BALDWIN-MOTION Cars are ONE of a KIND!
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When Baldwin Chevrolet and Motion Performance combined they were just 1 of the Chevy dealers that made special performance-oriented versions of the Camaro, corvette, and chevelles outside of the normal Chevrolet factory operations. These cars in the late 60’s and early 70s were known and as "supercars".
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As a kid growing up not too far from Motion with a Father who liked going to the drag strips (mostly Englishtown but also NY National,Atco and Island) and major street race spots like Connecting Highway and Conduit Blvd, I saw more then my fair share of Motion Chevys in action... I even had a neighbor with a Phase 3 Vette and a friend who found and restored a LT1 powered '72 Motion Vega in the 90s... thanks for this cool little video...
Sunday Sunday at Raceway Park ❤ we saw them all. ❤
@@tphvictims5101 ahhhhahaha! rrrrrrrRACEWAY PARRRRKKKK!!!!
The 454 Vega must have been a beast.
My oldest brothers friend traded a corvette for a 350 CI motion built Vega - early 70s. Never got a ride in it though.
the ultimate problem was cooling it--even small block swaps need special radiators, and they can get away with the stock rear axle if you keep the 2 speed powerglide (typically a 9inch torque converter) and don't use slicks. The next problem was living long enough to make the second payment--Don Yenko figured his 427 COPO Novas were a disaster waiting to happen.
There was also Randall AMC who dropped 401's into Gremlins since AMC used the same engine block like Pontiac did until 1979. another beast to drive.
The problem with V8 Vegas, if you didn't back half the car to run bigger tires, it would never hook up. I loved picking on V8 Vegas with my '65 Malibu SS with a 454, 4 speed and 4:88's. Mike Johnson's Vega High was the first BBC Vega. It ran 10:30's.
@@rickuyeda4818 you had to stick with the Powerslide (maybe do a larger torque converter) and go easy on the rear axle gear to get those skinny tires to grab. or just race from the roll rather than the dig.
what did you do to the rat that it needed 4.88's? there's a lot of power to weight ratio already built in--i knew guys with L79's in a base first gen malibu that caught some big block guys.
@@albertgaspar627😂😂😂😂
I know of an Original 1967 RS Camaro,which had a Phase 3 package installed in 1969,which included the 590hp 427,dualpoint ignition M-22 Muncie transmission,12bolt rear with lift bars.. American racing magnesium 15x8 rims all around,also had the 67/69 Corvette side pipes..Still maintained it's original RS badges but all had SS badges as well.. It was Root beer color with a Black vynil top and they put a thin black pinstripe on all edges of each panel..I saw the car last spring and it only had 38k miles on it...Great piece of Chevy on Motion history... Unfortunately the owner who was the third owner,who inherited it from his father...Just passed away three weeks ago in a motorcycle accident..Who knows what gonna happen to that jewel???
Loved this video and remembering all the great Baldwin Motion cars.
I’m 70 and lived just south in Jersey and we saw those cars up close and personal. True BEASTS 👍🏻
Royal Pontiac put out cars too. Bobcat Tempest and GTO's with 421 and 428 Super Dutys not available from Pontiac assembly line.
Knafel too, the Tin Indians are legendary as is "Akron" Arlen Venke. Nearly every dealer had a performance div., some are storied, some are not as they made nowhere near the number of cars.
I, along with my good friend Stan Noren worked at Motion from late 1969 until 1971. It was a mecca for Long Island street racers and always had a few guys watching as we dyno tuned big blocks with 3 barrel carbs, and high rise aluminum manifolds. The shop guys would stand outside when Joel tested out a new car on Sunrise Highway in front of the shop! Still have a few of those MOTION metal placks we put on the valve covers!
Do you remember selling a Phase 3 Vette to Samir Touhamy from Old Westbury? I went to HS with Simir and his younger brother Kareem. The Phase 3 was the most amazong street racer we'd ever experienced.
@@franklabriola8625 Sorry, back then in the almost 2 years I was there we did well over 100 cars for customers in various stages from parts to full cars. Joel is the only one that had records (for taxes,etc.) and when he died, what 6 months ago, Judith would be the only one that would PERHAPS kept the records. She probably has NO IDEA how important they would be!
As a teenager I knew they existed but never saw one around our area. Probably because of the higher cost.
Thank you for doing this vid on Motion. The other tuners are more famous but NO ONE put their money on their work or rather, their ability to check the right boxes. Harrell's shop wasn't far from me and there was a 69 Motion Camaro in the town I lived in. Seems everyone wanted to race it.
When I was a kid, there was a guy who had a white 72 chevelle wagon with the phase III paint scheme with Crager S/S wheels, Ladder bars, and the L-88 hood, That car was a Beast! I have always wondered if it was a Motion car. I watched him race in the late 70's on 231/Deer Park Ave.
68 Biscayne, 427-425 hp, m-22 four speed, 4.56 posi traction. On of course 8.25 X 15 bias ply tires.
Great video. Cool history on those cars
All of them was amazing creations
If we could go back in time I'd order a Motion Super Vega!
My welder has 1 of 3 Chavells brought up to Canada!!
He has been building the big block! Runs a 350 for now.
Nobody knows till he shows the die cast model!!
Awesomeness!! Is the only word!!
MY dad had a 69 Baldwin motion SS Camaro, it was sweet
I actually saw a green 69 motion Camaro with side pipes that looked just like that one at a car show about 30 years ago
Green Meanie
Awesome video
High performance dealers went out in the mid to late 80s due to litigation. The last dealer I remember doing mods and voiding warranties was Ramp Chevy on LI in NY. They sold a Rampage Vette, Camaro and Monte SS, they'd even put nitrous in for you. But lawsuits jeopardized the Rampone family's franchise agreement with GM and they stopped. Lawyers can screw up a wet dream. My uncle worked for JR at BM Chevy and moved to Shore Buick afterwards. Last time I was there, it was a Mitsubishi dealer, maybe Acura now. Sad, because I grew up in cars doing burnouts on Sunrise hwy, lol. Long Island ain't what it used to be, that's for sure.
Not really, Hennessey has kept on--though he got sued for not finishing up your Viper until he got another client in and took parts off their's to finish up your's. Saleen went from just modifying the suspension of the Fox Mustang to working over the engines as well, and Steeda was doing the same. There was DECH in Canada, also with the Fox Mustang. Roush stepped in later, as the computer management mods took the supercars out of dealer hands by the 1990's. Myrtle Motors in NY had the GT version of the Grand Prix in I think 1987.
What did affect the tuners was in 1987 Ford had the GT40 parts over the counter--it was like 1955 and Chevy offering the Power Pack stuff. Any Ford dealer could outfit your affordable Mustang with a 303 camshaft or GT40 tubular intake or heads--no reason to pay a specific dealer a hefty fee to doll up a car and then deliver it to your local dealership when a GT40 Mustang could get you into the high 12's with the right rear axle ratio.
@@albertgaspar627 I'm talking actual dealers, not aftermarketers. SLP, Callaway and Lingenfelter did all that too, they weren't dealers though. You bought the car and it was modded by them, not the dealer. You may have purchased it THROUGH the dealer, but the dealer merely sold it.
@@genefogarty5395 Well, the video is about BALDWIN MOTION cars. and guess what? Baldwin Chevrolet didn't do the swap. You bought the car THROUGH Baldwin Chevrolet and Motion did the swap. Then they dyno tested it to be sure it worked, and finally took it out on Sunrise Highway for a final test.
@@albertgaspar627 You bought the completed car from the car dealer. John Mahler, head of BM parts dept. was my uncles best friend. BM was just like Royal, Knafel, Berger, Yenko, Nickey, etc. The dealer was called Motion Chevrolet, Baldwin was just their location. There was no Baldwin Chevrolet.
@@genefogarty5395 First, most of the 427 swaps after 1968 were COPO, not even done by the dealer (though Yenko would put his SYC logos on, the rest was options like the Sports Gauge package).
Second, there was no Baldwin Chevrolet? Reeeaaaallly? How do you think they got the crate L72s and the GMAC financing? Grab yourself the May 1970 copy of CARS magazine, page 20. Its a full page ad for the 454 Camaro, and at the bottom it clearly states:
"Baldwin Chevrolet/Merrick Road & Central Avenue/Baldwin LI"
Owned by Ed Simonin and Dave Bean since the 1920's, it would change hands in the 1970's. Rosen tried to do a Mach I package with Markowitz Oldsmobile but that fell through.
As for the Hone Overdrive, the ads in CARS magazine clearly states "for fuel economy and increasing top end speed at the dragstrip"
Great info!
I think I remember them doing an awesome 4th gen Camaro SS?
a 454 super vega must have been a beast.
I've as always wanted a basket case 1968 to '72 .. T-top Corvette. Would completely do a Balwin Motion Corvette clone of my dreams.
that green camaro, tho...i have that as a model. so awesome...
Unfortunately that was Joe Oldham’s Camaro that got stolen from his home in Brooklyn.
I remember reading Joe Oldhams articles in I guess Car Craft magazine. Remember his Camaro being stolen. Still never recovered? I was driving my new 69 Z/28 at the time.
MOTION MAKES IT !
There was a Motion striped and lettered 78 z28 in my hometown that was purchased used by a Chevy mechanic and his wife drove it for several years and several years later I picked it up with a new paint job and a rebuilt small block 400 I still own it and wonder if it is a real motion z and what was the original motor?
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I still can’t believe they used that foam insert air cleaner, I had one and the fuel would disintegrate the black foam and it would get sucked unto the carb.
They were crap. I don't think K&N was established yet.
they suck (pun intended) but engine masters proved they flow air better since they don't make it do 90 degree bends.
since i couldn't find the vid, here's another one:
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the old velocity stacks probably stack up pretty good, too.
Have boldwin ever build a 71 to 73 impala or caprice ???
technically, Rosen did rebadge a chevy--10 corvettes he made into the Phase III GT models.
The brown chevelle is own by Goldberg 4:32
Then again, it was far cheaper to build your own. I had a '68 Corvette Roadster which had been an original 427 car. The owner blew up his 427 so I traded my stock '75 Chevy Monza for it. I installed a .30 over 454 with Airflow Research heads, a roller cam and an 850 Holley with nitrous. 4 speed and 4:88 gears.
Joel Rosen was rumored to really mark up his parts, but you also got his tuning experience on the dyno. Back then, a 427 wasn't cheap to find, they were either in junkyard impalas or corvettes (other than the tall deck 427 truck that needed its own manifold) to build yourself. If you used Airflow Research, they were making their heads in the 1990's, when you could find a roller cammed-454 in the junkyard for less than buying a roller setup for a flat tappet block.
Motion was building for folks with cash and no real option to build their own. that's pretty much what the muscle car era was about, no more need to do engine swaps like in the 1950's and then try to find parts that claimed performance but didn't have dyno tests for proof.
The EPA can take flying leep at a roling donut, they need to go after the grass seed farmers burning fields every summer in Oregon state instead.
So the EPA had to jump on somebody making almost no cars. Figures. I drove thru Muscatine Iowa once & stopped at a gas station where both a Motion small block Vega & a Mr. Norm's 440 Dodge were on site. The Vega was the faster car.
Okay what os the horsepower for the LS 7 454??
over 500 bhp, depending on setup. It was basically the LS6 with nearly a full point increase in compression, which adds about 4% more power.
Did any of those tuners modify a 1970 Chevelle 454 LS6?
I believe Motion Performance made their ZLX454 out of the LS7 crate engine.
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And I believe that the LS7 had a different cam than the LS6?
@@MustangsTrainsMowers The original LS7 had been intended for use in Corvettes but never got there. to my knowledge, it had the LS6 camshaft but 12.5:1 compression versus 11.25 in the LS6's first version (chevy really did like that grind). Some said there was a thought to put on the L71 tripower setup if it had gotten into cars (why not, right?).
@@albertgaspar627
If my memory is right the LS7 was a solid lifter cam?
@@MustangsTrainsMowers so was the LS6
I get into small arguments over the LS-7 500 hp 454 , both my dad and uncle have LS-7 454 , my uncle has it in a 1970 ss nova , my pops has it in a 1970 ss 454 Chevelle, both cars go like their raped apes
According to BABVVO and TEBBVO sadly soon all gas cars will be banned!!!!
Laws lol
Didn’t these big block cars come with a “Hone” overdrive? What we call Gear Vendors today?
They weren't meant for mileage, why would someone add weight to a racecar? I know some had low 2:76:1 first gear kits in the trannies. That was done at S-K speed by Freddy Brown.
Not all did, it was an option. Motion Performance was a speed parts catalog business who built cars as well. the Hone unit was a manually-activated version of the GV, yes, and of course they were meant for mileage--many original units were designed for motorhomes. But the other use is for daily driving--a 4.56-5.13 rear gear ratio will kill top speed to not much over 100mph, wear out the engine even at 70mph, etc. but it's great in the city charging from block to block.
@@genefogarty5395 I remember seeing pictures of the B-M , some of them, cars, with the floor mounted lever that engaged it. Wondered if it was standard or another option that could be added. Whew… that was awhile back…I was in high school then, class of ‘74.
@@barryellis7283 You sure that wasn't the reverse lever? I know I've seen many BM cars that had Hurst Verti gate or V-gate shifters, forward was first, pull back for second, pull the finger levers on the T handle push forward for third and then pull back for fourth, no lateral movement. Reverse was a separate lever on the side of the the V-gate. You put the big stick in N and engage the little lever for R. I've NEVER seen a Motion car with an OD, there was just no call for it. My uncle worked at BM and then moved down Sunrise Hwy to Shore Buick in the mid '80's. All the A/T work was done by FB transmissions, they never put an O/D in anything until the late '80s and those were electric solenoid switch operated G/V units primarily for tow/haul rigs. Look up V-gate on YT and you'll see what I think you saw.
@@albertgaspar627 Where did you see an O/D as an option on a Motion car? They may have sold the part, but it was NEVER offered or installed on ANY car they built. I've seen all the Motion literature, I still have most I got from my uncle when I was a kid and NONE of it has an O/D listed as an option. I grew up on L.I. and my uncle worked at BM for nearly 15 years.
Sun-co? Really?
Fast Chevies
..more like brutal beast chevvies
Ford specialty car dealers (largely MIA) missed out on marketing like this. The over-the counter Tunnel Port 427's that did darn well in Nascar could have been murderous in street-bound Mustangs and Torinos. If I ever get my Way Back machine built I'm going to head to Dearborn in 1968 with a baseball bat and an attitude.
Ford had Tasca Ford in Rhode Island--he was Ford's answer to Don Yenko. He even created the 428 Cobra Jet, and Hot Rod Magazine started a letter writing campaign to get the 390 replaced with it. Grand Spaulding Dodge would introduce the 440 Dart the same way--Mopar engineers swore it couldn't be done, so he did it and brought it to the factory.
What really drove the GM dealers (like Royal Pontiac) to engine swaps was GM's limit on CID.
@@albertgaspar627 Yes, for sure. While the 428CJ was certainly a very tractable engine, it sounded and drove somewhat subdued compared to the Chevy premium mills. The "Super" Cobra Jet version really should have had a solid lifter cam and improved breathing. In retrospect, it's evident that Ford was already, by the turn of the decade, putting its money behind the canted-valve 385. But, another topic altogether.
@@413x398 right. arguably, Ford was more focused on racing than on the street (compared to everyone's rival, the GTO, which focused on generating torque until the Ram Air 4's). And Ford typically wanted the buyer to pay up for the really good stuff (consider how many Ford small blocks came with 4 bolt mains compared to chevy 350's).
The 428CJ was a parts bin design, and the 385 really came out too late--had the 429 CJ been available in 1968 let's say, it would have been a competitor for the Rats during that period before the 454. The 428 CJ was just a cheap replacement for Ford's 427--the last Shelby Cobras were even built with 428's--which was getting expensive to build.
Baldwin-Motion cars, "Fully-Dressed" were tacky AF...just like a lot of the fashions of the '60's & '70's.
This is not wrong..
@@backyardbarnfinds they got good performance, no denying.
That is one ugly Corvette.
He wanted his to have room for his two Newfoundland dogs.
@@albertgaspar627 I was talking about the ferrari style headlights.. fug-lee!
@@AJ67901They remind me of the Datsun 260Z. But yeah, the original pop-ups looked fine on the car, let the fender sweeps speak for themselves. it didn't look well on the Ferrarri you're thinking of either :)
Joel Rosin who owned Motion was a crook.
He would install 396 engines and tell his customers it was a 427.
That was a rumor but a 396/ 375 horse power car had to be ordered at Baldwin Chevrolet so how could you not get a 427/ 425 engine put in? Maybe he sold the removed 396 if the customer did not want it.
Rosen was anything but a crook, he gave people what they paid for. My Uncle was a mechanic at BM Chevy and later moved down the road to Shore Buick. At least spell the man's name right ffs.
He did overcharge, but before the internet you bought things out of a catalog so you paid for convenience of finding who had what to offer. Rosen didn't install 396 engines, you had to order the L78 code 396 and he'd sell it to offset the cost of the L72 swap in (after 1970 the LT1 was just as good a choice to sell off). Why would he screw around with his reputation (and get visited by some "associates with guitar cases"--street racing was serious business back then, folks with money they couldn't claim to the IRS were buying ProStock cars off the strip to race)? He had enough business to go around, he was selling cars that got sent to Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.
saw joel until the early 2000's when i had RBR AUTO TRUCK AND VAN OUTLET AT 700 SUNRISE HWY. now it's andy's grand auto service and nothing remain's of MOTION.
How many times do you need to tell us that each one was special ordered & no 2 are alike brah?