I'm in Melbourne, Australia. Stage 4 restrictions. Curfew 8pm to 5am 7 days a week, no activity other than going to (some) work places, caregiving, medical, or essential shopping (groceries) only. 5 more weeks and maybe we can go for a drive somewhere, anywhere :-)
I wonder how many are watching this and thinking ....haven't I seen this before, more than once. There are several TFL versions all of which I watch and like but there may be overlap or too many similar comparisons.
I like how it basically just ate every obstacle. To me it proves that although its older, it still cannot be underestimated, everything is mechanical which may take slightly longer than just simply turning a knob or dial, yet it works the same if not better. I have a v8 disco 1 and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Its simplistic and has real 4wd not any electronic awd system that is likely to fail when you need it the most potentially leaving you stranded
The old Defenders come down to Driver skill you feel what the the wheels are doing through the steering wheel, the new defender is all electronics it's a bad mix just because it says defender on the tin doesn't mean it's a defender under the hood, because the new defender isn't.
@@sturdivanthouse4614 surprisingly it has never actually left me stranded. (Meaning needing it towed home) The shift solenoid almost did once however I took apart the center console and used a center punch on it so that would never happen again. Problem solved lol. It has 220k miles on it. I done alot of work to mine rebuilding it better than factory even. Ive replaced the headgaskets, thermostat, fan clutch, fan blades, new wheel bearings all around, new brake calipers all around painted caliper red, new pads and rotors all around, new brake servo, new master cylinder, new brake stop switch, new rear differential gasket, all drained/flushed and replaced, new ignition coil pack, new spark plugs and wires (yearly), new oil pan gasket, upgraded HD steering and track rods, upgraded HD pan hard rod, new power steering gearbox, all new silicone hoses. Its one of the best offroad vehicles you can get. It's more reliable than the disco 2 in alot of ways. Primarily being the 3 amigos and traction control issues. I've probably put 6 to 7k worth of parts and another 15k worth of labor into it however you learn exactly how your vehicle works and every part that makes it work by replacing everything yourself which I have done. There really isn't anything on a disco 1 that will honestly fail causing it to be actually disabled apart from the fuel inertia switch, fuel relay, fuel pump and timing chain, unless you crack the block or put a rod through the side of it. I'm currently putting a new fuel relay and pump on my discovery as we speak, I'm of the mindset to replace things before they need replacing. After all any vehicle is only as reliable as its maintenance schedule regardless of the make and model. I honestly love the vehicle, most people wouldn't put that much into a 20 year old vehicle but then again I'm not most people I'm very meticulous of my vehicles. In the next 12 months I plan on putting a 2 to 3 inch old man emu lift , upgrading all axel half shafts to hd, replacing and upgrading both drive shafts, upgrading to ashcroft air locking differentials front and rear, I also plan on getting diff guards and oil/steering guards.
Yup - was an SR5. That one spot in the video where it had a lot of wheel spin would have been a moment when they had traction control turned off. A-Trac does a lot better than a lot of people give it credit for
It clearly states it is a TRD off-road on the side of the vehicle. I doubt it is just an SR5 with TRD badging. Pause the video at 12:33 and you can see it.
Just for fun yes, it has the badging, but the badging is placed differently than it would have come from the factory. The front and rear bumpers are those of the SR5, there is no hood scoop, and the rear hatch has body matched paint where it says 4Runner. That’s an SR5. On all TRD models, that rear hatch has black on it. TRD Off Roads have silver valences on the front and rear bumpers, and also have the hood scoop.
even i had an old jonga military jeep which is a highly capable off-roader.. only issue is ull bang ur head against metal and ur spine will feel the pain once u pass the bad rough road.. it had no features no airbags no safety assistance as well .. Incase of an accident im pretty sure one of the metal part which it is made will go right pass my eye socket and exit through my skull behind like a bullet.. its a coffin..
I think the new Defender looks great for what it is - if I wanted a dedicated off-roader that I don’t have to use every day then there are better choices - but if I want a car that can carry me and my family in great comfort most of the time, and get to some great, remote, moderately hard to get to locations at the weekend, then it’s perfect.
Exactly my point and exactly what this was made for. This is a family vehicle that for family recreations, it will take you anywhere! No rock crawler goes with family inside. Ill go with the defender
But that's what the LR4 is for. Land Rover is nothing without at least one dedicated off roader - and that has to be the Defender. That said, I think the video was biased and deliberately trying to show the New Defender in a poor light.
Solid axles rule off road. IFS has limitations off road but better on the highway. It doesn't matter how good your traction control is if you can't keep the tires planted on the ground.
@r2d23678 they made it with ifs because it will get the job done and will be more comfortable for 95% of the drivers who will never go off road. Apparently Ford's new broncos completed the Rubicon trail
@@floof4444 All true. Those of us who crawl always want a solid axle but the truth is Ford is better off selling it as IFS because the fact is most people will buy it because it looks cool and won't do anything more serious than a fire road. As you said, IFS is better on road and even for going fast in the desert. Where it looses is in technical terrain, strength, and easy of modification. From the videos this week on the Con it does look like it did well for IFS, but it will never match a real axle for flex.
@@donhappel9566 true. But with this kind of truck. It doesn't need to imo. It's impressive as is. Literally stock to stock almost everything is better on the bronco. Atleast as far as approach and departure angles and they seem to match in articulation from what I remember from looks at the stats
@@floof4444 im tired of seeing this comment. you need to look at BOTH the vehicles stats not just your bronco. Stock for stock the wrangler is not only cheaper but also more capable offroad. You can't just go babbling false info like that
The intro, production and editing were second to none in this video. Great job guys. Really enjoy all your channels and makes proud to be a Patreon member. 👌👍
Fun video. However, comparing a base model Defender without all the off-road options, to a Gladiator Rubicon with all the off-road options is a one sided review. Even the 4Runner doesn’t seem to be a TRD Pro and they did great.
Thanks for running Red Cone! I drove up it on my 16th birthday in a YJ Wrangler with a 3" lift and 33x12.5" tires. I love the view from the top and grew up camping in the area every chance I got.
andrew wade we are building one next week with locking rear diff, 33x12.5r18 BFG KM3’s (way better rim size, wider foot print, and much better tire), sliders, and a 2” lift. More videos to come on even more difficult terrain...
@ no Farmer will buy the new land rover defender. Only some wealthy hipsters are and will only drive it on pavement. For my taste it should have solid axles be triple locked and have only the necessary electronic gizmos
@ maybe they don't. But this is a DEFENDER. It should be standard whether used or not. I understand the option in a Discovery or a Velar maybe but not in a Defender.
@ no i am not from England ,you said it yourself ''wealthy'' . Anyone who had the old defender was using it as a real workhorse.loading it up with all kinds of cargo going through stick and stone without worrying about a scratch or dent on the bodywork.the new defender is more like a lifestyle vehicle.
The defender is sitting on the rock on its rear suspension arm at 8:07 and 8:30. Basically, the car goes up when the air suspension is raised, but the lower suspension arms stay where they are. The lower suspension arms happen to connect to the wheel hub right from below, which means it is very close to the ground. Also, the arms are flat and wide, making it more probable to sit the car on it, I think.
Correct! We are looking forward to more lift so we can get 35’s under the New Defender by next summer. It has amazing capability out of the box. These have only been in the US a few weeks... stay tuned for the next New Defender build!!!
From what I saw, I thought the old Defender was the toughest off roader, taking just about everything in its stride without losing breath. But then I am a big old Landie fan, having driven them off road in deserts while in the military, so I'm biased.
New Defender is MUCH more than a rock crawling vehicle. It tows and carries as much or more than a half ton truck. Yet It’ll still do this terrain, much better with the rear locker, in total comfort. It’s an absolute great machine for it’s updated intents and purposes. Most people who dog it only do so because they can never, ever afford one.
@@coolsquad7428 Other than portal axles how do you get better angles crosswise? Live axles have that big diff housing. Got to have a tradeoff and it's control arms.
@@deanfawcett2085 The whole point of the Defender was that it was supposed to be Land Rovers take on what the ultimate off roader should be, so it should be massively better than a Discovery, so I was 100% expecting portal axles or portal independent suspension. Or if they really wanted to impress me - using the air suspension to shape shift it from a fast road cruiser to a portal axle based off road monster when it's jacked it up to off road mode. The 2005 Taureg TFL used in previous videos has more ground clearance than the new Defender, so 15 years ago VW just threw something out that may well have ticked more off road boxes than this and sold it as a luxury SUV. Losing chunks of the lower control arm on a rock a Suzuki Jimny would have cleared is pretty shameful, but part of it is that I suspect everyone driving was so used to beam axle 4x4s that it didn't occur to them that the new Defender would need to use the trail differently.
@@deanfawcett2085 Lower control arms being below the hubs has nothing to do with CV angle. LR could have easily given it a higher clearance lower control arm. Rock crawling UTV's literally have the control arms bend upwards from the hub until they are just below the CV axle and then go strait off from there. They could have also made the control arms longer and mounted closer to the vehicles center line for better travel numbers. . Now, a portal hub could allow for higher LCA placement, that would cause leverage issues with the tire over the LCA but could allow for a higher mounted differential for more ground clearance down the center of the truck.
With a Rear Diff Lock, the Defender would have done all that,and a lot more, so much easier. Add a few more mods, and it’s a beast off road. The cameras give u a great view of the terrain and r helpful. The Defender also has comfort, and is a great daily driver. Well done LR. 👍👍
Look forward to seeing a new defender 110 with all the off road goodies, vs the jeep wrangler unlimited rubicon, vs the old defender 110 vs the ford bronco 4 door vs the forerunner
I really can't get all that hate, that is pouring down on new Defender. The brand Land Rover has changed since 90's and 00'. It is a luxury brand now, and some need to face it. The Defender 2020 is also a different vehicle, than old one. It is neither an agricultural machine, that can be fixed with hammer, duct tape and wire, nor off-road monster. It is most competent and capable SUV, not hardcore off-roader. Independent pneumatic suspension provides much better handling and smooth gliding over majority of surfaces. I can't even imagine how terrible would be to travel 700+ miles in one day in old Defender, Wrangler or Bronco, while in new Defender it shouldn't be any problem. All you need before going into rough terrain is to change set of tyres from 22" Pirelli to 18" BF Goodrich. It is something that no other car can offer. New Defender is way more versatile, than any other regular off-road vehicle with live axle. IFS is really a big steep forward.
Absolutely love the new Defender , it is unmatched when it comes to all round ability , the only vehicle in this video that can be used as a daily driver as 95% of the time it will be on road , ( the jury is still out off road without a rear diff lock ) Americans seem to have a deluded view of the old school Defender , possibly because they have been deprived of it for 23 years , it was incredibly noisy , cramped , uncomfortable , really poor performance & economy , no creature comforts and had a dated interior , and along with Jeeps are hopeless on tarmac and will kill you in a collision , not sure if all this hate is prejudice or ignorance , idiots are comparing top of the line Defender against stock Jeeps , i configured one to my required spec ( don't need so many extras , no need to worry about damaging the base wheels ) it came to around $ 53 ,000 which i think is amazing value !.
It’s very capable off road and unreal on road. Almost 400 HP with 8200 lb tow capacity and increadibly comfortable... it absolutely flies up The mountain pulling a trailer passing everything!
Possibly it's because they've put a defender badge on a family SUV to grab a few sales on the back of the defenders heritage, this will never be a true Defender, which was primarily a commercial,agricultural and military work horse just like the original Jeep! This new SUV is in reality a new discovery/freelander replacement, and probably a very very good one, When I see one camo'd up being used by the British Army, or being used by determined and courageous people to explore the toughest parts of the globethen I'll call it a defender! And yes, my daily is a 'proper' Defender, comfy enough if you stretch your legs every 3hrs ;-)
Talking about lockers and whatnot. I recently went out for 50 miles of trail with some technical spots (about as technical as red cone). We had 4 stock vehicles (the tires were upgraded). We had a 4 runner SR5, 2019 Jeep Grand trailhawk, Taco TRD-off-road, 2019 ford ranger (it has a leveling kit and one size up in tires). These all did fabulously. We didn't use lockers just the terrain select modes and electronics to get up the trail. I was really impressed with all the vehicles. Makes me wonder, outside of rock crawling, how much do you need lockers on today's off-roaders
I wonder too. The 4Runner sr5 has a trac and the grand Cherokee has a similar system. They are pretty much just as effective as a rear locker. Good tires are so important.
I love your content and I have been following you guys for years now… thanks for the real life, hands-on reviews. I have had Rovers for years and I am about to pull the trigger on the new Defender. I'm not a serious off-roader, but I enjoy getting off of the beaten path. Btw, my Disco 5 does really well off road, just needs the right tires. Cheers!!!
Wow that 4Runner walked that trail where the Defender got hung up big time. Glad Land Rover brought back the Defender even though the suspension is as stiff as a board.
We wheel both our 4Runner and this New Defender... they are almost identical off road. Both on 2” lift with 33” BFG KO2’s. Building another Defender next week locked With 33x12.5r18 KM3’s (more foot print and more sidewall), sliders, and 2” lift. More videos to follow...
@@WW-wf8tu Was the one in the video not a real TRD? I couldn't tell. In a few scenes I wondered if the rear was locked. Mine is a Trail Edition, so it has the rear locker and Crawl Control. I think in 17 they changed it from Trail to TRD OR. I'm looking forward to getting mine out and seeing what it can do. Right now I have RSG sliders and RCI skids, with tires/suspension next on the mod list.
In TN we have roads that are very loose gravel and extremely narrow. They are very long and curvy and wet a lot of the time. I would love to see you set up a situation with an extreme incline with loose gravel very narrow. That would be telling on your anti-spin technology of various vehicles. I do not see many easy(?) climbs like you guys use in my area.
Yaa those who can’t afford one and definitely not worthy of that lush luxury car will definitely buy a jeep no doubt that. People like you just know to comment but definitely can’t afford Land Rover
@@LigerZeroFtw if you could afford you had not commented this cheep and a decade old mindset lines, grow up kid get a life or May be go fu*k your self. Dumb aassss
Which is the preparation of the old defender? Both axles with diff lock? It was the best of the video, short vehicles in that kind of trail performs better and that old Land Rover is short and It seems It have a good offroad preparation.
Well, they both have transfer cases, but you are right, the Jeep has a part-time system with no center diff. Though the Sahara does an on-demand transfer case that doesn't have a center diff but can be left in 4hi"
As far as I know Jeep Sahara on demand system has clutch pack, not center locking differential. Clutch pack is way cheaper than center locking differential.
My Mitsubishi Montero Sport AWD (permanently engaged) has viscous coupling center differential with two speed transfer case. My Toyota 4runner 4x4 has Torsen center locking differential with two speed transfer case. My Toyota Rav4 AWD has clutch pack. Toyota Sequoia 4x4 models come with Torsen center locking differential with two speed case. All Toyota Land Cruisers have Torsen center locking differential with two speed transfer case. Jeep Grand Cherokee models equipped with Quadra Drive II system come with Torsen center locking differential with two speed transfer case.
@@khondkerjamil39 Torsen is a limited slip differential type. All the Toyotas (save the rav4) and the Pajero you mentioned have 2 speed transfer cases, no center diffs. Get your facts right before commenting.
Great video guys. I thought it was a bit crap of Land Rover to say you needed to turn the diff lock off the Jeep, when theirs is the new one with the technology onboard to supposedly negate the need for it. Moral victory of the day to the 4Runner.
Excellent work guys! Thank you for a great video showing the differences between these 4x4s! Kudos to the classic defender owner and the dealership that actually took it serious off roading!
So the brand new, hyper-tech, $75k defender performs worse offroad than an old one with almost 200k miles on it. And about the same as a $40k 4runner with 20 year old tech. LOL@Land Rover. But props to the LR guy for bringing the new one out on a real trail. Great vid TFL!
I will reaffirm that the Rover is light years ahead of the others ON ROAD with almost 400 hp and 8200 lb tow capacity passing everything up the mountain pulling a trailer while cooling your Gatorade in the center console. Look I have and love my Jeeps and we’re on our third 4Runner... but none of those are the total package - capable off road and untouchable on road where 95% of this segment lives! Looking forward to the Bronco arriving too and stirring things up even more👍🏽
@@cotrails8356 Yep, it moved the needle away from offroading over to the on-road and tech side. Very similar conceptually to a 4runner but with better power/towing and newer tech. Definitely looking forward to the Bronco, but I suspect it'll lean more toward offroad. And for that $75k even though it's not apples to apples I'd take a Raptor 11/10 times of the new defender.
Love how no one is talking about Toyota. if you go all over the world try to find a Jeep/Ford/GM you only be finding Toyotas everywhere. If something works why change it, instead of improving it. That is the Toyota way.
@@jimmysando99 thanks for the explanation ! I hope there'll be a way to lift it without losing that much in articulation... I just felt sorry for the thing spinning and lifting wheels each time it went over a pebble.
@@DuckSherminator Something else that I was disappointed by with the Defender is that it is not available with active sway bars. The Active Roll Control system on my L320 Range Rover Sport is great on-road as it can effectively hydraulically stiffen the sway bars (front and rear) when cornering to significantly reduce body roll. The additional benefit of this system is that it can loosen also when in some of the Terrain Response modes like Rock Crawl. Independently sprung vehicles are always limited in wheel travel, however, between the cross-link air system and the active sway bars, I think that it performs extremely well! Would have been nice to see the Defender with this. Also, the one shown in this video lacks the optional rear e-diff which would have also helped some of that wheel slip. Not to mention that some bigger tyres wouldn't have gone astray!
@@GhassanAlHarthy Unfortunately not, though it can be retrofitted if you're extremely keen! This is in my opinion why the Discovery 3 and 4 lift wheels like crazy and appear to not have great articulation through moguls etc. I know of 2 Discovery 3's that have had the 3.6l TDV8 engine and ARC system fitted from a Range Rover Sport. That would be a great car!
New Defender: $70,000 Jeep Gladiator Rubicom: $50,000/$55,000 4runner TRD Off Road: $40,000 Old Defender: $70,000 or more I know who won. But I would get the Defenders if money weren't an issue
Good stuff, Tommy is falling more and more into his groove here. A little disappointed that the 4runner didn't get as much camera time, I would have loved to see the conclusion of that axle twister at the end for example. It looks like it wasn't really using its rear locker and it would have been a great side by side with the ND (new defender) in terms of suspension design choices and electronics, Its also too bad it was a pro and not an off-road with KDSS.
It was actually and SR5 in TRD clothing believe it or not! No locker or crawl control, just ATRAC. Next time we’ll give it more camera time! Thanks for the kind words -Tommy.
You bet! More to come with our next one we’re building (has rear locker), 33x12.5r18 KM3’s with more foot print and better tire, sliders, 2” lift... stay tuned!
I would protect the underside of the Discovery better if I wanted to drive it off road more than a couple times. Have you seen how many skid plates are available by options on the new Bronco...
I am wondering why you chose(?) to use a new Defender W/O the rear locking differential option? Not equal by far, I would say. I note Tommy at 11:16 with the same comment. But, I get it -- you run with what you have.
Loved when Roman said good job to Tommy and he replied thanks buddy-love that my dad is my friend also!! And dang Tommy how many pairs of sneakers do you own-lol
That traction control on the Toyota is far more quicker to respond than the defender. Not sure of the settings where switched. I also feel they should have included steal skids for the lower arms. Leaving aluminum on rocks is not ideal for durability. 75 grand and they can't throw in lockers or electronic limited slips front and rear.
At the start they said they were using the mud and ruts setting on the Defender. I don't know if they left it there or changed later, but if so that explains all the wheel spin - mud and ruts deliberately allows some spin to clear tread and maintain RPM. They should be using rock crawl mode which tries to limit spin and softens throttle response. If they did actually switch to RC, then we're seeing the limits of the system. Frankly all brake based traction control systems are a poor substitute for manually selectable lockers anyway.
@@harlandurant7014 With Rovicon 2020 kicking off in only a few days we did invite them to bring one out to play. For some reason they declined.... maybe next year. :)
Harlan Durant yes. They ran it and I’m excited for the new Bronco... they did not complete the difficult obstacles... many bypasses were taken. But I applaud them for running it!!!!
The thing is, all 4 of these vehicles made it up the trail no problem, but only the new Land Rover Defender can be driven across the country in ultimate comfort and luxury.
I'd been looking forward to seeing this vid ever since the behind the scenes glimpse the other day. It did not disappoint! I really dig the old school cool of the yellow Defender. As for the new one? Meh.
Roman had my stomach in my throat when he used momentum to get through the articulation moguls and scrape the wall! So much for that $76k uneasiness! Great video guys (and loved he 4Runner as well!)
Watching that defender is like watching a shopping cart with tires. Zero suspension travel. That thing would lift a wheel on a speed bump in a wal mart parking lot lol
That defender was really struggling. That trail looked like childd play to the gladiator and the old defender but the new one really seemed to not want to go up the trail
They counted aired down as 18 psi, thought that sounded high and saw why in some of the close up shots around 19 minutes - they're about 10mm off those shiny alloy rims crawling over small rocks with all for wheels on the ground - part of the struggle was they couldn't air down properly and even at 18psi they couldn't use any momentum at all without trashing the rims, another issue the lower suspension arms are massive, square, come out well below the centre of the wheel and look like they take up about 1/3 of the width of the truck no wonder they were leaving metal scrapings everywhere
I really like the defender and have actually considered buying one. Just don’t think the new ones are as trail ready as a Jeep or 4Runner. If anything I would test it against a Jeep Grand Cherokee trail hawk
the hidden message in this video tells you why Toyota has been so successful in the 4*4 industry. despite the fact that it has completed all the obstacles, Toyotas are 10 times durable than the other cars and in case you break something it will cost you half of the price to repair. no wonder the middle east where the offroad has the most extreme sand dunes and excessive heat are dominated by Land cruisers and FJs and Nissan Patrols. fun fact, almost half of the cars in the streets are SUVs in the gulf countries!
toyotas are great, but personally feel that the 4runner is the least capable off roader that toyota makes. even in this video it seems to struggle, like the land rover defender did.
guys nobody gets offended please. i don't own the company and neither do you. i used to have a GXR land cruiser that i sold over 400,000 km ( 250,000 milage) that used to work just fine, seriously tires and break pads and AC maintainances besides the oil change that all i changed!!. as a matter of fact those Japanese SUVs are the best in after market sale they just operate to infinity. in our hot and dry aggressive terrains jeeps after 200,000 km ( 125,000 milage) are almost a goner. letterly nobody buys them and in case you do get one (which is VERY CHEAP) you're gonna pay a fortune for maintenance and repair. it's probably different in other cold regions of the world, but seriously guys if anybody has ever come in here and experience the obsession of off-roading will realize what'm talking about. if anybody has seen Rally Dakkar 2020 will know the mighty EMPTY QUARTER. do you know that Toyotas and Nissans crossing this MARS LIKE dessert and some of them even in factory tires!!! no over heat, no stucking in giant dunes, no breaks and electrical errors. unbreakables!
@@s3dm7md I can attest to that, in the desert the suburbans, pickups and jeeps did not hold up well, but that old Land Cruiser we had worked great, and best of all, the A/C always worked and it never broke down. We did have a stick shift xj that was a blast but it didn't have A/C. This was back in 2000. Our chevys were total crap Stuff broke left and right and if you found one with a working A/C you were lucky. And some of these vehicles were less than a year old. Those Land Cruisers and Nissan Patrols the UN had were bulletproof.
Here's an honest review/thoughts about how the cars performed. Firstly I think all of us would've been VERY disappointed in any vehicle that didn't survive that trail. So props to all of them for completing it. Secondly there are quite a few props about the forerunner completing/keeping up or tugging along just fine. And I think it's only fair to point out that the forerunner took the easier route on one or two obstacles that I noticed. In particular the spot where the gladiator got very hung up at 16:25. Later you can see the forerunner taking an easier route. Third the new defender. Look it was bouncing and struggling over every obstacle. I was ready to be impressed by the computer system and expected the land rover to just crawl over everything like any other 4x4. But that's not what we saw. It was jumping and not finding traction when it should've. It's no secret the new defender is a nice mall crawler for rich people. But come on how can they call that a defender. Fourth obviously the old defender does that trail no problem look how built it is. I expected no less from it. Yeah throw in a joke how it probably broke down right after finishing that trail. But who doesn't love seeing an old 4x4 on the trail. Fifth the gladiator. Man it got hung up bad. But it did handle that trail really well. It's a little long on the trail but it still made it up to the top like everyone else. Also just got to point out the tacoma's longest wheelbase can be 140.6" and the gladiator is 137.3" so just saying the gladiator is shorter than SOME Tacomas
69 Bronco guy! So what? 95% of the obstacles the Gladiator would clear and the Rover would be stuck. That one obstacle was the perfect length to catch the Gladiators weakness perfectly. I’d take the Gladiator myself over those others.
Same here! I'm over here stuck in Rhode Island, I wish there was something even remotely as cool as this to do. Also all about the Gladiator, I own a 4Runner similar to the one in the video here, and while it held its own pretty well, can't compare to a Jeep. I really wanted a JLUR, but it was out of my price range so I settled on the 4Runner.
I’ve got a 2011 Lexus GX460 with 2 in lift and bigger beefier tires than stock. I think it would also make the run with a guide. It’s all about using the most important tool you can take off roading............your brain. Thanks for video. I’ve had several range rovers, a discovery and a four runner and my favorite was the 2004 RR. Awesome off road just drained my account when the miles got high. Older vehicles lend themselves to home repair better than the newer electronic packed rigs.
great comparison. the new defender should have come with solid axels. with front lockers, maybe at premium but i feel it should have atleast been given the option. i was pretty impressed with how the gladiator did as well considering its long wheel base. it was interesting to see the articulation of the older 110 vs the newer 110.
@@vladb1701crawler LOL these aren't crawling Trails these are decent off-road trails crawler something way more extreme. The Land Rover Defender is a joke because it stiffens up the suspension so much to gain clearance yet. Makes it all bouncy at the same time and the traction control works against itself. Funny how I can just observe that yet Engineers supposedly designed it. Good thing the Grenadier came out even though I'd rather drive my old disco or Jeep which is dramatically better. Land Rover just lost their way now everything is a damn Range Rover with a different body on top. Off-road only company and everything is delicate and crappy off road
This video sent me down a 45-minute rabbit hole; where I exhaustively researched each of the vehicles in this video, including going as far as to price them out at local dealer websites (particularly the Jeep). Then I perused realtor.com for property for sale in Colorado or Montana (and I think Wyoming too)... for my future rock-crawling adventures, of course. Now to put that into context: I've never actually driven off road before (intentionally). I do drive a AWD Subaru Crosstrek... but, in Chicago - among the flattest locations in America. Driving down an unpaved alleyway is probably the closest to off-road I've ever gone.
They said at the start they were using mud and ruts setting on the Terrain Response system. I don't know if they changed to rock crawl later or not. Mud and Ruts is the wrong setting for that trail; it's going to allow some wheel spin as a way to clear mud from tread and keep RPMs up (as you would in the mud). But for crawling you want minimum spin. So if they left it in M&R that explains some of the issues. If they did change to RC, then we're seeing either poor programming of the system or it's inability to respond quickly enough to stop the spin. Either way, that's why having a manually selectable locker is always better. You can lock it BEFORE you need it to avoid spin which can cause you to slip off a line or spit out a rock. Even the best traction control systems (and I do believe the Rover system is the best available) can only react AFTER spin - and in most cases that's too late. Even the factory rear locker option on the Defender2 suffers from this to some degree as you cannot manually engage it - you have to rely on the computer to do so when it sees fit. The more aggressive settings for the Terrain Response such as rock crawl mode cause it to engage more readily, but it's still not as good as manual for an experienced driver. I can only assume they automate everything in order to 'dumb it down' for inexperienced drivers and to self-limit torque (and hence protect the driveline) in case of binding. But again, an experienced driver with manual controls can out-crawl even the most advanced brake based 'simulated lockers'.
@@donhappel9566 I have owned 5 land rovers, and done a lot of offroading with them with and without rear locker. The rear differential makes a huge difference on medium to hard offroad tracks.
defender 110 ideal build white base se v6 $62250 off-road pac $1345 , advanced off road capability pac$735 and front under shield $800 add shipping = msrp $66480 + customize $$,$$$ bring it up to the $75000 + first ed price $710 to get another color than white can't what to see one in the wild
This is proof TFL cares about their fans, i litterally said last video its a shame you cant throw on some AT tyres on the LR and push it to the limits Boom heres this video, mad respect to TFL and land rover denver, fantastic video. If ever i find myself in the states ill personally come thank you guys 😆 firm handshakes gentleman.
Almost great comparison of you would have used a Wrangler instead of a Gladiator. The wheel base on the Gladiator puts it at a disadvantage compared to the other two.
The world held its breath for years, waiting for the new Defender. This is the nth review I've seen, the result is always disappointing. All it's fancy electronics always do things reactively, when the wheels have long lost grip, whereas "old fashioned" mechanic solutions such as on the Gladiator always do the trick. A Spanish TH-cam channel pitched the Defender against the current G-Wagen, the result was the same.
That's coz LR knows that to make money, they need to go after the 1% crowd who want to pose as rugged people after they go on their private school runs, sky trips to Aspen and Starbucks drive throughs. They're the ones who are most likely to pay for all those fancy LR add-ons that are mostly useless. Just say'n.
@@Ryno-fp7pm I suspect when you see more modified Defenders getting around that they will be brutally effective 4x4's. And at the same time be very efficient and comfortable as an overlander. I still haven't seen one specced to how I envisage owning one, is all! Haha JLR air suspension however. Reliable? Durable? Eeek.
Most situations you don’t need the locking diffs. If it was the JL Unlimited with a decent set of tires it wouldn’t need to lock. But the Gladiator is almost too long for trails so it needs the extra assist.
Land Rover made that new defender WAY too street oriented. Still though, did better than I thought! Meanwhile, the stock 4 Runner be like “ don’t mind me...”
So a stock 2020 Land Rover defender is competition he with a modified jeep and defender. I have to say, I’m quiet impressed. Imagine with a diff lock on it. It’s gonna be really impressive
Not quite stock. They had johnson rods and slightly larger ATs on it. It will never match it's older siblings or a Rubi jeep off-road; no (production) IFS will. But it'll be better than most non-enthusiasts would expect and honestly Rover abdicated the serious off-road market ages ago.
im sorry, but for $76,000 i shouldnt have to pay extra for lockers or anything. While a fully loaded wrangler rubicon unlimited would be around $50,000.
@@healthyamerican The Defender is a First Edition model, that's why the price is so high. I went online and built a base Defender 110 with all the off-road options and it came in at $57,000, not much more than a Rubicon.
@@stevenhatchel4042 k, but $57,000 is more than a loaded rubicon unlimited and yet still is only half as capable as the rubicon. factor in the fact that this vehicle is going to fall apart on any heavy duty trail and you see its a complete joke for off road driving making it a waste of alot of money if you dare try wheeling with it
Defender is seemingly to become too refined to do such activities. However one good advantage over Rubicon is that it has additional 0.7" inches of more ground clearance, when rasied up. Eagerly waiting for the finest version in the late 2021 🙌
That's a bit of a misleading spec. That's measuring to the Rubi's difs. But that's a single point (OK, 2 points) that you can maneuver around. The rest of the vehicle is actually much higher. Independent suspension vehicles tend to be roughly the same clearance everywhere, so you don't have the ability to simply steer the dif around an obstacle to clear it, instead you end up getting more easily high-centered. Another point is the suspension links are more vulnerable on an indi vehicle compared to solid axles. This was on display when the lower link of the Defender2 was hanging on a rock in this video. In that same position a solid axle would have cleared.
Wonder how many are watching this and wanting to go off-roading while having no 4x4 and living in a region with 0 off-roading opportunities.
That would be me. FML!
They don’t know how good they have it out west
I'm in Melbourne, Australia. Stage 4 restrictions. Curfew 8pm to 5am 7 days a week, no activity other than going to (some) work places, caregiving, medical, or essential shopping (groceries) only. 5 more weeks and maybe we can go for a drive somewhere, anywhere :-)
I wonder how many are watching this and thinking ....haven't I seen this before, more than once. There are several TFL versions all of which I watch and like but there may be overlap or too many similar comparisons.
Off-roading is illegal here. So no 4x4.
Really digging the old defender here. Looks like a boss.
I like how it basically just ate every obstacle. To me it proves that although its older, it still cannot be underestimated, everything is mechanical which may take slightly longer than just simply turning a knob or dial, yet it works the same if not better. I have a v8 disco 1 and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Its simplistic and has real 4wd not any electronic awd system that is likely to fail when you need it the most potentially leaving you stranded
The old Defenders come down to Driver skill you feel what the the wheels are doing through the steering wheel, the new defender is all electronics it's a bad mix just because it says defender on the tin doesn't mean it's a defender under the hood, because the new defender isn't.
@@krookdfinra your worried about being left stranded and you own a disco? Lol!!!
@@MrCareer707 lol, well said, got a 300tdi, 110, don't see anything that makes me want to change or swap for, on the market as a whole
@@sturdivanthouse4614 surprisingly it has never actually left me stranded. (Meaning needing it towed home) The shift solenoid almost did once however I took apart the center console and used a center punch on it so that would never happen again. Problem solved lol. It has 220k miles on it. I done alot of work to mine rebuilding it better than factory even. Ive replaced the headgaskets, thermostat, fan clutch, fan blades, new wheel bearings all around, new brake calipers all around painted caliper red, new pads and rotors all around, new brake servo, new master cylinder, new brake stop switch, new rear differential gasket, all drained/flushed and replaced, new ignition coil pack, new spark plugs and wires (yearly), new oil pan gasket, upgraded HD steering and track rods, upgraded HD pan hard rod, new power steering gearbox, all new silicone hoses. Its one of the best offroad vehicles you can get. It's more reliable than the disco 2 in alot of ways. Primarily being the 3 amigos and traction control issues. I've probably put 6 to 7k worth of parts and another 15k worth of labor into it however you learn exactly how your vehicle works and every part that makes it work by replacing everything yourself which I have done. There really isn't anything on a disco 1 that will honestly fail causing it to be actually disabled apart from the fuel inertia switch, fuel relay, fuel pump and timing chain, unless you crack the block or put a rod through the side of it. I'm currently putting a new fuel relay and pump on my discovery as we speak, I'm of the mindset to replace things before they need replacing. After all any vehicle is only as reliable as its maintenance schedule regardless of the make and model. I honestly love the vehicle, most people wouldn't put that much into a 20 year old vehicle but then again I'm not most people I'm very meticulous of my vehicles. In the next 12 months I plan on putting a 2 to 3 inch old man emu lift , upgrading all axel half shafts to hd, replacing and upgrading both drive shafts, upgrading to ashcroft air locking differentials front and rear, I also plan on getting diff guards and oil/steering guards.
That old Defender looked like it barely broke a sweat, great video.
Anyone else notice the 4Runner wasn't actually a TRD Off Road and it still did very well?
Yup - was an SR5. That one spot in the video where it had a lot of wheel spin would have been a moment when they had traction control turned off. A-Trac does a lot better than a lot of people give it credit for
It clearly states it is a TRD off-road on the side of the vehicle. I doubt it is just an SR5 with TRD badging. Pause the video at 12:33 and you can see it.
@@Justforfun-ek7et TRD 4Runners have a different grille, that was just a SR5 with a TRD badge on the Pillar.
Just for fun yes, it has the badging, but the badging is placed differently than it would have come from the factory. The front and rear bumpers are those of the SR5, there is no hood scoop, and the rear hatch has body matched paint where it says 4Runner. That’s an SR5. On all TRD models, that rear hatch has black on it. TRD Off Roads have silver valences on the front and rear bumpers, and also have the hood scoop.
I did notice that it did not have a rear locker ( or it wasn't used ), Kinda lame to fake TRD it though
That old defender is a beast!
I agree 🙌🏼
The OLD defender. Thought the new one was a disco
Is the new defender struggling on the rocks or is the driver just jerkin it?
First obstacle on the new defender shows exactly what happens when you have zero downward suspension travel
even i had an old jonga military jeep which is a highly capable off-roader.. only issue is ull bang ur head against metal and ur spine will feel the pain once u pass the bad rough road.. it had no features no airbags no safety assistance as well .. Incase of an accident im pretty sure one of the metal part which it is made will go right pass my eye socket and exit through my skull behind like a bullet.. its a coffin..
Stock 4Runner quietly kicking ass like "don't mind me..."
😂 even the ones that are over 20 years old! Step aside Jr 😂
I think these guys need a few more boots on the ground for this terrain. I play it a bit safer on my channel.
Driver is the biggest denominator
😂 I thought the same
@@badhombre8383 The older 4Runners make better platforms for building off pavement rigs. I'll take my 85 and 93 any day over newer ones.
I think the new Defender looks great for what it is - if I wanted a dedicated off-roader that I don’t have to use every day then there are better choices - but if I want a car that can carry me and my family in great comfort most of the time, and get to some great, remote, moderately hard to get to locations at the weekend, then it’s perfect.
Exactly my point and exactly what this was made for. This is a family vehicle that for family recreations, it will take you anywhere! No rock crawler goes with family inside. Ill go with the defender
But that's what the LR4 is for. Land Rover is nothing without at least one dedicated off roader - and that has to be the Defender. That said, I think the video was biased and deliberately trying to show the New Defender in a poor light.
Guess LC or LX does better job in both area. And, way more reliable.
You mean Discovery.....
@@afei_lx4709 the Defender is better on and off road compared to those.
Solid axles rule off road. IFS has limitations off road but better on the highway. It doesn't matter how good your traction control is if you can't keep the tires planted on the ground.
@r2d23678 they made it with ifs because it will get the job done and will be more comfortable for 95% of the drivers who will never go off road. Apparently Ford's new broncos completed the Rubicon trail
@@floof4444 All true. Those of us who crawl always want a solid axle but the truth is Ford is better off selling it as IFS because the fact is most people will buy it because it looks cool and won't do anything more serious than a fire road. As you said, IFS is better on road and even for going fast in the desert. Where it looses is in technical terrain, strength, and easy of modification. From the videos this week on the Con it does look like it did well for IFS, but it will never match a real axle for flex.
@@donhappel9566 true. But with this kind of truck. It doesn't need to imo. It's impressive as is. Literally stock to stock almost everything is better on the bronco. Atleast as far as approach and departure angles and they seem to match in articulation from what I remember from looks at the stats
Ifs on the Defender behaves like a solide Axel. One wheel up, air goes tot the Opposite side and Push down the Opposite wheel.
@@floof4444 im tired of seeing this comment. you need to look at BOTH the vehicles stats not just your bronco. Stock for stock the wrangler is not only cheaper but also more capable offroad. You can't just go babbling false info like that
The 4Runner was pretty impressive although I don’t think it received the respect that it deserved at the end. Great vid.
Correct! 4Runner and New Defender are very similar in off road capabilities...
The 4Runner was hauling all the camera gear
@@cotrails8356 Nah, the new Defender can't touch the 4 Runner
New Defender is more akin to a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk or Grand Cherokee Trailhawk
When you go out with some of the most unreliable brand cars you always need a back up truck to get back to home.
The intro, production and editing were second to none in this video. Great job guys. Really enjoy all your channels and makes proud to be a Patreon member. 👌👍
Fun video.
However, comparing a base model Defender without all the off-road options, to a Gladiator Rubicon with all the off-road options is a one sided review. Even the 4Runner doesn’t seem to be a TRD Pro and they did great.
Thanks for running Red Cone! I drove up it on my 16th birthday in a YJ Wrangler with a 3" lift and 33x12.5" tires. I love the view from the top and grew up camping in the area every chance I got.
Actually the best off road review of the new defender on TH-cam, or dare I say on the Internet. As always, TFL doing the best off road reviews ever!
why dont they get one with the locking diffs
th-cam.com/video/frTPchIuD4U/w-d-xo.html
Should've had the LR3 in there
andrew wade we are building one next week with locking rear diff, 33x12.5r18 BFG KM3’s (way better rim size, wider foot print, and much better tire), sliders, and a 2” lift. More videos to come on even more difficult terrain...
@@cotrails8356 any chance to squeeze 35's or is 33 max.
OG Defender - simple, rugged, utilitarian. Gets the job done
New Defender - complicated, comfortable, refined. Gets the groceries.
They should've made the defender with portal axles. Diff locks should also be STANDARD on a DEFENDER.
Also, the speed limitations and higher maintenance that come with portals aren't something the average buyer will want to deal with.
@ no Farmer will buy the new land rover defender. Only some wealthy hipsters are and will only drive it on pavement.
For my taste it should have solid axles be triple locked and have only the necessary electronic gizmos
@ maybe they don't. But this is a DEFENDER. It should be standard whether used or not. I understand the option in a Discovery or a Velar maybe but not in a Defender.
@ no i am not from England ,you said it yourself ''wealthy'' . Anyone who had the old defender was using it as a real workhorse.loading it up with all kinds of cargo going through stick and stone without worrying about a scratch or dent on the bodywork.the new defender is more like a lifestyle vehicle.
@ you're an idiot and a pretty stupid one at that. Lol.
The defender is sitting on the rock on its rear suspension arm at 8:07 and 8:30. Basically, the car goes up when the air suspension is raised, but the lower suspension arms stay where they are. The lower suspension arms happen to connect to the wheel hub right from below, which means it is very close to the ground. Also, the arms are flat and wide, making it more probable to sit the car on it, I think.
Correct! We are looking forward to more lift so we can get 35’s under the New Defender by next summer. It has amazing capability out of the box. These have only been in the US a few weeks... stay tuned for the next New Defender build!!!
@@cotrails8356 I look forward to it! I was already waiting to see the Defender in larger tires.
From what I saw, I thought the old Defender was the toughest off roader, taking just about everything in its stride without losing breath. But then I am a big old Landie fan, having driven them off road in deserts while in the military, so I'm biased.
New Defender is MUCH more than a rock crawling vehicle. It tows and carries as much or more than a half ton truck. Yet It’ll still do this terrain, much better with the rear locker, in total comfort. It’s an absolute great machine for it’s updated intents and purposes. Most people who dog it only do so because they can never, ever afford one.
The old Defender was amazing!
Also the Jeep Gladiator what a Monster.
The new defender survived but it was hopping and struggling over every obstacle. Personally I wouldn't call that amazing
The Gladiator is crap with that ultra long wheelbase. Better off with the 2 door.
@@andyb4796 it still made it to the top same as everyone else. So I don't think its crap
Love the look of the Gladiator on those steelies! Great video!
Painful to see the new defender struggles that way at every tiny obstacle.... with such glorious ancestors
Pixel Mixture on the first obstacle he went way too left
It's still an unmodified car
All it needs is a 3 inch lift and bigger tyres but you probably have to replace that air suspension
It doesn't have rear lock like others, I've seen new defender with both centre and rear locking done much more rock crawling than in this video.
They just don’t know what they were doing bad driving. Or they just wanted to make it look bad full locked the wheels and asking it to climb fools
Tiny ! Are you feckin blind!
Great work here guys. I want the new Defender. It doesn’t scream off roader like the Jeep. It’s understated, and that’s why I like it!
understated and overrated
It's perfect if you never want to take it off pavement.
The lower control arms in the back hang way too low on the new Defender
It hangs lower then in the discovery wierd design flaw
@@coolsquad7428 Other than portal axles how do you get better angles crosswise? Live axles have that big diff housing. Got to have a tradeoff and it's control arms.
@@deanfawcett2085 The whole point of the Defender was that it was supposed to be Land Rovers take on what the ultimate off roader should be, so it should be massively better than a Discovery, so I was 100% expecting portal axles or portal independent suspension. Or if they really wanted to impress me - using the air suspension to shape shift it from a fast road cruiser to a portal axle based off road monster when it's jacked it up to off road mode.
The 2005 Taureg TFL used in previous videos has more ground clearance than the new Defender, so 15 years ago VW just threw something out that may well have ticked more off road boxes than this and sold it as a luxury SUV. Losing chunks of the lower control arm on a rock a Suzuki Jimny would have cleared is pretty shameful, but part of it is that I suspect everyone driving was so used to beam axle 4x4s that it didn't occur to them that the new Defender would need to use the trail differently.
@@deanfawcett2085 Lower control arms being below the hubs has nothing to do with CV angle. LR could have easily given it a higher clearance lower control arm. Rock crawling UTV's literally have the control arms bend upwards from the hub until they are just below the CV axle and then go strait off from there. They could have also made the control arms longer and mounted closer to the vehicles center line for better travel numbers.
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Now, a portal hub could allow for higher LCA placement, that would cause leverage issues with the tire over the LCA but could allow for a higher mounted differential for more ground clearance down the center of the truck.
With a Rear Diff Lock, the Defender would have done all that,and a lot more, so much easier. Add a few more mods, and it’s a beast off road. The cameras give u a great view of the terrain and r helpful. The Defender also has comfort, and is a great daily driver. Well done LR. 👍👍
for $76,000 you shouldnt have to pay extra for lockers or anything. Jeep wrangler rubicon unlimited fully loaded for around $50,000
More to come with our locked HSE Defender that just arrived.... stay tuned!
Look forward to seeing a new defender 110 with all the off road goodies, vs the jeep wrangler unlimited rubicon, vs the old defender 110 vs the ford bronco 4 door vs the forerunner
@Aqua man sure thing why not
Building locked Defender now. Comparison coming... stay tuned later this month!
I really can't get all that hate, that is pouring down on new Defender. The brand Land Rover has changed since 90's and 00'. It is a luxury brand now, and some need to face it. The Defender 2020 is also a different vehicle, than old one. It is neither an agricultural machine, that can be fixed with hammer, duct tape and wire, nor off-road monster. It is most competent and capable SUV, not hardcore off-roader. Independent pneumatic suspension provides much better handling and smooth gliding over majority of surfaces. I can't even imagine how terrible would be to travel 700+ miles in one day in old Defender, Wrangler or Bronco, while in new Defender it shouldn't be any problem. All you need before going into rough terrain is to change set of tyres from 22" Pirelli to 18" BF Goodrich. It is something that no other car can offer. New Defender is way more versatile, than any other regular off-road vehicle with live axle. IFS is really a big steep forward.
Good point
in other words it doesnt belong off road
Absolutely love the new Defender , it is unmatched when it comes to all round ability , the only vehicle in this video that can be used as a daily driver as 95% of the time it will be on road , ( the jury is still out off road without a rear diff lock ) Americans seem to have a deluded view of the old school Defender , possibly because they have been deprived of it for 23 years , it was incredibly noisy , cramped , uncomfortable , really poor performance & economy , no creature comforts and had a dated interior , and along with Jeeps are hopeless on tarmac and will kill you in a collision , not sure if all this hate is prejudice or ignorance , idiots are comparing top of the line Defender against stock Jeeps , i configured one to my required spec ( don't need so many extras , no need to worry about damaging the base wheels ) it came to around $ 53 ,000 which i think is amazing value !.
It’s very capable off road and unreal on road. Almost 400 HP with 8200 lb tow capacity and increadibly comfortable... it absolutely flies up The mountain pulling a trailer passing everything!
Possibly it's because they've put a defender badge on a family SUV to grab a few sales on the back of the defenders heritage, this will never be a true Defender, which was primarily a commercial,agricultural and military work horse just like the original Jeep!
This new SUV is in reality a new discovery/freelander replacement, and probably a very very good one,
When I see one camo'd up being used by the British Army, or being used by determined and courageous people to explore the toughest parts of the globethen I'll call it a defender!
And yes, my daily is a 'proper' Defender, comfy enough if you stretch your legs every 3hrs ;-)
Title: Gladiator vs. Defender
4Runner: "am I a joke to you?"
I know right? Actually the Defender vs 4Runner makes more sense
@@WW-wf8tu Sure, dream on buddy :)
@Gus Johnson Suzukis are for people that don't need to carry their lunch.....
Old School Defender: wake me up when this gets interesting.
@@einfelder8262 Suzukis are for people that don't need to bring the whole house with them when they go camping ;)
Those drone shots look incredible! And $45K 4Runner TRD Off-Road made it just fine next to the more pricy trucks/SUV!
I'm most impressed by the stock 4Runner. Lol!
Damn right!!!
Concur
Not a bad vehicle but if you live in America you really need to be going V8 engines.
@@bighands69 Why do you need a V8?
New Defender: I cant do this, trail is too tough!
Old Defender: We are still in the parking lot.
I can't wait until it's Defender, Rubi and 2021 Bronco.
I was thinking the same thing cuz to be honest thst would be a better match up for the defender
4runner
Master JMA 😆 just watching this video, I think the defender is better matched against the Cherokee or rav4
@@mxerb5912 or a jeep Rubicon
We’ll make it happen!
Talking about lockers and whatnot. I recently went out for 50 miles of trail with some technical spots (about as technical as red cone). We had 4 stock vehicles (the tires were upgraded). We had a 4 runner SR5, 2019 Jeep Grand trailhawk, Taco TRD-off-road, 2019 ford ranger (it has a leveling kit and one size up in tires). These all did fabulously. We didn't use lockers just the terrain select modes and electronics to get up the trail. I was really impressed with all the vehicles. Makes me wonder, outside of rock crawling, how much do you need lockers on today's off-roaders
I wonder too. The 4Runner sr5 has a trac and the grand Cherokee has a similar system. They are pretty much just as effective as a rear locker. Good tires are so important.
that's what our conclusion was. Unless you are building an off-roader, lockers may not be entirely needed.
I can’t wait to see this challenge with the 6g Bronco
I love your content and I have been following you guys for years now… thanks for the real life, hands-on reviews. I have had Rovers for years and I am about to pull the trigger on the new Defender. I'm not a serious off-roader, but I enjoy getting off of the beaten path. Btw, my Disco 5 does really well off road, just needs the right tires. Cheers!!!
Wow that 4Runner walked that trail where the Defender got hung up big time. Glad Land Rover brought back the Defender even though the suspension is as stiff as a board.
Yeah, I was impressed with the 4Runner. Give me more confidence in mine.
We wheel both our 4Runner and this New Defender... they are almost identical off road. Both on 2” lift with 33” BFG KO2’s. Building another Defender next week locked With 33x12.5r18 KM3’s (more foot print and more sidewall), sliders, and 2” lift. More videos to follow...
@@WW-wf8tu Was the one in the video not a real TRD? I couldn't tell. In a few scenes I wondered if the rear was locked.
Mine is a Trail Edition, so it has the rear locker and Crawl Control. I think in 17 they changed it from Trail to TRD OR.
I'm looking forward to getting mine out and seeing what it can do. Right now I have RSG sliders and RCI skids, with tires/suspension next on the mod list.
In TN we have roads that are very loose gravel and extremely narrow. They are very long and curvy and wet a lot of the time. I would love to see you set up a situation with an extreme incline with loose gravel very narrow. That would be telling on your anti-spin technology of various vehicles. I do not see many easy(?) climbs like you guys use in my area.
The more the trail lends to small gravel and mid the more the Defender shines👍🏽
The new defender is an SUV, the old was an off-road vehicle. Considering how much the new defender costs, I’d buy a jeep rubicon instead.
Yaa those who can’t afford one and definitely not worthy of that lush luxury car will definitely buy a jeep no doubt that. People like you just know to comment but definitely can’t afford Land Rover
@@Middle_fingerrI actually own a 2008 Land Rover Defender 110.
@@Middle_fingerr PS: the Jeep Rubicon costs roughly as the new “defender”.
@@Middle_fingerr You're right. Most people can't afford to have their vehicle in the shop once a week. Nice analysis.
@@LigerZeroFtw if you could afford you had not commented this cheep and a decade old mindset lines, grow up kid get a life or May be go fu*k your self. Dumb aassss
Which is the preparation of the old defender?
Both axles with diff lock?
It was the best of the video, short vehicles in that kind of trail performs better and that old Land Rover is short and It seems It have a good offroad preparation.
It's a transfer case not a locking center diff.....Wranglers and Gladiators have transfer cases
Well, they both have transfer cases, but you are right, the Jeep has a part-time system with no center diff. Though the Sahara does an on-demand transfer case that doesn't have a center diff but can be left in 4hi"
As far as I know Jeep Sahara on demand system has clutch pack, not center locking differential. Clutch pack is way cheaper than center locking differential.
I knew someone was going to bring up the full time 4wd on certain models.....
My Mitsubishi Montero Sport AWD (permanently engaged) has viscous coupling center differential with two speed transfer case. My Toyota 4runner 4x4 has Torsen center locking differential with two speed transfer case. My Toyota Rav4 AWD has clutch pack. Toyota Sequoia 4x4 models come with Torsen center locking differential with two speed case. All Toyota Land Cruisers have Torsen center locking differential with two speed transfer case. Jeep Grand Cherokee models equipped with Quadra Drive II system come with Torsen center locking differential with two speed transfer case.
@@khondkerjamil39 Torsen is a limited slip differential type. All the Toyotas (save the rav4) and the Pajero you mentioned have 2 speed transfer cases, no center diffs. Get your facts right before commenting.
I wanted to see more of that 4runner
Great video guys. I thought it was a bit crap of Land Rover to say you needed to turn the diff lock off the Jeep, when theirs is the new one with the technology onboard to supposedly negate the need for it. Moral victory of the day to the 4Runner.
Excellent work guys! Thank you for a great video showing the differences between these 4x4s! Kudos to the classic defender owner and the dealership that actually took it serious off roading!
More to come... stay tuned!
Those mountains, that scenery is amazing. I’d love to live out there. Pretty flat here in Michigan lol
check out some of the many forest roads out in the upper Peninsula! lots of great scenery up there in my experiance
So the brand new, hyper-tech, $75k defender performs worse offroad than an old one with almost 200k miles on it. And about the same as a $40k 4runner with 20 year old tech. LOL@Land Rover. But props to the LR guy for bringing the new one out on a real trail. Great vid TFL!
I will reaffirm that the Rover is light years ahead of the others ON ROAD with almost 400 hp and 8200 lb tow capacity passing everything up the mountain pulling a trailer while cooling your Gatorade in the center console. Look I have and love my Jeeps and we’re on our third 4Runner... but none of those are the total package - capable off road and untouchable on road where 95% of this segment lives! Looking forward to the Bronco arriving too and stirring things up even more👍🏽
@@cotrails8356 Yep, it moved the needle away from offroading over to the on-road and tech side. Very similar conceptually to a 4runner but with better power/towing and newer tech. Definitely looking forward to the Bronco, but I suspect it'll lean more toward offroad. And for that $75k even though it's not apples to apples I'd take a Raptor 11/10 times of the new defender.
Love how no one is talking about Toyota. if you go all over the world try to find a Jeep/Ford/GM you only be finding Toyotas everywhere. If something works why change it, instead of improving it. That is the Toyota way.
If they sold the same Toyotas in the US that they sold in the rest of the world, a lot more people would be talking about them!
Cant wait to unload out plastic 2015 trd pro for a bronco
Bring the FJ Cruiser back.
It might have a bit to do with where the vehicles are expired to and what's easiest to get. Also, what the country allows. Politics.
Well done guys love the production quality on the off-road segments keep them coming
Is it just me or is the suspension articulation on the new Defender absolutely horrendous?
Yes I think they have lift rods fitted. It really limits the articulation as the bags are running too high pressure to work properly.
@@jimmysando99 thanks for the explanation ! I hope there'll be a way to lift it without losing that much in articulation... I just felt sorry for the thing spinning and lifting wheels each time it went over a pebble.
@@DuckSherminator Something else that I was disappointed by with the Defender is that it is not available with active sway bars. The Active Roll Control system on my L320 Range Rover Sport is great on-road as it can effectively hydraulically stiffen the sway bars (front and rear) when cornering to significantly reduce body roll. The additional benefit of this system is that it can loosen also when in some of the Terrain Response modes like Rock Crawl. Independently sprung vehicles are always limited in wheel travel, however, between the cross-link air system and the active sway bars, I think that it performs extremely well! Would have been nice to see the Defender with this. Also, the one shown in this video lacks the optional rear e-diff which would have also helped some of that wheel slip. Not to mention that some bigger tyres wouldn't have gone astray!
@@jimmysando99 does the LR3 have the same active roll control as the L320?
@@GhassanAlHarthy Unfortunately not, though it can be retrofitted if you're extremely keen! This is in my opinion why the Discovery 3 and 4 lift wheels like crazy and appear to not have great articulation through moguls etc. I know of 2 Discovery 3's that have had the 3.6l TDV8 engine and ARC system fitted from a Range Rover Sport. That would be a great car!
One minute in, and I'm really digging the cinematic style of the opening. Great work!
New Defender: $70,000
Jeep Gladiator Rubicom: $50,000/$55,000
4runner TRD Off Road: $40,000
Old Defender: $70,000 or more
I know who won. But I would get the Defenders if money weren't an issue
Thanks for a REAL 4x4 test !
Now this is how you test real world off-roading. Love TFL, they are the best
Now let’s see the Discovery ‘vs Defender...
Good stuff, Tommy is falling more and more into his groove here. A little disappointed that the 4runner didn't get as much camera time, I would have loved to see the conclusion of that axle twister at the end for example. It looks like it wasn't really using its rear locker and it would have been a great side by side with the ND (new defender) in terms of suspension design choices and electronics, Its also too bad it was a pro and not an off-road with KDSS.
It was actually and SR5 in TRD clothing believe it or not! No locker or crawl control, just ATRAC. Next time we’ll give it more camera time! Thanks for the kind words -Tommy.
Thank you Steve for making this outstanding review possible
You bet! More to come with our next one we’re building (has rear locker), 33x12.5r18 KM3’s with more foot print and better tire, sliders, 2” lift... stay tuned!
I would protect the underside of the Discovery better if I wanted to drive it off road more than a couple times. Have you seen how many skid plates are available by options on the new Bronco...
Agreed... many aftermarkets in the works! These just arrived in the US a few weeks ago. This was one of the first 300 to arrive...
The new Bronco looks more like the old Defender than the new Defender!
I am wondering why you chose(?) to use a new Defender W/O the rear locking differential option? Not equal by far, I would say. I note Tommy at 11:16 with the same comment. But, I get it -- you run with what you have.
Stay tuned. Building now👍🏽
Loved when Roman said good job to Tommy and he replied thanks buddy-love that my dad is my friend also!! And dang Tommy how many pairs of sneakers do you own-lol
Sorry, but he said "thanks buddy" to the spotter on the other side of the car...
That traction control on the Toyota is far more quicker to respond than the defender. Not sure of the settings where switched. I also feel they should have included steal skids for the lower arms. Leaving aluminum on rocks is not ideal for durability. 75 grand and they can't throw in lockers or electronic limited slips front and rear.
Defender reminds me of lifted golf cart in its highest setting.
So if the defender competes with a wrangler, let's see it do the Rubicon trail. Just saying ford knows how to bring it.
At the start they said they were using the mud and ruts setting on the Defender. I don't know if they left it there or changed later, but if so that explains all the wheel spin - mud and ruts deliberately allows some spin to clear tread and maintain RPM. They should be using rock crawl mode which tries to limit spin and softens throttle response. If they did actually switch to RC, then we're seeing the limits of the system. Frankly all brake based traction control systems are a poor substitute for manually selectable lockers anyway.
@@harlandurant7014 With Rovicon 2020 kicking off in only a few days we did invite them to bring one out to play. For some reason they declined.... maybe next year. :)
Harlan Durant yes. They ran it and I’m excited for the new Bronco... they did not complete the difficult obstacles... many bypasses were taken. But I applaud them for running it!!!!
Love my Rubicon. And that old Defender.
The thing is, all 4 of these vehicles made it up the trail no problem, but only the new Land Rover Defender can be driven across the country in ultimate comfort and luxury.
Finally! A decent off road comparison
The gladiator is modified....
@@371kenny so is the defender...... They said that
And the obvious winner was the dirt bike
The Jeeps at a disadvantage (being a chrystler/Jeep)
Yeah decent, long wheel base vs. Short wheel base....
Tfl video of the year! Amazing camera angles
I'd been looking forward to seeing this vid ever since the behind the scenes glimpse the other day. It did not disappoint! I really dig the old school cool of the yellow Defender. As for the new one? Meh.
Roman had my stomach in my throat when he used momentum to get through the articulation moguls and scrape the wall! So much for that $76k uneasiness! Great video guys (and loved he 4Runner as well!)
That’s a awesome Landrover dealer, if I’m getting a Defender that’s the one I want to do business with! 😎
That new Defender looks like a giant Honda Element :D
For God's sake, give the Defender some bigger tires!
Working on it... stay tuned👍🏽
@@cotrails8356 😅
Check out our current build with 33x12.5r18 Toyo Open Country MT’s. Nex tbuild we’re moving to 35’s🤣
Current build on Wheeler Lake...
th-cam.com/video/6CEuycT-jYQ/w-d-xo.html
And R/D Lock
Watching that defender is like watching a shopping cart with tires. Zero suspension travel. That thing would lift a wheel on a speed bump in a wal mart parking lot lol
Impressed with the new Defender. Can’t wait till they add the Bronco and Cybertruck to the mix
Grenadier
Really enjoyed this video. I always like your videos, but this one was special. The Defender was super-impressive!
That defender was really struggling. That trail looked like childd play to the gladiator and the old defender but the new one really seemed to not want to go up the trail
No diff lockers on it, so keep that in mind
Lockers weren't the problem, a lack of live axles at either end and poor articulation is the real killer.
They counted aired down as 18 psi, thought that sounded high and saw why in some of the close up shots around 19 minutes - they're about 10mm off those shiny alloy rims crawling over small rocks with all for wheels on the ground - part of the struggle was they couldn't air down properly and even at 18psi they couldn't use any momentum at all without trashing the rims, another issue the lower suspension arms are massive, square, come out well below the centre of the wheel and look like they take up about 1/3 of the width of the truck no wonder they were leaving metal scrapings everywhere
I really like the defender and have actually considered buying one. Just don’t think the new ones are as trail ready as a Jeep or 4Runner. If anything I would test it against a Jeep Grand Cherokee trail hawk
We wheel our 4 Jeeps, 4Runner and the Nee Defender. The 4Runner and the New Defender are almost identical in off road capability...
W W 🤔wife’s whip... it’s a very fair comparison!
the hidden message in this video tells you why Toyota has been so successful in the 4*4 industry. despite the fact that it has completed all the obstacles, Toyotas are 10 times durable than the other cars and in case you break something it will cost you half of the price to repair.
no wonder the middle east where the offroad has the most extreme sand dunes and excessive heat are dominated by Land cruisers and FJs and Nissan Patrols. fun fact, almost half of the cars in the streets are SUVs in the gulf countries!
your lack of experience its entertaining to say the least.. please dont stop =)
toyotas are great, but personally feel that the 4runner is the least capable off roader that toyota makes. even in this video it seems to struggle, like the land rover defender did.
guys nobody gets offended please. i don't own the company and neither do you. i used to have a GXR land cruiser that i sold over 400,000 km ( 250,000 milage) that used to work just fine, seriously tires and break pads and AC maintainances besides the oil change that all i changed!!. as a matter of fact those Japanese SUVs are the best in after market sale they just operate to infinity. in our hot and dry aggressive terrains jeeps after 200,000 km ( 125,000 milage) are almost a goner. letterly nobody buys them and in case you do get one (which is VERY CHEAP) you're gonna pay a fortune for maintenance and repair.
it's probably different in other cold regions of the world, but seriously guys if anybody has ever come in here and experience the obsession of off-roading will realize what'm talking about.
if anybody has seen Rally Dakkar 2020 will know the mighty EMPTY QUARTER. do you know that Toyotas and Nissans crossing this MARS LIKE dessert and some of them even in factory tires!!!
no over heat, no stucking in giant dunes, no breaks and electrical errors. unbreakables!
@@s3dm7md I can attest to that, in the desert the suburbans, pickups and jeeps did not hold up well, but that old Land Cruiser we had worked great, and best of all, the A/C always worked and it never broke down. We did have a stick shift xj that was a blast but it didn't have A/C. This was back in 2000. Our chevys were total crap
Stuff broke left and right and if you found one with a working A/C you were lucky. And some of these vehicles were less than a year old. Those Land Cruisers and Nissan Patrols the UN had were bulletproof.
@@healthyamerican It seems that Toyota in the test is SR5 not TRD Pro/Off-Road. So not equipped with Crawl Control
Here's an honest review/thoughts about how the cars performed.
Firstly I think all of us would've been VERY disappointed in any vehicle that didn't survive that trail. So props to all of them for completing it.
Secondly there are quite a few props about the forerunner completing/keeping up or tugging along just fine. And I think it's only fair to point out that the forerunner took the easier route on one or two obstacles that I noticed. In particular the spot where the gladiator got very hung up at 16:25. Later you can see the forerunner taking an easier route.
Third the new defender. Look it was bouncing and struggling over every obstacle. I was ready to be impressed by the computer system and expected the land rover to just crawl over everything like any other 4x4. But that's not what we saw. It was jumping and not finding traction when it should've. It's no secret the new defender is a nice mall crawler for rich people. But come on how can they call that a defender.
Fourth obviously the old defender does that trail no problem look how built it is. I expected no less from it. Yeah throw in a joke how it probably broke down right after finishing that trail. But who doesn't love seeing an old 4x4 on the trail.
Fifth the gladiator. Man it got hung up bad. But it did handle that trail really well. It's a little long on the trail but it still made it up to the top like everyone else. Also just got to point out the tacoma's longest wheelbase can be 140.6" and the gladiator is 137.3" so just saying the gladiator is shorter than SOME Tacomas
It’s a stock car without rear diff and 20(!) inch rims and stock tires vs. fully modified off-roaders…fair review…
😑 Jeep, Rover, 4Runner... I don’t care!! All this video has done is make me want to move to Colorado!! But I’m still all about the Gladiator.
4runner all day for me
69 Bronco guy! So what? 95% of the obstacles the Gladiator would clear and the Rover would be stuck. That one obstacle was the perfect length to catch the Gladiators weakness perfectly. I’d take the Gladiator myself over those others.
Colorado is full. Look somewhere else
@@NemeanLion- you take the gladiator I rather take that old defender
Same here! I'm over here stuck in Rhode Island, I wish there was something even remotely as cool as this to do. Also all about the Gladiator, I own a 4Runner similar to the one in the video here, and while it held its own pretty well, can't compare to a Jeep. I really wanted a JLUR, but it was out of my price range so I settled on the 4Runner.
I’ve got a 2011 Lexus GX460 with 2 in lift and bigger beefier tires than stock. I think it would also make the run with a guide. It’s all about using the most important tool you can take off roading............your brain. Thanks for video. I’ve had several range rovers, a discovery and a four runner and my favorite was the 2004 RR. Awesome off road just drained my account when the miles got high. Older vehicles lend themselves to home repair better than the newer electronic packed rigs.
great comparison. the new defender should have come with solid axels. with front lockers, maybe at premium but i feel it should have atleast been given the option. i was pretty impressed with how the gladiator did as well considering its long wheel base. it was interesting to see the articulation of the older 110 vs the newer 110.
Is a luxury “offrode” car not a crawler
@@vladb1701crawler LOL these aren't crawling Trails these are decent off-road trails crawler something way more extreme. The Land Rover Defender is a joke because it stiffens up the suspension so much to gain clearance yet. Makes it all bouncy at the same time and the traction control works against itself. Funny how I can just observe that yet Engineers supposedly designed it. Good thing the Grenadier came out even though I'd rather drive my old disco or Jeep which is dramatically better. Land Rover just lost their way now everything is a damn Range Rover with a different body on top. Off-road only company and everything is delicate and crappy off road
Love how the 4Runner made that first obstacle look easy when the Def got stuck hahaha
Wow, that new Defender really seemed to struggle compared to all the other vehicles.
New defender was on road tyre.
That's what made the difference
This video sent me down a 45-minute rabbit hole; where I exhaustively researched each of the vehicles in this video, including going as far as to price them out at local dealer websites (particularly the Jeep). Then I perused realtor.com for property for sale in Colorado or Montana (and I think Wyoming too)... for my future rock-crawling adventures, of course.
Now to put that into context: I've never actually driven off road before (intentionally). I do drive a AWD Subaru Crosstrek... but, in Chicago - among the flattest locations in America. Driving down an unpaved alleyway is probably the closest to off-road I've ever gone.
Little bit disappointed of the amount of wheelspinn on the new defender :-[ btw dose it use the brake for traction control?
Because it's a joke
Wheel spinn would have been almost eliminated with the optional rear diff locker.
They said at the start they were using mud and ruts setting on the Terrain Response system. I don't know if they changed to rock crawl later or not. Mud and Ruts is the wrong setting for that trail; it's going to allow some wheel spin as a way to clear mud from tread and keep RPMs up (as you would in the mud). But for crawling you want minimum spin. So if they left it in M&R that explains some of the issues. If they did change to RC, then we're seeing either poor programming of the system or it's inability to respond quickly enough to stop the spin. Either way, that's why having a manually selectable locker is always better. You can lock it BEFORE you need it to avoid spin which can cause you to slip off a line or spit out a rock. Even the best traction control systems (and I do believe the Rover system is the best available) can only react AFTER spin - and in most cases that's too late. Even the factory rear locker option on the Defender2 suffers from this to some degree as you cannot manually engage it - you have to rely on the computer to do so when it sees fit. The more aggressive settings for the Terrain Response such as rock crawl mode cause it to engage more readily, but it's still not as good as manual for an experienced driver. I can only assume they automate everything in order to 'dumb it down' for inexperienced drivers and to self-limit torque (and hence protect the driveline) in case of binding. But again, an experienced driver with manual controls can out-crawl even the most advanced brake based 'simulated lockers'.
@@donhappel9566 I have owned 5 land rovers, and done a lot of offroading with them with and without rear locker. The rear differential makes a huge difference on medium to hard offroad tracks.
Aleksander Stensen building locked Defender now... stay tuned!
defender 110 ideal build white base se v6 $62250 off-road pac $1345 , advanced off road capability pac$735 and front under shield $800 add shipping = msrp $66480 + customize $$,$$$ bring it up to the $75000 + first ed price $710 to get another color than white can't what to see one in the wild
This is proof TFL cares about their fans, i litterally said last video its a shame you cant throw on some AT tyres on the LR and push it to the limits
Boom heres this video, mad respect to TFL and land rover denver, fantastic video.
If ever i find myself in the states ill personally come thank you guys 😆 firm handshakes gentleman.
We aim to please. Thanks for the kind words!
Almost great comparison of you would have used a Wrangler instead of a Gladiator. The wheel base on the Gladiator puts it at a disadvantage compared to the other two.
Stay tuned!
The world held its breath for years, waiting for the new Defender.
This is the nth review I've seen, the result is always disappointing.
All it's fancy electronics always do things reactively, when the wheels have long lost grip, whereas "old fashioned" mechanic solutions such as on the Gladiator always do the trick.
A Spanish TH-cam channel pitched the Defender against the current G-Wagen, the result was the same.
That's coz LR knows that to make money, they need to go after the 1% crowd who want to pose as rugged people after they go on their private school runs, sky trips to Aspen and Starbucks drive throughs. They're the ones who are most likely to pay for all those fancy LR add-ons that are mostly useless. Just say'n.
@@DonFather fyi, they don't bother with Starbux. The avg. idjit does.
Who buys a brand new off-roader for heavy duty off road, so LR had to make it something that would sell for road use
@@stephendoherty8291 Fully indpendent suspension with air shocks is proof. Going for the cushy on pavement ride.
@@Ryno-fp7pm I suspect when you see more modified Defenders getting around that they will be brutally effective 4x4's. And at the same time be very efficient and comfortable as an overlander. I still haven't seen one specced to how I envisage owning one, is all! Haha JLR air suspension however. Reliable? Durable? Eeek.
Great content! keeping us entertained in these tough times
Tommy irritated that Roman believes one cannot go off-roading without engaging a locker.
Most situations you don’t need the locking diffs. If it was the JL Unlimited with a decent set of tires it wouldn’t need to lock. But the Gladiator is almost too long for trails so it needs the extra assist.
I'm jealous of these two and their fun times
Would love to have seen the LR3 in the mix.
Officially, you're one of my favorite TH-camrs out here!
Land Rover made that new defender WAY too street oriented. Still though, did better than I thought! Meanwhile, the stock 4 Runner be like “ don’t mind me...”
Old defender was like “hey mom , dad when do we get to the off road track?”
Articulation aside, that new defender has some stilts
Wasn’t looking good for the defender until about 18 minute mark and seemed to do well from there. Love to see one with rear diff lock.
Stay tuned!
So a stock 2020 Land Rover defender is competition he with a modified jeep and defender. I have to say, I’m quiet impressed. Imagine with a diff lock on it. It’s gonna be really impressive
Not quite stock. They had johnson rods and slightly larger ATs on it. It will never match it's older siblings or a Rubi jeep off-road; no (production) IFS will. But it'll be better than most non-enthusiasts would expect and honestly Rover abdicated the serious off-road market ages ago.
im sorry, but for $76,000 i shouldnt have to pay extra for lockers or anything. While a fully loaded wrangler rubicon unlimited would be around $50,000.
Building locked New Defender now... stay tuned!
@@healthyamerican The Defender is a First Edition model, that's why the price is so high. I went online and built a base Defender 110 with all the off-road options and it came in at $57,000, not much more than a Rubicon.
@@stevenhatchel4042 k, but $57,000 is more than a loaded rubicon unlimited and yet still is only half as capable as the rubicon. factor in the fact that this vehicle is going to fall apart on any heavy duty trail and you see its a complete joke for off road driving making it a waste of alot of money if you dare try wheeling with it
Defender is seemingly to become too refined to do such activities. However one good advantage over Rubicon is that it has additional 0.7" inches of more ground clearance, when rasied up. Eagerly waiting for the finest version in the late 2021 🙌
That's a bit of a misleading spec. That's measuring to the Rubi's difs. But that's a single point (OK, 2 points) that you can maneuver around. The rest of the vehicle is actually much higher. Independent suspension vehicles tend to be roughly the same clearance everywhere, so you don't have the ability to simply steer the dif around an obstacle to clear it, instead you end up getting more easily high-centered. Another point is the suspension links are more vulnerable on an indi vehicle compared to solid axles. This was on display when the lower link of the Defender2 was hanging on a rock in this video. In that same position a solid axle would have cleared.
But the New Defenedre is very capable for sure. Wait until we get our locked New Defender done... stay tuned!
@@cotrails8356 even I'm planing to buy one by next month.
Car K we have over 70 inbound. A few are still available!
@@cotrails8356 that's crazy brah.. Even im planing to import one to Dubai.
Most impressive? OG Defender. Man that thing is sexy.
Well it had lockers and a lift. The
The new defender may not be as capable but damn does that rear 3/4 view look good going over some rocks
Lol looks real good when your stuck on a rock. 😂
The takeaway from this vid for me was to get an old Defender.