How to Install Super SMOOTH Pocket Doors!
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Most people have had a terrible experience with pocket doors in their life. In the build show today we are going to compare a "standard" door to a "bomber" one. Also, going to show you the install start to finish!
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They just compared a product to something that 1/3 of the cost (LE Johnson 1500), not even close to an "apples-to-apples" comparison. Need to do better if you're going to present product comparisons with integrity. LE Johnson's HD200 and HD400 products all use ball bearing rollers and have tracks that better carry the weight of larger solid core interior doors for the custom homes I work with and they have the soft-close option as well. And they'll still be less than Cavity Sliders. I sell both Cavity Sliders and LE Johnson, and Cavity Slider is only really needed when we get into moving 9' wide by 7' tall pocket doors (moving small walls). Cavity Sliders has a great product, strong and durable, but not needed for standard operations of a bathroom door. If you want to pay that much extra so that you can remove a pocket door without a wrench, go for it! I love Cavity Sliders, but most people don't need to pay that much extra when there's a great middle ground. I'm not an LE Johnson rep, I work at a custom home dealer supply. I just didn't like the comparison here of a really high end product to the lowest end product when there's a great middle ground.
3:40 he says they’re not even comparison.
The price difference where I buy my doors is much different, $109 for the Johnson 1500 and $1247 for the cavity slider.
Soft close option would be cool
Thank you. As someone who knows nothing about pocket doors, trying to decide where to spend the money on our renovations, this helps a lot!
This book is Awesome! I love the Lean-To-Shed the most (page 98). The plan th-cam.com/users/postUgkxe9yi0sulKgsp0VJJCIrLWWkvVqcU7LFR is to attach it to the back of my brick house. I also like how they walk you through the many different steps of construction, which is important for the less experienced like me.
You are absolutely correct, it’s all about the material first and then the installer. I installed a 28” pocket-door for the first time, about a month ago and already noticing some flaws. I wished I would have found your video first. Thanks for posting, your work and content is absolutely great .
CS doors have been available in New Zealand for 20-30 years. They are a fantastic product and the market leader here. Their handles for pocket doors are equally as great, with really good templates to make for an easy install process.
Awesome. Your videos are so helpful. We’re doing our first remodel starting this week and I’m learning about a ton of good products. I hate pocket doors but only know the cheaper ones from your video. I’m totally going to use this on our remodel!! Thank you!!
I like to think these videos will help to make a better generation of builders. Kids who were interested in being a builder and learning the right way to do things.
Out of all the people I see doing this kind of work. I dont see any standard of quality. That goes for big national companies to the local "handyman". And the average joe doesnt know the difference between qualities so they keep calling the same people back. Its disgusting. No matter where I go i cant help but look at floors, tile, paint edges, or drywall corners, etc. And think how I would do it different or how bad it looks. Its a shame.
Thank you! Comparing products and talking long term maintenance issues is a HUGE help, especially for renovation newbies.
Man I love that soft open and close. Nothing beats a well installed pocket. My house was built in the early 70s with a well built pocket door that so far hasn’t needed any maintenance at least in the last 2 decades.
YES!!! Perfect timing sir, just started a bathroom remodel and yesterday when I was working I wondered if you had a pocket door video.
You have just installed the best off the shelf pocket door hardware the world. This in not only a quality product but it's idiot proof to assemble and install. 20 minutes is typically what it takes to assemble the frame and hang it it the opening and another 15 to hang the door and adjust the soft close mechanism. Great company, great people.
Thanks Scott!
So glad you did this vid now. I will be installing pocket doors in a couple months. Finding good hardware can be difficult - you saved me the trouble 👍
What is important is Matt knows what a good job is. Many contractors just aren't this involved.
Nice! Never heard of these in over 40 years in the biz. May need to spec. these on my next project.
My dad and I just built the frame for a 24 in. pocket door we're putting in an RV we're building. Even though we're not using a fancy aluminum frame like this - i love the idea of the foam at the back of the unit to soften the blow of the door as it goes back in. I'm definitely going to incorporate that idea into the door as we're still in the open frame portion of the build!
This is absolutely!!!!!!! Amazing I love the fact that you Pay attention to detail and the fact is that you love doing things the right way the first time and no cutting corners! You don’t turn a square into a circle.
I don't think the million cycle testing is excessive, I've told my kids a million times to CLOSE the DOOR!
that's because children have brain damage.
LMAO, man that's a horrible Dad joke and I love it!
This setup would make me reconsider pocket doors.
I am building my own home and had 6 pocket doors spec'ed. Now I can't unsee this video. Guess I will be installing these because I am a quality hound.
Excellent video! My girlfriend works for one of the nation’s largest builders, and it just upsets me when that they don’t even use pocket doors....let alone quality hardware like this.
I think most people would be willing to pay more if they understood what they are getting for their money. Thanks Matt!
Because they are way more problematic than a traditional door. And they don't want callbacks.
What are the benefits of a pocket door over a standard door? Can they be locked too?
thaitichi, benefits? You don’t have to consider the area that you need for traditional door to swing. It takes a lot of room. Plus, a pocket door just looks neat and tidy.
skliros, because builders use shit materials to work-with. Improve your materials and craftsmanship! See Europe. They’ve got it figured-out. America used to be the best. We are far far from it now.
@@tjam4229 that's mostly because Americans want cheap and easy. They don't want to spend more for Quality. So that's what gets produced.
Homeowner: I also specified and purchased the pull handle inserted in to the door. At the very beginning of this video is the hardware style. A push button to pop the handle out.. Two or three fingers can grasp the handle to pull the door open. My wife had arthritis. The most prevalent big-box style is a thin brass hook which hurts fingers. I intentionally paid big bucks. It is worth it.
Do you have the part number for the handle you're talking about? I'm considering installing a pocket door, and would like that hardware as well, it'll make things easier for my mom. Thanks for sharing.
The pocket looks super reliable. I’ve worked on a lot of 1950-1960s homes that had so many issues with these doors. Nice product
I rented a Victorian place that had had pocket doors that had obviously fallen out at one point, and because the landlord was cheap they just didn’t bother to replace them, just leaving the empty cavities and a gaping doorway. I guess nobody maintained them. Maintenance is also important.
Was thinking of installing a pocket door in my remodel. Thanks to this video i now realize that i should avoid overly mechanized systems due to cost and longevity. Nothing beats a door and hinge !
Fantastic video as usual. Very detailed, clear and the value explained. Well done and thank you.
- EXCELLENT info ! ! ! Thanx for sharing. Nothing better than putting quality products in one's home.
Thanks for the great video. I am in the process of installing a pocket door to my son's house and now I know exactly what to get. I'll be purchasing a Cavity Sliders door! Great hardware.
I bought a house 2.5 years ago, first house, in CA @ 29 years old. I have a pocket door for the master bathroom that rubs in the middle a bit. Thanks for this video and all the education you provide.
I love your commitment to quality! Need more builders like you in this country!
It is refreshing to see a quality item such as the Cavity Slider door reviewed and more importantly, the reasons for using/installing a good product ONCE rather that a poor cheap product REPEATEDLY. Unfortunately homeowners often say "we saved a fortune by getting low cost pocket doors" in the early years, but soon complain about the cost of repair or replacement of the poor quality low cost pocket doors a few years later. The cheap product replacement labor costs alone far exceed the "cost savings" in the beginning. It is sad that for most people, a "DEAL" out weighs Quality in almost everything. Thank you for posting. My work as a renovator is almost 100% repairing or replacing failed low quality products and dealing with poor installation. Take care!
Will be hitting up BMC for these on our new build in Dallas - been worried about the pocket doors on the plans already - and now I'm actually excited instead!! Thanks for the video Matt!
Thank you so much for this deep dive. I liked your older video but I knew there would be newer products out there! Thanks again!
Very nice product. Building a house now and went to the website to spec out my needs. Price for a standard 3'0" 6'8" came out to $1,100. I"m afraid that's outside the budget! Wow... Wish I could justify the expense.
Y'all need to add this to the Real Rebuild playlist! I was going through that whole 57 video list trying to find this as I am getting pocket doors in a remodel soon.
3:25 You misread the script: it was "if something fails on this 20 or 30 years down the road, you will still be able to buy and cheaply/easily replace this hardware"
lol
"Cavity Sliders" sounds like a nightmare dental product.
“Cavity Sliders, where we smoothly penetrate your opening”
either that or candy from white castle
My old prison name
Adult toys.
Hahaha touché
Excellent presentation brother.
If I only have the budget for the Johnson pocket door hardware, I require my clients to get the soft-close add-on. The carriages that come with the soft close system have ball bearings
I love the soft close units, but, they don't seem to work real well with really heavy doors which we install alot. At least they hold the door tight to jamb and in pocket. Saves some ghosting issues
David Ceremony I have that system in my house and really like it. The soft open and close add to its functionality. Make sure to install both before drywall. I made the mistake of not installing the soft open first and you can’t get to it once the drywall is in. Had to pull the sheet down and add it in.
My only complaint is the wobble side to side when moving. It might be worth it to set up glides on the inside of the frame some how.
I just finished an installation with the Johnson hardware. I really liked the ability to add plywood between their studs for blocking/support. Guessing I could probably do the same with cavity sliders, but I haven't looked to see if they have the specific clips available for that.
Johnson has some really high quality pocket door kits, just avoid their light weight kit rated for 150lbs doors. Granted my doors are all under 125lbs, but I still use their 400lbs kits because the rollers and tracks are so much nicer.
Brilliant how the trim pops off like that! I really wish my Hafele hardware had that.
Great video Matt I've been building for several years and have about seen it all, love your videos keep it up
Hello, Sir, could you please tell me how thick does the wall have to be to install the pocket door?
Very interesting I always hated pocket doors due to the noise and wiggle etc. This looks like a good option.
Wow! I never knew they made a high quality pocket door! Very nice option. Thanks for sharing this!
the Johnson brand is much nicer than the 'standard' one he showed
Nice product, nice sales job. Will definitely be looking to use at the next opportunity.
Great video. I always appreciate what you do. It's the old "Cry Once" cliche' when it comes to doing things right. Thanks again.
These are nice pocket door frames and appreciate your channel. I looked at them before my purchase and decided to get something less expensive but still USA made and good quality. In a remodel, I'm using a 2x6 interior wall between MB and master bathroom 36"x80" door and decided with a pocket door to minimize a swing door being in the way of accessing either rooms. The final decision was with Johnson 2x6 Wall Framing 1560SC Series Soft-Close Pocket Door Frame, ball bearing rollers and metal frame.
I'm looking at doing same thing you did, except I'm using 2"x4" wall. I'll be installing a 36"x80" pocket door, building a master bedroom for my mom. How are you liking your door? Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome, frame Kit arriving today, I have the rough opening ready, we’ll see how the installation goes. It has to be plumb, level and square.
awesome video, Thanks Matt for the video! I will definitely check these guys out for my Reno.
Please do!
Thank you for doing the research and all the hard to showcase these products to. By doing so, we are able to make an informed decision on what and how to build. God bless.
perfect timing! going to install a pocket door in a hall doorway to a bathroom and bedroom that I rent out. this system will be perfect knowing it will withstand the renters.
I build the pocket walls with 2x lumber turned sideways when possible. It only adds 1" and eliminates the wall shake when using the kits (also allows 2" nails and 1 1/4" screws). Angle braces (top & bottom) and pocket screws on the mid-wall bracing and you'll have a pretty strong wall. A kerfed board for a bottom track with a matching pin in the door bottom also helps the keep the door from scraping the walls and eliminates the exposed slot on the door slab. The heavy duty hardware is a must along with a soft close and a soft stop bumper. That system is pretty nice, but probably a bit more than most customers would agree to. Thanks for sharing.
oh god, so deep in details which I'm looking for long...thx
Have installed too many of those cheap ones...never have been satisfied with the finish product. These look great!
Those are beautiful! If you want to come to West Texas and retro fit a couple of these into a 60s house, you’re more than welcome to! 😁
Wow timely video! I will be ordering a pocket door system this week, install in 3 weeks, definitely giving them a strong consideration, after all its my own house
Glad it was helpful! Good people at Cavity Slider. Wish you the best on your project. Matt
Great video, so much detail.
Used Sliding glass patio doors can be turned into awesome pocket doors.
You put mirror tint on one side and wallpaper on the other.
Love the content! Very helpful.
AWESOME! Going to put these in my basement. Expensive, but SO worth it.
I've been thinking about doing 4 retrofit cavity sliders. What a nightmare! Finding a builder to do this where I live during Covid. I really like the soft open/close idea.
I bought three of these after watching this video. Really happy I did,
I have 4 original pocket doors in my house that was built in 1905. Attaching a piece of weather stripping to the back edge of the door works very well. I replaced the rollers in 1979 when I bought the house, and again in 2016 when I reconditioned the interior of the home. The most important parts of any installation : Who is doing it is #1, and the quality of materials being used is #2. The CS frame is awesome, but so is top choice select lumber. Also, if your going to use aluminum, why not spot weld instead of screw the parts in place.
I truly love your attention to details and how you explain things, you are just like Enez Yilmazire and am forever Grateful subscribing to your channel and his channel too. You guys are the best and shout out to Chikis Krulsawat and Danny Lush and Darren. Darren u are keeping it real. Shout out to Mattbangwood
A earth magnet to catch the door open. I like to set the door glide back 1/2 and not expose the notch in the bottom of the door. Good product, I am familiar with Hafele. Thank you sir.
Excellent video. The cavity slider seems the way to go.
Thank you Matt this is really good to know and we can show it to customers so they understand why to pay extra and what the difference really is. Great job. Yes we are subscribed and also like this video. Painters will also love it because they can remove the door and spay it in the garage instead to do it onsite. Could you look for a good quality extension level. We still be looking around for one which fit the budget but also is high quality. We found Stabila but cost like $300 and we found Empire for about $100 and a interesting fordable from Bosh for $150...
Extruded aluminum is always very good to be used. Especially for Saw's as guides and stands but now as a Pocket good is really a nice strong feature. Especially in wet areas I think the aluminum will shine even more.
Ask Kyle at RR Buildings about a good extension level: th-cam.com/channels/WXEQsK3UiHszjwgGN5HUeQ.html
Awesome work! The difference is staggering !
I love pocket doors. I can see the difference thank for that video
Terrific! I'm sold.. now to go see if i can even get them.in Tucson...lol
the good thing to see this clip is learning something but the CS pocket door cost raised after this show clip
These internal cavity sliders, leak air like crazy down here in OZ, Matty. None of the houses down here have warm attic spaces. Some of them, when you blower door test @ 50Pa, they automatically close. Pretty neat home feature.
Thank you for the information.
Sweet...now I love pocket doors again!
Awesome stuff Matt! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
Thanks Fred. Always appreciate your support! How long have you been watching my channel now? Sure appreciate your comments. Matt
@@buildshow Thanks Matt, I appreciate your appreciation and all of the great info that you share, not sure exactly when I came across your channel, but I think it's been at least two years that I've been following along. 😃👍🏻👊🏻
I loooove pocket doors! i have them in both my home.
i'm sold. definitely seems like a better, lasting solution for pocket doors
I want pocket doors like on Star Trek. Especially with the swishing noise. :)
You can have that with supermarket doors. The sound could be on a chip. On the show, a stagehand was responsible for manually opening the door, using a rope on a pulley. The "whoosh" was added to the soundtrack later. In a couple of shows, you can hear the plywood door dragging on the studio floor. The sound editors missed fixing that.
Star Trek.. exactly me too heheheheheh
if u find "Star Trek" doors.. let me know okk smiles
Yuuup!
Business idea!!! I like it!
Definetly buying this thanks!
It's nice to read the comments and see all the builders who actually give a damn talking about showing this kind of stuff to customers and seeing if they are willing to pay for the quality. As much money as I spent with things I upgraded during my build (all on my own research, my builder never offered any sort of 'quality' advice, I now know he just doesn't care), I sure wish I had known about the pocket door hardware importance as I have 11 pockets doors with the basic crap frames. The doors themselves are nice and I picked really nice lock/pull hardware, but unfortunately 2 of the 11 have scraping issues.
Good , informative video 👍👍
My "en suite" is 48x54 not counting the 30x30 shower bumpout. Perfect candidate for a pocket door. Even though I'd have to tear out the wall this looks like it would be worth every agonizing minute of the process.
In the 1960s into the '90s there was a very good pocket door frame with heavy duty hardware including the hanger rolled system available to lumber and millwork dealers. My company sold well over 200 of them without a complaint. One of the things we recommended to our builder and architects was to use a 2 x 6 wall to install pocket door frames that way we didn't have worry about the drywallers missing the frame and having a drywall screw hit the opening for the door.
On this system, I really like the heavy duty rollers and the guide at the bottom. I can see why this frame costs 3 times more. The soft close system looks great.
You said "heith" @1:20 lol. I've only noticed this phenomenon with only a few people in my life but it gets me every time! Awesome video, sir :)
A couple of upgrades to the standard door like a padding in back and groove in the bottom would be fairly easy.
You'd still have a cheap (in quality and price) carriage and flimsy track. That said - if I install another builder-grade slider, I'm stealing that foam bumper idea and replacing the nylon stop button with a couple layers of neoprene.
@@jeffeverde1 I don't see the sponge lasting for more than a couple of years before it either rots or collapses due to the pressure of the door leaning on it. The trick is replacing it. I am from the school of simplicity and easy access and maybe using an off the self soft closing mechanism like this one is a better alternative?
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First you have to train framers to use levels and a tape measure
Ha ha ha
I've yet to encounter a square and level house....
What do you nail the trim into? Will nail gun nails 16/15ga penetrate the metal? Glue it onto the drywall? Use trim screws into the metal? What is cavity sliders recomendation?
Thanks,
Yes, I agree, spending more money to buy better quality material or products make the difference in time.
Quality in! Quality out!
You're basically in the advertising business. I use heavy duty track and rollers and make the 1 3/4" doors run in a 2 x 6 wall with two by lumber on the flat each side. Very substantial.
Good video enjoy the details
The most important thing he said was that the person doing the final door install was the same person who installed the track system.
Thank you for sharing this.
Really good.Really pretty.
Great video. I bid on a job last week. While not a pocket door job, my work compared to others is like comparing CavitySlider to standard pocket door hardware. I was a couple of hundred more. I didn't get the gig. People don't care. They'd rather cheap out and complain later when having to repair it.
Wow, thanks for showing this...As a remodeling contractor, for even longer than you, :)...I've always HATED pocket doors...I try to avoid them at all cost, but; I like that cavity assembly...State of the art hardware...I found a place near me that carries them..
This looks amazing! But what happens when that foam decides to crumble 😉
I’d love to see a video of how your guys did the dry wall and trim out for this pocket door…
Great video! I'm in need of installing some pocket doors in my basement where space is limited, however there is one area in which I have some lower hanging ductwork. Is it possible to cut down the pocket door framing and door by a couple inches?
Nice door, when we remodeled our old house in CA Pocket doors were not allowed for bedrooms or bathrooms. I believe the reason was if the fire got into the wall cavity it could disrupt the ability for the door to open properly.
Paul
Really like the comparison of these doors!
Not sure how I feel about the skinny jeans though.
@bobekfpj right out of the box with zero modifications though?
The aluminum frame and not relying on the header is amazing to me. I have a pocket door that I am removing soon. Over time (1950s home) the header has shifted about 1/4 inch making the wall not as plumb as it once was. Now the door does not sit parallel in the pocket and rubs like mad. This would not have happened if it wasn’t tied into the header.
Aka you're jealous you can't rock stylish jeans??😂😂😂
He looks good in those jeans. We all know he's a big guy and everything is, well, in proportion. Lots of women and gay men are in construction, too!
Man this is way better than the wood ones !!!
Very nice system!!
Getting ready to install one, thanks for making such an in depth video on this! I despise cheap hardware! If I'm just a homeowner building on my own, can I still buy one?
Give Gilbert an extra beer for his efforts, he rocks!
Agreed! Love Gilbert!