Which Side is More "Ideological?"
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I've been watching you since the beginning Jared. I really love all the editing work you put into this video. One of the best video essays I've ever seen.
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I’ve always been fascinated about how the most ideological centrists and moderates see themselves as and their worldview as inherently non-ideological and rational.
I've been fascinated about people thinking they can find the "right way of living", from ideologies.
All big ideologies are nothing but utopian thinking, and if followed dogmatically, they all become dystopian, every single one of them.
I'm fascinated by the US, since in the US there's always large ideological groups and fights between them. The US really seems to love it's ideologies and to fight over them in perpetuity, while very little change at federal level ever occurs.
I can only speak for myself, but as a moderate that loathes the extremes of right and left I think the thing that separates ideologues from non ideologues is certainty. Ideologues are just as self righteous as the worst religious zealot. There is no changing their dogma because it has become their divine text that cannot be doubted, let alone edited. It’s not possessing beliefs that makes one an ideologue. It’s being possessed by beliefs that do the job.
@@FINNSTIGAT0RHaving ideas about how better to organize society most often results in a better society. The end of history never arrived and will never arrive until the heat death of the universe. I don't understand the view of the centrist who looks upon an imperfect world and denies that improvements can or should ever be made. We would still be in caves and dying of numerous unspeakable diseases if that were the opinion humanity settled upon early on in its history.
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Where do you get the idea, that a more moderate view couldn't lead into a better society? Ideologies in my opinion are an obstacle in making changes, when people start to follow their ideologies like they're more important than actual results. With ideologies there always comes utopian thinking, the thinking that a blueprint for a better tomorrow has been duscovered and now it just needs to be implemented, then all will be better. In actuality no such thing exists, never has, never will.
It's good to have certain principles, but otherwise everything else should be open for discussion, as what's good for one is not that for other.
Societies change because of many external and internal factors, and to tie yourself to an ideology, which has been made at a certain moment under the circumstances of that time, to me it just seems silly.
And here I'm talking about BIG ideologies, like communism, laissez-faire capitalism, anarchism, libertarianism, islam, fundamentalist christianity etc.
I couldn't align myself to a spesific idrology even if I tried, as my views are from the right and the left, I have conservative and progressive views. I'm not religious, but I see how religion is part of humanity as a whole.
Exactly. They're really no different than how most political ideologues portray themselves. 😎
I think ideology and Heidegger's concept of "thrownness" are closely linked. Any being born into this world will seek to orient itself. That drive to find orientation or balance is potent because you can't ever feel "good" until it's resolved. Ideologies provide a path toward an individual's sense of worldly balance. Maybe a "balanced" world means mother earth is pleased. Maybe it means the individual ought be higher up in the pecking order. Regardless, each individual usually grows up with a sense that they've been brought into this world by pure incident, but the trajectory of their life is not incidental. I figure most people gravitate toward ideologies for mostly the same reason - it's easier than coming up with your own. Ideologies are just a convenient shorthand when one pursues that feeling of orientation after being "thrown" into being.
Even without a rift or polarization everything that is human thought subsumes into ideology, and slinging it as a dirty word to describe the perverse worldview of your opposing tribes reveals an ignorance of your own biases and worldview. That Bush speech sure shows plenty of that ignorance and Fukuyama's prediction about the state of the world and its history couldn't had been more wrong because his tenets were, unbeknownst to him, ideological.
Probably the best legacy that the nascent metamodernist philosophy will leave is the understanding that ideology shapes the myths and narratives that we tell ourselves even in the absence of competing worldviews.
This was a amazing essay Jared, thank you. And thank you for introducing me to Zizek's "big other" idea. I have had a very immature version of this idea myself for years, and have been looking for where I could read more about it. I knew somebody else had to share this concept
Finally! Now I understand my discomfort with modern politics. It’s no longer a group of people coming together to produce an environment conducive to the most well being in society. It’s “turf wars” between two (or more) sets of ideological lenses. It’s also why I don’t quite get the obsession with the word “woke” and why I don’t think “woke” is a thing just like I don’t think “great again” is a thing either. I don’t think “cancel culture” is a real concept either. To me it’s all just thought stopping code for people who want to “own the libs” or visa versa.
Thank you for this channel Jared; I followed you from your Wisecrack days, and am grateful for your content. You provide nuanced, thoughtful, and intellectually honest critique that distills real insight into the issues plaguing us today… without the ideological cheerleading that usually accompanies such discourse.
This is heavily ideologically driven
Most of the world are just children disguised as adults. Regardless of political affiliation or class systems most people behave as school children trying to fit in, and that usually involves putting someone(s) else down to feel good about yourself, or feel better about yourself to take off heat. I agree when you say both sides just make fun of the other rather than do something about it. In my experience talking to most people I have notice a grey area or one in the middle. Few are on extreme opposite sides. They become annoying. The other if you will doesn't have to be a diety telling us what to do or be our overlords. I believe they are to be our guides. A good guide, cuz the what I see is not leading by example as how you said, talk about helping the poor, but not doing it.
the truth is we arenot children. its worse. We are Apes, pretending to be more then Animals despite evidence
When speaking between Christian's, marxists, liberals, netizcheites, etc. I find the term worldview is better than any other. Religion is a worldview with particular emphasis on supernatural reality. Political ideology is a worldview with particular emphasis on politics realities. Worldviews emerge from economic, political, cultural metaphysical pillars, as in Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind by Yuval Noah Harari.
I agree with "they live", everyone is and ought to be aware of the lenses we wear. You can't not have a worldview, you can only negotiate as best you can across belief systems, always open to abandon one lens for another that illuminates the world better, and lays its ideas flat on reality the best.
this raises the question: can one wear multiple lenses at the same time?
You can use logic to evaluate the quality of the arguments for different world views. This will help you arrive at an overall world view that is much closer to the truth.
Jared, please never stop. This is top quality stuff
I still dont understand how these essays are so good, Happy holidays to you as well Jared
Jared, your recent content has genuinely made me reconsider who I actively listened to within the media landscape and to some extent reconsider many positions I may have once held. Cheers!
Great to see you making videos again. This was A+
First time seeing one of your videos. This was great. The line about “an authoritarian hole in your heart” was spot on. Great job.
Network? Fukuyama? Zizek?
This video tickles my fancy.
Love the videos Jared!! Glad to see you still making content after wise crack these always give me a lot to think/ talk about
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This is some of the best quality content on the internet. Fantastic vid.
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Thank you Jared, I watched that interview with Dawkins after watching your video since I too grew up with him and regard him highly. I think both theories have some truth to it, the substitution theory and the big other. I would also argue that the effects of a big other got exponentially bigger through social media, you are literally watched and monitored all the time, at least in your perception. And the younger you are, the more that is the case.
Jared with the theory essays. I'm here for it
this video is some of the most profound shit i've ever found on youtube man, the amount of reasoning you can cram into 15 minutes is just amazing man, keep up the good work!
by the way, what book would you recommend on the subject of that consummerist invisible ideology?
edit: I talked to jared over instagram and he recommended the consumer society by jean baudrillard
You could just go straight to the source and read Slavoj Žižek's "The Sublime Object of Ideology" from 1989.
Not sure I buy your point that ecologists/environmentalists have a God like relationship with their "big other" because it is in the best interest for all life on Earth since the health of our ecosystems directly affects the health of the people. It's not about moral concepts like those in the Ten commandments but more about not shitting where you eat and live. Instead our economic systems necessitate and encourage short term profit seeking and short term thinking at the detriment to human and environmental health.
Ecologist here. No spirituality necessary. It's just science. I have colleagues across the entire political spectrum.
I agree,liberals aren't upset about climate change because it makes Gia's tummy hurt or whatever, they're worried about things like drought and crop failure. Same for The Christian side.
Half the animal and plant species on earth dying out would barely affect our health. It's a bad thing that I don't want, but not for that reason.
Yeah I left a similar comment here about this. I don't really agree with him at all and think it's a bit both-sides-y.
@@Lilliathiit would certainly affect all of our mental health. Or is that not health?
It will deeply affect our ability to learn and grow by studying the natural world, too. Doesn't that result in stagnation in Healthcare? Do you have any idea how many major advancements have been made by studying some random feature of some totally obscure little dirt worm or some random blue octopus thing? So all that potential progress can literally go extinct before your very eyes, and that... Doesn't mean much for your health?
My friend, I'd have a heart attack. I don't know how you think or reason, it's alien to me
I unsub'd from Wisecrsck shortly after you left. It didn't feel the same. I suppose there's a parallel there with this video.
It wasn't so much about following you (or a Jaredian ideology) but rather the worth or enjoyment I got from the videos which I felt was less subsequently; no more earthling cinema and thug notes as just two examples.
Glad that you're making new videos here. You got yourself a sub.
Its great to see how much you have grown since Wisecrack. I stopped caring about that channel close a while before you departure, The fallacies and half-truths were quickly mounting to a difficult content to truly benefit from. This however was deeper and better positioned. I'm impressed. for all that its worth, coming from the mouth of a random someone.
This is my first time seeing a video of yours; loved it!
I hope these videos are reaching a wide ideological spectrum.
Omg its jared from wisecrack! Man this was so good im gonna listen twice :)
Big fan 😄
The biggest flaw when it comes to humans in today's era is that we promote individual growth and success over that of society as a whole. The reason humans have overcome everything and is standing on the top is our ability to share and understand information to our kids more then just whats genetically inherited. But in order to learn you need to trust and with parents today don't even trust themself how can a kid in that environment ever grow up to trust anyone other then themself.
First time I've seen a video from this channel.
He looks like a guy who does IT from home, sounds like someone who does voice overs for game shows and superhero cartoons, but speaks with a clarity and honesty that is quite rare.
Great stuff.
He founded another channel years ago called Wisecrack: about analysis and philosophy from movies video games and culture, but he left it to make his own.
You should check WiseCrack, specially the old content. You'll love it and see his experiences.
Very interesting, I would love to see your opinions about Alan Moore comic books work!
Excellent analysis
i miss you on wisecrack!
most depression is from attaching one's value to an external result... and most depression only amplifies if those ideals are met. I remember seeing that depression commercial as a teenager, when I was most mired in an obsession with fitting in, admiration, and feeling horribly behind from the celebrity ideals I'd set out and expected of myself. Now I see I was too smart to fall for it, but the world wasn't smart enough to admit it was lying.
The girl you picked to illustrate "left" deserves compensation (not from you, the whole internet lol). If you watch the original video, she was very polite and patient while an idiot provoked and insult her. They later cherrypicked a frame mid-speak in which she looked "triggered"
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Know your meme lol
Sadly single moments define people for majority of other people regardless how irrational, simply an appeal to baser reasoning devoid of nuance and relevant context ;(
Yeah, that's what they do. They troll you into responding angrily and then they say "look how angry you are".
Ugh. Poor woman.
There’s something a bit on the nose about that situation, isn’t there?
And Earth Day should be renamed Save our Ass Day and it would not only be more accurate but true also. The Earth doesn't need us,
Which ideological position is more ideological…? Huh?
Because I don't know where else to leave this (unrelated) thought:
I feel like a lot of media lately has been exploring the idea that "we're all a product of our circumstances" to justify people's current, often messed up behavior and at first Netflix perpetrated this and then Disney bandwagoned it.
Netflix shows that do this:
- Orange is the New Black
- Bojack Horseman
- 13 Reasons Why
- Dead to Me
Disney media that does this:
- Star Wars (kinda lol)
- Cruella (2021)
- probably a Marvel property or two, I haven't thought about this very hard tbh
While I think you’re making some compelling points, I do think the foundational assumption for the argument, that “wokeness” is a religious faith is accepted with far to little underpinning, effectively just making the claim. And while it’s certainly true that in the (especially online) left as a group there exists plenty of purity testing and gatekeeping, if you look at the actual positions that are considered leftnleaning taken on various issues they’re underpinned by reason rather than faith. This is illustrated well by how even people who start out right leaning very rarely can expose themselves to higher education in social sciences without moving decidedly to the left on most issues. Sure, there exists people who have assumed leftism for identity reasons and don’t understand the foundations of the issues they accept, but the foundations still exist.
The issue further becomes hard to discuss reasonably in the Context of US politics, since the political landscape is skewed to the right from the outset in absolute terms. This is identified by how the leftist mainstream position is a decidedly liberal party, the democrats, whe liberalism is clearly a right wing ideology with foundational values such as free market capitalism and individual property rights. In standard political analysis the view on these two areas is the determining factor between the right and the left, where left wing ideologies such as socialism see capitalism and private property as the critical flaws of society. This isn’t a dimension that even exists in American political discourse and this may be a reason the so called cultural issues have become much more prevalent: when both political alternatives essentially agree on how society should foundationally work, what’s left as fighting positions are the “soft issues”.
This is quite interesting since to the small group of people who are tsking ownership of an increasing part of all wealth it’s critical that the foundations does not change, while they couldn’t care less about issues like immigration, LGBTQ+ acceptance, racism or gun ownership. Indeed, they’re quite happy people are occupied with fighting over those issues because the one thing they absolutely can’t allow is for people to stop fighting over those and instead realizing something is foundationally wrong when 1% of the people own more than the entirety of the middle class or that some drastic changes will need to happen to avert ecological disaster. So, politicians who are prepared to ignore any structural issues and instead perpetuate the “culture war”, regardless of party are the ones becoming individually wealthy by doing what the ultra rich wants, that is making sure that people are kept divided over ideological boundaries, virtually guaranteeing that no significant changes to the core of society can ever happen.
The right itself has gradually moved left on issues, but when the left moves far too left then there’s obviously a problem, we’re a leftist country with leftist foundations with a society actively becoming more leftist, it makes perfect sense that educated republicans are more left-leaning than less-educated republicans. But many in the left have shifted so far left that classic liberals are conservative extremists to them, common sense and reality itself is extreme hatred and bigotry. Where are you supposed to go from here?
The social sciences are not hard sciences and have been increasing taken over by neoMarxist over the decades. Wokeness is technically marxist 2.0 now focusing on identity politics and is more able to blend into a liberal society like a parasite it's still marxist but it doesn't try to start a workers revolution instead they infected higher education and take over everything from there, Democrats and corporations view them as useful idiots
there is a lot of bs here.
@@CircumlunarFeasibilityno this is spot on bro
Thanks for turning me to Zizek's discourse. It's given me lots to think about.
For someone immersed in the material and/or social everyday life and its struggles, the question which authority to follow is an issue of survival or basic well-being. On top, there are tough issues of metaphysical uncertainty for the thinking person. I do not see that "The Big Other" is a particularly useful metaphor to analyse these conditions of human existence in these regards.
Thanks for an edifying video.
Man your videos are amazing.
This video actually echoed a few of the things I was beginning to think myself, but didn't have the words to express. I'd thank some arbitrary Big Other force (Like the TH-cam algorithm) in my life for guiding me to this video, but instead, I'll just thank *you* for publishing it for me to find it by chance 😋
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.
Awesome video as usual, somebody should send this to wisecrack to remind them how it’s done.
The vast majority of every day people don’t care about either side and think they’re both ridiculous.
I think the “culture war” to content creators is what love is to songwriters…..the main thing that sells.
I finally understand what people mean when they accuse outlets like DW (just to give an example) of being "grifters".
Tell that to Disney.
The difference is I get annoyed by the fanatic far left, but I get scared of the fanatic far right. I'd rather get annoyed rather than get scared.
You should be scared of the fanatic far left as well though. Not in the sense that you should actively fear them in your life but that you should be afraid of the threat they pose to society in the same way you do the the far right.
@@homoerectus3355The far left wouldn't actively seek to eliminate me bcs of my skin color.
You should read about USSR history
@@kirillsulimthere’s virtually no communist in the USA there are unfortunately many many fascists
Did you get annoyed by thousands of pro-Palestinian militant migrants parading through the streets of the West shouting "Kill All the Jews"?
Damn this is gold “Often times when we get depressed, our unhappiness doesn’t necessarily stem from unmet desires but rather from our perceived failure to generate desire in the eyes of the Big Other. We feel inadequate not because we lack what we want but because we are not inciting enough envy or admiration in others”
Really enjoyed this video. I subscribed to Wisecrack many years ago because of Jared's nuance and his ability to give a pretty non-bias view on really difficult topics. I recently unsubscribed from Wisecrack because I felt like it had lost that nuance that I liked. Just subscribed to this channel and can't wait to dive into all the other videos.
My first thought after hearing about that God/deity hole, is that it isn't necessarily a God shaped hole, it's ideological in that we just go looking for something else to identify with, or define ourselves with.
I wonder what a Jared deep dive into the movie Bulworth would be like?
I'd like to hear a video diving into Phillipa Foote's answer to the "is-ought". I understanding is that she believes that there isn't in fact a problem. That the world of oughts is in fact, objective.
Hey Jared, great to final find your channel. I would sponsor you to do a video on objet petit a. I think it would be really helpful. Thanks!
Dagger and Ball is a strong name for a writing duo
5:30 is slightly making my alarm bells perk up because... How? In what way? Usually, "wokeness" on the right is used to refer to social progressivism on civil rights and... How is that "More Irrational" than religion?
Whether XYZ religion is objectively true is at least up for debate or unfalsifiable at best, but being progressive on its own, divorced of the actions of some OTT extremists or shallow performativism, is not ambiguous in the same way
I have rarely enjoyed any sitcom comedy because it is rarely unique, One of my favorites was My name is Earl, Its appearance may seem dumb but like idiocracy told a compelling tale,
This reminds me of Eric Hoffer’s book True Believer. I’m curious if you are familiar with it and the author’s ideas about why people willingly allow their own individual identities to be subsumed into grand ideological movements?
This is one of the first of your videos I’ve watched so maybe you’ve already made a video about it and someone reading this can point me to it?
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We need a three party system to get out of the shitshow we’re in. Both the left and right of mainline American politics have become brainless.
I think the party system itself is flawed. A lot of politicians and other political workers are forced to tow the party line as parties attempt to gather power, and adding a third party to the mix will likely only add a third rift within the nation then mend the two we have now.
I'd rather we focus on breaking down the current party system, and making it so that the politicians are more encouraged to work together as a whole to create fair solutions, and discouraging the creation of factions that slowly grow against each other as they vie for power. Also, removing the parts of the system that encourage economic value over serving the people would help a lot too.
I thought this was a really good video. I’m glad I came across it.
I come from a very Christian childhood, and i read Dawkins a little too early, I think. The God Delusion at 14, when no one around you is intelligent enough to check any of those ideas, can almost radicalize you against religion in general.
Now, almost 20 years later, my views on philosophy and religion are completely, and Dawkins is still caught in the same way of thinking.
Were the bewildered children of confusion who've dropped our anchors on the banks of Tortuga; we're ilk of Caligula with silted amygdalas that keep us blind in the time of Kali Yuga.
*sK*
Which ideology is more ideological is a stupid fucking question
I'd say the one that can't actually define what a woman is and thinks it's a good idea to give HRT to kids wins in the stupidity department.
what is a woman?
@@luless666 vaginus
@@luless666 wheres my mind?
You mean, the answer is clear?
"The Network" is an excellent yet scarey movie to this day.
interesting use of "other". normally "the other" is used to define those as that are "not me" or "not us". however in the case of the "the big other" is any nebulous concept or "ideal" created to encourage one to tie (or lose) one's identity to something "other" than oneself so when one looks into a mirror one sees the personification of "the big other".
Fantastic video Jared
Love your channel!
Bush snr sounded a lot like Bush jnr's "Mission accomplished".
Idk tho, “The Big Other” sounds like ones conscience more than anything
For some reason, I spent the majority of my childhood having the impression that Dawkins was a historical figure who died before my time. This is probably because i had only seen references to him, and not any actual footage. I still find it pretty amusing, regardless of thw rationale I had at the time.
0:35 I was there as a nine year old child - core memory with my mom.
I was just listening to a British comedian joke about religion and other things being about how we like to have someone watching over us. I thought that it was an interesting take, and now I hear this which expounds upon it.
There's a couple videos called "The most profound moment in gaming" and "The OTHER most profound moment in gaming" that I think you should check out. They touch upon the same ideas.
Great review Jared! very insightful and accurate. I write this sincerely: I think you are one of best critical thinkers, social and philosophical commentators out there in these days.
Big other = Super Ego. Lacan did say he was a follower of Freud.😊
There's an easy way to tell which side understands issues more. Take 2 similar people on each side, have them try to fit in on the other side, and see who gets found out first.
I think they did a study on this to see if people from one side of the political spectrum can understand or predict how people with different beliefs from them believe in.
Rightists were more accurate about the beliefs of leftists than the other way around.
That would be very hard to control for. Considering people tend to have different standards. Expanding welfare might be extreme to one person but not extreme to another.
I think when I am in the right state of mind, I actually integrate the big other with Kants categorical imperative, and inspiring others.
"Resounding victory" hilarious when Vietnam and China and Cuba were all still around. Guys named Bush really love declaring "mission accomplished".
I seem to recall that Aristotle observed that virtue is the moderation between extremes. The question is where is the virtue?
What a title
It’s so odd how institutions and governments protect one side and vehemently attack the other.
Excellent video
Thank you!
We must protect this man, Mr. Bauer at all costs
I swear, you and our parish priest must have shared the same lecture notes in college 😂
No cages, no gods, no masters.
Great video.
I don't even think it's the right question... It's a popular question, though.
I think the question should be "which side is more full of it."
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I feel like Santa is related in this on a few levels.
I find that The Pirate Party has a lot of firm ideologies. So do Smurfs! Never have a debate with a Smurf because they’ll totally kick your butt in debate!
Bush Senior was a great president.
Richard Dawkins is such a Washout.
nicely explained. cheers
Thanks again!
This is fantastic!
This video is great.
It's about the same. And I'm saying it before watching the video.
"Left" vs "Right" is better thought of "Progressive" vs "Reactionary". The fundamental question being "improve society" or violently defend the "status quo". IMO we can do better! How we accomplish this relies on discourse and unity. In the process, the individual gains relevance.
Wisecrack Reloaded. Very good.
I take umbrage with the thumbnail!