Why I will never buy a big Touring bike ever again!
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- Regular topic on this channel that is constantly cropping up. Here I give you my main reasons for touring on smaller capacity motorcycles and why I will never buy a big touring bike again.
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Ed March has taken a C90 supercub around the world. He relates this experience about it
I was riding through Belgium in winter when it was about 0 oC. I called in at a campsite (which was closed but had an open pub) and asked how much camping was.
The owner was intrigued and walked out to have a look at my bike, as soon as he saw it he burst out laughing and called his customers outside to have a giggle too.
Then he asked where I was from and where I was going, I answered “England and I’m going to the Czech republic”.
From that moment on, all my drinks were free and I got free pizza and crisps. In the morning I had breakfast and a hot shower round his sister’s house
and they even gave me some thermal trousers and a warm jumper which I still have.
You can tour on anything and have an adventure. 👍🇦🇺
fantastic story well done you 👍
C90 Adventures is well worth a watch.
just when the stroy was getting better, (the part of the sister's house) you ended it...😂😝
“And a hot shower round his sister’s house”
HELL YEAH
@@micaelalves6804 lol, I was expecting the story should end with, that's how I met my wife.
Went from Italy to Ireland, crossing from France, and all over Spain on a Meteor 350. Small bike, but exceptional with fuel economy, and all i needed was a backpack, saddlebags, and a tent and sleeping bag tied to the rear. One of the best experiences of my life.
Perfect, just perfect !
@@chokdeesam2365 it was. Nothing beats the feeling of throwing a leg across the saddle and ride off to a new destination over and over. I'm thinking about trying to do North Africa, or the Balkans next.
My apologies. But, my jealousy level went through all the gears without the clutch…😜 that sounds AWESOME!
Wow! I love the looks of the Meteor 350. Want to buy one but will I fit? Close to 6.1 (187cm)
What do you recon? And what saddle bags are you using?
@omega3556 i'm 180 and I fit fine. I'm using custom made ones, a friend of mine is a leatherworker by trade. He gifted them to me
I’m new to motorcycling. Many of my friends at home and abroad were trying to convince me to get an adventure bike. I was almost convinced, I almost got one. But I don’t like the style and I was always concerned about the weight.
I got myself a Bonneville with some saddle bags. I love it and I’m off on my first tour (a short one to the coast) soon. I love it.
me too.......wear it and make do
Travel light is almost always the better option. It prevents getting tired all the time. I do like 'comes in handy' like Tyre Inflator sealant for long trips etc.
@@Odder-Being I guess I'm just strong and enjoy a challenge! Love a big adventure bike.. Also everything is more comfortable too!
I'm in the same boat, but I'm sticking with my yamaha xt250. I love it!!
That’s all that really matters right?
Could not agree more. I worked my way up from 50cc through to 1600cc (over 30 bikes) and eventually found the spirit of lightweight fun a motorcycle originally gave was missing. Gave up for a year but the itch returned and I bought a Vespa which instantly made me feel 16 again. Several Vespas later and I have toured LeJoG, Wales and most of the UK on short and multi day trips, just finished a 5 country trip to Switzerland on a GTS300 Vespa. It’s brought back what I loved about bikes, freedom, simplicity, lightweight fun that really can do it all as could my RE500 classic. Love big bikes but you don’t need 200bhp or half ton of weight. Great video!
Can relate. Got out of bikes for a number of years but fancied commuting to work on a bike and the Vespa itch was growing strong. Got me a GTS 300 in 2017 and like you say, felt 16 again just like riding my 50cc Aprilia back in high school. Looved the simplicity and the eagerness of Vespa, started doing short trips with it and that grew into touring. Did Switzerland, Austria, Italy on it, the Balkans and some. Got me an R1150GS which I restored, toured the Alps twice, did 2 month long trips on it and while I love the boxer and the nature of the bike it's the Vespa that for me has the superior motiv to ride the bike. To me nothing beats having fun on a bike and that's where the weight of the bike at least for me is hindrance rather than advantage. Still have the Vespa, will never sell it. Oh, also toured Zanzibar on a RE 500 Classic, completely get what you mean. It's about the easy nature of the bike and character.
I was waiting to board a ferry at Dover in June last year (as a cyclist) and there were several Vespas on their way to Switzerland, wondering if that was your group?
@@paulwood4142 - sadly not, we took the ferry from Poole to Cherbourg and rode through France to CH, then came back through Germany, Luxembourg and Belgium taking the tunnel instead of a ferry. Wonderful trip, Belgium planned for this year but then looking to cycle through o CH (e15) next year! Where did you ride to?
When I was in the Air Force 40 years ago I had a CX500 Honda that I went back and forth across America on. I know an old guy in St Petersburg who went all the way to Alaska on his Vesper 250 scooter. People are brainwashed to think that they need a behemoth to go touring on. I laugh when I hear people say that a 750 size motorcycle is insufficient to go touring. Riding a lighter motorcycle is less tiring as well.
I have fond memories of the CX500, great bike. Honda should make a new one.
@@Biggus63 if they did it would probably be a parallel twin.
@@chrishart8548 unfortunately.
Three cheers for the cx500! 🇬🇧👍
@@Biggus63 Snap! If my CX500 hadn't been stolen 30+ years ago, I might still be riding it today. Definitely the best bike I ever owned and rode.
In the ‘60s I visited most Western European countries on a 160cc Honda, including two Elephant rallies. Unforgettable experiences on a lovely little bike. Touring is a state of mind, it doesn’t depend on the bike.
I drooled over those Honda 160s at my local dealer. The Honda 305 Super Hawk was my dream bike. But I was happy on my new 1968 Honda 50.😎
@@billfish5913 Happy days. I too lusted after the 305 but it was way out of my reach. The CB160 was a lovely bike, I’m surprised they didn’t sell better. I had many bikes afterward but none held my affection like the 160. All the best,
Roger
My first real motorcycle with a Honda 185 TwinStar we're just a learner's permit I rode all over the state of Florida back when we had the 55 mph speed limit which it would do with the plum. I got in with a bunch of Goldwing Riders and we stopped at a rest stop and they brought out the coolers with sodas and hot dogs that they cooked on the grills at the rest stop and they said well we're surprised that little guy could keep up with us and I said but you're only going 55 miles an hour get out! I had a windshield luggage rack travel trunk and highway bars so it was pretty comfortable for touring all day. It also got me 74 miles to the gallon with the one carb. Great bye turn me on to the joy of two wheels. After I sold it a woman bought it learned how to write on it and she was going to teach her daughter how to ride a motorcycle with it makes me wonder how many people that little bike introduced to the joys of writing a motorcycle.
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You’re so right. Speed is the enemy of touring. You’ll see so much more on a 125 on the byways than riding a GS1250 on an autobahn.
It kind of does depend on the bike, a little bit, at least, maybe just a tiny tiny bit. Motorcyclists are definately a strange breed reading these comments.
Very clever video, I liked it a lot. I did exactly what you described. I went in 50 years from a very small 45c.c. Bianchi gradually evolved from Moto Guzzi, Harley Davidson, up to the Triumph Storm 1750.
Enough! I was fed up.
As you say, I had lost all the taste, not to mention the gravel in the parking lots.
So I stayed put for two years.
But now I finally have a "shameful" 411 R.E. Himalayan and I rediscovered the pleasure of riding a motorbike, even alone.
Thanks for your video, so I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
Yep I'm with you all the way on this one. I had an R1250GS until very recently and then I had loan of a much smaller capacity bike and thought to myself, why am I lugging this monstrous machine around when everything is so much easier on a lighter smaller bike.
So, what did you do then?
@@sherbet24 He bought R1300GS 🤣
Spot on! I have over 40 years of motorcycling experience and I have come to the conclusion that less is more. 😊
I blame Ewan McGregor and Charlie Boorman with their long way round trip for the desire for big touring motorcycles. Even though the bikes were too big and too heavy for that trip. Itchy boots has proved that small capacity bikes will do the job equally well if not better in a lot of circumstances. Thank you for another well thought out intelligent video
KTM was the deciding party there ;)
Probably their worst ever business decision, caused by a lack of faith on their own products.
@@G-ra-ha-m It was a good decision by KTM because the 950 Charlie wanted had just been released and had some teething problems. Also, the KTM was lighter than the GS but it was still a big bike. When the GS that the camera man was riding broke its frame in Russia, they replaced it with a 500cc Russian made 2 stroke that made easy work out of the terrain that was bogging their GSs down.
@@jimmyjakes1823 They could have shipped them smaller KTMs :)
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I think there was a part when they were in Kazikstan or Mongolia where their big bimmers just kept falling and getting stuck on a muddy stretch of road and this dude passes them on a much smaller and older bike, and they say to one another, that's the size bike we should have gotten. I think that's what you call the Penny dropping moment many still don't realise. Big bikes look cool, but are just too heavy for real off road use.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve gone steadily down from a 1200 to … an XT225. Light, great handling. The 21” front wheel irons out the bumps. Comfortable enough too with a low seat height.
I now find myself doing 300 miles a day at a slower pace, enjoying the journey on back roads … discovering places I never knew existed as before I’d blasted past them on the A roads.
Best thing I ever did was downsize. Oh … and it cost me £1600 and regularly does 110 mpg !
The XT 225 or 250 is an awesome bike. Years ago I met an old guy who toured all over the Western US on one. He said him and buddy took CT90s from the Northernmost town in Alaska to the Southern most tip of South America back in the 70s, and National Geographic met up with them at several locations along the way to take pictures and make a chronology of their adventure. I guess it was in a Natl. Geo. Mag back in the day.
The XT225 Serow has been my favourite bike I’ve owned. I did live in Uganda at the time and the bike just was perfect for it.
Makes sense, European rodes are narrow, speed controlled, and smaller open country. Out west in the US while riding hundreds of miles of straight open desert, a 1000cc plus bike can be appreciated. I think after watching that video on those tight roads, motorcycle freedoms, are already taken away from you.
I went from a R1200GS to F650 and settled on a 30YO DR350. Only limitation is prolonged highway speeds, which I try to avoid anyway.
I was at the edge of buying a bigger bike even though I was so happy with my 300cc scooter. Nobody around me has ever summarized the case as simple as you did in this video. Thanks for being such open hearted for the sake of motorbiking enthusiasm…
My wife and I are currently touring from the UK to Cyprus on a Vespa 300 GTS HPE without too many problems.
The looks of derision and astonishment we get from everyone makes me feel that everyone has been suckered into the adventure bike sales pitch.
So far we are on day 22 and no aches or pains or any real issues.
We've been over mountains in Bosnia and Albania and to be honest the Vespa was a wise choice. I felt confident on it and there have been occasions when I think I could have dropped a big heavy bike on a tight hair pin bend.
Excellent! We’re planning to take our GTS300 2-up to Spain next year. Any tips?
@@ChrisinHove the GTS coped really well and other than packing as light as possible just get on it and go.
The only limiting factor is the fuel tank capacity.
I would fill up or look for a petrol station after about 60 to 80 miles.
I found two up that between 100 and 110kmh was optimum for progress and fuel efficiency.
Don't forget that putting a ruck sack or a bag between your legs at the front is ideal for a bit of extra laying age capacity.
Well, not everyone.....thats a little extreme. Most of us can tell that the ADV sales pitch, is a pitch, based on no reality. Some people fall for it, they crash, hurt themselves, crushed under large machines, and hence the current change in the marketing strategies the manufacturers are doing now. Wait for the years to come and witness small ADV bikes, finally. The DR400 since 2000, has proven this fact. There was no pitch that anybody fell for on this bike, it is what it is, a good solid, reliable, world touring potential bike, with a small engine.
@@davidcolinfisher1034 I agree that a small capacity ADV is a really good idea.
I like simple and relatively straight forward bikes that don't require menu systems and too much tech.
That being said the traction control was very useful on a bend that had a diesel spillage and definitely helped me whereby I could easily have fallen off.
I totally agree with you. The gts300 is the best all round bike I ever owned. I absolutely love mine.
Absolutely spot-on! I gave up biking about ten years ago (maybe a bit longer) having taken exactly the path described here. I ended up with my dream bike, a BMW 1150GS but hardly used it after the first month's ownership had worn off. It was just to much of a faff to get it out of the garage and manhandle it around to get it pointing in the right direction. I had been riding since I was 17 starting with a Triumph Trailblazer and then an original T140E I bought new as the Meriden factory teetered on the edge. I was really happy with those old bikes but then got into the rut of chasing the Dream. Changed my bike every year and spent a fortune but nothing really satisfied. In the end I found that I was only taking the GS out for its annual service and MOT. Then a few weeks ago we were on holiday in North Yorkshire and I heard a lovely sound moving all around the hills where we were camped. Out for a walk I saw a yellow bike parked in a lay-by with the rider looking at a view and having a brew. I got talking. His bike was a Royal Enfield Meteor and he had taken this same journey, finally finding peace in that bike. That got me excited all over again. A 350 single. I started researching. I'm getting one!. Thanks.
I think I am in ( almost ) similar situation as you.
I just want to assure you , I’ve had the halcyon grey classic 350 for about 3 months , I absolutely love it . If your going longer ranges and need to maintain 70mph I’d consider the 650 Royal Enfield
Anything but an RE 350. Being from India. I would never touch one.
Ofcourse, it was the only bike here in the beginning until the Japanese bikes started to hit our shores around the mid 80's.
Light weight bikes anyday, but not an RE for me, better and well made bikes are available 😊👍
@@Akkiben What would you suggest instead?
Brilliant story Kevin, I'm of the same mind.
Another thing with smaller & much cheaper bikes, strangers don't think you're a snob, like they do when on an expensive big bike.
My favourite touring bike (averaging 12000km per tour )was my Kawi Z 14 . Comfy , stable and as fast as you feel like at any given time . I think the best tourer is the one you feel best touring on . There are no rules
Im so glad you made this video Stuart..I have been seriously contemplating buying a BMW touring bike, my sensible side had made all of the points that you had mentioned about the practicality of owning this type of bike but i was getting very good at ignoring those nagging doubts about practicality for 95% of all the riding I would be doing, my desire was based on your final point you made about European road with little or no speed limits..20 years ago i rode from Calais all the way down to the south of France and into Italy 2 up with a masses of luggage on an old 850 BMW air head and it never missed a beat even when doing between 90-100mph, hour after hour for most of a full night which is exactly what it was designed to do..but realistically how often are we going to have the opportunity to do that kind of riding. Extremely rarely ..so you have helped me see sense and not waste my money of a big touring bike ...thank you
Great video Stuart! When I was flying MiG-21s in the Indian Air Force in my twenties, I rode all over the mountains and plains of India on a Yezdi 250cc 2-stroke, 24 HP, WITH a pillion and lugguage. It was easy to handle - you could tilt and pivot it around on one leg of the centre stand. Now I'm 66 and want to resume biking. And all the marketing hype is pointing me to 650 and 1100 cc monsters. I'm going for the 334cc Yezdi Adventure - 30HP, 30Nm, 150 kph (93 mph) @ 30km/l (71 mpg) - enough for me and a pillion across any terrain... Thanks for the clarity your video has given me...
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Nice post
It never occurred to me that a 650 was a 'monster'.
@@wildbikerbill6530 That's cos you've never had to pull one out of a muddy ditch in the rain.
@@bigglyguy8429 Did you know you're not supposed to go there? It helps! 😱
Years ago I had a Yamaha Radian - 600cc inline-4, aircooled. In 27K miles of riding it I ran out of gas once. Fortunately that was only a mile or so from a gas station, but going up a hill was a chore.
The Yamaha FJ1200 & Kawasaki GPz1100 I had later would have been brutal.
I am 51 and just started riding a motorbike this year (a bit late in the game, I know). In any case, as many new riders, I read every article possible, watched many videos and talked to as many veteran riders before buying my first motorcycle. At the end, I decided for a Supernova Brown Meteor 350 from Royal Enfield. I could have purchased a bigger bike, but I decided to listen to the voice or reason of learning the ropes on a smaller engine and when ready purchase a bigger one. After 1600 kms I can honestly say I can´t see myself buying anything bigger than a 650 cc. For me it is all about the opportunity to appreciate the road, the sky and to be able to stop and take a picture of have a cup of coffee with ease. A second reason not to purchase a big touring bike is, at least in my neck of the woods, security. Big, expensive bikes are a bigger target for organized crime, and it would definitely increase my chances of an unpleasant encounter. Cheers!
63yo here.
13 months of riding under my belt. Last trip of the season starts tomorrow and I'll end the year with just over 12,000 miles and 400,000 vertical feet on a 500cc chinese/italian little beast. Will be upgrading to a 650 for the really big trip in 2023 and 24 but wouldn't want anything bigger.
54 year old here and used to ride in the 1990's as a 25 year old and took way too many chances, so I quit one day. Now, I'm ready with the mind and patience of a wiser man, and a Royal Enfield is a PERFECT starter bike !!!!
I'm only 46 years young, and I have started riding at 18, reading your words of wisdom and agreeing all the way. People buy motorcycles too big, heavy and expensive, suffer and hurt, only to rage sell and give up on the dream. Sensible people use their heads, get good bikes, ride easy and have fun for decades. Ride on!
I have a Meteor 350 myself. It does everything that I need. It does enough miles in a day to explore. What's more, it does it at 95mpg.
63yo here, too: After some 25yrs on BMW R75/5, I bought a Yamaha RD125LC. Handed it to a friend for a test ride. He is actually riding a twin cam. And had been riding many bikes, most years an 850 Moto Guzzi. Result: he couldn't stop smiling for the whole evening!
Moral: when I'm riding a bike, I wanna have fun! I,I,I wanna have fun. What others think: do I care?
My first bike was a Yamaha XJ750 Seca that I will never forget the joy of riding. Many of the points in your video reminded me of how easy it was to ride this bike and how fast it really was and easy to maneuver. Like the masses, I was sucked in to bigger is better. I miss those less stressful, carefree riding days.
As the owner of a Honda ST11100 for the last 30years, I have to agree with just about everything you say. Every year that passes, the bike seems to get heavier. Reversing and parking are the worst challenges. In my retirement,I am facing the prospect of selling the bike I have owned for the last 24years.
Honda, get this man a modern Magna.🤜🤛
Couldn't agree more. When I started riding in the 70s, the majority had one bike. That's all we could afford. It had to do everything, ride to work, take the girl friend out, ride out with your mates and in the summer go on your holidays. I had a memorable holiday riding through France to Spain on a 250 single 2 stroke. Two up with panniers, loaded rack and a tank bag. You had to work the bike to get the best from it. But that was part of the fun and achievement.
Spot on. I’m 57 and recently bought a Honda CB500x. I absolutely love it. So much I’ve bought a top box and roll bag and I’m off touring Europe next year.
I’m looking forward to it a lot more than I did with my previous touring bikes (GS etc)
The fun factor on a manageable 500 in the Alps is going to be off the scale. I think more and more enlightened bikers are waking up.
That's going to be an awesome trip on the CB500. Plenty of go and no risk of dropping it in the hairpins on roads like the Stelvio pass. Have a great trip! 👍
👍 nice one and good luck 👍 shove it up those so called adventure touring models ridiculous price tags!
Imminently getting myself a 650 V-Strom after years of heavy machines. Test riding it was a revelation, and way more fun than the Hayabusa's I have been riding around on.....
I'm 57 in March and I too have just got a CB500x, absolutely love it and am planning a Europe trip next year. Had a CB500f, and planned to get an NC750x, but after trying an NC750s, I thought the suspension was very crude, and much prefer the smoother 500 engine. The power on my 500f was enough for the vast majority of riding I do, and of course the economy is legendary, I'm averaging 88mpg on the 500x, that's measured and calculated from fill up to warning light, not the computer. The main thing that keeps my speed down is the condition of many of our roads, cannot imagine why anyone would want more than 750cc if you think logically, anything above that just seems to be in 'diminishing terms' territory.
@@BibtheBoulder I've had a V-strom 650 for 13 years now and out of my other 2 bikes (Pan European & CBR600F) and pretty much every other bike I've test ridden it's the best of the lot in terms of the perfect balance of comfort, power delivery, weight, agility, range, luggage capacity and value for money.
Brilliant stop and think video, a back to logical reality narrative that makes so much sense.
Very well done mate, I sincerely hope that this video's message hits home with a ton of riders out there.
I think there’s one mitigation. Large capacity bikes make journeys effortless. I had three RTs and miss the one I sold this year because it was so easy to ride and to live with. Bang it in third and chug around the Lake District, sixth and cruise up the M6. Smaller capacity bikes can do it all but it’s the way the big bikes do it.
I much prefer big bikes and will trade in the 850 GS for another RT next year. Lesson learned, you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
Never ridden one but from the reports on the RT it seems to be the exception to the rule. I hate top heavy bikes, so to me it's not so much about the weight it's where the COG sits.
@@gerrybailey447 Yep, 100%, top heavy bikes are OK(ish) when you’re moving along but tricky at lower speeds. They feel clumsy.
I’m no expert but from what people say the low boxer engine makes a big difference. Weight is low down and there’s a bit of a gyroscopic effect that makes low speed riding easy. Still a big beast to push round the garage but nothing’s perfect.
As is little discussed, yes, it's all about weight distribution. How easy it is to mount and will it stand steady or want to constantly fall over. Both the Honda CMX1100 and 500 are great, the extra weight of the 1100 can be felt but that's all compared with the 500.
But you've COMPLETELY missed the point of touring. Bang it on the M-way... Totally pointless. I'm 68 and travelled a fair bit of this earth, if there's ONE thing you can guarantee it's that any M-way can be ANYWHERE in the world. My suggestion: but a RE Classic 350, use only back roads and rediscover what motorcycling is really about. (And it'll cost you less than the options on a GS)
I'am 61, since my 60th I came back to Motobikes, after a long time suffering. And when I considered what I should buy, I was shocked by all that, you've well told about the changing market. In the 80ties I had a BMW 60 Policemachine and that was a really "heavy bike" - but today? None of the big bikes, even if I had the money, would get my interest. I bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan with only 24 HP and 3,1ltr fuel for 100 km. Till now I was riding 7.800 km, was in Swizzerland, Italy, Austria, in the mountains and up the mountains ... and I never was disappointed! Thats my way to travel, enjoying that I'am free, having the time, I need and no reason to go with 170 HP 220 km/h like a foul in rage ... I would never change my choice. The 21th century ist not more the age of stronger, bigger, faster! But the people need time to think about! 🙄🦋🌻😎
I always say "drive what suits you and be happy with it", but this summer, when I was cruising my favourite road (the old military road at Sally's Gap - Wicklow - Ireland) I found myself "stuck" behind a tour bike that resembled battlestar Galactica more than anything else. I watched the rider navigating inclines, declines, hairpins, potholes and surprise sections with copious amounts of freshly deposited gravel, I totally understood his need for using as much of available road as possible, so i hung back at 30km/h waiting for an opportunity to pass safely. When he did stop at a viewpoint parking, I just checked to see he was OK. We had a chat about how terrible the road was, bikes in general and Royal Enfields (since I was on my classic 500).
He had quite the opinion about "light cheap bikes produced in Thirdworld counties having all sorts of issues with cooling in hot weather", but I wished him well at departure after making sure i was first to pull out of the parking. Taking his advice in regards of cooling, I opened up a bit faster (60 km/h) to get that cooling air flowing. I noticed that after a few turns he stopped trying to keep up with me - but then again, he wouldn't be needed to drive that fast with all that superior cooling and that - very gentlemanly for him to consider my poorly build classic 500 let me go first and get that needed cooling and make an effort to make sure I was getting well away on the road.
foot note 1: yes - you are correct if you sense a bit of tongue in cheek there
foot note 2: No, it doesn't require a big tour bike to be classified as a douche nozzle - it's always the attitude - not the type, model or brand of bike that gives it away :)
foot note 3: yes - he would have probably laughed at me on the motorway overtaking me with 180km/h and be able to take his kitchen sink with him at the same time - I'd be getting one of those big boys if that was my thing too.
Love your thinking my friend ❤️ it's all about horses for courses init . Whatever floats your boat if it works for you, you've cracked it , stay safe mate 👍
rofl
that was a spot on comment!
I ride an F800 GS Adventure and love it for its light Off-road capabilities and being a great allrounder. I am 31 years old and have been riding mountain bike trails, dirt bike parks as well as trails in the Forest. Maybe that's why I feel more confident handling the bike. Its definitely a big behemoth of a bike and not the best option for a Pensioner trying to finally travel the world.
Check out what Pol Tarres can do on a Teneree 700, skill plays a big role too
This video is spot on and a very refreshingly honest change. We could disagree - but we’d be wrong ! Well done Stuart for having the bravery and honesty and integrity to make this. Thank you .
Spot-on message. Having had litre+ motorbikes (KTM 990 Adventure currently), I couldn’t agree more. Last year I bought for my son an older Yamaha XT-225. I flew out to pick it up, and it took about a day to ride it back home. I so thoroughly enjoyed the ride even though the bike struggled to sustain above 100kmh. I just simply rode slower, and enjoyed the ride. I still like to take it out once in a while for a quick blat around the neighbourhood and leave my 990 and the 530 in the garage.
The smaller bikes rarely have cruise control, heated seats and grips, things like that. Goldwings are pretty lightweight "feeling" and have things like reverse, but like you said, are expensive and have their place and time for use. This is why we all need 8 motorcycles, one for each scenario we have in our lives. Thanks for the video.
Honestly, in this day and age, there is a bike for everyone. We live in great times.
ALL of which can be added.
@@tommynikon2283 Adding cruise control is a pain and never as good as the factory, just like cancelled turn signals. Heated stuff yes... but you often get some stupid button that just looks bad and to be honest we don't want to drive a frankenstein - we want a ligitimate bike that was made for long distance riding.
My touring bike has faktory cruise control that I use so little i must say its pointless to me.
I ride in Norway, and IF there is little traffic on a motorway you can use it. But motorways are in my opinion not fun on motorcycle its boring so I avoid them. Riding in germany on the autobahn its even less useful with the cruise conttol because of traffic and the same goes for large parts of Europe unless you plan to go slow behind slow moving traffic you change speed all the time.
So I dont really use it at all, and i would not consider it to be necessary on a new purchase. But that is me, others might find them awesome.
Riding in Norway on the Coast you notice a lot of tourists and lot of them use massive touring bikes, on thos very narrow winding roads its not a problem to ride a big tourer IF you are used to this Riding. But arranging tours and runs i have seen if there is massive forrige bikes in the mix we need to reduce the speed with a good but, we need to include far more stops and breaks because people are tired, and the distance is reduced on stints.
For me that show very clearly the marketing with effortless travel on adventourous roads are a total scam, because people joining the tours for exactly that reason with those exact bikes are the opsite.
I see the ones who join with medium capacity bikes are faster, have less need for breaks, we can reach farther, and when we arrive they are less tired and more energetic than those on big bikes.
None of these tours have i ever used cruise control. To be honest where i can use cruise control namely on boring slabs of motorway i rather use a car. Why because its so boring i can just as well use a car.
You think like my hubby.
The GS has just become an embarrassing Cliché's. Had 2 of them back in the day and one day at a bike stop I watched A dozen or so guys on GS1200s pull into the car park, all the gear and no idea. One dropped his bike trying to avoid a pothole puddle at the entrance. That was it for me. They are just part of motorcycle flex culture now!
Cue the big Tourer owners throwing their toys out of the pram!🤣
The GS owner.......its just another wa@#er with a BMW.
If they nod or wave it's a real surprise,iv almost given up on them.
@@ScotlandsGold Same when Arly riders.
@@Omar-vj9ro when l had a Vespa they would wave more that others ! So now I’ve got a Harley l wave at everyone- though l did before tbh. First trip to France it took a while to realise the guys on the big blue bikes were cops! Had one wave back though lol
I currently own a Yamaha Stratoliner 1854cc, and it's a great bike. However, I was in Oregon and rented a Suzuki 650cc V-Strum. The thing was incredible. Light as a feather, plenty of storage (panniers), could cruise all day comfortably at 90mph with excellent gas mileage. I was blown away by it. That was 5 years ago now and I still think about how marvelous it was.
I have a vstrom 1000. Its only about 15kg heavier. Its the most comfortable bike ive ever ridden. Guzzles a bit of gas though.
I borrowed a 650 V-Strom on a trip to France a few years ago and was seriously impressed for all the same reasons that you list.
I have a stratoliner as well, what a bike. Totally different experience vs. ducatis, goldwings, and. Smaller ktms that ive had or still have. I wont sell the strat anytime soon.
Best commentary and advice I’ve heard so far as what type of bike to get or not to get. Thank you for your excellent presentation with honest and impartial advice. Also great scenery! Done those routes myself many times and recognised the passes and roads.
Most people don't like to think they have been taken by a sales pitch or a smooth talking sales person but it happens to us all. Being in my 50s now the classic 350 is all the bike I need. Once again very well said and a great video.
I ended up getting a T100 as my first bike last this summer (got a great deal on a 2018) but the Classic 350 was the one I was lusting after all through my learning and practicing this past winter. Still have images of it as wallpaper on my phone.
Thank You Nathen. I'm sure I replied to you earlier, but the reply has vanished! How odd!
@@IrishBog I have a T100 too 👍. A great first (and last) bike. I've had all sorts over the years but the T100 just has something really special about it 👍
The problem is, Nathan, please NAME three companies that distribute 350's worldwide.
Spot on once again Stuart, 2 weeks ago I completed an 1800 klm trip on my Himalayan in the company of a friend on a late model Harley Road King and my son on his Kawasaki Vulcan, I was supposed to be riding my 1996 Harley FLSTF but due to an electrical issue I was forced at the 11th hour to take the Royal Enfield, I have to admit that I was not looking forward to it because it is set up primarily for off road riding.
A day into the trip I realised that I had seriously under estimated the bike, with fully loaded panniers and 60/40 tyres it handled beautifully, was comfortable to ride easily maintained highway speeds even through the Adelaide hills were I indulged in some peg scraping and had enough in reserve to overtake if need be, the biggest annoyance i had was having to stop whilst the other bikes filled up with petrol.
I thoroughly enjoyed riding that little bike, it has once again proved itself to be an extremely capable Motorcycle, anyone who says that you can't tour on a small to mid range bike is talking rubbish, I apologise for the length of the comment.
Stuart! Thanks so much for the inspiration… I took delivery of my Honda CRF 300 L Rally last week… Itchy boots style… Could not possibly be happier… I'm 62 and I'm living my fourth childhood… I've been thinking about this for a long time… I remember drooling over the Honda 500 XL back in the 70s and 80s… And now I pretty much have one, PLUS… Great for running errands, great for long trips. You are absolutely spot on, people need to listen to what you're saying. You have only reinforced how great the decision was to go small.
Back in '85 I owned a Yamaha V-Max... tons of fun, but not at all carefree, maneuverable, "flickable" and not something you'd put on any trail.
Cheers,
Tripp
Best advice video I have watched in ages. You speak for many and you make tonnes of sense
I went from a single cylinder 650 thumper (KLR-650) to a K1600 GTL which is about the biggest most powerful touring bike you can buy and I don't regret buying the GTL at all!
Anything is better that coming off a KLR 650, Defend your biggest heaviest bike theory all you like, it will nothing when its tipped over on you, and your foot is underneath, and there is no one around to lift if off, and your cellphone is out of reach.....its more common than you might think.....
@David Colin Fisher Been there, done that on my KLR, tore a hamstring when it tipped over on me. I was able to pick it up with one leg and ride 300 miles back home on one butt cheek.
Yeah, but a KLR has most of the big bike negatives w/o the midsize bike positives.
Me looking at my klr 650 outside.... hey she gets me there 😢
Morning Stu. Good video. I have recently got to the same mindset as you. I’ve had 3 1100cc bikes and enjoyed them when I was a bit younger. As I’ve gotten older I found the Blackbird (I still have) more of a struggle to ride comfortably and even worse to go camping on. Since May I’ve downsized to a 650 Enfield and it has made biking so much easier and more enjoyable.
Good on you 👏 I think now smaller capacity machines are much better, I started off in the 60s with anything I could get my hands on , didn't care what it was as long as it had 2 wheels and an engine , I've had allsorts of machines nothing elaborate but functional, I'm still riding a 35 year old B M W K 75c which has never let me down , I'm 72 and am thinking of getting a lighter bike for practical purposes, one off my sons has a limited edition yammy R1 , his insurance is £1600 , mine is £ 50 fully comp big difference in bikes and insurance & running costs, but hay hoe , a bikes a bike regardless, enjoy whatever you ride 😉 😀.
Blackbird XX ✌️✌️
I'm a Bird rider too. Nothing like it.
I also have a Triumph Thruxton.
Looking at a Street Triple next.
But never an RE for me 😁
I identify and agree with every single word you said in this video, I have owned huge bikes for years now, and I don't get the fun I used to have in the 80's on smaller machines. My smallest bike i currently own is a Honda ST 1300. After watching your video I have decided to downsize and get the enjoyment back from motorcycling. I have subscribed to your channel as it is so good. Cheers, Steve, Dorset, England.
Thanks so much for clearing that up.. Great attitude. My 250 will be suffice & safe.. I will watch this again. The sceneries are fantastic.
Thanks for filling me in on where motorcycling went over the last 40 years, Stu- I stopped riding in 1980 and returned 18 months ago on a RE Meteor.. Can't relate to anything over 650cc. Love my 350.
I really enjoyed that particular ride - we have spectacular scenery up here in the North and you showed it perfectly.
BMW airheads are 250s wth a modern 400/600cc engine equivalent 🙂
My opinion is based on only four years of riding and experience of a handful of bikes in total. That said, I thoroughly enjoy my GSA and the versatility it gives. Whilst big, they are nimble and can be taken down narrow Derbyshire lanes as much as motorway cruises alike. Technique helps moving the bike manually, and builds confidence when in low speed corners. Every ride leaves a smile, even if popping to the shops! It’s 50/50 if I take my GSA or my Interceptor 😂
Been doing a lot of homework on what I want for my next bike. This video was very helpful. Thank you.
Fantastic video sir. Appreciate your honesty and straightforward approach.
Spot on Stu.....Ive no bike at present but had an Africa Twin which was a pain to get out of my shed. I've even had all my bike gear on, ready to go on a blast, opened the shed door, looked at the bike and thought "I can't be arsed", and locked the shed door up. Then I went onto a CB500X and realised, to me, that is the ideal bike, manageable and powerful enough. I too used to get caught up in bhp figures, and am now looking at buying a 200cc scooter.
Thank you Stuart for a very honest , real-life view of big bikes. I think many motorcyclist go through an evolution of bikes, starting with small cc bikes progressing to bigger ,faster bikes and then go back to the roots , with efficient,smaller bikes. Ideally, it would be nice to have several bikes. At the age of 64, I am still enjoying my GS , even though I agree with everything you said. Crazy, isn’t it…..who said motorcycling has to do with reason ❤. Enjoy and ride safe, whatever you may be riding….p.s., just discovered your channel, you have a new fan!
Stuart, what an awesome video mate. I am an expat Brit who moved to Canada 20 years ago having ridden since the age of 16 and done all those roads in the UK and more. I have to agree with you wholeheartedly in respect to the UK, a massive touring motorcycle is about as much use a a chocolate fire guard.
However, we have just retired and spend hundreds of hours on our trusty old 2010 Honda Goldwing here in Canada and our winters in the USA. It’s a total different experience here because of the huge distances and super wide roads so you do need a BiG Bike. That said I have to say the most fun I’ve ever had on any of my many bikes was on my 1986 Kawasaki Z650.
I remember "The long way round " when one of the BMWs broke down and EWAN MCGREGOR was useing a 125 and his remarks saying he wushed he had done the whole trip on it.
Two thousand miles around northern Spain this summer on a gs12 with the missus and full heavy luggage. I honestly can not think of a smaller bike that would have had the comfort, handling (fantastic on those hundreds of hairpins) or economy. 56mpg over those 2k. Pillion comfort is vital for a harmonious holiday and she had no complaints on her first ever trip abroad. ED: I wrote this whilst listening, i see you got the same mpg with your later model gs.
The GS12 is a nice bike, but try hairpins with a CVT 250cc scooter: my friend with his GS12 had a sore foot from changing gear - I just enjoyed the scenery :) .
Perhaps part of the fun of a smaller bike or scooter, is 'doing the impossible', like Ed March does...
a Royal Enfield 650 would have done it
@@maakamakana7007two up with luggage? 😂
Bang on
You're spot on Stuart, I hardly rode my 250 Kg bike as it was a pain to get out and manoeuvre. I think I covered less than 3K miles in three years on it. I bought a Meteor this year and have done over 3K already, you can't keep me of it, I'm like a teenager again. 😀
Awesome 😎👍👍
The Meatier is mightier :)
Wise words. Our buttons are always being pushed to upgrade to something bigger and faster. I've downsized to a ktm 390 adv and it tours very capably on heavily policed Australian roads, especially with the addition of a cruise control ecu. Its brought back the joy of motorcycling to me and I will try very hard to avoid 'upgrading' to bigger bikes again.
I have a 95 Thunderbird and an Africa Twin Adv Sport. And as different as they are, they've both done everything I've asked from Touring to commuting to carrying DJ gear. Whilst the Thunderbird is now limited to dry days out, i'd still have every confidence it could do what I ask again.
Have to say though, the Africa Twin is probably the best compromise I've come across.
Same here, but with a 2002 Bonneville :)
You couldn't have put it any better! I have the exact feeling about huge, heavy motorbikes. Top heaviness, high seat height and lower fuel economy are just some of the pitfalls one can encounter, not to mention the exorbitant high sale price! And with that high price comes higher insurance premiums. Well done Stuart, I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. Cheers.
Last year I rode Auckland to Invercargill for the Burt Munro, a round trip of some 3,260km (2,065 miles) on a Royal Enfield single 500, with a mix of camping and motels on the way there and back. A fantastic trip which the 500 completed with aplomb. Was riding with an Indian Scout, BMW GS1200 and a Interceptor 650 who never felt that I'd held them up at any point. So agree absolutely, with Stuart's comments. Don't hold yourself back from touring just because you don't have a "tourer".
Nial, I think that has to be one of the best bike videos I’ve watched. I wholeheartedly agree with every thing you said.
I’ve just come back from a week in Normandy, did 640 miles. When I bought the bike I changed the screen for a Puig touring screen hoping I would travel in a calm bubble of smooth air. Nope, I got buffeted to hell and back, it just did fit me/the bike accurately.
Asking mates to help push back - yes done that. The number of times my bum has eat my underpants anticipating trying to get out of an uphill T junction is legend.
The other thing is big tourers are so tall, my inside leg is only 30” so tip toeing a big tourer is like ice skating.
So, thank you mate. A great reason argument against the beomoths.
As a bonus, that scenery was stunning.
One of my favourite parts of the video was when you were talking about the advertisers, “a tall slim blond Doris on the back”😂😂
Cheers buddy, have subscribed. Looking for future content. Take care 👍👍👍
I have a different point of view. I used to ride middle weight Bike, 650-800, i bought a 1290 sas 2021, mind blown off, but too much troubles with the vendors... They messed up my bike to a point I had to sell it back. I recently bought the Norden 901 Expedition as i started riding offroad a lot as well as going on long road trips. But to me. On the road the Norden isn't enough. To pass a car with my girlfriend and luggages I have to shift down at least 2 gears so i can safely pass a single car... For me, it lacks power. 105hp isn't enough for a 230kg bike + 2 people and luggages...
I see your point, with all the fuel economy and all, but I don't have to care about what gear is in on the 1290 and for me it makes it all. I have all what I need and even more for every situation on the road.
It's my take. I know I'm not right about everything but I think this is quite important
Interesting video, when I moved to rural Spain 15 years ago. I tried all
Sorts of bikes that would deal with our local mountain roads. Eventually going for smaller capacity bikes. I had an RE classic from new which I sold because I thought I needed more power and instantly regretted. A year ago I bought a new Himalayan with the adventure kit. It pretty much covers all the bases for my location. My wife after a recent illness decided after many years that she wanted to jump back on the pillion seat. Whilst we had many adventures on the Himi, 2 up it’s a strain on open roads but doable. Not wanting to go down the big bike route for many of the reasons you mentioned. I bought a 2018 Vstrom 650. It’s perfect and we have ventured much further afield. It’s just at the top end of the compromise, weight, manoeuvrability etc. The crazy thing is as you said. We don’t go anywhere quicker than we do on the Himi. Just a bit more comfortable. Great video mate.
thank you for also putting the reasons we buy more powerful bikes. More torque means less strain on engine, less revs, less noise, more comfort. Especially 2 up, with sadles and stuff. The Himalayan is "fine" but no way I would drive on it with a passenger, and its engine doesn't like to rev as much as the Suzuki's. The VStrom 650 is geat. I pushed to the Tiger 800 but it's comparable
Who the heck makes the Himalayan??
That's our problem in North America. We've all fallen prey to "bigger is better" mindset, so our continent doesn't import any small to mid-size brands.
Started late in life with a Rebel 300. After 18 months the Siren song of a Versys 650 lead me to a dealership where the points you make became apparent upon examination. Sharing your experience confirmed my impressions and I thank you. Many say you can tour on anything, the trick is to get out of your driveway and go!
Hi Stuart, just to say hi and to say I really enjoy your vids. It’s good to listen to someone who talks a good deal of sense about motorcycling. Even though i’ve only recently returned to two wheels, after a break of 50 years + the subject of which bike to go for was a big one. Aspirations of youth, that dream motorcycle that you could never afford. The influences of those close to you, the bikes they rode and enjoyed, the motorcycle press, bike promotions and reviews all had a contradictory impact on my choice. The fact that I had not ridden before for so long meant that test rides were not accessible to inform my choice. As such good counsel was lost in a sea of contradiction and disinformation. In the end I decided to go with my aspiration of youth. A choice i’m not sure I would have made if impartial and informed reviews had been available, As a consequence I bought a bike that, although it had only done 69 miles when I bought it ,has spent more time in my basement suffering from inherent problems of its manufacture than it has spent on the road.
Needless to say, my desire to relive the experience of riding again has been somewhat tainted. As has my confidence in what I had previously considered to be good sources of advice and information.
My dream to relive the pleasure and freedom of motorcycling’ alas stays just that.
Me looking at the fine weather reports and pondering lost riding opportunities whilst my bike rests in the basement, forlorn and neglected whilst waiting to be repaired.
It could have and should have been so different, i never realised the impossibility of seeking good advice, thus enabling me to make a good and informed decision.
Lol, I continue to search and dream of course. After all i have thoroughly enjoyed the actual moments I have spent riding and relearning lost skills but……..
Ride them big or small ride them all 0:51
Bravo! Thank you so much for sharing your experience on this issue... I needed that.
Hi Stu
Great video once again!
Exactly my thoughts.
I had a Pan 1300 which was a great bike but weighed 330 kg fuelled up, and then an fjr 1300 which was slightly lighter. However it had power and performance which were way above my requirements.
Traded in 2 years ago for a V strom 650 xt and haven’t looked back.
Regularly 70 mpg and 20 l tank gives great range.
Nice and light and v twin engine is a peach,
Much more enjoyable on todays roads .
Cheap to run and service too.
Thank you for this reality check. I am a big guy with a relatively mid sized or even “small” Vulcan S 650. I’ve already encountered friends and salespeople telling me the bike is too small and I will outgrow it and need something bigger, but so far I have genuinely enjoyed almost every minute on the little Vulcan and with every ride I think I get farther away from wanting anything bigger.
The Vulcan 900 is my dream. I’d rather have the belt than chain. I love them both. I think I’m terms of capacity, the 650 is all I’d ever need. The 900 would be indulgence….
Totally agree with you,I'm owner of a Vespa GTS 300 and i use it for daily commuting and traveling.
Bravo from Greece.
Once again, I couldn’t agree more.
My RE 350 Classic goes everywhere, in style and comfort and great economy, more smiles to the gallon than anything else I’ve ever owned
Great review Stu,, I generally agree especially as I am getting closer to 60. My best ever bike to do everything was a Yamaha fj1200. A low seat and centre of gravity, low revving and torquey engine, all day comfort, great for commuting, slim enough to filter, great at low speed and motorway cruising too. It did everything I needed well without costing a fortune, a rare thing in modern motorcycling! Keep up the great work Stu, one of the best channels on here 👍
After owning 32 bikes my fj 1200 was the best. Loved it.
@@yeoie0257 amazing machines, I wouldn't part with mine, ever! 👍
Great machine.
I love my BSA 250 singles. I ride mine two up at 60 MPH and it has plenty of throttle left over. You can ride it all day without getting exhausted or walking like a crab when you get off it. Outside of motorways they are the perfect size for commuting green laning errand running and everyday riding. Lightweight great for stopping and smell the roses kind of riding. If the old English manufacturers were still in business and they sold their bikes they would be able to sell as many bikes as they could build. A high horsepower crotch rocket is only good for the racetrack.
Have to say I understand what you are saying for the types of roads you are showing. At the same time I would say its definitely different strokes for different folks. I am 5'6" and 130lbs, I have owned many motorcycles of different sizes, but my favorites have been three different Goldwings. A 1200, a 1500 and an 1100 and for me touring around the USA they were unbeatable as I also towed a trailer. I did one tour where I did close to 10,000 miles in a little over three week. Basically a complete circuit of the country. There were a few instances where the size and weight were an issue, but my 1500 have a reverse so that made a big difference. Anyway, I encourage every one to ride what they like and works for them. They are all fun.
Lovely video and commentary. Having been on 1000s for decades have lately been enjoying riding around East Africa on local bikes. The best was a Bajaj 150 (made in India). Super economical, parts available everywhere and perfect for the road conditions.
This would have to be one of the best videos made. Well done. Creating memories fir the right reasons, pure gold
Hi Stuart.
I started riding motorcycles at sixteen years old. The bike that I lusted after, was a Norton Commando 850, after seeing one on the cover of BIKE magazine.
Some three years later, I bought one and had a couple of wonderful years riding. That Norton made a massive sixty BHP.
Wife, mortgage and Daughter happened, so four wheels replaced two.
Over the years, I had a couple of cheap bikes, but always said that I would treat myself to something big and powerful someday.
In 2017, I was in the happy position of having the spare cash to buy that bike, and not wanting to do anything like touring, I looked for a big, powerful naked bike.
What I chose, was a Yamaha MT09. Yes, it had plenty of power, but was extremely uncomfortable to ride and in relatively slow moving traffic, the throttle response was awful.
I reckon that I put less than fifty miles on the thing before parking it up!
About a year later, I sold it back to the dealer, losing almost four thousand pounds!
I'm getting a bit old and knackered for two wheels now. However, the three-fifty Enfield does look extremely tempting...
Thank you for all the videos. I look upon you as the motorcycling voice of reason!
Go for the 350 classic. Running in a little bit of a pain but so worth it
I haven't ridden a bike for over 30 years after a crash on my Honda CBX550. I'm now 61 and 3 months ago I bought a Royal Enfield 350 classic red and chrome. It cost a little bit more than what you lost on your bike. Stuart is right about all the advertised hype on big bikes. Take a test ride on a classic RE 350 . You might be surprised how enjoyable it is for normal everyday riding.
I just finished a 1500km road trip around the Vosges, Alps and Black Forest on a BMW G310R. I picked this bike after sitting and testing on plenty of 300cc, and this one fit like a glove (plus had a end of summer dale that put it at under 5000 euros with 5 year guarantee). Then I added a top case, wind shield and engine protection and made it very versatile to go to work and run errands comfortably.
My motorcycle is just a toy and I love how cost efficient this little one is. Plus, I can actually pick it up when I drop it.
I expected to come back from the trip frustrated about its limits but in reality, I am the ones with the limits (skill, confidence). Except for one or two times that I wanted to overtake and didn’t feel confident on the acceleration, she handled everything like a charm.
At this point, getting a bigger one will probably decrease the fun factor of motorcycling for me.
And if anyone is curious, I spent less than 100 euros in gas in the entire 1500km trip.
I agree 100% Stuart. I regularly ride a 1970 Honda C90 and use it for all sorts of rides from shopping to touring. I can't tell you how many riders come up to me and tell me that they've lost the fun of riding for exactly the reasons you described and are considering downsizing. Others I meet have already downsized and enjoy their riding again like they used to before they joined the big bike merry go round.
I enjoyed your video and, as I've only just discovered your channel, I've subscribed. Cheers, Stefan.😊
You've summed up my own experience and arrived at the very same conclusion as myself.
Currently ride a lowered Yamaha T7. Mostly for long days, tar top riding but with 'options'.
I recently did touring weekend in the UK's Lake District and the bike was a dream to ride and equal in capability to any of the litre + and more exotic company.
A mate on his Kawasaki Versys 300 found his bike just about perfect for all the reasons you've stated in your video. Thanks!
What a great video! You’ve managed to articulate exactly how I feel. I’ve had many large capacity machines. Have taken a modern 2.3l Rocket 3 over the Pyrenees and down into Spain, a gs12 over the highest paved pass sun the alps etc etc. I always thought it was about power and speed. However, for the exact reasons you talk about, I simply wasn’t enjoying motorcycling anymore, so I stopped. Then I rode an Interceptor 650. My joy of motorcycling has returned!!!!!! AND you can work on it yourself without computers etc, which creates that special bond between man (or woman) and machine. It’s real motorcycling, rediscovered. Thanks for all your hard work bring us these great videos!
Thanks for sharing. Very timely. I am taking a GS1250 for a trial tomorrow. Already had doubts but now know that I need to reappraise my requirements.
Couldn't agree more & another excellent vid. I've been a scooter rider in both Vespa & Lambretta scooters for many years and toured most of the UK plus trips into Europe. You don't really need a big bike but I guess we all have different tastes. Recently just purchased a Triumph T100 Bonnie which I absolutely love and plan a few UK trips on that. Keep up the good work on your vids. I especially love the bike maintenance & cleaning ones. By the way, if you ever write a book you can guarantee I'll be reading it in your voice LOL
Great scenery. When I lived in the UK I loved doing 3 day touring trips on my Street Triple 675. With a gel seat it was comfortable, handled great on rural roads and went like stink. I never wanted anything bigger.
Completely agree. I’m a bit late to this party at 60 but after a lifetime of big tourers swapping my R1250 RT for 3 new Royal Enfields was a fine decision. Interceptor,Classic 350 and Scram 411 and it’s the Scram which I go to most often because it does everything so well….including touring👍🏻
For me, a ol' git returning rider set on Moto camping and relaxed touring that comment comes as a bit of a.... surprise. I'm thinking about the 650, a Himmy and most probable, a 350 Classic. For me it's the appeal of the J series and that gurt fat individual saddle, but we'll see.
I started riding small displacement two stroke singles off road and later, as a teenager, owned a Yamaha 200cc twin street bike that got me everywhere I needed to go. I eventually acquired a 650 Triumph Bonne in the late 70’s and thought I was the boss. Later on I had a 750 Yamaha triple shafty and rode it across Canada in comfort. After numerous sport and enduro bikes, I later got into sport touring with a Honda ST-1100. Eventually I went back to a smaller displacement Kawi 650 Versys which was a great commuter and had a Honda CFR 250 dirt bike for off road riding. Today I am riding a KTM 390 Adv, and it brings a smile to my face every time I swing my leg over it. It is small, light, and nimble, and a great commuter, but still able to handle highway riding at 70-75mph fairly easily, and also handle moderate off road riding. At 65yo, after over 50 years of riding, I have done full circle, being back on a small displacement single and absolutely loving it.
Thanks Stuart, FANTASTIC review, and I can relate. Nothing quite like common sense and practical experience.
Well said Stuart. I have had smaller bikes most of my life and found them to be capable and much more fun than the big bikes I have owned.
At 62 I now have a cb500x I bought new 3 years ago and it does everything I need.
Interesting that you're not the first person in the few hours this article has been up who has indicated that when you give yourself a reality check the CB500X is the 'go to' bike. Love the idea of its weight, flexibility (the joys of an adventure bike for the real world when you probably don't plan riding to Siberia or across Africa on it) and of course, Honda build quality. Must book a test ride with my local Honda dealer...
I'm 66, 42 years experience, and at a measly 5'7"....I'm looking hard at the 500X too. I WANT to go offroad, and I NEED to be able to PICK it up.
I had (amongst other bikes) a BMW R80RT for over 28 years and covered over 200k miles, but it suited my usage at the time, 3 hours each day on the motorway, and long distance touring holidays. I agree with your analysis, I learned, as you did when I no longer needed the daily motorway use it started to take the joy out of bike ownership for all the reasons you mentioned, following a back injury it was no longer really viable to keep and reluctantly I sold it when I bought a Classic 500, I have no real regrets, I love the RE and it does all that I ask of it and has given me back my enjoyment of motorcycling, TBH the only thing I miss is being able to hide behind the big fairing at times. I would buy another bigger bike than the 500, but only if I go back to having a sidecar outfit.....and that's a whole different topic.....many thanks again for the video Stu.
Great info as always - Thx - I listen to your insight and not disappointed yet !
Hi Stuart, Thoroughly enjoyed this video of yours. I have experienced all the issues you have had in the past whilst owning the large BM's and Kwakis. After a few years of no bikes I have recently bought the new RE 350 meteor super nova. Am now experiencing the best biking I have ever had. Long may it last. regards, david blenkinship, Leyland, Lancs.
Excellent video Stuart😀 thank you.
Biking constantly since 1977, currently riding a 790 Bonneville and an SH300 Honda. Having had over 50 bikes of all sorts, I know that small bikes are less hassle, cheaper and, in the most, just as capable as big bikes. Often ego gets in the way of sensible choices.
My next bike will most likely be a Royal Enfield 350 or a Honda Forza/ADV 350.
Might even get both...😁
Keep up the good work 👍
SH300 owner to, best bike I've had so far.
This made a lot of sense, mate. It was always in the back of my mind and needed just that little push and you did it. Marketing hype is all it is, hype!
I loved what you said, now I've not been on a bike tour in decades... but I can totally relate to my little MG Midget which I've had since 1981 and done with less style than what you do on your bikes. It's the adventure the camaraderie and pleasure of being out with the wind in your hair enjoying those moments of utter fun, when you are smiling and throwing round bends with ease. Now I'm probably a couple of years older than you and can't relate any bike experience for 35 years, but loved the memories of Tan Hill Inn and those Yorkshire Dale Roads you showed and possibly Hardnott pass ....plus the joys of doing 5000 miles in a vehicle folk thought under powered and not suitable in standard form back last October November. Thanks for the memories and the inspiration to do on and in vehicles that can but hyp stops so many from trying 👍 Johnny
Very wise thoughts, your great experience and knowledge in motorcycles is immediately noticeable, greetings from Mexico.
Excellent video Stuart with something I've long suspected, big machines are a hassle. I passed my motorcycle test in 1973 and had lots of scooters and small motorbikes. I currently own a Vespa GTS300 and been to Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales. Longest day trip was 275 miles to Brighton. I use it for a daily run about for work and pleasure and it copes easily with everything. I've thought about a bigger machine but don't think I'll bother especially after you've made a video about what I've suspected all along, it's not all about size...
Hi, as a teenager I rode my Suzuki GT 185 from N. Yorkshire to Cornwall, and to the Lakes District on camping holidays and back without any issues and now own a RE 350 classic (and love it ) after owning big bore bikes. One suggestion I would make for the big bike riders is to reverse into tricky parking (pebbles or rocky) areas so you can drive straight out, instead of reversing, depending of course on the incline.
Regards
Ha, did the same with a bit of cheating - put the GT185 on the Royal Mail carriage at Padington & took it off at Truro. Had a great tour of North & South Cornwall though - soft south southern shi* that I am.
Never mind, we can't help where we are born eeeh bye gum
Dave, I had one too back in the eighties. Loved it but fuel range was less than 100 miles on a full tank as I remember it. Still a great bike !
I was a motorbike courier in Sydney and crossed the bridge everyday, it is stunning 😍
Hey there, I had a Suzuki GT100 while in college -- what a fun bike !
So, I can very well relate to your GT185 ( which I think would be even more fun ).
I still remember, and wish I could drive it again.
Lots of good points you make here. Even though I mostly ride a 1200GS I agree with your perspective. Thanks for a good video 🙂
That was some good, positive reinforcement for me. I recently down-sized from an R1250RS to a much lighter Ducati Monster 937. We’ve just come back from a trip to the Isle of Man (from Devon). I found my bike a lot more comfortable and quieter, due to only having a tiny screen. The biggest bonus for me is not being afraid to go into gravel, rutted, or sloping car parks, as I’m not scared of dropping it. I feel free to explore again.
So so true Stuart , as a biker in my youth I too have realised at 65 what I require is a machine around 350cc, I am strongly considering either a Himalayan or a Classic 350 to go on leisurely jaunts across the UK for a week or two, maybe the realisation comes with age 🤔
Hey there! I just turned 60 years old three days ago. I bought the classic 350 back in June. I’ve been on bicycles and mopeds my whole life but not a motorbike. So I’m a new rider. The classic 350 is an amazing bike! I absolutely love it. You won’t be sorry you bought one! Cheers from the Pacific Northwest.
I have done a few foreign tours on old two stroke Lambrettas, fitted with modern ignitions and touring 225cc barrel kits, they are capable of cruising at 60mph almost everyday of the week and can do around 75mph in favourable conditions for short periods. The way I see it is as long as I can keep in front of the HGV's I'm doing fine.
Excellent! Great scenery (I remember some of those roads) and well argued. I had a BMW1200RT for a few years and found it excellent except for the drawbacks you mentioned. BUT... in my case, I live in Germany, and I do need to travel long distances on the Autobahns to get anywhere interesting. For example I once needed to ride home from s.Germany to near Hamburg rather quickly and my BMW did this just fine. I cruised at around 140kmh nearly all the way and enjoyed the superb wind and weather protection of a full fairing. I covered 750 km in a total of 7h15min including stops. Another time I rode from Troyes in France to home (1100km) in one day, again cruising on Autobahns at around 140kmh. I could not have done that on any other bike I have owned. But as you say, I found it too heavy to handle when just pushing it around a car park. My last bike was a Kawasaki W800 which would also be ideal for touring in the UK. Overall it was my favourite bike, mainly for the reasons you mentioned. I am now 75 and hare given up two wheels for a CanAm Spyder (for fast touring) and a (don't laugh) an Ural Ranger which has turned out to be utterly reliable and a great fun bike to ride..... the dog loves it.
This definitely puts me off buying a bigger bike to be a little more comfortable during holidays. I have hardly any wind protection but have gotten so used to it by now.
Currently I'm the proud owner of a Husqvarna Strada, based on the G650gs. It's a blast on every aspect you give the disadvantage to big bikes. I can strap all the luggage on it that I need to go on a luxury camping trip, while regurarly overtaking big bikes ripping through the twisties. Handling the bike at lower speeds and stops with all my gear strapped to it is no major issue but needs a lot of precaution, I can't imagine how that would be with a bigger bike when you have to deal with almost twice the dead weight and power.
Yup! I agree completely; I've recently come to the same conclusion myself. Over the last few years I've had a couple of big tourers, a BMW 1250RT and a new Goldwing, amazing pieces of kit, but they were bloody hard work at times and I can relate to the comment about not being bothered to drag it out to do a short ride out. It really came home to me after I did a tour of Spain and Portugal with my Brother; I was on the Wing and he was riding an 8 year old V-Strom; and although I'm loathe to admit it, he had much more fun than me. Back in the seventies and eighties, I toured on a Suzuki AP50, a Yamaha RD200, a Triton, and my favourite bike, a Kawasaki Z1000 (I did tens of thousands of miles on it); no windscreen and minimal luggage (a tank bag and a bag strapped on the back), it was FUN! Anyway, the Wing has gone and I'm looking for my next bike; something I really want to ride, and can be used for touring too. Problem is, there are so many damned good bikes out there! Wish me luck!
V Strom 650XT is the answer :)
Vulcan 900 is my dream. The vulcan 650 is more than enough oomph. If you think of it, come back and mention what you get! A lot of my dreams are on hold. Do I enjoy cheering on others who can chase theirs….🤗
Very informative and spot on! So much of what you said is just common sense...which seems to be a lost art these days. I've owned 125cc, 250, 350, 550, 900, & a whopping 2000cc Kawasaki. The latter nearly claimed my life eleven years ago after a horrific crash. That also ended my riding. I still love them and still get that twinge to get back on but I agree (as for myself) that I would go back to a smaller more nimble bike in the future. New subscriber...thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing opinion and experience. I have a cx500 and big Harley tourer and like them both. We tried a couple smaller options for 2 up but the wife is happiest with this one for comfort’s sake. Ride what you like and what works for you and make friends along the way seems like a good attitude to remind myself to have.
What a wonderful, thoughtful article. Good work that man.