FASS Fuel Pump System w/ Drawstraw Install: 2002 Dodge Cummins
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Chapters
0:00 FASS Titanium Series Fuel Pump System
1:15 Unboxing Parts
3:52 Identifying Pump Inside Of Tank
6:02 Dropping The Fuel Tank
9:03 Installing Drawstraw
17:30 Reinstalling Fuel Tank
21:22 FASS Pump Assembly
27:58 FASS Fuel Pump Installation
47:15 Bleeding Procedure
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Great video,and a very nice shop! only things I'd do different is,I prefer to run the fuel hose and electrical thru a small hole with grommet,to the inside of the frame where I the stock lines are,it's better protected from the front tires throwing ice chunks and rocks at the fuel line.Also 1/8 off the tank bottom is cutting it close,especially since you didn't notch the pickup or put a strainer on it..we plow snow hard with these trucks and occasionally frame hang them in snow piles ,that would be enough pressure to push the tank bottom into the draw straw,killing the fuel...
This would probably be the better solution in your situation assuming that wouldn't know the sump off while plowing.
www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/fass/sump-pump-kit.htm
theres actually 1 1/8" clearance.
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Love your videos!! 8 years later and you’re still helping people. All you stuff has been helping me for years!!!! This is AN AMAZING RESOURCE!
Thanks so much! Glad to help!
You don't need pipe dope or teflon tape when using JIC or AN type fittings. Just on the npt side.
I agree, no dope on those fittings but if it is kept to just the threads and not the beveled sealing surface then it is somewhat acceptable. Dope contains grit which can keep the surfaces from making full contact
Great, informative video guys! I like the way you didn't edit out any of the real-world stuff. Thank you!!
Thank you for all you do! Man big help! And couldn’t have done it without you!
Thank you man! I could not have done it without your video. I sincerely appreciate it. I also made sure to buy a 7/8 stubby before getting started.
Thank You for taking the time to make this video. Very helpful information.
A very good video! I know these videos are hard to make, and things do get forgotten about. So I would like to add a couple of things here, for those who may happen across my comment, and for Thoroughbred Diesel to include in future videos (which it may have by now, as this is an older video)
First, before you start routing the fuel line, blow through it good with compressed air. Then, before routing it through it's path on the way to the injection pump, put a piece of wide tape over the end if it. Keeping any dirt or dust from getting inside. I know we saw a quick priming of the system here, into a gallon jug, and that is good. But let's not forget that the final filter here is 2 microns. I recommend a much longer run of the fuel (lift) pump, before making the connection to the injection pump. These injectors do not like dirt! : - )
Thx for the help. Keeping the diesel community educated is what we are all about. You rock! :)
Steve Kluver nice forethought. You were right.
M. Sev. There is a fuel grade pipe dope that we use, Permatex thread sealant with PTFE, p/n 80632. There also is a blade fuse on the power side of the battery, I cant remember if I showed that in the video. If you have a pump problem that’s always the first place you look. Either product you go with you wont be disappointed. Use Permatex 14d thread sealant is diesel fuel resistant. There is a inline fuse in the key on powers source or trigger wire. It is a blade type.
Your the first place i've seen do a bleed. Ether is the weapon of choice everywhere around here.
Great video! Thoroughbred is awesome for all these install videos!
Thank you! We try very hard to make the best install videos around on the web. We also take requests on what diesel installs you would like to see as well if you have any suggestions.
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Love these videos,hope you can get more lighting in the cracks and crevices for us old guys! Lol
Excellent tutorial
Thanks guy video really helped me even 9years later
Glad it helped! You're welcome.
Where was this video when I did mine? Haha good video.
Great video! I have a 1998.5 (210,000) with the Carter pump on the block. I bought the FASS 95GPH and installed it yesterday. You weren't joking, a 7/8 stubby would be nice to have...
Thanks for the video!
When you installed the pump did you take of the stock fuel filter and fuel pump?
great video Tks
awesome video
This procedure is a lot more involved that I thought. I hope it's worth it.
If anyone wants to DIY a sump option it's fairly easy and cheap. A bulkhead fitting with at least 1/2" fittings can be used to go through top of tank. That's basically a threaded hollow fitting with rubber gaskets and sandwiches the plastic of tank. Then just use basic NPT brass fittings to connect hose for supply. The inside pickup tube can use a NPT to compression 1/2" aluminum tube etc cut to proper length to reach 3/8" off bottom of tank. Good idea to cut slots in bottom of tube just in case. I'm not a fan of a sump on the bottom of tank that can get hit by something and ripped off.
Thanks for the bleeding procedure!
Dave Kana You are welcome Dave.
Wade, Mine sure was a stinker to get started again. My problem cause I took the top off of the stock fuel can to see why the side banjo wouldnt come off & didn't have it on correctly. But got it all figured out now! You are the Man!
Anything Vidsthat's complete on the install of the Transgo shift kit for my 47RE? Thank YOU Wade!
Dave Kana We do not have a trans go video for the RE’s trans yet but I will put it on my list!
thnx!
Great Video.. Just have one issue and advice.. Your doing this on the floor and the tank will sag with some with fuel so doing on the floor will lead to issue as your straw will come up shorter on the floor..
I might buy one if you make a install video on the 5.9 3rd generation Dodge cummins. I need video for confidence.
Love thoroughbred diesel. Would have liked for you to show each piece up close before installing but that's just because my eyes are bad but good video
I don't think trying to tighten the lines up with your bare hands was the smartest thing i've ever seen done. 😯
men you doing a good job..!
great explain step by step.
si estuvieras en tulsa te llevo mi 02’dodge ram para que me instales el fass fuel system
if you in tulsa i’m puré sure i will bring my 02’ dodge ram to do the fass fuel system installation
GOOD JOB...!
Thanks!
Great video so much better than the bs instructions that fass has you download.
I appreciate that!
Very nice install video. Only thing I noticed is you don’t need to apply pipe dope to a JIC fitting. Only on the pipe side of the JIC.
You are correct.
I'd prefer to clean up the top of the pick up and drill it out. You usually can install it through the pick up. I do appreciate the install he's using over drilling out the bottom and installing a sump. To me a sump install is a big no no.
like that pipe dope bud
Thanks!
Cover the end of that hose with some electrical tape when u route it to the engine. I cringed a little thinking of all the dirt that could be knocked off down in it. That's past them filters. . :)
No you just run the line from the front to the back so all the dirt goes backwards 🤣 ya dirt after the filters bad I didn't evin like replacing my hipresure relief
on the rail
Anybody else notice he cut it at 10 7/8 ?? then carried on like nothing happened, even after sticking his fingers under it and verifying the length in the tank?
yep i did
Yep. Inched himself
What do you do with the stock drop in fuel lines and electrical ? Is that just plugged back in and nothing to worry about or do you need to unhook the electrical from it?
question if i want to install this system with the sump kit do i require the draw straw as well, also if I'm installing a fuel pressure gauge along with this kit do i require any additional material to hook it all up?
I had a block mounted pump on mine but the previous owner put a pump in the tank and he took the block pump out. I wanna get the fass pump which one should i get?
Where do you put the fuel pressure sensor and the WIF sensor?
I'm doing the same kit but reusing the return on factory return line from the engine. Do I need a return line from the fass to the tank or can I just cap it
If the previous owner installed the Fass DDR pump for my 02 Cummins, can I still install this one? What would need to be done for it to work?
so on a 05 there is no need to crack the lines to prime? once your getting fuel to the injection pump you just tighten the line and crank the truck until it starts. what if i did crack 2 lines on the truck if i just tighten them back up and crank it will it be ok?
I have a 1995 12v cummins and I removed the injection pump to access the tappet cover and do other work along with removing the transmission for upgrading. Well I disconnected the 2 fuel lines coming from the fuel tank, both have a rubber hose on the end. Can you tell me specifically where these hoses connect? One hose clips to the top of the transmission and makes a “z” shape in the metal line then goes into a rubber line. That’s the hose I’m really trying to figure out where it goes. Any help is appreciated!
can we get a video with the pump in tank I have the pump in the tank on my 03 dodge
when do u have to change the fass filters or how long do u have to leak them for.
Just as an FYI don't lay the tank on the ground. This causes the bottom of the tank to indent and it sill make your straw measurement to short when you lift it back off the ground. Mine has issues now because I wasn't aware of this until I called FASS.
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why did you not fill the fuel filters up when you put them back on ?/
@21:32 reminders
I'm saving up my extra money to put one of these on my '98.5. Wondering how much the draw straw cost. Could ya help me out?
What if my truck has a Raptor 4g installed already from previous owner? Can I simply uninstall the 4g and install a new titanium in it's place?
What about the connectors with the pump in the tank do you just cap them on top of the pump and use the draw straw?I have a in the tank pump and need a draw straw in mine
I purchased my FASS for my 04 Cummins but my wiring harness is different. They told me I’ll have to cut my power wire from my in tank lift, is there another wiring harness sold separately? My truck been retrofitted, I have installed the suction tube.
Just got a brand new lp, and it's set at 17, but as I drive it it drops up to 10 psi lower, and I can't figure out why, I did an aftermarket draw straw so it shouldn't be starving or sucking air, any ideas
Lift Pump install Chevy Silverado 2500HD: i have a aux fuel tank and the fuel filler hose has the t-fitting installed for the tank feed. Where can I put the lift pump return hose since no room is available to add another t-fitting in the fuel filler hose?
Very informative video. I have to replace my pump this coming week in my 1999 Dodge 3500 5.9 with the Fass Titanium 150. By chance, could you make a video where the retrofit in tank pump is not installed on the truck, or maybe a discussion and illustration video? I don't want to start cutting into the fuel line before I know 100% of the procedure. Thanks.
If you have any problems you can always give us a call at 1-866-737-4966. We would like to do a video for every combination on every truck but sadly that just isn't possible at this time.
Great instructions, but wondering if you can do a video with the existing pump on the block. thank you very much
I'm trying to find a video for that as well I have my kit but not sure on installing it I have the stock lift pump on block still and don't see any videos on mine
@@pasttime8450 having the same problem. I ordered without the sump (my logic was everything settle on the bottom of your tank so it gets all the dirt and debris going through it), I am not retrofitted in the tank, so now I have no clue how to install.
@@Dishner-ws5lg yeah thats what I did no sump but my truck still has stock lift pump its not retrofitted and have no clue on setting it up at tank
@@pasttime8450 same here, did you figure out an install or fine a video?
No I ended up doing the straw down from top and put it off the bottom about a 1/4 inch it works great and a hell of a difference in throttle response
Mines got the pump on the side of the block , how do you hook up the Fass to the tank?
So those filters dont take out any of the lubricant of the fuel. You would think it would lessen it some.
great video! just picked up a 95gph titanium kit today for my 01 dodge. so when i bypass my original filter housing can i simply unplug and remove everything or is there any reason to keep it?
Dewaine Daniels Yes, on the VP trucks if you use a pump with filters that goes straight to the VP, you can unplug and remove your fuel canister. It will not set any lights in the cab of the truck.
If I went with an airdog 2 with a draw straw would it be the same install process. ..also how about if my pump wasn't relocated to the tank I have it on the block
zack halstead 2. Yes install process would be the same more or less. IF you have the pump on the block that’s ok too, you will have to use a different power source for the pump. You will have to use a key on power source if you purchase the pump designed for in tank pump. Give us a call we can help.
Boy!, that looks like a lot of trouble, why don't they just instll another tank pump because the tank is already down anyway. That just looks like a lot of crazy stuff to add and there must be a better way to install another pump. However you are a very good teached and it was a very good video. It must be a easyer way to do this or change install a different pump.
My son purchased the Fass 165 for our 01 ram 3500 5.9. Our engine has the original transfer pump mounted on the side of the engine.
Do we need to purchase any fittings or a new drawstraw to connect to the oem fuel tank?
I saw two red hole plugs in the pump body and the fuel pressure gauge line you didn't mention.what are they for and how do you hook up the fuel pressure gauge? other than that..it is an excellent video.thank you.
The two plugs in the pump base are for the heater upgrades that can be added to the pump. The fuel pressure gauge port is 1/8-27 NPT and a full pressure sending unit can be added there.
I have a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 with an external carter lift pump. I installed the new signature series lift pump and a new Beans Machine sump with the dual ports. I didnt have to do anything to the original lines going to the top of the tank. The FASS lift pump goes straight to the VP44. My question is, what do I do with the old fuel filter and lift pump? Also, how to I plug the old line?
Have you figured this out?
Great video but I have a question on my fast the wiring connections don’t hace the conector you plug behind de engine just have a red wire and my truck have pump on the tank my question is the harness for the fass pump work on my truck?
The red wire is a trigger wire and it will be run to a key on power source.
The dope you use, is it for petroleum products? I ask because I didn't know of buying tape for propane until I needed to do some hose connection to a 100 pound tank for my rv for year round use. Just asking as some may not know this and can't just use plumbing tape. Another surprise is there isn't a small in-line blade fuse for the power to the pump in case of surges from battery. Will have to look to see if any installs for 2010 or close. Definitely this product will be a purchase for future for my truck. Now to figure out which one to buy.
I wondered the same. Usually gas requires a different sealant I use gasoila like it requires the yellow tape instead of white. Oh well diesel isn’t that flammable. 🤷🏼♂️
your Drawstraw has no strainer, what is to stop debris from entering the pump. The factory pick-up tube is nested in a
basket with a strainer of which clogs up with dirt or stuff from a fuel station.
The water separator is there to trap the large contaminates. The gearotor will usually process large debris.
How do I hook my fuel lines to the tank without drilling with the draw straw my truck has the pump on the side of the block ?
If you get a 100 GPH pump it will hook directly to the tank with no modifications needed.
Would an airdog pump with a draw straw be the same install? Also what about if the fuel pump wasn't relocated and it's on the block?
zack halstead Some different hardware, but basically the same principal. If you got the Airdog 2 you will be doing the in tank module upgrade, that video can be found on our channel as well (AirDog Dodge Fuel Module Upgrade Install). th-cam.com/video/ls4ocVVwEvI/w-d-xo.html
Do one for a 2003!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!
My truck still has the lift pump on the block. It was never retrofitted with the in tank pump. Do I need the draw straw? Truck will be a daily driver with a mild programmer and RV275's. Not looking at making drag or sled power, just reliability with a little edge over stock.
My system didn't come with labeled parts or directions that tell you what filling goes where and you cants see what your using in the video.
Give us a call 859-737-4966.
After install, P1689 code is thrown and truck with not crank/start
Another question. Why did you pick a spot where the draw straw in not at the lowest point of tank?
+Mr. Dozer When looking for a spot on the tank we have to pick a spot that will offer us a flat spot to install the straw while also taking into consideration any bed mounts or cross members that will be in our way.
The New wiring harness on the Signature Titanium pump does not connect to the original wiring harness going to the ECM like the setup on your video. It connects directly to the battery and fuse box. This requires that I leave the old Carter pump disconnected which causes a check engine light code P0230. It comes and goes, but never seems to go away cause the ECM is always looking for a connection. Is there a way to get rid of this annoying code?
Good question and you are correct on the new wiring of the harness, the trigger wire now goes to a key on source. Not all trucks trip the SES light for the lift pump connection, but if yours does, what it is looking for is a ground. On the pigtail that supplies power to the block mounted lift pump, find the ground wire and just splice into it and run it to a chassis ground. No more light. If you need anything just let us know.
by unplugging the ecm connection to the in tank pump does that unplugging your fuel gauge or is that a different plug?
No, the same plug but unplugging the pump will not affect the sending unit for the fuel level.
Awesome video How much time to install we were asked to put one in and wanted to be fair
Should be able to get through the install in a couple of hours.
What happens to the stock fuel lines and fuel filter housing?
The pump runs right to the VP and you can get rid of any of the supply lines to free up space.
Wade I got a 12valve 98.5- my stock pump is doing fine so far as I run a fairly stock setup.would you recommend a fass system for an upgrade? I’ve spoke to a local diesel shop and the owner was very convinced of its filtration properties over stock filter.
Carter lift pump spec is 3' of line from the tank to filter... why dodge and ALL the medium duty manufacturers do not follow this requirement, is beyond me. I guess it is cheaper to just use what cummins provided( except the instructions ) and skip the required 2nd lift pump within 3' of the tank. As seen here dodge 1 uped the big dogs with the retrofit in tank pump.
I've had to change out the lift pump on a 32k lb GVWR 05 Fraightlinner bread truck / fed ex , due to cavitation damage reducing supply pressure. it is 28' from the lift pump to the tank and 18" vertical . So at 1/2 tank it could no longer prim the filter after a change out. Things you discover when preforming routine maintenance and research symptoms (levle1 identify the egg level 2 identify the chicken ) to identify the ROOSTER.
THE ROOSTER IS ALWAYS THE PRIBLEM.
THE EGGS AND CHICKENS ARE SYMPTOMS OF HAVING A ROOSTER. WHAT CAME FIRST THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG? THE ROOSTER ALWAYS COMES FIRST, THE OTHERS ARE SYMPTOMS.
Everytime he says pipe dope I think copper coat and start getting itchy 🤣
I noticed on the old VP44 connection there was a fitting going to the fuel pressure gauge. Where does the fuel pressure gauge connect to on the new 1/2" connection?
I had to go to napa and get the parts all made up to put a t into it for the fuel pressure guage
@thoroughbred So if my truck has not been retrofitted and I am going to run a 150 then I do not need to drop tank to add a draw straw? Also, if I went to a sump then how would I run my return line?
The 150 (165 now) kits do not come with a draw straw. They draw from the stock unit. If you do a sump, your FASS return will still return to the filler neck with a manifold that comes in the FASS kit. We also sell a sump by G&R Diesel that has a return port for your lift pump and you do not have to cut the filler neck.
Hey. On my 02 my lift pump is on the block. I guess I do not need to do anything to the tank (draw straw) ?
Also just buying fass lift pump is the same but without filters?
+Mr. Dozer That is a good question. I would make sure 100% that you don’t also have a lift pump in the tank. There is not SUPPOSED to be, but someone may have got lazy and converted it to in tank and pushed through the one on the block. I have seen this done several times. Easiest way to check is have someone bump the starter on the truck and you listen back in the tank area and make sure you don’t hear a pump in the tank. FASS is actually a brand, they offer pumps with or without filters, its according to what you want for your truck! Let us know if we can be of any help.
I’m running a lift pump pressure gauge off of the oem filter inlet. Where would you suggest I move that to? Any adapter available?
If you have a ½ “ line suppling fuel to the VP, then we sell a ½ inline fuel pressure T that could be used. Just give us a call and we can talk you through it.
Ok we'll my truck is a 2001 and i recently replaced my battery cable connections and I hooked everything back up like it was when I bought the truck, I have a green wire going to my negative side of the battery and there is a red wire running to the positive and I know there is a fuse also. And i don't remember it constantly running when I first bought the truck. All I ever heard it do was come on for a short time right when I would first turn my key on before starting the truck. So I'm needing some help on figuring out what is going on, and is it a bad thing that the pump is always running while the truck is on ? FYI the color of the fass pump I have is red. I think it's an older model possibly.
Has anything changed? Has anyone worked on the truck that could have possibly cut the trigger wire and moved it to a key on power source. The wires on your battery are your constant power wires. Check your FASS relay and make sure it’s not a relay problem. No it will not hurt your pump to run while the keys on per say, but if you have an accident and the pump is running with the key off it would not be a good thing. This issue needs to be addressed.
I'm installing the Fass Lift Pump right now, your mentioned you're going to electronically disable the stock fuel pump. How? You never showed that part and it's not in the instructions sent with the system.
Ya Fass instructions leave a LOT to be desired that for certain
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I have the fass platinum pump w/o in tank pump. I purchased the truck like that. My gauge gets a little over a 1/4 and I run out of fuel. What exactly do I purchase to fix this.
The 98.5-02 trucks are notorious for having fuel level gauge problems. I would check the sender if the truck does not have a drawstraw installed.
49:38 That's a lot of blood on the cooling system hose. Yikes!
The electric pump motor is supposed to constantly run unless the truck is off ?
No. On the 98.5-02 trucks, the pump is only on when the ECM tells it to trigger. Unless you route it to a key on power source.
So my 2000 ram 2500 24v doesnt have retrofitted block has engine lift pump and pump in tank so do i have to order draw straw?
Your truck was not produced with a in tank pump. But if it has been converted, you will need a straw.
I broke my fitting off in my vp44. I got it out. But next question is.. where can I order a new bolt? Or what is the part number.
Are you talking about the fuel inlet fitting? It depends on what type of lift pump you have.
What drawstraw are you using? I have the fass 150 and industrial injection hot rod waiting to go in my 2002 H.O. cummins
This is the FASS drawstraw.
So how would one install a fuel pressure gauge with a FASS installed?
There is a bolt on the engine fitting on the pump that you pull off and attach a gauge fitting onto the pump
26.37 what was the red cap ? , bracket covered it,,>=? plastic cap
That is a port for the fuel heaters that can be purchased separately. We leave the plastic caps in to keep the dirt out of the ports.
Can this be used with a sump pump that only has one line?
+jestes7 Yes. It can be used with pumps that do not return back to the straw. The return port has to be blocked off in that instance.
What is the method of replacing the fuel filter on a 1999 24 Valve 5.9 Cummins? I’ve seen your videos on 1997-1978 12Valve and 2001-2007 but what the difference?
Thanks
Gil Amaral
For the 1999’s, it is the same as the 2001 video, but the filter housing is a little different. The filter housing actually drops DOWN from the filter head and the filter itself then comes out of the canister.
What if your running a edge tuner with a fuel pressure sensor cause the sensor goes into the side of the fitting that you removed for the supply line on the vp44 and I didn’t see you put a new one back in
The FASS actually has a port on it that you can move your fuel pressure sensor to.
I have a dual tank on my 5500. Which one do I put this in?
These pumps cannot be used on the cab and chassis trucks.
I didn't see how to connect the electronics so the pump will stop in the 20sec cycle, or does this one keep running as long as the truck is on?
The ECM signal or trigger wire will regulate the lift pump on time. So as long as its hooked up the the ECM connection and not just a straight key on connection.
I know this is a little late in the game, however - in your honest opinion: which do you think would be a better lift pump for an 06 2500? An in the tank pump such as the fleece or an on the frame pump such as a FASS? Would appreciate any input. Thanks.
Give us a call 859-737-4966.
If you switch to a fass do you still use the fuel pump in the tank
No, depending on the truck you will bypass your intank pump. And the kits come with everything you need to do that depending on what kit your order.
Great video but did you cut at 11 7/8" or 10 7/8" it really looked like a 10
I said 11 7/8ths and its been so long ago I don’t remember the number off the top of my head. The length is relative to where you place the straw and how much space you want with the bottom of the tank. Cutting it long and adjusting is a lot better than cutting it short for sure!
Did you not take the pre he eater out of the equation going directly to the injection pump?
+William Dowell Yes, this eliminates the fuel heater in the stock fuel filter canister.