How to: Treating a koi (Doitsu) With Potassium Permanganate
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- How To: Treating a koi (Doitsu) With Potassium Permanganate. One of the more difficult Koi to treat with potassium is a Doitsu due to it having no Scales. But let me show you a step by step guide to getting it right!
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Guide:
Treatment attacks also infected and necrotic tissue and therefore gills, ulcers and ALL areas with bacterial or parasitic infections are affected. Brown manganese oxide form complexes with molecules in the process. This brownness is often interpreted as “burns” which it is not. At the right dosage and exposure it will not affect healthy skin of the fish.
This is slightly less impermeable for oxygen than the diseased tissue, therefore ANY stress exhibited by the fish should be reason to terminate the treatment (with hydrogen peroxide)
Even such, terminated treatment will be beter than most other treatment and real improvement can be seen if repeated a number of times en second or third day.
It can be said that potassium permanganate has the tendense to ‘cut’ to the root cause of the infection by first removing the secondary infection or dead cells, and then deactivate that infection itself. Giving antibiotics at the same time creates a two-pronged attack (from the inside.)
Dosage:
Pond treatment for parasites and snails: 2-4 g / 1000 liters.
Keep on adding in small doses of 2g/1000 litre to keep the pond water pink for 1-2 hours
Pond treatment for bacteria and ulcers: 2-4 g /1000 liter
Keep on adding in small doses 2g/1000 litre to keep the pond water pink for 8-10 hours
Dip: very effective for parasites, bacteria, ulcerations etc. Use 1 gram per 10 liter water for 7 minutes. Always aerate and ALWAYS remove the fish if it gets restless and jumpy. Control timing precisely and do not treat too many fish at the same time unless you can time the treatment of each fish correctly.
This treatment tough, can push an ailing fish ‘over the edge’. Therefore fish already weakened by disease should first be treated with a 30-50% dose first time. Alternatively simply shorten you dipping to 1-2 minutes if the gills are infected and necrotic.
Important. Always de-clog the gills with a Peroxide (hydrogen peroxide) treatment to the pond. It not only terminate the action of the potassium permanganate, but will clear the water from the brown colour. Will also aid in removing the brown coloured necrotic tissue from the gills.
Other:
I want to warn about use with salt. Salt (NaCl) is additive to potassium permanganate. To strip parasites from basically HEALTHY FISH can be tolerated, but sick, weakened fish should never be subjected to such treatment and will surely die. Always test salt level or ask the pond owner about his salt regimen before deciding on the protocol for the potassium permanganate treatment.
For certain phenotypes of the Doitsu koi the uptake of oxygen is poorer for certain physiological reasons. They stress more quickly and die due to oxygen starvation. Use half the recommended dose/time when dipping the first time at least to determine their suitability for the treatment..
Toxic:
Like ALL chemicals used for treating fish it is toxic and dangerous if overdosed. Always weigh the required dose and do not just estimate. (You might think you are good at this, but one mistake and you can lose your collection) Always first dissolve the required quantity completely in bucket before application. Protect yourself from the dust and spills of strong solutions as standard precaution. It can cause caustic burns easily at high concentrations.
For this reason it is easier and more safe to use proprietary solutions for fish treatment. (although a little more expensive)
Filters:
Since potassium permanganate is bactericidal, it will over time kill most bacteria in the pond if the dose is long enough. Free floating organisms first, but those forming a biofilm will be more resistant, go in stasis or will die last. So yes, it will ‘knock’ the biological filter. If pond is treated for 1-2 hours (pink) and you terminate treatment (with Peroxide), the parasites and some bacteria will be dead, but the hardly will not be affected. If you threat for 8-10 hours (pink) the biological filter will take a serious knock and take some time to recover. Do not feed the fish until you are sure the filter is working normally (by testing for ammonia and nitrite)
Bypassing the biological filter is always advised while oxygenating the pond. It is also good practice to leave the flow of the pink fluid flow for the first 30-60 minutes through the filter, but beyond that, bypass the filter.
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Thanks for watching!
Definitely got a good feel factor watching this upload mate, so pleased that the Koi got back to good health with a little help.Truly inspiring and comforting to anyone that’s got a pond knowing that help is at hand from people like yourself.
Cheers Simon, means alot
Really enjoyed video big thanks for showing us the details 👍
Not a problem Eamon mate
Good information Jack 👍
Cheers Paul! Glad you found it helpful
Good video this very helpful
Cheers buddy glad your liking it :)
@@TheBaldingReefer enjoying your vids keep at it please and thanks for writing about the pp in the video description,I'm going through me own struggles with me koi at the moment (holes and white fluff on them ) and instead of pp the whole pond from now on I'm gonna do your dip method this weekend .as soon as one fish heals up another goes down with it 😠😠😠
Awesome video
Cool colour purple!
Hi hope your well, great video mate, can you do a dip in malachite please mate
I can show how to buddy if it ever arises
Hi jack loving the blogs I am looking for some fry kajakus and ochibas I like any thing except go snake might you have something I might be interested in?
Hi dave, yes buddy!
Drop me and email to Jack@reeferaquatics.com
Could you explain the dosage for carp with scales and doitsu? how many grams or milligrams per liter and how long is the bath? Please..thanks
Hi great video.would dipping new koi be a way of ensuring you don't introduce parasites to your pond
I wouldn’t recommend pp dipping all new koi as it’s a very strong treatment
You should always QT your new fish even if its from a good place! at bare minimum, ill salt dip/bath new fish
Hello mate. Do you have an idea what the concentration of PP is in ppm? I have a premade solution that I bought so I can’t mix it from powder like you did. Thanks a lot! Appreciate it ❤️🩹🫶🏻🐟
Smashed it mate...such a helpful video and i will be using the technique soon as got flukes and tric and dont want to pp my whole pond, so i don't knock back my unmatured filter!!!
Sorry mate only just seen this! Glad you found it of some help
another great vid mate glad the fish is all good now hes proper nice
He is a gem of a fish!
I'm having an issue getting rid of costia on a fish used 2 treatments of fmg it has reduced but still on fish, would this kind of treatment help?, thanks for the video.
Yes mate
In the video if not mistaken i heard you say 1 grm with 50 litres and another time 1 grm with 10 litres, which one is correct pls.?
Per 10 litres :)
Hi mate love the video iv just done the first dip 2 days ago all fish are well but I notice since iv dipped 2 of the koi have white spots on take fin any advice thanks
Could be white spot mate just monitor it buddy
@@TheBaldingReefer should I go for the second dip tomorrow as the first one seem to have brought it to tha surface shall we say and I had a lot of fish come out of the dip with the brown on them and all the rest are doing really good don’t need 2nd dip only the 2 with white spot
No mate as carp pox is just like a colsore I’m humans, does not harm the fish and no treatments agasint it mate
@@TheBaldingReefer excellent I’ll keep eye on them thanks mate 👍
Can you please confirm the measurements for a pp dip? Water/PP/Time
Great by,can you confirm how much pp I can put in my 5500 Lt pond,👍how many grams?
Cheers buddy, and 16.5 grams :)
Great video..really helpful..but did i hear it wrong..is it 1 gram pp/ 50 litres of water or 1gram pp/ 10 litres of water..??
Great info mate, may be a stupid question but how do you know if it needs another dip?
If the wound appears to stay the same or gets worse then another dip would be needed pops
Brilliant info
Cheers dave, really appreciate the support
Hey again :) In your video you say you used 1 gram per 25 liters of water and then later on you say you used 1 gram per 10 liters of water. Your description bar says per 10 liters. Could you please double check that?
Thank you very much sir. One question how can pp be used to safe guard a planted pond from bacteria, etc. 1000lts of water.
You'll have to check what plants you have so you know what's a safe treatment level to use buddy
1gram Per 10 litres..... is this right.... cuz on the packet it says 6.8 grams per 4546 litres
Yes mate if you work it backwards
Great video can I ask I have icb tank sunk in garden with goldfish Blackmore shurbumpikns one of my large goldfish fantail is grumpy sits at bottom the other fish move him around I did take out and treat for swim bladder heated large tank and just feed peas he ate but seems sleepy I have purchased pp would you recommend bath for him as I have some salt in pond and have put tetra pond treatment in already have changed water if so I'd like to maybe dip him would a few minutes like you did be good as iv had now for over 4years and he's big and he's normally the first up 👍
I would advise a 2 minute dip on that as your doing everything else spot on and that should sort him out
Thanks for your reply I will do this weekend feel a bit more confident now with what to try 👍
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Potassium!! (And first thumbs up) 👍
Glad your liking it mate!
Hi, my pond temp. is 10 ° c , can i do pp dip ?
Yes just make sure you use heated water in your dip bucket, try and mix in warm tap water
Ok, tnx!
My pleasure
Why can’t you pp with salt in your pond is this to do with oxygen??
That's exactly right mate, creates a reaction and zaps all oxygen out the water
@@TheBaldingReefer Thankyou,
Is there any reason why doistu are more fragile than a normal koi
Yes buddy its just they don't have the scales to protect them mate
Very good
Cheers Mate
Is this safe for platies and other live bearers? I'm treating all of the fish in one of my tanks by extended soaks for parasites, any tips? I have a miligram set of scales and will follow the measurements to a t but wondered if there's anything I should look out for.
Just make sure there is plenty of oxygen in the water mate, follow the instructions to a T and you'll be fine
@@TheBaldingReefer fab okay ill put an air stone in the tub then. Also shall I use dechlorinated tap water in the tub or cycled fish tank water?
Either Amy will be fine :)
@@TheBaldingReefer cool nice one thanks!
Good job buddy
Cheers mate
Sorry mate you can use salt with pp you can not use salt with formalin
Fair enough, guidelines say not to buddy so I've never tried
@@TheBaldingReefer and putting air in to pp is not doing anything mate as pp strips the oxygen out the water to kill bacteria and parasite
It aids the fish though and will add a little oxygen in there mate, I get it strips it, but keeping a koi in pp water for up to 7 minutes with no air stone can kill it
I hope you don’t think I am being funny mate I love your video and what you do
No mate absolutely not! I love the fact you guys get involved and have your methods, this is just how I was taught mate that's all
Knowledge 👏🙀😮
Cheers Keith
Use it all the time.. I swear by it.. Not everyone is a fan.. Hard to get most meds for fish without a license.. I get it at a water treatment facility.. Much cheaper.. Big container.. .
Yh you guys struggle for meds in Canada don't you
@@TheBaldingReefer
Ya they are afraid of it getting into water supply or super virus/bacteria
look like frying fish in boiling water
No buddy it’s not, using pp crystals you have to use warm water
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