So another tip about the slowing down. Don’t be afraid to talk to the table about whether or not a spell/ability should resolve. Communication is definitely important in the game. Being newer to it, mistakes will definitely be made, and that’s all part of the learning process. As for Slicer as a deck, he’s not meant to be a reactive list from my knowledge. More turboing him out to start getting the damage happening
CEDH sounds really cool, and i think it would be awesome to hear more about your ventures into the format as you learn more, especially coming from the perspective of someone who has a really effective way of explain MtG concepts, it could really open some eyes and I'd love to learn that way
Some tips i have from playing normal constructed - dont be afraid to let triggers/abilities resolve. You usually want to let your opponent make all their decisions before you reveal information (during the draw step, have sylvan librarys trigger resolve and then kill it. If they put cards back on top expecting to go 3 deep again, it could be in a poor order and they did so thinking they would still have it) - speak out the phases you're in. Allows you to better understand what phase your in and get your and your opponents triggers off in a smooth manner (call upkeep for your bobs, draw steps for your sylvan library, main phase to tick up your fable of the mirror breaker etc). - resource does matter. Dont be afraid to pay the life for phyrexian mana, to pay for necropotence, exile your own graveyard to pay the delve spells you have now, etc.
I disagree with the first part, if you’re attempting to reduce enemy resources and have intent to blow a sylvan library up do it in previous end step - there are so many things that just can’t resolve or you won’t have a point of interaction
I think I have a hard time determining what things to let go and what things I need to hold and think about, but then that gives a lot of information away. Perhaps thinking about my plays on a previous end step helps so that players can't guess what I have in hand exactly.
@@tibx2617 this, you're effectively letting them scry, and realistically they're going to be putting it back roughly same order or better....which, at best for you is the same as random except now they know
Cedh is about knowing what each deck is trying to do so you know how to handle it while still trying to win with your opponents knowing what you’re trying to do.
Not only are Mulligans important - so is mana, life, cards, the stack,😊 everything in cEDH is a factor in who wins . Im glad there are both cEDH and casual, too, so i can play my Dalek deck.
I've been gold fishing an Atraxa Praetor's Voice deck I put together recently and am realizing the COLORs that are available to me are so important for the deck! So much to learn from this format!
I'm trying to go into Duel Commander recently and i'm kind of having the same feeling that you describe about cEDH. Mulligans are extremely important, especially if you know what your matchup is, but you also need to know your deck, its weaknesses and strengths. You will encounter some cards in almost everydeck that runs the colors so it's good to play accordingly : if you see two blue untapped mana, get ready for a counterspell. If you're playing against red, i hope you have some basics or else bloodmoon is going to ruin your game, etc. And finally, you need to know what the other deck is doing. If you know what their goal is, you'll know what to counter, what to remove, how to go against them and how you can squeeze in
Something I've learned with cedh is use your tutors correctly. Use a first turn tutor on someone's end of turn right before your second turn to avoid as much interaction as possible. As well as analyze the board state and getting the piece you might need at that time. There's plenty of times where I've seen someone has an enchantment or something in play that's hindering a player's game plan and they don't have an answer because they tutored up a combo piece instead. Don't make that same mistake.
Hundred and 10 percent agree wirh the mulligan, it’s all about finding those pieces that help you go off early on or having interaction at the ready to stop someone else from potentially popping off early on
I like your point about treating assessment and knowing the other decks. My suggestion is to watch channels like Playing with Power and Play to Win to see all sorts of decks in action so you know what pieces to look out for
Hi! Im beginning my journey myself from very casual (very slow deck builds) to cedh (not sucking)😂 thetes so much im excited to learn so thanks for sharing
All great insights, it takes a lot to be introspective and learn from your games/mistakes. I am interested in cEDH because sometimes I want to get more games in or there's only time for one game. As a result I have a cEDH deck but no one to play it with 🙃. My playgroup is very casual which is fine, but it can be frustrating when people are just talking and not taking their turn or not paying attention so they have to ask what happened, etc. Maybe I can find some cEDH people to Spelltable with... -Jack
I dunno if I have a lot of cEDH players in my Discord yet, but you're welcome to join to try to get some SpellTable games in with us. I'd like to practice more with the cEDH format!
The cool thing about cEDH people is they are generally more chill. I have this text where I go over (or near) a game of Commander and I just casuall slip: "Commander is a format played by people who are either too stupid or too poor to play other formats" Reaction from casuals is usually pretty hostile, even if I werent talking to them directly, but the reaction from cEDH folk is usually amazing. They'll usually respond with something quippy like "Yeah, children's cardgames for retarded people" or "Ain't that the truth, if I hadn't bough this Volcanic I could probably eat this month" :D It's a good gauge phrase. Say it anywhere near a commander table and instantly know what kind of atmosphere you are in :)
Hey, glad youre trying out cEDH. Youll learn the slow down, priority, pace, etc. With slicer, mulligan aggressively for a turn 1 Slicer. Youre the pressure that the "meta decks" get messed up by. If you dont get started, its even harder to carch up. Check out Play to Win, Moderately anonymous mtg, mental misplay, and khalua lua for good personality, lessons, and potential collabs
As a cEDH player a thought I often hear from casual players is they think that cEDH is all about winning as fast as possible, while for some decks this may be true, it's often not the case. The real thing with cEDH is about optimizing your deck and your plays/mulligans to give yourself the best chance of winning against the other players in the pod, not necessarily going for the fastest win.
as someone who is only just now hearing about cedh being a thing, considering last time i played was just with friends about 6 years ago, honestly all i ever hear about cedh is combo. So it's very easy to get the interpretation that it's a combo oriented format that wants to win asap. And hearing about it so much has really made me dislike the format cause i like longer games
Combos are things to keep in mind and are prevalent, but it's kinda like everyone is doing their best to stop opposing combos and you're trying to get yours in. Sometimes it gets to a point where people burn through their resources and becomes a game of attrition.
That's exactly it, there are multiple strategies in cedh, and some of those strategies involve forcing the match into a war of attrition, so they can capitalize on it. that being said, a lot of decks do have lightning fast combos and your deck needs to have something to be able to interact with those combos. My core belief is that true cedh is more about interaction than speed. And interaction doesn't necessarily mean counterspells, it could mean stax pieces or well timed removal.@@keepingitcasualmtg
Oh is that so? I would think that it would depend on the spell? I played another game recently and was wondering if I should have dealt with a Smothering Tithe or held onto my Chaos Warp for a more game ending play.
@@keepingitcasualmtg that's a general rule of thumb, especially if you don't know what a card does or what it's for smothering tithe is probably fine to leave on the table, but know that card draw and fast mana are two of the key tenets of cedh and tithe gives you one when an opponent does the other from memory of a few years ago cedh, tithe is mostly played in Stax and more controlling decks so I would consider removing it with something that isn't chaos warp, if only because chaos warp will probably just give that opponent another Stax piece control decks are weakest when their opponents can dig deep for answers so in that board state, was there a rule of law effect? if so, tithe doesn't really do much since if you can only cast one spell per turn you can probably pay for the tithe also, if someone is ending the game, a mono-white deck can't offer a lot of instant speed interaction even with infinite mana (mostly just silence tbh), and tutors get around the tithe if you're mono-r, tithe affects you a LOT less, since you rely on impulse draw or combat damage (or gamble) so don't use an interaction piece to remove something that barely affects you but is a huge shackle to someone else all that said though if someone casts a card you don't understand, ask the table what it does, cedh is not fun if you win by hiding what your deck does or what your wincon is, generally people will tell you something like "it's an advantage piece" or "it's one piece of a 2 card infinite" for ex if you see clown car in Magda, it looks weird AF until you realize it's a 0 mana vehicle which means it's a free way to tap all your dorfs
Definitely not the case - Pwp videos use to have game length and even 2-3 turn games go for a long time, same with mine and I play to win on t2 as K’rrik and came second at a local tournament
I think Black Lotus should be legal for cEDH. I play vintage and it's not as broken of a card in practice as it is in theory, especially with 99 other cards to go through, the fact it's automatically restricted, and the extra life points. I feel the same way about The Moxen. It's only banned for being expensive. There are other unreasonably expensive cards that are legal like promos and varients. A card being expensive shouldn't automatically make it banned. Mine is one my brother pulled from an Alpha pack back in 93 at our local comic shop. It cost him $3!
@@keepingitcasualmtg I disagree. Edh and Cedh are actually entirely different games when you get down to it. Edh is for hanging with your friends, having a few beers, and a few laughs. Cedh is for winning at all costs regardless of if anyone else has fun. I think because of this they should be considered 2 separate formats with separate ban lists. Like Legacy vs Vintage.
Black Lotus isn't just banned for being expensive; it's also extremely explosive and it creates an oftne insurmountable advantage when it is in someone's opening hand. (Jeweled Lotus often has the same effect, and you've probably seen it happen!) Mana Crypt is probably the closest card to it that is actually legal, and having one in your opener makes a huge difference - and that's 2 colorless. 3 colored mana is a lot.
oh im so happy to hear somebody is going for cEDH, for me, its the most fun MtG can give u, so many cards u can play, with 3 enemies, so many interactions, etc, ect.. i just love it so much that i only play cedh and limited rn. Also pretty funny to see tited of the video "learning cedh" on casual channel :dd heres some tips from this noobie random Prague guy, first of all 1 - watch all the good cEDH channels with gameplays, seeing and the good meta decks, all the plays and way to react or just mulligen (which is fuucking hard part of cedh and srsly very important) is just so good thing to leart throught videos. i'd recomment @PlayToWin (my fav 💖), so much fun to watch, some bffs just killing each other all the time with the best energy between each other there is, also nice commentary @PlayingWithPowerMTG very nice commented, not so much of thought process convs, which is kinda bummer, but also better for newer players, so they can understand whats going on. @CedhTv some Scandinavien smart guys that are kidna cringy and insanly good at the game and they make so cool plays that its just breathtaking sometimes, also they change the decks like every video and are very good at pilotinh them! 2 - go for cedh deck database and just browse throught some decklists of the meta decks, read some primers to the deck, it rly helped me to deeply understand how the format works and how it is not only about the best infinite combo and only that. And altho we re playing for the win, it totally doesnt meet its not for fun, it can totally be fun as fuck mate, believe me! Those tricky lines i sometimes see my friends or even myself do, i cant even believe its real :dd last of all, just enjoy the game, and be good 💖 gl&hf
Thank you so much this is all really helpful. Play To Win are very enjoyable to watch. I've seen some of their stuff. CedhTV is one I haven't heard of I'll have to check them out and I'll have to watch more of Playing with Power!
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Cedh is neat because it's just commander but everyone is paying more attention.
and everyone has the same mindset on winning no matter the cost. less opportunity to lie about any deck power levels xD
These describe it pretty perfectly. It's efficient EDH.
So another tip about the slowing down. Don’t be afraid to talk to the table about whether or not a spell/ability should resolve. Communication is definitely important in the game. Being newer to it, mistakes will definitely be made, and that’s all part of the learning process. As for Slicer as a deck, he’s not meant to be a reactive list from my knowledge. More turboing him out to start getting the damage happening
Thank you for that advice. I'll try to take advantage of that I'm a newbie and talk with the players more!
CEDH sounds really cool, and i think it would be awesome to hear more about your ventures into the format as you learn more, especially coming from the perspective of someone who has a really effective way of explain MtG concepts, it could really open some eyes and I'd love to learn that way
You all will soon find out I'm actually not that good at magic 😆😆😆
Some tips i have from playing normal constructed
- dont be afraid to let triggers/abilities resolve. You usually want to let your opponent make all their decisions before you reveal information (during the draw step, have sylvan librarys trigger resolve and then kill it. If they put cards back on top expecting to go 3 deep again, it could be in a poor order and they did so thinking they would still have it)
- speak out the phases you're in. Allows you to better understand what phase your in and get your and your opponents triggers off in a smooth manner (call upkeep for your bobs, draw steps for your sylvan library, main phase to tick up your fable of the mirror breaker etc).
- resource does matter. Dont be afraid to pay the life for phyrexian mana, to pay for necropotence, exile your own graveyard to pay the delve spells you have now, etc.
I disagree with the first part, if you’re attempting to reduce enemy resources and have intent to blow a sylvan library up do it in previous end step - there are so many things that just can’t resolve or you won’t have a point of interaction
I think I have a hard time determining what things to let go and what things I need to hold and think about, but then that gives a lot of information away. Perhaps thinking about my plays on a previous end step helps so that players can't guess what I have in hand exactly.
@@tibx2617 this, you're effectively letting them scry, and realistically they're going to be putting it back roughly same order or better....which, at best for you is the same as random except now they know
@@OatmealTheCrazy hmm? No… always pay 8 feel gr8
Cedh is about knowing what each deck is trying to do so you know how to handle it while still trying to win with your opponents knowing what you’re trying to do.
I'll have to brush up on the deck knowledge
Not only are Mulligans important - so is mana, life, cards, the stack,😊 everything in cEDH is a factor in who wins . Im glad there are both cEDH and casual, too, so i can play my Dalek deck.
I've been gold fishing an Atraxa Praetor's Voice deck I put together recently and am realizing the COLORs that are available to me are so important for the deck! So much to learn from this format!
Thabk you for posting this. As someone considering dabbling into cedh, this was nice to watch
No problem! Glad this helped!
I'm trying to go into Duel Commander recently and i'm kind of having the same feeling that you describe about cEDH.
Mulligans are extremely important, especially if you know what your matchup is, but you also need to know your deck, its weaknesses and strengths.
You will encounter some cards in almost everydeck that runs the colors so it's good to play accordingly : if you see two blue untapped mana, get ready for a counterspell. If you're playing against red, i hope you have some basics or else bloodmoon is going to ruin your game, etc.
And finally, you need to know what the other deck is doing. If you know what their goal is, you'll know what to counter, what to remove, how to go against them and how you can squeeze in
Something I've learned with cedh is use your tutors correctly. Use a first turn tutor on someone's end of turn right before your second turn to avoid as much interaction as possible. As well as analyze the board state and getting the piece you might need at that time. There's plenty of times where I've seen someone has an enchantment or something in play that's hindering a player's game plan and they don't have an answer because they tutored up a combo piece instead. Don't make that same mistake.
Hundred and 10 percent agree wirh the mulligan, it’s all about finding those pieces that help you go off early on or having interaction at the ready to stop someone else from potentially popping off early on
Mons with cedh tv is a great resource. Just watching I have learned a lot. Keep up the great work and catch ya on the flippity !
I'll have to check them out! Thanks!
I like your point about treating assessment and knowing the other decks. My suggestion is to watch channels like Playing with Power and Play to Win to see all sorts of decks in action so you know what pieces to look out for
Great advice I'll check them out!
Hi! Im beginning my journey myself from very casual (very slow deck builds) to cedh (not sucking)😂 thetes so much im excited to learn so thanks for sharing
I'm excited for you! I'll need to post more about my endeavors!
All great insights, it takes a lot to be introspective and learn from your games/mistakes. I am interested in cEDH because sometimes I want to get more games in or there's only time for one game. As a result I have a cEDH deck but no one to play it with 🙃. My playgroup is very casual which is fine, but it can be frustrating when people are just talking and not taking their turn or not paying attention so they have to ask what happened, etc. Maybe I can find some cEDH people to Spelltable with...
-Jack
I dunno if I have a lot of cEDH players in my Discord yet, but you're welcome to join to try to get some SpellTable games in with us. I'd like to practice more with the cEDH format!
@@keepingitcasualmtg I might have to check it out! It's hard to convince myself to get into games with people I don't know but I should start.
- Jack
The cool thing about cEDH people is they are generally more chill. I have this text where I go over (or near) a game of Commander and I just casuall slip:
"Commander is a format played by people who are either too stupid or too poor to play other formats"
Reaction from casuals is usually pretty hostile, even if I werent talking to them directly, but the reaction from cEDH folk is usually amazing. They'll usually respond with something quippy like
"Yeah, children's cardgames for retarded people" or "Ain't that the truth, if I hadn't bough this Volcanic I could probably eat this month" :D
It's a good gauge phrase. Say it anywhere near a commander table and instantly know what kind of atmosphere you are in :)
I'd be careful with the use of the "R" word, but I agree cEDH folks have been pretty chill.
hell yeah, cedh & cpdh is our thing!
Nice! I've heard of cPDH that sounds like it could be interesting too.
All this time I thought cEDH stood for casual elder dragon highlander. 😅😂
😆😆😆
Keep at it bro!
Thanks I'll try my best!
Hey, glad youre trying out cEDH. Youll learn the slow down, priority, pace, etc. With slicer, mulligan aggressively for a turn 1 Slicer. Youre the pressure that the "meta decks" get messed up by. If you dont get started, its even harder to carch up.
Check out Play to Win, Moderately anonymous mtg, mental misplay, and khalua lua for good personality, lessons, and potential collabs
Play to Win is why I am getting into cEDH. I enjoy their stuff. I'll have to watch more cEDH content.
Mulligans are a big thing. You need to learn what kind of hand your deck wants to start with!
Yes big mistake playing slicer on 3
As a cEDH player a thought I often hear from casual players is they think that cEDH is all about winning as fast as possible, while for some decks this may be true, it's often not the case. The real thing with cEDH is about optimizing your deck and your plays/mulligans to give yourself the best chance of winning against the other players in the pod, not necessarily going for the fastest win.
That is a good point and a more accurate representation of the format. I'll have to keep that in mind.
as someone who is only just now hearing about cedh being a thing, considering last time i played was just with friends about 6 years ago, honestly all i ever hear about cedh is combo. So it's very easy to get the interpretation that it's a combo oriented format that wants to win asap. And hearing about it so much has really made me dislike the format cause i like longer games
Combos are things to keep in mind and are prevalent, but it's kinda like everyone is doing their best to stop opposing combos and you're trying to get yours in. Sometimes it gets to a point where people burn through their resources and becomes a game of attrition.
That's exactly it, there are multiple strategies in cedh, and some of those strategies involve forcing the match into a war of attrition, so they can capitalize on it. that being said, a lot of decks do have lightning fast combos and your deck needs to have something to be able to interact with those combos. My core belief is that true cedh is more about interaction than speed. And interaction doesn't necessarily mean counterspells, it could mean stax pieces or well timed removal.@@keepingitcasualmtg
Welcome to cEDH. Have a great journey.
Thanks!
generally speaking if a card costs 4 or more mana in cedh it's stop on sight
Oh is that so? I would think that it would depend on the spell? I played another game recently and was wondering if I should have dealt with a Smothering Tithe or held onto my Chaos Warp for a more game ending play.
@@keepingitcasualmtg that's a general rule of thumb, especially if you don't know what a card does or what it's for
smothering tithe is probably fine to leave on the table, but know that card draw and fast mana are two of the key tenets of cedh and tithe gives you one when an opponent does the other
from memory of a few years ago cedh, tithe is mostly played in Stax and more controlling decks so I would consider removing it with something that isn't chaos warp, if only because chaos warp will probably just give that opponent another Stax piece
control decks are weakest when their opponents can dig deep for answers so in that board state, was there a rule of law effect? if so, tithe doesn't really do much since if you can only cast one spell per turn you can probably pay for the tithe
also, if someone is ending the game, a mono-white deck can't offer a lot of instant speed interaction even with infinite mana (mostly just silence tbh), and tutors get around the tithe
if you're mono-r, tithe affects you a LOT less, since you rely on impulse draw or combat damage (or gamble) so don't use an interaction piece to remove something that barely affects you but is a huge shackle to someone else
all that said though if someone casts a card you don't understand, ask the table what it does, cedh is not fun if you win by hiding what your deck does or what your wincon is, generally people will tell you something like "it's an advantage piece" or "it's one piece of a 2 card infinite"
for ex if you see clown car in Magda, it looks weird AF until you realize it's a 0 mana vehicle which means it's a free way to tap all your dorfs
Cool video
Thank you!
game is fast, like 20 min fast
or 2-3 hours stax hell
but mostly fast
Definitely not the case - Pwp videos use to have game length and even 2-3 turn games go for a long time, same with mine and I play to win on t2 as K’rrik and came second at a local tournament
I have played a few slogs recently too. I've also played some blazing fast ones.
Oh no you let the old lady resolve
Do you have a deck list?
This is the list I'm currently using www.moxfield.com/decks/mJF5JisjwUab_KQWvY9OZw. I'll post it in the description as well.
Tip for cedh don’t play slicer
Noted
Slicer is so much fun
I've been enjoying it. The decisions seem pretty easy, but that gives me time to spectate other players and learn the game.
I enjoy watching my friends try to figure out how to kill me before killing each other
I think Black Lotus should be legal for cEDH. I play vintage and it's not as broken of a card in practice as it is in theory, especially with 99 other cards to go through, the fact it's automatically restricted, and the extra life points. I feel the same way about The Moxen.
It's only banned for being expensive. There are other unreasonably expensive cards that are legal like promos and varients. A card being expensive shouldn't automatically make it banned. Mine is one my brother pulled from an Alpha pack back in 93 at our local comic shop. It cost him $3!
I suppose it's awkward having an alternative ban list for cEDH and regular EDH. I could understand why it would be banned for the overall EDH format.
@@keepingitcasualmtg I disagree. Edh and Cedh are actually entirely different games when you get down to it.
Edh is for hanging with your friends, having a few beers, and a few laughs.
Cedh is for winning at all costs regardless of if anyone else has fun.
I think because of this they should be considered 2 separate formats with separate ban lists. Like Legacy vs Vintage.
Black Lotus isn't just banned for being expensive; it's also extremely explosive and it creates an oftne insurmountable advantage when it is in someone's opening hand. (Jeweled Lotus often has the same effect, and you've probably seen it happen!) Mana Crypt is probably the closest card to it that is actually legal, and having one in your opener makes a huge difference - and that's 2 colorless. 3 colored mana is a lot.
cEDH never interested me pretty much for all the reasons listed here
lmao git gud
It's surprisingly better than I thought it would be.
oh im so happy to hear somebody is going for cEDH, for me, its the most fun MtG can give u, so many cards u can play, with 3 enemies, so many interactions, etc, ect.. i just love it so much that i only play cedh and limited rn. Also pretty funny to see tited of the video "learning cedh" on casual channel :dd
heres some tips from this noobie random Prague guy, first of all
1 - watch all the good cEDH channels with gameplays, seeing and the good meta decks, all the plays and way to react or just mulligen (which is fuucking hard part of cedh and srsly very important) is just so good thing to leart throught videos. i'd recomment
@PlayToWin (my fav 💖), so much fun to watch, some bffs just killing each other all the time with the best energy between each other there is, also nice commentary
@PlayingWithPowerMTG very nice commented, not so much of thought process convs, which is kinda bummer, but also better for newer players, so they can understand whats going on.
@CedhTv some Scandinavien smart guys that are kidna cringy and insanly good at the game and they make so cool plays that its just breathtaking sometimes, also they change the decks like every video and are very good at pilotinh them!
2 - go for cedh deck database and just browse throught some decklists of the meta decks, read some primers to the deck, it rly helped me to deeply understand how the format works and how it is not only about the best infinite combo and only that. And altho we re playing for the win, it totally doesnt meet its not for fun, it can totally be fun as fuck mate, believe me! Those tricky lines i sometimes see my friends or even myself do, i cant even believe its real :dd
last of all, just enjoy the game, and be good 💖 gl&hf
Thank you so much this is all really helpful. Play To Win are very enjoyable to watch. I've seen some of their stuff. CedhTV is one I haven't heard of I'll have to check them out and I'll have to watch more of Playing with Power!
@@keepingitcasualmtg glad to hear it 💖