@@cariboubearmalachy1174 I know most rich people like to cheat and always gain unfair advantage in life using their money, but this was so obvious it didn't even make sense.
I remember watching the Magnus game live. You could see his mindset change after he notices they take about 5 seconds to move on obvious and complex moves. At that point he's not looking for a winning advantage but a time advantage. Truly amazing.
I would call that "outplaying the opponent". He didn't aim to win on the checkerboard, he aimed for a IRL checkmate. It's not about winning, it's about sending a message.
@@arnelmerton452looked for a bit but can't see the mate, and the eval bar doesn't mention it. P sure since it's his turn, Anand pushes h3 and it takes more than 13 seconds to mate him. Since I assume what ur seeing is predicated on knight on d1 which is covered by the queen ? Tho I do think we're both missing something here. In the video they mention flagging which I don't fully understand. After thinking on it a while maybe winning vs a player with much higher rating flags ur account for closer review vs if he lost , then no red flags come up for that and instead of a website enforcing their rules , it would be either the chess community spearheading the accusation or maybe just letting it go. But like I'm sure anyone who watched it or even heard about it knew , so I have a hard time imagining it was ever gonna just be water under the bridge
@@Mega_The_Friendly_Shark What makes you think that? stockfish lowes depth still uses its openings Database meaning Stockfish would still play the first 5-15 moves perfectly martin wouldn't
You're over thinking it. When interviewed, Vishy said he was just playing what he thought were the best moves and didn't think much of it and that his opponent played well.
@@leonardsmith9870 You're underthinking it. He knew he was cheating, everyone knew he was cheating, but there's no reason to yell it out loud like a child. He just exposed him, gave a quick friendly words and moved on.
@@leonardsmith9870 Again, you're too naive if you believe in an adults' words as given. We always speak around the table. There's no reason to make a billionaire hate him, so why would he say "Yeah he's a cheater"?
The audience: "But Magnus you're in danger, cheater has a chess engine." Magnus with his integrated chess AI in his brain: "I'm not in danger, I'm the danger." Magnus Plays at the same frikin' level and wins on time 🤯
engines tries to kill you slowely by taking all your advantages bcs they know they can win a game without there strongest pieces that is way in most of the time the engines would trade pieces before killing you and that is way engines are better than magnus
Its because engine is operated by human who needs 5 sec on each move. When game is 3 min without increments, u only have time for 180 / 5 = 36 moves. If magnus was truly playing an engine, the engine would move near instantly. But a human cheating needs time to make the move in the engine, to wait a few sec for calculation, then make the move back on the real board, taking about 5 secs total. A real engine would destroy magnus.
It's not the fact that he cheated, but what's really mind-boggling is that he probably thought he would get away with it. This makes me question a couple of things about this fella.
that's not cheating .. divulging how good you are. if a hooper goes to a park and he plays D1 or Overseas basketball and he says let's play 1on1 for 100$ but doesn't tell you he's really good and you accept that's on YOU! These chest players ARE crying cheating playing a game against what they thought are lesser competition. That's unfair for YOU as a GM or higher ranked player to accept the game for $250 if you know it's easy money. What does that say about your morals and mindset?
@@ma9or1503 If a 900 rated guy asks to play a Chess GM for $250 on Twitch, he's either a cheater, or he considers it a fun way of donating to someone he likes. Obviously he knows he won't win normally, and obviously the GM knows the 900 elo guy knows that. There's no lack of morals here for the GM accepting this. Their fan wanted to play them and wants to donate to them, great. It's not like this is some contract either, the user could just not pay when they lose if they don't have the kind of cash they're offering to throw around. These 'donations with extra steps' are pretty obvious. It's the same thing when someone asks a player to do a 'challenge' like 'I'll gift you 10 subs if you get a pawn checkmate'. The player isn't secretly hoping you are unable to do that so they don't have to pay, they just want to see you attempt this challenge and hopefully succeed. Your basketball analogy doesn't make much sense btw. If it was like a top ten player using a smurf account rated 900 that might make some sense. A better analogy for what happened here would be saying we're gonna do 100 free throws and see who gets more, and then rolling out a robot that never misses to make the shots. It's not a better player hiding their strength, it's a player taking a car to a track meet.
@@ma9or1503you clearly do not know what ur talking about. If he was good enough to beat vishy anand he would be playing top level. People would know who he is. But he was cheating. Just because ur not smart enough to see that doesn’t mean we can’t. You clearly don’t play chess because your ignorance is astounding
What he actually said was more along the lines of "Of course I was cheating. The guy is a grand master, surely no one ACTUALLY thought I could beat him? What idiots. I'm sorry everyone got upset, but it's just chess. (A silly little board game). Who cares?"
When I was 13 I played against this annoying kid who challenged me. He was winning and he already took my queen for nothing (I was not very good at chess then). I then smiled and said "My next move is going to make you so mad" he said so arrogantly "There isn't a single move you could make that would be good here" then I said "Oh really" and swiped all the pieces off the board. This kid loses it and I laugh at him.
@@shaansingh6048 under the same amount of time stockfish would crush anybody. The real problem is the person who is cheating taking unnecessary time to follow a copied game against stockfish on another window and make the moves which makes him lose time in the end.
@@cevdetustun539 not necessarily, under time crunch humans can beat stockfish because stockfish takes time taking absolutely everything into account whereas humans only focus on what seems important to them
You could tell by Vishy's demeanor, he caught on early that Nikhil was cheating. I think he didn't protest because he still wanted to fight, or he didn't want to hurt the charity event's ability to raise funds.
It’s honestly depressing that people would cheat. Can’t imagine the thought of them getting banned too many times and getting frustrated that they keep getting caught but lord knows NO one can hide from the fair play team.
It is completely pointless. It isn't even cheating it is simply stockfish vs human. And the other person using stockfish is merely its slave moving the pieces that stockfish wants you to move. There is no dignity, honour or pride in winning like that.
@@bluegiant13 the pleasure is beat ur opponent and see he rage, not win :p by the way, i dont use stockfish, I like to beat mu opponents in a fair game
I know who Magnus is from watching an awesome documentary of him a long time ago, and chess is one of my favorite games. I really didn't know that it was even possible to cheat at chess. I have always thought that where ever correct you decide to move a piece is where you want it, I don't understand...
Basically computer programs called 'engines' can analyze a tremendous depth of positions with very efficient branching (knowing what move to check next and which to discard) now. They have long since surpassed human analysis even by the top players. Anyone can beat the strongest super GMs simply checking what move to play from an engine. Of course an amateur has to check with the engine every time, as even missing a single tactic may put the cheater at enough of a disadvantage that the gm can beat them despite the engine's stronger play. This is why when players suspect engine play they often play closed defensive positions that force a longer game. Since the gm can play great moves almost immediately, and the cheater must reference the engine each move to gain advantage, it's possible to win vs the cheater in lower time formats like blitz. That's how Magnus won in this video.
@@das6109 Thank you for all this information, but if you and I set up a chess board, and we played by choosing whichever positions either of us chooses to place our pieces during a game, I am still not understand that a move you make, or a move I make can be defined as (not allowed)...
@@occamsrazor9183 Let's say you and I set up a chess board and we play against each other. But each time it is my turn, I ask my buddy Magnus Carlsen what the best move is and I just play whatever move he tells me. That wouldn't be fair, would it? It's not the moves that's not allowed, it's asking for help. Cheaters ask the chess engine for help and just play whatever move it suggests.
@@davidAnonsen A chess engine is a computer program that is really good at calculating moves and continuations, far far better than any human can. The only real way to beat a chess engine is in shorter time controls. If you're really good you can make accurate moves quickly, where the cheater has to continuously feed those moves back into the engine and then respond a couple seconds later when the analysis is done.
@@das6109 nah, you can just use a chrome extension to automatically show the best moves on screen in real time instantly, so people likely use that in faster games
@@Eye_Is being a GM or IM doesn't matter coz everyone using the same bot to cheat its not like if you are low rated the cheaters will use low rated bots
It's a pretty spicy conclusion to come to, and they shouldn't do it without a careful investigation. Maybe they had their suspicions but they shouldn't share them as commentators. If they did, they would be wrong sometimes and squash innocent people's reputations very publicly for nothing. If there was even a chance of that happening, the cure would be worse than the disease.
@@CALXB4YOU I don't know if you play any games, but if you do; take a professional player from that game, and put them up against someone who has never played the game before. If that new player wins... it kinda speaks for itself(unless it's poker or some other luck-based game. Still unlikely though). A grandmaster in chess vs someone 400 rated is like putting Mike Tyson vs a child in a boxing match, we know Tyson wins, but if that kid suddenly shows up in a tank, we're 100% certain he is not following the rules.
@@teslainvestah5003 Well let's put it into perspective. Let's start by assuming that Nikhil is actually a 400 rating strength player and isn't a Super GM in disguise. Then let's consider the possibility that he just had a very good game. That should be possible for a 400 rated player to have a very good game and beat a super GM, right? The short answer is no, that is not possible. It's hard to explain why if you're not an experienced chess player, but one way might be to talk about what the rating number actually means. A difference of 400 rating strength is one of the pillars that the ELO system is based on - theoretically, a player will *always* lose to someone playing at an elo strength that is 400 points higher. 100% chance to lose - that is a defining characteristic of the ELO system. In practice, rating doesn't always correlate to strength - some days an 800 rated player will play like a 1000; other days, a 600. As humans, we vary greatly day to day. That being said, Vishy is showing a rating of 2434 (he must hardly play on that account because he should easily be over 3000, as a recent world champion). So let's use that 2400 number. Nikhil would have a 0% win chance, against an 800 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against a 1200 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against a 1600 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against a 2000 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against Vishy Anand. So no, Nikhil cheated. The best game that Nikhil could ever comprehend playing in his best possible day wouldn't let him win against someone who has 1/3rd of Vishy's strength.
As a big Magnus fan i must say that Stocfish is actually able to destroy Carlsen, in the end of the day its one of the best chess computers.. Thing is, cheater didnt have enough time to put his moves into engine.. Thats why Carlsen will be always better than any of them. Even if they wouldve time, Magnus's draw changes are pretty high.. 🎉
its so absurd how somebody can cheat against one of the greatest players in the world live and expect people not to notice? like even without the whole "looking to the side" thing, I just looked at the game and he had 98.6% accuracy compared to vishy's 92%, which is absurd in itself. it seems to me like people who cheat on chess just do not comprehend basic logical reasoning skills
that's not cheating .. divulging how good you are. if a hooper goes to a park and he plays D1 or Overseas basketball and he says let's play 1on1 for 100$ but doesn't tell you he's really good and you accept that's on YOU! These chest players ARE crying cheating playing a game against what they thought are lesser competition. That's unfair for YOU as a GM or higher ranked player to accept the game for $250 if you know it's easy money. What does that say about your morals and mindset?
@@ma9or1503 if you are less skilled than someone and you challenge them everything that happens after its on you, you brought that to yourself, and if you wanted to bet against a better player thats on you also.
@@ma9or1503The problem is how the fuck is an unknown player not just win, but be getting consistently better scores than a world renowned grandmaster. Chess isn't hoops. There's stockfish, but it's first and foremost a multiplayer game. And you can't be better if you just beat weaker players either. So it's really improbable for this guy to be so good and stay so hidden. Also, you need to put in effort into something to be good at it. Even if he's a billionaire, doesn't mean he has 200 IQ, nor does being a billionaire or being a genius means you'll be good at chess. You can't solve your problems with just money Frankie, you need to grow out of your fantasy.
Only just started playing Chess, really enjoying it. I can't for the life of me though comprehend why someone would cheat. I embrace every defeat because I feel like I am learning something. I just don't understand what satisfaction or sense of achievement cheaters would get when they win. Like I say, I can't comprehend it.
It's obvious that Stockfish is capable of defeating Magnus. The cheater lost in time because he doesn't move the pieces instantly like a software does.
@@outkast187 Lol that's not the same analogy at all. Chess AI has been shown to be better than any human alive. That's just the nature of AI, they can see moves many steps ahead in real-time. The cheater lost because he wastes time inputting the chess moves and probably has the basic engine that takes longer to compute moves. Stockfish is still superior.
Slight misconception, not even Magnus can beat Stockfish, a cheater however is human and requires a set amount of time to use the engine, which means Magnus can move nigh immediately and the cheater will simply grind down his clock. That is to say, it's literally the only way he could have won that game.
@@yes-qw6om You pretty much dumbed it down, but that's exactly what I said, and technically it only takes a few seconds at a time to process upwards of dozens of variants of the move, mathematically computing the best possible outcomes from the top down. In other words, the engine can't lose, the cheater simply cannot instantly input Stockfish's commands and thus the reason they lost is because of human limitation, not computation.
- cheater : computers are beating world champions for 26 years, and they’ve been improving each year. I’m sure to defeat you, magnus ! - magnus : please try…
@@jiranchhetri8863 that’s why I said « and noob executing orders », I meant the cheater was too slow to enter inputs, read outputs, and obey the computer in time (or rather : magnus was too accurate and too fast, so the cheater couldn’t follow)
@@jiranchhetri8863 true but that’s just how it was made, magnus wasn’t born for the sole purpose of playing chess lol, magnus could beat the ai if they just swapped to checkers, it doesn’t have any information on that game
4:30 No stockfish would've won just he ran out of time, human error. Also it's possible Aleksander didn't always do best move just to not raise suspicion.
Who told him to run out of time it's his fault also he was with the world champions himself he is the world champions for a reason of course he will give a good fight to the most advanced robot of chess they both have equal knowledge of cheese but robots have more knowledge and think in a nanosecond still it's impressive that the world champions can give blow to blow with the world unbeatable robot
@@animeworld1035it’s only because chess is a game with a limited number of moves and rules. Anything out of orthodox that the ai hasn’t been programmed will easily beat it. Like when they were testing this combat AI, the marines literally snuck right up to it by hiding under boxes because it was designed for humanoid shapes. It was that easy for them to defeat it by thinking “out of the box”. Humans will always be superior to AI until they can truly rewrite their own code to adjust for such things. It’s not even close yet.
@@2aGunzUpSalute there is always a bigger fish in the pond remember that in chess company they don't have people that think like Magnus in chess that's why what knowledge they have they put in the AI even alpha beat stock fish like 100times where stockfish only won 5,6 time
That’s nonsense, that dumbass cheater was using very depth calculations which ofc would take so much time, if he used something like 18 at opening and midgame, and something 10, even if you give magnus days for each move he would still lose against engine
If you dig deep, in the same event that Vishy 'lost' to the billionaire, which was a simul, he also faced two others who used engines. The bossman did win those games apart from 3 other games
Funny thing is, when a grandmaster reports stuff like this, the opponent gets banned right away. If it happens to a low rated player like me, they dont even take a look at it. i cant even tell how many points i lost against 1700 players with an accuracy of 95-98%. thats ridiculous
imagine your an inhumanly good chess player which actually knows every move someone could make. Just to never be able to play anyone online because people keep banning you for cheating.
I cheated at a poker game once, and the guys I was playing against would have surely killed me if they would have caught me. I went home with over $1000 . I started with less than $100. They were all drunk and talking very loud at each other, while I was swindling them.
@ 5:14 you can also literally see what appears to be the reflection of a monitor flickering on the far left wall. It's way too small to be a TV or monitor hanging on the wall. So it very well could be a reflection of a monitor he was looking at ...
Saddest thing is chess is the most boring game to cheat on. The point is to outsmart your opponent, stockfish doesn’t make you smarter it just gives you the answer.
Imagine being a commentator in one of these games and having to act all surprised when you exactly know that one person is cheating but you are not allowed to call the cheater out. 😂
@@ElNiNjA246 because I didn't know how the pieces moved and assumed I'd be too dumb to learn, so I instead learned how to cheat at chess. Originally I just wanted to cheat against my friend once to beat him, but then I got addicted to it cuz it made me feel like the best player in the earth.
Idk why but i love watching chess videos with this magnus guy. Seems like he is a legend at beating the impossible games most of the time. My 11yr old is in a chess club at school and he easily beats me. I wouldnt be able to understand how a average player or person could even come close to beating these guys lol. Even that engine stood no chance vs magnus 😂
When Hans Moke Niemann won against Magnus Carlsen the only thought I had was "He wanted to become a champion, but had enough money only to join Michail Chigorin's club".
Some moves in chess humans just don't make....stockfish sees 17 or 18 moves ahead and gives you the best possible move, something no human can do even magnus.... that's why when they see these moves that don't make sense they get suspicious and 10 moves down the line they are confirmed....also when they use the around the same amount of time in between each move they make is a big cheater tell.... that signifies them inputting the position, reading the move, playing the move... normally about 7-10 seconds on every move means you're playing a cheater. That's also why cheaters tend to lose on time but never checkmate
Anti-cheat doesn't just consist on how good someone is basing on their rating, it wouldn't even make sense as the skilled players are bound to climb rating anyway.
@@drewishgaminginc.3942 hear me out what if somebody had a brain on the level of 2 supercomputers and could think 17 or 18 moves ahead and he gets falsely accused of cheating
How low do you have to be to cheat during a charity event against the *world champion* as a 400 rating. Like.. Did he expect to get away with it?? That shit was obvious. 💀
@@d_errenwhat? Even i flagged a cheater is not that hard because they dont know how to play chess they have to do the computer moviments on other page then goes back and repente the move they take 9 to 14 secs to move if it is a blitz game (3min gamemode) you can likely win it is just almost impossible to do it on rapid (10 min gamemode) but some grandmasters alreald did it
There is also a game where magnus fight stock fish itself and to be a more fair game stockfish had a bishop less and magnus still lost humans just cant beat the machines anymore
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A billionaire that had the compulsion to cheat in a casual chess game tells a lot about his character
Tells a lot about billionaires.
@@cariboubearmalachy1174 I know most rich people like to cheat and always gain unfair advantage in life using their money, but this was so obvious it didn't even make sense.
in a charity event too 😭
Moral of the story Chess players dont get laid. So why is he cheating?
he's a cheater in general. !!!! Nobody loves a cheater!
I remember watching the Magnus game live. You could see his mindset change after he notices they take about 5 seconds to move on obvious and complex moves. At that point he's not looking for a winning advantage but a time advantage.
Truly amazing.
The cheater forgot that his software learned form Magnus xD
Hello my um
@@TheMusicLauncher Magnus GOAT showing levels.🗿
Magnus sabe que la máquina si la atacas no intercambia piezas a menos que este acorralado
And I think he surrendered and the cheater was jewish
imagine being so evil that you decide to cheat on a charity event
bro is the type of guy to be soo evil to kick a woman in the balls
@@godoftrash5535 which drug are you on to think women have balls °__°
especially as a billionaire
Type of guy to accuse someone of cheating for a clickbait thumbnail
@@harshmehta143it is rare, but it does exist occasionally
A billionaire cheating on a charity chess event, that's some comic book stuff
Yeah but I'm sure he was entirely ethical to become a billionaire. Tony Farce.
Entrepreneur getting rich through charity is common occurrence.
Charles Montgomery Burns
Baal Gates?
Eww Nikhil Kamath is even worse then my dad at chess
Anand letting him win is so bold move... Because what kamath would done was just loose on time... But vishy predicted the consequences of that ❤
I would call that "outplaying the opponent". He didn't aim to win on the checkerboard, he aimed for a IRL checkmate.
It's not about winning, it's about sending a message.
@@NerAEus96 Why would it have been bad for him to win that game though? Wouldn't Kamath have been exposed anyways - perhaps even more conclusively?
@@aurorasdawn4681most probably no. As Anand winning against him wouldnt have made headlines like it did now
I dont get it. Wasnt kamath black, and had mate in 2? So anand didnt have a choice in the matter? (He was gna lose anyway)
@@arnelmerton452looked for a bit but can't see the mate, and the eval bar doesn't mention it. P sure since it's his turn, Anand pushes h3 and it takes more than 13 seconds to mate him. Since I assume what ur seeing is predicated on knight on d1 which is covered by the queen ?
Tho I do think we're both missing something here. In the video they mention flagging which I don't fully understand.
After thinking on it a while maybe winning vs a player with much higher rating flags ur account for closer review vs if he lost , then no red flags come up for that and instead of a website enforcing their rules , it would be either the chess community spearheading the accusation or maybe just letting it go.
But like I'm sure anyone who watched it or even heard about it knew , so I have a hard time imagining it was ever gonna just be water under the bridge
magnus carlsen is so amazing. I'm not surprised the world chess champion defended himself well against someone using stock fish
damn right.
Bro was using stockfish lowest depth 💀💀
@@barxmorOnYT stockfish lowest depth is the same as martin
@@Mega_The_Friendly_Shark What makes you think that? stockfish lowes depth still uses its openings Database meaning Stockfish would still play the first 5-15 moves perfectly martin wouldn't
@@Mega_The_Friendly_Shark I set stockfish to search depth 1 in arena and didn't have a chance . I'm a 1200 elo player. martin is a joke against this.
Everyone talking bout magnus, but no one talking bout Anand taking the game into the next level by letting him win to expose him 😂
You're over thinking it. When interviewed, Vishy said he was just playing what he thought were the best moves and didn't think much of it and that his opponent played well.
@@leonardsmith9870 You're underthinking it. He knew he was cheating, everyone knew he was cheating, but there's no reason to yell it out loud like a child. He just exposed him, gave a quick friendly words and moved on.
@@leonardsmith9870 Again, you're too naive if you believe in an adults' words as given. We always speak around the table. There's no reason to make a billionaire hate him, so why would he say "Yeah he's a cheater"?
now this in the comment section is a type of irl chess i would like to read
@@hermesthegreek5247 The irony of you putting words in Vishy's mouth.....
The audience: "But Magnus you're in danger, cheater has a chess engine."
Magnus with his integrated chess AI in his brain: "I'm not in danger, I'm the danger."
Magnus Plays at the same frikin' level and wins on time 🤯
engines tries to kill you slowely by taking all your advantages bcs they know they can win a game without there strongest pieces
that is way in most of the time the engines would trade pieces before killing you
and that is way engines are better than magnus
@@fananime6495 still loss lol
@@jay5411 what???!
@Fan Anime if you've seen, magnus actually played higher rated games than Stockfish before, sometimes getting a 3900 estimate.
Its because engine is operated by human who needs 5 sec on each move. When game is 3 min without increments, u only have time for 180 / 5 = 36 moves. If magnus was truly playing an engine, the engine would move near instantly. But a human cheating needs time to make the move in the engine, to wait a few sec for calculation, then make the move back on the real board, taking about 5 secs total. A real engine would destroy magnus.
It's not the fact that he cheated, but what's really mind-boggling is that he probably thought he would get away with it. This makes me question a couple of things about this fella.
that's not cheating .. divulging how good you are.
if a hooper goes to a park and he plays D1 or Overseas basketball and he says let's play 1on1 for 100$ but doesn't tell you he's really good and you accept that's on YOU!
These chest players ARE crying cheating playing a game against what they thought are lesser competition.
That's unfair for YOU as a GM or higher ranked player to accept the game for $250 if you know it's easy money. What does that say about your morals and mindset?
@@ma9or1503 If a 900 rated guy asks to play a Chess GM for $250 on Twitch, he's either a cheater, or he considers it a fun way of donating to someone he likes. Obviously he knows he won't win normally, and obviously the GM knows the 900 elo guy knows that. There's no lack of morals here for the GM accepting this. Their fan wanted to play them and wants to donate to them, great. It's not like this is some contract either, the user could just not pay when they lose if they don't have the kind of cash they're offering to throw around. These 'donations with extra steps' are pretty obvious. It's the same thing when someone asks a player to do a 'challenge' like 'I'll gift you 10 subs if you get a pawn checkmate'. The player isn't secretly hoping you are unable to do that so they don't have to pay, they just want to see you attempt this challenge and hopefully succeed.
Your basketball analogy doesn't make much sense btw. If it was like a top ten player using a smurf account rated 900 that might make some sense. A better analogy for what happened here would be saying we're gonna do 100 free throws and see who gets more, and then rolling out a robot that never misses to make the shots. It's not a better player hiding their strength, it's a player taking a car to a track meet.
@@ma9or1503you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The guy is rated 400 are you serious?
@@ma9or1503you clearly do not know what ur talking about. If he was good enough to beat vishy anand he would be playing top level. People would know who he is. But he was cheating. Just because ur not smart enough to see that doesn’t mean we can’t. You clearly don’t play chess because your ignorance is astounding
@@soakedbearrdhe is talking about the first clip
I know absolutely nothing about chess but it's 2am and it's time for me to watch the most random stuff that TH-cam throws my way
his apology *at the end*
its probably something like this
"I'm sorry you found out that i cheated... i thought i hid it very well"
I think it needs to be a bit more generic ( just saying )
What he actually said was more along the lines of "Of course I was cheating. The guy is a grand master, surely no one ACTUALLY thought I could beat him? What idiots. I'm sorry everyone got upset, but it's just chess. (A silly little board game). Who cares?"
I thought for sure he would admit it right after the game ended and be good humored about it. Surprised and disappointed that he didn't.
If it’s a silly little board game then why bother cheating, scared of people hurting your little pride huh 😂
@@Danso_3000 bruh if its a silly little game then just play legitimately? 😂 its on charity event too
You cheat by copying a robot,
I Cheat by eating the chess pieces when you aren't looking
We are not the same.
Would you teach me your godly ways?
Yes please teach me too.
I tried the opponent, soon I peed on the board chess :3
@@greendino5388 A worthy opponent indeed
When I was 13 I played against this annoying kid who challenged me. He was winning and he already took my queen for nothing (I was not very good at chess then). I then smiled and said "My next move is going to make you so mad" he said so arrogantly "There isn't a single move you could make that would be good here" then I said "Oh really" and swiped all the pieces off the board. This kid loses it and I laugh at him.
Even stockfish was suprised that the ones using him lost to the goat
Because of time, without time stockfish wouldn't have won
Because of time You see engines have limited Power when they have limited time
@@danielaburger9380 same with humans, they have to do the same calculations lmao
@@shaansingh6048 under the same amount of time stockfish would crush anybody. The real problem is the person who is cheating taking unnecessary time to follow a copied game against stockfish on another window and make the moves which makes him lose time in the end.
@@cevdetustun539 not necessarily, under time crunch humans can beat stockfish because stockfish takes time taking absolutely everything into account whereas humans only focus on what seems important to them
Now, imagine Stockfish using Magnus.
It is
Yeah that's how it works lol
Stockfish using Martin
You could tell by Vishy's demeanor, he caught on early that Nikhil was cheating. I think he didn't protest because he still wanted to fight, or he didn't want to hurt the charity event's ability to raise funds.
Imagine Rapport just scrolling through TH-cam and sees the thumbnail
Really bad idea to put Rapport in the thumbnail. Very deceptive because I thought it would be showing Rapport being caught cheating.
It’s honestly depressing that people would cheat. Can’t imagine the thought of them getting banned too many times and getting frustrated that they keep getting caught but lord knows NO one can hide from the fair play team.
It is completely pointless. It isn't even cheating it is simply stockfish vs human. And the other person using stockfish is merely its slave moving the pieces that stockfish wants you to move. There is no dignity, honour or pride in winning like that.
@@bluegiant13 the pleasure is beat ur opponent and see he rage, not win :p
by the way, i dont use stockfish, I like to beat mu opponents in a fair game
@@bluegiant13 nah completely slaughtering high level opponents and seeing them rage has lots of honor 😆try again kiddo
@@anomaly3215what's your problem?
@@anomaly3215 define honor.
Magnus really is one of a kind. He inspires me.
I know who Magnus is from watching an awesome documentary of him a long time ago, and chess is one of my favorite games. I really didn't know that it was even possible to cheat at chess. I have always thought that where ever correct you decide to move a piece is where you want it, I don't understand...
Basically computer programs called 'engines' can analyze a tremendous depth of positions with very efficient branching (knowing what move to check next and which to discard) now. They have long since surpassed human analysis even by the top players. Anyone can beat the strongest super GMs simply checking what move to play from an engine. Of course an amateur has to check with the engine every time, as even missing a single tactic may put the cheater at enough of a disadvantage that the gm can beat them despite the engine's stronger play. This is why when players suspect engine play they often play closed defensive positions that force a longer game. Since the gm can play great moves almost immediately, and the cheater must reference the engine each move to gain advantage, it's possible to win vs the cheater in lower time formats like blitz. That's how Magnus won in this video.
@@das6109 Thank you for all this information, but if you and I set up a chess board, and we played by choosing whichever positions either of us chooses to place our pieces during a game, I am still not understand that a move you make, or a move I make can be defined as (not allowed)...
@@occamsrazor9183 Let's say you and I set up a chess board and we play against each other. But each time it is my turn, I ask my buddy Magnus Carlsen what the best move is and I just play whatever move he tells me. That wouldn't be fair, would it?
It's not the moves that's not allowed, it's asking for help. Cheaters ask the chess engine for help and just play whatever move it suggests.
Magnus beating stock fish was actually sick. I’m not too surprised, but it’s still super impressive
He did not beat stockfish, he beat the guy using stockfish on time. What are you on
Found myself watching chess videos whilst not knowjng anything about it. What is stock fish?
@@davidAnonsen Chess Engine
@@davidAnonsen A chess engine is a computer program that is really good at calculating moves and continuations, far far better than any human can. The only real way to beat a chess engine is in shorter time controls. If you're really good you can make accurate moves quickly, where the cheater has to continuously feed those moves back into the engine and then respond a couple seconds later when the analysis is done.
@@das6109 nah, you can just use a chrome extension to automatically show the best moves on screen in real time instantly, so people likely use that in faster games
Levi sips tea while beating cheaters for content 💀
Levy*
hes not even an GM
@@Eye_Is you should learn more about vowels and consonants
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just kidding
@@Eye_Ishe is one…… look it up
@@Eye_Is being a GM or IM doesn't matter coz everyone using the same bot to cheat its not like if you are low rated the cheaters will use low rated bots
Nikhil is very bad at trying to hide the fact that he is cheating against Vishy and the commentators didn't even notice like what the heck
i still dont understand how he knows he cheating im dumb
@@CALXB4YOU He knows because a 400 rated player does not beat a super GM.
It's a pretty spicy conclusion to come to, and they shouldn't do it without a careful investigation. Maybe they had their suspicions but they shouldn't share them as commentators. If they did, they would be wrong sometimes and squash innocent people's reputations very publicly for nothing. If there was even a chance of that happening, the cure would be worse than the disease.
@@CALXB4YOU I don't know if you play any games, but if you do; take a professional player from that game, and put them up against someone who has never played the game before. If that new player wins... it kinda speaks for itself(unless it's poker or some other luck-based game. Still unlikely though).
A grandmaster in chess vs someone 400 rated is like putting Mike Tyson vs a child in a boxing match, we know Tyson wins, but if that kid suddenly shows up in a tank, we're 100% certain he is not following the rules.
@@teslainvestah5003 Well let's put it into perspective. Let's start by assuming that Nikhil is actually a 400 rating strength player and isn't a Super GM in disguise. Then let's consider the possibility that he just had a very good game. That should be possible for a 400 rated player to have a very good game and beat a super GM, right?
The short answer is no, that is not possible. It's hard to explain why if you're not an experienced chess player, but one way might be to talk about what the rating number actually means. A difference of 400 rating strength is one of the pillars that the ELO system is based on - theoretically, a player will *always* lose to someone playing at an elo strength that is 400 points higher. 100% chance to lose - that is a defining characteristic of the ELO system.
In practice, rating doesn't always correlate to strength - some days an 800 rated player will play like a 1000; other days, a 600. As humans, we vary greatly day to day.
That being said, Vishy is showing a rating of 2434 (he must hardly play on that account because he should easily be over 3000, as a recent world champion). So let's use that 2400 number. Nikhil would have a 0% win chance, against an 800 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against a 1200 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against a 1600 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against a 2000 rated player who would have a 0% win chance, against Vishy Anand.
So no, Nikhil cheated. The best game that Nikhil could ever comprehend playing in his best possible day wouldn't let him win against someone who has 1/3rd of Vishy's strength.
As a big Magnus fan i must say that Stocfish is actually able to destroy Carlsen, in the end of the day its one of the best chess computers.. Thing is, cheater didnt have enough time to put his moves into engine.. Thats why Carlsen will be always better than any of them. Even if they wouldve time, Magnus's draw changes are pretty high.. 🎉
Vishy sacrificed the game to win Nikhil's Account. I would call this the Anand Gambit.
its so absurd how somebody can cheat against one of the greatest players in the world live and expect people not to notice? like even without the whole "looking to the side" thing, I just looked at the game and he had 98.6% accuracy compared to vishy's 92%, which is absurd in itself.
it seems to me like people who cheat on chess just do not comprehend basic logical reasoning skills
that's not cheating .. divulging how good you are.
if a hooper goes to a park and he plays D1 or Overseas basketball and he says let's play 1on1 for 100$ but doesn't tell you he's really good and you accept that's on YOU!
These chest players ARE crying cheating playing a game against what they thought are lesser competition.
That's unfair for YOU as a GM or higher ranked player to accept the game for $250 if you know it's easy money. What does that say about your morals and mindset?
@@ma9or1503 if you are less skilled than someone and you challenge them everything that happens after its on you, you brought that to yourself, and if you wanted to bet against a better player thats on you also.
@@ma9or1503don't spam same thing. This is about the last game. Vishy probably didn't earn anything.
@@ma9or1503The problem is how the fuck is an unknown player not just win, but be getting consistently better scores than a world renowned grandmaster. Chess isn't hoops. There's stockfish, but it's first and foremost a multiplayer game. And you can't be better if you just beat weaker players either. So it's really improbable for this guy to be so good and stay so hidden.
Also, you need to put in effort into something to be good at it. Even if he's a billionaire, doesn't mean he has 200 IQ, nor does being a billionaire or being a genius means you'll be good at chess. You can't solve your problems with just money Frankie, you need to grow out of your fantasy.
what does mean acuuracy? how it calculated?
Magnus: makes a one-move threat
this guy: MAGNUS MAKES A DEADLY ATTACK
It's a fork.
change the thumbnail, Richard Rapport never cheat
more than 100 likes and zero comments? il fix that
more than 140 likes and only 1 comment? I'll also fix that
more than 200 likes and only 2 comments? I'll also fix that
Report this channel, this is just wrong
@@pedrodaffunchio675 no its not
The first player is not a cheater. This is JC Denton. He just added a new augmentation and now he calculates a million moves ahead
Only just started playing Chess, really enjoying it. I can't for the life of me though comprehend why someone would cheat. I embrace every defeat because I feel like I am learning something. I just don't understand what satisfaction or sense of achievement cheaters would get when they win. Like I say, I can't comprehend it.
Lol how can someone even cheat in this game? What? You get free 2 moves?
keep it real
@@Mwgsseusing ais like stockfish and torch
Phew I thought Rapport was some cheater with that thumbnail
They should change the thumbnail at once
Look at description
This thumbnail is APPALLING !!! ........ the inference is easily misinterpreted.
"misinterpreted" he clearly called his a cheater
It's obvious that Stockfish is capable of defeating Magnus. The cheater lost in time because he doesn't move the pieces instantly like a software does.
And probably has to input both their moves into the engine.
I can run the 100yrd dash like every record breaking olympian. But i just dont do it as fast so they win.
And that's why some GM consider Classical Chess (on PC) to be DEAD. On Blitz and Rapid a GM can at least stall against a cheater to win on time.
@@outkast187 Lol that's not the same analogy at all. Chess AI has been shown to be better than any human alive. That's just the nature of AI, they can see moves many steps ahead in real-time. The cheater lost because he wastes time inputting the chess moves and probably has the basic engine that takes longer to compute moves. Stockfish is still superior.
Magnus isn’t capable of moving instantly either, he has to think so I find it quite impressive.
You know you are too good for this game and the feeling of you able to beat a cheater
Slight misconception, not even Magnus can beat Stockfish, a cheater however is human and requires a set amount of time to use the engine, which means Magnus can move nigh immediately and the cheater will simply grind down his clock. That is to say, it's literally the only way he could have won that game.
wrong the stockfish takes a lot of time to process because we saw how it ran out of time
@@yes-qw6om You pretty much dumbed it down, but that's exactly what I said, and technically it only takes a few seconds at a time to process upwards of dozens of variants of the move, mathematically computing the best possible outcomes from the top down. In other words, the engine can't lose, the cheater simply cannot instantly input Stockfish's commands and thus the reason they lost is because of human limitation, not computation.
- cheater : computers are beating world champions for 26 years, and they’ve been improving each year. I’m sure to defeat you, magnus !
- magnus : please try…
yea when it tries magnus looses ☠☠
@@jiranchhetri8863 in a classic game with no time limit and no noob executing orders, yes of course
@@machintruc9457 even in like fucking rapid it better ☠, even in bullet (MOST CASES)
@@jiranchhetri8863 that’s why I said « and noob executing orders », I meant the cheater was too slow to enter inputs, read outputs, and obey the computer in time (or rather : magnus was too accurate and too fast, so the cheater couldn’t follow)
@@jiranchhetri8863 true but that’s just how it was made, magnus wasn’t born for the sole purpose of playing chess lol, magnus could beat the ai if they just swapped to checkers, it doesn’t have any information on that game
Richard Rapport in the thumbnail has never been accused of cheating which, ironically, makes you a cheater for using his image.
That's not cheating. That's clickbait.
Which is basically cheating the TH-cam algorithm.
@@TheStrings-83639 I was already wondering how one could possibly cheat in a face-to-face match
@@keyspirits95 That's literally why I clicked on this vid. Thanks for pointing out the terrible clickbait OP.
4:30
No stockfish would've won just he ran out of time, human error. Also it's possible Aleksander didn't always do best move just to not raise suspicion.
Who told him to run out of time it's his fault also he was with the world champions himself he is the world champions for a reason of course he will give a good fight to the most advanced robot of chess they both have equal knowledge of cheese but robots have more knowledge and think in a nanosecond still it's impressive that the world champions can give blow to blow with the world unbeatable robot
@@animeworld1035it’s only because chess is a game with a limited number of moves and rules. Anything out of orthodox that the ai hasn’t been programmed will easily beat it. Like when they were testing this combat AI, the marines literally snuck right up to it by hiding under boxes because it was designed for humanoid shapes. It was that easy for them to defeat it by thinking “out of the box”. Humans will always be superior to AI until they can truly rewrite their own code to adjust for such things. It’s not even close yet.
@@2aGunzUpSalute there is always a bigger fish in the pond remember that in chess company they don't have people that think like Magnus in chess that's why what knowledge they have they put in the AI even alpha beat stock fish like 100times where stockfish only won 5,6 time
imagine you're a chess protogy and you get banned for cheating and never recognised
Remember kids, if you’re ever losing at anything, then the opponent is cheating.
Wow magnus carlson was actually able to beat a cheater and I got here 15 minutes after this was made
I feel like this should be rephrased to magnus went head to head with the best chess ai
@VeryLogicalGuy ?
@VeryLogicalGuy well that's still an achievement isn't it?
That’s nonsense, that dumbass cheater was using very depth calculations which ofc would take so much time, if he used something like 18 at opening and midgame, and something 10, even if you give magnus days for each move he would still lose against engine
@@melzz no lol. If gm's played carefully, knowing they are up against an engine and not some 900 elo snubs. Then they beat low depth engines.
If you dig deep, in the same event that Vishy 'lost' to the billionaire, which was a simul, he also faced two others who used engines. The bossman did win those games apart from 3 other games
The ever brilliant tactician Anand resigned in order to expose him. It was the best move.
i watched 3 videos and you earned a sub
Thank you for changing the thumbnail
Poor Richard Rapport
chess community better be happy cause they were begging for magnus to go against stock fish and he did and won
Yeah.. let’s try it without a timer
The facts that they know how he is cheating and me trying to focus on how he is cheating
Is click Bait cheating
And that phony corpo ad revenue voice...like a commercial from an old boomers fav game show.
@@snickle1980ur just jealous u don’t have a successful TH-cam channel🤣
@@PepsiDrink-w6lArjav has more subscribers
@@1_TheHamza_1 what are u on
@@PepsiDrink-w6lwdym?
Anand smart guy as he is, takes the loss to expose the cheater, smart move 😂
6:45 As a Konkani myself, I can confirm I feel disgusted by this act
What dose Konkani mean?
2:17 😂😂😂magnus is on the next level😂
Funny thing is, when a grandmaster reports stuff like this, the opponent gets banned right away. If it happens to a low rated player like me, they dont even take a look at it. i cant even tell how many points i lost against 1700 players with an accuracy of 95-98%. thats ridiculous
imagine your an inhumanly good chess player which actually knows every move someone could make. Just to never be able to play anyone online because people keep banning you for cheating.
0:13 challenged to a "1v1" in chess...so many things i wanna say about how dumb that sentence is.
Like eveyone playe squads in chess 😂
I cheated at a poker game once, and the guys I was playing against would have surely killed me if they would have caught me. I went home with over $1000 . I started with less than $100. They were all drunk and talking very loud at each other, while I was swindling them.
In reality it was your family, playing uno, and they were just sleepy.
@ 5:14 you can also literally see what appears to be the reflection of a monitor flickering on the far left wall. It's way too small to be a TV or monitor hanging on the wall. So it very well could be a reflection of a monitor he was looking at ...
Saddest thing is chess is the most boring game to cheat on. The point is to outsmart your opponent, stockfish doesn’t make you smarter it just gives you the answer.
2:49 karpov in his prime:you sure?
remove that thumbnail, Rapport didn’t cheat
report this video then it maybe
@I ruin not-funny jokes I don’t even vote 🤣
@I ruin not-funny jokes tf does politics have to do with chess
He did
@@Samuel_Chilcott💀
Dislike video for shamefully accusing Rapport of cheating for a clickbait thumbnail
I like how in the last game the commentators are like yeah this is completely normal play by a 400 rated player lol
Imagine being a commentator in one of these games and having to act all surprised when you exactly know that one person is cheating but you are not allowed to call the cheater out. 😂
How the hell can chess be cheated? It's called strategy... anything is possible.
Bro still drinks water even if it's not even a tournament
What?
Gotta stay hydrated
This guys channel so lucky that Rapport is not the type of guy who sues everything. this would be a sure win for Rapport if this goes to court
It really wouldn't, thumbnails wouldn't be legally recognized as defamatory since the video contents don't align with or support the case
Dude imagine having nothing better to do than cheating in a board game.
I agree I'm glad I stopped 😂
@@hearmeout1767 bro what
@@blackjoester I used to cheat in chess all the time back when I had no life. Cheaters are extremely annoying but they will always get their karma.
@HearMeOut17 why do that?
@@ElNiNjA246 because I didn't know how the pieces moved and assumed I'd be too dumb to learn, so I instead learned how to cheat at chess. Originally I just wanted to cheat against my friend once to beat him, but then I got addicted to it cuz it made me feel like the best player in the earth.
Its like when the one guy had a water bottle so he could see the other persons pieces in the reflection.
"Magnus! You're locked in a game with a cheater!" Magnus: "No I'm not, a cheater is locked in a game with ME."
this makes us start to wonder how that cheater became millionnaire 😏
*Billionaire actually"🤓
Idk why but i love watching chess videos with this magnus guy. Seems like he is a legend at beating the impossible games most of the time. My 11yr old is in a chess club at school and he easily beats me. I wouldnt be able to understand how a average player or person could even come close to beating these guys lol. Even that engine stood no chance vs magnus 😂
4:11 the black king:are you sure about that
Imagine cheating and still losing
When Hans Moke Niemann won against Magnus Carlsen the only thought I had was "He wanted to become a champion, but had enough money only to join Michail Chigorin's club".
Never misrepresent an honest player. Please.
The players shown were all confirmed cheaters smh.
@@manolgeorgiev9664 I think he’s referring to the thumbnail.
This is so satisfying, I love seeing cheaters get caught.
4:29 Stockfish would beat Magnus. The thing is, the cheat might be unbeatable, the cheater is so bad he couldn't win in 10 minutes
When you play at magnus' level, you nearly always end up in a stalemate if you play against someone your level
Imagine using cheat and lose the match
So full of himself he can't even let a world champion beat him on a charity event.
None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with ME!
Can't the cheater just be an old high-rated player that lost their account?
Some moves in chess humans just don't make....stockfish sees 17 or 18 moves ahead and gives you the best possible move, something no human can do even magnus.... that's why when they see these moves that don't make sense they get suspicious and 10 moves down the line they are confirmed....also when they use the around the same amount of time in between each move they make is a big cheater tell.... that signifies them inputting the position, reading the move, playing the move... normally about 7-10 seconds on every move means you're playing a cheater. That's also why cheaters tend to lose on time but never checkmate
Anti-cheat doesn't just consist on how good someone is basing on their rating, it wouldn't even make sense as the skilled players are bound to climb rating anyway.
@@drewishgaminginc.3942 hear me out what if somebody had a brain on the level of 2 supercomputers and could think 17 or 18 moves ahead and he gets falsely accused of cheating
The guy's actually a retired grandmaster from Indonesia.
Have you no shame depicting Richard Rapport, one of the top 100 FIDE players, as a cheater in the thumbnail?
0:15 no way I use that same chess board set up and I’ve never seen this video nor have I ever seen any other chess video lol
A billionaire cheating, not surprised.
Imagine the shame of playing against a legend in your own country while cheating😂
Hans Niemann left the chat
Magnus Carlson cried and cried, left the board. Cried more. Went on to lose to other 2700s without crying. He's growing up.
Lmao bruh change that thumbnail ain’t no way they did my boy Rapport like that 💀
Beating a world champion when you only have a 400 rating. lol Seems plausible.
Cheating at chess is the emptiest win ever. Knowing you played absolutely zero part in it.
i can feel that shit, straight up facts
The Indian Call Center Scammer gene transmuted into chess. Fascinating.
Classical, go ahead and change the thumbnail your videos are great no need for clickbait
Bro how to f*ck can you cheat in chess 💀
using chess analyser like "chessis"
How low do you have to be to cheat during a charity event against the *world champion* as a 400 rating.
Like.. Did he expect to get away with it?? That shit was obvious. 💀
that resign to flag was the smartest move in any chess match
I cant believe magnus held an engine for 55 moves...
Rapport is one of the coolest guys in the chess community. This is horrible clickbait.
check desc
magnus literally beating stockfish is insanity
Is it tho? Other GMs also flaged cheaters. Idiots need 9 seconds to take undefended pawn or piece.
@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 your opinion is wrong
@@d_erren Watch Naroditsky's speedruns for example
@@d_errenwhat? Even i flagged a cheater is not that hard because they dont know how to play chess they have to do the computer moviments on other page then goes back and repente the move they take 9 to 14 secs to move if it is a blitz game (3min gamemode) you can likely win it is just almost impossible to do it on rapid (10 min gamemode) but some grandmasters alreald did it
There is also a game where magnus fight stock fish itself and to be a more fair game stockfish had a bishop less and magnus still lost humans just cant beat the machines anymore
I know it's for clickbait, but calling Rapport a cheater in the thumbnail is absolutely gisgraceful. Shame🔔shame🔔shame 🔔
He may have billions in cash, but no class
I won a chess game, I asked for my winnings ,, he said I will send you a cheque... mate
"Wow they're playing so well, must be cheating!"
They were actually cheating