Honesty, I miss the era where pichu was considered one of the best characters in the game. Probably the most fun I had with smash ultimate and watching the scene
It's a shame how bad Pichu got gutted. As someone who had a big attachment to Pichu as a little kid playing Melee, I was happy to see he was actually good very early on in Ultimate's life, and then this happens.
But I don’t get why pichu fans have to drop him if u where a real pichu enthusiast you’d know ur supposed to be playing with one of the lightest & hardest to use characters that should prove your skill doesn’t matter how gutted he was he’s always meant to be bottom of the barrel so u can prove how good of a player u are to get wins with such a trash character. Might be funny to laugh at characters getting rocked by pichu but it’s not as funny unless the character has some serious set backs
Pichu's mobility overall isn't still very good, but the funny thing is that Pichu's aerial mobility is actually much better than Pikachu's. And you might say that him being a fast faller might be a detriment, but that mostly goes for him being offstage. If anything, it helps him transition from the air to ground when he's mashing short-hop aerials with his non-electrical moves. And consider the fact that Pichu has more autocancelling opportunities as far as his frame data goes.
I honestly didn't expect someone with such little subscribers to have Albino level edits but here we are. But I'm here to correct a thing from this video, as I used to main Pichu myself. 1. Loops are actually true, the old traditional ones aren't unless you're doing it on a character with a f4 airdodge or no disadvantage options. However there is use for Utilt, Slingshot IDJ delayed bair which actually makes the loops true from Pichu himself to Bowser. Although I still somewhat struggle to do it consitently. And I do heavily agree with what you said about the nerfs, they should've never nerfed Pichu in the first place, people SAY he was really broken in 1.0.0 but it was just a huge anti-Pichu circlejerk that would later be accepted as "Fact". 2018 December was the same era where mfs would literally say they couldn't ledge trap Chrom because his up b could suck you in and spike you, and it didn't help that Nintendo was going from Smash 4 to Ultimate so they decided to give Pichu by far the MOST Smash 4 nerfs I've ever seen in this game period.
I don't see how idj or slingshot would make loops true. The issue with loops that make them not true is the fact that back air is very easy to sdi out of. If you have a video link of that version of loops that you say are true I would love to see but I have my doubts on if it is actually true.
@@Sh1v3rIZAE Pichu main here with minor local results. Pichu was absolutely busted on launch. The nerfs were overkill, but Pichu was seriously better than Pikachu.
Man as a Pichu main, I miss early Ultimate where he was considered one of the best characters, but regardless, I will always love the character, I really could care less what people think. I always had fun playing as this character and I even made my own Pichu oc cause of Smash, like I’m just careless lol.
I really liked the editing of this, but what really got me invested was the SpongeBob references, and of course Wario yelling every time he’s on screen. Thanks for making my day with this video!
I'd say "upper mid" is a pretty accurate placement in a game where many of its burgeoning cast of combatants fall somewhere in "mid". Yeah, he doesn't get away with the kinds of things the top tiers do, but most characters in the game don't. His damage is still high when not comparing him to Kazuya or Steve who get combos for free, and his mobility and frame data are still good compared to the more sluggish characters also sharing the mid tier with him.
His frame data is decent and I still consider his damage average, however, considering all his massive weaknesses, I would say he is not upper mid-tier. But like I said in the video, feel free to disagree! :)
Pichu never should've been nerfed at all. In an early meta where defensive play was less common and punishes were extremely unoptimized, of course a glass cannon is gonna be strong. The "glass" aspect isn't being abused! For all his flaws, Pichu deserved his extreme strength. Even if he had never been nerfed, I firmly believe he still would've dropped to mid-tier over time. Here's hoping he gets another chance in the next game (I know he probably won't though)
I think another thing that contributed to Pichu's inflated perception at the beginning of the game is that at the time, the advantage state of many characters were not nearly as optimized and players still didn't have the best idea of how Ultimate should be played. To put in perspective: Pichu was strong in the time era where people thought Game & Watch was low tier, and both Samus and Sonic were lower mid-tier at best. As the advantage state of other characters got better (or buffed from game updates), Pichu's own seemingly strong advantage state that got optimized fairly early on in the game become less and less impressive, while making it easier to abuse Pichu's glass-like attributes. Another thing to note is that Pichu's fall from the tier list wasn't immediate: it was gradual overtime, and quarantine was when the big dropoff of results truly happened. Pichu results was falling off even before the nerfs, which is why while the nerfs hurt, it wasn't as detrimental to Pichu's downfall as a lot of players think imo. I feel that the nerfs was timed at around the time players started to truly recognize the shortcomings of the character and the upsides of others, same with Olimar.
Thanks so much for the comment! I totally agree-defensive play, which Pichu has a difficult time against, was also under-developed so thats another factor that led to Pichu's inflated perception.
The nerfs made it so Pichu *kept* falling. Instead of an Inkling or Lucina where as the game stabilised they stayed great - just not top 3 - Pichu continued to plummet. Likely would have stopped if not for the nerfs.
Hey! I usually don't comment but just wanted to say that the editing in this video is excellent. You clearly put a lot of work into it and it shows. Looking forward to more content down the line :)
Pre-patch Pichu was straight up better than Pikachu, but the nerfs made it worse. The minimal recoil damage and strong forward tilt carried it, as well as being the smallest character prior to the hurtbox increase.
Pichu may have been gutted, but she's come back from far worse when nobody believed she would ever come back. She'll 100% be the best character next game.
I remember seeing a list of the lightest characters in smash ultimate and I got so shocked when i found out pichu was the lightest character and mewtwo and squirtle are also some of the lightest characters.
Yeah TH-cam recommended brought me here. This editing is way too damn good for you to have any less then at least 50k subscribers, and this dude is in the triple digits. I wish I could invest into this channel like a stock cuz man’s obviously funna make it.
Pichu's air drift is like Fine Its jump arc just looks messed up and NES-game-y because it has really high gravity relative to how much it can swerve left and right
@Spenkr Yeah, among the fastest Ultimate's air physics make fastfallers look funny a lot of the time I love seeing Mii Brawler's knockback smoke trail, that dude flies then swerves at a 90 degree angle while still in hitstun
Aside from all this what makes it worse is that all of his bad mus are super popular picks. Like you cant go anywhere and not have to fight a gnw, samus, snake or pac-man
I miss early ultimate Pichu. I played this character and wolf at the beginning of ultimate. It makes me really sad what they did to my old main. (Well one of them. Wolf is still great) Now I use wario. I still give this character a try every now and then
The editing was great and the information was captivating. Some of those 2 frame examples were tragic I underestimated how awful Pichus 2 frame animation is.
as someone getting back into smash after two years this is a great video for getting updated on pichus tier ranking, also i love your editing style it’s great
I still main pichu even after the nerfs. That little rodent is still absolutely broken if ur skilled enough, but we still naturally struggle against things that are just out of our control. Pichu has insanely high skill ceiling and can be absolutely lethal when you reach it. Pichu isn’t a bad character by any means, I still see a glimpse of pre patch whenever I play him.
Great editing dude! As a regular Pichu player, I'll say if his up b had I frames and less end lag, he would be a lot lot more viable. He's fun and hella cheesy, but not a good character at all.
"This character was considered bad until 1 person was good with them, then everyone agreed they were good" So tiers are absolute bullshit and inconsistent, as all it takes is 1 person to be bad/good for an entire community to flip their opinion on any character.
Another example is Mkleo with Joker or Byleth-opinions can be formed easily based on results, but I argue that even when Pichu had good results he still had major flaws as a character.
Tiers usually focus on what multiple players could get with a character based on their strengths and weaknesses compared to the rest of the cast (although Smash Ultimate is considered the most balanced game, so most to all the characters are somewhat viable). Little Mac's always been considered low tier due to his poor aerial abilities, despite Peanut placing decently well in some tournaments.
Pichu was my top in Melee, so I was happy as hell that he returned in Ultimate. I really can't disagree with your assessment of him, buuuut... I keep favoring him as my top just by virtue of my enjoyment playing the underdog! ...undermouse? I just wish they didn't change his duck animation. There's no bigger taunt in a fight than to fall asleep during it, and I drove people mad with it in Melee lol. I don't think I'm half bad with him despite being somewhere between casual and competitive. I can at least hold my own against better players. I'll likely never get into tournament-level play, though, since I just don't have the skill to play at that level nor the reaction time, but I will always enjoy casual play and helping friends who do join tournaments on the regular to practice.
great video! entertaining and informative been a pichu main since the game came out (pika main in smash 4, really dislike how pika plays in ultimate) and probably due to my autism he's basically the only character i can play with any sort of competence no matter how much i play others, he fits perfectly with how i play, so it's sad to see how he's fallen over time. i still believe that the only nerf he deserved was f tilt, and that he was never the best character, or even top 3. we just sucked at defense in early 2019 and over time he would've naturally fallen out of the meta. i can also 100% agree that pichu relies on cheese to win
As a Pichu main, you don’t really need to even press the b button all that much. His air attacks are pretty broken and greatly aid him in his combo game. Along with that, he can use side b or fair offstage for a free stock if a side smash or side tilt don’t work.
I just think that’s how pichu was always meant to be one of the hardest characters to get wins with his combo game is nuts but yah he’s supposed to be super light weight n hurt himself to prove if u can get wins u got skill. It’s just yah lotta folk won’t give u the props unless it’s in melee they are a character imma try in both games to get better at just to cheese on some folk
I meant Pichu can't autocancel forward air and back-air which are his forward pokes from a short hop because he falls too fast. But the other aerials he can-sorry about the confusion!
pichu with idj combos and short platform extensions can get 70% or even death ranging on the di, and up throw thunder confirms are true, just frame tight, but if you watch a nietono or naetoru vod they still kand it pretty conistsently. same with other thunder confirms just, depends on the ones ur talking about but raw up air thunder isnt true yea.
the up throw thunder segment is def misinformation tho, after labbing with training mod i can get it on bayo who has a frame 1 airdodge and is holding in, if the character is at 150+ the combo works pretty well even against frame 1 escape options, meaning theres an extra frame or two of leniency on frame 3 airdodgers, so its def something that can be consistent on the majority of the cast. i will say though if you try to land it at 120-140 with shorthop rar thunder its basically frame perfect to get it to work on frame 2 airdodgers let alone frame 1 escape options, but even then, still viable against the average character. lol
I mentioned this in a few other comments but what I meant to say is that he cannot auto-cancel his forward and back air from a short- hop, which are move that are crucial moves for his offense.
To be honest, in general, I prefer Pikachu, but in Ultimate, I prefer Pichu, even though he was destroyed after time, I love Pichu, and I will always think he's strong, but he's not as strong as he used to be, I hated it. , I wish that time of everyone hailing Pichu as a God would come back
Thanks for the comment :) Like I said, feel free to disagree! I've been playing against a Pichu expert for the games lifespan and this is the conclusion I came to.
I like to think that when Nintendo didn't want Pichu to be this Strong, It's like they was trying make things feel accurate. For example, Pichu is mostly the worst pokemon to use in most battles compared to his poor stats. It feels weird that even the weakest pokemon deserves this much potential. It feels inaccurate that Pichu is this much of beast when he's not a decent fighter in the original pokemon games, But at least Pichu is still fun to play within Mid Tier. Then again, This hurts to see a little creature suffer once more.
Hey thanks for commenting! It sucks that Pichu has a lot of his canonical weaknesses-Mewtwo is actually pretty heavy in the Pokemon games but is considered light-weight in smash so at least Pichu isn't EVEN worse than he is in his own game.
@@Spenkr Also I had this in my mind too, Isn't like Pichu a literally Baby? You can't really expect a Baby to win a match when someone is twice or three times their size or when they don't know about their surroundings and abilities.When it comes to Baby Pokemon, Some of them are not as good in many battles. It takes time to train Baby Pokemon into a form that makes them feel more suitable. Pichu is still practicing with his electricity which explains why he hurts himself due to recoils. This could also explain why Pichu has such poor stats, Because of new born or when being captured at the start of something.
This just goes to show how not playtesting changes can ruin a character. That 2 frame trick you showed nearly every character doing seems a little bit unfair to get hit by over and over to an extent where I'd consider it a game design problem. I never play ultimate, but with my knowledge of pvp games I can tell that a weakness that large would make a character unplayable for anyone not an expert. I will say while I do agree with your stance 100% with your excellent research be careful on using argumentative titles. If you aren't cautious you could upset someone on accident before they click on the video.
i can't believe i just came across this video. THIS is what I've been telling everyone the whole time. ill always love this little mid tier tho still main him to this day
I'm not exactly sure he is widely considered top 5, but before the game was released and in the early meta he was considered the best in the game or top 2.
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Pichu's model wasn't made bigger, it was that its hurtbox was increased to cover more of the character's ears.
Yes, you are correct about that. Sorry about the confusion!!
The ears hurtboxes were the most increased, but all of his other hurtboxes also got slightly increased.
which is frankly bullshit, his hitbox is basically Pikachu's size now
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy I'm pretty sure Pichu's hurtbox is bigger than Pikachu, so yeah.
@@psychicchicken5263 I just checked, Pikachu's hurtbox has practically none of the ears as part of it while Pichu's is nearly the entire thing
Honesty, I miss the era where pichu was considered one of the best characters in the game. Probably the most fun I had with smash ultimate and watching the scene
I agree, early Ultimate was a good time :)
He’s now a two time joke character. First in melee and second in ultimate. Pichu can’t catch a break from being an absolute joke.
Pichu IS still a perfect character, as his attacks are optimized, and he has been a cute character in general. ❤
@@colinjackson-xn9ro better than melee
Counterpoint: he's a good boy
He is indeed a good boy 😊
Wait... Wasn't Pichu a girl in Melee? 0_o
@@survivorofthecurse717pokemon have gender
It's a shame how bad Pichu got gutted. As someone who had a big attachment to Pichu as a little kid playing Melee, I was happy to see he was actually good very early on in Ultimate's life, and then this happens.
Yeah, It must've been exciting to see him perform so well in early Ultimate compared to his history in melee.
But I don’t get why pichu fans have to drop him if u where a real pichu enthusiast you’d know ur supposed to be playing with one of the lightest & hardest to use characters that should prove your skill doesn’t matter how gutted he was he’s always meant to be bottom of the barrel so u can prove how good of a player u are to get wins with such a trash character. Might be funny to laugh at characters getting rocked by pichu but it’s not as funny unless the character has some serious set backs
All they needed to do was nerf his side tilt but they decided to massacre my poor boy instead
Pichu's mobility overall isn't still very good, but the funny thing is that Pichu's aerial mobility is actually much better than Pikachu's. And you might say that him being a fast faller might be a detriment, but that mostly goes for him being offstage. If anything, it helps him transition from the air to ground when he's mashing short-hop aerials with his non-electrical moves. And consider the fact that Pichu has more autocancelling opportunities as far as his frame data goes.
Very insightful! His fast falling does help with him offensively.
Pichu’s air mobility feels more fun than Pikachu’s IMO.
You've heard of Detective Pikachu, but get ready for *Defective Pikachu*
Haha good one! 😆
Why does this guy have so few views and subs like he has entertaining, well-edited, and informative content
Thanks so much for the support on all my content!
He started 1 month ago. Give the man some time, mate.
That is a great question
I honestly didn't expect someone with such little subscribers to have Albino level edits but here we are.
But I'm here to correct a thing from this video, as I used to main Pichu myself.
1. Loops are actually true, the old traditional ones aren't unless you're doing it on a character with a f4 airdodge or no disadvantage options. However there is use for Utilt, Slingshot IDJ delayed bair which actually makes the loops true from Pichu himself to Bowser. Although I still somewhat struggle to do it consitently.
And I do heavily agree with what you said about the nerfs, they should've never nerfed Pichu in the first place, people SAY he was really broken in 1.0.0 but it was just a huge anti-Pichu circlejerk that would later be accepted as "Fact". 2018 December was the same era where mfs would literally say they couldn't ledge trap Chrom because his up b could suck you in and spike you, and it didn't help that Nintendo was going from Smash 4 to Ultimate so they decided to give Pichu by far the MOST Smash 4 nerfs I've ever seen in this game period.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!! 😊 Also thanks for the correction I did not know that!
I don't see how idj or slingshot would make loops true. The issue with loops that make them not true is the fact that back air is very easy to sdi out of. If you have a video link of that version of loops that you say are true I would love to see but I have my doubts on if it is actually true.
@@jintuschu Give me a second I'll post a clip of it on my youtube.
@@Sh1v3rIZAE Pichu main here with minor local results. Pichu was absolutely busted on launch. The nerfs were overkill, but Pichu was seriously better than Pikachu.
Man as a Pichu main, I miss early Ultimate where he was considered one of the best characters, but regardless, I will always love the character, I really could care less what people think. I always had fun playing as this character and I even made my own Pichu oc cause of Smash, like I’m just careless lol.
As long as you enjoy playing the game, who cares!
True, but no matter how hard Sakurai tries, he will never be able to nerf Pichu's cuteness.
TRUEEEEEEE
I really liked the editing of this, but what really got me invested was the SpongeBob references, and of course Wario yelling every time he’s on screen.
Thanks for making my day with this video!
Thanks!!! This comment made my day as well :)
I'd say "upper mid" is a pretty accurate placement in a game where many of its burgeoning cast of combatants fall somewhere in "mid". Yeah, he doesn't get away with the kinds of things the top tiers do, but most characters in the game don't. His damage is still high when not comparing him to Kazuya or Steve who get combos for free, and his mobility and frame data are still good compared to the more sluggish characters also sharing the mid tier with him.
His frame data is decent and I still consider his damage average, however, considering all his massive weaknesses, I would say he is not upper mid-tier. But like I said in the video, feel free to disagree! :)
Pichu never should've been nerfed at all. In an early meta where defensive play was less common and punishes were extremely unoptimized, of course a glass cannon is gonna be strong. The "glass" aspect isn't being abused! For all his flaws, Pichu deserved his extreme strength. Even if he had never been nerfed, I firmly believe he still would've dropped to mid-tier over time. Here's hoping he gets another chance in the next game (I know he probably won't though)
Thanks for the comment!! Pichu is just straight up glass lol
It was very annoying
I think another thing that contributed to Pichu's inflated perception at the beginning of the game is that at the time, the advantage state of many characters were not nearly as optimized and players still didn't have the best idea of how Ultimate should be played. To put in perspective: Pichu was strong in the time era where people thought Game & Watch was low tier, and both Samus and Sonic were lower mid-tier at best. As the advantage state of other characters got better (or buffed from game updates), Pichu's own seemingly strong advantage state that got optimized fairly early on in the game become less and less impressive, while making it easier to abuse Pichu's glass-like attributes.
Another thing to note is that Pichu's fall from the tier list wasn't immediate: it was gradual overtime, and quarantine was when the big dropoff of results truly happened. Pichu results was falling off even before the nerfs, which is why while the nerfs hurt, it wasn't as detrimental to Pichu's downfall as a lot of players think imo. I feel that the nerfs was timed at around the time players started to truly recognize the shortcomings of the character and the upsides of others, same with Olimar.
Thanks so much for the comment! I totally agree-defensive play, which Pichu has a difficult time against, was also under-developed so thats another factor that led to Pichu's inflated perception.
The nerfs made it so Pichu *kept* falling. Instead of an Inkling or Lucina where as the game stabilised they stayed great - just not top 3 - Pichu continued to plummet. Likely would have stopped if not for the nerfs.
How'd you learn to edit so well?
Making videos has been a hobby of mine for a long time. I've also self taught myself throughout the years!
Hey! I usually don't comment but just wanted to say that the editing in this video is excellent. You clearly put a lot of work into it and it shows. Looking forward to more content down the line :)
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment! It truly means a lot :)
Good argument
However:
Nuh-uh
Very solid points there 🧐
Pre-patch Pichu was straight up better than Pikachu, but the nerfs made it worse. The minimal recoil damage and strong forward tilt carried it, as well as being the smallest character prior to the hurtbox increase.
Yup! Pre-patch forward tilt was so strong lol
And yet, I still have PTSD over how this little demon was in vanilla Ult
Don't worry, pre-patch f-tilt also gives me PTSD
No, Pichu is about as bad as I thought.
It was the only character I had to switch to stamina battles in order to get into Elite Smash.
nice video bro good thing you have your brother who eloquently expresses their feelings on pichu
Thank you! Yes, I have access to a constant stream of information on all of Pichu's flaws-it's wonderful!
Pichu may have been gutted, but she's come back from far worse when nobody believed she would ever come back.
She'll 100% be the best character next game.
Sadly I doubt Pichu will be in the next game, since it’s only in Ultimate because of the “everyone is here” tagline.
@@oyeh8908 yeah I know, but I have some slight hope.
I remember seeing a list of the lightest characters in smash ultimate and I got so shocked when i found out pichu was the lightest character and mewtwo and squirtle are also some of the lightest characters.
It's also crazy that Sephiroth is as light as Kirby too!
This guy is easily a 500k kinda youtuber. The editing and commentary is really good.
Thanks so much for the compliment!! I truly appreciate it :)
Yeah TH-cam recommended brought me here. This editing is way too damn good for you to have any less then at least 50k subscribers, and this dude is in the triple digits. I wish I could invest into this channel like a stock cuz man’s obviously funna make it.
Hey thanks so much for the support! I really appreciate it :)
Pichu's air drift is like
Fine
Its jump arc just looks messed up and NES-game-y because it has really high gravity relative to how much it can swerve left and right
Yeah, because Pichu is a fast faller, it makes things look and feel weird
@Spenkr Yeah, among the fastest
Ultimate's air physics make fastfallers look funny a lot of the time
I love seeing Mii Brawler's knockback smoke trail, that dude flies then swerves at a 90 degree angle while still in hitstun
Aside from all this what makes it worse is that all of his bad mus are super popular picks. Like you cant go anywhere and not have to fight a gnw, samus, snake or pac-man
Very true!!
I miss early ultimate Pichu. I played this character and wolf at the beginning of ultimate. It makes me really sad what they did to my old main. (Well one of them. Wolf is still great)
Now I use wario. I still give this character a try every now and then
Yeah I can also confirm that Wolf is still a great character!!
I always thought that the recoil for electric attacks was stupid but hey shouldn't the lessened weight and hurtbox be already enough of a drawback?
Exactly! Self-damage + light weight is not really a combination for a strong character.
@@Spenkr and also for more accuracy to the games as electric moves besides wild charge and volt tackle don't harm it
The editing was great and the information was captivating. Some of those 2 frame examples were tragic I underestimated how awful Pichus 2 frame animation is.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!!! I had a lot of other examples for the Pichu 2-frames but I wanted to keep it concise haha.
As a pichu main, i have decided to call this video bad without watching it
Pichu is SS tier in melee btw
My biggest gripe with Pichu is how he’s a character who’s already easy to KO and the fact he damages himself doesn’t help him
Yeah it's quite ironic
I really wish they didn't nerf Pichu. Yes. F-tilt was crazy but it's freaking Pichu. He needed something like that in order to not be utter trash
Yeah, out of all his nerfs the F-tilt nerf was really bad for Pichu.
as someone getting back into smash after two years this is a great video for getting updated on pichus tier ranking, also i love your editing style it’s great
Thanks for the comment! Glad I could help :)
The editing and presentation of these videos is SUPER impressive for a new channel! I look forward to seeing you grow as a creator! 👀
Hey thanks so much for the comment!! More videos are on the way so stay tuned :)
as great as this video is, i probably still wouldn’t be able to convince my sister that he’s not a good character to play
Glad you liked the video!! Good luck convincing your sister tho 😅
My nephew said to me Kirby was the best in the game for like 4 years before he was like. Ok no the fuck he isn't.
@@Spenkri don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon lol but if she’s happy then im fine with that
@@denjias Yeah, no character is that atrocious in Ult anyways
Love the editing, although I wouldn’t say pikachu fell off nearly as hard as you’ve implied.
Thanks for the comment! I mostly meant that he isn't perceived as a top tier anymore, but Pikachu is still a great character so I can see your point!
I still main pichu even after the nerfs. That little rodent is still absolutely broken if ur skilled enough, but we still naturally struggle against things that are just out of our control. Pichu has insanely high skill ceiling and can be absolutely lethal when you reach it. Pichu isn’t a bad character by any means, I still see a glimpse of pre patch whenever I play him.
Great editing dude!
As a regular Pichu player, I'll say if his up b had I frames and less end lag, he would be a lot lot more viable. He's fun and hella cheesy, but not a good character at all.
Thanks for the comment! I totally agree :)
I’m glad I came across this video. This is so well done! I can’t wait to see where this channel goes!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!! Stay tuned for more videos :)
The lack of subs on this channel IS CRIMINAL
Thanks so much man!!!
Hold up: How're you going to tell me there's an OFFICIAL tier list?
Yeah! it was made by Start.gg a while ago
I'm genuinely still pissed about the nerfs to her and the only nerf pikachu got was to it's fair by accident
Yeah I totally forgot about that random nerf lol
@@Spenkr how the mighty have fallen I suppose... even without the nerfs I'm highly skeptical if she'd really be broken still
"This character was considered bad until 1 person was good with them, then everyone agreed they were good" So tiers are absolute bullshit and inconsistent, as all it takes is 1 person to be bad/good for an entire community to flip their opinion on any character.
Another example is Mkleo with Joker or Byleth-opinions can be formed easily based on results, but I argue that even when Pichu had good results he still had major flaws as a character.
Tiers usually focus on what multiple players could get with a character based on their strengths and weaknesses compared to the rest of the cast (although Smash Ultimate is considered the most balanced game, so most to all the characters are somewhat viable). Little Mac's always been considered low tier due to his poor aerial abilities, despite Peanut placing decently well in some tournaments.
I don’t see you questioning how Yoshi rose up the Melee tier list 🤨
compared to its melee self though
i dont think so
Pichu was my top in Melee, so I was happy as hell that he returned in Ultimate. I really can't disagree with your assessment of him, buuuut... I keep favoring him as my top just by virtue of my enjoyment playing the underdog! ...undermouse?
I just wish they didn't change his duck animation. There's no bigger taunt in a fight than to fall asleep during it, and I drove people mad with it in Melee lol.
I don't think I'm half bad with him despite being somewhere between casual and competitive. I can at least hold my own against better players. I'll likely never get into tournament-level play, though, since I just don't have the skill to play at that level nor the reaction time, but I will always enjoy casual play and helping friends who do join tournaments on the regular to practice.
Thanks for commenting! All that really matters is if you have fun with the character, so I'm glad you enjoy being the undermouse!
great video! entertaining and informative
been a pichu main since the game came out (pika main in smash 4, really dislike how pika plays in ultimate) and probably due to my autism he's basically the only character i can play with any sort of competence no matter how much i play others, he fits perfectly with how i play, so it's sad to see how he's fallen over time. i still believe that the only nerf he deserved was f tilt, and that he was never the best character, or even top 3. we just sucked at defense in early 2019 and over time he would've naturally fallen out of the meta.
i can also 100% agree that pichu relies on cheese to win
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the comment!!
I've seen too many people that think Pichu is still broken when he's one of the worst characters
okay but like it's pichu
Very true :)
i love how active u r with ur comments, much love and appreciation
Thank you! School has been busy but I think a new video is coming soon :)
@@Spenkryay! i hope school has been going well for you c:
@@CubeItself I feel like I've been a lot more productive this semester! Thanks for the support!
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As a Pichu main, you don’t really need to even press the b button all that much. His air attacks are pretty broken and greatly aid him in his combo game. Along with that, he can use side b or fair offstage for a free stock if a side smash or side tilt don’t work.
is everything you said true? yes
are there enough reasons not to play pichu? yes
will i stop playing pichu? no, he smol
Don't let me stop you from playing Pichu!! Character strength doesn't matter as long as you have fun with them :)
nice, now i can go back to blaming the character instead of myself
Haha, I'm glad I could help!
Rising yoshi nair😭😭😭
Yeah, that was one of the more depressing 2-frames 😭😭
I just think that’s how pichu was always meant to be one of the hardest characters to get wins with his combo game is nuts but yah he’s supposed to be super light weight n hurt himself to prove if u can get wins u got skill. It’s just yah lotta folk won’t give u the props unless it’s in melee they are a character imma try in both games to get better at just to cheese on some folk
The editing in this video is glorious I love it
Thank you so much!! :)
TALK TO EM!
Yessir!!!
Christ the editing is good
Thank you!!! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :)
wtf this channel only has 454 subs this editing is insane
Thanks! A new video is almost done so stay tuned :)
This was a nice video, however, I’m confused as to what you mean by saying Pichu can’t autocancel his aerials when to my knowledge all of them do.
I meant Pichu can't autocancel forward air and back-air which are his forward pokes from a short hop because he falls too fast. But the other aerials he can-sorry about the confusion!
@@Spenkr Ah I see, you’re correct about that I believe. I think those two only autocancel on full hop. Thanks for the reply!
Bro is doing some of the best smash ultimate content
Thank you so much for the support!! I really appreciate it :)
As a Pichu main, this is sad news.
I have an immense respect for Pichu mains. My condolences 😔
pichu with idj combos and short platform extensions can get 70% or even death ranging on the di, and up throw thunder confirms are true, just frame tight, but if you watch a nietono or naetoru vod they still kand it pretty conistsently. same with other thunder confirms just, depends on the ones ur talking about but raw up air thunder isnt true yea.
the up throw thunder segment is def misinformation tho, after labbing with training mod i can get it on bayo who has a frame 1 airdodge and is holding in, if the character is at 150+ the combo works pretty well even against frame 1 escape options, meaning theres an extra frame or two of leniency on frame 3 airdodgers, so its def something that can be consistent on the majority of the cast.
i will say though if you try to land it at 120-140 with shorthop rar thunder its basically frame perfect to get it to work on frame 2 airdodgers let alone frame 1 escape options, but even then, still viable against the average character. lol
lmao could not have waited one millisecond just instanerf pichu. ok lol
i was a pichu main until 2 months ago. tried pikachu and fell in love
Tier lists don't always matter as long as you enjoy playing a character!
What's the font called you used?
VCR OSD MONO
@@Spenkr Thank you!
@@SonicNotSonicTheHedgehog No problem!
one time I somehow got to 200% with pichu and didn't die XD
A sneeze would've knocked you out 😂
@@Spenkr you're right Xd, I won too
Actually the only aerial he is able to cancel is down air
I mentioned this in a few other comments but what I meant to say is that he cannot auto-cancel his forward and back air from a short- hop, which are move that are crucial moves for his offense.
Great video! As a former Pichu main, I think he is bottom 5 right now
Thanks!! :)
Former? Why have you abandoned us
To be honest, in general, I prefer Pikachu, but in Ultimate, I prefer Pichu, even though he was destroyed after time, I love Pichu, and I will always think he's strong, but he's not as strong as he used to be, I hated it. , I wish that time of everyone hailing Pichu as a God would come back
All hail Pichu
I’m not competitive. I just wish I could make him usable. I’m so bad at the game…
Keep trying and you'll improve!! You got this :)
Pichu is better than you think 😳 he had a lot of tech you didn’t cover and has some of the best mix ups
Thanks for the comment :) Like I said, feel free to disagree! I've been playing against a Pichu expert for the games lifespan and this is the conclusion I came to.
i disagree with pretty much everything in this video but it was made really well. Amazing editing and delivery, good job man
Glad you enjoyed the video despite disagreeing-I appreciate it!!
What?!💀
So is Pichu low tier iyo?
Probably a high low tier! Pichu isn't completely garbage but I think a lot of people have the wrong idea about him.
Another absolute gem of a video that's under rated, great job!
Thank you so much!!
The is editing is honestly really good and funny 😂 definitely subbing 👍❤
I'm glad you enjoyed!! Thanks for the support :)
pichu was a mistake
I like to think that when Nintendo didn't want Pichu to be this Strong, It's like they was trying make things feel accurate. For example, Pichu is mostly the worst pokemon to use in most battles compared to his poor stats. It feels weird that even the weakest pokemon deserves this much potential. It feels inaccurate that Pichu is this much of beast when he's not a decent fighter in the original pokemon games, But at least Pichu is still fun to play within Mid Tier.
Then again, This hurts to see a little creature suffer once more.
Hey thanks for commenting! It sucks that Pichu has a lot of his canonical weaknesses-Mewtwo is actually pretty heavy in the Pokemon games but is considered light-weight in smash so at least Pichu isn't EVEN worse than he is in his own game.
@@Spenkr Also I had this in my mind too, Isn't like Pichu a literally Baby? You can't really expect a Baby to win a match when someone is twice or three times their size or when they don't know about their surroundings and abilities.When it comes to Baby Pokemon, Some of them are not as good in many battles. It takes time to train Baby Pokemon into a form that makes them feel more suitable. Pichu is still practicing with his electricity which explains why he hurts himself due to recoils. This could also explain why Pichu has such poor stats, Because of new born or when being captured at the start of something.
This just goes to show how not playtesting changes can ruin a character. That 2 frame trick you showed nearly every character doing seems a little bit unfair to get hit by over and over to an extent where I'd consider it a game design problem. I never play ultimate, but with my knowledge of pvp games I can tell that a weakness that large would make a character unplayable for anyone not an expert.
I will say while I do agree with your stance 100% with your excellent research be careful on using argumentative titles. If you aren't cautious you could upset someone on accident before they click on the video.
Thanks for your insight!!!
Now he’s a joke character again. Like in melee.
as a pichu main, this is all true
great video
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Pichu is one of my favorite characters and despite him being bad I still like him
Yeah! Characters don't need to be top tier in order for people to enjoy them :)
Fantabulous video my good sir
Thank you my good sir!! :D
pikachu is still S tier wdym
I think I was trying to say that Pikachu isn't as dominant in the meta as people initially thought. He is still a great character!
@@Spenkr ok i can life with that
i could care less about how bad he is im still gonna main him
As long as you have fun with the character! 😄
i can't believe i just came across this video. THIS is what I've been telling everyone the whole time. ill always love this little mid tier tho still main him to this day
Glad you enjoyed the video!!
Disagree he’s cute so argument invalidated
Extremely solid counterargument!! 😌
In my smash friend group we all agree pichu is the worst character in the game
You got a group of intelligent friends haha!
I thought pikachu is still considered a top tier and a top 5 character
I'm not exactly sure he is widely considered top 5, but before the game was released and in the early meta he was considered the best in the game or top 2.
Editing rocks bro great vid
Thank you so much for the support!
good vid i ate ice cream watching this good times
Glad you enjoyed the video! I hope the ice cream was good too :)
keep up the good shit, this was extremely enjoyable to watch
love playing pichu though
Thanks for the support!! :)
pichu might suck, but he's still bestest of boys ):
Very true he is a good boi!
holy shit i had a cameo in a spenkr video ive made it
Honored to have you featured in the video 😎😎
But But Ultimate is BalAnCEd!!!
It's pretty balanced, but no game is perfect!
I just saw the tier list and I normally main Joker, Ludwig/Lemmy, and Mii Brawler (Bomberman) but I think ima stick to Joker now ☝️😋
Good choice! But sad to hear you dropped Bomberman D:
why doesnt this guy have more subscribers?? oh right…im supposed to click the button for that
+1
Thank you for subscribing!!! I truly appreciate the support :)
I understand where your coming from but like you said at the end I'ma agree to disagree I'm still maining pichu
That's perfectly fine!!
love pichu he epic
Pichu is in fact epic tho!
Yet there's still gonna be (Ness) players that cry about how easy and good Pichu is
Based off my experience, Pichu does horribly against Ness, so that would really suck lol!