Why Toyota is Killing the Supra.

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  • @mirzamunif
    @mirzamunif หลายเดือนก่อน +2101

    They killed it with the yaris and corolla GR. They can definitely develop their own

    • @phosimmie
      @phosimmie หลายเดือนก่อน +111

      They said they could from they beginning. It would’ve been a $100k sports car, and people would’ve still complained. People are already complaining about the Supra being “overpriced” at $60k!

    • @hpmetabolics7558
      @hpmetabolics7558 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@mirzamunif you're right... no excuses for Z4 with Supra badges on it! All them damn resources at hand! All they had to do was extend the GR Yaris block and give us the damn straight BY TOYOTA! Thing would have made at least 400+ while N/A and easily almost 700 turbocharged! .... cancel this current shi* and get it right with a Supra by Toyota!!!

    • @phosimmie
      @phosimmie 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@hpmetabolics7558 won’t happen. Only way a next gen Supra will happen is with BMW or possibly Mazda (or as a spiritual successor in the Lexus lineup). Right now Toyota is focused on bringing back the MR2 and Celica.

    • @elichen7716
      @elichen7716 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hpmetabolics7558Toyota is spreading their GR resources thin by bringing back cars such as the Celica and mr2 as well as maintaining the GR corolla and Yaris. Plus it really doesn’t make sense for Toyota to put hundreds of millions into developing powertrains for the Supra that are only gonna be popular with car enthusiasts. Those investors aren’t gonna like that they’re losing millions just so they can appeal to car guys.

    • @chimera1767
      @chimera1767 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wint ever happen​@@hpmetabolics7558, this would have been possible with the old CEO but like truth be told they're probably going to stop making sports cars soon in all corners of the market

  • @diamondDanny12345
    @diamondDanny12345 หลายเดือนก่อน +2873

    Toyota nailed the looks for the modern Supra. People wanna moan, complain and regurgitate the same tired old phrase of “oh it’s really a bmw underneath,” but the b58 does a great job in it. Smooth reliable inline 6. let’s be honest here, Toyota isn’t going to develop a whole new inline 6 platform for an already limited production car. All v8s from Toyota are gone. Lexus is most certainly going to kill off the v8 in the rcf, lc500 and is500 very soon. They’re putting their new twin turbo v6s (which have been questionable) in their gargantuan cars. Toyota couldn’t have done anything better than to go to bmw for the b58

    • @hamsterbrigade
      @hamsterbrigade หลายเดือนก่อน +118

      Toyota enthusiasts "bemoan" this car because it doesn't drive like a Toyota sports car. Is that really that hard to understand? If someone slapped a BMW badge on a sports car that DROVE NOTHING LIKE A BMW, I suspect they'd have an issue with it. I personally think the Supra drives terribly; I would never buy one over an M2.

    • @hamsterbrigade
      @hamsterbrigade หลายเดือนก่อน +79

      also, Toyota is responsible for the reliability of the B58. I think BMW benefitted from that partnership WAYYYY more than Toyota did. I hope Toyota never does it again, it was a waste of Supra generation. I believe this current gen will end up like the 350z and 370z; a clapped out tuner car. BMW people aren't going to want it and Toyota people aren't going to want it.

    • @diamondDanny12345
      @diamondDanny12345 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

      @@hamsterbrigade”because it doesn’t drive like a Toyota sports car.” You do realize that if Toyota were to make their inline 6 in house, people would be complaining about how expensive it is. Look at the Acura/Honda NSX and how much it flopped. Lexus lost hundreds of millions of dollars making the LFA. They’re aren’t going to make that mistake again. It’s a 3100-3400 pound grand tourer, it may not be a Toyota inline 6 but they still tuned certain things differently and made it a fun car to drive so idk how that makes any sense. Furthermore Toyota had nothing to do with the development of the b58. bmw has made the b58 years before the Supra came out and was generally very reliable with proper maintenance. Toyota stress tested the engine and certain parts and recommended bmw to make those changes but it remained the same for the most part. The Supra got the b58tu along with the g chassis m340i and m440i. The f chassis has had the b58 since 2016.

    • @Bagel11
      @Bagel11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      The 2j could have been modernized, no need to reengineer

    • @EliPerlman
      @EliPerlman หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Best unique exotic car under 40k please!

  • @shawndixon4536
    @shawndixon4536 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    The Supra being discontinued is NOT a surprise, before it was launched for 2020, Toyota announced it was going to be done in 2025. It was one of the reasons I was looking at getting a launch edition.

  • @jacobsmart7187
    @jacobsmart7187 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +226

    Have been hearing a lot about a celica resurrection and am all for it tbh hoping they don’t fuck it up

    • @genericexcuse4737
      @genericexcuse4737 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Apparently Akio Toyoda is very fond of the idea of bringing back the Celica. So killing off the Supra might be opening the space for Toyota to bring back the ceica. I’m really hopeful, the Celica is probably my favorite line of Toyota cars ever.

    • @adamjohn0
      @adamjohn0 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Hopefully it's not crazy expensive. A nice cheap sports car would be great. They could even get a cheap base trim then have a few higher trims for the loaded people. I'm taking about just 1 screen for infotainment, then regular speedometer and such. Analog needs a come back.

    • @allenparker1448
      @allenparker1448 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      They’ll make it a quad turbo 2 cylinder, 1WD, for $95,000 guaranteed

    • @SublimeRam04
      @SublimeRam04 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I have heard it is going to be the mid engine MR2(with a new name), with the GR 3cyl.

    • @johnzachar3884
      @johnzachar3884 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hopefully they keep it a two-door, not like Acura and the "Integra".

  • @Mhtoe
    @Mhtoe 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +771

    You’re telling me, Mazda can design a turbo inline 6 for a new suv, but Toyota (much larger company) are complaining how expensive and difficult it is. Lazy mfs 😂.

    • @mayanknarang5516
      @mayanknarang5516 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

      toyota is thinking for the future and trying to develop more hybrid cars. The thing is that no one is sure about the future of cars previously we used to think that its electric but the way sells graph of ev's are declining we are not sure about the industry so many companies are not spending that much money on ICEs

    • @professorx2607
      @professorx2607 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      Soo true couldn't have said it better myself. They could've made a twin turbo i6 lexus super car with the stats and proportions of a c7 corvette and do a new low cost v6 toyota sports car replacement for the supra without going to bmw. Basically like how Chevy has corvette and camaro.😊

    • @justinl5914
      @justinl5914 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      It didn't even have to be an i6. The GTR uses a V6 and people still love it.

    • @paqstheunknown
      @paqstheunknown 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Leave mazda alone they on creative mode. We dont need demonic doritos roaming in the streets again😂

    • @icecold8974
      @icecold8974 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Maybe Toyota can just use Mazdas inline 6 and beef it up. They are both great at reliability.

  • @HaiSaidon
    @HaiSaidon หลายเดือนก่อน +363

    Suddenly everyone isn’t bitching about how it uses a BMW platform. This silence is nice..

    • @bepso
      @bepso 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

      when the most reliable car company partners with the most unreliable car company (maybe not the most, but definitely up there) there is going to for sure be complaints from Toyota fans, especially knowing their car isn't going to make it past 100k miles

    • @pixsled
      @pixsled 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

      the b58 is an incresibly reloable platform, probably one of the best in the past decade, all you have to do is keep up with maintanece and itll cruise past 100k eaaily. just cause its a bmw doesnt make it unreliable, stop always chanting it like a sheep ​@bepso

    • @redflagy8
      @redflagy8 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@pixsled I don't know what you are thinking, but bmw and mercedes are at all times low on reliability and build quality right now.

    • @mikaelketo5642
      @mikaelketo5642 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      @@redflagy8the new 3 series are some of the most reliable cars at the moment lol

    • @pixsled
      @pixsled 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@mikaelketo5642 fr, these guys don't know what they are talking about

  • @churro6160
    @churro6160 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +193

    Toyota has amazing engines that lotus uses, they have powerful engines that they use in their trucks or under Lexus. Why they don't use them to make a Supra is a mystery that boggles my mind

    • @justinl5914
      @justinl5914 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Cuz they didn't want to make a Supra they wanted BMW to do all the real work from the get-go.

    • @svieste981
      @svieste981 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      Sports car don’t sell much, doesn’t make sense to reinvent when there’s already an amazing inline six

    • @MWAclanGaming
      @MWAclanGaming 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Fr which is funny they made a lexus is600 then scrap it, which was already made so they literally could use that platform for the new supra.

    • @Jimster481
      @Jimster481 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@svieste981it's because these companies only worship the dollar today.

    • @cbotten106
      @cbotten106 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Because an inline-six cylinder ( a Supra must) is no longer manufactured by Toyota. And due to packaging issues an I-6 won't fit in much else. So a new platform with a clean sheet inline six isn't going to a happen, period.

  • @ArtVandelayOfficial
    @ArtVandelayOfficial 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +93

    I can't understand why the Z4 failed
    It's got the looks, great interior and beastly drivetrain
    It's a rocketship

    • @I_Am_Ln723
      @I_Am_Ln723 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      lack of interest from buyers. Dealerships also need to make money. Just like most American wagon cars failed because not a lot of people wanted it. So they just destroy what people don’t want or technically stop producing it in the first place.

    • @Yggdrasill8
      @Yggdrasill8 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      It's a niche community for sports car, not that profitable unless you are talking about Ferrari or Lamborghini which is all about sports cars, but their target buyers are the very wealthy. Average people want utility cars that feel safe on the road and can carry a family, that is the SUV/Truck/Hatchback which dominates like 80-90% of the market on new cars. I doubt several car manufacturers want to create new sports cars. My Mom actually has a last Gen Z4 with the hard convertible top, and I have a Supra Gr 3.0, great cars.

    • @ChrisRobato
      @ChrisRobato 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      It ain't an SUV crossover. The only thing that sells these days.

    • @thulanimakhoba3212
      @thulanimakhoba3212 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Who buys 2 seater inline 6 for price of 4/5 seater V8

    • @johnsullivan8673
      @johnsullivan8673 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@thulanimakhoba3212 ask AMG.

  • @johncoyle8766
    @johncoyle8766 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    The platform was jointly developed and Z4 sales have nothing to do with work conducted almost a decade ago. BMW doesn’t even make the Z4 or Supra. Truth is they have pre-COVID contracts between three parties that simply don’t work with today’s economics and small sales. BMW loves the Z4 which is why they blessed it with the last new manual trans to a BMW for one year only. It’s a love letter to an end of an era, as the Supra was for Toyota. We will all miss them when they are gone, history will be kind to them I suspect.

  • @Delta97976
    @Delta97976 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Finally a Brother that knows his cars outside of Hellcats… you got my Sub! Also i own a Lotus Evora 2+2 supercharge if you ever want to review it im in chicagoland area 💪🏾

  • @brendon7037
    @brendon7037 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +79

    Toyota should build there own and make it a real supra

    • @ryanchoudhury2060
      @ryanchoudhury2060 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ok what do you think they should do

    • @wturner777
      @wturner777 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But Toyota isn’t big on sports cars.

    • @henryviiifake8244
      @henryviiifake8244 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The GR Yaris and GR Corolla are absolutely killing it.
      I doubt they're in a rush to recreate a platform that flopped for BMW when their "home grown" cars are doing well.
      Besides: The Z4 was, for the most part, a fun car from a "sporty" brand (BMW)... yet it was a financial flop. I don't think that would encourage Toyota to spend all the money to recreate a brand new, unique platform for a new Supra knowing that they'd almost never recoup the R&D costs before that car would become obsolete.

    • @Tombradyjockstrap
      @Tombradyjockstrap 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah

    • @skiterzzz4474
      @skiterzzz4474 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ryanchoudhury2060double the inline 3 they already have and use the same chassis or better

  • @ctre97
    @ctre97 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Toyota already has a turbo 3 pot making only 82 fewer hp than the B58, stick two of them together and they'll have an excellent straight 6

    • @ChrisRobato
      @ChrisRobato 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Toyota instead stuck two of the three cylinder on the bottom to create a turbo V6. Where do you find this engine? Why it's the one on the Tundra, Sequoia, GX550 and Land Cruiser.

    • @SunGodSe
      @SunGodSe 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      SUPRA!

  • @9cyrus540
    @9cyrus540 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It's about them making money, not about making the car you wish they would at additional expense with limited sales.

  • @lt6986
    @lt6986 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    The car version of MKBHD. Keep up the good work bro

    • @krishnat2780
      @krishnat2780 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Mkbhd reviews cars though lol

    • @lt6986
      @lt6986 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @krishnat2780 he reviews some electric cars. That isnt his main topic. The car companies basically reach out to him and ask him to make a video, so he does.

    • @wolfbad512
      @wolfbad512 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He works for mkbhd

    • @ReinKayomi
      @ReinKayomi 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Palestine flag, opinion rejected

    • @ishaanshah7461
      @ishaanshah7461 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@ReinKayomi that's great. Now watch as any mopars exhaust gives you a headache and washes away all opinions

  • @Driftuner
    @Driftuner หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    I will never understand why the LC500 wasnt just called Supra from the beginning...

    • @luckydoggarage8229
      @luckydoggarage8229 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Agree 💯

    • @ldmtag
      @ldmtag หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      That ugly aß slow aß overpriced grand tourer? Have you not seen people losing their šit over Ford calling Mustang Mach E a Mustang?

    • @GodLikeMikeLive
      @GodLikeMikeLive หลายเดือนก่อน +74

      Why would a boat-sized, luxury and V8 powered car be a supra successor? Be serious bruh

    • @hamsterbrigade
      @hamsterbrigade หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      They're both GT cars, but they'd never be able to charge LC500 money for a Toyota. Also, I believe they really wanted to keep it an inline 6.

    • @wr8thbeatz322
      @wr8thbeatz322 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      i’ll help you understand. it’s because that’s the commercialized poor man’s LFA. The design is not similar by coincidence…

  • @davepaturno4290
    @davepaturno4290 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don't think that either company intended their cars to sell like Corvettes. The MKV is an incredible car that is a Car & Driver magazine's "Editor's choice" for good reason.

  • @lrod312
    @lrod312 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I mean, Toyota doesn’t have to kill it. Idk what the sales figures are for it, but I’ve seen enough of them on the road to assume it’s decent enough for its own powertrain. I mean, they could just take my suggestion and work with Yamaha for the new Mk VI i6 twin turbo/twin-scroll turbo. They make pretty nice engines for Lexus.

    • @blaze376192
      @blaze376192 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They don't sell very well from what I've heard, and the whole reason why they used BMWs platform, because they don't want to waste money on it.

  • @DuvJones
    @DuvJones หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I'll be honest, when it comes to the Supra the writing's been on the wall for quite some time. It was the kind of car that was steadily gaining some traction in the 90s, until the 3rd generation of the vehicle in which sales tanked hard... It's partly why they ended up working with BMW, on top of letting BMW take a thorough look at the Mirai (yeah that's right the hydrogen car). Given the BMW's walking away from Z series, which has an equally troubling sales history, I can see Toyota just putting an end to the farce that is the 4th gen.
    I think the biggest problem Toyota has in creating a bespoke platform is that, especially in the US, sedans are really hard sell. The same can be said for sports cars to some degree, which is why quite a few of them are relatively high priced. I just don't see the Toyota Corporation justifying building a platform solely for the Supra alone... It's the kind of thing that got Nissan in a lot of trouble in the 90s, who created a lot of bespoke platforms that they could never justify.

  • @takaradope
    @takaradope 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Also the word on the street is that the Celica is coming back with a 400hp 4 cylinder and grfour

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @takaradope Toyota will likely not make the Celica faster than the 3.0 GR Supra.

  • @likenem
    @likenem 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Its the Modern Version Of Holden GTO, The 04-06 Pontiac GTO was a solid car but the GTO name plate was known for representing America Muscle and the car was built in Australia. The Supra was known for representing Japanese sports cars but was built in Germany

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@likenem The GR Supra is being built in Austria, not Germany.

    • @likenem
      @likenem 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@davepaturno4290 my mistake

  • @dreval9646
    @dreval9646 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    What blows my mind is that they consider the Supra an “affordable” sports car but it’s 50+k ok so nobody’s buying them so let’s kill it and bring back the Mr2 and rumors are that those will be 60k brooo wtf history is just gonna repeat itself and I’ll be surprised if the Mr2 has a longer lifespan than the Supra did

    • @sherifmaghraby8842
      @sherifmaghraby8842 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What would be a more affordable sports car?

    • @alicekim7351
      @alicekim7351 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sherifmaghraby8842 GR86/BRZ, Miata. And that's about it now :(

    • @alicekim7351
      @alicekim7351 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It's because of production, not affordability. A lot of people can afford Supras and that's why there are long wait lists. It was just a project car for Toyota and an opportunity to keep the Z4 for BMW. They never planned to sell a lot.

    • @sherifmaghraby8842
      @sherifmaghraby8842 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alicekim7351 Not sure about the GR86 but the BRZ and Miata would fall more under "tuner/project" rather than sportscar. (but that's just my personal opinion, I see your point).

    • @Zeriel00
      @Zeriel00 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I owned every MR2 and still have my Mk3 MR2 Spyder. Nothing will beat a 2,000lbs sports car with none of the modern computer BS for around 20K at launch. Those days are over. People hated it because of the weak engine but it's nothing a turbo kit or swap won't fix, and still much cheaper than these "affordable" sports cars at 60K+
      BTW I don't want the MR2 to come back as an ugly electric/hybrid or POS 3 cylinder.

  • @mad576wastaken
    @mad576wastaken หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    "The best they've ever made"
    You're baiting us for engagement aren't you?💀

    • @realitycheck469
      @realitycheck469 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      By every objective measure it’s the best they ever made. People can disagree on subjective aspects.

  • @trinaypatel870
    @trinaypatel870 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Do a video on if your family needs a family Nissan but you want a GTR and how to combine them

  • @niradgupta4075
    @niradgupta4075 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would love to see a 2+2 Supra that is still on a dedicated platform and is a true sports car.

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The LC is that car, folks forget, or are too young to know just how expensive a Mk.IV was, almost $100K adjusted for inflation. Just test drive a used one, it's actually a great car and is comfortable to drive at speed like the older real Supras were. The only bad thing is it was never offered in hshift.

  • @vernonedmonds8596
    @vernonedmonds8596 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Bad idea to use the BMW chassis in the first place when they could've used the RC or LC platform from Lexus

    • @koastal312
      @koastal312 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what the fuck are you talking about those are 4000+lb old man cars

    • @I_Am_Ln723
      @I_Am_Ln723 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Then mark it up 100k+ and people would still complain about the price of the car that is less than 400hp

    • @vernonedmonds8596
      @vernonedmonds8596 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@I_Am_Ln723
      Not sure what your point is but using in-house parts and chassis vs parts from a premium company cuts cost just as the Gen IV

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@vernonedmonds8596 The GR Supra destroys the LC and RC platforms on the track.

    • @vernonedmonds8596
      @vernonedmonds8596 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @davepaturno4290
      and ? .... you somehow believe Toyota can't strengthen the chassis to handle a tuned high output inline 6, stiffer shocks, larger brakes and wider rear tires?? It's called R&D

  • @gravyd316
    @gravyd316 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    They aren't killing it. They're building a actual Toyota model. Wait until you see the next Celica. I'm a Toyota enthusiast and have had Supras long before that movie caused the prices to skyrocket. I can't even take out my MK4 out but to car shows. Haters have keyed it,dinged it and sat on it to take pictures. It's maddening. I have a first generation Celica/Supra that's highly modified. I originally put a 2j in it but I hurt it money shifting...... just being honest. We all make mistakes. I pulled the 2j out for a rebuild and threw a LS 5.3 in it and put 13 lbs to it. Now I'm not sure if I'm putting the 2J back in. I had to put a full cage in her just to stop the windshield from popping out on a hard launch. I intend to put a C7 transmission in it soon but there's a lot of fabrication involved. She's a beast though. There's not much on four wheels that can keep up. If you see a gold 85 Supra in NEPA...... Give it your best. I'm always ready. Just let me heat em up first. You'll get a nice look at my custom taillights. If you're lucky I'll throw the hazard's on for you.

    • @davedixon2167
      @davedixon2167 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If they nail a new Celica - that would be exciting; but would they return Supra to a submodel/trim demarcation of the Celica like the olden days?

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @gravyd316 Lots of B58 GR Supras are putting down 8-9 second quarter miles.

    • @gravyd316
      @gravyd316 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davedixon2167 I'd love that. I'd have to own both. Their new hydrogen engine technology is very interesting and they're back to making high horsepower engines again. The future is definitely looking bright.

    • @gravyd316
      @gravyd316 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davepaturno4290 Well..... A 9 disappoints me. A low 8 is acceptable but I strive to be high 7s. And with the power to weight you guys have you should be able to get high 7s. Honestly the platform just doesn't have the Toyota quality. Like I said I'm a Toyota enthusiast. Not BMW. Toyota does it's best work when they combined with Yamaha. It's how legends were made.

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gravyd316 In Consumer Reports' 2024 annual auto issue, BMW ranks #1 over 35 auto manufacturers for:
      Quality
      Performance/handling
      Ride
      Interior
      Infotainment
      Reliability
      Don't underestimate BMW.

  • @gary_beniford
    @gary_beniford 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think this generation will always be popular. Theres already a tuner community/industry for these engines. The zf transmission is very highly rated for response and reliability. You could daily this as much as any newer bmw and expect it operate proficiently. I dont think its been out many years either. That alone creates a rarity element. Definitely a bunch of people already bought them as collection cars.

  • @Kingjay814
    @Kingjay814 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I saw a purple Z4 today and I gotta say that thing is pretty sick looking. I've never understood why it's not more popular

  • @DaPopeOfDope101
    @DaPopeOfDope101 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Toyota is worth a quarter trillion dollars, I don’t think the lack the finances to make a Supra from the ground up, that’s what they should have done from the beginning

    • @sammoon7897
      @sammoon7897 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You clearly don't understand how modern corporations work. You think just because they can 'afford' to lose the money they are going to? The shareholders would riot

    • @realiize
      @realiize 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It wouldn’t be profitable for them as that’s why they won’t do it. It’s would end up being a 100k+ car that the average Toyota fan wouldn’t be able to afford. If they really wanted to, they would’ve done it already.

  • @xanderjohnson8719
    @xanderjohnson8719 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    Best one they’ve ever made is straight diabolical

    • @Cibiry
      @Cibiry หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Supra mk5 is honestly best looking and overall better then the rest

    • @GodLikeMikeLive
      @GodLikeMikeLive หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Best looking maybe, but the B58 doesn't come close to the capabilities of the 2JZ. Miles tweaked on that for sure

    • @mahmoudalhussein110
      @mahmoudalhussein110 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@GodLikeMikeLive pretty sure hes talking stock bro

    • @GodLikeMikeLive
      @GodLikeMikeLive หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@mahmoudalhussein110 “best one ever made” would include what it’s capable of. Stock for stock, the numbers are nearly identical across the board. For a 17 year difference, that’s sad.

    • @sha22276
      @sha22276 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      MK4 wasn't that good

  • @timothycordial1248
    @timothycordial1248 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    One thing he doesn’t mention which I think should be mentioned to enthusiast. Mechanics from what I hear hate working on that b58 inside the Supra since it’s packed in so tightly -

  • @sepg5084
    @sepg5084 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    While armchair experts talkin crap about the Supra, real enthusiasts are modifying racing their Supras to their heart's content.

  • @EliPerlman
    @EliPerlman หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Best unique exotic car under 40k please!

  • @pm-said-it
    @pm-said-it 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Toyota is out of line partnering with BMW to bring back one of its own iconic cars. Reports say that Toyota and BMW didn’t see eye to eye on quality standards no surprise there.

    • @MiguelGarcia-vj7oo
      @MiguelGarcia-vj7oo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That doesn't make any sense, because reports for years had Toyota claiming that the B58 met their standards of quality along with other components and the rest of the drivetrain...........

    • @pm-said-it
      @pm-said-it 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Toyota doesn’t just meet their quality standards they exceed them. Once standards are met they go back and look for potential failure points. Triple check all components something BMW has no interest in. BMW claimed that the test was redundant, not necessary and too time consuming. It’s funny how other car manufacturers try to learn from Toyota and once they find out what it takes to build reliable cars there say awe hell naw! lol ask GM!

  • @stevekalas4943
    @stevekalas4943 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    85 Supra performance model,
    silver and loaded .
    Looked like James Bond’s car.
    One of the best cars I ever owned and
    had the most fun in.😊
    That was a “Supra”.
    Miss that car.

    • @davepaturno4290
      @davepaturno4290 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@stevekalas4943 You obviously have never driven a GR Supra with 3.0 B58 engine. It is far superior to any older Supra. I have a 2024. It is nothing short of amazing.

  • @BrothaNeo
    @BrothaNeo 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Anthony Mackie Jr here y'all lol! 😆 I like the new Supra's. They look amazing.

  • @DeadtownNothing
    @DeadtownNothing 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    The LFA was the Supra we wanted.

    • @koastal312
      @koastal312 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Ok buy the lfa then

    • @swagonometry9893
      @swagonometry9893 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      the lfa was nothing like a supra at all wtf sorta crack rock you smoking on???

    • @alicekim7351
      @alicekim7351 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@swagonometry9893 He wants the financial disaster for Toyota and subsequent praise after discontinuation like the LFA and the previous generations of Supra

    • @_n-Dee_
      @_n-Dee_ 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the lfa was a concept car not to buy, and the new Supra shares the same design language like the lfa but in very ugly and compromised .

    • @baoquoc3710
      @baoquoc3710 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      AND YOU WANTED TO SPLURGE 750K TO BUY ONE? HAHAHA GOOOD LUCK

  • @eliduffer2491
    @eliduffer2491 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    No way he just called the mk5 the best super they’ve ever made that should be a crime

    • @maniac1628
      @maniac1628 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s his opinion you have yours who gives a shit what he prefers

    • @---vo7gc
      @---vo7gc 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think he meant that specific version is the best version of the mk5 since it's manual

  • @aerovaportrail1392
    @aerovaportrail1392 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I've had an 85 and 89 Supra. Was never crazy about this one.

  • @angry-emoji-123
    @angry-emoji-123 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Best supercars that can impress family members while being daily driven at 200k?

  • @ys987yy8
    @ys987yy8 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Surely they can re-engineer the i3 motor in the yaris/corolla to an i6 and replace the bmw drivetrain.

  • @oceancity5776
    @oceancity5776 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Is that a Supra? Nope

  • @Catadafish
    @Catadafish 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I will miss all sports cars you can shift yourself

  • @saman-_-3826
    @saman-_-3826 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You’re telling me that Toyota wants to make a car that is actually a Toyota!??

  • @alg003
    @alg003 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I genuinely dont understand why people call this a Toyota. It's literally a BMW in all aspects except for the toyota logo. It's built by BMW, its designed by BMW, every electronic bit, and bob is made by BMW. It's a BMW. its rebranded as a Toyota, but its a BMW.

  • @RS-of1om
    @RS-of1om หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    all they need to do is bring the 2JZ motor snd drop it in

  • @vasugovind1457
    @vasugovind1457 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If it didn’t had the supra….bet people would have love it….they were expecting high from the new gen supra while comparing it with the older gen.😢

  • @MrSamPhoenix
    @MrSamPhoenix 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I’ve only head that the BMW Z4 isn’t popular here in the states. So it could still be produced elsewhere while Toyota offering us the Supra here.

  • @funkwy431
    @funkwy431 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    best one they ever made my ass delete the channel bro

    • @Cibiry
      @Cibiry หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Mk5 smashes mk1, 2, 3 and 4

    • @NyzedOfficial
      @NyzedOfficial หลายเดือนก่อน

      “Delete the channel bro”🤓

    • @YT-Zotizy
      @YT-Zotizy หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Cibiryunless the 4 is completely modded and tuned for it.

    • @YT-Zotizy
      @YT-Zotizy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you have the 4 set up for it, the mk5 doesn’t stand a chance.

    • @Cibiry
      @Cibiry หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@YT-Zotizy I’m talking stock

  • @ScottDeCastro
    @ScottDeCastro วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love how other brands use Toyota engines but Toyota itself says nope

  • @ggates2500
    @ggates2500 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's always a price they could pay to produce it in house. I wonder..

  • @Mister2j86
    @Mister2j86 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The same people who will sit up here and cry about it being in the BMW or the same people who will give a pass to the gr86 when in reality it's a Subaru more than anything

    • @lunsy9420
      @lunsy9420 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Nobody cares about the gr86.

  • @jaddyrose9318
    @jaddyrose9318 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think they need to make a refresh of their own by now

    • @I_Am_Ln723
      @I_Am_Ln723 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not a bad idea but it would be a lot expensive for a car that is less than 400hp from factory.

  • @Space.Folding
    @Space.Folding 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Toyota didn't kill the Supra. It lived for 7 years which is longer than anyone would've thought. 2019 - 2025.

  • @dirtyeggo
    @dirtyeggo 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A modern MR2 with the 3 cylinder turbo from the Corolla sounds like fun

  • @doubleclutchonline5811
    @doubleclutchonline5811 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Toyota "nailed" the looks? You don't hear that often.

  • @theothernodude3139
    @theothernodude3139 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Major props to Toyota for even wanting to make another Supra again. Not only that, but actually doing it in a way that didn’t feel like just another car but rebadged. Both the Z4 and Supra have their own unique properties that actually make them feel like two completely different cars and if you honestly changed the engine sound and remove all BMW badging, the average consumer would probably not even realize that it shares a lot of DNA with the Z4. Remove the fake vents and the look of the car is timeless as well.
    Just like people hated on the MK4 Supra and later appreciated it close to the end of its life, I’m positive the same will happen with the Supra.

  • @matheokrug4026
    @matheokrug4026 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would love a best picks for safari conversion projects under 10 /20 /30 k (what ever you like best). Two door cars and it would be nice if they were somewhat reliable.

  • @thangnguyen-yc2lz
    @thangnguyen-yc2lz 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    toyota did builded their own supra, the cost was over 100k so they threw it out.

    • @justinl5914
      @justinl5914 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't believe that. Fake news just like the vents being removeable.

    • @mrjjthor
      @mrjjthor 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Not true. Toyota said the Supra would have cost $100k "if" they build the Supra on their own.

  • @genericweeb7300
    @genericweeb7300 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I say the Celica revival concept implies that future Supras are going back to the Mk1-Mk4 days of being "Super" Celicas.
    Like how Nissan's GT-R series used to be souped-up Skyline coupes until the R35 became it's own thing.

  • @mik55tv22
    @mik55tv22 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The new supra is honestly way better than the old one in every way and its way faster and handles much much better but not as fun to drive
    You need 750hp in the old supra to keep up with a bone stock new supra technology does wonders

  • @Bleezy453
    @Bleezy453 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “while i drive the best one ever made”
    lmao the moment i knew to tell youtube dont recommend.

  • @frenchLeon
    @frenchLeon 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Lexus RCF is the real supra.

  • @Morphling92
    @Morphling92 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It’s not a Supra , so there’s that…

  • @puddledduck3662
    @puddledduck3662 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you knew how much Lotus overspent on the Emira you'd know the savvy Toyota won't be making that mistake

  • @blax52vet
    @blax52vet วันที่ผ่านมา

    that z4 should have been a hard top drop. i hate soft tops. unless it's in the bedroom.

  • @Echelonperformance
    @Echelonperformance 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can’t miss what I have. Smile Everytime I look at it and drive. They’ll miss it when it’s gone. Some will be dying to have one when its out of prices reach like the MK4

  • @technics-n-thuiast8346
    @technics-n-thuiast8346 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All I’ve heard is that Toyota is building a mid-engine Supra….based on lotus Emira?!😮

  • @Rose_Butterfly98
    @Rose_Butterfly98 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One of the issues with the z4 is the fact that the m2 exists, it's just better in every way other than ability to lower the roof.
    I wonder if Toyota would actually make one on their own, all the rest of their recent sports cars have been partnerships with Subaru.
    But they will be making a new mr2 so maybe they can.

  • @arycosta7293
    @arycosta7293 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Out here looking like Jet Jackson on the thumbnail.

  • @quixomega
    @quixomega 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Toyota isn't killing it BMW is.

  • @andrewguevara4507
    @andrewguevara4507 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They are making room for the celica and MR2 watch 👀

  • @stephenmoore1541
    @stephenmoore1541 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It wouldn't be that much to develop their own. They already have a platform, the LEXUS RC. It would just require they don't use an inline 6, but people moaned about the R35 not having an RB but they got over it. They should've never gotten in bed with BMW in the first place. It sullied the Supra name and gave BMW control over their car...

  • @droidtigger
    @droidtigger 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It wasnt going to sell a large volume to start with, which is why they collaborated. Just lik5 the mx5 with fiat 124. Its just cheaper than developing a low volume car from the ground up. When their heart is in it, they do it themselves.

  • @david328ci
    @david328ci 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Toyota could always their own Supra but they don’t want to because a replacement isn’t even in development. Guess we’ll have to wait for the new MR2.

  • @brianrand1129
    @brianrand1129 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I have a 2020 & its tuned i wont sell it . The tunablity of the 2020. Guy u have to remember Toyota didn't have a Flat 6! So a new engine Supra would have been a 100k easy & it wouldn't have sold at that price!

  • @dealman3312
    @dealman3312 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Toyota can never come close to what BMW can do in motorsports. Buy a supra, garage it, and sell it later for $$$

  • @boxoffisa
    @boxoffisa 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I am still confused why Toyota don’t use their engines and powertrains. They have the GR series V6 engines like 4GR and 2GR used by lotus, and also the V8 engines in Lexus are great. Should just partner with lotus and make something.

    • @I_Am_Ln723
      @I_Am_Ln723 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      People would still hate it and they would have lost a lot of buyers because most people expected the Supra to come with a redesigned 2jz or 3jz and the price of the new Supra would probably have been more than $100k.

  • @mad0uche
    @mad0uche 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can call a piece of shit a flower all you want, it’s still a piece of shit not a flower. That is not a Supra and never will be.

  • @danmel3978
    @danmel3978 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They should make a supra with the v10 that they put in the lexus lfa 😂

    • @I_Am_Ln723
      @I_Am_Ln723 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And then watch them charge customers $300k plus for it😭

  • @sub-zero3337
    @sub-zero3337 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro really just called this bmw supra "the best one they ever made " with a straight face . This is why I can't watch Americans reviewing Japanese cars.

  • @bearclaw5115
    @bearclaw5115 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They are only selling 3,000 of these a year in the U.S.
    When this one is gone, it's gone. No way Toyota will pay for the development costs on it's own to produce a more expensive and definitely slower selling version of the car it has now.

  • @Ungovernable_Schizo
    @Ungovernable_Schizo 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good, they should develop a 3JZ GTR to complete the trilogy

  • @kzukiodenthechad7205
    @kzukiodenthechad7205 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They already killed The Supra though, working with a Competitor to make a new version of something was where they went completely wrong and killed The Supra

  • @ejsgarage
    @ejsgarage 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Because it is still $49,000 and I can’t afford it 😂

  • @DeepakKumar-lv4te
    @DeepakKumar-lv4te 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    tough market with low volume sales. Not surprising if they go with the Celica instead, makes much more sense, more volume.

  • @bassfan71
    @bassfan71 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The value of the MK5 Supras will be sky high if this is the case.

  • @Pirustae
    @Pirustae 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No, I'm not gonna miss it. As good as it is, people ruin it with their mods.

  • @t-lawsfitness6044
    @t-lawsfitness6044 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People don't buy enough supra to justify the r n d costs

  • @markallen2984
    @markallen2984 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This Frankenstein was NEVER a Supra.

  • @jimmytango
    @jimmytango 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They’re not killing it off because bmw is killing the z4. Toyotas contract with magna steyr is ending; It was only a 7 year contract.

  • @zeroconduction
    @zeroconduction 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No need for the Supra when the Celica and MR-2 are coming back.

  • @sford65
    @sford65 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The loss of the Z4 is the bigger issue

  • @jrfish007
    @jrfish007 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Part of the supras appeal is the engine, maybe if their current V6 TT motor from the Tundra gets straightened out it might be a Supra engine?

  • @1hundredz
    @1hundredz 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And also the Lotus in using the celica engine with a supercharger and the Camry V6 with a supercharger as well.

  • @user-ez6sm5lb6t
    @user-ez6sm5lb6t 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The issue is that it would have to be a inline 6. Toyota doesn't have one. THat means a new supra will go from $60k to over 100k.

  • @evanbridges4005
    @evanbridges4005 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Second biggest car company in the world, and they can’t build their own flagship sports car. Pathetic

  • @Gringorican
    @Gringorican 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1) it really bugs me how almost NO ONE will acknowledge Toyotas work on the B54 engine. It's reliable because Toyota worked with BMW redesigning parts to meet Toyota standards
    2) if Toyota ever does revive it as a fully Japanese car, it'll probably have a 4cyl with iForce Max. Which would just upset a lot of fans 🤷🏽‍♂️
    3) If what I hear about the MR2 specs and price is accurate, then the Supra and MR2 would just cannibalize each others sales

  • @shumi6942
    @shumi6942 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Tbh I was shocked that Toyota hadn't partnered up with lotus. I mean come on, they're using YOUR engine, why not use it yourself???

  • @odinxrk1424
    @odinxrk1424 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They‘re doing the new MR2 and Celica gt so they‘ll for sure keep doing sports coupes