You can use some long range and fast specials during the white flash when yggdrasil ends to punish the recovery from far away. I think Katalina only gets an ex fireball, but moves about as fast as Ladiva's skybound art work as a punish
Thank you very much for this video HiFight! Especially for the part where you explain that even after training, this Super Skybound is still dangerous, and it's still difficult to react to everything perfectly, especially if the Lowain player is aiming to mess you up. I agree that the developers wanted to make this a viable super, and not one you can lab out in 10 minutes and neuter completely. That said, I feel like people tend to overfocus on Yggdrasil. Personally I think Lowain's neutral is kind of lacking, so his gameplan is actually designed around keeping the games close with his skybound and super skybound.
I saw a tournament with very good fighting game players and Iggy was always a terror. The only time she didn't come out was in a lowain mirror. Thank you for the guide.
I think the giant mommy waifus only nerf would be that Lil wayne should only get her at 10%. Otherwise i think she's about as fair as anime can get. It's not total robbery like Dark Phoenix. Its just casino time.
Dark Phoenix had a many drawbacks, first, you needed 5 levels, activation could be avoided by stealing metre, activation was not triggered by the player, she could be switched in to be killed early, when on, she could be hit and killed with a regular air combo. After a while, players developed strategies to make her irrelevant. I will always remember Age-something who used Frank West and caught her with an X-Factor cancel to Super. He could control it. She fell off the top characters pretty fast to make way for Morrigan. Building metre in seconds, stayed powered up forever while chipping your bars away. And she could steal metre to cancel Dark Phoenix. Man I gotta see these matches again :D
@@ekx5120 All of this was true except the fact that Phoenix was definitely still a major threat throughout the game's life and was never irrelevant. Plenty of top players had a Phoenix team late in the game.
@@ekx5120 oh your talking about Agejoe. The Frank west anti air unlockable setup. I still think she is dark Phoenix was busted and that will never change. Honestly, no game should ever have X- Factor or something similar again.
@@ekx5120 Dark Pheonix was worst in Vanilla lifespan when setups for insta-killing her on transform weren't discovered (or didn't exist?). The problem was that even if she could be oneshotted by any character with a basic combo, it didn't really matter since her hitboxes made her basically untouchable. Was like fighting ST Akuma.
To be honest I wanted to use him for his personality. Thanks for the heads up on yggdrisel, I sent this video to my friends so hopefully it's not a stomp when I use her.
I think it's an annoying super, but it's not that bad. The dumb part is the recovery. It should have long enough recovery that you can get a guaranteed punish if you survive Yggy and are like half screen or closer.
It would make a lot of sense if, after recovery, he was standing while asleep for a few seconds. It was all a dream that they befriended Yggy, anyway. No idea how they didn't think to do that.
I feel like the punish recovery should be made like 3x longer. If you managed to survive and somehow be close to lowain, he should be vulnerable for longer. Right now there are barely any downsides to just using this every match.
Yikes... Haven't played this game yet but reminds me of the first time I saw Dark Phoenix and was just like "Who TF thought this was a good idea to put in a fighting game?" I can't imagine how frustrating this must be online with lag.
I've seen some people hit Yggdrasil with jump normals that not only keep them airborne with hitstop, it also seems to burn a bit more Yggdrasil time since she gets stuck in armor lock. I don't know how viable of an option this is, maybe something you can experiment and add to this vid if you feel like it?
@Daichi Zken' I don't know anymore. I've been playing Lowain and Zeta since I got the game and it's weird. With Zeta I just run forward and roll. It's good because of her range since she can still punish the super ending from a safe distance. I still haven't figured it all out or a perfect answer to most if Yggy's attacks though
Changing the lavas time to have a build up instead of being almost instant could break the timings of it be unblockable, I can actually see yggdrasil making for a fun challenge but most dont have the reaction time of that lava and because of it also being unblockable, leaves for easy spamming of it
When playing Ferry there is a some space where you can swing and when you're swinging from that space nothing can hit you, but you might get hit by the lava when you fall so you just become a drill and hope your opponent misses the timing because of that. Ygg is pretty frustrating but if you get into your opponents rhythm you can probably survive it.
Just from a trailer of Lowain, i coulda tell that character will be 1st to on a nerf list. (Maybe) However, on every different atack Ygg has a specific hand movement. And it's easy to see when on what atack the animation starts (Atleast for me). So If you can read fast, Ygg shouldn't be much of a problem. Other than that, practice makes perfect.
You should AT LEAST be able to ko during this If you can stop ultra supers or whatever in most fighting games I think this should apply too It's just a transformation technically So they should be able to KO
I mean, in universe, it makes sense. You're fighting *Lowain*, Yggdrasil just comes in to help out some bros. Really, attacking Yggdrasil shouldn't do anything, Lowain's just sorta watching giant tree mom smack you around, why would attacking Yggdrasil ko him?
Regardless of its strength or of someone's ability to know how to dodge everything and execute it properly(ignoring delays) , Yggdrasil is still simply an anti-fun gimmick that shouldn't exist. VS a perfect player you're still at worst delaying the game unnecessarily.
I hope too, i kinda want to see more of this kind of stuff in the future of fighting game. We had the same archetype for char for so long that i just want to see more stupid unexpected stuff like this that completely changes the game
you need be a super player to complete the mini gam eand the other only need smahs bottons? balqance? no for sure no is balanced, nerf the dmg and make more easy to complete , you can lose to that ulti anyway you have 100 hp
I'll be honest Lowmein is looking like babies first barrier character, they just need tweak him in that direction. A combination of the following are honestly all that needs to be fixed - 1. Her meter needs to burn out quicker or be used more depending upon the attack (You would think they'd know better at this point) 2. Scale back the chip damage you get from lightning. 3. Damaging her gets rid of some of her meter, if Lowmein loses all his health before she desummons then he dies when it's done. 4. Remove unblockable damage, allow for chip done by her to not exist until Lowmein manages to actually hit you himself 5. The lower her meter the less damage you take. 6. A longer activation time, and a better rule-set for summoning Waifu(Think Phoenix Wright Evidence from MvC3) I'll be honest, the only reason Low get's this oppressive waifu is because they realize he's kind of on the weak-side and tries to force the match into sudden death which is a game plan akin to turtling which has never received a good reputation ever.
I really wanted to main Lowen because he seemed funny and entertaining but now that he is op as hell and will be seen nonstop in online I guess I will go with Ferry.
Lol OK they either need to nerf its damage or make some of the unblock able stuff slower. Edit: and nerf the chip for goodness sakes. That's just overdoing it. Well assuming the chip makes up for the fact that u can evade his super to avoid taking damage, they should make them a bit more reactable I think. Give them more state up to give more time to react.
@@dappercrow8138 Honestly a better idea would be nerfing the earth pillars to not deal any pushback when hitting block so that way if you manage to read it up close you'll be able to get a sweet juicy punish no matter what by the end
this gimmick is kind of like Dark Phoenix mode in MVC3 in a way. especially with set ups that seem pretty much unavoidable. a good player with Phoenix can do a gnarly "full screen of projectiles" set up that i was on the receiving end of one time at a local tournament.
its pretty similar, but the biggest problem with phoenix was the x factor, because it would basically stop her life from draining and maker her even faster and ridiculously damaging. still not being able to ko in this install is pretty unfair haha
@@AlynRapi i forgot to mention X factor, that was what made fights against good players with her quite ridiculous. and i can understand not being able to ko the install as the entire point of it is a last ditch effort to win. in the situation presented in this video, getting a hit at all would be due to either great skill in spacing and evasion or the Lowain player does not know what they are doing/isnt trying. now if the time limit of the mode was as long as this video makes it feel then that would be ridiculous! but it seems to be rather short, in the heat of the moment though its going to feel like an eternity. lol
Lowain and the dudebros are the only other character to summon primal beasts. ...and Katalina in a finisher. ...okay a lot of characters can in the lore.
If only they just made it so you can actually beat the character while Yggdrasil is up. That way it isn't a frame 1 invincible "I get to chip you to my health level for free" button.
I feel they are going to nerf her, either they will make the lava blockable, make Lowain killable during it or that if you damage her that greatly reduce her satying time. Inb4 the complaints and salt are so much they use all of the above.
Lowain pretty much is the definition of having the power of god and anime on your side
he's also the "me and the boys" character. So lots of meme in one character i love it.
@@shivablack2832 His victory screens by themselves are enough to consider maining him (if I can ever get this)
@@FridgedOtter People have joked that skipping the intros and endings of Lowain in a tournament should be grounds for disqualification.
Did....did they pull inspiration from a meme, do you think?
Wantedlemon Hahaha yes that’s it exactly.
Lowain is basically the Saitama team in OPM HNB, he's just buying time until Yggdrasil arrives
Yeah, that is pretty accurate.
Daubeny: "What!? fight her? That's not a mini-game, that's an execution!"
unexpected for honor
FOR HONOR
why is this here LOL
"Then fight her second."
@@mr.hippopotamus1792
Yo! Yo bro! You're gonna be my "second" or whatever, 'kay?
Imagine dodging lava by moving your shoulder while standing on it.
Problem is in real life people forget it and just panic as lava consumes them.
@@StridBR SMH if only the world just spot dodged Covid 19
@@mitzi3262 Did you mean backdashing? Stay out of normals range, gotta enforce that social distancing.
Floor is lava
matchup is lava.
wifi lowain is ss tier
good stuff as usual
"Or become a Lowain main"
WELCOME TO THE BROFAM, BRO!
DESUYONEEEE
Praise Yggu mama
Offline you can react to everything by observing her arms.
Axel Morales good point they are very telling movements
You might have just saved my life
Now they knew damn well this OP asf
You can use some long range and fast specials during the white flash when yggdrasil ends to punish the recovery from far away. I think Katalina only gets an ex fireball, but moves about as fast as Ladiva's skybound art work as a punish
"How to deal with Yggdrasil"
You mean other than crying?
Just Block
@@bjap1563 I don't think u can block the lava attack
Only Sakonoko is so calm that he laughs after losing to her
Not even playing as Lowain will save you from Lowain...
actually yes, counter the super with your super
Thanks for creating this
milo-madds mali stfu
@@neokyo2k ???????
Lol I’m just trolling Milo is my nigga
When you try to escape Leeroy and try a new game:
Hey, he's not that OP, I should just learn the match up.
Lmao
But tbh, face this mini game is more fun than face Leeroy over and over.
Leroy been nerfed
@@mysterymaster180 sadly still the best T7 character by far
he's just not "im going to pick leroy the moment I enter evo" levels of broken anymore
@@connfeebruh9439 you're right about that, but at least he was toned down a little and will probably be nerfed furthermore leading up to Fuhkamram
Leeroy from wich game?
And online with delay its probably even harder ( I mean you can practice with delay but thats a shame) . The labs gonna be fuming in march for me.
Yggdrasil holding up the bros and smiling at them is some wholesome shit
Thank you very much for this video HiFight! Especially for the part where you explain that even after training, this Super Skybound is still dangerous, and it's still difficult to react to everything perfectly, especially if the Lowain player is aiming to mess you up. I agree that the developers wanted to make this a viable super, and not one you can lab out in 10 minutes and neuter completely.
That said, I feel like people tend to overfocus on Yggdrasil. Personally I think Lowain's neutral is kind of lacking, so his gameplan is actually designed around keeping the games close with his skybound and super skybound.
How to deal with Yggdrasil.
You don't.
Correction . How to deal with Yggdrasil ONLINE ?
@@nazrulazli5392 true but yggdrasil is dangerous overall.
I saw a tournament with very good fighting game players and Iggy was always a terror. The only time she didn't come out was in a lowain mirror. Thank you for the guide.
I don't think that people understand that because of this super, Lowain is going to be a character that literally everyone knows the match up for.
I think the giant mommy waifus only nerf would be that Lil wayne should only get her at 10%.
Otherwise i think she's about as fair as anime can get. It's not total robbery like Dark Phoenix.
Its just casino time.
Dark Phoenix had a many drawbacks, first, you needed 5 levels, activation could be avoided by stealing metre, activation was not triggered by the player, she could be switched in to be killed early, when on, she could be hit and killed with a regular air combo. After a while, players developed strategies to make her irrelevant. I will always remember Age-something who used Frank West and caught her with an X-Factor cancel to Super. He could control it. She fell off the top characters pretty fast to make way for Morrigan. Building metre in seconds, stayed powered up forever while chipping your bars away. And she could steal metre to cancel Dark Phoenix. Man I gotta see these matches again :D
Nah, this probably just as bad because its almost Guaranteed every round and there's literally nothing you can do but run and dodge until it runs out.
@@ekx5120 All of this was true except the fact that Phoenix was definitely still a major threat throughout the game's life and was never irrelevant. Plenty of top players had a Phoenix team late in the game.
@@ekx5120 oh your talking about Agejoe. The Frank west anti air unlockable setup. I still think she is dark Phoenix was busted and that will never change. Honestly, no game should ever have X- Factor or something similar again.
@@ekx5120 Dark Pheonix was worst in Vanilla lifespan when setups for insta-killing her on transform weren't discovered (or didn't exist?). The problem was that even if she could be oneshotted by any character with a basic combo, it didn't really matter since her hitboxes made her basically untouchable. Was like fighting ST Akuma.
Good luck doing that on 7 frames delay
just adapt 4head
If you played umvc3 online I think you’ll be more than fine :y
RicksterLPs LOL
well.. i always played guilty gear with 11 frames delay
It’s really that hard. Just have to practice how you dodge.
All I'm getting from this is "Oshito shio batare!" LOL
I feel like becoming lowain main is the darkside or should i saay THE WAYEEHHHH SIDE
To be honest I wanted to use him for his personality. Thanks for the heads up on yggdrisel, I sent this video to my friends so hopefully it's not a stomp when I use her.
I think it's an annoying super, but it's not that bad. The dumb part is the recovery. It should have long enough recovery that you can get a guaranteed punish if you survive Yggy and are like half screen or closer.
John Shepard exactly
Like him collapsing to one knee, yeah
It would make a lot of sense if, after recovery, he was standing while asleep for a few seconds. It was all a dream that they befriended Yggy, anyway. No idea how they didn't think to do that.
I feel like the punish recovery should be made like 3x longer. If you managed to survive and somehow be close to lowain, he should be vulnerable for longer. Right now there are barely any downsides to just using this every match.
Yikes... Haven't played this game yet but reminds me of the first time I saw Dark Phoenix and was just like "Who TF thought this was a good idea to put in a fighting game?" I can't imagine how frustrating this must be online with lag.
I've seen some people hit Yggdrasil with jump normals that not only keep them airborne with hitstop, it also seems to burn a bit more Yggdrasil time since she gets stuck in armor lock. I don't know how viable of an option this is, maybe something you can experiment and add to this vid if you feel like it?
Haven't played yet so I don't know the mechanics but Wouldn't that be more risky due to having more landing recovery than empty jumping?
I wonder if Zeta could just pogo stick over Yggdrasil
@@DXYS95 I'm assuming the homing fireball would hit you or the lightning would drag you back
@Daichi Zken' I don't know anymore. I've been playing Lowain and Zeta since I got the game and it's weird. With Zeta I just run forward and roll. It's good because of her range since she can still punish the super ending from a safe distance. I still haven't figured it all out or a perfect answer to most if Yggy's attacks though
There's already plenty of references for Scrubquote to cite in the comments
Changing the lavas time to have a build up instead of being almost instant could break the timings of it be unblockable, I can actually see yggdrasil making for a fun challenge but most dont have the reaction time of that lava and because of it also being unblockable, leaves for easy spamming of it
Lava is visually reactable
Nice guides bro, very helpful!
Remember guys
leaning your head to the back can help you dodge the floor being lava
I just subscribed because this guy is a real deal gaming professor
Wow. That was very helpful!
I just noticed the Nine Worlds symbol behind her, pretty cool nod to the legends she's based on.
Ph HiFight, yall are the Gods.
SS tier channel!
Ah yes, the mommy character
Yggy got tired of everyone bullying her in raids. *She's returning the favor in spades.*
such a good video man, congratulations (i never comment anything lol)
Imagine when they release Rackam, they include Tiamat. And what becomes of this game when Rackam fights Lowain lol
Hilarious editing. Haha. Love it!
When playing Ferry there is a some space where you can swing and when you're swinging from that space nothing can hit you, but you might get hit by the lava when you fall so you just become a drill and hope your opponent misses the timing because of that. Ygg is pretty frustrating but if you get into your opponents rhythm you can probably survive it.
Thank you, HiFight, for doing all this preliminary labbing.
If it had more recovery at the end of it. It probably be less frustrating since you could then more easily punish it.
First glance this shit looks OP af. upon more study and figuring out how to deal with this. THIS SHIT IS OP AF
You sir deserve a sub
Just from a trailer of Lowain, i coulda tell that character will be 1st to on a nerf list. (Maybe) However, on every different atack Ygg has a specific hand movement. And it's easy to see when on what atack the animation starts (Atleast for me). So If you can read fast, Ygg shouldn't be much of a problem. Other than that, practice makes perfect.
haha thanks for making this, I was at a complete loss facing this online
Metera can use double jump toward Yggdrasil & dodge all 4 options while just air blocking the non-lava moves.
When she lifts her hands up pillar is coming
You should AT LEAST be able to ko during this
If you can stop ultra supers or whatever in most fighting games
I think this should apply too
It's just a transformation technically
So they should be able to KO
I mean, in universe, it makes sense. You're fighting *Lowain*, Yggdrasil just comes in to help out some bros. Really, attacking Yggdrasil shouldn't do anything, Lowain's just sorta watching giant tree mom smack you around, why would attacking Yggdrasil ko him?
People calling a gimmick super "busted" when it's week 1 is pretty funny ngl. I hope they won't trigger happy nerf it because of the complains.
Regardless of its strength or of someone's ability to know how to dodge everything and execute it properly(ignoring delays) , Yggdrasil is still simply an anti-fun gimmick that shouldn't exist.
VS a perfect player you're still at worst delaying the game unnecessarily.
I hope too, i kinda want to see more of this kind of stuff in the future of fighting game.
We had the same archetype for char for so long that i just want to see more stupid unexpected stuff like this that completely changes the game
@@rock4471 yeah, but anyway need a dmg nerf,
@@argos-ir7zn That or change the way pillar works cuz with lag it literally deals damage before you even see the thing
you need be a super player to complete the mini gam eand the other only need smahs bottons? balqance? no for sure no is balanced, nerf the dmg and make more easy to complete , you can lose to that ulti anyway you have 100 hp
the end frame of the lava floor attack- angry Yggdrasil do be looking kinda cute, ngl
My suggestion...
Use a Fire Sword and a Ice Sword,then fuse them
you need a special ring too, otherwise the sword wont work for you.
Yeah,i forgot to mention that
That ultimate is so broken. How did that even get out of the door like that
Ok league player
So every time I have to fight him online, I have to fight a boss Waifu?!
😈
*BRING IT ON!!!!*
wow even the world tree of Norse mythology is now an anime gamer waifu
How do you deal with yggdrasil?
"run"
-_- as a vaseraga main. maybe i can fit some tackle in there lol...
I'll be honest Lowmein is looking like babies first barrier character, they just need tweak him in that direction.
A combination of the following are honestly all that needs to be fixed -
1. Her meter needs to burn out quicker or be used more depending upon the attack (You would think they'd know better at this point)
2. Scale back the chip damage you get from lightning.
3. Damaging her gets rid of some of her meter, if Lowmein loses all his health before she desummons then he dies when it's done.
4. Remove unblockable damage, allow for chip done by her to not exist until Lowmein manages to actually hit you himself
5. The lower her meter the less damage you take.
6. A longer activation time, and a better rule-set for summoning Waifu(Think Phoenix Wright Evidence from MvC3)
I'll be honest, the only reason Low get's this oppressive waifu is because they realize he's kind of on the weak-side and tries to force the match into sudden death which is a game plan akin to turtling which has never received a good reputation ever.
Dude its already super hard to kill people with this super. Your suggestions would make her useless.
@@Zangelin That is why I said a combination, not all of them.
Finally someone putting effort in learning how to deal with bs instead of crying nerf
Why not both
Should the move not be nerfed otherwise?
Thing is practicing evade will get you nowhere online with the amount of delay this game has of average
Very detailed. Nice video.
Me:(Sees the title and thumbnail for this video)
Also Me: oh that's easy just wait till fimbulwinter
Thank you for all the tips for how to use this when I get the game and play Lowain
i don't know why the cat dude can summon the giant thicc lady, but i kind of want to read the manga to find out now.
Basically. Be a Kirito and have superhuman maneuver and reflex to survive this madness
I really wanted to main Lowen because he seemed funny and entertaining but now that he is op as hell and will be seen nonstop in online I guess I will go with Ferry.
Aside from this special, lowain is pretty weak overall. Not garbage, but still.
Lol OK they either need to nerf its damage or make some of the unblock able stuff slower.
Edit: and nerf the chip for goodness sakes. That's just overdoing it. Well assuming the chip makes up for the fact that u can evade his super to avoid taking damage, they should make them a bit more reactable I think. Give them more state up to give more time to react.
They'd just have to nerf damage on the lighting honestly.
@@dappercrow8138 Honestly a better idea would be nerfing the earth pillars to not deal any pushback when hitting block so that way if you manage to read it up close you'll be able to get a sweet juicy punish no matter what by the end
Just curious what music you put here honestly :v
It's Lowain and Gran's themes from the game
this gimmick is kind of like Dark Phoenix mode in MVC3 in a way. especially with set ups that seem pretty much unavoidable. a good player with Phoenix can do a gnarly "full screen of projectiles" set up that i was on the receiving end of one time at a local tournament.
its pretty similar, but the biggest problem with phoenix was the x factor, because it would basically stop her life from draining and maker her even faster and ridiculously damaging.
still not being able to ko in this install is pretty unfair haha
@@AlynRapi i forgot to mention X factor, that was what made fights against good players with her quite ridiculous. and i can understand not being able to ko the install as the entire point of it is a last ditch effort to win. in the situation presented in this video, getting a hit at all would be due to either great skill in spacing and evasion or the Lowain player does not know what they are doing/isnt trying. now if the time limit of the mode was as long as this video makes it feel then that would be ridiculous! but it seems to be rather short, in the heat of the moment though its going to feel like an eternity. lol
Sako getting bodied is such a refreshing sight after he deceived a certain Kage player.
Lmao Daigo was UPSET
It's not his fault that Daigo is a scrub.
First online match has brought me instantly after the match
I wonder will ferry have an easy time with this thanks to her whip swings and dive kicks
I'll be honest with you, I never knew this existed, but now I want it
Lowain and the dudebros are the only other character to summon primal beasts. ...and Katalina in a finisher. ...okay a lot of characters can in the lore.
what is the background song used here
Gran's theme in GBFV
So what's the story behind those three guys and the big lady? Why is the leader able to summon her?
I just want to know why three dog(?) boys have an anime Gaia on standby
anime Gaia I’m done
I'm still jumping the green orb and mashing evade on landing because you know lava is coming out xD
If only they just made it so you can actually beat the character while Yggdrasil is up. That way it isn't a frame 1 invincible "I get to chip you to my health level for free" button.
I feel like that would make it too easy to beat considering how big she is.
Is this Shin Megami Tensei sound in Axis Mundi?
When they make a mythical tree into a solid unit:
If I can parry Orochi lights, I can do this dodge mini game
Lowain is our troll character for this game. Every fighting game has one of those.
Imagine being headpatted by Yggi
Strongest weebs character in history!!! Hands down!!
Was gonna buy this game now after seeing this im not sure about it anymore LOL this gives me naruto storm big awakening flashbacks
What a bullshit idea for a super, holy fuck lmfao! "Yeah, just let him summon a boss for a while, fuck it!"
You know what they say; If you can't beat them, join them.
Giantess proved to be the best fetish?
So its an SNK mini boss summon?
this video helped me a lot to fight Ramlethal on guilty gear strive season 3.
says a lot :(
This video made ma clausthrofobic
Maybe nake her lava and Lightning attack cost a bit more meter at least.
*Maximillian dude has entered the chat*
great gameplay
So a patch is coming, right?...right?... Please? Ar least some extra time to punish Lowain.
I feel they are going to nerf her, either they will make the lava blockable, make Lowain killable during it or that if you damage her that greatly reduce her satying time. Inb4 the complaints and salt are so much they use all of the above.
so you should always block first and then run, good time to use lava first :)
Lava is reactable, stone pillar is not. That's why.
I didn't even plan to get this game for a bit and see that gave me smallpox