Driving the ONE AND ONLY 1969 Baldwin Motion LS7 Camaro SS
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- Driving review & retrospective car story on the 1969 Baldwin Motion Camaro SS with LS-7 454 engine.
Real 1969 LS-7 454 Baldwin Motion Chevrolet Camaro SS
Few muscle cars will provide quite the cache amongst die hard gear heads like a Baldwin Motion creation so often invokes. Baldwin Motion Camaros have caught the attention of all collectors over the years and hold a special mystique, after all it has been said that "a Baldwin Motion 454 Camaro is all about trolling for trouble."
Invoice # 2783 from Baldwin Auto Company Inc. on June 29 1970 saw a new 1969 Camaro in Daytona Yellow sold to a very lucky Ray Dotterer of Lamar, Pa. Using a factory SS 396 Camaro as the starting point this Camaro was the recipient of many tasty Baldwin Motion upgrade options. This process began with shoehorning a LS-7 454 with correct block casting code of 3963512 under the hood. The LS-7 454 being fitted with desirable Winters Foundry aluminum heads and Winters Foundry dual plane aluminum intake manifold. The Motion performance options ordered from new go on from there including:
AM radio, Style trim group and Rally Wheels round out the options on the copy of the original Baldwin Auto Co. bill of sale. After the $3.00 NY state inspection fee and $10.00 transit fee Mr. Dotterer concluded the deal for this Yellow Motion Camaro with salesman "Mr. Bean" for $6193.00. Of interest is Baldwin Motion's very down to business warranty statement at the bottom of the invoice: "this is a race car - No warranty on powertrain."
Look no further than the subtle "454" badging and that famous ducted hood and what lurks in the engine compartment is pure aggression. Thanks to Motion performance you could gladly view and hear something GM did not want its customers partaking in. Owing to those oh so lovely tubular headers the noise the LS-7 454 distributes will have you constantly blipping the throttle just to get a further taste of the auditory thrashing again and again. The engine bay presents so well thanks to the exacting restoration this 'Motion Camaro has been treated to. Look down and the inner fenders look better than when they were brand new, the bright finned valve covers sparkle and that luminous trademark orange block states its intentions. Gaze lower into the front suspension to see every nut and bolt used looks better than the day it left the factory. Correct hoses, belts and lines with all the markings and codes, all topped by the imposing Holley 850 with its gorgeous mechanical linkage remind you that this engine is special. It's a race motor, legal for the road.
That same painstaking restoration put equal effort into the Chassis and body. The undercarriage of this Camaro is quite simply a time warp to when it was brand new. That beautiful code 76 Daytona Yellow is the perfect color for such a wild street terror machine. The depth and shine of this paintwork would be welcomed and fawned over at any show. The bright work, including door handles, mirrors and window surrounds all have a wonderful deep reflection. The black race stripe and correct Goodyear Polyglas tires complete a faithfully original look and rounds out an exterior effort that anybody could recognize as "expensive" . Moving inside, the all black Vinyl interior suits the aggressive feel of the car very well and shows fabulously. Sit down, grab that famous Hurst T bar shifter and with its short throw get ready to feel what Baldwin Motion means with its "performance money back guarantee" . The mostly standard Camaro Super Sports interior (not overly equipped, in order to keep weight to a minimum) has just a few welcome, from Motion Performance, additions. The Sun Super Tach II as well as mid dash mounted voltmeter, oil pressure and oil temperature gauges were part of the original Baldwin Motion specification. Their presence vital to operating a Camaro that is ultimately a device intended only to go down the road as fast as the driver dares. With this kind of unbridled performance available with the stab of the throttle, the willpower of the driver will often give up far before the car's limit has been tested.
With real Baldwin Motion Camaros being a rarity on the market, ownership change is seldom. They have a storied reputation and a diehard following. Collectors who have them just have to keep them. Motion performance was famous for gaudy hood scoops and chrome side exhaust, but when Ray Dotterer ordered this car in 1970 he wanted the biggest, baddest sleeper. Equipped with the never available in a production car LS7 and with more power than the famed ZL1, the ability to hook it up with the help of Rosen's suspension, great paperwork, low mileage, clear owner history since new, and a stunning, correct restoration, this is arguable the most desirable 69 Camaro on the planet.
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0:00 How we got the Baldwin Motion Camaro
0:40 The Camaro on Dream Car Garage (2000)
1:30 Why this car is so unique
2:13 Specs & getting ready to drive
3:21 Driving the Baldwin Motion LS-7 Camaro
6:17 Drag racing the LS-7 Camaro vs. LS-6 Chevelle
7:00 Do you need a Baldwin Motion LS-7 Camaro?
I remember watching that drag race show on cable here in 🇨🇦🍁🇨🇦 And thought to my self is there anything Peter can't do
How was the 454 offered in 69 I thought it wasn't available till the 70 model year???
@@ckelley63 I’m pretty sure the 69 Corvette could be ordered with it. I had a buddy that bought a crate motor LS7 and dropped it in his street/drag Camaro bone stock...ran like a raped ape. 12.5 compression but you could get 99 octane at the pumps back then. I believe it was also a solid lifter cam...whatever it was it had a wicked idle.
@@ckelley63 In the description it states that the invoice date for the car was July of 1970, so the LS7 would have been available, if you had the connections which of course Baldwin did.
I remember dream car garage use to watch it all the time
I’d watch the old show every week. Miss Tom R.I.P. . “Do you Need this Car? Do you Want this Car”. Nice Camaro. Nice sound.
GH, Yep miss Tom as well. Peter sometimes looked at Tom like he was Nutty.
Great looking Camaro.
Damn I didn't know he passed RIP he was a character
@@clodge5196 how did he pass?? Pretty young in this video
@@danieljacobson5774 He died July 30th 2012 from kidney failure Daniel.
Had no idea. Sad to hear this, RIP!
Also the LS7's that Amityville Chevy supplied were Dynoed at 660hp with 12.5 slugs and the L88 cam .560 over .600. Some guys got it with the ZL1 cam. Those are big gears Joel usually liked the 4.56's
Or even the special Rockwell 4.10's. You would love the story when Joel raced a Hemi Cuda with his LS7 chevelle both 70's on Sunrise Highway in the day!
Amityville NY?
All his cars were offered with a over drive
@@claytammaro7060 yep. With a 4:88 or 4:56 came with A Hone overdrive. We would try to make the lever come out of the drivers side driveshaft tunnel. Many had consoles so...
Yeah, this engine clearly wasn’t built to the Motion standards back in the day. Sounds like it got a much smaller cam and possibly less compression to make it more driveable. As if any car with a 4.88 rear gear is really street driveable.
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She's a GROWLER!!! That is one sweet Camaro. I am a HUUUUUGE fan of Baldwin Motion. Absolutely some of the best-built performance machines still to this day.
Like Father like Son Excellent, keep up the good work!!!
Jesus om old lmao ... I remember it getting restored 20 yrs ago , helped peaked my interest in 69 camaros , sending me onto a mission which ended in me at 18 buying a 70 ss396 chevelle . Thanks for the memories LMC.
I remember driving past Baldwin Motion as a kid and seeing the Camaros and Corvettes out front back in the day...
It has been over 50 years but I worked at Motion along with a good friend, Stan Noren. We, along with a few other mechanics built a large portion of their Nova's, Camaro's, and the occasional Corvette... Joel Ros0en, the owner used to take finished cars out on Sunrise Hwy. in front of the store a launch them with all the guys involved in the builds standing on the sidewalk and watching.....Great times and many old memories of all sorts of stories come back when I see a car that I helped build...think we originally built that with a Holley 3 Bbl. Carb back then!
Good afternoon, had the pleasure of watching your father and his crew of technicians restore this car. Glad to see that it is in someone's hands that will treat it like the treasure that it is. Thanks for another great video. You take care and good luck.
Do I need one? YES......YES I DO!!!
I can't even BEGIN to imagine how much that building is insured for. . . o.O
that’s what keeps Jay Leno so poor. 🤣
@@blueman5924 and happy as a hog in shit lol
I've wondered if it would make sense for someone like Jay to self insure?
Sweet baby carrots what a car! I had forgotten about this, seeing the old episode clips brought back some fond memories. As always, thank you.
Man I used to LOVE this show. So nice to see you guys again. So sorry to hear Tom passed 😞
Right there is the ultimate muscle car 💪☝️🔥 !
Miss Tom, Kudos to you Gary, for bringing in Tom's favorite words. The car looks amazing.
Remember those days getting there catalog and stickers and them advertising the 9 sec V8 Vegas with 454's in them.
Did Tom pass away
@@rickarra9396 Yes he did Rick. He dies July 30th 2012 from kidney failure.
Tnx for posting. The collector car, "world," never ceases to amaze and baffle me. This car, one of one, that could easily be cloned; nice '69 Camaro, hi perf 454, M22, etc., is worth 7 figures as you say, vs a clone that might be built for say $300K, all because it came from Baldwin Chev in NY back in the 60's. The value is not in the actual car, but where it was put together back in the in the day. As someone once used to say: that's not news, but that too is reality...
Great show!
R.I.P Tom Dream Car Garage
I see this old footage and miss Tom.
Visited the showroom a few years ago. The highlight of my trip back home to Ontario. What I and most others consider to be he best restoration team in the world. The showroom was quit. I kept looked up at the mezzanine. I'm sure I was drooling..but did my best to not leave a mess. After about 30 minutes of standing in awe of the automotive art before me, the receptionist quietly came over and ask if I would like to go up???? Are you kidding me? But no... I know what's up there is off limits. But thank you. She's said, I see how you are with your kids, how respectful they are around he cars. Do go up and look.... carefully. I will remember that day for a lifetime. Standing in front of the Cobra. Thank you.
This channel just keeps on gettin' better! Thanks LMC!
Great job on the video, when that motor idles it’s music too my ears 👍
RIP Tom , Tom was something special and always humble and honest opinions and loved all types or muscle cars , very nice to see that your interested in these same cars and you look and sound like your dad I'm sure thats not the 1st time you heard that great stuff all the best , Thanks for the time and interests to upload these vids
American muscle is the best. Those old push rod engines had the greatest sound of all time.
She really sounded tough
They’re still pushrod engines.
I had a LS7 in my 69 Malibu with 4:10's and a 4 speed and its was a wild ride to say the least. I damaged the engine a long time ago and sold the Malibu about 20 years ago. Thinking back I still enjoy the memories of that power. It was a 90 over LS7 with LS7 cam, 850 Holley Super comps. The reason it was 90 over was previous owner of the engine blew it up. I remember wrecking a few Muncies with that engine...one on Halloween 1995. Monster Mash was actually playing at the time, and my buddy says "Muncie Mash"...I will always remember that.
how fast? in 1/4??
never took it to the strip@@GidDree
Man hearing you ask the magic question really made me smile. Thanks so much for bringing LMC back to everyone who loved watching you guys years ago
Our pleasure!
Brings back memories. Can’t believe how long it has been since Tom passed away.
Peter and Tom made a great show!
My 72 stingray convertable had an LS-7 an M-22 and 4.56! back in 78 that 2nd owner had bought it over the counter and being a hi-perf mecanic he installed everything and was the fastest car in the Ottawa Ont. area back in 78!!
The smile on your face while driving it says it it all, Yes you do need one!! haha
My bud in 1975 had a 69 vette with an over the counter, LS-7, with 4sp, 4.11 rear & racemaster slicks, ran it on a track one time & got a 11.87 ET thru the side pipes. That thing was a beast!! Above quoted 520hp which is what the baby brother L-88 made, I have a book with a dyno from back in the day showing 580hp in stock form with nothing bud headers..
I just finished watching the full video of this build then watched this one right after. It was awesome to hear Tom's favorite line near the end of this video, awesome!
The smile on your face says it all
God I miss that show Dream car garage the care and effort that went into those cars was nothing short of amazing even the story of starting out in that little garage. Do you need a car like this needs to be a shirt glad to see you guys still at it. Hands down the best cars and car show in Canada 🇨🇦 one day I will be up to
LMC
It's cool to see a young man enjoy this car it's like 1969 all over again.
Watched your dad's show for years growing up! Just living a few miles away! Glad to see your keeping it going! 💯
It’s a beauty I owned one 1968 Camaro very fast trust me still have it today.
Those cars put smiles on faces. Look at your face bro! :-)
Love you this return of Legendary.
Great video, full of enthusiasm.
Great show- keep them coming!
I had a “71” camaro z28 in high school that ran high 12’s in the 1/4 mile. It was very fast for a 16 year old kid. After 5 speeding tickets, my parents made me sell it before I got to take it to the senior prom. What a bummer, but what a fun car to have as your first car. That was back in 1979-1980.
WOW what an absolute beautiful car done RIGHT AND WITH JUSTICE!! Amazing how well it runs, right off the showroom floor. No stalling or falling on it's face when pedal is mashed!!!
Awesome & well done ride!!
Loved the show, loved watching your Dad. Keep up the good work. Welcome back
Awesome video!!
What a keeper, short-shifting it like that it is through the gears and cruising in no time. Hope you can preserve this for many, many more years. Really happy to stumble across your channel, looked forward to the program on Speed years ago.
What a classic muscle car!! 👍🙂
Great car... love the original show. Tom was such a great guy....
When I heard the engine rev and start... I fell in love!! ❤🔥
Thank you for showing us
Thing of beauty and the sound...the devil approves that thunder!!
It's a miracle that car survived!
Your awesome and great review!!👏👏😎
One amazing Camaro, but I also liked the GT4 menu music playing in the background! 🤘😎
Gary is the New-Age Tom! Love it!
very cool acquisition. My only complaint is seeing an MSD box under the dash. Wasnt even invented when Baldwin got a hold of them.
You have the choicest cars.
That thing sounds incredible
That was really cool!😎
Used to watch LMC in UK, think it was on Discovery. Glad you will have new content each week.
On discovery and Men and motors also Barret Jackson
Great video, always enjoyed Dream Car Garage >> love the comedy between Tom and your dad , they always made me laugh . R.I.P. Tom
Leave it to GM for the lack of an original code # when naming the modern day LS derivative, the LS7. Since they already had used the LS7 moniker on this power plant, you’d think 🤔, how hard could it be to come up with an original code name back in 2004. So now when you tell people there’s an LS7 under the hood, most will figure it was updated with a modern LS. There didn’t need to be any confusion.
anyone that knows engines would not be confused between the two powerplants
@@ronmiller1162 you completely missed my point, i’m not talking about visually looking at the engines or the acoustic sound each powered plant gives off, I am talking about GM using the same code name for both engines when (I agree) they are completely (except cyl. count) different.
@@ronmiller1162 However, the modern day LS7 is by far the most superior, naturally aspirated V8 engine GM has made to date, as it should be, since it’s @35yrs new than the old LS7. Shame on GM for code naming each engine the same.
How many times did GM re-use the LT1 engine designation? I mean jeez.
@@rickstout2458, exactly!
Their biggest code naming gaffe was when they named the C5 Z06’s engine “LS6”, stealing the code name from, well, I’m pretty sure I don’t need to tell you what grand daddy big block.
Keep bring out the cars for a run. Nice to see & hear them stretch their legs. What a great job, as rare as the car itself.
Thanks, will do!
Awesome car!
Bro the GT4 music is why I subscribe
Tom was the man! Miss that guy!
What a beautiful car! I just can’t imagine that 454 in a Camaro !!
I grew up not far from Motion Performance & used to drive there often , dreaming of one day having my car worked on at the shop... brings back such fond memories of my youth .
What a cool shop to be able to stop in at!
That car is awesome 😮💪🔥🤘
Yeah, that's an 11 second car, but glad they went easy on it. Love the image of it at the strip with the wide wrinkle walls and tunnel ram hood. Takes me back to the cars we built and raced in the middle 70s, cars that were thrashed to death and now worth 100 times what we paid for them.
It definitely was as Motion built the car back in 1969 but based on the idle sound and the dyno HP numbers given this engine is WAY milder than how it would have been delivered by Motion. Guessing less compression and much smaller cam.
At 103mph it would be high 12's.
Very cool . The original owner seems must of favored an unassuming stock look . I was surprised no special decals or hood treatment
Been there years ago and Loved the show never met Peter but was fortunate to meet Kieth Sims. My photo flash shocked him as he was welding with his back to me when he was under a Dodge product if I remember right. We talked for quite some time about his end of the work and must say Kieth was and still is my hero at LMC. Would have loved to have worked with Keith, his knowledge and ability was a real inspiration of what could be done back at time when his level of work was so special.
Hope Keith Sims is doing well he will always be the man at LMC.
Every man should want a Baldwin Camaro 😊
Nice Gran Turismo music. 😎👍
When you said it's a sleeper, i had to laugh. Any car that says Baldwin Motion, SS, or 454 on it is definitely NOT a sleeper.
Dam you have the coolest job in the world! I've never even heard about this Camaro .
Next up that Shelby?
Nice to see Tom and Dad at Cayuga.
12:5-1 big port open chamber head, big rod, tuftrided crank, high nickel block and came with a notice for 4 spd only, no automatic use. I had 3 of these beasts in the crate, marked off-road use only, XCH "experimental Chevrolet" and yes, in a Camaro body you had to tie the subframes or it twisted more than a belly dancer =) The first one we fired on avgas for breakin' and the headers glowed white hot like the Chevy Power Book cover with Smoky Yunick running some NASCAR beast! Ah, those were the days...
Chele, what was the price tag on those puppies?
As a 53-year-old who has owned over 50 muscle cars, bought sold and enjoyed them. I really appreciate the love for these cars and I can’t believe the Inflated price hike that probably will take it down turn. It’s evident that you come from the very wealthy family and have no worries but the one thing I can appreciate is that you take a very humble approach and a love for these cars. I seriously appreciate young men like yourself!!!!
Your comment about the financial status of his family is absolutely irrelevant,and idiotic at best....
Wow! "Traction Action ", traction bars...a blast from the past. In it's vintage green with the side stripes, it looked just like mine. All that's left of it 38 years later are the door panels and the back seat. 😥
Nice car
Glad you are keeping Tom’s ending to every show. Nice 👌🏽
That sounds like the music from Gran Turismo when you shop for cars!
Beautiful car
You're right!
Lucky kid, nice too see he knows he’s lucky.
Thanks Roger, Very lucky, just trying to work hard and take it all in!
Guys. You need to tell people who don't know what an LS - 7 is and why it's such a badass motor. Gives them more perspective.
My 72 vette was owned by a friend from Ottawa Camille Wana who was the second owner back in 78 and immediately bought an LS-7 an M-22 and a 4.56 rear!! it was the fastest car in the Ottawa area!!!
I still have some of the magazines Hot Cars and Super Street Cars from the long forgotten Engledrum Publishing that carried ads for Baldwin.
There was one for a 1970 Pase 3 Camero.
The advertisement said guaranteed to run 11:00 or better with an asterisk saying "With our driver and a sanctioned drag strip."
If you could swap any engine into any car, what would it be? Let us know below!
I thought this video would be about a restomod with the modern Z06/Z28 ls7, I had no idea there was a classic version. Now I want both!
An LS7 out of a 2006-2013 Z06 into a 98-02 F-body. Its been my dream to do this since Katech did it back in 07/08. LS7 engines are expensive though.
@@davevan9150 // Yes, the original LS-7 454 from back in 1970 could only be purchased over the parts counter at a Chevy dealership (or you could buy all of the necessary components and assemble it yourself, or pay someone else to do it for you). There were never any "factory installed" LS-7 engines from a production assembly line standpoint. The newer LS-7 was a nod to the original when it came about. 😄👍👌✌🇺🇸
The all aluminum LS7 into my 2010 Camaro. With appropriate attention given to the valvetrain of course. You can put one of those in my pickup while you're at it.
@@artvandelay0073 So if this car crossed the production line who built/installed the engine?
Hey Gary, another great video on a great car. The ‘69 Camaro is such an iconic year, never mind it’s a Baldwin Motion car. I’ve been out to your shop/showroom/museum a few times and loved all the rare cars there over the years. I keep buying lottery tickets because one day I will drop by and take home one of Peter’s Boss ‘9s.
Thanks for the support Ron! hope to see you once we're back to normal!
@@legendarymotorcar Can't wait Gary. I enjoyed every one of the Legendary Motorcar episodes with you and your dad, Peter. I think the season pass is still on my DVR, LOL. Also the show where he was one of the appraisers of classic cars about to go across the auction block. I'm glad I stumbled across your TH-cam channel. Subscribed!
This music is from Grand Turismo! I love it!
You need to, I drive by feel and listening, at 68yrs old I was lucky to drive alot of fun cars that today are called Muscle cars, back then they were just Hi -Performance cars 🚗!!! 2022
I rode in a 67 Chevrolet Camaro 454 it was fast plain and simple when you are in the city it does not feel comfortable the second you hit the highway its roars to life and pushes you into the seat
I miss Dream Car Garage, Rest Peacefully Tom.
1 mean machine !
I would be scared to drive it. Not because of the power, but because of the value!!!
3:55 Camera angle make the steering wheel look even BIGGER !
As good as it gets
I never knew how much I missed Tom Hnatiw til I just saw him.
My neighbor in small town in Pennsylvania had one
@ 5:38 looks like a green 69 camaro goes opposite way past him on the road lol