DON'T USE DRYWALL ANCHORS! Try This Instead! (MOUNTING PLATES--Stud In The Wrong Place)
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DON'T USE WALL ANCHORS! Try This Instead! (MOUNTING PLATES--Stud In The Wrong Place)
Wall anchors can be very unreliable. They're good for very light-duty applications. But, I see clients try to use wall anchors too often for heavier mounting, or for mounting a lot of small fixtures and hardware.
In these situations, I like to avoid wall anchors all together. Instead, I use MOUNTING PLATES.
Mounting plates are just a piece of wood (about 3/4" thick, at least 2" wide, and more than 18" long) that mounts to the wall, spanning two studs. This provides a layer of wood to attach hardware to.
This gives you the flexibility of putting your hardware wherever you look, while still providing plenty of strength! This is especially great for garage storage!
DON'T USE WALL ANCHORS! Try This Instead! (MOUNTING PLATES--Stud In The Wrong Place)
HOW-TO:
1) Locate studs.
2) Hold your mounting plate in place; level.
3) Pre-drill through mounting plate at stud locations.
4) Drive 3" fasteners through holes.
5) Pre-drill for harware.
6) Attach hardware.
7) Hang up storage items.
This principle can easily be incorporated into custom built-ins as well! Just put a mounting plate on the underside of shelves and tops. Garage storage can especially benefit from this.
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My father was a master carpenter, and some of the solutions he came up with over the years were pretty creative. I did not follow in his footsteps, although I learned enough to be dangerous. This is the type of solution he told me about before, and why he never threw away any usable scraps of wood. I appreciate that you are passing along your wealth of knowledge to others today. We could definitely use more skilled tradesmen.
You bring shame to his lineage (joking)
Sounds like your talking about my Dad, his specialty was in masonry, but I viewed him as a brilliant carpenter, Thank God we have our brother, Love these videos, this generation lacks skilled tradesmen, trying to teach our grandson @ an early age simple things around the house, with a hammer/screwdriver, I will pretend something is loose, so he can tighten it up, my husband thinks I'm nuts, but this will come in handy one day for our grandson.
It is time to reinstate apprenticeship!
Thanks! You rock!
This is awesome for an old lady whose late husband could do amazing woodworking projects...and I apparently learned very little from, even though I was usually there to help hold a shelf on one end while he drilled and screwed in the mounting hardware! I need all these little tips!! You are a lifesaver!!!
I agree. My husband uses them, but I really didn’t understand why until this video. I hung a 15lb mirror all by myself using wall anchors. It worked. Now I want to hang 2 more decorative shelves (24 in wide). I’m going to ask my husband to guide me through the process. Thank you for your comment. Us ladies should be more attentive to our husbands work.
Also awesome for a young lady with a brainy (and not handy) partner. We just bought our first home and I wanted to learn everything from my dad. Unfortunately, we learned we may not have enough time left to do this together.
@@rdb4996 I’m so sorry. Praying that your dad has longevity and strength left. Praying for peace on your heart, also. God bless.
@@patcox8745 thank you dear person. Your thoughts and prayers are very much appreciated.
Hope your all having blessed days.. sure gentlemen would be proud of your work, ladies.
This is a Stellar Mounting Tip been doing this for decades
It’s so awesome that you broke everything down for people like myself who are hopeless with home repair. Super helpful video, you would think wall anchors would be dry to talk about but you made it engaging 😊🙌
Thanks Anthony! 😄
Sir, you have no idea how important your vids are for those of us DIY people. Such a simple fix to such a common problem.. can’t say thanxxxx enough.
Let me help you, Spike, because I'm one of those people. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Honest Carpenter!
Exactly. I Can't agree more.
“Not always a stud in the right place”. No truer words ever spoken.
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So very true! Lol
We used this concept to mount safe handrails in an older manufactured home for my aging mom. Works fantastic and doesn’t budge when using the rails. I love your raised cat bed idea! I have ideas for many things after watching this video-even though we did the handrails years ago. Thanks!
My father was a cabinet maker and a trick I learned from him was to make a wide mounting plate (maybe 5" ?), but cut in half, on a table saw with blade at 45 degree angle. This gives you two mounting plates (2.5" each) with a 45 degree edge. Mount one half to wall and one to cabinets to create a hanger which will support the cabinets. I usually work without a helper, so this is easier than trying to hold a cabinet in place while driving screws.
Although I have been using this method for years I found your delivery and explanation excellent. Informative without being at all patronising or condescending. Great vid. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You videos and explanations are among the best I've seen for instructional videos. I love and appreciate the time you take to make them and to make them so dang relatable and not talk down. I think I'm beyond a general DYI person, but hella not a carpenter. So, I do make sure I watch all your stuff for constant improvement. Fantastic work and thank you.
I've used this concept many times, very helpful! There is a row of 6 extra dining room chairs stored high up on our garage wall using this idea. Keep the legs pointing upward for better use of space, too.
This video immediately answered questions I had about screw size necessary and introduced a better concept for hanging shelves that may not have access to enough studs. I feel like I can confidently plan out the wall space using mounting plates now! 👏
Currently, the garage floor is my mounting plate. Its surface area is unmatched. My failure to master levitation is the only thing keeping me from the vast and endless expanse of storage.
Haha 😆
Gravity is a cruel master
Use the Force Kid!
I was once told that women see the floor as a surface to keep clean, but men see it as the largest shelf space in the world.
We can't have the same garage, Can we ?
Used this method in a store stock room mounting 1x4s every 12 inches going up the wall to hang shelf tracks. District Manager liked it enough to send us around to the rest of his stores where it was needed.
Variation on the theme: you can use shorter boards, as long as you can hit ONE stud. Secure the board to the stud with TWO screws, vertically spaced (and maybe use a 3" W board). Secure the two ends of the board into drywall, using DW anchors. The end anchors just keep the mounting board tight to the wall, but allow the stud screws to take the load. Works like a charm.
It depends how heavy the things you want to mount to the ends of the board are, but yes, that would work in many cases.
For all of us teachable we thank you for your time making the videos and for sharing your no how. Thanks for serving others and not loosing being humble and kind as you are
Be careful using 3” screws this way, especially anywhere near the middle of the wall vertically. Electrical wires pass through the centers of studs (by code, minimum 1-1/4” away from the face without using nail plates; in practice I’ve seen shorter distances) so either use screws that will go no more than 3/4” to 1-1/4” into the stud, or check for wiring first. We usually hang upper cabinets with 2-1/2” screws (3/4” of cabinet, 1/2” of drywall, and 1-1/4” in the stud). Plenty of strength as long as it’s tight.
You are correct 2.5s are the way to go. I've hit wires before, no fun.
Never thought of this. Thanks for the tip.
Or use a finder and common sense.
@@garypierce7380 you're the type of guy who uses a meat thermometer. That's your "common sense". Laughable.
Do I need to “pre drill” holes though the wood?
I love you! I've been trying to figure out how to add shelves to my kitchen. We have plaster walls and mounting plates will make this so much easier!
I have been using mounting plates throughout my home for years. I find it an attractive method of acquiring solid support. I have also used them extensively at the recreation facilities I operate, especially at the Ice Rinks where an angry hockey player can be very hard on the racks and benches etc. They are an extremely practical method for supporting the benches that need to be swept under after each group as it eliminates the legs which would otherwise have to be swept around making the task more difficult and time consuming. While I have at times used anchors, it has always been a secondary option, and only for light weight needs.
I find every one of your videos essential lessons I wish I’d had years ago! I have so many questions about SCREWS. So many - so many ways to choose the wrong ones! I’d love you to make a video on just the world of screws and their uses!
Your super easy to understand/follow. I’m a wife of a DIY husband. But, I’ve recently discovered I love doing some projects with wood, metal etc. using my husbands drills. I have no idea what I’m doing, but am eager to learn the right way. I want my own tools separate from my hubbys. He’s too impatient to teach, so your videos are going to be my go-to. THANK YOU! You’ve helped this girly girl appreciate tools. 👍🏻
Thank you , thank you, thank you! My husband is in love with anchors. I am going to show him your video.
You have done a wonderful job describing the problem and solution to those of us who did not know. Many blessings to you, sir.
This is exactly the video I've been looking for. I'm doing built in shelves in a small bathroom closet and didn't want to use wall anchors for brackets, but was having a real heck of a time finding anyone to describe exactly how to install the supports, what screws to use, and whether or not I would still need to use anchors, if I'm able to span between two studs. THANK YOU!!
Thank you soo much. I have a project I’ve been looking at for literally years. Now I can complete it. Yea!!!!!
Wow, thanks...great idea! I'm constantly trying to get stuff off the floor and garage space is always limited no matter how big your garage is. I think this mounting plate idea just help me to have more space by hanging items up in the garage!
As someone just getting into woodworking this is the kind of content I need. Thanks for sharing.
Love your programs.
I used mounting plates for all my art.
I have an old mfg home with paneling walls. Mounting plates took out the worry of hanging everything here! Game changer.
What a great idea, thank you! I was just about to buy a rack to hold long handled stuff in my garage that you built with scrap. I have scrap, all I need is hooks! Brilliant!
You have just completely solved my floating desk problem.
Great presentation. Since I do a lot of work starting with bare studs, I do what is called blocking. Same concept just between the studs. I then take a picture of each area of blocking with measurements to the bottom and top of the block from the floor and stud markings everywhere. This makes it so easy to come back later to add whatever you’re hanging, toilet roll holder, coat hooks, shower head slide rod, heavy anything, say a chin up bar.
Absolutely! I just started doing this and it made mounting things so much easier and I feel more comfortable that it's secure
I'm planning to put up some floating shelves in a corner of a bedroom. Had a hard time understanding how to mount them if not on an abundance of horizontal studs. Thanks for this lesson - I realize now I can bridge them between vertical studs.
You have a pleasant and relaxed style and take your time to teach. TH-cam is fortunate to have you on board and so am I. I've learned a lot from you.
I can see this being an excellent PBS or network half hour show on the weekends! Give it a thumbs up if you agree!
Love it
Love this video! I can't believe no one ever mentions this one simple method when putting things up on the wall! Thanks so much for your informative video! 😊
This is super common in business. Normally all of the business communications will connect on a large plywood board mounted on the wall. Makes it not only easy to find when there's an issue, but you can mount PDUs or whatever to the board as well. Love your channel, it's time to catch up on projects and maintenance that fell by the wayside.
I have a storage closet in my garage and used this system to attach the shelving units. I've seen free standing shelf units fall over with too much weight on the top. I have a Christmas tree on top of one and some storage boxes on top of that. Thanks for the video.
Wish I knew about this before I tried to hang up a bike in my garage. Glad I found your channel!!
Great video. I used this technique years ago when I needed to anchor a tall entertainment center with cabinets on either side. 2x4 screws into studs, furniture screws into 2x4, and the job is done without having to care about where the the studs are. 💯
Thanks for sharing this clear and straight-to-the-point video. It just upped my hanging game. Plus, I can go back and watch it whenever needed as a guide.
Great Video, I have been doing this since I hung my first mirror 52 years ago. Over the years I was amazed that friends of mine never thought of this. As a lot of people have not. As for the plastic anchors, 9 years ago my daughter had her bathroom remodeled and they installed all racks with them. Towel rack loose the first day, I called the contractor and told him he should be ashamed to have done it that way. Back the next day to do it the correct way. Back to your video, for sure anyone watching it said to themselves wow what a great idea. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Elliot shapiro
Great ideas. Since you're talking garages in particular, though this trick can be used anywhere you can make it work, would be informative to also mention to DIYers that if you have access to backside in some way-wall or ceiling- then adding a support behind drywall can be a good option. I did this to hang bikes from my garage ceiling. I had access to joists above and just added/affixed a portion of 2x4 between them where I needed it, then fastened the bike pulley system to that portion of 2x4 from finished drywall side.
I've been doing this for years. I DO hate wall anchors. I also love listening to you talk, you're very articulate. Great vids.
I am so happy that TH-cam found me for your videos. You've been a lifesaver. Thank you for making it so easy.
I've never thought about doing this. Thank you!
Great tip, especially for IKEA buyers where everything seems spaced for European stud spacing.
I did this 3 years ago when I wanted a retractable air hose reel with 50' of hose mounted to the interior finished wall of my garage. I used 4"x 1/2" lags to hold a 3/4" plywood mounting board across 3 studs, with the reel mounted on it. The trickiest part (after triple checking I was dead center on the studs) was the reel needed to be mounted to the board before mounting to the wall. IIRC I used 1-1/2" shoulder bolts pushed in from the rear to mount the reel. Built a prop to hold it in place and screwed it home. It's been in nearly daily use since then and still stuck like glue to the wall.
A lot of European houses have walls made from bricks or similar material, so there is no need to search for studs etc. Maybe that's why you have the issue with Ikea furniture.
@@jankoodziej877 Thanks! I had no idea that was the case.
Omg !! Just became a huge fan off just one tip you just brushed over … but you’re the only person I’ve even seen use this trick and I tell everyone about it. After years of knocking across walls and listening, using thin nails and hamper gently, time and money wasted on countless gadgets just to be thrown at the wall out of frustration as there’s now 10 holes in the wall and still no stumd!!! Lol ……. Then by fluke a magnet I had in my hand magically stuck to the wall!!! Seriously changed my life lol now I can find a stud in 3 seconds and it’s never wrong !!
BEST STUD FINDER EVER .. MAGNETS!!!
I’m hooked, great tips, thanks
Thanks for good and easy and cheap diy tips. I'm living in an old house that does not have regular studs; your video offers some ideas that will definitely help with this problem.
thank you for the tip sensei!
We use anchors and even drywall anchors way more in Europe because a) most of our walls are concrete or bricks and b) when we have drywalls, the studs are usually metallic which does not make them easy to screw something in...
very neat ..
I'll have to incorporate that hack
on one of my diy projects
thx much honest carpenter
Thanks for sharing this. I’m not a carpenter but I used exactly the same method for my garage shelves to store windshield fluid containers and engine oil.
Dude! You just summarized lots of construction problems into this simple trick. Thanks a lot.
Use this all the time, ive gotten into painting/routing/staining the wood for look. Good stuff.
I've just came from Europe, and everything is new for me. Thank you so much for countless tips and tricks
You've definitely come to the right place.
I have been doing this for years, mounting a flat screen TV, Vacuum hose rack, shelves, and so much more. It is a tip that needs more exposure, so thanks for doing that.
You really are a talented Carpenter, a universal fix that's simple, inexpensive and can be used in a multitude of ways thank you for a great idea love your channel 👍
Thank you! Very enlightening. I am trying to learn how to do DIY so I find your videos very helpful.
Yours is one of the most useful YT channels I watch!
We have used these in a variety of ways, but it is always helpful to have the “why” for our choices.
I just now (March 8, 2022) found this video. About two weeks ago we went from stackables to side by side washer/dryer and I wanted to hang shelves above the washer. I used this method after several failed attempts to hand them with anchors. It worked great and saved me a drive into the nearest hardware store (about 40 miles) by using plywood scraps already on hand. Great video
I used this method to install a handicapped hand grab in a bathroom. Cut and painted a length of 2 x 4 to fit the narrow wall space, attached it to the underlying studs, then attached the hand grab to the 2 x 4.
What kind of wood did you use?
@@tomyang5991 As I said, just a piece of 2 x 4, so whatever those are made of. Pine, I presume.
@@whiteknightcat probably Douglas fir.
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That’s a great idea that I’ve used in my garage! Thanks for the video.
Thanks for explaining this concept! I've been thinking of putting up a floating bookshelf on a short wall that only seems to have studs at either end, so this will work perfectly.
I'd used this a couple of times already for "functionally decorative" hanging. The latest installments are the decorative mounting plates in my master bathroom to hold the double towel bar by the shower and the robe hooks behind the door.
You've given me SO MANY IDEAS from this one video!! Thank you! Liked and subbed!!
Thanks, NU-B! 😄
Mounting boards and cleats are awesome. I've used them many projects (mounting pegboard to allow a gap for hooks, basement/garage storage shelves, etc.). I've also used one on the ceiling for a laundry crane (like a chute but works both ways) that's in a spare bedroom closet located above the basement laundry room to allow for raising and lowering a laundry cart using a garage-rafter bicycle hoist through a cutout in the floor.
Sounds super cool! Is a "garage rafter bicycle hoist" a thing, or are you just saying you hung it from the garage rafters?
Planning to do this in mudroom /back of kitchen for some storage baskets. I will follow along with your steps. Thank you!
Your video was so helpful...... I was so frustrated on how to do a shelf in my closet. Watching your video help me 😊👍👍
Great vid! I decided to put plywood on one side of my garage, it was one of the best things I’ve done, to make my life easier. I took so much off the floor, and hung it on the wall! I didn’t need to find a stud either!😉
Have coffee mugs hanging over the sink, and pegboards holding our pots and pans, all using this idea. Its easy, looks great, and your stuff wont fall off the walls!
At first I thought pegboard for pots and pans? it would look silly with all the holes. But you were so right. it does look good and much better than I thought.
The luxury floating cat bed! That was a genius move to include the photo! I want to make floating cat shelves/perches and you make me believe I can do it myself! Many thanks!
I’ve been using mounting plates and French Cleats for years..good that you have made a video for those people that haven’t used them before.
I've incorporated the same concept of what you call "mounting plates" (with and without french cleats), but the screw-in type anchors work pretty well. In fact, there's been times even with spanning a couple of studs, I've had to use the anchors as well when the piece is longer. The hammer-in type of wall anchors are junk.
This. Is. it. Thank you so much. Now I can put my shed tools up!
you just changed my life!! This tip is so simple yet game changing. Thank you. I have so many blow outs in my garage walls.
exactly the info i needed, clear and in short form. i have been frustrated trying to mount on-wall speakers. Thank you
I used mounting plates to mount a 55" tv when the studs were too far apart for the mount. Used deck screws to hold the wood to the wall and bolted the mount to the wood - worked beautifully!
I just ripped down the sheetrock installed studs where I wanted and re rocked
You're a Genius!!!!!😘😘😘. Thanks for sharing Sir!👏👏👏🙏❤
I’m ahead of you on this idea. Have been using it for over 30 years. Getting fancier by the year, to which now they look like high-end custom built-ins/add-ons. Great to see we think alike. 👍🥳
WOW you have opened up a whole new world of ideas for me to improve my garage and home. Thanks so much!
Great video. I would just mention a couple things, if one has the luxury of a new build wall, with some good planning ahead of time, plywood blocking can be put between the studs and drywalled over, for a very clean look. Also, French cleats are great, as you showed. I used a long one to span 4-5 studs to hang a massive mirror. Makes hanging of heavy objects much easier and safer than hooks.
This should almost be standard to have a standard established height for people to hang items from. Without having to fish for studs
Backing all the way. Most people aren't doing new builds though
@@MrChristian not to gold plate stuff too much and drive cost/material use up, but I agree, in certain rooms (e.g., "man cave") and at certain heights, why not just proactively install backing?
Can use some fancier wood with finish inside for the look too. And i just realized I did this in my woodshop with french cleats
This is an awesome video! It gave me the idea on how to add more hanging options in the bathroom. We have a long wall that is perfect for a bunch of hooks and by taking a 1x2 I was able to get more hooks on the wall, I got 6 double hooks with enough room in between so when things are hanging they don’t touch each other. Super easy and I know they are not coming down; unlike the towel hangers that always ended up coming off no matter what sheet rock hanging thing I tried.
Thanks!
Very helpful guidance. Just found your channel, and am enjoying the maturation of your presentations over the years!
I've not heard it called that but I've used that trick also for rentals in closets/utility areas to reduce how many holes I have to patch (2 holes to mount it, then a bunch of little ones) or when I have to span something I can't risk drilling into (e.g. a shelf below a breaker box where I expect lots of electrical wires behind the wall). Its a nice idea when you don't care about having the extra thickness and/or don't care about looking at it..but for something like a towel rack when you have to squeeze it between the light-switch and mirror its not practical though.
I have considered creating wall storage or shelving by mounting plastic crates or wooden crates, but I thought it might be better to mount everything to a plywood sheet or sheets and then mount the sheets to the wall (Into the studs) which would result in less holes being drilled and less screws or nails being driven into the wall. That way the "shelving" can be removed and the wall easily fixed and painted if we move.
Yep, this works been doing it for years. Last one was to hang 12 feet of curtains over bedroom walls. I used a 12 foot cedar deck board to span the distance, then any place is good to support the tubing mounts and center support for the room darkening curtains. I painted the board the same color as the wall so it's not out of place. Do the same for towel racks with a piece of oak backer. Stain or paint to match the decor, this makes for a very strong towel rack.
I did the same thing in my garage this summer. It's amazing how much you can get on one wall!
I own an old house and the previous owner used these mounting plate. Until I saw the video I didn't understand why the owner was doing. Thanks for a practical application and explanation. 🔨
My house had jars hanging from the sealing above the workbench when we moved in. Turns out they are used to storage screws and whatnot. interesting
I use 3/4" finish plywood to mount tv's all the time. I cut the plywood slightly smaller than the size of the tv and attach the tv mounting bracket with carriage bolts. I then have much more freedom to attach the plate to studs. The really nice thing is in the future, the tv can be replaced or moved without having to do extensive drywall repairs.
I fabricate and use very thin stainless steel sheet metal "French cleats". Makes TV totally flush, with only 2 or 3 screw holes when removed.
@@Bob_Adkins with the french cleat, how does the tv extend from the wall and rotate side to side and pivot up and down?
@@briancrisler6660 I Don't need to swivel or extend. I have used them, but nobody ever used the feature, so I use a stationary cleat now.
I had zero idea about mounting plates or the idea behind it! Thank you so much!
hey ive used this method many times, im glad someone shared it lol.
I did this to hang my tv above my fireplace. For some reason the studs were in weird spots. I used two 2x4 boards and I actually like how the TV sits out more also. I just need to paint them when I repaint my living room.
This was something I need to incorporate! I love to let my clients know it’s possible! We can place a mounting plate!
Thank you! I didn't realize this is exactly what I needed for my particular issue until right now
Love it! I'm going to try it to mount a bathroom cabinet. I am really concerned about the support since it is going over the toilet.
So simple & effective. I have a large beautiful antique mirror that would look great on my bed wall but it's very heavy. Afraid it will fall & kill me in my sleep, lol. This solution would help with the worry.
I know I'm 3 years late in seeing this but I started using this method about 2 weeks ago when what I wanted to hang in my garage didn't line up with the studs. Good to know professionals are doing this!
Such a great idea. Its really super helpful for someone like me with zero experience and still wants to do DIY for fun.
This one of the first things I did in my garage when I moved in. A simple 1x3 works for most applications
A 1x3 is ¾in just like he said
@@kylealexander7024 what's your point?
I said I used a 1x3 in my garage