previous owner of both RT and K1600, and coming from racing background, the K16 is wayyy more sportier than RT, a lot more torque and top end power. weight is completely disappeared when riding fast and in general it's more comfortable and luxurious. all the way K1600. that's only my personal decision, don't take it into consideration. every person has his own personal preferences. BTW the K1600 is not anyway for old people cause they cannot control it. it's a motorcycle for skilled middle age fast riders who appreciate expensive and quality machines. it was never belonging to old people this K1600, it's only a common misunderstanding that happening around the world. Enjoy your rides, ride safe ppl.
As a 54 year old who has owned a K1600 for some years I completely agree. I worry about aging because I will need to get rid of the K1600. It is surprisingly sporty, but heavy to handle in the garage. I always enjoy carving up the sports bikes as the reputation of BMW leaves me at a distinct psychological advantage. Even more fun, and a bit naughty is baiting Harleys into fast corners with zero braking then just watching the chaos in the mirrors. The K16 will happily and comfortably sit at 200kph on cruise control, and filtering in the city is common for me. It will also go from 40kph in 4th to 240kph in 4th incredibly smoothly and rapidly. I love my time in Germany where the K16 shines but in my home country I still get to appreciate it, even though that high speed crusing is not allowed
At 62, age is just a number. I know 40 year old riders I wouldn't even think of lending my GTL. I do agree the GTL is sportier than the RT. Having rented the RT on a European Alps tour, I missed the power and torque of the GTL. At home, I have the best of both worlds with the GTL for touring that gets sporty, and an R1250RS for sporty that might require a little touring. If I had to have just one bike, though, it would probably be the RT.
I just put a Remus Quad exhaust, Sprint air filter and a Bren Tune on my 22 K1600b. Bike is a beast! 62 and still hanging with the 600 and 750 sport bikes!
61 here. I have a 17 and a 24. 17 Gt with full Remus exhaust, Hi flow filter, and Bren tune. It's a very fast bike. The 24 is a GTL that will get new cans, filter, and tune. I still have my 09 Vmax that makes 230 hp. So, us old guys can still ride.
I'm 34 years old and have this bike (GTL) and I must say that when I bought I felt like 60 lol… I must say that I love this bike so far (only 500 miles yet) -- the sportiness, the stock pipe sound, the practicality for commuting to work, etc... On the down side I wish it had car play support on the beautiful 10.25" TFT.
It’s kinda funny that my only hang up on buying a $29,000 motorcycle is that it lacks Apple car play, unlike the Gold Wing. Wake up, BMW, even Harley is offering it now.
ive been lucky to have a lot of big bikes over the years. moving from fast bikes like fireblades and H2's etc. and This bike is such a great move for a guy in his early 50's. I love the goldwing, had one and sold it on when a friend really wanted it. then for a few years I bought a few harleys, including a CVO road glide and did a few tours - great bike. I recently got cancer and had to get chemo and sold my bikes- and while im not out of the woods just yet, my dealer in ireland gave me a great deal on a 600 mile ex demo 2023 K1600 B (fully loaded) and im excited to get it this week. I had a 2017 model and enjoyed it. Its a big heavy bike but once you get used to a CVO road glide (around 430kg), the K1600 feels like a 125cc. Not sure if I am even making a point here, just saying - the weight of these bikes is all about what you are used to I guess - I actually find owning a big adventure bike more stressful in some ways, as I hate having to climb over the top of them to get on it.....
Agree 100% on all you said. 4 cylinder would work great. I don't know why they did 2 cylinder 1250RT and than went straight to 6 cylinder 1600 GT. Such a big jump.
Excellent video. Thank you. I have a 21 XR. I love it. I'll be 57 in a few months and I'm retired. The XR is perfect for for what I use it for. Day trips and maybe some wknd trips. 200-300 mile days no sweat. Usually riding by myself. One of the negatives to retiring in my 50s, lol. If my wife was retired and we were going to do long trips then I would've considered a K1600B for sure. But the weight is certainly something to be reckoned with. Sales tax in the part of South Carolina where I live is 7.25%. If it was 19% (outrageous).I would ride a bicycle. Lol lol 😆 🤣
@@redbull4fly797 that is a scary fact. I didn't know that. Now, I can see why bikes are so expensive over there. My XR fully loaded was a lil over 25k. Over there it would've been 30k. That's considerably chunk of 💰. 19% seemed kinda high but in Europe you get health care and such. Not here. So I guess that's why the sales tax is high. Or that's what people tell me. 🤔
I ride a ‘19 1250RT, test rode this exact motorcycle and was ready to jump to the GT! What a well-heeled rocket ship! However the complexity and maintenance costs for this lovely beast made me appreciate the simpler complexity of my RT. Anyway the RT is nearly as fast as the GT and handles just as well, and is about 5K less! But those who drive ‘‘em love them all the same!
@@k-rod2453 The 1250RT and K16 have very similar acceleration times and power to weight ratios. These facts are searchable and verifiable, not opinion.
@@k-rod2453 0-200kph is practically identical from what I've seen. K16 might have a higher top speed, but unless you live in Germany, I can't see how it's very relevant. The 1250 shift-cam is a great engine.
They probably didn't add the adaptive cruise control due to chip shortages. They have been having trouble to get enough just for the RT. I have to say I am very glad of having it on the RT, I use it all the time.
I suspect the K1600 is coming towards the end of its production life. BMW will no doubt change or upgrade it after the launch of the new R1300 RT. Still a great tourer. Probably the best sports tourer available. I’ve had two, but the maintenance cost puts me off buying another one. Thanks for the content.
I loved my K1600GT, (2016) and recently bought a 2022 R1250RT. The only time I wish I had the K bike back is doing a road trip. The smooth power delivery and the all day comfort is superb. But the minute I;m pushing that big beast around the garage or hitting city stop & go traffic, I'm glad I'm riding the RT. But,, The sound and power of the 1600 is sublime. Great review, (but now I'm lusting for the new Big K!!)
Yeah, every bike is a compromise, but my RT does it all for me. In town, long distance touring, thrashing in the twisties, and manageable in the garage. But, I only ride solo, you 2 up people have a different need.
And that is the point, its what is best for you. I have ridden many many bikes. None are perfect, but the odd one fills enough of what I mesh with that I buy those few and love riding them. I am not a Harley fan, or an RT fan, or an ADV fan, but I recognise the look on the face when they have just had a great ride. So I think that person is right, and my opinion is inconsequential. Love the ride, ride what you love
10 years ago, when I’d only been riding for a few years, I test rode a friend’s new K1600GTL. I was so intimidated by it - but soon I was totally at ease. Even slow a speed hard turn uphill was easy to manage. Smooth clutch … I was amazed at the user-friendliness. BTW, I won’t miss ACC. Haven’t we all managed without it?
Loved the vid, especially as you took the trouble to compare it with the RT, If money wasn´t a problem I would go for the RT, amongst other things, I can´t complain though, I got my NT 1100 5 weeks ago and love it. Have fun and ride safe.
Im looking at these and an RT. Been on Harleys for several years and looking for a change. Love the way these and the RT ride and handle. Great review.
I haven’t payed the due attention to this video when it was launched. Now that you presented a few days ago a video about your RT and about the summer trip you’ve made with it, and after changing impressions with you by commenting that video I came here in the sequence to ear and watch. So, what about difference for the RT. They aren’t only the weight and the motor. They are extensively more than that:- a) No induction charging for the phone (seemed absent) and my iPhone 14 pro max couldn’t fit in the place for it on this Bike, but it fits and functions well on the RT; b) There is no adaptive cruise control on the K1600 GT. This is a bike to crunch long mileage, that feature should be mandatory on this bike, from my point of view. I’ll pleasantly will stick up with the RT. Thank you for your kind support ✌️✌️
I can just enjoy these as I know I’m never going to get one. Especially as I’ve already traded down from a R1250RT to a F900XR. I don’t like the heavy bikes on our UK West Country back roads with their awkward cambers. Mind you if you have a huge garage and bank balance to match I can see how you might have one, as a second or third bike, for certain types of long distance journeys. Having just one bike though it’s a no no…
I also have one bike K1600gt se 18 model. Went from 1000xr, best decision for me. I live in West County UK and much prefer the GT to the XR around the roads. Couple times a week ride with friends they all have adventure bikes, the GT keeps up with them very happily around the twisties😂😎
Without any doubt your videos are the best when it comes to bike reviews. No over dramatics. Glade I found your channel. However I wouldn't swap my RT for the K16 too heavy.
Every reviewer of this bike always gets extremely giddy with the acceleration part of the video. I really enjoy that. I agree that the Honda Gold Wing is the best comparison bike to the BMW. I personally like Carplay or Android Auto to BMWs app for maps and entertainment. I also think Honda would be an easier engine to work on for basic maintenance than the BMW. I would definitely buy this bike before any other bike, should I become tired of my Gold Wing. Great video.
God I love that bike, I want one. If you were to look on the back of those front brake calipers I believe you will likely see a Tokico stamp. At least that is how the 2018's are and they look identical to the brakes in your video. Also Scott the K1600GT has the Duolever front suspension (hassock) whereas your R1250RT, like the GS, has the Telelver. The main differences between the two is the Duolever has upper and lower control arms and upper and lower ball joints and there are no telescopic forks (like the new Gold Wing), whereas the Telever only has a bottom control arm and ball joint and actual telescopic forks, the top of the shock mounts directly to the chassis behind the steering head. They are both fantastic, the duolever is in my opinion is more refined and is more stable in the corners, but is heavier. My K1300s has the same duolever as the K1600GT and my R1200S has the same telelver as the RT.
Thank you. Yea, I was just trying to explain that it looks the same from the top view, handle bar, that it looks the same as the RT/GS and then when I moved to the underneath, that is where I said it's actually a Duolever. I didn't get into how the GT is different cause of time, you will notice there was a "pregnant pause" after I said Duolever because I was debating, in my head, on whether to just move on or stay there and explain the differences between Telelever/Duolever, I chose to just move on for sake of time. Then the next day when I sat down to do video editing, I wondered if someone would get confused as to if I was stating that they were the same underneath. "Hind sight is 20/20" take care, Scott P.S. Someone else said that these brakes are the cheaper axial-mount Brembo now and not the radial-mount Hayes. It looks like BMW is having the same trouble that all OEMs are having with logistics and just putting on what they have in stock.
@@NothingToProve Sorry to jump into correction mode so quickly, Scott as usual it is a great review. I imagine the editing must be a lot of work. I am impressed by the quick shifter. There is an art to smoothly using the quick shifter on my 2013 K1300S.
I rented a K1600 for the Toys for Tots Rally, having owned 6 GSs I did not enjoy the high revving engine. I think the boxer is a more relaxing ride, I would go with RT for cruising, 130 hp is more than enough for me
Superb review Scott of a superb bike but….. I’m currently happy with my 1250RS I love the boxer engine. My upgrade of choice would have to be the 1250RT as I love ACC and BMW have really missed a trick not having it on this machine. Thanks for the vids I really enjoy your approach and delivery so you get 2 thumbs up from me 👍👍
I simply can't understand how when redesigning the front they didn't factor in the ACC for when it would become available for fitting on the K16. Of all the bikes in the range, this bike is designed to take advantage of ACC! Very odd. I'd love to experience the bike, but I think the weight would become very wearing after a while, whatever the cog. But oh for a huge garage and a huge wallet!
ACC is a beautiful piece of technique, I have it in my car as well but rarely use it. It even becomes anoying, especially in realitive heavy traffic when it holds in to the car in front way to soon, preventing to ‘go along’ with the traffic. ACC would be the last option for me to miss on a bike.
@@arnofrom9350 Hi Arno, appreciate that, and have seen other reviewers say the same. It's perhaps where I live in the UK but where I would really appreciate ACC is on speed restricted motorways (due to congestion or the ever-present works) and where folks will always vary by a few mph in congested flows. Cruise is pain/useless in those circumstances, so you have to sit there endlessly fettling the throttle!
Stephen I am with you in liking the Boxer engine although it took me some years to appreciate it. Had four cylinder bikes for years amongst them three Honda Blackbirds so when I road tested a 1200 GS & RT they felt like tractors and I couldn't wait to get them back to the dealership. The smoothness of a four cylinder was definitely the bike for me then. Many bikes later long story short on a whim I traded my bike in for a , wait for it , a GS without even testing riding it. My logic being that so many people loved them so why shouldn't I. Riding it back home from the showroom within a few miles I clicked with it and loved it. I eventually sold it tried a CrossTourer, Tiger 1050, & more recently a Pan America but even though its a 1200 GS I just had to have another GS love it and aged 71 any future bike will have to be one with a Boxer engine.
I am 70 and I ride all tipes of bikes for 50 years. I don´t need such a think. I'm very happy with my 2018 Royal Enfield Classic 500 and my 2003 Moto Guzzi Breva 750. The price of the 1600 in Portugal transaction taxes is affected minimum by 23%.
For any of you chaps needing a tyre change soon, get the pilot 6 for the K you won't regret it they are outstanding straight away you feel the difference.😎🖖
I have Super Tenere, CB500X and XT250. I think all three new, together cost less than this one. My go to is 500x. 65mpg, easy in and out garage, easy to zip in between cars when traffic jam. Super Ten works in all conditions and can easily do 500-600 miles a day. That is my limit even in my Silverado 1500 which is quite smooth and comfy. These bikes are cool but, I honestly don't understand their purpose.
They are designed to be mileage munchers with a sporty feeling and upright sitting comfort. Its that simple. Oh I forgot the incredible wind protection.
man, I used to live in Germany. Vilseck. I loved it and miss it everyday. what I would give to go back and go to a bakery for a coffee and a pastry and an extra loaf of bread for the evening.
Cool to watch a review of a bike I don't get much exposure to. Lotsa cool gadgets and looks like it doesn't disappoint. Still, for the class it's in, I'd go with a Goldwing.
Bought the 2022 K1600GT in black. The bike is a beast and quite comfortable, but…. the new TFT is a huge improvement, but the compartment for a phone is not big enough to put an iPhone 13 Pro Max. Fitting a charging cable is really awkward. Initially I liked the idea of no more need for a Garmin, but the BMW Connected app is a joke. The navigation doesn’t warn about traffic, or route you around it. Just shows you that you are, indeed, in traffic. The split screen is interesting, but there is no way to control the smaller side to the right if you are in split screen mode. Nor does it respect your selection of data to display. I uncheck the time spent on breaks, etc.. yet it shows up in split mode, nothing you can do. I wound up frustrated with the navigation portion of the app -and the Connected app is mostly a lot of fiddling around trying to get it to connect to the bike, even though it IS connected via a power cable. You must have both bluetooth AND WIFI pairing between the bike and the phone. And that WIFI handshake is sketchy… it struggles maybe 50% of the time to make the connection. Which means you have to stop, take the phone out of the compartment, restart the app, wait (and wait) for it to connect to the bike’s WIFI, put the phone back in the compartment, and ride. Stop for gas? Repeat. I really, REALLY wanted to love the bike. But the big reason I waited for it was a more integrated, useful TFT. It isn’t. Why BMW didn’t go with Apple CarPlay like other bike makers I don’t understand. Or heck, just use Google Maps, which would be an improvement over the BMW app. I’m 6’5” tall, so I had to upgrade to a taller windshield - the stock one had the wind hitting me right in the chin. Ultimately, I bought it to replace my 2018 RT, hoping the larger wheelbase, TFT, and power would be game-changing. Nope.
I am also 6’5 and went with a 7Jurock 20” with a curved up tip. Works very nicely. I appreciate you sharing your experience about the TFT - finally an honest one. Since my GTL is a 2016 I have the old dash, which I like. I ditched the Nav6 for a Garmin Zumo XT on an adapter in the same slot. The idea of trading for a new bike with the TFT after your experience and giving up the Zumo is a non-starter.
Hello Scott. I enjoyed this comparison video to our RT’s. I attended the “Street Survival” class at the BMW Performance Center in South Carolina. At the end of the class the instructors brought out every bike in the lineup for everyone to test, which included the RT and K1600. Most everyone in the class enjoyed RT best for it’s sportiness and the K1600 (As you said) for it’s smoothness. Your RT review was a major factor in me buying my ‘22 RT four months ago, and I am still loving it today. Last week I took it on a 1000 mile round trip adventure to Michigan’s U.P. . Keep the BMW reviews coming and ride safe.
I'm an avid K1600GT owner; e.g. 2012GT, 96,000 miles. I don't "need" a new bike but I "want" a new bike. I'm very disappointed ACC was not added to the '22. If it had been I'd be on the way to owning one. I inquired to BMW Mottoradd, "why no ACC", here's the response, "Dear Duane, thank you very much for your email to Dr. Schramm. On behalf of Dr. Schramm I would like to answer your question regarding ACC for the K1600. As you know the basis and the architecture of the K1600 bikes is more than 10 years old. We have investigated the integration of ACC to the bike very intense and deep and come to the conclusion that the necessary changes to the architecture would be significant and enormous. Beside the integration of the necessary sensors and the impact to the design we would have to develop a completely new braking system (full integral ABS). Additionally we would have to modify the Duolever front suspension system. So overall we came to the conclusion that the necessary changes and the development efforts are in an unfavorable ratio and that at the end would lead to an unacceptable price for most of the customers for the ACC in this bike. So we are very happy to hear that you are a fan of the K1600GT, perhaps we can convince you of the new features we have included in the new K1600 bikes. Thank you very much and ride safely, Best regards, Wolfgang
Nice review. You didn't mention one of the big differences from the RT is the quick shifter. The K1600 is so smooth from 1st to 6th and back down again, where the RT lacks in this department. But the omission of ACC really is a shame. That said, I'm looking at the GTL for 2-up touring and solo canyon carving.
@@shannonalbrecht8012 Lots of other people with over 100k say otherwise. I’ve also heard some RTs turn into money pits before 50k. But there’s choices, ride what you like.
@@Rambler358 ok let me translate that.. if you ride it like a grandpa would a goldwing it might not break.. but if you actually take it and kick arse with it.. breakdown central... the people who say otherwise probably never go past 80
BMW, I hope you watching 👀 what most of the K16 riders around the world want from the K bike? ACC. I won't be rushing to my dealer to trade my 21 model K16 for the new one. Just cannot understand why they did not put more engineering effort into the design to add ACC and also blind spot assist onto their flagship model. Lots of K16 riders here in South Africa 🇿🇦 feel the same. Another fail is not having wireless charging. You must fiddle with connecting a 90 degree connector into your phone evertime you get on the bike....ridiculous. T Did they sort out the bugs with music apps? On the RT and R18, the nav and music apps conflicts with each other. I prefer the smooth quickshifter and inline motor, compared to the RT. Nice review bud, 👌🏼 safe riding.
"Thanks" Scott, for a GREAT review on this 1600 .... Such a big, sexy bike ..... I really want it, but sadly just a tad expensive to own one, ... (for this 60 yr old guy....)
A wonderful super bike indeed. No question Scott. But, when existing popular technology doesn’t make it to other models in a new year roll out “having no space is not a good answer from BMW”. It would be if the long term plan is to phase out the model or a renovating of the K series front end. Me thinks the renovating has been done. With stringent environmental regs affecting everything and markets for large touring getting smaller, BMW maybe seeing the writing on the wall. But that’s just my .2.
I've just ordered an RS and keeping my fingers crossed for a quick manufacture date but one thing the dealer mentioned was the lack of various manufacturing parts/materials. I don't know if entire EU is affected but the K models are apparently on wait for months while R/GS/RS are 2-3 months tops if not is stock. Could be 'simple' supply chain issues prevented more ACC being implemented across the model lines, or focused on those with higher sales (RT). Sweet bike, but imho more oriented towards the US rather than EU if you tour off-highway.
You are correct Ivor. I believe the GSA is non order at the moment but the GS can be ordered due to parts for the GSA coming from Ukraine. This was the info at a recent BMW bike trial day
Hello Scott, looks like your living the dream! Man what a nice ride on all those boring mountain roads! So how would you compare this machine to the gold wing? Cheers.
Same here. Lots to like about the Gold Wing. A BMW and Honda dealer are a mile apart, so that’s a wash. It came down to the riding position for me. Being 6’5”, I sit extremely upright with my legs straight down on the GW and it feels awkward. Looks funny too.
Love the GT. Btw in the US sales tax may be lower but there is a $4000 tariff on bmw and triumph bikes. Your RT for example is $25500 msrp in the US. KTM not part of it, thanks Harley 🙄
I've owned the K1600GT, and now ride a 2021 RT. The extra weight of the GT is really only an issue moving the bike around, etc. Once it's under way, the weight is not much of a factor. It is a bit slower on turn in than the RT, but the GT holds a line a little better, and feels a bit more stable. The GT handles really well, and certainly does not handle like a cruiser. I've owned the Concours and FJR, and the K16GT handled better than both of those bikes. Both the RT and GT are great bikes. You're either a boxer fan, or you prefer the inline 6.
Owned the K16 (first edition) and now a new owner of the RT. Biggest difference is for me the agility of the RT and feeling of still riding a bike. The K16 was too much of a car on two wheels. I consider the RT the sweet spot between a GSA (owned two) and the K16.
Great review, seems like a downgrade from the RT honestly, no adaptive cruise, no wireless phone charger, less gas mileage, heavier and harder to maneuver in parking all for more money. I handled an older K1600GTL in the store, they didn't have an RT avaiable but the K1600GTL was an absolute boat to paddle around a parking lot. I'm buying an RT.
Amazing review! I know they're different types of motorcycles, but for my second motorcycle, I'm looking into this 2022 or newer, BMW K1600 GT. I also really like the 2020 or newer, BMW R 1250 RS. The last one I like is the 2020 or newer, BMW S 1000 XR. Next spring or summer, I will be looking for a used, low mile BMW from a BMW dealership only. I'm still up in the air on which one I will go for? I'll have to ride all three, and that will be the final decision maker.
Great review as always. All the time I have been a subscriber I thought you were a German who spoke perfect English then just now you said your from Michigan. I rented a Honda Blackbird in 2004 in a Town called Esslingerstr (?). East of the black forest area. The roads are awesome. At least you don't have to deal with the sorry politics back here in the States and just ride those great motorcycle roads in Germany NTP !!!
Ive said this before but if BMW made a modern version of the K1300GT I’d pounce. Best of all worlds. I have a lighter bike now and the 1250RS will in no way accelerate like the six or four.
My bike is a 2009 RT and this would be a huge upgrade. So would the R1250RT. Other than cost, the stopper with the K bike is maintenance. The valve adjustment costs are nuts on the K bike. That said, it's a cool bike. I just haven't been motivated to buy again.
Yeah BMW should have put de ACC, I just got mine and would have loved that treat, but truth is we’re going through a huge shortage of microprocessors and it would have meant less bikes, on an already depleted market. I live in Mexico and only 7 K1600 made it these year. Food for thought…
Very nice looking bike, and it has all the bells and whistles one could wish for. There is only one major problem. The foot pegs. They are positioned in a way that creates a knee angle that would make your legs go numb in a very short period of time - if you are a bigger guy. Your height is 1,78m/5’10”. That’s about the maximum height possible for a GT rider. At 4.08 minutes into the video, one can see that it wouldn’t take much longer legs to create a knee angle totally unsuitable for several hours of touring. By the way, the available seat adjustments of a few centimeters doesn’t solve the problem. A really big shame that BMW’s biggest sport touring motorcycle (the GT, not referring to the three other less sporty K1600 variants) has been designed in a way that does not accommodate for larger riders.
Couldn't disagree with you more wrt to the GT.. I'm 6'1", have had on knee replaced and plates holding the other tibia plateau together. I'm currently @96,000 and have no complaints about let positioning.
Inductive charging has two issues. First it can’t keep up with the battery drain if using GPS and second it can create more heat. I would guess that they are trying to avoid heat buildup in the phone charger.
They solved both of those problems with my 2021 BMW 1250 RT. In fact, when I'm going to use it the next day, the GPS with my phone, I don't charge it the night before because I know it will charge in the RT while using the GPS. So I figure why should I pay for the electricity (in my house) when I can have the alternator charge it for free on my RT. And there is a fan in the phone compartment to draw out the hot air, it automatically comes one once it reaches a certain temp, I think 30°c. take care, Scott
Beautiful piece of technique, but like you say it's a Smooth Operator! I'd prefer the RT because it's a boxer and nothing beats a boxer or a V2; the sound, the light tremblin', etc. So, the 6-cylinder is too smooth in my opinion, but nevertheless a dreambike. Yes, Scott, you are too young for this one :-) (did you loose some weight? I think so!) Bye and Thanks!
On the BMWs I never use the rear brake except for parking lot maneuvers. As I understand it the braking module, applies optimum rear brake for all situations.. there is a note in my manual about applying rear before front, and feel vs rear after our at same time the feel will be different. I've come to trust it. I got decisions. Miss my RT. got the s1000xr love it . Got an 18 k16b that I like. Would prefer the GT and a RT.
Hi Scott I have been looking at all your videos of motorcycles in general and it seems to me that you achieve very good hits in your comments. I have some questions about the BMW GS, Rt and finally the R18 Bagger. I don't know which of these three to choose. I will be living in Frankfurt Germany for a few years and I don't know which of these bikes would be the most appropriate to have. I would be very grateful if you could give me a hand in seeing which could be the right one for me. I will also tell you that I have had a BMW GS before and I love it but as they say, the changes are always good. I'll be there in early August. It would be nice to meet and make some trips to show me Germany or recommend places to visit. Thank you very much and I look forward to your response.
Ĝreat review Scott! Me too I think that I won't change my 21' RT for K as yet and honestly I don't think I will change, I really love the RT very much.
I own one of these and Ive never seen a motorcycle break so often... keep the RT.. The K bike is the most amazing bike in the world .... heres the issue... ignition coils fail like crazy and there are 6.. the electronic suspension will go around 60000 and its 4000 to replace.... only buy one of these if you have a second bike to ride when this one is in the shop.... and it will be
3 packages...my 2022 R/T showed up with the "select package" not advertised in the order...no radio installed another $600.00 just "radio prep" for $300.00 and no ACC but I can retrofit it if I want to spend another $900.00
Nice video, once again. Don’t know... without adptative cruise control? No induction charge device for your phone? And we have to pay how much to get the bike? € 30.000,00? I think I’ll pass, still in love with my RT😉✌️
Not to be disagreeable- but a single side swing arm makes it easier across the pond to change a tire- of course looks are great but- in a emergency- single arm swing arm makes it way easier for tire plug or removal… our country is all longer lol! Maga jk.. amazing video.. im from Michigan too! Love your videos
Great honest review, I’m torn between the GSA, RT and K1600. What you described at the end existed as the K1200S, updated to the K1300S. I had a K1200S with a full titanium exhaust it had 175bhp at the crank. I used to describe the acceleration in two ways. Firstly, like being strapped to a rocket. Second, just look, think and gone! If they made a K1200/1300S updated with all the gadgets, I’d buy it hands down. I’m seduced by the K1600GT because of that quickshifter gearbox mated to the inline 6. I test rode the RT (new one) and the previous GSA (before the adaptive headlight). The GSA was great for the potholes that cover the bulk of the UK roads. It also helped to quell the urge to lose my license. The RT was OK, and I liked it, so I’m still stuck. I’m buying in November due to surgery on my spine, but I’m definitely going to try the K1600GT. I’m just concerned about its weight filtering in London traffic.
I’ve got a 21 RT a fine bike but with panniers and top box full with touring gear two up manhandling in parking situations it’s a beast weight wise . I know the big K16 will be even heavier when loaded but I’m thinking that reverse is the factor that helps with the weight real quandary as both are fine bikes but I just worry about the every day garage etc handling of the K vs the RT which is not quite as smooth or rapid but not by much and RT has longer range …….finely balanced as it’s quite a lot to change from one to the other …….still undecided 🙄
Yes , you nailed !!! 4/cyl , lighter ,…..Any of you guys remember the K1200RS? 1998 (I had the Taxi, yellow black color scheme ). 4Cyl Engine. One of my favorite’s!!!!!How about an updated version. Updated cockpit, electric shield , same 4 cyl engine w/more hp/torque/ on off exhaust baffle like Porsche , AMG ETC , lighter , adaptive cruise. Look at the demographics. It would be an instant hit IMHO. BTW, Here’s my deposit now. 😂
Before you all run to get a K, few things to consider, BMW's labor/parts are one of the most expensive. Some parts, you will need to hold till they come from Germany. Make sure you have a dealer by you and they have loaners. The service on those is either time or miles. Oil change on them is a pain in the A@@. The K's engine is very complicated and has a lot of moving parts, anything can go wrong and it will and you will open your check book and it will hurt. This bike has a lot of Bosch sensors, I mean a lot. Do you like to work on your bike? get ready, not easy. I had 2 of them and had enough with all kind of issues. Had enough running to the dealer. Sold it and got the new Goldwing DCT Tour. Unbelievable machine. Other than that, the K is a real fun machine to ride. The power is massive, the shift assist is fantastic. I never cared for the reverse clutch. They had some issues. I avoided using it.
You can see what’s going to happen with BMW. Next year sees the new 1300 and 1400 boxer twins for GS’s, which as sure as hens lay eggs will end up in the RT and RS and then you’ll have an RT to be reckoned with even though the current model is superb. I’ve a 1250 GSA, best bike I’ve ever ridden and my wife loves it compared to our Harley Ultra which looks comfortable but isn’t when you’re on uneven surface roads.
I didn’t realise you were in Germany 🇩🇪! You are lucky … Germany has fabulous roads both in the North and South! You can also access Scandinavia or alternatively head to the Alps for RDGA etc. It’s a better place than Biden’s America for sure.
What do you think about the Metzeler Roadtec 01 HWM tyres? I put them on my Kawasaki z1000sx and they are great in comparison to the Bridgestone battlax tyres I had before. Only other tyres I know which is as good are the Pirelli Diablo Rosso III.
In many ways, I agree. I had an '06 ST1300 which I loved. They do handle similarly and are close in weight to the GTL. But Honda, in their "wisdom," chose to phase out the ST and funnel former STers into the new Goldwing. While I like the new tech of the GW, it loses the sportiness of the ST. Meanwhile, not only is the GTL sportier, the tech improvements over the ST, including a reverse gear, cruise control, and buttery smooth quick shifter make me never look back. So your term, "upgraded properly," is the key takeaway to your statement.
I have had 2 Goldwings , superb bike . I would never own a bike that cost more than my house ,hard to find parts and someone to fix it .With Beamer you will need both . Don't get me wrong BMW make good cars and bikes tjere isn't much inferstructor to support them .
Which bike is quicker - the R1250RT (less power, less weight), or the K1600GT (more power, more weight)? Which would you pick for a ride from Southern California to the state of Maine?
RT is quicker, no doubt about that but across the U.S. Hmm...that is a very very close race. I'd still lean towards the RT (and this is a personal thing) because the added weight would get old after a while. But the K motor is so silky smooth and when you start her up...oh the sound of six cylinders is mesmerizing. The K competes against the Gold Wing and the RT against the FJR1300, so really it comes down to sport/touring vs. touring bike. I'd save some weigh and some money and get the RT 😁
previous owner of both RT and K1600, and coming from racing background, the K16 is wayyy more sportier than RT, a lot more torque and top end power. weight is completely disappeared when riding fast and in general it's more comfortable and luxurious. all the way K1600. that's only my personal decision, don't take it into consideration. every person has his own personal preferences. BTW the K1600 is not anyway for old people cause they cannot control it. it's a motorcycle for skilled middle age fast riders who appreciate expensive and quality machines. it was never belonging to old people this K1600, it's only a common misunderstanding that happening around the world. Enjoy your rides, ride safe ppl.
As a 54 year old who has owned a K1600 for some years I completely agree. I worry about aging because I will need to get rid of the K1600. It is surprisingly sporty, but heavy to handle in the garage. I always enjoy carving up the sports bikes as the reputation of BMW leaves me at a distinct psychological advantage. Even more fun, and a bit naughty is baiting Harleys into fast corners with zero braking then just watching the chaos in the mirrors. The K16 will happily and comfortably sit at 200kph on cruise control, and filtering in the city is common for me. It will also go from 40kph in 4th to 240kph in 4th incredibly smoothly and rapidly. I love my time in Germany where the K16 shines but in my home country I still get to appreciate it, even though that high speed crusing is not allowed
@@BobJones20001 great response!
At 62, age is just a number. I know 40 year old riders I wouldn't even think of lending my GTL. I do agree the GTL is sportier than the RT. Having rented the RT on a European Alps tour, I missed the power and torque of the GTL. At home, I have the best of both worlds with the GTL for touring that gets sporty, and an R1250RS for sporty that might require a little touring. If I had to have just one bike, though, it would probably be the RT.
I just put a Remus Quad exhaust, Sprint air filter and a Bren Tune on my 22 K1600b. Bike is a beast! 62 and still hanging with the 600 and 750 sport bikes!
61 here. I have a 17 and a 24. 17 Gt with full Remus exhaust, Hi flow filter, and Bren tune. It's a very fast bike. The 24 is a GTL that will get new cans, filter, and tune. I still have my 09 Vmax that makes 230 hp. So, us old guys can still ride.
I'm 34 years old and have this bike (GTL) and I must say that when I bought I felt like 60 lol… I must say that I love this bike so far (only 500 miles yet) -- the sportiness, the stock pipe sound, the practicality for commuting to work, etc... On the down side I wish it had car play support on the beautiful 10.25" TFT.
It’s kinda funny that my only hang up on buying a $29,000 motorcycle is that it lacks Apple car play, unlike the Gold Wing. Wake up, BMW, even Harley is offering it now.
Could you do a video review on the Honda Goldwing and give us some comparisons with this please?
Look up 44 teeth on you tube they did a head to head
ive been lucky to have a lot of big bikes over the years. moving from fast bikes like fireblades and H2's etc. and This bike is such a great move for a guy in his early 50's. I love the goldwing, had one and sold it on when a friend really wanted it. then for a few years I bought a few harleys, including a CVO road glide and did a few tours - great bike.
I recently got cancer and had to get chemo and sold my bikes- and while im not out of the woods just yet, my dealer in ireland gave me a great deal on a 600 mile ex demo 2023 K1600 B (fully loaded) and im excited to get it this week. I had a 2017 model and enjoyed it. Its a big heavy bike but once you get used to a CVO road glide (around 430kg), the K1600 feels like a 125cc.
Not sure if I am even making a point here, just saying - the weight of these bikes is all about what you are used to I guess - I actually find owning a big adventure bike more stressful in some ways, as I hate having to climb over the top of them to get on it.....
Seat height makes a huge difference. American baggers have low seat heights. 25" 850 lbs machine.
Hope you’re on the mend soon and back enjoying your bike👍
Agree 100% on all you said. 4 cylinder would work great. I don't know why they did 2 cylinder 1250RT and than went straight to 6 cylinder 1600 GT. Such a big jump.
Unexpected things today: K 1600 GT is a haunted bike with a child's yell when off throttle. lol Great opening.
Excellent video. Thank you. I have a 21 XR. I love it. I'll be 57 in a few months and I'm retired. The XR is perfect for for what I use it for. Day trips and maybe some wknd trips. 200-300 mile days no sweat. Usually riding by myself. One of the negatives to retiring in my 50s, lol. If my wife was retired and we were going to do long trips then I would've considered a K1600B for sure. But the weight is certainly something to be reckoned with.
Sales tax in the part of South Carolina where I live is 7.25%. If it was 19% (outrageous).I would ride a bicycle. Lol lol 😆 🤣
Funny thing is that Germany has lower sales tax than most Europe :)
@@redbull4fly797 that is a scary fact. I didn't know that. Now, I can see why bikes are so expensive over there. My XR fully loaded was a lil over 25k. Over there it would've been 30k. That's considerably chunk of 💰. 19% seemed kinda high but in Europe you get health care and such. Not here. So I guess that's why the sales tax is high. Or that's what people tell me. 🤔
21% in The Netherlands, making this bike with a fel options around €35.000,-
@@arnofrom9350 jeez! That is unbelievable. At that price I might have to leave the bike in the showroom. I would have to look for another bike.
i have a k bike it lives in the service department way too much...
I ride a ‘19 1250RT, test rode this exact motorcycle and was ready to jump to the GT! What a well-heeled rocket ship! However the complexity and maintenance costs for this lovely beast made me appreciate the simpler complexity of my RT. Anyway the RT is nearly as fast as the GT and handles just as well, and is about 5K less! But those who drive ‘‘em love them all the same!
The rt is almost as fast as thegt. What are you smoking. Not even close.
@@k-rod2453 The 1250RT and K16 have very similar acceleration times and power to weight ratios. These facts are searchable and verifiable, not opinion.
K16 is heavier. It’s not all about horsepower figures.
@@k-rod2453 0-200kph is practically identical from what I've seen. K16 might have a higher top speed, but unless you live in Germany, I can't see how it's very relevant. The 1250 shift-cam is a great engine.
They probably didn't add the adaptive cruise control due to chip shortages. They have been having trouble to get enough just for the RT. I have to say I am very glad of having it on the RT, I use it all the time.
Yep, that's the main reason, chips, but there are other shortages of parts too.
take care,
Scott
Have it on my Multi. I do enjoy it
I suspect the K1600 is coming towards the end of its production life. BMW will no doubt change or upgrade it after the launch of the new R1300 RT. Still a great tourer. Probably the best sports tourer available. I’ve had two, but the maintenance cost puts me off buying another one. Thanks for the content.
You guys are becoming my favorite BMW motorcycle reviewers
I loved my K1600GT, (2016) and recently bought a 2022 R1250RT.
The only time I wish I had the K bike back is doing a road trip. The smooth power delivery and the all day comfort is superb. But the minute I;m pushing that big beast around the garage or hitting city stop & go traffic, I'm glad I'm riding the RT.
But,, The sound and power of the 1600 is sublime.
Great review, (but now I'm lusting for the new Big K!!)
The 1600 had a reverse gear button. You can use the engine to move it around easily.
@@rafaelcordoba13 It was not standard in 2016.. not all bikes this year had it.
Yeah, every bike is a compromise, but my RT does it all for me. In town, long distance touring, thrashing in the twisties, and manageable in the garage. But, I only ride solo, you 2 up people have a different need.
Others are faster, others more agile, more powerfull, etc. etc. but for me the RT is the best everyday bike.
And that is the point, its what is best for you. I have ridden many many bikes. None are perfect, but the odd one fills enough of what I mesh with that I buy those few and love riding them. I am not a Harley fan, or an RT fan, or an ADV fan, but I recognise the look on the face when they have just had a great ride. So I think that person is right, and my opinion is inconsequential. Love the ride, ride what you love
I love my K1600 GT
10 years ago, when I’d only been riding for a few years, I test rode a friend’s new K1600GTL. I was so intimidated by it - but soon I was totally at ease. Even slow a speed hard turn uphill was easy to manage. Smooth clutch … I was amazed at the user-friendliness. BTW, I won’t miss ACC. Haven’t we all managed without it?
Loved the vid, especially as you took the trouble to compare it with the RT, If money wasn´t a problem I would go for the RT, amongst other things, I can´t complain though, I got my NT 1100 5 weeks ago and love it.
Have fun and ride safe.
Im looking at these and an RT. Been on Harleys for several years and looking for a change. Love the way these and the RT ride and handle. Great review.
I haven’t payed the due attention to this video when it was launched. Now that you presented a few days ago a video about your RT and about the summer trip you’ve made with it, and after changing impressions with you by commenting that video I came here in the sequence to ear and watch. So, what about difference for the RT. They aren’t only the weight and the motor. They are extensively more than that:- a) No induction charging for the phone (seemed absent) and my iPhone 14 pro max couldn’t fit in the place for it on this Bike, but it fits and functions well on the RT; b) There is no adaptive cruise control on the K1600 GT. This is a bike to crunch long mileage, that feature should be mandatory on this bike, from my point of view.
I’ll pleasantly will stick up with the RT.
Thank you for your kind support ✌️✌️
I can just enjoy these as I know I’m never going to get one. Especially as I’ve already traded down from a R1250RT to a F900XR. I don’t like the heavy bikes on our UK West Country back roads with their awkward cambers. Mind you if you have a huge garage and bank balance to match I can see how you might have one, as a second or third bike, for certain types of long distance journeys. Having just one bike though it’s a no no…
I have just one bike.. K1600.. ridden everyday. It's a big yes yes for me.
I also have one bike K1600gt se 18 model. Went from 1000xr, best decision for me. I live in West County UK and much prefer the GT to the XR around the roads. Couple times a week ride with friends they all have adventure bikes, the GT keeps up with them very happily around the twisties😂😎
I’m 58 now and totally understand that weight thing. I was able to do a trunk delete kit on my touring bike and took 45 lbs off. What a difference.
i have a 1150rt and it is a daily bike.It is heavy to maneuvre in low speeds,but thats why it is no grocery getter. I do my shopping on foot anyway
Pete … enjoy your F900. 👍
Without any doubt your videos are the best when it comes to bike reviews. No over dramatics. Glade I found your channel. However I wouldn't swap my RT for the K16 too heavy.
Thanks! Yea, me too, I'll keep my RT.
take care,
Scott
@@NothingToProve bmw k1600 compare to r18 what do you think ?
Every reviewer of this bike always gets extremely giddy with the acceleration part of the video. I really enjoy that. I agree that the Honda Gold Wing is the best comparison bike to the BMW. I personally like Carplay or Android Auto to BMWs app for maps and entertainment. I also think Honda would be an easier engine to work on for basic maintenance than the BMW. I would definitely buy this bike before any other bike, should I become tired of my Gold Wing. Great video.
God I love that bike, I want one. If you were to look on the back of those front brake calipers I believe you will likely see a Tokico stamp. At least that is how the 2018's are and they look identical to the brakes in your video.
Also Scott the K1600GT has the Duolever front suspension (hassock) whereas your R1250RT, like the GS, has the Telelver. The main differences between the two is the Duolever has upper and lower control arms and upper and lower ball joints and there are no telescopic forks (like the new Gold Wing), whereas the Telever only has a bottom control arm and ball joint and actual telescopic forks, the top of the shock mounts directly to the chassis behind the steering head. They are both fantastic, the duolever is in my opinion is more refined and is more stable in the corners, but is heavier. My K1300s has the same duolever as the K1600GT and my R1200S has the same telelver as the RT.
Thank you. Yea, I was just trying to explain that it looks the same from the top view, handle bar, that it looks the same as the RT/GS and then when I moved to the underneath, that is where I said it's actually a Duolever. I didn't get into how the GT is different cause of time, you will notice there was a "pregnant pause" after I said Duolever because I was debating, in my head, on whether to just move on or stay there and explain the differences between Telelever/Duolever, I chose to just move on for sake of time. Then the next day when I sat down to do video editing, I wondered if someone would get confused as to if I was stating that they were the same underneath. "Hind sight is 20/20"
take care,
Scott
P.S. Someone else said that these brakes are the cheaper axial-mount Brembo now and not the radial-mount Hayes. It looks like BMW is having the same trouble that all OEMs are having with logistics and just putting on what they have in stock.
@@NothingToProve Sorry to jump into correction mode so quickly, Scott as usual it is a great review. I imagine the editing must be a lot of work. I am impressed by the quick shifter. There is an art to smoothly using the quick shifter on my 2013 K1300S.
I rented a K1600 for the Toys for Tots Rally, having owned 6 GSs I did not enjoy the high revving engine. I think the boxer is a more relaxing ride, I would go with RT for cruising, 130 hp is more than enough for me
Superb review Scott of a superb bike but….. I’m currently happy with my 1250RS I love the boxer engine. My upgrade of choice would have to be the 1250RT as I love ACC and BMW have really missed a trick not having it on this machine. Thanks for the vids I really enjoy your approach and delivery so you get 2 thumbs up from me 👍👍
I simply can't understand how when redesigning the front they didn't factor in the ACC for when it would become available for fitting on the K16. Of all the bikes in the range, this bike is designed to take advantage of ACC! Very odd.
I'd love to experience the bike, but I think the weight would become very wearing after a while, whatever the cog. But oh for a huge garage and a huge wallet!
ACC is a beautiful piece of technique, I have it in my car as well but rarely use it. It even becomes anoying, especially in realitive heavy traffic when it holds in to the car in front way to soon, preventing to ‘go along’ with the traffic. ACC would be the last option for me to miss on a bike.
@@arnofrom9350 Hi Arno, appreciate that, and have seen other reviewers say the same. It's perhaps where I live in the UK but where I would really appreciate ACC is on speed restricted motorways (due to congestion or the ever-present works) and where folks will always vary by a few mph in congested flows. Cruise is pain/useless in those circumstances, so you have to sit there endlessly fettling the throttle!
That makes sense…
Live in the The Netherlands myself.
Stephen I am with you in liking the Boxer engine although it took me some years to appreciate it. Had four cylinder bikes for years amongst them three Honda Blackbirds so when I road tested a 1200 GS & RT they felt like tractors and I couldn't wait to get them back to the dealership. The smoothness of a four cylinder was definitely the bike for me then. Many bikes later long story short on a whim I traded my bike in for a , wait for it , a GS without even testing riding it. My logic being that so many people loved them so why shouldn't I. Riding it back home from the showroom within a few miles I clicked with it and loved it. I eventually sold it tried a CrossTourer, Tiger 1050, & more recently a Pan America but even though its a 1200 GS I just had to have another GS love it and aged 71 any future bike will have to be one with a Boxer engine.
Great review and that’s a good looking bike for sure but I’m loving my 2022 R1250RT!!
I am 70 and I ride all tipes of bikes for 50 years. I don´t need such a think. I'm very happy with my 2018 Royal Enfield Classic 500 and my 2003 Moto Guzzi Breva 750. The price of the 1600 in Portugal transaction taxes is affected minimum by 23%.
Love the opening monologue.
Nice review. Thanks.
A lot of reviewers say that RT has better weather protection and are disappointed with K 1600 regarding that.
Yes, it most definitely is. Much much better. The boxer never felt more like a tractor than after riding this jewel.
For any of you chaps needing a tyre change soon, get the pilot 6 for the K you won't regret it they are outstanding straight away you feel the difference.😎🖖
I have Super Tenere, CB500X and XT250. I think all three new, together cost less than this one. My go to is 500x. 65mpg, easy in and out garage, easy to zip in between cars when traffic jam. Super Ten works in all conditions and can easily do 500-600 miles a day. That is my limit even in my Silverado 1500 which is quite smooth and comfy. These bikes are cool but, I honestly don't understand their purpose.
They are designed to be mileage munchers with a sporty feeling and upright sitting comfort. Its that simple. Oh I forgot the incredible wind protection.
man, I used to live in Germany. Vilseck. I loved it and miss it everyday. what I would give to go back and go to a bakery for a coffee and a pastry and an extra loaf of bread for the evening.
Yes it is the gears. Very good for you to learn this.👏🏻
Cool to watch a review of a bike I don't get much exposure to. Lotsa cool gadgets and looks like it doesn't disappoint. Still, for the class it's in, I'd go with a Goldwing.
Think of the goldwing as a whale and 16 as a shark.
Hey! A Michigan brother! Good work, love your videos, ty.
I bought one, arrives at the end of the month, same spec cant wait
Bought the 2022 K1600GT in black. The bike is a beast and quite comfortable, but…. the new TFT is a huge improvement, but the compartment for a phone is not big enough to put an iPhone 13 Pro Max. Fitting a charging cable is really awkward. Initially I liked the idea of no more need for a Garmin, but the BMW Connected app is a joke. The navigation doesn’t warn about traffic, or route you around it. Just shows you that you are, indeed, in traffic. The split screen is interesting, but there is no way to control the smaller side to the right if you are in split screen mode. Nor does it respect your selection of data to display. I uncheck the time spent on breaks, etc.. yet it shows up in split mode, nothing you can do. I wound up frustrated with the navigation portion of the app -and the Connected app is mostly a lot of fiddling around trying to get it to connect to the bike, even though it IS connected via a power cable. You must have both bluetooth AND WIFI pairing between the bike and the phone. And that WIFI handshake is sketchy… it struggles maybe 50% of the time to make the connection. Which means you have to stop, take the phone out of the compartment, restart the app, wait (and wait) for it to connect to the bike’s WIFI, put the phone back in the compartment, and ride. Stop for gas? Repeat.
I really, REALLY wanted to love the bike. But the big reason I waited for it was a more integrated, useful TFT. It isn’t. Why BMW didn’t go with Apple CarPlay like other bike makers I don’t understand. Or heck, just use Google Maps, which would be an improvement over the BMW app.
I’m 6’5” tall, so I had to upgrade to a taller windshield - the stock one had the wind hitting me right in the chin.
Ultimately, I bought it to replace my 2018 RT, hoping the larger wheelbase, TFT, and power would be game-changing. Nope.
I am also 6’5 and went with a 7Jurock 20” with a curved up tip. Works very nicely. I appreciate you sharing your experience about the TFT - finally an honest one. Since my GTL is a 2016 I have the old dash, which I like. I ditched the Nav6 for a Garmin Zumo XT on an adapter in the same slot. The idea of trading for a new bike with the TFT after your experience and giving up the Zumo is a non-starter.
I like your videos. 👍
Your thoughts and judgements are always considered and good sense.
Hello Scott. I enjoyed this comparison video to our RT’s. I attended the “Street Survival” class at the BMW Performance Center in South Carolina. At the end of the class the instructors brought out every bike in the lineup for everyone to test, which included the RT and K1600. Most everyone in the class enjoyed RT best for it’s sportiness and the K1600 (As you said) for it’s smoothness. Your RT review was a major factor in me buying my ‘22 RT four months ago, and I am still loving it today. Last week I took it on a 1000 mile round trip adventure to Michigan’s U.P. . Keep the BMW reviews coming and ride safe.
You just won a new subscriber!!!! Amazing vlogging skills 👏 👌
I'm an avid K1600GT owner; e.g. 2012GT, 96,000 miles. I don't "need" a new bike but I "want" a new bike. I'm very disappointed ACC was not added to the '22. If it had been I'd be on the way to owning one. I inquired to BMW Mottoradd, "why no ACC", here's the response,
"Dear Duane,
thank you very much for your email to Dr. Schramm.
On behalf of Dr. Schramm I would like to answer your question regarding ACC for the K1600.
As you know the basis and the architecture of the K1600 bikes is more than 10 years old.
We have investigated the integration of ACC to the bike very intense and deep and come to the conclusion that the necessary changes to the architecture would be significant and enormous. Beside the integration of the necessary sensors and the impact to the design we would have to develop a completely new braking system (full integral ABS). Additionally we would have to modify the Duolever front suspension system. So overall we came to the conclusion that the necessary changes and the development efforts are in an unfavorable ratio and that at the end would lead to an unacceptable price for most of the customers for the ACC in this bike.
So we are very happy to hear that you are a fan of the K1600GT, perhaps we can convince you of the new features we have included in the new K1600 bikes.
Thank you very much and ride safely,
Best regards,
Wolfgang
Spoken as a true beamer fan ;) .. another great review
Thank God I will buy one for myself
Nice review. You didn't mention one of the big differences from the RT is the quick shifter. The K1600 is so smooth from 1st to 6th and back down again, where the RT lacks in this department. But the omission of ACC really is a shame. That said, I'm looking at the GTL for 2-up touring and solo canyon carving.
you can get quick shifter on either
@@shannonalbrecht8012 Yes you can, but the RT’s quick shifter is not as good or smooth as the K1600’s.
@@Rambler358 nothing is as smooth as the k1600 except after 80k it turns into a money pit lol
@@shannonalbrecht8012 Lots of other people with over 100k say otherwise. I’ve also heard some RTs turn into money pits before 50k.
But there’s choices, ride what you like.
@@Rambler358 ok let me translate that.. if you ride it like a grandpa would a goldwing it might not break.. but if you actually take it and kick arse with it.. breakdown central... the people who say otherwise probably never go past 80
BMW, I hope you watching 👀 what most of the K16 riders around the world want from the K bike? ACC. I won't be rushing to my dealer to trade my 21 model K16 for the new one. Just cannot understand why they did not put more engineering effort into the design to add ACC and also blind spot assist onto their flagship model. Lots of K16 riders here in South Africa 🇿🇦 feel the same.
Another fail is not having wireless charging. You must fiddle with connecting a 90 degree connector into your phone evertime you get on the bike....ridiculous.
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Did they sort out the bugs with music apps? On the RT and R18, the nav and music apps conflicts with each other.
I prefer the smooth quickshifter and inline motor, compared to the RT.
Nice review bud, 👌🏼 safe riding.
"Thanks" Scott, for a GREAT review on this 1600 .... Such a big, sexy bike ..... I really want it, but sadly just a tad expensive to own one, ... (for this 60 yr old guy....)
You can have my 2020 1600gt
A wonderful super bike indeed. No question Scott. But, when existing popular technology doesn’t make it to other models in a new year roll out “having no space is not a good answer from BMW”. It would be if the long term plan is to phase out the model or a renovating of the K series front end. Me thinks the renovating has been done. With stringent environmental regs affecting everything and markets for large touring getting smaller, BMW maybe seeing the writing on the wall. But that’s just my .2.
I've just ordered an RS and keeping my fingers crossed for a quick manufacture date but one thing the dealer mentioned was the lack of various manufacturing parts/materials. I don't know if entire EU is affected but the K models are apparently on wait for months while R/GS/RS are 2-3 months tops if not is stock. Could be 'simple' supply chain issues prevented more ACC being implemented across the model lines, or focused on those with higher sales (RT).
Sweet bike, but imho more oriented towards the US rather than EU if you tour off-highway.
You are correct Ivor. I believe the GSA is non order at the moment but the GS can be ordered due to parts for the GSA coming from Ukraine. This was the info at a recent BMW bike trial day
just picked mine up, amazing bike Ill do my 600 miles fast on this, I just love it
This is a rocket ship !!!
Nice review!!!
NTP!!
I test rode both and bought the K1600 GT for one specific spec. The Goldwing has a lean angle of 42o, the K1600 GT has one of 58o.
Hello Scott, looks like your living the dream! Man what a nice ride on all those boring mountain roads! So how would you compare this machine to the gold wing? Cheers.
LOL, thank you. They are very, very close, it would come down to the dealer, which one is nicer and closer to me, BMW or Honda 😁
Same here. Lots to like about the Gold Wing. A BMW and Honda dealer are a mile apart, so that’s a wash. It came down to the riding position for me. Being 6’5”, I sit extremely upright with my legs straight down on the GW and it feels awkward. Looks funny too.
I owned a GT1600 and just traded it in for a Honda ST1300 ..... and now a very happy camper !
Interesting, why change to an ST1300 ?
Love the GT. Btw in the US sales tax may be lower but there is a $4000 tariff on bmw and triumph bikes. Your RT for example is $25500 msrp in the US. KTM not part of it, thanks Harley 🙄
I've owned the K1600GT, and now ride a 2021 RT. The extra weight of the GT is really only an issue moving the bike around, etc. Once it's under way, the weight is not much of a factor. It is a bit slower on turn in than the RT, but the GT holds a line a little better, and feels a bit more stable. The GT handles really well, and certainly does not handle like a cruiser. I've owned the Concours and FJR, and the K16GT handled better than both of those bikes. Both the RT and GT are great bikes. You're either a boxer fan, or you prefer the inline 6.
Owned the K16 (first edition) and now a new owner of the RT. Biggest difference is for me the agility of the RT and feeling of still riding a bike.
The K16 was too much of a car on two wheels. I consider the RT the sweet spot between a GSA (owned two) and the K16.
That funny whining noise comes from the angle drive to the camshaft. My FJR does it too but it sounds a bit different.
Great review, seems like a downgrade from the RT honestly, no adaptive cruise, no wireless phone charger, less gas mileage, heavier and harder to maneuver in parking all for more money. I handled an older K1600GTL in the store, they didn't have an RT avaiable but the K1600GTL was an absolute boat to paddle around a parking lot. I'm buying an RT.
Amazing review!
I know they're different types of motorcycles, but for my second motorcycle, I'm looking into this 2022 or newer, BMW K1600 GT. I also really like the 2020 or newer, BMW R 1250 RS. The last one I like is the 2020 or newer, BMW S 1000 XR.
Next spring or summer, I will be looking for a used, low mile BMW from a BMW dealership only. I'm still up in the air on which one I will go for? I'll have to ride all three, and that will be the final decision maker.
Great review as always. All the time I have been a subscriber I thought you were a German who spoke perfect English then just now you said your from Michigan. I rented a Honda Blackbird in 2004 in a Town called Esslingerstr (?). East of the black forest area. The roads are awesome. At least you don't have to deal with the sorry politics back here in the States and just ride those great motorcycle roads in Germany NTP !!!
Ive said this before but if BMW made a modern version of the K1300GT I’d pounce. Best of all worlds. I have a lighter bike now and the 1250RS will in no way accelerate like the six or four.
My bike is a 2009 RT and this would be a huge upgrade. So would the R1250RT. Other than cost, the stopper with the K bike is maintenance. The valve adjustment costs are nuts on the K bike. That said, it's a cool bike. I just haven't been motivated to buy again.
Yeah BMW should have put de ACC, I just got mine and would have loved that treat, but truth is we’re going through a huge shortage of microprocessors and it would have meant less bikes, on an already depleted market. I live in Mexico and only 7 K1600 made it these year. Food for thought…
I lived there on and off for 20 years and I missed the ride so much than California. I will be back living in Germany again.
I always felt it was top heavy I had a 1600 GTL Excl. Goldwing sits much lower..
K1600 have always had Tokico front brake calipers.
Very nice looking bike, and it has all the bells and whistles one could wish for. There is only one major problem. The foot pegs. They are positioned in a way that creates a knee angle that would make your legs go numb in a very short period of time - if you are a bigger guy.
Your height is 1,78m/5’10”. That’s about the maximum height possible for a GT rider. At 4.08 minutes into the video, one can see that it wouldn’t take much longer legs to create a knee angle totally unsuitable for several hours of touring. By the way, the available seat adjustments of a few centimeters doesn’t solve the problem.
A really big shame that BMW’s biggest sport touring motorcycle (the GT, not referring to the three other less sporty K1600 variants) has been designed in a way that does not accommodate for larger riders.
Couldn't disagree with you more wrt to the GT.. I'm 6'1", have had on knee replaced and plates holding the other tibia plateau together. I'm currently @96,000 and have no complaints about let positioning.
Inductive charging has two issues. First it can’t keep up with the battery drain if using GPS and second it can create more heat. I would guess that they are trying to avoid heat buildup in the phone charger.
They solved both of those problems with my 2021 BMW 1250 RT. In fact, when I'm going to use it the next day, the GPS with my phone, I don't charge it the night before because I know it will charge in the RT while using the GPS. So I figure why should I pay for the electricity (in my house) when I can have the alternator charge it for free on my RT. And there is a fan in the phone compartment to draw out the hot air, it automatically comes one once it reaches a certain temp, I think 30°c.
take care,
Scott
Excellent video again thanks what jeans are you wearing and how do I get some look good ?? Many thanks
The jeans are Trilobite Parado, how do you get them? It really depends on where you live, just google them and then go shopping 👍😁
@NothingToProve thanks regards Alan
Beautiful piece of technique, but like you say it's a Smooth Operator! I'd prefer the RT because it's a boxer and nothing beats a boxer or a V2; the sound, the light tremblin', etc. So, the 6-cylinder is too smooth in my opinion, but nevertheless a dreambike. Yes, Scott, you are too young for this one :-) (did you loose some weight? I think so!) Bye and Thanks!
Yes I have and still am. I want a 6 pack again! :)
Good for you, congrats!
@@NothingToProve So a sixpack, not six cylinders ;-)
@@larryvanputten4048 🤣🤣🤣 yeppers!
Nice review! One thing you did not comment on is how are the mirrors of this vs the RT?
Thank you. They work about the same. It's just that the RT mirrors are lower and you look behind below your elbows and the GT above.
On the BMWs I never use the rear brake except for parking lot maneuvers. As I understand it the braking module, applies optimum rear brake for all situations.. there is a note in my manual about applying rear before front, and feel vs rear after our at same time the feel will be different. I've come to trust it.
I got decisions. Miss my RT. got the s1000xr love it . Got an 18 k16b that I like. Would prefer the GT and a RT.
Hi Scott
I have been looking at all your videos of motorcycles in general and it seems to me that you achieve very good hits in your comments.
I have some questions about the BMW GS, Rt and finally the R18 Bagger. I don't know which of these three to choose. I will be living in Frankfurt Germany for a few years and I don't know which of these bikes would be the most appropriate to have. I would be very grateful if you could give me a hand in seeing which could be the right one for me. I will also tell you that I have had a BMW GS before and I love it but as they say, the changes are always good. I'll be there in early August. It would be nice to meet and make some trips to show me Germany or recommend places to visit. Thank you very much and I look forward to your response.
Thanks Scott great video. A great bike but I love my 1200GS too much to buy one.
Very good review
Scott: I enjoy your reviews. May I ask what brand/model of denim cycle jeans you are wearing in this review?
Thank you. Those are Trilobite Parado jeans. 👍
@@NothingToProve Thanks.
Ĝreat review Scott!
Me too I think that I won't change my 21' RT for K as yet and honestly I don't think I will change, I really love the RT very much.
I own one of these and Ive never seen a motorcycle break so often... keep the RT.. The K bike is the most amazing bike in the world .... heres the issue... ignition coils fail like crazy and there are 6.. the electronic suspension will go around 60000 and its 4000 to replace.... only buy one of these if you have a second bike to ride when this one is in the shop.... and it will be
3 packages...my 2022 R/T showed up with the "select package" not advertised in the order...no radio installed another $600.00 just "radio prep" for $300.00 and no ACC but I can retrofit it if I want to spend another $900.00
Nice video, once again.
Don’t know... without adptative cruise control? No induction charge device for your phone? And we have to pay how much to get the bike? € 30.000,00? I think I’ll pass, still in love with my RT😉✌️
Our Portuguese IVA is 23% added by ISV (Tax Over Vehicles if apllied, right?) 😁😁😁
Not to be disagreeable- but a single side swing arm makes it easier across the pond to change a tire- of course looks are great but- in a emergency- single arm swing arm makes it way easier for tire plug or removal… our country is all longer lol! Maga jk.. amazing video.. im from Michigan too! Love your videos
Greetings. How do you do. Thank you very much for sharing your assessment. Highly appreciated.
Great honest review, I’m torn between the GSA, RT and K1600. What you described at the end existed as the K1200S, updated to the K1300S. I had a K1200S with a full titanium exhaust it had 175bhp at the crank. I used to describe the acceleration in two ways. Firstly, like being strapped to a rocket. Second, just look, think and gone! If they made a K1200/1300S updated with all the gadgets, I’d buy it hands down.
I’m seduced by the K1600GT because of that quickshifter gearbox mated to the inline 6. I test rode the RT (new one) and the previous GSA (before the adaptive headlight). The GSA was great for the potholes that cover the bulk of the UK roads. It also helped to quell the urge to lose my license. The RT was OK, and I liked it, so I’m still stuck. I’m buying in November due to surgery on my spine, but I’m definitely going to try the K1600GT. I’m just concerned about its weight filtering in London traffic.
I’ve got a 21 RT a fine bike but with panniers and top box full with touring gear two up manhandling in parking situations it’s a beast weight wise . I know the big K16 will be even heavier when loaded but I’m thinking that reverse is the factor that helps with the weight real quandary as both are fine bikes but I just worry about the every day garage etc handling of the K vs the RT which is not quite as smooth or rapid but not by much and RT has longer range …….finely balanced as it’s quite a lot to change from one to the other …….still undecided 🙄
No wrong answer to the RT vs. K16 debate. Both are great bikes.
Absolutely. I did.
Your vid is awesome
What is your mic/camera set up while riding? Sounds great
Yes , you nailed !!! 4/cyl , lighter ,…..Any of you guys remember the K1200RS? 1998 (I had the Taxi, yellow black color scheme ). 4Cyl Engine. One of my favorite’s!!!!!How about an updated version. Updated cockpit, electric shield , same 4 cyl engine w/more hp/torque/ on off exhaust baffle like Porsche , AMG ETC , lighter , adaptive cruise. Look at the demographics. It would be an instant hit IMHO. BTW, Here’s my deposit now. 😂
I couldn't have said it better! Thank you!
I believe there has been a couple of software upgrades that specifically were for the map system.
Man thats one bueatiful machines
Great video, however the RT is one of the FINEST bikes in the world.
Before you all run to get a K, few things to consider, BMW's labor/parts are one of the most expensive. Some parts, you will need to hold till they come from Germany. Make sure you have a dealer by you and they have loaners. The service on those is either time or miles. Oil change on them is a pain in the A@@. The K's engine is very complicated and has a lot of moving parts, anything can go wrong and it will and you will open your check book and it will hurt. This bike has a lot of Bosch sensors, I mean a lot. Do you like to work on your bike? get ready, not easy. I had 2 of them and had enough with all kind of issues. Had enough running to the dealer. Sold it and got the new Goldwing DCT Tour. Unbelievable machine. Other than that, the K is a real fun machine to ride. The power is massive, the shift assist is fantastic. I never cared for the reverse clutch. They had some issues. I avoided using it.
You can see what’s going to happen with BMW. Next year sees the new 1300 and 1400 boxer twins for GS’s, which as sure as hens lay eggs will end up in the RT and RS and then you’ll have an RT to be reckoned with even though the current model is superb. I’ve a 1250 GSA, best bike I’ve ever ridden and my wife loves it compared to our Harley Ultra which looks comfortable but isn’t when you’re on uneven surface roads.
Yea, I know, my bank account is having a heart attach about it 🤦♂️😥😢
I didn’t realise you were in Germany 🇩🇪!
You are lucky … Germany has fabulous roads both in the North and South!
You can also access Scandinavia or alternatively head to the Alps for RDGA etc.
It’s a better place than Biden’s America for sure.
What do you think about the Metzeler Roadtec 01 HWM tyres? I put them on my Kawasaki z1000sx and they are great in comparison to the Bridgestone battlax tyres I had before. Only other tyres I know which is as good are the Pirelli Diablo Rosso III.
Nice bike
Great bike, uther crazy price without even advanced cruise control…
But if money wasn’t an issue at all I’ll surely get one for my stable.
I'll consider this bike if I hit the lottery, but of course I couldn't afford to pay the taxes......19% sales tax yikes!
This is basically a Honda ST1100 upgraded properly. Love the 7 gal tank and 40mpg.
In many ways, I agree. I had an '06 ST1300 which I loved. They do handle similarly and are close in weight to the GTL. But Honda, in their "wisdom," chose to phase out the ST and funnel former STers into the new Goldwing. While I like the new tech of the GW, it loses the sportiness of the ST. Meanwhile, not only is the GTL sportier, the tech improvements over the ST, including a reverse gear, cruise control, and buttery smooth quick shifter make me never look back. So your term, "upgraded properly," is the key takeaway to your statement.
I have had 2 Goldwings , superb bike . I would never own a bike that cost more than my house ,hard to find parts and someone to fix it .With Beamer you will need both . Don't get me wrong BMW make good cars and bikes tjere isn't much inferstructor to support them .
Which bike is quicker - the R1250RT (less power, less weight), or the K1600GT (more power, more weight)? Which would you pick for a ride from Southern California to the state of Maine?
RT is quicker, no doubt about that but across the U.S. Hmm...that is a very very close race. I'd still lean towards the RT (and this is a personal thing) because the added weight would get old after a while. But the K motor is so silky smooth and when you start her up...oh the sound of six cylinders is mesmerizing. The K competes against the Gold Wing and the RT against the FJR1300, so really it comes down to sport/touring vs. touring bike. I'd save some weigh and some money and get the RT 😁