JCB Teleskid or John Deere 270?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- Which one? 2019 JCB Teleskid or a 2003 John Deere 270? Obviously comparing these two isn't really fair with 16 more years of innovation being on JBS's side. So with that in mind this look into the differences between the two machines is purely on function and capability.
Special thanks to JCB & Torgersons for this opportunity to run this Teleskid.
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Went to my local JCB Dealer today to arrange a demo of the Teleskid because of your videos of the machine. The room in the cab and cad access is second to none. My brother who is quite large (6'8" 350lbs) can actually get in and out of the cab, which he cannot fit in any other Skidsteer he tried.
That's more like mammoth, way way past large haha
6,8 350lbs is more than “quite large” 😂😂😂
The telescoping arm is one of those things you didn't know you needed but once you have it you never want to give it up
👌🏼👌🏼
I bet I have the room in our haybarn but just don't have the lift I can only stack 4 bales high and the 4 th bale is eased up there barely but I lift heavy items so I just don't know how it would measure to that my Kubota track machine is always loaded heavy on hills and uneven ground it gets off balance from time to time if you know what your doing you can just keep going and ease it back down without ever checking up
Nailed it
I noticed the same
They dont offer the telescoping arm here in Australia as yet so our machine does not have it but would be a great asset i think
JCB are good because they’ve had years of experience in the telehandeler industry which a lot of the designs are transferable
I love my Welker farm videos and my coffee in the morning, thanks to all your family effort
👍 Gregory
As an employee of JCB in the UK it’s great to hear such positive feedback about Teleskid. I’ve only recently discovered your channel after being a fan of How Farms Work for a while and set Ryan up with the demo Teleskid machine and I’m now loving your videos too. Especially the really big machines your run. Such a contrast to UK farming.
Do you hear complains about the blocking sight? Is a mirror required in UK?
Gerrit Stok Hi Gerrit. I have heard it mentioned a few times and it’s been fed back to the product teams for investigation. The other improvement would be to add a grill to the right side window to allow easier communication with anyone working alongside the machine. Obviously can’t be a window to avoid getting arms trapped by the boom.
I've been a huge fan of JCB products. That boom looks the same as the one they use on the Teletruck.
I currently drive a JCB 540-170 and love it.
then you've never had to fix it there junk and the idiots at JCB dont even know half the machiness and parts that go on it
The jcb backhoe I ran was a gutless turd compared to cat &case
Paid for equipment is tough to beat. I think you made a great review and the correct business decision... Tough as it was.
It's an easy fix, regarding visibility- just mount LCD on that boom, and camera on other side of it. It should work perfectly!
just commented above on this thought :)
Lol
Lol
I'm guessing with the proliferation of 360* cameras on automobiles, your exact remedy will soon be a "standard" on these machines.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Surprised JCB missed this. For me it would be a safety issue.
I do love how you mentioned some of the things that you need to think about when running the JCB, could be considered drawbacks, or just unavoidable consequences of going with that design!! its very helpful to know in advance what your gonna need to think about
When I was shopping for a skid loader, I was focused on Bobcat, back in my day. I tried the 743, but it really felt lacking and I didn't like that it was all it could do to load a 15 yd. dump truck. I then tried the 7753 and it was night and day for me. High lift arms made side-loading the large trucks a lot easier and it had a wider stance. I had a 72" bucket with removable tooth bar, forks and a landscaper attachment. That there was an amazing implement! This was back in the early 90s and I bought the 7753, used, with 1400 hours on it and immediately put new tires on it and then had them solid rubber filled. At $100 per tire, that was a major money saver when working around thorny trees or demolition duty on jobsites. I would get my job done and come away from the site with my tires looking like a porcupine - but obviously NO flats! It's no fun having a flat and paying for a service truck and the down time. Rubber-filled was definitely the way to go for me.
We have a 743 kitty here that we use fairly regularly.. it's a clapped out pile of crap now but it's still working!!!
i have a 2011 bobcat s160. its simple but a workhorse. you see bobcat about 10 to 1 over other brands on construction sites around here.
Great to see one of the UK's finest companies represented all the way over there in Montana. Shame you didn't keep it, but I too have bills to pay. Luckily they are a heck of a lot smaller than yours!
Here in the UK we do make some good stuff
That left armrest has two positions for the little gas strut. Yours is in the shorter one. If you change it, the arm will swing up until the joystick his the back window. 4 Phillips screws and a 13mm open-end wrench will do it.
I like this guy's style. Honest, straightforward, informative. Very, very well done.
Before you buy something, you owe it to yourself to demo a tracked machine..... I love tracks. Now, I'm not saying tracks are for you, but I'd definitely check it out, before I dropped that kinda cash....
Great video though. Very fair analysis...
Great reminder for everyone, too, in all situations... If you are on foot, in an area where machines are running around, keep your head on a swivel, and stay alert.... Expect the unexpected. The operator, is going to be thinking real hard about their load, and where they are going... It's just human nature... Sure, they are supposed to be watching, but hey... Don't be wandering that area on foot looking at your phone... Pay attention....
Patrick Morrissey True I would rather have a tracked machine any day!
Great video, I always look forward to Wednesday and Saturday for videos. Nice fair comparison of the two machines. Good job on firing Leg Arms! Can't believe you're already over 220k subs, maybe 300k for Christmas! God Bless!
Just picked up a Kubota SVL90-2 on tracks after my Bobcat 873 on tires wasn’t getting things done around the farm in the mud during spring and fall land improvements.
Doesn't sound like too bad of a machine.😉
I've ran a Deere, Bobcat and a tracked Cat, and the Deere is noticeably louder than the Bobcats. The Bobcat A300 I ran was two seed, but it could switch steering modes. It could skid steer or four wheel steer which kept you from tearing up lawns or scuffing up fancy concrete sidewalks. Of the three the Bobcat was so much nicer and while the Cat was solid, it was a single speed and slower than any of the others even if they were in slow speed.
The thing that makes them so pricey is they can replace a dozen or more dedicated machines for small jobs. They pretty much make an attachment to do nearly anything. The company building our new shop used a big tracked Bobcat with a road grader attachment and graded the gravel inside the building's foundation after the steel supports and roof had gone up. That zero turn radius just makes them so much better in confined spaces.
That JCB is a real leap in engineering and design! Thanks.
They should pivot the left joystick console with the door.
You would have way more room to get in,and less parts to move to go in and out.
It's drive by wire,so it's relatively easy to do.
That's a nice JCB, tractor. I can understand there are way more priorities before buying this. Keep up the great videos Nick.
I didn't see one jcb tractor in this entire video, am I missing something? I saw a well built Deere skid steer and a jcb teleskid.
that is a very fair point, you always need to have your priorities straight with purchasing on a farm, and not being able to get everything you want is part of adulting, and yes, it does suck
@@Alejandro-vb2fx Really?? You wasted your time with that? OK then a JCB Machine, sorry I didnt give it the technical name of teleskid. GOODNESS! No wonder there are so many slip and fall lawyers, to handle people like you.
We have a 260t I use for feeding cow large round bales and for snow clearing, I used to be a bobcat fan but after using the jcb I’ve switched all the way to jcb I love that machine.
A lot of positive remarks from folks that have purchased the JCB, good machines but like you said these type of machines are very expensive $$$$$
I was gonna say for that style of Cab I wanna say Volvo started using those as well I think a little while back, you might be able to find some of those maybe cheaper used, but I don't think there's anything else with the extendable boom
We are running a Bobcat T880, and we love it we had to get it in a hurry because we were cleaning up from a storm, and we bought it and had it working in 3 days. We love it. I love the vids keep it up
Hey Leg Arms, if you are tired of getting fierd you can come to our farm here in Sweden and work for us insted!
Don't temped him! Otherwise we'll have to start paying him😁
@@RobertWelkerFarmerBob We seem to get a high yield this year so we can pay him a lot, we are jus't looking fore a good welder😁😁😁
Can you write me if you want worker in farm ? alcatelsasa@gmail.com
Hey im from finland
Isä rikko startin jontikasta valtra power!
I’ve ran a bobcat s770 i love the iso controls on it and love how the drive and steering is with my left hand and everything else is with my right it makes a difference as an operator when you have to be technical with your machine wish I had the chance to operate a jcb it wouldn’t be nice for snow plowing
The only problem with the JCB (and i know this for a fact, having seen ours nearly tip over a few weeks ago) is that despite their best efforts (there's some really clever engineering in that unit) it's skewed towards the arm side, in terms of weight or better said, balance. Makes our operator a bit nervous "walking" edges or moving stuff on inclined terrain.
We're prolly going to add a few weights on the other side.
Buy him some tacos.. operator is the counter weight
Would love to have a skid steer, but we just don't have enough use for one. We have a 5085E with pallet forks we use to pick up pallets. Every couple weeks we bring in a ton of cattle feed and have no problem picking it up. It is a two person job though, because the visibility is not very good on the loader. The only piece of construction equipment on our farm is a John Deere 17G excavator. We use it for digging trenches, ditches, leveling ground, putting in culverts. Man it is a great machine.
The side door is amazing. I hate crawling into the cab from the loader. It's annoying if you're doing anything other than plain excavating like land scaping .
We run a 326D Deere. It has been a very good machine for us. The worst problem we have had is the front quick tach plate was too light and bent which also took the electric actuator out too. $3000 later it was fixed.
We've got a John Deere 328d that is awesome I have no complaints other that when it is in the field picking up large square bales the air conditioning tends to make it overheat
Robert, thanks for the reply. I don't use Discord at the present time, but I did find an answer to my issue over on the Steam/Farm Sim 19 forum.
we have had a kubota svl 75 for 4 years it has about 2000 hours on it. no complaints or promblems with it.
I like the the Kubotas still use full hydraulic controls. I've never used a machine with fly by wire hydraulic controls, but nearly everyone I talk to who has mentions that it takes a long time to get used to it and is never as precise.
it might not be as precise but kubota will last longer than most machines and is more practical when being worked on.
RIP Teleskid! Loved seeing it. Its almost like when the 2588s went it felt like something that was part of the farm was lost
2019 JCB has my vote, with regards to visibility out the right hand side, in reality you should not be driving around with the forks/bucket up in the air it needs to be like an inch or two off the ground then the boom won't be blocking the right hand side vision. At the start it seemed to me your lip movement to your words seems off? This video came up while I was playing Welker Farms map on FS19 :)
You're right Nick, all about priorities. Hoping grain bins and a giant cold storage building is your next thing to get done. Be nice to see some of those nice machines sit out of the elements.
Love my ASV RC-50 but when it's time to upgrade the teleskid will be top of the list.
This is the most indepth and unbiased comparisson I have ever seen. Thank you.
Great review. I learned a lot. THANKS!
Running a CAT 272D love it
Controls very smooth!
“Once you go CAT you NEVER go back”
Cheers from BC Canada 🇨🇦
BTW watch every video of yours ,
Always look forward to next releases :)
Mount a small screen on the right A-pillar and camera on the roof facing the same angle. That way you can see to the right even with the boom raised.
Great video, good idea on putting a poll up to get different opinions..
Teleskid has so much more operator comfort visability and reach capacity.. I'm a lifetime John Deere Guy and JD Skid steer is worth more than you paid for it.
I would keep both..
I've never worked one of these, but it sure looks impressive. Like that you show the pluses and minuses of both, better than those new car comparing shows. Like to that you also admit to any mistakes you made working on these. Keep it real.
Nice video and i play the welker farms map on fs 19 on the Xbox one
gaming nub me to
I'm not sure why but I play on xbox and when I go to the modhub the Map isnt there yet for me
Superliner 101 update ur game man or else ur fs is broken idk I don’t play fs I haven’t played since 15 cause I’m 17 and I work on are farm but I know a few tips and tricks
@@eoinreilly083 thanks ill try that
Superliner 101 no problem little man
Another one worth looking at all though not a skid steer is the jcb teletruck tlt range.
The TLT30D 4x4 is a compact little unit. Although more industrial biased rather than construction/agricultural its surprising how far the little bugger goes off road.
Gehl rt175 is so helpful, we do a lot of hay and have a lot of cattle, it’s good for about everything thing we do
I used to own a JCB backhoe, it was an excellent machine.
When I bought a skiddy, it came down to local dealer support which was Deere or Bobcat, with Case a little further. Lots of used JD's and Bobcats in the area. When I found out the oil could only be checked by leaving the boom up on the 324 I was looking at...I thought...who ever checks the oil on these things? Its hard, dangerous, and takes a lot of time? I've learned with maintenance, humans share the trait of not doing hard things that they don't "have to" right now....so I wonder how often the oil gets changed on the average deere skid steer, especially if its ran by "the help" instead of the owner?
So, I opted for a Bobcat S220. I've put over 500 hrs on it in the last 6 years and absolutely could not be happier. I do like the side entry on the JCB, but other than that, I've found excellent support out of my local dealer with FANTASTIC PRICES on parts. Frankly, I expected the parts to be INSANELY EXPENSIVE like Deere...nope. Very reasonable.
The only problems I've got at almost 2600hrs are the blower in the cab quit a few months back and I've got a bad seal on the left bucket cylinder, and various tire problems (not the machines fault). Thanks to the great local dealer I'll most likely trade for a newer bobcat when I get closer to retirement.
This year alone the bobcat dug a bunch more post holes around the homestead/warehouse, 12-24 & 36" holes. A bunch of support work on a new septic system on one of our rentals (3rd year in a row for a new spetic system backfilling and grading), it placed a couple hundred more tons of driveway stone and did the heavy lifting and digging for a new 21' bridge we built back in the woods and moves customer goods from semi's to warehouse and then out to delivery. Love this machine....don't know how I could do without it at this point.
Cheap reversing camera set might help that blind spot if you needed?
Yeah the same type of wide angle wireless camera you'd put on the end of a combine or grain cart auger and just mount it to the side of the boom. Thats a pretty awesome idea.
I ran a Bobcat for a few years and I must say that side entry of the JCB rules as I've had too many slips getting in and out of the Bobcat with snow covered booms and buckets. The telescoping boom would be a bonus!
If I owned the JCB Teleskid i would install a camera on the boom for visibility.
Yeah on ours we have have a camera mounted on the back of the boom and a screen inside but our camera swivels so it points in pretty much the same spot at all times. It just makes everything safer and easier
Fly by wire is just something you have to get used too. We have a 310J and we sold an old 555D and got a 14CX super and it had fly by wire and the problem is you can’t feel the hydros so sometimes in situations it’s hard to tell what’s going on and it’s really sensitive in a bad way and it can get out of control pretty quick. But the joystick control is pretty comfortable and nifty. That teleskid is a super cool machine
Comparing these two units is like comparing apples to hand grenades. The only bad thing about the JCB is that it cost an arm and a leg.
Or it cost some leg arms
That is a cool machine. A teleskid will be first on my list when I look at getting one. Thanks to JCB & Torgersons.
I own a CAT 252B2 skid, heat and A/C, turbo, 2 spd. NICE ride.
I have an old JCB 535 farm special telehandler, not as compact as the new tele skid steer, doesn't turn on a button, but shortest wheelbase on a full size telehandler available, pick up hitch and auxiliaries. No where near as fancy as the new fly by wire machines, but your comment regarding the old skid steer having direct link between handle and hydraulic valve resonates. You do get better "feel" of how the hydraulics behave. Great channel, informative and factual, no fluffy stuff 👍
Checked prices, he wasent kidding when he said it was a expensive machine
Ya like only 60-90k
Not a horrible price compared to most skidsteers now days.
You can almost buy a real telehandler for 90k
boer brabant and a big skidsteer will be 90000 to 115000
We have a bobcat S175. I believe that we bought it brand new in 2004 or 2005. I would for sure go with tracks instead of wheels
I see you can't put over the tire tracks on the JCB either. I like the OtTT, best of both worlds.
We’ve got a Bobcat T650. Killer machine! We’re a Deere farm, and demoed a Deere skid loader first, then a Bobcat.
A small monitor with side mounted camera that comes on automatically when the boom is obstructing the view would solve that problem.
I agree when it comes down to Finessin and the Machine being responsive nothing beats the old ones
Do not fire your brother and dad because work needs to get done and you are fulltime filmcrew😉 PS are you still gonna test livestream before harvest?
He already mentioned the ladies are to drive the combines!!
He probably will.
When that JCB goes back, we shall miss it, loved watching it work
We will too 😢
The Teleskid is amazing.
Back when I was a heavy equipment operator for 8 years we had a ct322 Deere for topsoiling townhouses that thing was tough made easy work of a pile from a tri axle dump
Sounds like a build vid coming for the deere? Make that old machine mint.
I love the side door but a question I have is... I have an center lift Bobcat and I dig a lot of rocks out of fields. I will lift so hard back tires come off ground then I will rock it up and down, I cant imagine that side mast on JCB being able to withstand that abuse like a center lift. Thanks for the review!
I wudn't be brave enough to fire Leg-Arms. His arms wud have an intimidating effect on me...😂
wouldn't and would've buddy
@@jorgehim7409 Right. But it's not like I wud/would be writing a formal letter here...;)
He would have put you in a mud hole lol
We have a 2011 John Deere 323D skid steer. It’s a track machine with foot controls. Yesterday I was driving it down the road and was turning into the driveway and heard a pop and lost steering on the left side. Next thing I know theres hydraulic oil all over the highway and then the tracks locked up. Got halfway off the highway. Luckily we have a D6 dozer and we used it to pull it off the highway. It was a mess.
Jcb man. So much easier to see escpecialy when your using an auger to punch post holes all day
I run a bobcat 770 skid steer with tracks ,It it used in construction and landscaping . I have operated many different brands and models and to me the 770 is by far the best so far. The thing is a beast. I guess if it had a telescoping boom that would be even better because you never know when you have to get up high. Enjoyed the video as always keep them coming.
There are issues with the jcb/ Volvo 1 arm skids with eating arm bushings and pins as the 1 boom isn’t as stable and walks its self out
Huge disadvantage
They are awesome but pricey machines. $65k for the wheeled and another $5-8k for the tracked version. Definitely worth it is you have a landscape business, or construction, etc they work well in those environments where the bigger units cant reach and they earn their keep for sure. Im sure you'll come across a good deal for one down the road in a few years. thanks for the review of the unit, you all have been putting it to work on the farm and im sure the dealer and JCB are glad you did. Now back to your map on FS19!
Love your videos and love your map on farming simulator 19
A great review, and your decision well founded. I have owned Bobcat and a DEERE skidsteer and both served us very well. My only experience with JCB is an early 70's backhoe. We found the JCB to be terrible for getting parts for and it was some kind of metric that was odd for any fit. Our CASE 580 a much better hoe. But having a local JCB dealer would make a JCB a good choice. BUT, all too expensive, the old DEERE still does the job. Oh, we mounted backup and side cameras in our DEERE for safety, we were a school district and wanted to see everything around us. Surprised the JCB didn't have cameras from the factory.
Not to be apart of the H&S brigade :P But... do be careful walking under those Skid steer booms, there was a sad case in Scotland not too long ago, of a Recycling worker crushed to death when the hydraulics failed and the bucket and boom hit him, 38 years old with two kids and a wife #safetyfirst
So sad 😔 that is tragic!
That’s why modern machines have a boom strut to catch the boom if something happens with the hydraulics the boom strut will prevent the boom from the crushing the operator. If the boom strut if damaged it can be replaced your life can’t. #safetyfirst
i like how you tell us the reality of what you can buy..people think farmers have a endless supply of money but thats not the case..prioritys always come first..
The videos are fire man keep up the good work
We are currently running a 2018 Bobcat S650 with foot controls. We absolutely love this machine except one thing, the door to get in and out. You either have to have the bucket all the way down or at least above the cab to be able to open the door.
We just run John John Deere tractors that's all we're on we only use a bale spear
*Hello Welker Farm* In my country it's harvest I was searching for a harvest video on your channel. You have beautyfull and hudge dream farm. We are so tiny comparate as you. Nice stuff!
*Greetings from french farmers in France -Europe*
Nick… I’m running the front entry double arm chair with the rollabout Ottoman… Just so you know…
We have one of the best skid steer brands out there and that’s a bobcat. It’s aT595, great unit around the farm, and it’s really fun to use
Hi I’ve been playing walker farms map sense it came out
I spent 49 hr stright
@@ryanjohnson4558 Wow 49 hrs. That must be fun. Almost persuade me to take a look. In winter perhaps.
@@ryanjohnson4558 No life, no job, no girl and probably living at your mom's still. I'd never spend that much time on a game, but then again I'm always in the field 👀
As a Brit, I would love a JCB teleskid, But I have been a Mustang 2044&44 pilot for twenty years, Its got American muscle and never let me down.
Great video and teleskid for the win 100%
I wasn't so sure about those JCB teleskid until how Farms work got one and now I'm convinced. we have a bobcat S300 it's super powerful AC and heat work great everything works but the only negative side to that just like your John Deere you have to climb out rate above the Boom and that un safe
Have you thought about trying a newer bobcat? The specs are very similar to the teleskid.
Layton Anderson, they are not very reliable. I would get an older bobcat skid loader.
@@auston_grisham7840 I've had mine for over 3 years and have had 0 problems what so ever so maybe I'm just lucky or they are reliable after all.
@@laytonanderson8224 Or you use it for light work or once a week lol
Richard Tickle we own 2400 head of cows😂
@@laytonanderson8224 Do you? I'm sure you do bud and I own a 80,000 acre farm lol
Just got my first skid steer last year. It was a John Deere 125. With a continental 4 cylinder gas engine. Works great. Love it. Can use one hand to run and drive it.
Do you remember John Deere and we used bucket more than we do the Bale spear
Another fantastic vid nick. I totally believe what you said about the two skids and their pros and cons because I think you’re an incredibly honest and loyal person, an example of which is you’re long term relationship with you’re local equipment dealer whose name I won’t attempt to pronounce so as not to offend, and helping out neighbors when they need it, or just inspiring and teaching people about what our farmers really do,Bottom line is we need people like you and you’re family who set a fine example for people to follow, to treat others with respect and kindness. And loyalty. Sorry for the sappy ness but I just had to say what was on my mind. 🤘🇺🇸👊
We are humbled with the attention we're receiving. Thanks for the kudos 👍
JCB might want to put a proximity sensor on telescoping arm.
300k subs and my first time seeing your channel?! Subed! Great vlog
How Farms works wants to race their demo teleskid tracked unit against your demo wheeled model lol smh ROTF lmao
Thanx from the left coast near the Krapitol of California
Good
I’ve never had the chance to run a JCB one arm bandit, but they seem very well thought out. I’ve sat in a couple at farm shows and that’s about it lol. That telescoping boom looks like it would The the cats pajamas for a lot of projects. The old Deere 320 skidloader does everything we need so we’ll stick with it for a while.
always drive with load or no load, with the boom DOWN for maximum vicibilety. i can't understand farmers that drive tractors with the front loader hig in the air. its dumb
Because farms aren't nice and flat like warehouses or paved yards. The first time you slap the forks down into the ground or grab a forgotten about post stump you'll understand.
One good thing about a front entry door machine is technically you are not supposed to be out of the machine with the Boom in the air in case someone tries to walk under it so it's almost safer in that way as long as the operator stays in plus skid steers are built to be used in tight spaces so like you said the door swings out on that teleskid making tight spaces hard work
That might be the case for some situations and for them there are many skidsteers to choose from. But for most the side door is awesome.
See if they'll lend you guys a Fastrac.
Use to run a Skid Steer for a living bailing cardboard and any other jobs from grading the parking lots to moving dumpsters clearing brush trees even finished tearing down a house after the fire dept burnt it down for practice. The first one was a Catipiller 242 and the second one was a Catipiller 252B got them both new with zero hours only a few tenths of hours on them. The 242 was a good one and they got the 252 for me after 3 1/2 years cause I put 7700 hours on it. The step up to the 252B was nice. That thing was a beast compared to the 242. The Tela Steer that Machine looks nice and van see how useful it could be. It would have been nice to have one of those back then. Theres so much that you can do with them and can and would save a lot of work and getting in and out