Buddy, whenever you wonder if that is the correct profession for you: I am an amateur woodworker from Germany. Yes, I have lived in Canada for one year (in Kingston, ON) so I am able to follow english speaking channels, but other than that I just appreciate your presentation of very relatable woodworking challenges AND solutions for not 100% perfectly setup woodworking shops (or whatever that's called). You are instantly likable, relatable (is that even a word???) and are an important part of my woodworking inspirational routine. Please don't doubt yourself! Kind regards from Germany!
Your English is better than most native speakers/writers. I was blessed to live in Germany right after I graduated from high school. I worked for the US army at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. I was a ski instructor and worked for the Moral Support Division! Vacation with pay! Cheers, Prost, from Seattle!
As below, thanks for not editing out mistakes made on builds. Most of what I (we) learn is from mistakes made and also adds a bit of entertainment at your cost..😂
I love the feather board and 44.8 degree tip on the long miters. I spent so much time fixing a gap because I just sent it through without much consideration at 45 degrees without much consideration.
You acknowledging and not editing your mistakes.. makes you more real.. and actually makes it more inspiring .. This is my first video watching.... And I'm subscribing ... look forward to see more..
@@HeyLookWhatICanDo I did one of my baseboards in master like this recently. Of course I messed up the last 45 degree cut (don't have great tools just electric hand saw and a steady hand). Not looking forward to it. Need to figure out how to scribe the opposing angle I need or I'll spend more time fixing a gap.
Here's a tip for the lagbolt style. Take a rip of plywood of any thickness and dbl stick tape it to the wall where you want the shelf. Align the top of the plywood where the top of the shelf will go. Drill holes and thread lags into the wall. Cut-off heads, now remove plywood and you have a template for the shelf with bolt locations
easier said than done. I have tried this way and if you are off AT ALL with the holes you drill in the shelf or the lags in the wall the shelf will be crooked and you cant really do anything to fix it. you need to have the lags perfectly straight and level. its not a bad idea at all I am just saying it is trickier than you might think! I prefer making my shelves hollow inside so there is an opening the whole length on the back side which gives you a lot more wiggle room. I also add a cleat to the wall so it is attached to the cleat so it cant slide around then the steel holds it up. I use L shaped brackets cut the drywall away, attach the brackets directly to the stud then the shelf can slid on to the part that is sticking out. it does require drywall patching after but I have never gone wrong with this method and it is very strong! also if there is going to be backsplash , tile or shiplap going on the wall those cut outs can be covered up without any drywall repair. I do love the lag idea I have just had issues before where I am just ever so slightly off on angle or levelness despite all my efforts and it turns into a real circus trying to make it right after.
As always, thank you for the insights, the ideas, but also the humility and the humanity. I feel like so many of the woodworking channels are so far beyond my skill level that even though I love to watch them, I can’t relate to their work. But when I watch yours, I can see myself in you. Thank you.
Nice looking shelves! Pro tip on the installation of the second set. Put down a drop cloth when you're cutting the bolts down unless you like shiny bits of metal in your carpet.
@@dwwoodbuilds I'm hoping John's mention of using an angle grinder in a finished space was a joke. A less ridiculous option would be a sawzall with a metal blade. But a portable bandsaw (like John used) is easiest.
I can’t deal that a floating shelf video is so interesting and I even learned something. How dare you combine entertainment and education. 😂 great video really.
Greetings fellow humans, I also have a tip for the lagbolt style shelves. The shelves I built were a bit smaller and I used 5/16” lag bolts. I cut the heads off the lag bolts before threading them in to the wall and simply chucked them in to my drill to drive them in to the wall. This had 2 advantages that I perceived. 1) it allowed me to make the mess of sparks and metal shavings in my basement at the bench vise instead of in my kitchen. 2) It allowed me to use the doweling jig to help keep things straight when i drove the lag bolts in because i could simply slide the jig off of the lags afterwards since there was no bolt head in the way. Thanks Lincoln St. Woodworks for this video tutorial. It was very helpful and inspiring.
I’ve used that lag bolt technique myself, and it’s my favorite way to do floating shelves. Amazing how strong the shelf ends up! Sometimes it’s hard to find those big lags in the right number locally. In those cases I used concrete form stakes. They are big metal spikes. You can slightly under drill the hole, then drive in the pointy end, and they’re not going anywhere. They even have little holes predrilled that you can use to secure the shelf with tiny screws. They are also usually cheaper than lags if you’re doing a lot…
If you don't want micrometal particles all over your kid's room, you can also use a hanger bolt. Use a Locking Pliers to twist it in place. I had to use a rubber mallet to bend the bolts to fit on my shelves which actually worked out because if your shelves fit perfectly, they tend to slip off the wall since there is no resistance.
@@Patrickitron My little wrinkle: I use run one lag in about 90% of the final depth and then out of the pilot hole in each stud to pre-thread it, then cut the hex heads off the lags (outside or in the shop) and use Vice Grips to install them as you do. For heavier shelves (like a solid timber mantle), I bend the lags up ever so slightly for a snug fit and to counter any tendency to sag .
I’m in a metric country but same thing should apply. I use 12mm threaded rod as it’s much cheaper and can be cut to any length. Drill a 10mm hole into the stud then the rod will cut its own thread twisted in with a pair of vice grips or an impact wrench if you clinch together two nuts. This way you don’t need to cut off the heads and if you cut the rod at the same length and use some tape on your drill bit when drilling studs you’re good to go.
How do you attach the floating shelf to the lag bolt? It seems like it is just held on by friction. I would be afraid a kid would pull it off by accident.
I just did my first floating shelves with integrated book reading lights last month and measured the studs wrong, almost had to rebuild the whole thing. This video would have saved me some time! Scribing and pushing out the not-so-square drywall is a great tip! They turned out great! It's refreshing to see a different brand miter saw for once!
I just bought a Flex Tool 12" miter saw recently, freaking love it! I've been very happy with their tools the last few years. Can't beat the lifetime warranty either.
I am so glad you left in your "how could I have possibly done that?!" moments. I've been a furniture repair and restoration technician for 15 years, and STILL have these moments more often than I am comfortable with. Seeing the innate fallibility of the human condition in others goes a long way to help keep my own sense of worth on the level. Please, for my own sake, keep up the excellent and never 'quite' perfect-the-first-time work!
Great info-taining video - again. Thanks. As far as making simple mistakes, you have a lot of comrades. Recently, I built my grandson a treasure box for his shelf which included a non-removable secret drawer with magnets to keep it closed. After I COMPLETELY finished the box, I realized I had installed the magnets with matching polarities. Instead of holding the drawer closed, they kept the drawer open. I knew better. I tried to fix it, but ended up cutting the box into pieces and starting all over again.
Always appreciate your videos! I don't understand the ego comments. You literally show us your mistakes to prove you're only human like the rest of us. Keep up the great work! 💪
I love the thin floating shelf you made for your daughter's room. Great hack on how to make those without spending a fortune on hardware. Also, thanks for sharing your goofs. Makes those of us without your level of skill feel much better about our screw ups. Cheers!
Great video and appreciate you showing the mistakes as well. I personally hate hanging anything on the walls. Seems like there is nothing that simple enough that I won’t run into a problem
I'm just a layman with a huge amount of curiosity who loves to build things, but I'm aware of a craftsman when I cross paths with one. What I enjoyed most about your video, aside from learning a lot, was your humility and self-deprecating humour in contrast to your obvious skills and creativity. An absolute inspiration, my friend. Festool?! Nice!
Great tips! I’ve done floating shelves a couple of times with a similar DIY hardware method except I used threaded rod with two nuts on the end and drove them in with an impact driver. The just removed the nuts.
Loved the video! Option #2 has a couple of shortcomings that would make me not use it: 1) There is no locking mechanism for the shelves so they can be pulled out. If the threads hold them in place, then it's a one time installation that can't be moved. 2) Taking off the head of the lag screws will make removing them that much harder. Probably not impossible but much more complicated then needed.
I commend you on sharing the difficulties of life and Better Help’s services. My sister has a channel for coaching Black entrepreneurs and she’s shared how trying maintaining a channel can be. So thank you for sharing your talent, your skills and your precious time. God Bless!
This was fun to watch. I enjoyed your comment about variables: "When variables are mandatory in a project, you have to figure out unique ways to remove opportunities for human error to creep in." Glad you are doing this full time.
Man, I know nothing about woodworking, have no tools at all, but I enjoy seeing woodworking videos on my off times, it relaxes me, and it's the same to a lot of other men that I know and asked to. Don't you ever think that your content doesn't reach people who need it and enjoy it, because it does. Thanks for your vids!
I can build floating shelves, but I watched anyway for the entertainment aspect. However... When it came to the stop block on the table saw rail, that was a smack myself on the forehead moment. What a great tip! So obvious, but completely overlooked. Thanks!
Stair tread guides, genius! Pro tip, on the 3rd shelves it is not necessary to “sneak up” on the internal frame. Just make it 1/16” narrower, don’t over think it, gravity only pushes down on the shelves 😊. Great video, as usual!
I like the way you show your mistakes-a lot of them edit them out for a flawless show. You are in the real world where being human we make mistakes. Keep up the good work.
I've installed floating shelves over the past few years, but learned a handful of tricks, maybe more, from watching this video. Thank you! Cut yourself some slack as this was awesome 👌.
I like that you kept your content going at the same time as your advertisement/sponsor recognition. You didn't waste anyones time, and as I was typing youtube T- bagged it with a comercial. 🙁
Another Wood Worker Commandment: Install an Incra TS-LS fence and you can move you fence anywhere and come back and make exact repeatable cuts weeks later if need be. One for router table too. Honestly, this fence is the best thing I have done to any of my tools. And yes, I have purchased other after market fences. Great vids, thanks.
I absolutely hate the youtube algorithm. Comment to boost it for myself and others. It hasn't showed me your videos for 6 months or more. I wish they would give us a "Channel Organization" system where you can group your channels into subject folders. Great video.
I love the intermediate idea! I put a pair in our kitchen for my wife and man I have an amazing system that came with the shelves to mount it, all welded etc..but I overpaid...I'd have done htis if I saw it first. Love it! I love your style and goofy humor too, I look forward to following along and learning some tricks from you!
Hey bud. I hope that almost all the time you go to sleep, knowing you are doing what you should be doing. One thing is for sure, we all know you should be here. You are clever, smooth talker, very skilled woodworker, and just as good of a teacher. I thank you for taking the chance at doing this. Amazing videos every time
Major props for method #2. I spent way too much money on a fancy floating bracket set from R***ler. Required custom drill bits too. After much sweating and swearing, it accomplished what method 2 did… for bathroom shelving. Nice job.
sorry I dont mean to be one of those know it alls and criticizing you! I have been installing cabinets and building cabinets for almost 30 years now so I am just sharing my advice not meaning to be critical. I think you do great work.
OK, I love the Stair Step Measurement guide idea. Never thought of that before, Love the 3 inch thick shelve and how you made the back fit the imperfect wall. Also showing your mistakes is very helpful - not that I would ever make a mistake myself. A lot of good material here.
I've been fascinated by "Floating shelves" since I read an article in a woodworking magazine long before we have the fancy equipment and computers we have today. That article showed a way to make a floating bed. I've no doubt most readers today can see how that might be done. The times that I've done floating shelves (Mantels) I've just gone through the room opposite the one I'm hanging it from. A simple drywall repair makes it look magical.
When working with drywall, I like using Wallabot to "see through" the walls to find wires, pipes, and studs. I don't use it often, but when I need it, it's great!
I appreciate you talking about the benefit of mental health treatment. I've always respect you as a woodworker and teacher and now even more as a person
Awesome. I saw a couple other videos and noone was just fitting a shelf over some big metal dowels like you did on the second shelf, and was like why not? Did I miss some obvious flaw? This is how I wanted to do it. Now I feel validated and confident. Thanks mate.
Your channel just popped up on my YT feed. YT must be reading my mind as I've been thinking about doing some floating shelves. (and, no, I' 've not searched for anything on the topic). I'm not a good woodworker, but I am good at visualizing something and building it without making any drawings or plans. I love your presentation, tips, etc. I build a lot of things from salvaged/scavenged materials, and my shop is more of a sculpture/fix-it shop, so figuring out ways to make something with the tools at hand is SOP. Thank you for putting the time and effort into making these.
I can’t tell you how much of a relief it is to see you have to do things over again. Thank you for including the mistakes! You do it in a funny way and it makes me and a whole bunch of other people like us feel better and continue in the craft. Mistakes are human! Thanks for a terrific channel 👊🏼😎
Just a tip I picked up from an awesome carpenter. Use allthread in place of your lag bolts. You can cut them to the exact measurement and hammer them into the studs. Marking your depth beforehand of course.
Excellent video! Finally a "real" person who shows that not everything goes as planned. Well done! Time to build my shelves now. Appreciate the insights.
I used the lag screw method on some floating shelves about 12-13 years ago. Instead of cutting the heads off, I slipped a piece of pvc pipe over the piece sticking out (before it was screwed into the wall, so the shelves slud over a little easier and it also automatically limits your depth when you screw in, based on how long of a pipe you use. Worked great, they were tested to about 100# each shelf.They’re still up today, as far as I know.
I’ve seen enough floating shelves videos, yours brought some new ideas and techniques with some nice entertainment! Keep up the good work and hopefully you’ll be rewarded in this cyber space.
Thanks for another very useful video. I wanted to put these shelves all over my house but when I looked at the cost of hardware I ditched the idea. The second method puts me right back in it. Can’t wait to tell my girlfriend. She was sad when I said I’m not doing it. Thanks brother.
The way I did it was: use simple 1/2" rods course-threaded their entire length, cranked in with a pair of nuts locked against each other, that I later removed. The rods, I had slightly bent at the middle to negate my drilling holes into studs not-quite-level (no dowelling jig!). The shelf could accommodate rods bent sideways but would obey the exact up/down of the rods, that are adjustable by rotating slightly as they are eccentric by design. Also, in lieu of dowelling jig, you can make your drill almost so vertically accurate as drill press like so: get a steel rod ~3', max diameter of your drill chuck, and clamp it plumb as you can. Then chuck your drill to it, and use epoxy to glue a "bullseye level" to the butt of your drill. In practice to drill very plumb you will rotate the drill 90 degrees several times while drilling a hole, to cancel your human error.
The shift over technique for getting true center of bolt markings! Genius! I have brackets already installed that are just cylinders out to insert into hole driled in the shelf just like this and thats gappens to be the enxt step of the project.
For your advanced build, theres a really awesome method to increase the strength by a huge amount. • Drill holes into the studs like your lagged shelf. • Use threaded ready rods to cut threads into those holes (you can leave it installed if you've already cut them to proper length) • Drill holes in your frame to accept the rods. • Anchor the frame with nuts and washers. The strength is incredible. With just two rods you could stack something like 10 bags of concrete on the shelf.
You can also use thread-end. I've used it here in the NL; in concrete walls and I just winged it with the same measurements in the wood; which actually helped me more than being a nuisance; since it made it lock in the wall and the shelf by pure tension; not needing something else to keep it in place. (Keeping in mind: Ours is a small shelve; in need of just a few kilos for decorative items. And being in a rental appartement; it needs to be removed without a hassle.) But I can imagine you could use it in wooden studs as well; maybe even with the right caulking(/glue); like hight-tack as an extra. Keep up the good work and stay true to yourself! Like others have said; you are very relatable to watch 👌 Michel Merx Dordrecht, Netherlands.
Good tips. I put up 5 floating shelves and spent a lot of money on hardware. It also took a lot of time. I'll try these tips next time when I build shelves for my neighbor.
Awesome job. I just finished a pair of floating shelves in my laundry room. I used the 3rd method here, constructing a frame and cut away some drywall. I only had 1 wall on the side to connect to, and the studs were annoyingly not 16" on center. I also chose to use a solid piece of hardwood for the front part of my 'burrito canoe".
Awesome video, Jon. I echo many of the comments below...really appreciate you including mistakes, which helps the commoner avoid them. Also, running the ad while still showing work is a good way to keep watcher's interest. Finally, providing three different options, based on skill level, helps to engage varying levels of watchers. You rock, dude! Keep doin what you're doin!
Great video. I came up with that lag screw technique about 10 years ago out of necessity. I recycled some 2 x 10 fir boards used in a cold room into floating shelves. I have used the folding miter technique also. It always looks so good when it all fits snug. Nice work.
This is perfect timing. I was looking to do some sturdy floating shelves for my cats so they can climb and have someplace high to go, and I think I can take some of what I learned from this video to make some! Thanks!
Great video and techniques. Love the stair tread guide. Great Makita tools. Best bang for the buck and will last forever! Some of my Makita tools are over 43 years old and still working great . Try using a belt sander to fine tune the wall scribe on the shelves. You can hold it horizontally or vertically. Vertically you can actually see the line. Learned that one from an old cabinet maker . Great channel, I will be back for more. Thanks
As a cabinet maker we are sometimes asked to make floating shelves to match the cabinets or mantels. We use a milescraft drillmate for the lags holes and miterfolded or hardwood edged shelves. You really only need two lags for these shelves. For wall to wall aplications we will use ledger on the three sides.
I just found, and love, this channel. most of it is beyond me and my capabilities but seems to be applicable to spark workaround ideas for my projects. personally, i like the fact you share mistakes. you do not let it sideline the video and shows us how to handle them. after all, who doesn't make mistakes. The smartest people i know are morons. They make mistakes and learn. thank you.
Absolutely amazing work. Very impressed. Felt sorry for you about the mess-up on the LED wiring but such is life and your recovery from it and end result came out super nice.
Best floating shelf is the LACK from IKEA bc it’s using low weight material and a single metal "fork" that needs to be bolted to the wall. The shelf itself will be pushed onto this fork (make it disappear).
Great video . I love that you actually show the mistakes made during the build cuz that does happen. I love watching your videos because they are way more about the realities that can happen when woodworking. 👍
This was quite possibly the best video I could have seen before starting my project. I am quite a beginner and I will keep your pro-tips in mind as I work on a floating desk and shelf’s for my office.
1st shelf support, I like. I made several shelves in my home. Good point is easy. Bad point is the support bends little bit. Last one looks very good. I want to be an expert like you.
The next-next level is to cut a recess in the bottom of the shelf to hide the bracket. Do the back one first, mock up, trace the bottom, cut, and you're done. You're doin' fantastic, man. Keep killin' it.
Nice job and some very good suggestions (tricks). I've done floating shelves before and run into issues with crooked or wavy walls and you solved these issues better than I did. Wish I had seen this prior to doing mine.
I love the lag screw idea! This will help me a lot when the studs aren't where I need them! Also, love the idea of making little viewports to check for wires and pipes! Thank you!
Love your channel... so glad you took this full time. have been watching since you were doing these every 6 months or so... I never get enough of your video's.. I know a little something about the re-work channel you and I should start at some point... Keep it up, you're doing awesome!
Great video. I viewed it for the first time. I enjoy seeing you as a regular Joe, struggling through the day with projects that do not go as planned (rarely do). Keep them coming!
Very well done video. Your design with a separate base from the cabinet box is genius! However, for a shop or garage with lots of drawers, the slide hardware cost is insurmountable. I made drawer boxes with a 3/4" bottom that was about 1" wider than the box, then used cleats inside the cabinet with precise spacing leaving a 3/4"ish space for the wider drawer bottom to slide in. Your presentation style is awesome, very interesting and I like that your embed your ads along with the video, nice.
10:06 For drywall, I use wood drill bits. They give a much sharper edge to the hole. The wall often explodes on me with metal drill bits or leaves a much bigger hole than a drill bit.
been doing the lag bolt method for many years. I have a piece of pipe on hand to slide over my lags once they're installed and heads cut that I can use to tweak them left/right, or up/down a smidge to account for any deflection, or depending on how oversized my holes in my shelf were I drilled. I will also take my cordless die grinder, or even a hand file to not only deburr the cut off end, but to bevel the edges, making sure they're smooth, so you don't get caught up on the sharp, square edges of the end of the lag. A small bead of loctite powergrab on back edge of shelf that meets wall surprisingly adds a bit more strength. I've made many of these for clients, both solid wood and hollow/torsion box style, some over 12 ft long.
Man, I've been hanging heavy things on all kinds of walls for 25 years and SHOCKED I've never seen that bolt method! I'll definitely use that in future!
If someone hasn't said it recently (If I had to guess, you've workshopped it already), I love the way you end videos. Short and sweet. I think you know your audience, sir. 👍
I won't ever be installing floating shelves because all my future shelves will be in cupboards with glass doors. This is still cool. And I respect how you make sure you're not sticking bolts into power cables or plumbing pipes before you start.
I've been a site carpenter for a long time and at the moment trying to do a bit more interesting designery type stuff for people. This is the first video I've watched on this chanel and I got to say I love your techniques and the fact you can be honest about the general daily cock ups.
Jon I love our videos and this one could not be more timely. I have a few piece of reclaimed American Chestnut that I am going to use for "floating" shelves. I have been trying to decide on the best method and now I know what I am going to do. Thanks again for your great work (and for including all of the "oops")
Buddy, whenever you wonder if that is the correct profession for you: I am an amateur woodworker from Germany. Yes, I have lived in Canada for one year (in Kingston, ON) so I am able to follow english speaking channels, but other than that I just appreciate your presentation of very relatable woodworking challenges AND solutions for not 100% perfectly setup woodworking shops (or whatever that's called). You are instantly likable, relatable (is that even a word???) and are an important part of my woodworking inspirational routine. Please don't doubt yourself! Kind regards from Germany!
Thanks for the kind words. I greatly appreciate it
Your English is better than most native speakers/writers. I was blessed to live in Germany right after I graduated from high school. I worked for the US army at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center. I was a ski instructor and worked for the Moral Support Division! Vacation with pay! Cheers, Prost, from Seattle!
Yes, relatable is a word. I commend you for your excellent English.
Your English is way better than those that voted for brexit
As below, thanks for not editing out mistakes made on builds. Most of what I (we) learn is from mistakes made and also adds a bit of entertainment at your cost..😂
Happy to suffer for everyone else!
I love the feather board and 44.8 degree tip on the long miters. I spent so much time fixing a gap because I just sent it through without much consideration at 45 degrees without much consideration.
You acknowledging and not editing your mistakes.. makes you more real.. and actually makes it more inspiring ..
This is my first video watching....
And I'm subscribing ... look forward to see more..
@@HeyLookWhatICanDo I did one of my baseboards in master like this recently. Of course I messed up the last 45 degree cut (don't have great tools just electric hand saw and a steady hand). Not looking forward to it. Need to figure out how to scribe the opposing angle I need or I'll spend more time fixing a gap.
AMEN!
It also humanizes people we view as professionals...which is nice : ]
Here's a tip for the lagbolt style. Take a rip of plywood of any thickness and dbl stick tape it to the wall where you want the shelf. Align the top of the plywood where the top of the shelf will go. Drill holes and thread lags into the wall. Cut-off heads, now remove plywood and you have a template for the shelf with bolt locations
That’s brilliant
IF I had all of the tools and machines that this guy has, I wouldn't need to watch a video. Sheesh!
You can actually just use cardboard
@@thomassosa2957yeah really any scrap you have around that's long enough, even a piece of poster board or whatever would work just fine
easier said than done. I have tried this way and if you are off AT ALL with the holes you drill in the shelf or the lags in the wall the shelf will be crooked and you cant really do anything to fix it. you need to have the lags perfectly straight and level. its not a bad idea at all I am just saying it is trickier than you might think! I prefer making my shelves hollow inside so there is an opening the whole length on the back side which gives you a lot more wiggle room. I also add a cleat to the wall so it is attached to the cleat so it cant slide around then the steel holds it up. I use L shaped brackets cut the drywall away, attach the brackets directly to the stud then the shelf can slid on to the part that is sticking out. it does require drywall patching after but I have never gone wrong with this method and it is very strong! also if there is going to be backsplash , tile or shiplap going on the wall those cut outs can be covered up without any drywall repair. I do love the lag idea I have just had issues before where I am just ever so slightly off on angle or levelness despite all my efforts and it turns into a real circus trying to make it right after.
As always, thank you for the insights, the ideas, but also the humility and the humanity. I feel like so many of the woodworking channels are so far beyond my skill level that even though I love to watch them, I can’t relate to their work. But when I watch yours, I can see myself in you. Thank you.
Thanks I appreciate that
I can see myself if I work hard and gain lots of skill that I don't currently have.
Nice looking shelves! Pro tip on the installation of the second set. Put down a drop cloth when you're cutting the bolts down unless you like shiny bits of metal in your carpet.
especially if using an angle grinder!!
@@dwwoodbuilds I'm hoping John's mention of using an angle grinder in a finished space was a joke. A less ridiculous option would be a sawzall with a metal blade. But a portable bandsaw (like John used) is easiest.
_The second best thing about this video is the self-deprecating humour. The first is your woodworking skill. Thank you._
Thanks!
Agreed!
Shouldn’t that be “shelf-deprecating humour”?
@Grimm.Wraven 😂
@@Grimm.Wraven HA. I love a good groaner.
I can’t deal that a floating shelf video is so interesting and I even learned something. How dare you combine entertainment and education. 😂 great video really.
Thanks bud
yewh. he crushed it. great video
In most woodworking videos, I'll pick up one or two tips that make it into my notes, but I got five solid tips from this one. Great work!
Greetings fellow humans, I also have a tip for the lagbolt style shelves. The shelves I built were a bit smaller and I used 5/16” lag bolts. I cut the heads off the lag bolts before threading them in to the wall and simply chucked them in to my drill to drive them in to the wall. This had 2 advantages that I perceived.
1) it allowed me to make the mess of sparks and metal shavings in my basement at the bench vise instead of in my kitchen.
2) It allowed me to use the doweling jig to help keep things straight when i drove the lag bolts in because i could simply slide the jig off of the lags afterwards since there was no bolt head in the way.
Thanks Lincoln St. Woodworks for this video tutorial. It was very helpful and inspiring.
I’ve used that lag bolt technique myself, and it’s my favorite way to do floating shelves. Amazing how strong the shelf ends up! Sometimes it’s hard to find those big lags in the right number locally. In those cases I used concrete form stakes. They are big metal spikes. You can slightly under drill the hole, then drive in the pointy end, and they’re not going anywhere. They even have little holes predrilled that you can use to secure the shelf with tiny screws. They are also usually cheaper than lags if you’re doing a lot…
great tip!
If you don't want micrometal particles all over your kid's room, you can also use a hanger bolt. Use a Locking Pliers to twist it in place. I had to use a rubber mallet to bend the bolts to fit on my shelves which actually worked out because if your shelves fit perfectly, they tend to slip off the wall since there is no resistance.
@@Patrickitron My little wrinkle: I use run one lag in about 90% of the final depth and then out of the pilot hole in each stud to pre-thread it, then cut the hex heads off the lags (outside or in the shop) and use Vice Grips to install them as you do. For heavier shelves (like a solid timber mantle), I bend the lags up ever so slightly for a snug fit and to counter any tendency to sag .
I’m in a metric country but same thing should apply.
I use 12mm threaded rod as it’s much cheaper and can be cut to any length.
Drill a 10mm hole into the stud then the rod will cut its own thread twisted in with a pair of vice grips or an impact wrench if you clinch together two nuts.
This way you don’t need to cut off the heads and if you cut the rod at the same length and use some tape on your drill bit when drilling studs you’re good to go.
How do you attach the floating shelf to the lag bolt? It seems like it is just held on by friction. I would be afraid a kid would pull it off by accident.
I just did my first floating shelves with integrated book reading lights last month and measured the studs wrong, almost had to rebuild the whole thing. This video would have saved me some time!
Scribing and pushing out the not-so-square drywall is a great tip! They turned out great!
It's refreshing to see a different brand miter saw for once!
Thanks Tyler!
I just bought a Flex Tool 12" miter saw recently, freaking love it! I've been very happy with their tools the last few years. Can't beat the lifetime warranty either.
I am so glad you left in your "how could I have possibly done that?!" moments. I've been a furniture repair and restoration technician for 15 years, and STILL have these moments more often than I am comfortable with. Seeing the innate fallibility of the human condition in others goes a long way to help keep my own sense of worth on the level.
Please, for my own sake, keep up the excellent and never 'quite' perfect-the-first-time work!
You were meant for this John...totally engaging, entertaining and educational ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Much appreciated
Points for your Dad for being there and helping in a way that is legitimately helpful!! I am a fan.
Great info-taining video - again. Thanks. As far as making simple mistakes, you have a lot of comrades. Recently, I built my grandson a treasure box for his shelf which included a non-removable secret drawer with magnets to keep it closed. After I COMPLETELY finished the box, I realized I had installed the magnets with matching polarities. Instead of holding the drawer closed, they kept the drawer open. I knew better. I tried to fix it, but ended up cutting the box into pieces and starting all over again.
Always appreciate your videos! I don't understand the ego comments. You literally show us your mistakes to prove you're only human like the rest of us. Keep up the great work! 💪
I love the thin floating shelf you made for your daughter's room. Great hack on how to make those without spending a fortune on hardware. Also, thanks for sharing your goofs. Makes those of us without your level of skill feel much better about our screw ups. Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
Lag bolts you cut the heads off may be more available that fully-threaded rod that works as well.
I really appreciate you showing the real work during the advertising slot. And not a clip from the sponsors.
-- Selangor, Malaysia
Thanks!
Great video and appreciate you showing the mistakes as well. I personally hate hanging anything on the walls. Seems like there is nothing that simple enough that I won’t run into a problem
I'm just a layman with a huge amount of curiosity who loves to build things, but I'm aware of a craftsman when I cross paths with one. What I enjoyed most about your video, aside from learning a lot, was your humility and self-deprecating humour in contrast to your obvious skills and creativity. An absolute inspiration, my friend. Festool?! Nice!
Great tips! I’ve done floating shelves a couple of times with a similar DIY hardware method except I used threaded rod with two nuts on the end and drove them in with an impact driver. The just removed the nuts.
Loved the video! Option #2 has a couple of shortcomings that would make me not use it:
1) There is no locking mechanism for the shelves so they can be pulled out. If the threads hold them in place, then it's a one time installation that can't be moved.
2) Taking off the head of the lag screws will make removing them that much harder. Probably not impossible but much more complicated then needed.
Mate, promoting therapy on a woodworking channel is fantastic!
I hope you're feeling better.
Remember, BetterHelp sells your data to outside companies 😊👍
I commend you on sharing the difficulties of life and Better Help’s services. My sister has a channel for coaching Black entrepreneurs and she’s shared how trying maintaining a channel can be. So thank you for sharing your talent, your skills and your precious time. God Bless!
Me: Looking to find a video to help me sleep
Also Me: Oh Snap a new Lincoln St video, sleep can wait >_>
This was fun to watch. I enjoyed your comment about variables: "When variables are mandatory in a project, you have to figure out unique ways to remove opportunities for human error to creep in."
Glad you are doing this full time.
Great video as always! And good luck to future John trying to get those bolts back out of the wall at some point during a remodel 😂
A vise grip should do the trick
If used cheaper rod threaded full-length, a pair of nuts locked against each other would put it in and take it out.
I believe a pipe wrench would work for removing the bolts. With a slight flat ground into the headless bolt, a strong drill in reverse might work too.
@@Stuart68505Yep, chuck the bolts up in a 1/2" Milwaukee drill & pull 'em right out!
Man, I know nothing about woodworking, have no tools at all, but I enjoy seeing woodworking videos on my off times, it relaxes me, and it's the same to a lot of other men that I know and asked to. Don't you ever think that your content doesn't reach people who need it and enjoy it, because it does. Thanks for your vids!
I can build floating shelves, but I watched anyway for the entertainment aspect. However... When it came to the stop block on the table saw rail, that was a smack myself on the forehead moment. What a great tip! So obvious, but completely overlooked. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Stair tread guides, genius! Pro tip, on the 3rd shelves it is not necessary to “sneak up” on the internal frame. Just make it 1/16” narrower, don’t over think it, gravity only pushes down on the shelves 😊. Great video, as usual!
Yup - realized that after
Okay but can these shelves hold the weight of your ego?
Give him a break. He's funny
His ego gives us interesting videos. Your ego gives us snide Karen comments. 🤔
Wait. I just look at your page. Aren't you his friend that he's featured before? Are you just breaking his chops?
@@JRaymer315 haha yes we are friends
@@WoodcraftBySuman ohh alright. Nevermind then haha
I really respect that you left your mistakes in the video. It made it feel SO relatable.
Lol, house walls in U.S are not tough.
Mine withstand far stronger winds/ tornadoes than anything the UK sees.
The 2nd one is very strong. With all kinds of wall. Except drywall with thin metal frame.
Ignorant average American 😂
The UK doesn't get tornados 😁
I like the way you show your mistakes-a lot of them edit them out for a flawless show. You are in the real world where being human we make mistakes. Keep up the good work.
I've installed floating shelves over the past few years, but learned a handful of tricks, maybe more, from watching this video. Thank you! Cut yourself some slack as this was awesome 👌.
I like that you kept your content going at the same time as your advertisement/sponsor recognition. You didn't waste anyones time, and as I was typing youtube T- bagged it with a comercial. 🙁
Another Wood Worker Commandment: Install an Incra TS-LS fence and you can move you fence anywhere and come back and make exact repeatable cuts weeks later if need be. One for router table too.
Honestly, this fence is the best thing I have done to any of my tools. And yes, I have purchased other after market fences.
Great vids, thanks.
I absolutely hate the youtube algorithm. Comment to boost it for myself and others. It hasn't showed me your videos for 6 months or more. I wish they would give us a "Channel Organization" system where you can group your channels into subject folders. Great video.
I love the intermediate idea! I put a pair in our kitchen for my wife and man I have an amazing system that came with the shelves to mount it, all welded etc..but I overpaid...I'd have done htis if I saw it first.
Love it! I love your style and goofy humor too, I look forward to following along and learning some tricks from you!
Hey bud. I hope that almost all the time you go to sleep, knowing you are doing what you should be doing. One thing is for sure, we all know you should be here. You are clever, smooth talker, very skilled woodworker, and just as good of a teacher. I thank you for taking the chance at doing this. Amazing videos every time
Major props for method #2. I spent way too much money on a fancy floating bracket set from R***ler. Required custom drill bits too. After much sweating and swearing, it accomplished what method 2 did… for bathroom shelving. Nice job.
yeah those kits are ridiculous - this is so much stronger + easier
Just spent a billion hours frantically searching for this video having watched ages ago and having no use for it, wife now wants floating shelves.
sorry I dont mean to be one of those know it alls and criticizing you! I have been installing cabinets and building cabinets for almost 30 years now so I am just sharing my advice not meaning to be critical. I think you do great work.
OK, I love the Stair Step Measurement guide idea. Never thought of that before, Love the 3 inch thick shelve and how you made the back fit the imperfect wall. Also showing your mistakes is very helpful - not that I would ever make a mistake myself. A lot of good material here.
Get excited when I see you upload a new video. I really like your honesty on projects. Makes it more real and relatable. Please dont stop. Cheers
I've been fascinated by "Floating shelves" since I read an article in a woodworking magazine long before we have the fancy equipment and computers we have today. That article showed a way to make a floating bed. I've no doubt most readers today can see how that might be done. The times that I've done floating shelves (Mantels) I've just gone through the room opposite the one I'm hanging it from. A simple drywall repair makes it look magical.
When working with drywall, I like using Wallabot to "see through" the walls to find wires, pipes, and studs. I don't use it often, but when I need it, it's great!
I appreciate you talking about the benefit of mental health treatment. I've always respect you as a woodworker and teacher and now even more as a person
Awesome. I saw a couple other videos and noone was just fitting a shelf over some big metal dowels like you did on the second shelf, and was like why not? Did I miss some obvious flaw?
This is how I wanted to do it. Now I feel validated and confident. Thanks mate.
Your channel just popped up on my YT feed. YT must be reading my mind as I've been thinking about doing some floating shelves. (and, no, I' 've not searched for anything on the topic). I'm not a good woodworker, but I am good at visualizing something and building it without making any drawings or plans. I love your presentation, tips, etc. I build a lot of things from salvaged/scavenged materials, and my shop is more of a sculpture/fix-it shop, so figuring out ways to make something with the tools at hand is SOP.
Thank you for putting the time and effort into making these.
I can’t tell you how much of a relief it is to see you have to do things over again. Thank you for including the mistakes! You do it in a funny way and it makes me and a whole bunch of other people like us feel better and continue in the craft. Mistakes are human! Thanks for a terrific channel 👊🏼😎
thanks David! trust me there is more that doesnt even make the video
Just a tip I picked up from an awesome carpenter. Use allthread in place of your lag bolts. You can cut them to the exact measurement and hammer them into the studs. Marking your depth beforehand of course.
Excellent video! Finally a "real" person who shows that not everything goes as planned. Well done! Time to build my shelves now. Appreciate the insights.
I like floating shelves but I definitely learned the most about dealing with non-squared walls. Good stuff.
man, thanks for showing your tips and tricks for free. The last shelf fitting perfectly into an uneven wall (which most of the walls are) is amazing.
I am a very experienced woodworker but found this video extremely helpful. Thank. You!
Glad it was helpful!
I used the lag screw method on some floating shelves about 12-13 years ago. Instead of cutting the heads off, I slipped a piece of pvc pipe over the piece sticking out (before it was screwed into the wall, so the shelves slud over a little easier and it also automatically limits your depth when you screw in, based on how long of a pipe you use.
Worked great, they were tested to about 100# each shelf.They’re still up today, as far as I know.
I’ve seen enough floating shelves videos, yours brought some new ideas and techniques with some nice entertainment! Keep up the good work and hopefully you’ll be rewarded in this cyber space.
Thanks for another very useful video. I wanted to put these shelves all over my house but when I looked at the cost of hardware I ditched the idea. The second method puts me right back in it. Can’t wait to tell my girlfriend. She was sad when I said I’m not doing it. Thanks brother.
The way I did it was: use simple 1/2" rods course-threaded their entire length, cranked in with a pair of nuts locked against each other, that I later removed. The rods, I had slightly bent at the middle to negate my drilling holes into studs not-quite-level (no dowelling jig!). The shelf could accommodate rods bent sideways but would obey the exact up/down of the rods, that are adjustable by rotating slightly as they are eccentric by design.
Also, in lieu of dowelling jig, you can make your drill almost so vertically accurate as drill press like so: get a steel rod ~3', max diameter of your drill chuck, and clamp it plumb as you can. Then chuck your drill to it, and use epoxy to glue a "bullseye level" to the butt of your drill. In practice to drill very plumb you will rotate the drill 90 degrees several times while drilling a hole, to cancel your human error.
The shift over technique for getting true center of bolt markings! Genius! I have brackets already installed that are just cylinders out to insert into hole driled in the shelf just like this and thats gappens to be the enxt step of the project.
For your advanced build, theres a really awesome method to increase the strength by a huge amount.
• Drill holes into the studs like your lagged shelf.
• Use threaded ready rods to cut threads into those holes (you can leave it installed if you've already cut them to proper length)
• Drill holes in your frame to accept the rods.
• Anchor the frame with nuts and washers.
The strength is incredible. With just two rods you could stack something like 10 bags of concrete on the shelf.
For me the levels you went to were; simple enough with a touch of intermediate to hard to wtf. Man your experience shows so much. Loved the video
Thanks!
You can also use thread-end.
I've used it here in the NL; in concrete walls and I just winged it with the same measurements in the wood; which actually helped me more than being a nuisance; since it made it lock in the wall and the shelf by pure tension; not needing something else to keep it in place.
(Keeping in mind: Ours is a small shelve; in need of just a few kilos for decorative items.
And being in a rental appartement; it needs to be removed without a hassle.)
But I can imagine you could use it in wooden studs as well; maybe even with the right caulking(/glue); like hight-tack as an extra.
Keep up the good work and stay true to yourself!
Like others have said; you are very relatable to watch 👌
Michel Merx
Dordrecht, Netherlands.
Good tips. I put up 5 floating shelves and spent a lot of money on hardware. It also took a lot of time. I'll try these tips next time when I build shelves for my neighbor.
Awesome job. I just finished a pair of floating shelves in my laundry room. I used the 3rd method here, constructing a frame and cut away some drywall. I only had 1 wall on the side to connect to, and the studs were annoyingly not 16" on center. I also chose to use a solid piece of hardwood for the front part of my 'burrito canoe".
thats a sturdy burrito canoe
That measuring tric for the bolts = awesome! I hope to remember it when I get into such a situation again. The last three look fantastic!
Awesome video, Jon. I echo many of the comments below...really appreciate you including mistakes, which helps the commoner avoid them. Also, running the ad while still showing work is a good way to keep watcher's interest. Finally, providing three different options, based on skill level, helps to engage varying levels of watchers. You rock, dude! Keep doin what you're doin!
Great video. I came up with that lag screw technique about 10 years ago out of necessity. I recycled some 2 x 10 fir boards used in a cold room into floating shelves. I have used the folding miter technique also. It always looks so good when it all fits snug. Nice work.
This is perfect timing. I was looking to do some sturdy floating shelves for my cats so they can climb and have someplace high to go, and I think I can take some of what I learned from this video to make some! Thanks!
Great video and techniques. Love the stair tread guide. Great Makita tools. Best bang for the buck and will last forever! Some of my Makita tools are over 43 years old and still working great . Try using a belt sander to fine tune the wall scribe on the shelves. You can hold it horizontally or vertically. Vertically you can actually see the line. Learned that one from an old cabinet maker . Great channel, I will be back for more. Thanks
As a cabinet maker we are sometimes asked to make floating shelves to match the cabinets or mantels. We use a milescraft drillmate for the lags holes and miterfolded or hardwood edged shelves. You really only need two lags for these shelves. For wall to wall aplications we will use ledger on the three sides.
good stuff
I just found, and love, this channel.
most of it is beyond me and my capabilities but seems to be applicable to spark workaround ideas for my projects.
personally, i like the fact you share mistakes. you do not let it sideline the video and shows us how to handle them. after all, who doesn't make mistakes.
The smartest people i know are morons. They make mistakes and learn.
thank you.
The right amount of humor along with helpful tips as well as showing your mistakes is why I like your channel. Keep it up!
Loved the simplicity and strength of the lag bolt idea. The continuous grain shelves looked great too!
Thanks!
Absolutely amazing work. Very impressed. Felt sorry for you about the mess-up on the LED wiring but such is life and your recovery from it and end result came out super nice.
Dude, you're good enough for this. There are enough of us subscribed that will watch whatever you put out so long as you're putting some effort in.
I appreciate that!
Best floating shelf is the LACK from IKEA bc it’s using low weight material and a single metal "fork" that needs to be bolted to the wall. The shelf itself will be pushed onto this fork (make it disappear).
Confirmed. The content of a *Lack* shelve is a comb-shaped structure of carton, similar to those of a door leaf…
Great video . I love that you actually show the mistakes made during the build cuz that does happen. I love watching your videos because they are way more about the realities that can happen when woodworking. 👍
I did option 2, but used 1/2 galvanized gas pipe to hold an 80 in rough cut live edge mantle. Fit like a glove 👌🏻
This was quite possibly the best video I could have seen before starting my project. I am quite a beginner and I will keep your pro-tips in mind as I work on a floating desk and shelf’s for my office.
1st shelf support, I like.
I made several shelves in my home.
Good point is easy. Bad point is the support bends little bit.
Last one looks very good. I want to be an expert like you.
The next-next level is to cut a recess in the bottom of the shelf to hide the bracket. Do the back one first, mock up, trace the bottom, cut, and you're done. You're doin' fantastic, man. Keep killin' it.
Nice job and some very good suggestions (tricks). I've done floating shelves before and run into issues with crooked or wavy walls and you solved these issues better than I did. Wish I had seen this prior to doing mine.
That last "fold-over" shelf is top-notch. Achievable, clean and simple but looks like it was made by a pro.
The woodworking dream: Norm Abram. Dovetails. Fine furniture. The woodworking reality: planter boxes. Bird houses. Martha Stewart.
Been waiting for someone to design those brackets for years now. Great alternative to the older floating shelf style.
I love the lag screw idea! This will help me a lot when the studs aren't where I need them! Also, love the idea of making little viewports to check for wires and pipes! Thank you!
Love your channel... so glad you took this full time. have been watching since you were doing these every 6 months or so... I never get enough of your video's.. I know a little something about the re-work channel you and I should start at some point... Keep it up, you're doing awesome!
Great video. I viewed it for the first time. I enjoy seeing you as a regular Joe, struggling through the day with projects that do not go as planned (rarely do). Keep them coming!
Very well done video. Your design with a separate base from the cabinet box is genius! However, for a shop or garage with lots of drawers, the slide hardware cost is insurmountable. I made drawer boxes with a 3/4" bottom that was about 1" wider than the box, then used cleats inside the cabinet with precise spacing leaving a 3/4"ish space for the wider drawer bottom to slide in. Your presentation style is awesome, very interesting and I like that your embed your ads along with the video, nice.
10:06 For drywall, I use wood drill bits. They give a much sharper edge to the hole. The wall often explodes on me with metal drill bits or leaves a much bigger hole than a drill bit.
been doing the lag bolt method for many years. I have a piece of pipe on hand to slide over my lags once they're installed and heads cut that I can use to tweak them left/right, or up/down a smidge to account for any deflection, or depending on how oversized my holes in my shelf were I drilled. I will also take my cordless die grinder, or even a hand file to not only deburr the cut off end, but to bevel the edges, making sure they're smooth, so you don't get caught up on the sharp, square edges of the end of the lag. A small bead of loctite powergrab on back edge of shelf that meets wall surprisingly adds a bit more strength. I've made many of these for clients, both solid wood and hollow/torsion box style, some over 12 ft long.
Man, I've been hanging heavy things on all kinds of walls for 25 years and SHOCKED I've never seen that bolt method! I'll definitely use that in future!
If someone hasn't said it recently (If I had to guess, you've workshopped it already), I love the way you end videos. Short and sweet. I think you know your audience, sir. 👍
Thank you!
🇨🇦 Awesome my friend. Nice to have a handy dad in the back pocket too! Great videography btw ❤
Love the wrap around grain on the last set of shelves! Fantastic work all the way around. Thanks for taking the time to produce this video.
Glad you liked it!
I won't ever be installing floating shelves because all my future shelves will be in cupboards with glass doors.
This is still cool. And I respect how you make sure you're not sticking bolts into power cables or plumbing pipes before you start.
I've been a site carpenter for a long time and at the moment trying to do a bit more interesting designery type stuff for people. This is the first video I've watched on this chanel and I got to say I love your techniques and the fact you can be honest about the general daily cock ups.
Jon I love our videos and this one could not be more timely. I have a few piece of reclaimed American Chestnut that I am going to use for "floating" shelves. I have been trying to decide on the best method and now I know what I am going to do. Thanks again for your great work (and for including all of the "oops")