Thanks! I am thinking 1 of the crosses will come up with small bodied black panda guppies. I have no idea what the other way will be. I'm pretty sure the moscow males genes are very dominant in crosses but the moscow females not so much.
@@DGrey that's the "fun" of sex-linked traits and genetics...reverse the sexes but still cross the same two strains and you may get 2 totally different looking fish!
The weird outcomes are the exact reason I have been doing the crosses both ways lately. Truly amazing what is passed on by a female but not by a male of the same strain.
The axolotls...those stinkin' cute, weird little faces. The moscow/pingu cross is really interesting, looking forward to updates to see what all you get. 👍💕👍
@@DGrey just a question.. how long do you expect your guppies to live for...I have a few that are about 2 years..the rest are maybe 12 to 14 months maybe older..years ago I would expect my guppies to live nearer 3 years..but I am starting to find the odd dead male from my older batch of fry..to me it seems the yellow ones are not strong as my other fry..have you noticed that some fish are stronger than others.
The smaller bodied guppies live longer, maybe 2 years or so. The ifga type strains peak out at 6 to 9 months and maybe live to be a little over a year.
@@DGrey most of my Yellow males are around 14 months... their father is still with us he is coming up for two their mother is also alive she is nearly 2. ...but I do find the odd dead male..
Great update...can't wait to see what those albino black moscow's end up being. Would be cool if males..I had 1 fry from my half black blues that was solid black. At first when I seen it I thought the darn thing was a black molly...it didn't make it past a week old...never did swim right. But it was solid jet black..and on the other hand I have different fingers too. lmao
Thanks! Prior to black moscows, you couldn't have a fish that was solid black. They'd be cancerous and die. The color of moscows is different and full black fish are possible. I'm assuming the colors are on a different gene in moscows. I've obviously watched too much mystery science theater 3000 in my life.
Can we get a updated please & thank u ..on the black female Moscow cross to the pink pinggu Male .& the other cross black Moscow male cross to pink pinggu female. .whenever you get a chance you really inspire me
The Pingu male x Moscow female fry look at LOT like the Panda fry that just got dropped from my Panda pair. 😊 I'm very interested to see how both crosses work out! I'm considering using a Pingu female for a cross into my Panda male/Panda line. I feel that with using just the females and back crossing to Panda males it could add some size and genetics but not dilute things too much. And absolutely fascinating getting the Albino fry from the Black Moscows. It will be very interesting to see how they grow out and the offspring they and their siblings produce.
Thanks, that makes me feel better like maybe this worked already. That is the difficult part in trying to improve a line, not diluting it or messing it up.
@Chewy Ltd From what I understand, Panda is Moscow x Pingu. Also, I believe Moscow is sex linked male, so you need the Moscow Male to create the Black panda phenotype. But it depends on the genetics of the strains. I'm not sure about Pingu. I think it's Pink and Half Black, but beyond that I'm just not sure. I need to research it more.
Alan Bias has some interesting articles on Pandas and Pingus on his blog that I've found helpful. And skimming some Philip Shaddock stuff. But Pingus are a new interest for me, so I need to learn more about them and what went into their development.
Talking about Moscow crosses Doug. Would you know if l breed a Purple Moscow to a HB Red Rosetail would that give me some HB Purples bonus would be with Rosetail. l heard it would just wondering if you know as l was going to set up a tank and try. And also plan to breed the Green Moscow in the same type of breeding to get HB Greens again bonus Rosetail. l believe it will but just wondering if you know.
Thank you for watching! I haven't tried anything with rosetails. If you use the purple moscow male that should be dominant. Crossing a moscow with an hb female might end up giving you some all black bodied males like I got with the moscow crosses. I have found that the colors with the crosses don't seem to give us the colors we'd expect as if we were mixing crayon colors. When I crossed a hb pastel to a blue delta I didn't get half black light blue, I got some hb males with a pastel tail and spots in it.
Thank you for watching! I wasn't getting what I wanted out of the pingu/black moscow cross so I gave up on it for now, needed the open tanks. I will try it again when I have some open tanks.
Hi Scott. I think what happens is you get rid of the worms with the treatment and then the next round of them comes out. They must lay eggs inside the digestive tract and need to be treated again. I'd try the threatment you are using and then repeat it 2 weeks later. I've used the medicated flakes, it's easier.
Albinism does occur on its own in nature. 20% is pretty high, but there may have been something going on with recessive genes in both parents, who are, after all, related. The mutation would have to have occurred in the grandparent generation or earlier.
As I said in a reply to another person's earlier comment, I have had this line for 12 years. This particular tank is the 1 where I've been working on getting the female dorsal fin much longer. There is probably a connection there somehow, no matter how odd it sounds.
Proper care of guppies? If so yes, I have a couple more but haven't put any auctions up of them yet. The current price of the book seems to have zoomed up to over $80.00 and I didn't feel comfortable putting an auction on there for more than $50.00.
Thank you for watching! I'm doing a similar cross again with full black moscow to panda female. This was the result from the black moscow X pingu cross. th-cam.com/video/wCr1B6wcvBo/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for watching! I use small tanks for crosses and also for new guppies I receive. Those are 2 & a 1/2 gallon tanks. For breeding trios or up to 3 pair of guppies I use 5 & a 1/2 gallon tanks. The grow out tanks are 10 gallons. I like the smaller tanks because the male has an easier time catching up to the females.
Thank you for watching! If it was after the 5 minute mark of the video the black moscow female was in with pink pingu males. The black moscow male was in with pink pingu females. The beginning of the video was the 2 axolotls.
put the to albino black moscow guppies in there own tank and feed them the very best fish food that you have this will give them the very best chance of survival
Most likely both mom and dad are heterozygous for albinism. With such a small gene pool you would think that albinos would show up more often though. Cheers, Chris (New Sub)
Thanks very much!! I'll see what the babies develop to look like. I'm assuming any others that were born in the prior years probably got eaten since they just kinda lay at the bottom at first :)
D Grey I wish you did man Ive been trying to get good black Moscow’s all year ordered 3 trios now that had lack luster females and a lot of DOA one case of worms. I just got some from LRB aquatics a week ago that are very healthly but plain females yours are awesome
Thank you for watching! I'll be redoing that cross soon as I have free tank space. I had to eliminate some crosses when I received the all red albinos and red lace snakeskins.
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When those little fry are all grouped up and staring at the camera... sooo cute, I’m excited to see how they turn out!!! :)
I noticed that too, kinda wild, unless my head looked like food!
Cool albino black moscow 😍
Very grate opportunity to maintain a new line "albino black moscow". Looking forward in the few months update. 😍
Thanks very much!! I'm looking forward to seeing what they will look like too.
can't wait to see how they turn out as adults, congrats!
Thanks! I am thinking 1 of the crosses will come up with small bodied black panda guppies. I have no idea what the other way will be. I'm pretty sure the moscow males genes are very dominant in crosses but the moscow females not so much.
@@DGrey that's the "fun" of sex-linked traits and genetics...reverse the sexes but still cross the same two strains and you may get 2 totally different looking fish!
The weird outcomes are the exact reason I have been doing the crosses both ways lately. Truly amazing what is passed on by a female but not by a male of the same strain.
Nice crosses. I had an accidental cross recently and F2 fry just appeared. Eager to see what I have in that generation Thanks Doug
Thanks, that's great! I hope you get something interesting out of it.
The axolotls...those stinkin' cute, weird little faces.
The moscow/pingu cross is really interesting, looking forward to updates to see what all you get.
👍💕👍
Thanks! I never knew these things even existed until January 2018.
Happy Memorial Day to you as well. Yet another great video. You are my go to guru as I am learning more and more about breeding guppies.
Thanks KensDen!! Sometimes I ramble, I'm glad you can hang with that until I say something sensible :)
Thanks for the update. Looking forward to see how the fry differ from same but different crosses :)
Thanks!! I don't know what to expect form the female black Moscow to pingu male. That may just look strange.
You always have such lovely fish...looking forward to seeing those babies grow..
Thanks Lily! I hope all is well with you and yours'
@@DGrey just a question.. how long do you expect your guppies to live for...I have a few that are about 2 years..the rest are maybe 12 to 14 months maybe older..years ago I would expect my guppies to live nearer 3 years..but I am starting to find the odd dead male from my older batch of fry..to me it seems the yellow ones are not strong as my other fry..have you noticed that some fish are stronger than others.
The smaller bodied guppies live longer, maybe 2 years or so. The ifga type strains peak out at 6 to 9 months and maybe live to be a little over a year.
@@DGrey most of my Yellow males are around 14 months... their father is still with us he is coming up for two their mother is also alive she is nearly 2. ...but I do find the odd dead male..
You are obviously doing a fantastic job with them!!
Great update...can't wait to see what those albino black moscow's end up being. Would be cool if males..I had 1 fry from my half black blues that was solid black. At first when I seen it I thought the darn thing was a black molly...it didn't make it past a week old...never did swim right. But it was solid jet black..and on the other hand I have different fingers too. lmao
Thanks! Prior to black moscows, you couldn't have a fish that was solid black. They'd be cancerous and die. The color of moscows is different and full black fish are possible. I'm assuming the colors are on a different gene in moscows. I've obviously watched too much mystery science theater 3000 in my life.
Very nice update. Can't wait to see how the Albinos turn out.😁
Thank you very much, I'm already staring in to that tank too much!
Pink eyes too
Yes, quite cool.
Can we get a updated please & thank u ..on the black female Moscow cross to the pink pinggu Male .& the other cross black Moscow male cross to pink pinggu female. .whenever you get a chance you really inspire me
Thanks for watching and for the idea! I will update them.
Those axolotls are so cuteee😢😍
Thanks, they are very cool!
@@DGrey yeah
The Pingu male x Moscow female fry look at LOT like the Panda fry that just got dropped from my Panda pair. 😊 I'm very interested to see how both crosses work out!
I'm considering using a Pingu female for a cross into my Panda male/Panda line. I feel that with using just the females and back crossing to Panda males it could add some size and genetics but not dilute things too much.
And absolutely fascinating getting the Albino fry from the Black Moscows. It will be very interesting to see how they grow out and the offspring they and their siblings produce.
Thanks, that makes me feel better like maybe this worked already. That is the difficult part in trying to improve a line, not diluting it or messing it up.
It'll take a couple months to see what I end up with. I'm interested to see how different the next generation will look in each of the 2 crosses.
@Chewy Ltd From what I understand, Panda is Moscow x Pingu. Also, I believe Moscow is sex linked male, so you need the Moscow Male to create the Black panda phenotype. But it depends on the genetics of the strains. I'm not sure about Pingu. I think it's Pink and Half Black, but beyond that I'm just not sure. I need to research it more.
Alan Bias has some interesting articles on Pandas and Pingus on his blog that I've found helpful. And skimming some Philip Shaddock stuff. But Pingus are a new interest for me, so I need to learn more about them and what went into their development.
I heard that the albino black moscows will be pinkish.
I'm expecting if I get any males, they will be a sky blue albino. Just a hunch.
looking great brotha
Thank you so much!
Totally had 1 albino come out of a 20 fry drop from my blue dragons. Weird.
That is Really cool! Last year I saw someone in Asia that had albino dragons so you could be on your way to coming up with that.
Talking about Moscow crosses Doug. Would you know if l breed a Purple Moscow to a HB Red Rosetail would that give me some HB Purples bonus would be with Rosetail. l heard it would just wondering if you know as l was going to set up a tank and try. And also plan to breed the Green Moscow in the same type of breeding to get HB Greens again bonus Rosetail. l believe it will but just wondering if you know.
Thank you for watching! I haven't tried anything with rosetails. If you use the purple moscow male that should be dominant. Crossing a moscow with an hb female might end up giving you some all black bodied males like I got with the moscow crosses. I have found that the colors with the crosses don't seem to give us the colors we'd expect as if we were mixing crayon colors. When I crossed a hb pastel to a blue delta I didn't get half black light blue, I got some hb males with a pastel tail and spots in it.
Any update on the adults?
Thank you for watching! I wasn't getting what I wanted out of the pingu/black moscow cross so I gave up on it for now, needed the open tanks. I will try it again when I have some open tanks.
How do you get rid of worms if you have them in you guppy's. Mine keep getting wasting disease
Hi Scott. I think what happens is you get rid of the worms with the treatment and then the next round of them comes out. They must lay eggs inside the digestive tract and need to be treated again. I'd try the threatment you are using and then repeat it 2 weeks later. I've used the medicated flakes, it's easier.
I am using Anti-parasite quad flake from Everything Aquic it has levamisole and praziqrantel in it
I haven't heard of the brand but that is the chemicals you want to use. If the fish clear up in a week then I would re-dose them in 2 or 3 weeks.
Hi there what state are you in I. Interested in some fish
Thank you for watching! I'm in Pennsylvania.
Albinism does occur on its own in nature. 20% is pretty high, but there may have been something going on with recessive genes in both parents, who are, after all, related. The mutation would have to have occurred in the grandparent generation or earlier.
As I said in a reply to another person's earlier comment, I have had this line for 12 years. This particular tank is the 1 where I've been working on getting the female dorsal fin much longer. There is probably a connection there somehow, no matter how odd it sounds.
Curious if you still have any copy of the guppy bool thats no longer being published? I see you sell it on aquabid every once in a while.
Proper care of guppies? If so yes, I have a couple more but haven't put any auctions up of them yet. The current price of the book seems to have zoomed up to over $80.00 and I didn't feel comfortable putting an auction on there for more than $50.00.
What was the outcome?
Thank you for watching! I'm doing a similar cross again with full black moscow to panda female. This was the result from the black moscow X pingu cross. th-cam.com/video/wCr1B6wcvBo/w-d-xo.html
how many gallons ur tanks?
Thank you for watching! I use small tanks for crosses and also for new guppies I receive. Those are 2 & a 1/2 gallon tanks. For breeding trios or up to 3 pair of guppies I use 5 & a 1/2 gallon tanks. The grow out tanks are 10 gallons. I like the smaller tanks because the male has an easier time catching up to the females.
Im breeding a black with a sata clous male guppy..... I already had fry, what do u think it will be?
That sounds great! If you use a moscow female the male santa claus guppy's genetics will be more dominant. You'll have some varieties though.
Please upload cross breed guppies
Thank you, which ones do you want to see?
Which fish are there in that tank not guppy starting of that 2 fish together your selling that fish
Thank you for watching! If it was after the 5 minute mark of the video the black moscow female was in with pink pingu males. The black moscow male was in with pink pingu females. The beginning of the video was the 2 axolotls.
My balck moscow drop lot of albinos. Why is that?
Thank you for watching! That is cool, it's in the back round of the males and females you are using for breeders.
Ok so how do I do that
What is the dimensions of your tank
Hi, the tanks that the pingu/black moscow crosses are in are 5 & a 1/2 gallon tanks. In inches they are 16 long, 8 inches wide and 10 1/2 inches high.
@@DGrey thank u sir..
Do you sell these? 😍
Thanks for watching! I sell some fish on aquabid under seller id greyd
put the to albino black moscow guppies in there own tank and feed them the very best fish food that you have this will give them the very best chance of survival
Thanks very much, will do!!
Hello, I want to buy some of your Guppies. How do I order from you?
Thanks Patrick! Some of them are on aquabid right now my seller id is greyd
Most likely both mom and dad are heterozygous for albinism. With such a small gene pool you would think that albinos would show up more often though.
Cheers,
Chris (New Sub)
Thanks very much!! I'll see what the babies develop to look like. I'm assuming any others that were born in the prior years probably got eaten since they just kinda lay at the bottom at first :)
Do you have a website
Hi thanks for watching! I do not have a website but I'm thinking about getting 1 done.
D Grey I wish you did man Ive been trying to get good black Moscow’s all year ordered 3 trios now that had lack luster females and a lot of DOA one case of worms. I just got some from LRB aquatics a week ago that are very healthly but plain females yours are awesome
Sorry that you have had some issues. I'll put dome auctions back on aquabid once the 90 plus degree days are over with around here.
Pls I’d love to bye same fish off you
I really want the Moscow big ears
HI Thank you! I sell them on aquabid.com under greyd seller id
Hello sir, do you have link for the update
Thank you for watching! I'll be redoing that cross soon as I have free tank space. I had to eliminate some crosses when I received the all red albinos and red lace snakeskins.