereagle target.
Could be spicy if you spike it, but on average, and my math might be very wrong here, it comes out to 4 mortal wounds per shooting from him IF the enemy is on an objective.
@@CuriousLumenwood Sounds like a skill issue. Seriously though, its all by degrees. The faction isn't GOOD, but it does have a few tricks. The Inquisitor can add some mortal wound output to one of the few battlelines, thats got to be worth 55 points right?
@@1965917 No, it’s not. There’s a reason people aren’t doing it. It’s not people “sleeping on it”, it’s that there’s better things to do with those points. Is it funny? Yes, incredibly. But that’s a different discussion, and one that we’re not having.
I've played Agents competitively now twice. The primary denial is real. Navigators, subductors and cullexis dish out enough battleshock tests to swing primaries. The fleet detachment is obviously the best. Deep strike the navigators leading breachers. Force battleshock tests on enemy units on objectives, dish out mortal wounds and follow it up with a bunch of strength 5, AP-1, ignores cover, twin linked attacks
@@Endorfas navigators with breachers, both deep striking Watchmaster's deathwatch unit deep striking (gets me a free rapid ingress) Other deathwatch in rhino Both subductors and 1 voidsmen infiltrating Grey Knights termies in deep strike
A few tweaks and they could be a very interesting army. I picked up the malleus and hereticus sets especially for nostalgia purposes. Stick some knights with them for allies perhaps as they lack heavies.
i have close to 2k inquisition.. Wish they had something like a mortar or battle tank to prop them up a bit. Even if the Corvus was a lot cheape points it would be a start.
I have 1500pts. I have not had many chances to play them but i agree they are missing a solid backbone. Yes we can run armigers but i would like something in book to fill a similar role.
While all of the detachments should be buffed, I feel it's a real shame the Imperialis fleet didn't offer some sort of naval weapon or cas support. Getting a certain amount of free extra firepower in the form of off map fighters and bombers or even macro cannon and lance fire would have been cool. Maybe the close air support requires allied units in range to spot while the lance and macrocannon fire manifests as multiple deathstrike missile launcher like target markers.
This codex is a joke. We have been waiting for years to get some sort of Inquisition army and they give us 2000 points of slapped together killteams and like 5 units from other codizes.
this army literally needs 2 things and i see it as actually quite strong: literally ANY armour, and point decreases. the fact that it costs 100 pts for 5 of our marines, but other armies have marines with more synergy, with similar or more abilities that that of the Deathwatch Squad. same for navy breachers, while they do have many great skills, they are grossly overcosted. even the 'best unit' in this codex, the GK termies, feel overcosted and ultimately not useful, not to mention their lack of actual killing threat to anything, due to their small unit size. that being said, imperial agents is an army that emcompasses 'youre playing checkers im playing chess' style, where you have many more abilities and pieces, with an ability to trade, but at the cost of major durability or killing potential (not to say there isnt any, just not falling anywhere near the average). If they get a tank of literally any kind, and points drops, i might expect to see DW marine spamming imperialis fleets, or cagey and annoying MSU ordo malleus lists running round. NOTE: Canis rex is your friend, run him in every Agents list ever.
It has. Art of War did it from a competitive perspective either last Tuesday or the Tuesday before. They were as harsh or more, and I don't blame them.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Honestly their tier list seems like it was more balanced, it wasn't super accurate but AT's is really off the mark with some of his placements. The inquisitorial chimera is borderline useless yet he ranks it above the corvus blackstar for some reason? He also way undervalues the watchmaster and subductor squads, to the point I really question if he even knows what he's talking about. It feels like he's ranking them on how well they'd play in a style that you wouldn't play them in, hence probably why he ranks deathwatch veterans and grey knight terminators the highest, it's what he's familiar with.
@@captainweekend5276 as a guard player, the chimera actually provides a decent amount of dakka for its cost, and a HK missile wouldnt go astray in an army with zero anti-tank. With firing deck you can essentially give it extra guns and treat it as the only tank the agents get. An extra plasma cannon or multimelta ontop of two heavy bolters, a heavy stubber and a lasgun array isnt too bad, or alternatively a psychic torrent inquisitor popping out the top of a twin heavy flamer chimera beats an immolator in my books. The fact you can turn that extra gun into a scoring unit by disembarking it is just a bonus at this point. Spamming some chimeras alongside a knights/armigers etc wouldnt be the worst tactic.
I disagree on Greyfax. Put her with a good Battleline unit and you've got a Greater Deamon hunter squad that can be a threat with sheet weight of shots
So far I'm 1-1 but it's not a strong army. Grey Knights & Death Watch and allied knights doing the most work. Subductors underperformed compared to what I had hoped. T3 1 W hurts their nice saves. Probably worth one unit but not 3
One theory I’ve heard is that Imperialis Fleet’s acquire/eliminate was supposed to be the army rule, and it was instead turned into being its own detachment late into production because they needed a “generic” detachment. The 3 Ordo detachments specifically mention their ordos but IF makes no mention of the navy or anything at all in the lore tidbit drop-down.
Imperial Agents should have had an army rule. Inquisitorial Stormtroopers with an access to the Inquisition armoury should have been the Battleline troops just like the good ol days of Codex Daemonhunters and Codex Witch Hunters. Daemonhost should have gotten plastic updated Bound and Unbound Daemonhost dual kit and split into two different datasheets just like in Inquisitor The Battle for the Emperors Soul as per Exterminatus 6 rules and Bob Naismith miniature, and WD 310 (UK) Nemesis Kill Team rules of 4ed. Ordo Hereticus Battle Sisters should have been the Celestians instead and should have had access to the Ordo Hereticus Drop Pods as transport just like in 3ed CJ 49 Ordo Hereticus Strike Force of Andy Hoare. Generic Inquisitors should have been highly customisable powerful characters encouraged to be taken as many in an Inquisition army, and should have gotten updated plastic kit. And an Inquisitor Lord datasheet could have returned to represent a senior influential Inquisitor leading an Inquisitorial Conclave. FW resin Repressor should have been updated into plastic as an Arbites and Inquisition transport. FW Aquila Lander should have been updated into plastic. The rest of the Inquisitorial Henchmen could have been updated into plastic as well, like the Penitent, Chirurgeon etc. Radicals could have had rules to allow for fielding Daemon Packs, Mutants and Rogue Psykers or Xenos Mercenaries, but eschewing the Puritan Imperium forces in return as a tradeoff.
Addendum: The lack of Death Cult Assassin is a weird ommission given its previous presence in any Inquisition army and or dedicated game. Alternatively, a generic Assassin or Bounty Hunter could have been made into a unit as well, like in Inq54 TTRPG. Chrono-Gladiators could have been made into a unit, ported over from Inq54 TTRPG. Adeptus Arbites Bikers could have returned from 3ed CJ 29 Adeptus Arbites allied list. 4ed GW website Incarcerator as a vehicle could have returned. Vanus and Venenum Assassins could have been finally madd into units given their presence in fluff since 1997 2ed and 1999 3ed Codex Assassins. Adeptus Arbites Judge from Inq54 as per Fanatic Magazine 5 could have returned.
Watch master, breachers and subductors should be in top tier. Watch master is pretty much going in every list that brings DW. Assuming you'r playing Fleet then breachers will be an auti include and subdutors...if you can get the models!! lol I love the corus but dam its points. Give the twin las cannon 2 shots, each storm missles 2 shots and at least it has a bit of punch for 180pts. Or make it 140pts.
Agreed on all these points. NGL, the biggest problem with the faction is the yawning absence of a real army rule, followed shortly by the derth of anti-tank. They could have made a dedicated Arbites detachment as well, and expanded the voidfarer keyword, and maybe even added a "radical/puritan" dichotomy to unit options. You can bring xenos mercs, but you can't do that and also bring a puritan inquisitor, etc.
The hole codex is over costet for what they offer. And any unit don't have a concept or a clear battelfild roll. The codex was the most disappointing one this jear even as allies they don't bring anything on the table. I man the assassin's cood maybe but they are so point heavy that they are realy bad. I don't see a reason to take for Exempel a single vinicare assassin for the same point cost as an small knight, a gladius tank, a dradknoth or a lemon Ruß tank. Every Armee have higher damage than that for same point costs and on top of that he needs properly 2 to 3 rounds to kill a single Charakter. This codex feel like an Armee ordert from wisch. And the only ok units like the daethwatch and terminators are Gönner replace next jear with other models and they feel like an casgrap befor that.
*whole *overcosted *battlefield *year ... Oh man, I almost got a stroke trying to read this gibberish. We got ourselves a dumb German here, guessing from the umlaut?
The Corvus is my #1 fav unit in casual friendly play. Been running it in league for 4 weeks now. My fav combo is fly over the enemy tough unit, drop cluster bombs in move phase. Disembark 10 deathwatch and watchmaster, chuck grenade strat free lay down fire with frag cannons and heavy bolters and shoot the Corvus. Is anything still alive? Awesome. Tank shock…with the Corvus. I’ve added a modified (cleaned up) fleshmower onto the nose of my Blackstar so that my enemies know who it is they are fighting and will spread word that their troops were mowed by an aircraft.
@@emperoramp9305 rules say you lose rules associated to aircraft if you hover which should mean you don’t have the rule that aircraft can’t charge right?
Somewhat disagree with some of this, specifically the ally thoughts. I main sisters of battle, and the shortcomings of that army, lacking the anvil for a hammer and anvil type strategy, and with high cost skirmishers unless you commit to the penitent host, the options from this codex fill a lot of short comings
Well Inquisition is my dream army, and I already play Grey knights and sister's so I have a army with a few agends, inquisitor and an assassin. But I love kit bashing and will absolutely use my jokaeros, demonhost, old world kits as henchmen of rogue traders and inquisitors, I shit on if it's competitive or not, treats why I need karakazov Modell to kitvash a dioarama madell to play as triumpf of st. Katherine in sisters
Inquisitors are now so dull. In lore they're some of the most varied individuals, with access to the entire arsenal of possible equipment, including stuff that would be branded heretical for others to wield. But now? They can't even choose to take Power Armour. Not a Power Weapon in sight. Even so much as a Plasma Pistol isn't allowed. So why bother?
The fact deathwatch vets can now take four heavy thunder hammers and back it up with shields and power weapons is pretty brutal, they can dish out unreal amounts of hurt, and that can plug some big gaps in other armies like guard.
Watch master is easily tier 1 imo, if you're leading deathwatch vets with anything it's him, advance, fall back, shoot, and charge is insanely powerful to the point that he would be legitimately cracked if he could lead anything other than deathwatch.
Just wish he wasn't 105pts! He ties with Draxus for leading deathwatch vets, death to the alien really helps her firepower and makes fighting xenos just brutal. Anything you can do to get four heavy thunder hammers hitting better is well worth it. That said, have had fun with using the watch master's Rites of Battle to spring an unexpected overwatch with infernus HBs once I've used overwatch somewhere else. Now even just the knowledge that I could do so if I wanted really messes with my opponent's head, and I dont even have to use it.
i personally include greyfax in almost every single one of my sisters of battle lists for three main reasons: 1. Putting her in a basic sisters of battle squad means that in the event that there is any psykers that i have somthing that can reliably deal with them, especially nice to have if im playing against nids and theres 7 different individual giant monsters/characters with the psyker keyword and my boltguns are wounding them on a 4 up and so are the meltaguns. When shes not there and im fighting a hive tyrant or magnus, she is greatly missed. 2. greyfax fits the themeing of a sisters army very well 3. celestine is really really good and if im gonna include her it would be rude to not also bring her girlfriend
People who crap on the Agents are probably the ones buying Old World kits. Jokes aside, splendid models, my friends will love them, but may not be a good idea for an army.
I have an amusement list to try out if Drax and 25 deathwatch vets. 2 x warglaives and big old Warhound titan with plasma and turbo lasers Should be comical to run a couple of games at least
As a "Guard" & "Knight" armies player , I have not found a "bad" Imperial Agents Unit . With Knights , a lot of action monkey options With Guard , a lot of Catachan add to's ( if you know what I mean ) that can make a "punchy" Guard Army besides "Straken" & his 10 man meat shield The best part will be is they will get better With the "Woke" "Stalinist" "Simps" at GW , I am actual pleasantly surprised with this codex
I have ran a 10 ball of pure melee deathwatch in a rhino with a watchmaster in my imperial guard and it has been doing wonders. It is our only way to get decent melee on the board.
You know what, I wish everything in codex felt just as strong on a per model basis as they do in their own codices but just suffered from being a bit more expensive. Instead GW have gone with “make them feel weaker than in solo code” that way consumers spend more
Corvus cant help on objectives? It s not true: in imperialis fleet, use " take at all cost " detachement rule and corvus will gain +1 OC, and thus can make an action, or score easily.
I think it would have been better if their army rule was just being able to take imperium unit like other imperium armies can take imperial agent unit. It would also have beenb better for deathwatch player
This is why the game has become too GT focussed. Of course Grey Knights are the heaviest hitters, they're pyskers in terminator armour. But an agents list has so much more flavour and fun to it than the bland lists winning GTs.
unfortunately at even a "casual" level you need to trim the fat. Most of my local group play at a casually competitive level (strong lists with a casual mindset) So just running fluff with no bite means you just lose in the list building.
The GK index actually has an army rule. You can take them in 10 man squads, and they get a ton of extra leader options. And the stratagems blow away any given set from the Agents detachments.
People who crap on the Agents are probably the ones buying Old World kits. Jokes aside, splendid models, my friends will love them, but may not be a good idea for an army.
My biggest gripe with them is it feels like a lot of the units people run as action monkeys in grey knights or custodies like myself running an exaction squad for a close to deployment action monkey just get shafted and can’t view their rules since I don’t own the codex.
As much as this codex is questionable in all senses of the word, I am happy to see the Imperial Inquisition represented again - especially the Arbites who work under them.
Yep, delighted that the inquisiton etc are getting fleshed out etc, but why they had to do it at the cost of the deathwatch is beyond me and I hate them for it.
Now if only the codex didn’t feel like a 5minute copy pasta
@@timbob1145I feel it’d be fine if they didn’t just get rid of like over half of the DW range for no reason while giving them next to no rule support. Like was it REALLY that hard just to leave the DW as is and like give them *A* decent rule so players can have fun with them?
@israeldelarosa5461 yep, pretty awful decision from GW, i literally just completed my 2000 pts of dw and they do this... aaaaaaaahhhhj
Now if they'd given us a Judge or Marshall character tgey woube firced to serve under Inquisitors on the Tabletop
I reiterate, WHERE TF are Inquisitorial Stormtroopers? No, they shouldn't just be running astra militarum scions because then you can't use the Imperial Agents detachments.
That, and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers actually bring a thunderhammer. Maybe an upgrade sprue?
This just feels so half-arsed every time I look at the army...
Where ?
In the inquisitorial agents units.
I get that these guys may not be viable in tournament play, but in casual they are incredible fun. I’m in a crusade league playing every week and these units have so much flavor to them and diversity it’s been a great time. And they absolutely can win in friendly casual play
So I take it you focus on agendas and scoring then?
@@lordilluminati5836 yep. Tabling isn’t really easy with agents but with the right setup you can win most missions. Fleet gives us so many tools for movement and intelligent play.
I hope they get fleshed-out. The whole Imperial Inquisition is so lore-rich and memeable.
And the rest of the Imperial Agents.
Like give us an Arbites character or two and give us back Jokaero and Daemonhosts
And Legion of the Damned.
@@ChrisKCook🤟🏻🤟🏻🤟🏻
I've played the fleet and ordo malleus detachments on the table. Fleet was against custodes, definitely benefit from swarm reinforcement penetration. Played ordo malleus against my buddy who kindly played chaos demons to test it. Really hit hard (as they should since it is their spec).
Overall my rating is:
Having a good time: top marks
Effective: questionable
Finicky rolls with an inordinate amount of differing weapons per group: MVP
Legit has potential just needs an actual army rule . Feels like over sight there defacto army rule is just a different assigned agents rule
What the army needs is another pool of units that pull from other imperial and some non-imperial armies that can ONLY be used with an AoI army. Maybe things like Mechanicus units, Votann, some space marines. Things of that nature
While on its own as an army it’s not good, I like the codex in principle as a way to expand their rules and allow people who really like those models to field them legally
I'm in a crusade with IA at the moment and I'm loving playing them, even if I'm getting slaughtered quite often. Running every assassin is a very silly move but so fun to play.
When this codex came out. I bought 9 boxes of arbites. I will make my police force army for the inquisition! Stat sheet be damned!
No name inquisitor should be way higher tier for the price it’s amazing. Also breachers should be top tier, they’re awesome. I’m having fun and doing pretty well playing agents!
Agreed, especially in the ordo Hereticus. The Melta1 enhancement lets him solo a 5 man squad of space marines within 9 inches, since it affects his combi weapon too.
Came to say same thing, inquisitor with breachers can put out bonkers damage, and unlocks the 4+ invul/6" move strat for them. Really good combo
I think if you're going to play Agents in at least a semi-competitive way, you're probably looking at taking three Armingers as Allies and using the Rogue Trader + Breachers blob to give you the redeploy and a sizeable Infiltrate unit that takes a bit of effort to get rid of. Battle Sisters are sort of attractive at 100 points if you decide to go anti-infantry with them- a Hand Flamer, Flamer and Heavy Flamer split squad in a Heavy Flamer Immolator gives you the bolter squad to sticky a home objective and a lot of Flamer fire to clear hordes that doesn't really miss the Miracle Dice. Then you've got access to a lot of cheap chaff for Actions. I don't know how the balance of chaff vs Deathwatch and GK to actually kill stuff would look, but I think there could be something there.
I loved old Deathwatch and I wanted to like Agents, but you know, just look at em >.>
so true...
Coteaz’s ability to remove the Benefit of Cover from an enemy within 18” is nice for Guard allies. He doesn’t require line of sight to use the ability so he can place it on a unit hiding behind ruins or such and then the Guard artillery can pound them without them getting the benefit of cover they normally would when being shot at indirectly.
He also slots well into Catachans if they dont already have their full quota of leaders, S10 AP-4 thunderhammer attacks are nothing to sneeze at, and a scout move can get him further up the table for a better T2 psybereagle target.
Agents would be a way more popular faction if they actually had a damn Army rule, they have to completely rely on 4 PR mid detachments to do anything
rating breachers above subductors is crazy
Why? Would be helpful to know
@@chitterlingsrtastysubductors have a 3+ 4++, 11 models (one without the 4++) for 85 points. They’re incredible objective holding chaff
@@Morlock123 thanks for the response!
ofc greyfax is a bottom, if i saw celestine id bottom 2😔
They nerfed greyfax severly.
At least they could have conservated the rules for the kill team building inside this book
Damn, everyone keeps sleeping on Inquisitors. Add him to a breacher squad and he throws out rerolling autohitting dev wounds.
That's ONE inquisitor, in ONE detachment. The army as a whole has plenty of issues and needs to ally in knights for ANY functional Anti-tank fire.
145 points for a gimmick unit that might not even get to do its gimmick before it dies to Termagant shooting isn’t good.
Could be spicy if you spike it, but on average, and my math might be very wrong here, it comes out to 4 mortal wounds per shooting from him IF the enemy is on an objective.
@@CuriousLumenwood Sounds like a skill issue.
Seriously though, its all by degrees. The faction isn't GOOD, but it does have a few tricks. The Inquisitor can add some mortal wound output to one of the few battlelines, thats got to be worth 55 points right?
@@1965917 No, it’s not. There’s a reason people aren’t doing it. It’s not people “sleeping on it”, it’s that there’s better things to do with those points.
Is it funny? Yes, incredibly. But that’s a different discussion, and one that we’re not having.
I've played Agents competitively now twice. The primary denial is real. Navigators, subductors and cullexis dish out enough battleshock tests to swing primaries. The fleet detachment is obviously the best. Deep strike the navigators leading breachers. Force battleshock tests on enemy units on objectives, dish out mortal wounds and follow it up with a bunch of strength 5, AP-1, ignores cover, twin linked attacks
Mind sharing your list if possible?
@@Endorfas
Watchmaster
Navigator with Clandestine Operations
Navigator with Combat Landers
Callidus
Cullexis
Canis Rex
2x Navy Breachers
2x Subductor Squad
2x10 deathwatch
2x voidsmen
1x Grey Knights terminators
1 rhino
@@Endorfas
navigators with breachers, both deep striking
Watchmaster's deathwatch unit deep striking (gets me a free rapid ingress)
Other deathwatch in rhino
Both subductors and 1 voidsmen infiltrating
Grey Knights termies in deep strike
Yesterday my eversor assassin killed 9 nobz, 2 warbosses and 1 meganob. I was imperial Knights, he was bully boys.
A few tweaks and they could be a very interesting army. I picked up the malleus and hereticus sets especially for nostalgia purposes. Stick some knights with them for allies perhaps as they lack heavies.
Really wish they did a better competitive job with them. Maybe over time
i have close to 2k inquisition.. Wish they had something like a mortar or battle tank to prop them up a bit.
Even if the Corvus was a lot cheape points it would be a start.
I have 1500pts. I have not had many chances to play them but i agree they are missing a solid backbone. Yes we can run armigers but i would like something in book to fill a similar role.
We all know the dog is the strongest unit....i played all souls games, i know what im talking about
I think rogue trader entourage are pretty cool for the 4+ invuln they could provide to breachers
While all of the detachments should be buffed, I feel it's a real shame the Imperialis fleet didn't offer some sort of naval weapon or cas support. Getting a certain amount of free extra firepower in the form of off map fighters and bombers or even macro cannon and lance fire would have been cool. Maybe the close air support requires allied units in range to spot while the lance and macrocannon fire manifests as multiple deathstrike missile launcher like target markers.
This codex is a joke. We have been waiting for years to get some sort of Inquisition army and they give us 2000 points of slapped together killteams and like 5 units from other codizes.
These guys look like they should be part of the Sisters of Battle tbh
sisters already stole the 7th edition inquistor units, that being death cult assassins and crusaders.
Greyfax before Codex: Vessel
Greyfax after Codex: Vessel
Thanks GW🤦🏻♂️
I wish I could get a guarantee that this codex would exist into 11th edition
lol valid concern indeed I guess if it’d piss poor sales / representation they will just roll it into imperium index next edition
this army literally needs 2 things and i see it as actually quite strong:
literally ANY armour, and point decreases. the fact that it costs 100 pts for 5 of our marines, but other armies have marines with more synergy, with similar or more abilities that that of the Deathwatch Squad. same for navy breachers, while they do have many great skills, they are grossly overcosted. even the 'best unit' in this codex, the GK termies, feel overcosted and ultimately not useful, not to mention their lack of actual killing threat to anything, due to their small unit size.
that being said, imperial agents is an army that emcompasses 'youre playing checkers im playing chess' style, where you have many more abilities and pieces, with an ability to trade, but at the cost of major durability or killing potential (not to say there isnt any, just not falling anywhere near the average).
If they get a tank of literally any kind, and points drops, i might expect to see DW marine spamming imperialis fleets, or cagey and annoying MSU ordo malleus lists running round.
NOTE: Canis rex is your friend, run him in every Agents list ever.
Canis is going to get wrecked in the next balance most likely tbh so perhaps 3 armigers be better for safe betting maybe
I kinda wish since they never got a proper army rule, the detachments each could have like, one additional rule
Auspex do you have any idea why the Inquisitorial Stormtoopers didn't make the Codex? Seems like a huge oversight to me. Love the content, thanks!
I'm kinda surprised this hasn't been done yet
It has. Art of War did it from a competitive perspective either last Tuesday or the Tuesday before.
They were as harsh or more, and I don't blame them.
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Honestly their tier list seems like it was more balanced, it wasn't super accurate but AT's is really off the mark with some of his placements. The inquisitorial chimera is borderline useless yet he ranks it above the corvus blackstar for some reason? He also way undervalues the watchmaster and subductor squads, to the point I really question if he even knows what he's talking about. It feels like he's ranking them on how well they'd play in a style that you wouldn't play them in, hence probably why he ranks deathwatch veterans and grey knight terminators the highest, it's what he's familiar with.
@@captainweekend5276 as a guard player, the chimera actually provides a decent amount of dakka for its cost, and a HK missile wouldnt go astray in an army with zero anti-tank. With firing deck you can essentially give it extra guns and treat it as the only tank the agents get. An extra plasma cannon or multimelta ontop of two heavy bolters, a heavy stubber and a lasgun array isnt too bad, or alternatively a psychic torrent inquisitor popping out the top of a twin heavy flamer chimera beats an immolator in my books. The fact you can turn that extra gun into a scoring unit by disembarking it is just a bonus at this point. Spamming some chimeras alongside a knights/armigers etc wouldnt be the worst tactic.
Kinda feels like an army of Tier 2 units. Still, seems fun, kinda want to build some.
Imolators are great for knights they strip cover. Which really helps helverins and Gatling cannons.
I think auspex underestimates hobby time i know a fair few players going that way lgt onwards but it takes time to paint 60 arbites/breachers
I love my knight army recruits
I disagree on Greyfax. Put her with a good Battleline unit and you've got a Greater Deamon hunter squad that can be a threat with sheet weight of shots
So far I'm 1-1 but it's not a strong army. Grey Knights & Death Watch and allied knights doing the most work. Subductors underperformed compared to what I had hoped. T3 1 W hurts their nice saves. Probably worth one unit but not 3
Invul 6? It's 5, isn't it?
Subductors not in tier 1 ... i guess we haven't red the same codex
"Red", I think we haven't learned the same English grammar in school
@@dxpsumma383 it's not my main language. Do you anything else to say except being the spelling douch ?
@@dxpsumma383 Anything else substantive to add except being a spelling douchebag ?
How do you do your rating. From actually playing them. Your tier list is right off. Unless you are going by pure data sheet, and not use
It's pronounced 'arbites'
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One theory I’ve heard is that Imperialis Fleet’s acquire/eliminate was supposed to be the army rule, and it was instead turned into being its own detachment late into production because they needed a “generic” detachment. The 3 Ordo detachments specifically mention their ordos but IF makes no mention of the navy or anything at all in the lore tidbit drop-down.
Uff. Could have had deathwatch veterans with sustained hits and plus 1 to hit. -(sad inquisitorial noises)
Imperial Agents should have had an army rule.
Inquisitorial Stormtroopers with an access to the Inquisition armoury should have been the Battleline troops just like the good ol days of Codex Daemonhunters and Codex Witch Hunters.
Daemonhost should have gotten plastic updated Bound and Unbound Daemonhost dual kit and split into two different datasheets just like in Inquisitor The Battle for the Emperors Soul as per Exterminatus 6 rules and Bob Naismith miniature, and WD 310 (UK) Nemesis Kill Team rules of 4ed.
Ordo Hereticus Battle Sisters should have been the Celestians instead and should have had access to the Ordo Hereticus Drop Pods as transport just like in 3ed CJ 49 Ordo Hereticus Strike Force of Andy Hoare.
Generic Inquisitors should have been highly customisable powerful characters encouraged to be taken as many in an Inquisition army, and should have gotten updated plastic kit. And an Inquisitor Lord datasheet could have returned to represent a senior influential Inquisitor leading an Inquisitorial Conclave.
FW resin Repressor should have been updated into plastic as an Arbites and Inquisition transport.
FW Aquila Lander should have been updated into plastic.
The rest of the Inquisitorial Henchmen could have been updated into plastic as well, like the Penitent, Chirurgeon etc.
Radicals could have had rules to allow for fielding Daemon Packs, Mutants and Rogue Psykers or Xenos Mercenaries, but eschewing the Puritan Imperium forces in return as a tradeoff.
Addendum:
The lack of Death Cult Assassin is a weird ommission given its previous presence in any Inquisition army and or dedicated game. Alternatively, a generic Assassin or Bounty Hunter could have been made into a unit as well, like in Inq54 TTRPG.
Chrono-Gladiators could have been made into a unit, ported over from Inq54 TTRPG.
Adeptus Arbites Bikers could have returned from 3ed CJ 29 Adeptus Arbites allied list.
4ed GW website Incarcerator as a vehicle could have returned.
Vanus and Venenum Assassins could have been finally madd into units given their presence in fluff since 1997 2ed and 1999 3ed Codex Assassins.
Adeptus Arbites Judge from Inq54 as per Fanatic Magazine 5 could have returned.
Watch master, breachers and subductors should be in top tier. Watch master is pretty much going in every list that brings DW. Assuming you'r playing Fleet then breachers will be an auti include and subdutors...if you can get the models!! lol I love the corus but dam its points. Give the twin las cannon 2 shots, each storm missles 2 shots and at least it has a bit of punch for 180pts. Or make it 140pts.
Agreed on all these points.
NGL, the biggest problem with the faction is the yawning absence of a real army rule, followed shortly by the derth of anti-tank.
They could have made a dedicated Arbites detachment as well, and expanded the voidfarer keyword, and maybe even added a "radical/puritan" dichotomy to unit options. You can bring xenos mercs, but you can't do that and also bring a puritan inquisitor, etc.
The hole codex is over costet for what they offer. And any unit don't have a concept or a clear battelfild roll. The codex was the most disappointing one this jear even as allies they don't bring anything on the table. I man the assassin's cood maybe but they are so point heavy that they are realy bad. I don't see a reason to take for Exempel a single vinicare assassin for the same point cost as an small knight, a gladius tank, a dradknoth or a lemon Ruß tank. Every Armee have higher damage than that for same point costs and on top of that he needs properly 2 to 3 rounds to kill a single Charakter. This codex feel like an Armee ordert from wisch. And the only ok units like the daethwatch and terminators are Gönner replace next jear with other models and they feel like an casgrap befor that.
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Oh man, I almost got a stroke trying to read this gibberish. We got ourselves a dumb German here, guessing from the umlaut?
The Corvus is my #1 fav unit in casual friendly play. Been running it in league for 4 weeks now. My fav combo is fly over the enemy tough unit, drop cluster bombs in move phase. Disembark 10 deathwatch and watchmaster, chuck grenade strat free lay down fire with frag cannons and heavy bolters and shoot the Corvus. Is anything still alive? Awesome. Tank shock…with the Corvus. I’ve added a modified (cleaned up) fleshmower onto the nose of my Blackstar so that my enemies know who it is they are fighting and will spread word that their troops were mowed by an aircraft.
I hate to be the burster of bubbles, but aircraft cannot charge. its the very first line stated about them in "Aircraft in the Charge and Fight Phase"
@@emperoramp9305 even in the hover mode? Man my whole world is in shambles now
@@emperoramp9305 rules say you lose rules associated to aircraft if you hover which should mean you don’t have the rule that aircraft can’t charge right?
@TheGreatArtichoke i forgot hover so nevermind. Carry on that sweet imperium kamikaze, and thanks for the tech idea 😉
Somewhat disagree with some of this, specifically the ally thoughts.
I main sisters of battle, and the shortcomings of that army, lacking the anvil for a hammer and anvil type strategy, and with high cost skirmishers unless you commit to the penitent host, the options from this codex fill a lot of short comings
Well Inquisition is my dream army, and I already play Grey knights and sister's so I have a army with a few agends, inquisitor and an assassin. But I love kit bashing and will absolutely use my jokaeros, demonhost, old world kits as henchmen of rogue traders and inquisitors, I shit on if it's competitive or not, treats why I need karakazov Modell to kitvash a dioarama madell to play as triumpf of st. Katherine in sisters
Inquisitors are now so dull. In lore they're some of the most varied individuals, with access to the entire arsenal of possible equipment, including stuff that would be branded heretical for others to wield.
But now? They can't even choose to take Power Armour. Not a Power Weapon in sight. Even so much as a Plasma Pistol isn't allowed.
So why bother?
I used to run inquisitor in terminator armor. I would make him an alpha level psyker with a bunch of casts and denys. I miss those days.
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Bring back Killteams 🤬
The fact deathwatch vets can now take four heavy thunder hammers and back it up with shields and power weapons is pretty brutal, they can dish out unreal amounts of hurt, and that can plug some big gaps in other armies like guard.
They always could, it was just an issue in the app. All my vet teams had 4 hammers 4 infernus bolters
I have been running them pure close combat with watchmaster and rhino and they are awesome in the guard!!
Best unit is an allied in knight lol
Watch master is easily tier 1 imo, if you're leading deathwatch vets with anything it's him, advance, fall back, shoot, and charge is insanely powerful to the point that he would be legitimately cracked if he could lead anything other than deathwatch.
Just wish he wasn't 105pts! He ties with Draxus for leading deathwatch vets, death to the alien really helps her firepower and makes fighting xenos just brutal. Anything you can do to get four heavy thunder hammers hitting better is well worth it. That said, have had fun with using the watch master's Rites of Battle to spring an unexpected overwatch with infernus HBs once I've used overwatch somewhere else. Now even just the knowledge that I could do so if I wanted really messes with my opponent's head, and I dont even have to use it.
What is that model for the inquisitor called on
Tier 3. I love that model but can’t find it anywhere
i personally include greyfax in almost every single one of my sisters of battle lists for three main reasons:
1. Putting her in a basic sisters of battle squad means that in the event that there is any psykers that i have somthing that can reliably deal with them, especially nice to have if im playing against nids and theres 7 different individual giant monsters/characters with the psyker keyword and my boltguns are wounding them on a 4 up and so are the meltaguns. When shes not there and im fighting a hive tyrant or magnus, she is greatly missed.
2. greyfax fits the themeing of a sisters army very well
3. celestine is really really good and if im gonna include her it would be rude to not also bring her girlfriend
People who crap on the Agents are probably the ones buying Old World kits.
Jokes aside, splendid models, my friends will love them, but may not be a good idea for an army.
No, the people crapping on Agents are the people who have to sell off their Deathwatch
@AzkuulaKtaktu lmao , you are right, ahhahshs.
Yet another reason to ditch the 10th ed and start going homebrew.
I have an amusement list to try out if Drax and 25 deathwatch vets. 2 x warglaives and big old Warhound titan with plasma and turbo lasers
Should be comical to run a couple of games at least
As a "Guard" & "Knight" armies player , I have not found a "bad" Imperial Agents Unit .
With Knights , a lot of action monkey options
With Guard , a lot of Catachan add to's ( if you know what I mean ) that can make a "punchy" Guard Army besides "Straken" & his 10 man meat shield
The best part will be is they will get better
With the "Woke" "Stalinist" "Simps" at GW , I am actual pleasantly surprised with this codex
I have ran a 10 ball of pure melee deathwatch in a rhino with a watchmaster in my imperial guard and it has been doing wonders. It is our only way to get decent melee on the board.
You know what, I wish everything in codex felt just as strong on a per model basis as they do in their own codices but just suffered from being a bit more expensive.
Instead GW have gone with “make them feel weaker than in solo code” that way consumers spend more
AUSPEX does Scepter of Anointing from Grimaldus stack with crusader's wrath? Please let me know!
Corvus cant help on objectives? It s not true: in imperialis fleet, use " take at all cost " detachement rule and corvus will gain +1 OC, and thus can make an action, or score easily.
I think it would have been better if their army rule was just being able to take imperium unit like other imperium armies can take imperial agent unit. It would also have beenb better for deathwatch player
This is why the game has become too GT focussed. Of course Grey Knights are the heaviest hitters, they're pyskers in terminator armour.
But an agents list has so much more flavour and fun to it than the bland lists winning GTs.
unfortunately at even a "casual" level you need to trim the fat. Most of my local group play at a casually competitive level (strong lists with a casual mindset) So just running fluff with no bite means you just lose in the list building.
Can Agents take 3 Armiger Warglaives in a 1000 point list as part of a Doubles team?
Grey knight Terminators are 30 points cheaper in Agents.
They’re 210 points in the GK codex. Make it make sense 🤷♂️
The GK index actually has an army rule. You can take them in 10 man squads, and they get a ton of extra leader options. And the stratagems blow away any given set from the Agents detachments.
Did i miss it or did you forget the vendicare Assassin?
I love cities of sigmar in space 🎉
People who crap on the Agents are probably the ones buying Old World kits.
Jokes aside, splendid models, my friends will love them, but may not be a good idea for an army.
how would Karamazov place in this ranking with his legend rules?
My biggest gripe with them is it feels like a lot of the units people run as action monkeys in grey knights or custodies like myself running an exaction squad for a close to deployment action monkey just get shafted and can’t view their rules since I don’t own the codex.
The "extra layer of purchase" is disgusting, yeah. The fact that this army is functionally 90% action monkeys only makes it worse.
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