8:14 this is what you gotta do in every corner to initiate, but you gotta be confident with the countersteer, don't wait for the car to slide, predict it. 8:21 splendid entry like before, but you kept steering right. You have to predict it, fight your instincts!
@@realTakumifujiwara You were not 4 wheel drifting you were understeering. Just flick the car faster and be ready to catch the oversteer. Less steering input, more throttle control.
@@realTakumifujiwarayou kept steering right which lead to the car oversteering, you could've kept the wheel as is but then you needed to control the car with the throttle - give it just enough for it to not oversteer. in any case, good luck
At 5:33 you're doing it right, but the last thing you need to know is that as you approach the end of the corner the suspension is almost balanced again, which means the car starts going straight more and more, as this happens, the angle of your front wheels and the car's direction overlaps. When these two overlap, the front regains grip and then you snap to the other side. To avoid snap like that you need to reduce your countersteer as you're approaching the end of the corner, this takes a lot of practice. You can try letting go 5 to 10% of the throttle as you do this to kinda force the car to return to grip and secure the maneuver. I also see that you're feathering the throttle a lot, which isn't necessarily bad for speed, but bear in mind that this might be causing your mid cornering snaps; in the ae86 going from 90% to 75% throttle equals regaining grip most of the time and as you do this if you don't return the wheel to neutral you're cooked. In case you don't want to go back to grip, the same applies, reduce your countersteer and/or push the pedal to the metal. If that's not enough, then you have to try something different next time, like going faster or having more throttle/ less countersteer earlier. For the drifts where you are in the middle and you still snap, that's because you're countersteering way too much and feathering the throttle which helps regain grip if you do it too much
Through a corner that doesnt require braking its probably just better to not drift at all, even if you do its through abit of lift and a slight flick of the wheel to get it rotating. Clutch kicking can be used DURING the braking, as you heel and toe, you can over-rev slightly so that when you release the clutch the wheels start to spin, just like a clutch kick. The car will straighten if theres not enough throttle applied or not enough momentum (speed carried) so its about being more aggressive. The way you initiate the drift causes it to have more rear grip and understeers the car more on entry so its not as aggressive as braking or clutch kicking. The BMW also doesnt seem to have enough power for a really long drift. If you want to do those kinds of really showy drifts try the World Drift Tour cars, they have tons of power and feel quite good. Something I noticed in your driving is you tend to downshift quite late, the earlier the downshift the more rotation you get as you put more load on the rear tyres. Your braking should be as late as possible and as confident as possible in order to get the weight shifted to the front, because you brake so early and then coast towards the corner, you lose all the weight transfer you had when you first started braking, causing you to understeer on entry, try trail braking as well (braking in the corner more and with a slower and gentler release) 7:59 is a great example as you were constantly coasting which meant you had an even load at the front or rear, the car then ended up understeering, using the brakes to get more weight transfer is tricky too since it would slow you down more although that is what i would recommend, another option is to simply pull the handbrake when entering. Try not to coast too much, it keeps the balance of the car too neutral so you're not using the grip to its fullest potential. For the corners that you understeer and end up clutch kicking, the handbrake is actually more beneficial since it wont cause you to speed up and ruin your line and also clutch kicking usually just causes more understeer. You should be more confident on throttle as its probably faster to just throttle out and have to countersteer then getting off the throttle entirely. It will also teach you more about how the car behaves as it exits corners so in the future you can control the throttle better.
thank you that was a really great explanation! are WDT cars realistic ? Some I heard were offered as a practice car for learning how to drift but some people also said its not realistic.. I wasnt sure to use them for practice or not.. yes for downhill i still have trouble throttling hard, i end up just feathers it alot, most of the time i gas it to 100 the car will fully slip so im just abit autopilot on those corners now ;-; for braking, so if im on third gear going 120, do i slow down to like 60, switch to 2nd gear, rev it to 80, then brake hard and turn to corners?
@@realTakumifujiwara while i cant say whether or not its the most realistic I'd say its good enough to train you in throttle control and learning those formula drift style drifts, although if im not wrong formula drift is another step above where they have even more power and even more grip for much longer and faster drifts
@@realTakumifujiwara you cant exactly rev it to another speed, thats just accelerating, when you heel and toe down to second you should rev abit more than you need to in order to mimic the effects of a clutch kick. Another way is to not rev match at all, shift down without using the throttle to give a similar effect to a clutch kick, this can be done with or without braking so give it a try! Also pls dont do this in a real car unless you would like to kiss your clutch bye bye haha
@@Jadedstuckinschool thank u for clarifying that! I tried to use thr wdt car last night and feels very different than the e30 hahah, most of the time the clutch kick isnt working that much, morely just power drifts and handbrake and its harder to control
6:20 I thing the main issue here is entering the corner a little slow, regaining grip because you're feathering the throttle, then having to push harder(somehow of a power over) to complete the corner.
So basically going too slow at the entry will almost always mean one of two things. 1:you are forced to go harder on the throttle, which forces you to countersteer more, if you're not careful here all your speed will be going sideways and you hit the exterior guardrail. 2: you give up the drift, which isn't bad, better safe than sorry The third and magic solution needs experience: recognize that you're going too slow to complete the corner, so you increase the throttle for only the right amount.
@@unlimitedquickworks7387 oh i was going slow because i was practicing some clutch drift, which they mention we need to be just at half rev, around 4-6k then clutch kick! is it better to just use handbrake for these and on 3rd gear?
Thanks for the quick mention, it's an honor to be seen as a mentor but i think of myself as just giving some advice to a fellow enthusiast. You're still doing all the work. Btw have you seen what the learning curve for basically anything looks like? Look it up its pretty interesting. When you learn something new your knowledge and skills overlap at some points but as you learn more and more there is a point where you can only see your mistakes as your skill hasn't catch up yet, this is when you'll feel less motivated. But if you understand this you can reverse that, as being able to see your mistakes means you're actually getting better. Maybe you're in one of those moments right now where you can only see your mistakes but soon your skill will catch up. (Trust me im an artist all i know is pain lol)
thank u! yes i mentioned this to a friend before and they talked about this learning curve hahah you spot your mistakes as you get better but dont feel like youre improving at all!
The moment you turn into the corner when doing a weight transfer, try applying 60 percent brake power (maybe less depends on how heavy your foot is) and downshift the moment you start counter steering BEFORE or just at the start of the corner. Then feel over time what works best for your feet and muscle memory
In my opinion before starting with all these flashy show off methods, run the ideal line over and over again, over time u get a good feeling when to break without letting the car oversteer, otherwise u will learn bad habbits, the moment u can actualy feel the car u can go further and start high momentum brake drifts, you can tune the brake bias to your liking (the lower the number the more u brake with the rear, 67%~71% i wouldnt go lower or higher than that)
Does making your brakes more biased to the back help with drifting? I’ve been driving the 86 tuned for a few months now and have gotten stuck I think my issue is I don’t get enough rotation my style is petty grip oriented and I wanna change it
@CallMeQ900 i cant really tell the difference as im still tuning too and trying out the differences, maybe change the tyres from semislick to street, will rotate more / drift easier!
For the drifts that don't require slowing down, doing a simple power over is always a good option, especially if you're trying to get a feel for things. Also for the wheel, I'm pretty sure the logitech is a gear driven force feedback system, while some other wheels like the thrustmaster are belt driven. I'm aware the logitech has a slightly slower counter steer. but Ive seen a lot of good drivers using that wheel, so just keep it up I think you're making pretty decent progress for your pace!. hope this helped^^
@ oh fair enough lol, also I face the same problem as you in forza where when I slide I can’t maintain it without the car correcting and swerving in the other direction unless I continue steering into the corner
I noticed in both your drift and the touge clips that you steer really slowly but hard into the turn pretty much cancelling the weight transfer from the opposite flick which then results in understeer. You need to flick faster towards the turn but overall steer much less which should get you faster into the slip angle or oversteer depending if you're drifting or doing touge. Right now you're giving too much steering and also too slowly.
Formula drift? I feel offended. I am sorry if you are interpreted me the wrong way. When it comes to "continuous drifting", its very difficult to do unless you have a super powerful car. Formula drift uses a lot of handbraking to initiate angle, which is exactly I am telling you to try not to do. Formula drift is also judged by many different aspects like angle and speed. In touge racing, you are trying to utilize "slip angle" to get the best time of entry and exit, which is completely different from formula drifting. th-cam.com/video/ZO-18JF4T8c/w-d-xo.html Not trying to self promote or anything but check out the run I did today. Im a bit rusty and my setup is horrible atm so my run is far from perfect. Hopefully the video will show a little bit of what i am talking about. Also i got a time of 5:03. I hit the guard rail a couple of times and my wheel fell off mid race so it effected my time a lot. At my prime i can get the drift 86 to do a 4:50 on the downhill.
Sorry Steve ;-; I just had the impression you do like those tandem drifts coz when i first started, u told me to keep using the drift ae86 and to use semislicks if its too slippery! Thank u for the clarification about formula drift! I thought normal cars can keep drifting nonstop too.. I watched ur vid and its cool, still got it man, alot of clean drifts there :) thank you for uploading, else i wouldnt be able to see how everyone perform while giving advices !
8:14 this is what you gotta do in every corner to initiate, but you gotta be confident with the countersteer, don't wait for the car to slide, predict it.
8:21 splendid entry like before, but you kept steering right. You have to predict it, fight your instincts!
am i supposed to countersteer that? i thought a drift without a countersteer = four wheel drift is what we're ideally looking for!
@@realTakumifujiwara You were not 4 wheel drifting you were understeering. Just flick the car faster and be ready to catch the oversteer. Less steering input, more throttle control.
@@realTakumifujiwarayou kept steering right which lead to the car oversteering, you could've kept the wheel as is but then you needed to control the car with the throttle - give it just enough for it to not oversteer. in any case, good luck
1:45 thats a nice easter egg 👀
At 4:40 that's a handbrake pull and then the rest is just relying on power and inertia to switch directions
yes thats what i figured out at the end ;-; just hard handbrake, after i watched ken block's video of drifting, alot of handbrake ;-;
At 5:33 you're doing it right, but the last thing you need to know is that as you approach the end of the corner the suspension is almost balanced again, which means the car starts going straight more and more, as this happens, the angle of your front wheels and the car's direction overlaps. When these two overlap, the front regains grip and then you snap to the other side. To avoid snap like that you need to reduce your countersteer as you're approaching the end of the corner, this takes a lot of practice. You can try letting go 5 to 10% of the throttle as you do this to kinda force the car to return to grip and secure the maneuver.
I also see that you're feathering the throttle a lot, which isn't necessarily bad for speed, but bear in mind that this might be causing your mid cornering snaps; in the ae86 going from 90% to 75% throttle equals regaining grip most of the time and as you do this if you don't return the wheel to neutral you're cooked.
In case you don't want to go back to grip, the same applies, reduce your countersteer and/or push the pedal to the metal. If that's not enough, then you have to try something different next time, like going faster or having more throttle/ less countersteer earlier.
For the drifts where you are in the middle and you still snap, that's because you're countersteering way too much and feathering the throttle which helps regain grip if you do it too much
After watching the whole thing i see you're improving your entry speeds a lot, give it time💪
Through a corner that doesnt require braking its probably just better to not drift at all, even if you do its through abit of lift and a slight flick of the wheel to get it rotating.
Clutch kicking can be used DURING the braking, as you heel and toe, you can over-rev slightly so that when you release the clutch the wheels start to spin, just like a clutch kick.
The car will straighten if theres not enough throttle applied or not enough momentum (speed carried) so its about being more aggressive. The way you initiate the drift causes it to have more rear grip and understeers the car more on entry so its not as aggressive as braking or clutch kicking. The BMW also doesnt seem to have enough power for a really long drift.
If you want to do those kinds of really showy drifts try the World Drift Tour cars, they have tons of power and feel quite good.
Something I noticed in your driving is you tend to downshift quite late, the earlier the downshift the more rotation you get as you put more load on the rear tyres.
Your braking should be as late as possible and as confident as possible in order to get the weight shifted to the front, because you brake so early and then coast towards the corner, you lose all the weight transfer you had when you first started braking, causing you to understeer on entry, try trail braking as well (braking in the corner more and with a slower and gentler release)
7:59 is a great example as you were constantly coasting which meant you had an even load at the front or rear, the car then ended up understeering, using the brakes to get more weight transfer is tricky too since it would slow you down more although that is what i would recommend, another option is to simply pull the handbrake when entering.
Try not to coast too much, it keeps the balance of the car too neutral so you're not using the grip to its fullest potential.
For the corners that you understeer and end up clutch kicking, the handbrake is actually more beneficial since it wont cause you to speed up and ruin your line and also clutch kicking usually just causes more understeer.
You should be more confident on throttle as its probably faster to just throttle out and have to countersteer then getting off the throttle entirely. It will also teach you more about how the car behaves as it exits corners so in the future you can control the throttle better.
thank you that was a really great explanation! are WDT cars realistic ? Some I heard were offered as a practice car for learning how to drift but some people also said its not realistic.. I wasnt sure to use them for practice or not.. yes for downhill i still have trouble throttling hard, i end up just feathers it alot, most of the time i gas it to 100 the car will fully slip so im just abit autopilot on those corners now ;-;
for braking, so if im on third gear going 120, do i slow down to like 60, switch to 2nd gear, rev it to 80, then brake hard and turn to corners?
@@realTakumifujiwara while i cant say whether or not its the most realistic I'd say its good enough to train you in throttle control and learning those formula drift style drifts, although if im not wrong formula drift is another step above where they have even more power and even more grip for much longer and faster drifts
@@realTakumifujiwara you cant exactly rev it to another speed, thats just accelerating, when you heel and toe down to second you should rev abit more than you need to in order to mimic the effects of a clutch kick. Another way is to not rev match at all, shift down without using the throttle to give a similar effect to a clutch kick, this can be done with or without braking so give it a try! Also pls dont do this in a real car unless you would like to kiss your clutch bye bye haha
@@Jadedstuckinschool thank u for clarifying that! I tried to use thr wdt car last night and feels very different than the e30 hahah, most of the time the clutch kick isnt working that much, morely just power drifts and handbrake and its harder to control
@@Jadedstuckinschool is this the downshift strat before a corner to force the car to drift without using clutch?
6:20 I thing the main issue here is entering the corner a little slow, regaining grip because you're feathering the throttle, then having to push harder(somehow of a power over) to complete the corner.
So basically going too slow at the entry will almost always mean one of two things.
1:you are forced to go harder on the throttle, which forces you to countersteer more, if you're not careful here all your speed will be going sideways and you hit the exterior guardrail.
2: you give up the drift, which isn't bad, better safe than sorry
The third and magic solution needs experience: recognize that you're going too slow to complete the corner, so you increase the throttle for only the right amount.
@@unlimitedquickworks7387 oh i was going slow because i was practicing some clutch drift, which they mention we need to be just at half rev, around 4-6k then clutch kick! is it better to just use handbrake for these and on 3rd gear?
Thanks for the quick mention, it's an honor to be seen as a mentor but i think of myself as just giving some advice to a fellow enthusiast. You're still doing all the work. Btw have you seen what the learning curve for basically anything looks like? Look it up its pretty interesting. When you learn something new your knowledge and skills overlap at some points but as you learn more and more there is a point where you can only see your mistakes as your skill hasn't catch up yet, this is when you'll feel less motivated. But if you understand this you can reverse that, as being able to see your mistakes means you're actually getting better. Maybe you're in one of those moments right now where you can only see your mistakes but soon your skill will catch up.
(Trust me im an artist all i know is pain lol)
thank u! yes i mentioned this to a friend before and they talked about this learning curve hahah you spot your mistakes as you get better but dont feel like youre improving at all!
The moment you turn into the corner when doing a weight transfer, try applying 60 percent brake power (maybe less depends on how heavy your foot is) and downshift the moment you start counter steering BEFORE or just at the start of the corner. Then feel over time what works best for your feet and muscle memory
i thought it is bad to downshift during a drift no?
In my opinion before starting with all these flashy show off methods, run the ideal line over and over again, over time u get a good feeling when to break without letting the car oversteer, otherwise u will learn bad habbits, the moment u can actualy feel the car u can go further and start high momentum brake drifts, you can tune the brake bias to your liking (the lower the number the more u brake with the rear, 67%~71% i wouldnt go lower or higher than that)
I need to play around with the tuning of the car, now that i understood what your brake bias means hahah
Does making your brakes more biased to the back help with drifting? I’ve been driving the 86 tuned for a few months now and have gotten stuck I think my issue is I don’t get enough rotation my style is petty grip oriented and I wanna change it
@CallMeQ900 i cant really tell the difference as im still tuning too and trying out the differences, maybe change the tyres from semislick to street, will rotate more / drift easier!
@@CallMeQ900 yes a lower brake bias value will adjust the brakes more to the rear, but ac physics are way more complex
@ what are some ways I can make the car oversteer more?
For the drifts that don't require slowing down, doing a simple power over is always a good option, especially if you're trying to get a feel for things. Also for the wheel, I'm pretty sure the logitech is a gear driven force feedback system, while some other wheels like the thrustmaster are belt driven. I'm aware the logitech has a slightly slower counter steer. but Ive seen a lot of good drivers using that wheel, so just keep it up I think you're making pretty decent progress for your pace!. hope this helped^^
@@zays5488 thank you Zays! What is a power over?
Power over is when you push the throttle hard enough for a second or so, and you start a drift @@realTakumifujiwara
@@unlimitedquickworks7387 oh power drifts, but this car dont have enough power to perform power drifts ;-;
Dope bro 🤙🏾
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if u wanna drive im here dude:D
impressive driving honestly, you should set up a pedal/wheel cam too if possible
i drive these with bare foots, i dont want to record my foot ;-; i have the pedal and brake bar on the right side next to the meter though!
@ oh fair enough lol, also I face the same problem as you in forza where when I slide I can’t maintain it without the car correcting and swerving in the other direction unless I continue steering into the corner
I’ll try getting a video of it later
Game name?
Assetto Corsa
I noticed in both your drift and the touge clips that you steer really slowly but hard into the turn pretty much cancelling the weight transfer from the opposite flick which then results in understeer.
You need to flick faster towards the turn but overall steer much less which should get you faster into the slip angle or oversteer depending if you're drifting or doing touge. Right now you're giving too much steering and also too slowly.
Formula drift? I feel offended. I am sorry if you are interpreted me the wrong way. When it comes to "continuous drifting", its very difficult to do unless you have a super powerful car. Formula drift uses a lot of handbraking to initiate angle, which is exactly I am telling you to try not to do. Formula drift is also judged by many different aspects like angle and speed. In touge racing, you are trying to utilize "slip angle" to get the best time of entry and exit, which is completely different from formula drifting.
th-cam.com/video/ZO-18JF4T8c/w-d-xo.html
Not trying to self promote or anything but check out the run I did today. Im a bit rusty and my setup is horrible atm so my run is far from perfect. Hopefully the video will show a little bit of what i am talking about.
Also i got a time of 5:03. I hit the guard rail a couple of times and my wheel fell off mid race so it effected my time a lot. At my prime i can get the drift 86 to do a 4:50 on the downhill.
Sorry Steve ;-; I just had the impression you do like those tandem drifts coz when i first started, u told me to keep using the drift ae86 and to use semislicks if its too slippery! Thank u for the clarification about formula drift! I thought normal cars can keep drifting nonstop too.. I watched ur vid and its cool, still got it man, alot of clean drifts there :) thank you for uploading, else i wouldnt be able to see how everyone perform while giving advices !