You addressed one of my biggest fears with most skidsteers, being trapped in the cab due to whatever. Electronic failure, fire, load shifting, etc. The thought of crawling out the back window over a hot possibly burning engine compartment is scary. The JCB is a definite improvement !
It's a no brainer ,the JCB does everything the bobcat does and ten times more,we used it to lift a cow that had gone down ,we weren't on top of her the way we would have been with the Bobcat that extended boom is the game changer
I’ve put thousands of hours on one of the biggest skidsteers ever built, the 975 Clarke Bobcat. 14,000lbs wet. One thing I can tell you about them running them almost of my life is no manufacturer builds them like those 975 and 980’s were built. 35,000-40,000 hours on them and still going.
Hi, I work for jcb Tc harrisons and have tested the design and features in the yard, I can only see one problem with jcb and that it’s very sensitive but never the lest powerful and quick. There are 3 different speed modes on it to control speed with a further “rabbit mode” to go even quicker. The servicing looks easy to access ( yippee for me ) but then the engine work is quite covered up, however the cab winds up (like the teletruck) giving the best access for the hydraulic motor and valve block for changing hoses if they get worn down but over all it’s a good machine and the heater is bloody awesome on it !
I think that JCB Teleskid would be great for my landscape business. We have 2 Bobcat machines and have treated us well. But that Teleskid would really help get into tight spaces and avoid damaging any existing plants and materials(curbs, pavers, tile, etc.)
We have had our Bobcat near on 15 years and it has been the most practical and in expensive piece of kit we have owned. What we have got out of her compared to what we have put in eg maintenance ect is literally phenomenal.
Working on drilling rigs using a JCB forklift with telescopic booms did have great advantages working in heights. The huge drawback is when the boom is elevated it become a huge field of view blocker and if there isn’t any one around for directions it can become quite a deterrent.
its nice with the telescopic boom you can reach across a truck to pick up stuff unlike a normal fork lift where you have to go around to the other side.
The only difference of choosing a regular type skid is if you're doing some serious break out digging work. The traditional style would be more suited for that
We’re toying with the idea of something different from our Bobcat S570 at the moment. When it comes to unloading straw and hay bales, we are limited by the S570 in reach height and reach distance. Our telescopic wheel loader can reach across the wagon and unload from one side (but it’s always in the field doing the loading). Do you know, would the telescope be able to reach across to the far side of the wagon to pick bales?
The jcb wins hands down because of its telescopic forks x door access. BUT lord mucks just there to compare .A very non judgemental review of both mackines .
As a JCB owner, I will never own a “normal” skid steer again. For farm use, the JCB Teleskid is handy as can be compared to the regular style we had prior to it
Always thought the JCBs looked like a robot or a toy. Never took it serious. Then I tried one earlier this year. I couldnt believe how much better the view is. I was COMPLETELY shocked. Ill never buy any other machine.
Sounding like a broken record here but they guarantee the boom for life. But I am with you I would like to see one with hours on it. If you look on the internet it seems the JCB is plaqued with problems and isn't making it to high hours. That said I have not heard of any boom issues, it is all engine trouble
The thing is if you ever have to work outside with the boom and a regular skiddy you always have to have a friend that's part of why the JCB is such a game changer ! Tons of options with that machine TBH it's really in a class of it's own
That teleboom would be handy in every scenario I can think of... unfortunately we don't have any JCB dealers in our area which has always been a shame many times in the past
That was a good point on the bobcat fuel filler position. Too many operators that work on the idea of "if it starts and goes then why check it?" Idea. A good comparison, thank you.
@@LordMuck I don't know about yours but, my T650 has Selectable Joystick Controls. I don't like the standard Controls so I have a choice. BTW great video.
Enjoyed that. Thought the JCB was a bit of a gimmick but having watched the whole lot it has a lot of positives. Spent a few summers on my uncles farm driving a bobcat great machine the loader was worked using footpedals.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking time out putting it together. We just bought a new John Deere 330g and we love it we did demo many different machines. Have a great day
I have owned Bobcats for 50 years. I have operated them all. As far as I can see they are all good when they run. The newest machine I own is a 2007. I keep them maintained faithfully. I have run some new machines and hate them all. Mostly because of the so called sophisticated controls ( electric over hydraulic. According to a certain manufacturer, the wiring harnesses at the control levers fatigue and break. The cost to repair it is $350.00 ish. So, I want mechanical controls, if I lose a linkage pin it's easy to fix. Bottom line is I want to pull a lever and know it will work rather than push a button and hope it works.
I'm not a fan of the electric over hydraulic myself. I can finesse the levers exactly as I please with the older machines and the newer ones seem too quick for me. I know on the CAT machine my boss has it's hard for me to operate the arms and buckets at just the right speed.
Both share alot of components(mcr hydraulic motors for drive of tracks) made by bosch Well made stuff, I work there and they invest heavily in quality tooling fixturing...
Really good comparison! A friend has been looking at both machines and has very similar views to you. As we are getting older the ease of access of the jcb is a game changer. Slipping on the attachment on a cold wet morning is no fun and it’s taking longer for the bruises and limp to disappear!😀 there is a fair price hike on the jcb on comparable machine but long term will probably be negligible it’s just the shock to start with. If we can twist the dealers arm hard enough I think the safety of the jcb will win for my friend and me as I’m the relief driver!!! 😀😀
Remember, everything on the JCB (worklights, A/C, 3rd service, auxiliary lines, hydraulic Q-hitch, etc, etc is STANDARD. Now spec the competitors to the same level....
seems like the load carrying capacity would be greatly reduced the further you reach out. if your working with heavy materials. i could see the telescopic feature not being very useful. i would also be worried about durability if you do much digging. certainly a interesting useful design though
Close in the JCB can lift over a ton and a half, fully extended, it can still lift (and manoeuvre) with 3/4 of a ton ! I did just that and it was as steady as a rock.
That's the safe working load and I tried just under 3/4 of a ton up in the air manoeuvring on level ground left, right, back, forwards and it was incredibly stable.
Bobcats biggest weakness is their belt drive hydraulic pumps, when the belt goes the machine is dead in the water and it always happens at the worst times in the worst places. We have also found that undercarriage clearance is a major issue especially in the winter time, on the bobcat there isn't much clearance between the drive sprocket and the frame and if you run all day in muddy conditions and leave it out over night without very carefully cleaning the mud out of the tracks you won't be moving in the morning. The Deere and Cat machines have a lot more clearance in the track frame, Bobcat has improved this with their new style machines as well as improving the ride with a different suspension system.
Yes I saw that manufacturers are now offering suspension on the track frame. Freezing mud was something I had considered when washing the machines down with limited clearance on the tracks and frame.
The big problem with JCBs undercarriage is that the ones I've seen had exposed hydraulic lines going to the drive sprockets. They trust and then rocks get in there and smash them. And getting them replaced takes either half a toolbox of tools or taking the track off. Every other skidsteer I've seen has these lines inside the chassis. Plus I had to order the part and the customer had to wait to get it fixed. Another thing that's a pain is tilting the cab had to be done with arm up and locked, which isn't easy to do when there's such a leak under the cab that you have no hydraulic pressure, so you have to use a second piece of equipment to get the arm up. And there belly pan piece that comes off is so tiny, getting the mud out wastes tons of time, plus there's a lot more electrical plugs down in the mud than I've seen on most other brands. Maybe the newer ones have fixed these issues, but I haven't seen it yet. The cab hitting the the fat bucket piston when you want to tilt it is just poor engineering. Proprietary parts just push it over the edge for me.
@@LordMuck the idea of the machine is great, but it's easily the one most annoying machines to work on, and jcb can be a pain to get parts for. I just wish another company came up with that idea instead.
I've operated both machines and if I was going out with my own money to buy one I'd go for the jcb all day its just a better machine to spend time in and being telescopic is a huge advantage.
I've only drove New Holland but I was just wondering if you're parking in a shed does that door on the JCB swing out so wide they got a park in a bigger area
As a Concrete contractor and a bobcat owner for 25 years, multi machines, multi sizes, I wouldn't switch. That jcb would never stand up to the trauma of tear out or have the capability of hydraulic attachments. We don't run doors for 7 months of the year, so we can get in and out with the arms up. Each machine serves certain customers is all that I see
I own a bobcat but have looked at the jcb. JCB claims the use more steel in their boom than any of the competitors. They also give a guarantee on that boom for life. No one eles is doing that. They seem to be very confident of this boom design. I have welded countless cat and bobcat booms, they fail regularly. I have noticed JCB doesn't have a good resale value, bobcat and cat do better there. Bobcat switched from the kubota to a doosan engine as doosan bought bobcat out, so we will see if they remain as popular and reliable as they have been. Cat is way over rated in my opinion
We use our jcb for concrete work. It holds up great. It's an amazing machine for concrete work acctually. And we are rougher on that jcb that anyone could ever ever imagine. I'll never ever ever ever run a bobcat again. This jcb is absolutly amazing. Unbelieveable acctually.
JCB has some nice advantages to it. The side access which would be really nice and the zoom boom. Also compared to the kubota the heating cooling duct work in the came looks way nicer
I like the JCB Design, they have got some great ideas. Agreed -- that fuel port location is terrible though. I think when you are loading rocks and dirt into a truck, theres a good chance you could break the bobcats windshield should a rock dance along the edge of the dump truck bed and come back down on you. The JCB had some sort of rock-armor grid on the front windshield to protect against rocks. I also like being able to lift the boom to a few feet off the ground load the back of a pickup and then get out of the cab to unsecure / secure loads. Can't do that with the bobcat because the boom has to be all the way down to get out. You can Remote Control the T-650, but that's a $10,000 dollar add on accessory. Would have been nice to show the costs involved with 500/1000 hour maintenance for each machine. If you get a chance check out the Diverto from the Netherlands.
Looks a bit of a game changer the JCB. I'd like to see how well they hold up after a couple of thousand hours. If the x series excavators have had reliability and build quality issues of previous models addressed, then I hope it's a trend that continues with every JCB product. My boss took delivery of 10 new 3cx's and have been plagued with problems. I'm currently on a JZ141 that refused to start after 216hrs. Such a shame because I 've been a big fan of JCB from a young age. I really hope they sort themselves out soon....
Stick a set of tines on one, probably be the best forklift you'll ever use, it makes a huge difference being close to the tines & actually being able to see what you're doing, we had old school Ford wheeled skid steers L445, L553 & L785. 785 was unbelievable, it'd give a 3cx a run for it's money on front bucket, 553 was good but a little light on back end, we added some cast weights to both sides of chassis behind rear wheels, 445 was small & light but a bit unstable but it was good for accessing small areas or crossing foot bridges (which you probably wouldn't be allowed to do nowadays) I used 445 for 2 weeks on nights resurfacing platforms on Peterborough railway station, had to use foot bridge to get from one platform to other, given the choice I'd take the 785 as long as it wasn't too far, as transporting it was a bitch, it was bloody heavy.
Great comparison. I drive skidsteers quite a bit and I do like the JCB design but I've never got into one yet. Heard the wheeled ones have h habit of scrubbing the osr tyre. Do you think they would go any better with a straight pipe 🤣🤣
As an experienced real world construction worker .ie done a lot of machine work .spent six months trying to get a 1cx and it was the best money I spent . Let's dig 18 said Jcb means just crap British ?. Shows how much he knows about diggers .ps I've worked as a banks man for ten years before operate ting a machine . ?love the mix of your vids.
Nice comparison. I've never been in a skidsteer yet but can see the advantages of the jcb design. I watch an American channel the other day and he was talking about the expense and wear comparison between wheel and tracked loaders.
I agree totally. However, in my experience on most of the machines on the market. The servo assist controls have a nano second delay in responsiveness. Alot of my work over the years has been grading flat work where the tolerances are less the a 1/4". Fyi, both machines you used are load and carry machines not really designed for excavation, which 90 percent of my work. I only have radial lift configuration machines. Not being critical just my preference.
Very good comparison! I could really have done with one of those today shifting stone in a wet field! How comparable are they on price, much difference between the Bob and the JCB?
The end of this video was a load of SHIT!!!! well in reality it was but hay all jokes aside this little teliskid looks awesome.. i use my CT332 john deere all the time and i can see how this would be way nicer... i have been trapped in the cab by hay before its a pain in the ass... lift the boom spin around at high speed and it flies off to the side busting the hydraulic mounts and the bale in the process.... backstops are key to stopping that from happening. oh one more thing!!!! why would anyone lift 4 tons?? or run with it alll the way up on uneven ground???? BECAUSE WE CAN!!!!!lol hahahahahahah
Between myself and my son, I think we have had about 8 or maybe 9 bigger bobcats, but you really have made me think the JCB is an improvement. The big thing, would be the Price, and the dependability of the dealer. You didn't mention the Horsepower of the Bobcat, and I'd like to see more demo of the digging ability/breakout force of both. Then, another thing, would be the interrelationship with attachments such as a hammer, planer, or broom. A single boom gets a lot of stress, don't you think?
i find the jcb control levers big and cumbersome I used an older 06 ag spec 536 60 and the lever was similar but was mounted at the same level as the operator's thigh witch I actually found was very comfortable and intuitive
Bloody good video Kurt, a really good and subjective review. As someone who has only ever run bobcat machines i could see pleanty of advantages to jcb's offering particularly on a dairy farm.
Very good comprehensive review of 2 concepts executed differently in the same settings. I always wondered how a Teleskid compared and this video covered that
They kept the H.P. At 75 because that keeps them out of the emissions requirements. No DEF or DPF on these machines. This is supposed to make them cheaper to operate and more reliable. I do know that DPF machines tend to burn down
You did a lot of work to produce a excellent video and I appreciate it. Great camera angles and you mentioned lots of good points to both machines. Nice work.
What a great demo, thankyou, I drive telescopic handler in the construction industry and I much prefer the jcb models, they just seem better designed for the end user, but that's my personal opinion. I'd love to have a go in a skid steer after driving the big 20metre telehandler the skid steers look good fun.
Great comparison we use only jcb skidsteers on our farm but the teleskid isn’t the first skid steer to have side entry we’ve had three jcb skidsteers befor the teleskid came out
Great video. The Bobcat has been standard issue in the USA for donkeys year but I was most impressed with the JCB when I looked at it with Saunders at Grasslands this year.
nice video. excellent design by JCB to try a side boom & side door. i was almost expecting a biased view/review towards 1 or the other. so i liked how it was balanced between the 2 machines. people can tell when a product is trying to be pushed. infomercials are notorious for that. anyways, i bet other manufacturers are shooting themselves for not thinking up the extendable boom concept.
We've had a Robot 190 for a few years now, first looked at a JCB as we feed round bales held together by net, be a dangerous job feeding by yourself with any other skid steer they way we lay the bales down having to climb under or over the bale to unwrap it then get back in , easiest skid steer of its age to drive too 1 joystick for the loader and 1 for movment, foot throttle saves a fair bit of fuel too , easy to give her just the ideal revs at that time
ITS LIKE DESIGNING THEIR BENTLY OR RR...THE BRITS WOULD THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX....MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY MORE COMFORT / VIEW...EASY ACCESS AND DEPARTURE OF MACHINE. I SAW ONE OF THESE JCB AT FT-FARFAN IN SAN JUAN IN 2006 WHILE WE DID WORK ON A HUGE APARTMENT BUILDING NOT TOO FAR OFF.
From all the countless videos i have watch on youtube from My favorit youtubers and all the rumours i have heard about bobcat they seem to spend more time in the workshop then working
That was a great side by side comparison. With the JCB though, I'm wondering if being on one side of it might have more wear and tear with the weight in a small area? The Bobcat is wider so I'm wondering if wear is spread out? Other wise the JCB seems like the better machine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video‼️‼️👍🏻👍🏻
I like the innovative telescoping arm on the JCB but bobcats way more prevalent where I live. Don’t see many JCB around here. I play farm sim 19 and I love all the JCB equipment in the game. The fastrac is great.
20 year old design vs. brand new design.... of course one is going to be more refined. i'm not a particular fan of Bobcat, but i'd be curious to see how much JCB boom pivot point wear is at 1000 hrs. the only thing i'm not a fan of on the JCB is the fuel filler location. being as most of us have to use 5 gallon fuel cans, getting one in the JCB looks like a PITA without the boom being up. they could have easily had the access to the side and still been just fine. lastly, how easy is it to do irregular maintenance items on the JCB? battery/drive belts/alternators/starter and such? i do like the filter locations though. side entrance is nice for those of us that aren't exactly young anymore.
I was curious about the drive belt myself. I've got the T650 and have already had to change the drive belt. It was easier and a lot faster than I thought it would be.
@@sheilabenhower8170 I completely agree JCB has become my go to construction machine. They are well thought out and tough as nails! The only thing I hear in the US is part support can be slow at times.
I can see why you like the JCB so much but at the end of the day I'd be buying the bobcat. Especially as you'd be bushing up the pivots all the time with that offset boom.
I said the same thing Joe but the JCB has two tapered pivot pins to counteract that (don't forget a lot of smaller telehandlers have a swept headstock) and it's not like they are constantly knocking bushes out.
I'd have to look at how many thousands of hours before bushes were needed versus day to day operation, ease of access and versatility. But yes, I initially thought the same.
@@LordMuck Yeah it's a bit of a trade off really. I've seen teleporters where the bucket edge is worn more on one side than the other because of the offset boom. Time will tell though.
Great vid, great comparison👍 the bobcat has small screen which makes hard to see, reversing would be pain with support bar blocking view. I do like bobcat engine bay over JCB. JCB has lights at back of cab which is good n telehandler boom is make it more versatile then normal skidsteers.
Crackin video , simple and logical explanation and demonstration. Hell yes at last an English youtuber doing great videos, I love Americans (sorry but not sorry if ya dont like it) but its great to see some good content from the UK, just subscribed and going to recommend you to some friends too.
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You addressed one of my biggest fears with most skidsteers, being trapped in the cab due to whatever. Electronic failure, fire, load shifting, etc. The thought of crawling out the back window over a hot possibly burning engine compartment is scary. The JCB is a definite improvement !
JCB has side, rear AND front exit panels.
It's a no brainer ,the JCB does everything the bobcat does and ten times more,we used it to lift a cow that had gone down ,we weren't on top of her the way we would have been with the Bobcat that extended boom is the game changer
I’ve put thousands of hours on one of the biggest skidsteers ever built, the 975 Clarke Bobcat. 14,000lbs wet. One thing I can tell you about them running them almost of my life is no manufacturer builds them like those 975 and 980’s were built. 35,000-40,000 hours on them and still going.
Hi, I work for jcb Tc harrisons and have tested the design and features in the yard, I can only see one problem with jcb and that it’s very sensitive but never the lest powerful and quick. There are 3 different speed modes on it to control speed with a further “rabbit mode” to go even quicker. The servicing looks easy to access ( yippee for me ) but then the engine work is quite covered up, however the cab winds up (like the teletruck) giving the best access for the hydraulic motor and valve block for changing hoses if they get worn down but over all it’s a good machine and the heater is bloody awesome on it !
The control sensitivity parameters can be altered by the laptop program.
@@LordMuck you should be able to adjust the sensitivity of the controls on the fly on the top right hand display.
Yes you can with the 3 modes but each of these can be altered and set further by the laptop connection to give even better control.
Excellent video Lord Muck!
Thank you Nick, glad you enjoyed it !
I'm a bobcat fan boy, that being said that jcb seems to be a nice machine, I'd definitely like to see one with 3000 plus hrs on it.
I think that JCB Teleskid would be great for my landscape business. We have 2 Bobcat machines and have treated us well. But that Teleskid would really help get into tight spaces and avoid damaging any existing plants and materials(curbs, pavers, tile, etc.)
We have had our Bobcat near on 15 years and it has been the most practical and in expensive piece of kit we have owned. What we have got out of her compared to what we have put in eg maintenance ect is literally phenomenal.
Working on drilling rigs using a JCB forklift with telescopic booms did have great advantages working in heights. The huge drawback is when the boom is elevated it become a huge field of view blocker and if there isn’t any one around for directions it can become quite a deterrent.
its nice with the telescopic boom you can reach across a truck to pick up stuff unlike a normal fork lift where you have to go around to the other side.
I was going to question the torsion on the boom being offset... but it looked like it handled it flawlessly without any sort of flexing
The only difference of choosing a regular type skid is if you're doing some serious break out digging work. The traditional style would be more suited for that
So you think it justifies the cost difference though?
It's a great machine, better than the Bobcat, but over here Jcb you can't get parts for them.
We’re toying with the idea of something different from our Bobcat S570 at the moment. When it comes to unloading straw and hay bales, we are limited by the S570 in reach height and reach distance. Our telescopic wheel loader can reach across the wagon and unload from one side (but it’s always in the field doing the loading).
Do you know, would the telescope be able to reach across to the far side of the wagon to pick bales?
Yes, however get one on demo and see if it meets your needs
The jcb wins hands down because of its telescopic forks x door access. BUT lord mucks just there to compare .A very non judgemental review of both mackines .
All my experience is in Bobcats and if I had say in a new piece it would more than likely be JCB for the entry and extension....game changers for me!
How much is the JCB
Im curious why they didnt make the jcb tilt back farther to lift higher.
As a JCB owner, I will never own a “normal” skid steer again. For farm use, the JCB Teleskid is handy as can be compared to the regular style we had prior to it
Matt, could you expand on that a little and say why ?
Always thought the JCBs looked like a robot or a toy. Never took it serious. Then I tried one earlier this year. I couldnt believe how much better the view is. I was COMPLETELY shocked. Ill never buy any other machine.
I would imagine there would be significant bucket twist when digging with the JCB.
The headstock is extremely well built and has a flared web design to counteract twist.
Would be interesting to see one after a few thousand hours.
Sounding like a broken record here but they guarantee the boom for life. But I am with you I would like to see one with hours on it. If you look on the internet it seems the JCB is plaqued with problems and isn't making it to high hours. That said I have not heard of any boom issues, it is all engine trouble
The thing is if you ever have to work outside with the boom and a regular skiddy you always have to have a friend that's part of why the JCB is such a game changer ! Tons of options with that machine TBH it's really in a class of it's own
I've had two Bobcats both were good machines but I'm impressed with what JBC is doing !!!
How farms work just got a JCB for a month trial. I bet Ryan's thoughts might be like yours.
That teleboom would be handy in every scenario I can think of... unfortunately we don't have any JCB dealers in our area which has always been a shame many times in the past
the only down side i have found with one arm loaders is that when your scraping it will try to dig in more on one side and its harder on the arm
That was a good point on the bobcat fuel filler position. Too many operators that work on the idea of "if it starts and goes then why check it?" Idea. A good comparison, thank you.
It's been a long time since iv been in a bobcat do they still have the foot peddles for the arms and bucket????
Apparently on the smaller, lower spec machines yes but everyone seems to be going towards the full lever controls.
@@LordMuck I don't know about yours but, my T650 has Selectable Joystick Controls. I don't like the standard Controls so I have a choice. BTW great video.
That's right, it had a switch up on the right for selectable lever patterns.
Enjoyed that. Thought the JCB was a bit of a gimmick but having watched the whole lot it has a lot of positives.
Spent a few summers on my uncles farm driving a bobcat great machine the loader was worked using footpedals.
Excellent video. Thanks for taking time out putting it together. We just bought a new John Deere 330g and we love it we did demo many different machines. Have a great day
Can you attach a hydra rake to the JCB?
I am a JCB man so there’s no surprise that the JCB is the best
I have owned Bobcats for 50 years. I have operated them all. As far as I can see they are all good when they run.
The newest machine I own is a 2007. I keep them maintained faithfully. I have run some new machines and hate them all. Mostly because of the so called sophisticated controls ( electric over hydraulic. According to a certain manufacturer, the wiring harnesses at the control levers fatigue and break. The cost to repair it is $350.00 ish.
So, I want mechanical controls, if I lose a linkage pin it's easy to fix.
Bottom line is I want to pull a lever and know it will work rather than push a button and hope it works.
Yes Paul, the knowledge that the lever is in direct control is very reassuring ! Electronics for better or worse are a sign of modern times.
I'm not a fan of the electric over hydraulic myself. I can finesse the levers exactly as I please with the older machines and the newer ones seem too quick for me. I know on the CAT machine my boss has it's hard for me to operate the arms and buckets at just the right speed.
The hard part is figuring out which darn wire harness is bad! Those things are everywhere in these new machines
Both share alot of components(mcr hydraulic motors for drive of tracks) made by bosch Well made stuff, I work there and they invest heavily in quality tooling fixturing...
ive flipped a bobcat forward and was trapped, the escape panel wouldn't open
The JCB just seems so much more versatile. Great review.
Well done, sir. Well done.👍
Really good comparison! A friend has been looking at both machines and has very similar views to you. As we are getting older the ease of access of the jcb is a game changer. Slipping on the attachment on a cold wet morning is no fun and it’s taking longer for the bruises and limp to disappear!😀 there is a fair price hike on the jcb on comparable machine but long term will probably be negligible it’s just the shock to start with. If we can twist the dealers arm hard enough I think the safety of the jcb will win for my friend and me as I’m the relief driver!!! 😀😀
Remember, everything on the JCB (worklights, A/C, 3rd service, auxiliary lines, hydraulic Q-hitch, etc, etc is STANDARD.
Now spec the competitors to the same level....
Lord Muck yes we had still a huge difference about 4000 more for jcb on first try! We’ll be twisting they’re arm a lot harder now!!
seems like the load carrying capacity would be greatly reduced the further you reach out. if your working with heavy materials. i could see the telescopic feature not being very useful. i would also be worried about durability if you do much digging. certainly a interesting useful design though
Close in the JCB can lift over a ton and a half, fully extended, it can still lift (and manoeuvre) with 3/4 of a ton !
I did just that and it was as steady as a rock.
@@LordMuck that is a lot more weight capacity fully extended than i would have expected.
That's the safe working load and I tried just under 3/4 of a ton up in the air manoeuvring on level ground left, right, back, forwards and it was incredibly stable.
A really good video with some clear thinking based on actual usage and experience. I really appreciate the fair handed appraisal.
Bobcats biggest weakness is their belt drive hydraulic pumps, when the belt goes the machine is dead in the water and it always happens at the worst times in the worst places. We have also found that undercarriage clearance is a major issue especially in the winter time, on the bobcat there isn't much clearance between the drive sprocket and the frame and if you run all day in muddy conditions and leave it out over night without very carefully cleaning the mud out of the tracks you won't be moving in the morning. The Deere and Cat machines have a lot more clearance in the track frame, Bobcat has improved this with their new style machines as well as improving the ride with a different suspension system.
Yes I saw that manufacturers are now offering suspension on the track frame.
Freezing mud was something I had considered when washing the machines down with limited clearance on the tracks and frame.
The big problem with JCBs undercarriage is that the ones I've seen had exposed hydraulic lines going to the drive sprockets. They trust and then rocks get in there and smash them. And getting them replaced takes either half a toolbox of tools or taking the track off. Every other skidsteer I've seen has these lines inside the chassis. Plus I had to order the part and the customer had to wait to get it fixed.
Another thing that's a pain is tilting the cab had to be done with arm up and locked, which isn't easy to do when there's such a leak under the cab that you have no hydraulic pressure, so you have to use a second piece of equipment to get the arm up. And there belly pan piece that comes off is so tiny, getting the mud out wastes tons of time, plus there's a lot more electrical plugs down in the mud than I've seen on most other brands.
Maybe the newer ones have fixed these issues, but I haven't seen it yet. The cab hitting the the fat bucket piston when you want to tilt it is just poor engineering. Proprietary parts just push it over the edge for me.
Really good points Alex and I noticed similar issues.
Let's hope JCB listen.
@@LordMuck the idea of the machine is great, but it's easily the one most annoying machines to work on, and jcb can be a pain to get parts for. I just wish another company came up with that idea instead.
Thanks for pointing out those issues Alex and its only from stuff like this that machines can improve.
Much appreciated bud.
I've operated both machines and if I was going out with my own money to buy one I'd go for the jcb all day its just a better machine to spend time in and being telescopic is a huge advantage.
Nice honest review. I've serviced and used Bobcats but I like the features of the JCB.
I've only drove New Holland but I was just wondering if you're parking in a shed does that door on the JCB swing out so wide they got a park in a bigger area
No different to any other machine really. If space is that tight in a shed and it then dictates what machine you buy then something is wrong.
You're very honest thoughtful and educative man with your language delivery
I like the design of jcb’s skid steer but I like bobcat better cause they oppress more compact and good for where I am using it
Aye we have a bobcat on wheels ther a good job
Awesome comparison video. New sub here. Did you buy the JCB?
No, we were just comparing machines.
@@LordMuck we tried out a JCB like that but it didn't have the teleboom.
As a Concrete contractor and a bobcat owner for 25 years, multi machines, multi sizes, I wouldn't switch. That jcb would never stand up to the trauma of tear out or have the capability of hydraulic attachments. We don't run doors for 7 months of the year, so we can get in and out with the arms up. Each machine serves certain customers is all that I see
That's exactly right Matt, that's why folks should try these machines to see which one works best for them.
I own a bobcat but have looked at the jcb. JCB claims the use more steel in their boom than any of the competitors. They also give a guarantee on that boom for life. No one eles is doing that. They seem to be very confident of this boom design. I have welded countless cat and bobcat booms, they fail regularly. I have noticed JCB doesn't have a good resale value, bobcat and cat do better there. Bobcat switched from the kubota to a doosan engine as doosan bought bobcat out, so we will see if they remain as popular and reliable as they have been. Cat is way over rated in my opinion
We use our jcb for concrete work. It holds up great. It's an amazing machine for concrete work acctually. And we are rougher on that jcb that anyone could ever ever imagine. I'll never ever ever ever run a bobcat again. This jcb is absolutly amazing. Unbelieveable acctually.
JCB has some nice advantages to it. The side access which would be really nice and the zoom boom. Also compared to the kubota the heating cooling duct work in the came looks way nicer
Glad you've watched it Kev as you can see any advantages/disadvantages with both maxhines.
I like the JCB Design, they have got some great ideas. Agreed -- that fuel port location is terrible though. I think when you are loading rocks and dirt into a truck, theres a good chance you could break the bobcats windshield should a rock dance along the edge of the dump truck bed and come back down on you. The JCB had some sort of rock-armor grid on the front windshield to protect against rocks. I also like being able to lift the boom to a few feet off the ground load the back of a pickup and then get out of the cab to unsecure / secure loads. Can't do that with the bobcat because the boom has to be all the way down to get out. You can Remote Control the T-650, but that's a $10,000 dollar add on accessory. Would have been nice to show the costs involved with 500/1000 hour maintenance for each machine. If you get a chance check out the Diverto from the Netherlands.
Looks a bit of a game changer the JCB. I'd like to see how well they hold up after a couple of thousand hours. If the x series excavators have had reliability and build quality issues of previous models addressed, then I hope it's a trend that continues with every JCB product. My boss took delivery of 10 new 3cx's and have been plagued with problems. I'm currently on a JZ141 that refused to start after 216hrs. Such a shame because I 've been a big fan of JCB from a young age. I really hope they sort themselves out soon....
Stick a set of tines on one, probably be the best forklift you'll ever use, it makes a huge difference being close to the tines & actually being able to see what you're doing, we had old school Ford wheeled skid steers L445, L553 & L785. 785 was unbelievable, it'd give a 3cx a run for it's money on front bucket, 553 was good but a little light on back end, we added some cast weights to both sides of chassis behind rear wheels, 445 was small & light but a bit unstable but it was good for accessing small areas or crossing foot bridges (which you probably wouldn't be allowed to do nowadays) I used 445 for 2 weeks on nights resurfacing platforms on Peterborough railway station, had to use foot bridge to get from one platform to other, given the choice I'd take the 785 as long as it wasn't too far, as transporting it was a bitch, it was bloody heavy.
Great comparison. I drive skidsteers quite a bit and I do like the JCB design but I've never got into one yet. Heard the wheeled ones have h habit of scrubbing the osr tyre. Do you think they would go any better with a straight pipe 🤣🤣
Cheers, that was a fascinating comparison between two capable machines 👍
As an experienced real world construction worker .ie done a lot of machine work .spent six months trying to get a 1cx and it was the best money I spent . Let's dig 18 said Jcb means just crap British ?. Shows how much he knows about diggers .ps I've worked as a banks man for ten years before operate ting a machine . ?love the mix of your vids.
JCB skid steer for sure pretty good machine bobcat skid steers are ok
Nice comparison. I've never been in a skidsteer yet but can see the advantages of the jcb design. I watch an American channel the other day and he was talking about the expense and wear comparison between wheel and tracked loaders.
I agree totally. However, in my experience on most of the machines on the market. The servo assist controls have a nano second delay in responsiveness. Alot of my work over the years has been grading flat work where the tolerances are less the a 1/4".
Fyi, both machines you used are load and carry machines not really designed for excavation, which 90 percent of my work. I only have radial lift configuration machines.
Not being critical just my preference.
Again totally agree Paul, When we are doing site work, grading etc we use a 360 excavator.
How much is the teleskid
Very good comparison! I could really have done with one of those today shifting stone in a wet field!
How comparable are they on price, much difference between the Bob and the JCB?
When you spec them both the same (JCB comes fully loaded as standard) there's not much in it.
The end of this video was a load of SHIT!!!! well in reality it was but hay all jokes aside this little teliskid looks awesome.. i use my CT332 john deere all the time and i can see how this would be way nicer... i have been trapped in the cab by hay before its a pain in the ass... lift the boom spin around at high speed and it flies off to the side busting the hydraulic mounts and the bale in the process.... backstops are key to stopping that from happening. oh one more thing!!!! why would anyone lift 4 tons?? or run with it alll the way up on uneven ground???? BECAUSE WE CAN!!!!!lol hahahahahahah
You don't get any better Wes ! Yes it was a load of shit and old straw !
You know someone will always try and go that bit further with any machine.
I'm you guy for that lol!!!
@@LordMuck
Excellent review kurt. And well put together look forward to the next.👍
Are these small square bales, bundled to big ones? Or is it just looking like that?
Baled as a 4x4 big bale. It's like a giant conventional bale.
Lord Muck which baler did you use for this. This bales are looking amazing!
By the way you have super interesting content on your Channel! Good work!
Thanks ! Glad you enjoy it.
The Baler was an Agco Massey Ferguson (Hesston) they run a full size and a quadrant size baler.
Their all tied together into one giant bale. They transport them with chinnok helicopters.
🤣🤣🤣👍 Would save a lot of time
Thank you for this video! Really enjoyed watching it ;) greetings from the Netherlands
Thank you Tom, glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for the video. Lot of good points we just bought a new John Deere 330g and we like it very much. We have a push ramp to load hi trailers.
That's the good thing about the telescopic boom - you can load anywhere at anytime without a ramp.
Between myself and my son, I think we have had about 8 or maybe 9 bigger bobcats, but you really have made me think the JCB is an improvement. The big thing, would be the Price, and the dependability of the dealer. You didn't mention the Horsepower of the Bobcat, and I'd like to see more demo of the digging ability/breakout force of both. Then, another thing, would be
the interrelationship with attachments such as a hammer, planer, or broom. A single boom gets a lot of stress, don't you think?
I doubt it gets a lot of stress since the single bo is almost quite as thick as the traditional dual boom
i find the jcb control levers big and cumbersome I used an older 06 ag spec 536 60 and the lever was similar but was mounted at the same level as the operator's thigh witch I actually found was very comfortable and intuitive
The Bobcat levers are even bigger !
Great video .Just a quick question what if the JCB was up against a left hand wall and broke down would you be able to get out the side door?
The JCB has the side door plus FRONT and REAR emergency exits 👍
Bloody good video Kurt, a really good and subjective review.
As someone who has only ever run bobcat machines i could see pleanty of advantages to jcb's offering particularly on a dairy farm.
Very good comprehensive review of 2 concepts executed differently in the same settings. I always wondered how a Teleskid compared and this video covered that
Hah, OLF spoke of this in his video, and now it is on my recommended!
Thanks for the video.
That JCB looks cool
How compact is the JBC compared to the bobcat? Would it be able to do jobs in close quarters ?
Great comparison!
Both about the same, didn't really feel any bigger.
The visibility and safety and the ability to get out of the JCB at any time even when the arm is up just in case you have to go to the loo
Will jcb make that skidsteer in like 90 or 100 hp ? How will it fair in the scraping industry. 75 hp is to small for doing cars and vichel3s .
Alex, I have a half dozen customers here in the scrap yard and wrecker business that run 74hp JCB Teleskids and have no issues with them.
They kept the H.P. At 75 because that keeps them out of the emissions requirements. No DEF or DPF on these machines. This is supposed to make them cheaper to operate and more reliable. I do know that DPF machines tend to burn down
Alex Petroselli the engines are tuned down so try don’t have to run DEF
Great vid mate this is what your need to see when your looking for new gear , great job
You did a lot of work to produce a excellent video and I appreciate it. Great camera angles and you mentioned lots of good points to both machines. Nice work.
Thank you David, hope you're keeping well.
Great brief, your Lordship. Spot on. Thank you.
What a great demo, thankyou, I drive telescopic handler in the construction industry and I much prefer the jcb models, they just seem better designed for the end user, but that's my personal opinion. I'd love to have a go in a skid steer after driving the big 20metre telehandler the skid steers look good fun.
I'd love a skid steer for working around the cattle yards at home. They would be ideal for cleaning out the straw bedded sheds 👍😎
Hopped in a teleskid not long ago and so easy to just get in and drive - especially how you can have drive on one joystick and loader on the other.
Great comparison we use only jcb skidsteers on our farm but the teleskid isn’t the first skid steer to have side entry we’ve had three jcb skidsteers befor the teleskid came out
Which other Skidsteer had side entry ?
Volvo
Yes Peder ! They had a fixed side boom machine didn't they ?
But was it the Volvo or the JCB Robot first ?
The jcb robot was first the Volvo is a jcb the have a company agreement to put volvo stickers on them
Great video. The Bobcat has been standard issue in the USA for donkeys year but I was most impressed with the JCB when I looked at it with Saunders at Grasslands this year.
Great vid my friend Bobcat makes a fine machine but this vid and compare is clearly JCB Is the blue ribbon!!
you run them reving very high, is it required
Yes, any less than 75-100% and they slow down when turning etc.
@@LordMuck that is correct, this is also required for the emission control components to work properly, they need heat!
nice video. excellent design by JCB to try a side boom & side door. i was almost expecting a biased view/review towards 1 or the other. so i liked how it was balanced between the 2 machines. people can tell when a product is trying to be pushed. infomercials are notorious for that. anyways, i bet other manufacturers are shooting themselves for not thinking up the extendable boom concept.
Back in the early 2000's when I first learned of the old Robots, I wondered how long it would take them to come up with this machine.
I would love to hear from a mechanic that wrenches on these for a living..
Hey Ryan, I work with the dealer out of Central Califorina, CCP JCB. We cant keep these in stock!
I assemble the JCB skidsteer in Savannah
@@petercaughran8767 I was thinking of a teleskid and the.main equipment running would.be a mulcher, do you see any issues
@@stevenbrooks6669 The Hi Flo shuts off when the boom is extended. Dealer told me the use the non teleskid for mulching. They have a forestry package.
Nice comparison today, thank you!
Great review
Shopping for a skid steer atm and this helped
We've had a Robot 190 for a few years now, first looked at a JCB as we feed round bales held together by net, be a dangerous job feeding by yourself with any other skid steer they way we lay the bales down having to climb under or over the bale to unwrap it then get back in , easiest skid steer of its age to drive too 1 joystick for the loader and 1 for movment, foot throttle saves a fair bit of fuel too , easy to give her just the ideal revs at that time
Reckon a teleskid would be the ultimate skid steer only problem with our robot is lack of reach forward
Yes climbing in or out under bales is not ideal.
ITS LIKE DESIGNING THEIR BENTLY OR RR...THE BRITS WOULD THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX....MORE CUSTOMER FRIENDLY MORE COMFORT / VIEW...EASY ACCESS AND DEPARTURE OF MACHINE. I SAW ONE OF THESE JCB AT FT-FARFAN IN SAN JUAN IN 2006 WHILE WE DID WORK ON A HUGE APARTMENT BUILDING NOT TOO FAR OFF.
From all the countless videos i have watch on youtube from My favorit youtubers and all the rumours i have heard about bobcat they seem to spend more time in the workshop then working
I've been always a BOBCAT fan, but considering my fork lift experience, I wold definitely go for the JCB ...
I certainly get your point ...
That was a great side by side comparison. With the JCB though, I'm wondering if being on one side of it might have more wear and tear with the weight in a small area? The Bobcat is wider so I'm wondering if wear is spread out? Other wise the JCB seems like the better machine. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and video‼️‼️👍🏻👍🏻
I like the innovative telescoping arm on the JCB but bobcats way more prevalent where I live. Don’t see many JCB around here. I play farm sim 19 and I love all the JCB equipment in the game. The fastrac is great.
20 year old design vs. brand new design.... of course one is going to be more refined. i'm not a particular fan of Bobcat, but i'd be curious to see how much JCB boom pivot point wear is at 1000 hrs. the only thing i'm not a fan of on the JCB is the fuel filler location. being as most of us have to use 5 gallon fuel cans, getting one in the JCB looks like a PITA without the boom being up. they could have easily had the access to the side and still been just fine. lastly, how easy is it to do irregular maintenance items on the JCB? battery/drive belts/alternators/starter and such? i do like the filter locations though. side entrance is nice for those of us that aren't exactly young anymore.
All very valid points and along the same train of thought I have.
Be good to go take a look at one in a year or so with a few hours on.
I was curious about the drive belt myself. I've got the T650 and have already had to change the drive belt. It was easier and a lot faster than I thought it would be.
JCB guarantees their boom for life.
Not convinced on the tell ischemic boom. For straw and other light duties sure. Half to try for myself
That's all you can do William. Give it a try and see if it works for your application and needs.
It's a beast....rest easy William..... telehandlers have proven them selves over the years with one arm and so can skidloaders....
@@sheilabenhower8170 I completely agree JCB has become my go to construction machine. They are well thought out and tough as nails! The only thing I hear in the US is part support can be slow at times.
@@gregsmith455 JCB recently built a 25,000 sq ft dedicated parts warehouse in So Cal
I can see why you like the JCB so much but at the end of the day I'd be buying the bobcat. Especially as you'd be bushing up the pivots all the time with that offset boom.
I said the same thing Joe but the JCB has two tapered pivot pins to counteract that (don't forget a lot of smaller telehandlers have a swept headstock) and it's not like they are constantly knocking bushes out.
I'd have to look at how many thousands of hours before bushes were needed versus day to day operation, ease of access and versatility.
But yes, I initially thought the same.
@@LordMuck Yeah it's a bit of a trade off really. I've seen teleporters where the bucket edge is worn more on one side than the other because of the offset boom. Time will tell though.
Great vid, great comparison👍 the bobcat has small screen which makes hard to see, reversing would be pain with support bar blocking view. I do like bobcat engine bay over JCB. JCB has lights at back of cab which is good n telehandler boom is make it more versatile then normal skidsteers.
Enjoy your channel and thanks to That Chipper Guy for suggesting your site, Merry christmas
John is one of my favourite TH-camrs, a real gentleman.
Glad to have you along.
@@LordMuck great video Sir! Thanks to onelonelyfarmer, I found you.
Crackin video , simple and logical explanation and demonstration.
Hell yes at last an English youtuber doing great videos, I love Americans (sorry but not sorry if ya dont like it) but its great to see some good content from the UK, just subscribed and going to recommend you to some friends too.
What if it falls on its side where the door is?
You climb out of the escape hatch in the front screen....
You need to get trained in how to operate the machine correctly.
🤣😂😅
the question is, how the hell you manage that anyway
Call AAA
Love a comparison video. I think the JCB is where I'd put my money - Looks a lot more thought out overall for the operator.