Going from brutal BP 3 tab Dakota over wood (leaking at 15 years) to a BP mystique 42 laminated over a synthetic tar paper this week. Nice video I'm familiar with those 3 tabs tearing, picked them up all over my damn yard for years. Never again.
My 25 year shingles lasted 19 years, they used the cheapest materials to build my home..I’m slowly fixing it and repainting it again. They just finished installing my 30 year shingles for only 500 dollars more.the roof contractor said it could withstand 130 mph winds, that’s great news for me since I live only 70 miles from the coast.The Hurricanes can get a little nasty 70 miles in.It’s peace of mind for only 500 extra bucks, at least where I live.
$500 is very reasonable, and money well spent on a shingle that is supposed to be secure under double the wind speed as the three tab shingle! You made a good choice. What was the shingle brand?
Yea I do alot of leak repair & replacing blown off shingles & there have only been a few times where I had 30yr shingles blow off, it was always from improper nailing & nothing to do with the shingle itself.
Honestly surprised at how many of the comments, including my own did not get anywhere near the stated life out of our roofs. Mine had about 75% tar strip failure at 12 years
@@essroofing CertainTeed landmark. Tar strips were terrible. They were leaking badly in just a 40 mile an hour windstorm. Replaced with a malarkey legacy, much heavier, much thicker, when I go up there and blow them off in the fall, you can hit those things with a leaf blower and none of them move. I'm not even particularly sure it's a brand thing. It seems like since these are a throwaway commodity that each batch is made a little bit different. Seems like such a waste with the cost of labor, over in the UK when you do a tile or slate roof, those things last north of 100 years. There are still a lot of homes in my area that were built in the '80s that have their original tile roofs.
You should look into F-Wave or Euroshield! There are also a good number of Class 4 Impact-Resistant shingles on the market that will reduce your chances of needing to file a claim during the next hailstorm. ADDITIONALLY, your insurance will likely give you a discount for these types of hail-resistant roofs.
WRONG, Architectural shingles are 2 pieces held together with roofing cement not one piece. If you use them in steep slope applications you better buy the thick/best since the thin shingle will eventually separate and tear through the nail holes. Owens Corning in particular will tell you their lifetime warranty is not applicable in steep slope applications. Their lifetime warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment, Jack! I'd have to look into that to verify your statement. I've never heard that Owens Corning has such warranty restrictions.
The restrictions are you need to add 2 more nails and more roofing cement to prevent high wind damage on steep slope applications. This came directly from the shingle packaging. Nothing was stated this procedure was needed under normal installation to stop the lamination separation on the west/sunny side of the slope. I live in very low wind and fairly mild climate area so installation should be a no brainer. Besides since the roofing cement softens with heat what good is adding more goop going to do. Also adding more nails won't help since the shingle is so thin it just tears through the lamination layer even if they are installed correctly on a line. On a line that's another joke, you better hire a carpenter not a roofer. This shingle is the O.C. Oakridge lifetime warranty which they already have a class action against the shingle for deterioration. My point is don't believe lifetime warranty scams since even the bottom feeder product can be labeled as such and there is no out there to protect the consumer.
We're not sure exactly what you're referring to, but we agree that using roofing cement to hold down shingles isn't a good answer. Also, you're absolutely right - six nails per shingle is what we use on every roof, regardless if it's in a high wind zone or not. And "Lifetime Warranties" are deceptive, sometimes, if you don't read the fine print. Thanks again for stopping by!
Hi! Can you recommend brands of architectural shingles that are best? It seems the Owens Corning have a lot of issues, so wondering what other "brands" would be thicker/better etc. Thank you!
GAF shingles are our favorite. They are the best performing shingle on the market, in our opinion. Most shingle brands are similar, but we do not feel comfortable installing any other brands. One of the best options with GAF is the Timberline ULTRA HD shingle. It now has an extended Stain Guard warranty, which makes the shingle look better for longer, and it's a thicker shingle, which means it should last you about 25-30 years, as opposed to 15-20 years. I hope this helps you a bit! Feel free to ask a follow up question!
Ernie Smith & Sons Roofing Just installed that exact line. They used 3 tab for ridge cap. Is it advisable to use GAF ridge cap and have them rip and replace. The contractor says it’s not any better and my guess and I’ve heard GAF warranty is useless bc they’ll find an exception to not cover if needed. I understand 3 tab would nullify warranty. I’d rather have a solid roof install over a supposed warranty I’ll prob never see. What do you think?
There is nothing wrong with Gaf CertainTeed or Owens Corning the problem is that there is a lot of problems with roof and everything gets blamed on the materials and most of the problems are because of the installers I go to 3 appointments a day to see roof problems and every one of the problems is because some one did something wrong. So focus on finding a good installers the installer is good I’m sure he will make sure to use a good product as well good luck to you.
Is this really true that OC has issues ? There’s a ton of contractors in Reddit snd TH-cam who said they are great. I was looking into the duration MAX and Cool
NCO NCO talk about NCO...they were around as long as 3 tab...but the way they should still be,,,no weak link, no waste/ heat/lumps for nothing, oh $$ yes
Yup, years ago they put NCO in big letters on the packs..no cut outs, which were the opposite of cut outs,,,3 tab. NCO were just straight across shingles. I don't recall architectural style then thou there may have been later. I am skeptical of a thick and thin (weak link thing) rather than a consistent protection. For the money and weight/heat and weavability NCOs have merit...that is if the tech kept up with today's. I think a new roof looks great either way. After cutting a few of today's architectural shingles, I am sure I never had to cut one years back.
I've done a little research. Interesting - I never heard of them before. I see that they are virtually extinct at this point. Do you know if any are still manufactured today?
They can certainly last awhile. It depends on what brand/type of 3-tab was used, and how much bad weather has hit the roof. Roofs definitely age differently based on these factors. Good for you!
Guess it shows my age. I get the same all over. Many just say don't use 3-tab shingles. Well 3-tab are cut out shingles, NCO are no cut outs. They put NCO in large print on the package years ago. I don't think there was a architectural shingle then. Nope just wooden ladders and luck,,,hitting the spaced sheeting and roof holding up to 4 layers, and you, lol. Last year I seen a DIYer shingle over a NCO roof after hail storm. One only one I know of. Was thinking that would be a smoother surface if you wanted to put 2 layers on(2 is code in IA). I did see some NCO in a alley of a private contractor so they are still out there(possible CRC brand?). Just thinking with new technologies they might be better and a smoother transition for second layer or steel later on...and should be lil lighter weight? As long as here, I also read on TH-cam in comments (Washington State area) guys were bragging they put on the best...the better 3 tab. Not sure if there is a different thing up there?
Going from brutal BP 3 tab Dakota over wood (leaking at 15 years) to a BP mystique 42 laminated over a synthetic tar paper this week. Nice video I'm familiar with those 3 tabs tearing, picked them up all over my damn yard for years. Never again.
Thank you so much for stopping by! Nice choice on the new shingles!
I couldn’t pay attention trying to figure out glasses. That’s funny
Made ya look! ;) Thanks for stopping by and dropping a comment!
My 25 year shingles lasted 19 years, they used the cheapest materials to build my home..I’m slowly fixing it and repainting it again. They just finished installing my 30 year shingles for only 500 dollars more.the roof contractor said it could withstand 130 mph winds, that’s great news for me since I live only 70 miles from the coast.The Hurricanes can get a little nasty 70 miles in.It’s peace of mind for only 500 extra bucks, at least where I live.
$500 is very reasonable, and money well spent on a shingle that is supposed to be secure under double the wind speed as the three tab shingle! You made a good choice. What was the shingle brand?
Yea I do alot of leak repair & replacing blown off shingles & there have only been a few times where I had 30yr shingles blow off, it was always from improper nailing & nothing to do with the shingle itself.
Exactly! The integrity of the shingle itself is very good, compared to 3-tab shingles.
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My pleasure! Thanks for stopping by!
Honestly surprised at how many of the comments, including my own did not get anywhere near the stated life out of our roofs. Mine had about 75% tar strip failure at 12 years
It has a lot to do with the materials being used, and the shingle manufacturer. Which manufacturer did your contractor use?
@@essroofing CertainTeed landmark. Tar strips were terrible. They were leaking badly in just a 40 mile an hour windstorm. Replaced with a malarkey legacy, much heavier, much thicker, when I go up there and blow them off in the fall, you can hit those things with a leaf blower and none of them move. I'm not even particularly sure it's a brand thing. It seems like since these are a throwaway commodity that each batch is made a little bit different. Seems like such a waste with the cost of labor, over in the UK when you do a tile or slate roof, those things last north of 100 years. There are still a lot of homes in my area that were built in the '80s that have their original tile roofs.
It hails every damn year or 2 in texas..so it really doesnt matter..20year 100year shingles wont last but maybe 2years with these damn hail storms
You should look into F-Wave or Euroshield! There are also a good number of Class 4 Impact-Resistant shingles on the market that will reduce your chances of needing to file a claim during the next hailstorm. ADDITIONALLY, your insurance will likely give you a discount for these types of hail-resistant roofs.
I would not put the architecture shingles on my dog house
Every roof of them the laminates have separated
WRONG, Architectural shingles are 2 pieces held together with roofing cement not one piece. If you use them in steep slope applications you better buy the thick/best since the thin shingle will eventually separate and tear through the nail holes. Owens Corning in particular will tell you their lifetime warranty is not applicable in steep slope applications. Their lifetime warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on.
What do you think the word laminated means?
Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment, Jack! I'd have to look into that to verify your statement. I've never heard that Owens Corning has such warranty restrictions.
Using roofing cement to laminate shingles is like using sticking siding to your house with silly putty.
The restrictions are you need to add 2 more nails and more roofing cement to prevent high wind damage on steep slope applications. This came directly from the shingle packaging. Nothing was stated this procedure was needed under normal installation to stop the lamination separation on the west/sunny side of the slope. I live in very low wind and fairly mild climate area so installation should be a no brainer. Besides since the roofing cement softens with heat what good is adding more goop going to do. Also adding more nails won't help since the shingle is so thin it just tears through the lamination layer even if they are installed correctly on a line. On a line that's another joke, you better hire a carpenter not a roofer. This shingle is the O.C. Oakridge lifetime warranty which they already have a class action against the shingle for deterioration. My point is don't believe lifetime warranty scams since even the bottom feeder product can be labeled as such and there is no out there to protect the consumer.
We're not sure exactly what you're referring to, but we agree that using roofing cement to hold down shingles isn't a good answer. Also, you're absolutely right - six nails per shingle is what we use on every roof, regardless if it's in a high wind zone or not. And "Lifetime Warranties" are deceptive, sometimes, if you don't read the fine print. Thanks again for stopping by!
Good stuff, yup, obsolete 3 tab...
Hi! Can you recommend brands of architectural shingles that are best? It seems the Owens Corning have a lot of issues, so wondering what other "brands" would be thicker/better etc. Thank you!
GAF shingles are our favorite. They are the best performing shingle on the market, in our opinion. Most shingle brands are similar, but we do not feel comfortable installing any other brands. One of the best options with GAF is the Timberline ULTRA HD shingle. It now has an extended Stain Guard warranty, which makes the shingle look better for longer, and it's a thicker shingle, which means it should last you about 25-30 years, as opposed to 15-20 years.
I hope this helps you a bit! Feel free to ask a follow up question!
Ernie Smith & Sons Roofing Just installed that exact line. They used 3 tab for ridge cap. Is it advisable to use GAF ridge cap and have them rip and replace. The contractor says it’s not any better and my guess and I’ve heard GAF warranty is useless bc they’ll find an exception to not cover if needed. I understand 3 tab would nullify warranty. I’d rather have a solid roof install over a supposed warranty I’ll prob never see. What do you think?
There is nothing wrong with Gaf CertainTeed or Owens Corning the problem is that there is a lot of problems with roof and everything gets blamed on the materials and most of the problems are because of the installers I go to 3 appointments a day to see roof problems and every one of the problems is because some one did something wrong. So focus on finding a good installers the installer is good I’m sure he will make sure to use a good product as well good luck to you.
@@romeroroofingsiding7430 .. You sir are correct
Is this really true that OC has issues ? There’s a ton of contractors in Reddit snd TH-cam who said they are great. I was looking into the duration MAX and Cool
Amazing video bro 👍
Thank you so much!
NCO NCO talk about NCO...they were around as long as 3 tab...but the way they should still be,,,no weak link, no waste/ heat/lumps for nothing, oh $$ yes
Please explain? I'm not familiar with that term.
Yup, years ago they put NCO in big letters on the packs..no cut outs, which were the opposite of cut outs,,,3 tab. NCO were just straight across shingles. I don't recall architectural style then thou there may have been later. I am skeptical of a thick and thin (weak link thing) rather than a consistent protection. For the money and weight/heat and weavability NCOs have merit...that is if the tech kept up with today's. I think a new roof looks great either way. After cutting a few of today's architectural shingles, I am sure I never had to cut one years back.
I've done a little research. Interesting - I never heard of them before. I see that they are virtually extinct at this point. Do you know if any are still manufactured today?
I have 5 roofs with 3 tab going on 25 years
They can certainly last awhile. It depends on what brand/type of 3-tab was used, and how much bad weather has hit the roof. Roofs definitely age differently based on these factors. Good for you!
Wow...What brand ?? Model ??
Thank You Sir
Our pleasure!
where are you located ?
We have two locations - one in Manvel, TX, and one in Victoria, TX, but we service the Gulf Coast of Texas from Corpus Christi to Beaumont.
Ernie Smith & Sons Roofing Do you have any roofs ?
We keep busy, yes sir!
Double laminates,,,not, 50% double laminated, the other 50% a weak link prone to hail damage. Bring back NCO shingles
Thanks for coming back. What does NCO stand for? Ernie might know about these shingles, but I haven't heard of those in the past ten years.
Guess it shows my age. I get the same all over. Many just say don't use 3-tab shingles. Well 3-tab are cut out shingles, NCO are no cut outs. They put NCO in large print on the package years ago. I don't think there was a architectural shingle then. Nope just wooden ladders and luck,,,hitting the spaced sheeting and roof holding up to 4 layers, and you, lol. Last year I seen a DIYer shingle over a NCO roof after hail storm. One only one I know of. Was thinking that would be a smoother surface if you wanted to put 2 layers on(2 is code in IA). I did see some NCO in a alley of a private contractor so they are still out there(possible CRC brand?). Just thinking with new technologies they might be better and a smoother transition for second layer or steel later on...and should be lil lighter weight? As long as here, I also read on TH-cam in comments (Washington State area) guys were bragging they put on the best...the better 3 tab. Not sure if there is a different thing up there?
yup
Thanks for stopping by!
Shingles are painful.
Can be....both types!