Have had a few K1600's - 2012 GTL, 2016 GTL, 2018 B and 2019 GT - so yes, a bit of a fan. In total about 200k miles on them. The bike is nimble on her feet in spite of her weight. Fast. Comfortable. Rewards you when you want to ride quickly, comfy when on long slabs of tarmac. A joy to ride.
I have a GT. Thinking about a new B. One concern is fit. I’m 6’ 2”. I’m concerned that the B may be a tight fit compared to a GT. What is your opinion having owned both?
And, honestly, what about running costs over time, particularly after warranty? How much time did it spend at the shop? Did you keep records? This is the biggest problem I have in finally owning one. I've passed on two in the last three years because of its history and all the warnings in the blogs.
@@gregfleenor9654 The B does have a slightly lower seat height, whereas the GT and GTL have an adjustable low/high settings. With the "feet below you" position, the B does bend your knees slightly more, but I didn't find it uncomfortable. (I'm 5' 11") As you know, the B has the floorboards which provides another position without adding additional bars/pegs that the GT and GTL would require. If you are able to test ride them - either through a dealer, friend or a rental from Twisted Road or Riders-share that would be the best way to determine what is best for you. While I liked the B - and most notably I had the Remus Quad exhaust that sounded AWESOME. She would burble and bark on both hard acceleration and deceleration with the quick shift. I would go up and down thru the gears just to hear... But for me I like the GT as I'm more of a spirited sport rider who takes longer trips (even if the Remus exhaust on the GT doesn't have the sounds of the Remus Quad on the B).
@@allwheeldrive Very little time in the shop. Only one issue with two of the four K1600's - that was a weepy waterpump. (down by the right foot peg) both were covered under warranty. Otherwise normal maintenance - do my own oil changes, diff fluid, battery, air filters. Tires I let a shop and/or dealer handle. Otherwise not a lick of problems. I don't doubt there are those who have had issues (K1600 Forum) but far far more have had nothing but miles and smiles.
K16 way over RT for me ! Coming off FJR after 17 years of bliss, I extensively test-rode RT... and thought "Naah !". K16, to the contrary, was for me the Next Level... still very impressed and loads of riding fun with it, after 2 years !
I first had a 2014 GTL and loved it until it was totaled. Next was a 2017 RT, and although I liked it, it just didn’t fit me well and I missed that inline 6. I traded the RT in for a 2018 Grand America and liked it a lot except for the instability on the freeways. Tires and windshield changes didn’t help with the instability on my model. So I sold the GA and picked up a 2022 GTL. Put on a Sargent seat and couldn’t be happier and the instability issue is gone. Having reverse pretty much negates the additional weight of the K16 for me, as I don’t feel it except for very slow maneuvers. Different strokes for different folks, but this is the bike for me.
Very interesting ! I own a 2016 K1600GT, and I can relate to almost everything you said. But honestly, the RT with its boxer engine stands no chance against this inline 6 in term of joy/pleasure for the pilot. For sure, if you happen to ride mostly within town, or need to do a lot of low speed manoeuvres or even push/pull the bike, yes the RT will be a better choice. But its engine is far from being enjoyable : at low RPM it feels like it would stall or start lugging (even if it actually won't), at mid-range you get outrageous vibrations and rumbling, but yes it gets better high in the rev range with a nice sound. The K16 engine is enjoyable everywhere in the rev range, the power reserve feels infinite and the sound is from amazing to mesmerising even with the stock exhaust ! I even bought it several time to the track and it behaved very well ! (I've never seen anyone doing track days on RTs) This bike clearly is the equivalent of an M5 : it's not a sport vehicle, but it has the best engine you can fit on a big bike and still offers GranTurismo features and comfort. (and just as an M5, you'd find other cars much more "reasonable".... but you won't get the smile this engine will give you) I use it to commute in Paris suburbs, and I can tell you it's better at filtering (lane splitting) than RTs whose mirrors get in the way of a lot of stuff. Honestly the only reason to prefer an RT is for the price (and maintenance cost) or if you live in a country where it rains 80% of the time. Also, the K16 is at its best in the GT version : the GTL, Grand America and Bagger are less ideal versions. You'll lose the sportiness of it with a bad compromise in my opinion. If you want comfort go for an RT or a GoldWing (so that you still get a true engine). If you want a bagger, why choose a bike with 160HP ?
Absolutely agree re plus points 👍. Adaptive Cruise Control is "essential", especially when the lower model RT has it. The next upgrade must have this as standard, plus a properly integrated dashboard, instead of the "bolted on" TFT screen. BMW must listen to K1600 riders!
The BMW 💙🤍 k1600s are the only luxury class sport tourers on the planet. My wife loves it and said between the semi active suspension and the smooth inline 6 engine It’s what she imagine riding on a cloud is like or maybe even Aladdin’s magic carpet😁. BMW k1600’s are In a class of their own. If you want a premium luxurious sport tourer there are NO other options. The only options there are is what kind of k1600 do you get. A GT, B, GA, or GTL?!? Decisions, decisions😎 Maybe just get one of each😉
Such an accurate review of the K 1600. As someone who owned GS, GSA, K 1600 and the RT, if you are never doing off roading, the RT is the champion of the touring bikes.
I had 2 GT a 2012 and a 2015 … 40k miles between them … comfortable fast … when i lived in Netherlands and Belgium… great for cross Europe trips… since 2019 am back in Scotland and on my 2nd 1250GSA … tempted to return to a 16 again .. was a great bike
The RT is a fine bike and I do like my 2021. However, having owned several K1600GT's, I can say that my observations are that the K1600 makes everything feel effortless. It never feels strained, or over the tips of it's ski's. As good as the 1250 is, it is no buttery smooth inline 6, and you will know when you are cruising at 85-100 mph. Whereas with the K1600, the engine just pours out smooth turbine like power in a way that seems like the engine is not working hard at all. The K1600 is also more planted on the road, not that the RT feels sketchy, but the RT just feels a bit less planted. The RT has lighter handling, so if tight canyons are part of the journey, the RT had the advantage, but it isn't massive. The K1600GT will hustle, it just takes a little more effort. I would say the the K1600GT is a bit roomier for the pillion. RT and K1600GT are about the same price, though the RT is cheaper to maintain. In the end, you either like an inline 6 or twin.
I would have to agree with your statements about the K1600 being more planted at higher speeds. I've owned an '19 RT for 3+ years and I am seriously considering jumping over to the k1600GT this coming spring for just that reason. Especially in our North American midwest & western states, where we have such long, straight & fast highways we need to traverse for hours just to get to the more scenic and twisty routes, It just makes sense to have a highway 'cruise-missile' that can also do double duty in the twisty's.
I’m so glad that I went with the RT, I considered this because of the engine but in the end the overall balance, additional tech and lower weight tipped it in favour of the RT
I've had an RT as well - and loved the light weight and nimbleness. Also have had 4 K1600's - 2 GTL's, a B and a GT. So I guess I like the power available at any speed, gear and elevation. The 6 pulls like a freight train.
Used a mates one for an eight day trip 3,500 kms to be honest didn’t like it to start, end of the trip loved it! Brilliant touring bike, the best there is
The K16GT is a lovely concept, but reliability is atrocious for a premium motorcycle. I had a TPS, Coil and switch gear failure in about 15k miles. I also find the "dash" just looks like a cheap looking ipad that's been slapped on as an afterthought. The gear box is also extremely clunky and quite surgy. I went back to an FJR ES and never looked back. 5000 miles around Norway last summer and it was bliss. Thanks for the video. 👌
I have had a GSA, a K1300s, and a couple of S1000RR's... and although I loved the GSA as an all around bike... for strict road touring the k1600 is far superior! The RT may be great but is lacking in appearance and performance for me
This type of a motorcycle is made for a person that really loves to be on a motorcycle and knows how to handle one. He is gonna have a ball on this type of bike. I think other than performance, the single, most important part of a motorcycle is the fit. Does it fit you? that makes all the difference in your riding abilitie and in your enjoyment
I have a 2021 RT at the present day. I still enjoy the bike and it has a lot of virtues. The wind protection is superb; It handles quite well on very different type of roads and the suspension system is very satisfying; It can be ridden in a more sporty way but despite the well balanced performance the comfort zone for this machine is not the sporty environment or sporty riding manner. It can be ridden fast but it’s not what we feel it was meant for; It’s heavy and large but no so heavy to need a reverse gear. The bike is normally manageable by hand. It’s a nice versatile bike but after three years of ownership I got dull with it. Tried the K1600 GT and liked it. The ride felt familiar but peppier. The six cilindre engine is a statement for harmony. I have no complaints about the old and good boxer engine, but I recognize that the six in line motor is a completely different talk. I could felt what it was made for. And I could say that I found what was lacking on my beloved 1250 RT. Dynamically, the wind effect on the bike , and the suspension can be less forgiving on the K1600 GT than the one servicing the RT? Of course it does! The RT is a easier bike to handle generally speaking by an average skilled rider? True! But when you feel that the bike is getting dull for you. What do you do? Will you stop riding?? No. Not at all. You’ve just arrived to the point where you’re ready for up grade your sets and step up your game moving to own a K1600 GT. Or, you’re not evolving anymore, you’re stagnating or degreasing, because of aging or because of health and you don’t need to stop having the pleasure of riding a bike. You’re still in shape to travel riding a bike. Then you backdown a little on challenging and more demanding machines and you step down a little bit and buy an RT. Which by the way, I own one, and can reassure, it’s an excellent touring bike! It’s not quite a thing of what’s the best bike. It’s a thing of knowing what’s the best bike for you in a certain moment. That’s the relevant question. Both bikes have their characteristics. If they were the same, there was no reason for both to exist on the same frame of space and time, offered by the same Brand. They exist both because they’re meaningful in terms of market potential, where both models own relevant selling shares. I’m giving up the adaptive cruise control, the better wind management, the better low speed maneuverability, and generally more forgiving and easy controlling RT for the more demanding and straight usability of the K1600 GT’s . Why? Because it’s time to feel that rush again. Of trying to control and own something a little more difficult to get comfortable with. Because I am still young and strong enough to? If I don’t try it, maybe I will never know the answer, right? Let’s find out. Next week, I’ll be swapping bikes! Wish me luck! Thanks for the video and community comments. This was really pleasant and useful. To everyone: - Please ride safe (but don’t forget to enjoy!) ✌🏻✌🏻
I would say, the engine is endless. I feel that it isn’t explorable on public roads. In that sense the swapp of bikes, the RT 1250 for the K1600 GT was the right decision. The gearbox isn’t comparable. The gearbox of the K1600 GT is way smoother and precise. Another difference is the feeling of the bike weight. Mainly that factor is always present. In general this is a good thing, you’ll be alert of the situation not forgetting that you’re handling an heavy machine, specially in slow maneuvers and bad asphalt roads, but I prefer that sensation to the floating sensation of the RT. I m not missing the adaptive Cruise control, the traditional device covers well the need for it on longer highway trips. The extra weight of the GT gives you better general stability and specially when the bike is facing strong cross winds. The windshield and aerodynamic protection on the GT is not so efficient as on the RT but it is close enough. The difference is that on the GT you’ll have the tendency to ride it faster than on the RT, so the wind blast will be more notable. Generally, it’s a clear step up. But it isn’t easier to ride compared with the RT. The RT is easier in almost every way you look at it. The GT is more technical in terms of riding skills from the rider. It’s forgiving but not RT forgiving. A serious bike in my opinion, I’m very satisfied with my decision 👌🏻
@@Fernando90054 Hey Fernando, thank you for the descriptive reply, and l think, by your reply that you are enjoying the K16. Have fun, ride well, Kindest Regards.
Great all round road bike. I’ve ridden a few and like the hayabusa it’s fast, comfortable, planted and powerful with almost infinite torque. It’s a tad heavy tho. That’s all I found negative.
First, what a great long term review. The beast is not always the best choice. It wasn’t mentioned, but higher center of gravity also makes a difference in low speed handling and padding around. I did go for a 2021 RT last year, with the MCN honest and open review making a big impact in my decision. I also don’t use the phone cubby hole because it is to small, so a small tank bag works great and connectivity is great as long as one has the latest firmware update. Great job guys.
While I've no inention of buying such a behemoth, the Q&A (scripted & not) proved fascinating right to the end. Relaxed, informative, enjoyable content. Thank-you.
I rode my shiny new K1600 (identical to the one you are riding) out of the showroom exactly a year ago today!! Im off to Iceland from the UK via Netherlands and Denmark in June and can't wait to start riding and filming! 🙂
They’re both BMW’s, both touring bikes and both have a lot of storage. In my opinion that is where the comparison ends with an RT. The in-line 6 outperforms the 2cylinder boxer on all levels. Also on stability and comfort e.g. in having a lot less vibration etc. This connectivity stuff actually is a negative point for me. And most of the things you don’t like really sound like personal preferences and not per say bad things on the K1600. Personally I wouldn’t even consider an RT but very much enjoyed riding the GT version. Looking into buying a new GTL now
I went from a K1600 to a GS. The K1600 was fantastic for long distance touring but, it was heavy. Pretty awkward for around - town commuting etc. I find the GS handles daily duties much better and doesn't give up very much when it comes to touring.
No handlebar control back lights on my 2014 GTL---I hate that. My 2005 Goldwing has back lights on all controls. I don't know if the 2022 GT has that or not. IMO this is a huge oversight for an over 30K $ machine. Just sayin.
Great presentation. I like the look of GT more than of RT. In general I do not enjoy touring bikes with vortex turbulences. I hoped BMW would put 1600 engine in a bike which would be more similar to K1200/1300S. Although I am very happy with my R1200GSA I sometimes miss my K1200S.
The motorcycle press always seems to compare the K1600GT to the RT with the RT winning out. The RT looks ridiculous to me with that huge fairing. Isn't the R1250RS a more appropriate option? The RS looks a lot sportier.
Thanks for vindicating my choice of an RT. At one point, it was a 3 way split: GSA, RT or GT. The GT was ruled out because of the lack of ACC. The GSA, which my wife loved on the test ride, ruled out due to weather protection. The RT won my vote because it’s the complete bike for my needs. I commute to London, 3 times a week doing the A14, A1, A406, and it’s done in all but the iciest conditions. I will be two up touring, starting in April, with a trip to North Wales followed by the Lakes, Dales and Scotland. The RT is a better value proposition, or it was until the production slow down means what used to be standard in LE Trim is now at extra cost. That takes what used to be a £21k bike to £23.5k. I love my RT, if it had the 30 litre GSA tank it’d be perfect. I can only get 1.5 commutes out of the tank and that’s riding in eco. BTW, the ACC (radar cruise) is amazing.
I had a 2011 model and I loved it for all the same reasons mentioned here - it's spoilt me for pretty much any other touring bike - but mine had a wonky clutch thanks to being an early production unit, which made low-speed handling unpredictable, and the weight of it meant I couldn't pick it back up by myself... I even sprained my ankle trying to lift it once, so I had to let it go.
I think this is a wonderful looking bike. I think it's also fast, comfortable, high tech, and well thought out. But due to price, repair, etc...I guess I have to suffer and keep my old 2006 honda st1300. But this is what I'd buy if I was retired, had disposable income, lived near a dealer, and could afford the tow truck and ride back home etc...just for the joy of having the best. I bet that in-line 6 is as sweet as sugar cinnamon butter. Love that paint scheme. I'd love to tear up the Swiss alps on this thing.
Great video review thanks. I went from a 2010 K1300GT to a 2020 R1250RT. Noticed a huge loss in power, but gained extra gadgets and seemingly lower centre of gravity and easier to manouvere. Rarely put the K1300GT on the centre stand for example. I'm seriously tempted by the K1600GT but the model before the 10.25" TFT so I can plug in my Navigator GPS. I'll be interested to see what the R1300RT is like when it finally arrives.
I think in the UK young people are less inclined to buy motorcycles for two reasons. 1) Changes in licencing laws since the mid-1980s. 2) No more 2-stroke (In my day you could jump on a 250cc 2-stroke bike aged 17, e.g. Yamaha TDR or TZR 250 which were fast bikes) The licencing laws were changed where I live in Jersey without warning in the middle of the night due to 4 of my friends having been killed in 3 separate incidents within months of each other. All of them were riding TZRs.
I have this and the GSA, and the GS has much more comfortable suspension , wind management (with the right screen), and has a more comfortable riding position. Surprising.
Love the review gents. You truly cover everything from the riders perspective. The challenge for some of us, is our loved ones who ride pillion. I had a 2015 exclusive. Effectively, a king size bed for the pillion with armrests. Trying to convert her to a Multistrada 1260s has become a challenge. Perhaps a Russel day long setup, with top box also done? But now how do I get passed the armrests? So probably will go Exclusive again, but with performance pipes. Have to hear that motor sing.
After 6000 miles on a 2018 k1600 and only 2000 miles on a 2021 rt, I;m glad i switched to the rt. the k bike is very top heavy. Lean a little too far and over it goes. Thank god for the ilium motowerks engine and luggage guard, Even the dealer couldn't tell the k1600 tipped over once. The friction point on the k1600 is almost at the full release poinjt, rt is not much better. Like having no friction point at all. Makes low speed maneuvering harder than it should be.
I suspect the latest round of upgrades will be the last. The K1600 must be nearly at the end of its production life. Hence no investment in improving the cruise control or phone compartment. I’ve had two GT,s, and the weight is not that much of an issue. I find it adds to the stability of the bike in nearly all circumstances. It’s great in really heavy wind for example. As a true sports tourer, it does what it’s designed for extremely well. I wish people would not always compare these bikes with Goldwings,especially the GT. I don’t agree that it gets uncomfortable after long days of 600 miles? Most owners,not those with free bikes on loan, adapt the bike to suit them,as most of us do. Don’t think this was an accurate summary of the bike’s capabilities.
Few months ago I did buy a used 12 K1600GT. The bike is a rocket & I don't think the RT can compare in terms of engine power & acceleration. But these bikes have too many things that will go wrong. Mine the rear shock was toast, one of the tire sensors keep going out, one Coil goes out every now & then. Fuel pump had to be replaced on a recall. Then the comfort issue, rode 200 miles round trip in one day. My Right arm was numb, back was killing me and just all around uncomfortable. Windshield sucks & it rattles over rough roads when fully extended. Wind protection is not that great. My old LT was so much better in all of those areas. Even my 1999 RT is better. But the engine and speed of the GT bike is hard to beat. I just wish for a top of the line bike it did not have these issues, there is simply no excuse.
Here in Stockholm it's rare to see a bike on the roads between December and March, except the odd supermoto with studded tires. Yet in the UK (and Canada?) it seems that you keep riding even when temperatures hit freezing? How do you not die to ice?
It's rare for temperatures below 0 degrees Celsius in the UK and main roads are treated with salt to reduce the possibility of ice. But road salt kills bikes, unless it washed off quickly, or the motorcycle is treated with an anti corrosion spray. I usually spend as long cleaning as riding, during the winter months!
Yeah the last thing I’d ever choose to do is ride in slick or Icy riding conditions. I can do rain but once it begins to get cold, and the temp drops the tires grab less payment and things can get sketchy really quickly.
Nothing like Sweden. Average December temp in UK is about 5degC so winter riding is perfectly doable and plenty ride all year long, but the majority don't. I have always ridden all year round and you can get winter tyres now (Anlas) which make a huge difference in wet and snow. You need heated gear too so you don't freeze.
Would love to see this engine in a BMW R1250RS kind of bike!! “BMW R1600RS”. Not to big, Nice big bore engine. Basic luxeries. But not to much. -100kg of weight👌🏻
Got the 2022 GT, ever wondered how to get your phone out of the box when you got no power ( electricity ) ? then you can start demounting your windscreen and bracets ...
I can imagine that, after not too many years, one or more of the features that people buy these uber-tech bikes for stops working, and the price of diagnosing the problem and remedying it is more than the bike is worth. It's fine to say that after 9,000 miles the bike looks good. But, unless it didn't, it's not very helpful. I really do question the practical lifespan of these machines, and ones that are much cheaper with not too dissimilar tech. MCN should do long term reviews and cost of ownership more than it does. BMW, I hear, isn't the most reliable brand out there.
I think it's a reasonable fear but I have a 2012 model with over 60,000 miles and so far so good. Obviously routine preventative maintenance costs do add up, but it doesn't make financial sense to pay the ~$30k it costs for a new one at this point.
Agreed. EU Legislation wants more and more tech on cars and bikes. Seemingly, whoever makes these decisions don’t have to pay when an engine light comes on due to some non issue…
Maybe adaptive cruise control is needed on this bike, as it's more at home on the interstate than the twisties. But frankly, I don't want a bike that slows down or speeds up on its own. And hey, you're on a motorcycle....you're not supposed to be following...you're leading!!
I’ve had all 3, the RT in 1100, 1200 AC and LC variants, and own a Goldwing DCT Tour at moment, IMHO the Goldwing is in another league to the K16 , it’s just a miles better bike, better made, more reliable, far easier to manage, DCT provides sublime changes, and actually feels faster on the road courtesy of the instant grunt and super quick DCT transmission, mind you it is a lot more expensive . Probably get shot down in flames for saying such sacrilege but it’s what I’ve found, if you don’t believe me take a test ride on a Goldwing, I’m pretty certain it will change your perception
@@UltimateDazzle Hi Daryl, I have owned 1500 wing, for 30 years, so I know how good the Goldwings are, (though never liked the 1st 1800 looks) And although my 1500 a 1992 model, it could hold it's own on most roads. I daren't not test ride the new wing (I have a NC750X 2021 DCT) as I would selling a kidney!
Sign of the times: a radio dropping in and out is ranked as a bigger problem than suspension and seating position. Not for me; these two are show stoppers.
The whole mindset of storing your smartphone on your bike imho is wrong. And this is the worst implementation which is over engineered. I can understand the need on long trips to recharge a phone but cubby holes with fans is ridiculous. For safety and security purposes you should always keep your phone on your person! We need dedicated nav on bikes. Your phone is for you NOT your bike.
Meg, I like using a phone for nav in both cars and bikes, I can easily upgrade, never need to worry about updating and can use whatever app I like. I only need a holder and a 12v socket.
I exclusively use my phone nav on my bikes and in my car. The phone nav gives me warnings about red light cameras, speed traps and quick traffic solutions. I actually run the phone nav even when I know my way because of the warnings and traffic rerouting.
I absolutely agree, although the use of the phone as a sat nav screen is undoubtedly useful and simple to update its not much use when you are lying at the side of the road trying to summon help and your bike is in bits 50ms away.
Hated this bike had this very color rode it for 1000 miles and the dealer was nice enough to buy it back, it's a boat on wheels, bought a 2023 ducati multostrada pikes peak
As he said clearly in summary, when he asked Bmw, its due to massive torque, 70% from 1700rpm, that's gears need to be large and gapped further apart in cluster to cope with torque, hence the clunking. Suzuki don't have that problem as they don't make a 132ft lb engine of this size or spec. That's why Suzuki box is super smooth. So BMW does not need any lessons from Suzuki.
@@checker3694 What you said, and Ricardo actually designed the engine/gearbox for BMW, so if one insists on pointing fingers, that's the direction to point them. //cdn.ricardo.com/motorcycle/media/events/rmc%207.0/mc7_rq2-11_dreamsix.pdf (that D/Ls a pdf)
@Tim Arnold I think it's time Suzuki starts learning things from German Italian and British motorcycle manufacturers in Truimph, on how to build motorcycles, or they will only have the scooter market 10 Years from now, the great GSXR is history now, and their cars are are targeted at Hair dresser market.
Lol. I’ve owned two gixxers. One I didn’t even take delivery of. The cam chain snapped during pre-delivery at the dealer. Years later, I decided to try again. Nope. Another catastrophic failure within days of ownership. Have also had other brands from the same country die. Kawasaki overheating riding it home from dealer. Seized engine. Since then, I’ve owned other brands from America, India, and Germany. I’m here because I need a comfortable mile muncher that I don’t want to explode from the dealer, or fall asleep on because it’s boring to ride either. The K1600 is ticking all the boxes.
Interesting how he keeps mentioning “first world solution”, I can tell you since I live in the “third world”, those creature comforts and solutions are equally applicable here in Kenya.
Blind spot detection is, as the man says...pretty much continually....a First World appliance to be desired. I cannot, for the life of me, reconcile following cars and lorries at the same speed as being a desirable biking option that you have to pay money for. Get a car!!!!!!! or a Lorry!!!!!!!!! Inane idea.
It would be very instructive to follow this up with a long-term Goldwing review. Also, considering a 3-year-old version is a serious crap-shoot. All one needs to do is go to the forums and quickly compile a list of things that go wrong, some services/repairs only at dealers, cost of parts, etc. I just about purchased two BMWs recently, then chickened out after doing the research. I've had three BMW cars, the last of which was brand new, and will NEVER again give that company another dime. Dealing with them was the definition of arrogance and customer-directed apathy.
A) Dealers in the USA are going away, every year, more and more. Unless BMW car dealers will honor bike service, this will be a big problem in the US. I will not ride 1.5 - 2 hours for service. B) The K is very complexed machine. Anything can and will go wrong. if it does go wrong, good luck with your bank account. I was extremally disappointment with mine back then, new 18 Grand America. So many issues, either mechanically or design issues that I just gave up. I refuse to believe that a bike with 15K on it will have as much issues as a 10 year old bike with 100K bike. I want to ride and ride only. I don't want to ride to the dealer every week. Be worn !!!!
Hope this "reviewer" is a better editor than he is a judge of motorcycles. I busted out laughing with he stated the RT's engine was peppier and more engaging... What planet does he come from. Now I know why I quit subscribing to their rag.
Watched the first part , Great that Santander stepped up , still a lot of work chasing KTM ,not very good on the brand name or the company policy on warranty issues,like I said in the first video like the looks of the kTM but never owned one never wanted one , and after this run around you have had wouldn’t touch the KTM BRAND at all ,absolutely disgraceful from the KTM company ,
Im not sure i get the gimmicks like blind spot blah blah and adaptive this and that. I avoid motorways like the plague and the sorts of long drives where those toys might be nice then im more likely to want to drive. Who would no longer look over their shoulder to check if a lane is clear, i wouldnt trust a gadget to get it right.
Have had a few K1600's - 2012 GTL, 2016 GTL, 2018 B and 2019 GT - so yes, a bit of a fan. In total about 200k miles on them. The bike is nimble on her feet in spite of her weight. Fast. Comfortable. Rewards you when you want to ride quickly, comfy when on long slabs of tarmac. A joy to ride.
I have a GT. Thinking about a new B. One concern is fit. I’m 6’ 2”. I’m concerned that the B may be a tight fit compared to a GT. What is your opinion having owned both?
And, honestly, what about running costs over time, particularly after warranty? How much time did it spend at the shop? Did you keep records? This is the biggest problem I have in finally owning one. I've passed on two in the last three years because of its history and all the warnings in the blogs.
@@gregfleenor9654 The B does have a slightly lower seat height, whereas the GT and GTL have an adjustable low/high settings. With the "feet below you" position, the B does bend your knees slightly more, but I didn't find it uncomfortable. (I'm 5' 11") As you know, the B has the floorboards which provides another position without adding additional bars/pegs that the GT and GTL would require. If you are able to test ride them - either through a dealer, friend or a rental from Twisted Road or Riders-share that would be the best way to determine what is best for you. While I liked the B - and most notably I had the Remus Quad exhaust that sounded AWESOME. She would burble and bark on both hard acceleration and deceleration with the quick shift. I would go up and down thru the gears just to hear... But for me I like the GT as I'm more of a spirited sport rider who takes longer trips (even if the Remus exhaust on the GT doesn't have the sounds of the Remus Quad on the B).
@@allwheeldrive Very little time in the shop. Only one issue with two of the four K1600's - that was a weepy waterpump. (down by the right foot peg) both were covered under warranty. Otherwise normal maintenance - do my own oil changes, diff fluid, battery, air filters. Tires I let a shop and/or dealer handle. Otherwise not a lick of problems. I don't doubt there are those who have had issues (K1600 Forum) but far far more have had nothing but miles and smiles.
Yeah what they're all saying is ... buy a tmax
K16 way over RT for me ! Coming off FJR after 17 years of bliss, I extensively test-rode RT... and thought "Naah !". K16, to the contrary, was for me the Next Level... still very impressed and loads of riding fun with it, after 2 years !
I first had a 2014 GTL and loved it until it was totaled. Next was a 2017 RT, and although I liked it, it just didn’t fit me well and I missed that inline 6. I traded the RT in for a 2018 Grand America and liked it a lot except for the instability on the freeways. Tires and windshield changes didn’t help with the instability on my model. So I sold the GA and picked up a 2022 GTL. Put on a Sargent seat and couldn’t be happier and the instability issue is gone. Having reverse pretty much negates the additional weight of the K16 for me, as I don’t feel it except for very slow maneuvers. Different strokes for different folks, but this is the bike for me.
I have a GTL. Why do you figure the GS felt different on the highway?? I would have thought they would feel the same.
Very interesting !
I own a 2016 K1600GT, and I can relate to almost everything you said. But honestly, the RT with its boxer engine stands no chance against this inline 6 in term of joy/pleasure for the pilot.
For sure, if you happen to ride mostly within town, or need to do a lot of low speed manoeuvres or even push/pull the bike, yes the RT will be a better choice.
But its engine is far from being enjoyable : at low RPM it feels like it would stall or start lugging (even if it actually won't), at mid-range you get outrageous vibrations and rumbling, but yes it gets better high in the rev range with a nice sound.
The K16 engine is enjoyable everywhere in the rev range, the power reserve feels infinite and the sound is from amazing to mesmerising even with the stock exhaust !
I even bought it several time to the track and it behaved very well ! (I've never seen anyone doing track days on RTs)
This bike clearly is the equivalent of an M5 : it's not a sport vehicle, but it has the best engine you can fit on a big bike and still offers GranTurismo features and comfort.
(and just as an M5, you'd find other cars much more "reasonable".... but you won't get the smile this engine will give you)
I use it to commute in Paris suburbs, and I can tell you it's better at filtering (lane splitting) than RTs whose mirrors get in the way of a lot of stuff.
Honestly the only reason to prefer an RT is for the price (and maintenance cost) or if you live in a country where it rains 80% of the time.
Also, the K16 is at its best in the GT version : the GTL, Grand America and Bagger are less ideal versions. You'll lose the sportiness of it with a bad compromise in my opinion. If you want comfort go for an RT or a GoldWing (so that you still get a true engine). If you want a bagger, why choose a bike with 160HP ?
Absolutely agree re plus points 👍. Adaptive Cruise Control is "essential", especially when the lower model RT has it. The next upgrade must have this as standard, plus a properly integrated dashboard, instead of the "bolted on" TFT screen. BMW must listen to K1600 riders!
The BMW 💙🤍 k1600s are the only luxury class sport tourers on the planet. My wife loves it and said between the semi active suspension and the smooth inline 6 engine It’s what she imagine riding on a cloud is like or maybe even Aladdin’s magic carpet😁. BMW k1600’s are In a class of their own. If you want a premium luxurious sport tourer there are NO other options. The only options there are is what kind of k1600 do you get. A GT, B, GA, or GTL?!? Decisions, decisions😎 Maybe just get one of each😉
Such an accurate review of the K 1600. As someone who owned GS, GSA, K 1600 and the RT, if you are never doing off roading, the RT is the champion of the touring bikes.
I had 2 GT a 2012 and a 2015 … 40k miles between them … comfortable fast … when i lived in Netherlands and Belgium… great for cross Europe trips… since 2019 am back in Scotland and on my 2nd 1250GSA … tempted to return to a 16 again .. was a great bike
The RT is a fine bike and I do like my 2021. However, having owned several K1600GT's, I can say that my observations are that the K1600 makes everything feel effortless. It never feels strained, or over the tips of it's ski's. As good as the 1250 is, it is no buttery smooth inline 6, and you will know when you are cruising at 85-100 mph. Whereas with the K1600, the engine just pours out smooth turbine like power in a way that seems like the engine is not working hard at all. The K1600 is also more planted on the road, not that the RT feels sketchy, but the RT just feels a bit less planted. The RT has lighter handling, so if tight canyons are part of the journey, the RT had the advantage, but it isn't massive. The K1600GT will hustle, it just takes a little more effort. I would say the the K1600GT is a bit roomier for the pillion. RT and K1600GT are about the same price, though the RT is cheaper to maintain. In the end, you either like an inline 6 or twin.
I would have to agree with your statements about the K1600 being more planted at higher speeds. I've owned an '19 RT for 3+ years and I am seriously considering jumping over to the k1600GT this coming spring for just that reason. Especially in our North American midwest & western states, where we have such long, straight & fast highways we need to traverse for hours just to get to the more scenic and twisty routes, It just makes sense to have a highway 'cruise-missile' that can also do double duty in the twisty's.
Did you feel fatigued after long days?
Superb comprehensive summery of the bike. Thank you for putting this series together.
I’m so glad that I went with the RT, I considered this because of the engine but in the end the overall balance, additional tech and lower weight tipped it in favour of the RT
I've had an RT as well - and loved the light weight and nimbleness. Also have had 4 K1600's - 2 GTL's, a B and a GT. So I guess I like the power available at any speed, gear and elevation. The 6 pulls like a freight train.
Ty this answers my question on your other comment:)
Used a mates one for an eight day trip 3,500 kms to be honest didn’t like it to start, end of the trip loved it! Brilliant touring bike, the best there is
The K16GT is a lovely concept, but reliability is atrocious for a premium motorcycle. I had a TPS, Coil and switch gear failure in about 15k miles. I also find the "dash" just looks like a cheap looking ipad that's been slapped on as an afterthought. The gear box is also extremely clunky and quite surgy. I went back to an FJR ES and never looked back. 5000 miles around Norway last summer and it was bliss. Thanks for the video. 👌
I have had a GSA, a K1300s, and a couple of S1000RR's... and although I loved the GSA as an all around bike... for strict road touring the k1600 is far superior! The RT may be great but is lacking in appearance and performance for me
This type of a motorcycle is made for a person that really loves to be on a motorcycle and knows how to handle one. He is gonna have a ball on this type of bike. I think other than performance, the single, most important part of a motorcycle is the fit. Does it fit you? that makes all the difference in your riding abilitie and in your enjoyment
I have a 2021 RT at the present day. I still enjoy the bike and it has a lot of virtues. The wind protection is superb; It handles quite well on very different type of roads and the suspension system is very satisfying; It can be ridden in a more sporty way but despite the well balanced performance the comfort zone for this machine is not the sporty environment or sporty riding manner. It can be ridden fast but it’s not what we feel it was meant for; It’s heavy and large but no so heavy to need a reverse gear. The bike is normally manageable by hand. It’s a nice versatile bike but after three years of ownership I got dull with it. Tried the K1600 GT and liked it. The ride felt familiar but peppier. The six cilindre engine is a statement for harmony. I have no complaints about the old and good boxer engine, but I recognize that the six in line motor is a completely different talk. I could felt what it was made for. And I could say that I found what was lacking on my beloved 1250 RT.
Dynamically, the wind effect on the bike , and the suspension can be less forgiving on the K1600 GT than the one servicing the RT? Of course it does! The RT is a easier bike to handle generally speaking by an average skilled rider? True! But when you feel that the bike is getting dull for you. What do you do? Will you stop riding?? No. Not at all. You’ve just arrived to the point where you’re ready for up grade your sets and step up your game moving to own a K1600 GT.
Or, you’re not evolving anymore, you’re stagnating or degreasing, because of aging or because of health and you don’t need to stop having the pleasure of riding a bike. You’re still in shape to travel riding a bike. Then you backdown a little on challenging and more demanding machines and you step down a little bit and buy an RT. Which by the way, I own one, and can reassure, it’s an excellent touring bike! It’s not quite a thing of what’s the best bike. It’s a thing of knowing what’s the best bike for you in a certain moment. That’s the relevant question. Both bikes have their characteristics. If they were the same, there was no reason for both to exist on the same frame of space and time, offered by the same Brand. They exist both because they’re meaningful in terms of market potential, where both models own relevant selling shares.
I’m giving up the adaptive cruise control, the better wind management, the better low speed maneuverability, and generally more forgiving and easy controlling RT for the more demanding and straight usability of the K1600 GT’s . Why?
Because it’s time to feel that rush again. Of trying to control and own something a little more difficult to get comfortable with. Because I am still young and strong enough to? If I don’t try it, maybe I will never know the answer, right? Let’s find out.
Next week, I’ll be swapping bikes! Wish me luck!
Thanks for the video and community comments. This was really pleasant and useful.
To everyone: - Please ride safe (but don’t forget to enjoy!)
✌🏻✌🏻
Hi Fernando, you've had your new bike for about a month, how is it?
I would say, the engine is endless. I feel that it isn’t explorable on public roads. In that sense the swapp of bikes, the RT 1250 for the K1600 GT was the right decision. The gearbox isn’t comparable. The gearbox of the K1600 GT is way smoother and precise. Another difference is the feeling of the bike weight. Mainly that factor is always present. In general this is a good thing, you’ll be alert of the situation not forgetting that you’re handling an heavy machine, specially in slow maneuvers and bad asphalt roads, but I prefer that sensation to the floating sensation of the RT. I m not missing the adaptive Cruise control, the traditional device covers well the need for it on longer highway trips. The extra weight of the GT gives you better general stability and specially when the bike is facing strong cross winds. The windshield and aerodynamic protection on the GT is not so efficient as on the RT but it is close enough. The difference is that on the GT you’ll have the tendency to ride it faster than on the RT, so the wind blast will be more notable. Generally, it’s a clear step up. But it isn’t easier to ride compared with the RT. The RT is easier in almost every way you look at it. The GT is more technical in terms of riding skills from the rider. It’s forgiving but not RT forgiving. A serious bike in my opinion, I’m very satisfied with my decision 👌🏻
@@Fernando90054
Hey Fernando, thank you for the descriptive reply, and l think, by your reply that you are enjoying the K16.
Have fun, ride well, Kindest Regards.
@@colinm1325 thank you. The pleasure was mine! Be well and ride safe too 👌🏻
Great all round road bike. I’ve ridden a few and like the hayabusa it’s fast, comfortable, planted and powerful with almost infinite torque. It’s a tad heavy tho. That’s all I found negative.
First, what a great long term review. The beast is not always the best choice. It wasn’t mentioned, but higher center of gravity also makes a difference in low speed handling and padding around. I did go for a 2021 RT last year, with the MCN honest and open review making a big impact in my decision. I also don’t use the phone cubby hole because it is to small, so a small tank bag works great and connectivity is great as long as one has the latest firmware update. Great job guys.
While I've no inention of buying such a behemoth, the Q&A (scripted & not) proved fascinating right to the end. Relaxed, informative, enjoyable content. Thank-you.
I rode my shiny new K1600 (identical to the one you are riding) out of the showroom exactly a year ago today!! Im off to Iceland from the UK via Netherlands and Denmark in June and can't wait to start riding and filming! 🙂
Always loved the k series, wish they would bring back a lighter version
I have a 2018 model and I have never had any complaints about the front suspension maybe just better roads where I live
Great update, excellent insights. Totally agree, I’d go with the RT too!
They’re both BMW’s, both touring bikes and both have a lot of storage. In my opinion that is where the comparison ends with an RT. The in-line 6 outperforms the 2cylinder boxer on all levels. Also on stability and comfort e.g. in having a lot less vibration etc. This connectivity stuff actually is a negative point for me. And most of the things you don’t like really sound like personal preferences and not per say bad things on the K1600. Personally I wouldn’t even consider an RT but very much enjoyed riding the GT version. Looking into buying a new GTL now
I agree. The negatives seemed to be in the list in order to create a list.....
That’s a top review guys. I was v tempted to buy one to replace my GSA. I think that might be a mistake now. Appreciated. 👍🏻
I went from a K1600 to a GS. The K1600 was fantastic for long distance touring but, it was heavy. Pretty awkward for around - town commuting etc.
I find the GS handles daily duties much better and doesn't give up very much when it comes to touring.
Gs is super but I found moving from this to a gs was a massive engine downgrade
No handlebar control back lights on my 2014 GTL---I hate that. My 2005 Goldwing has back lights on all controls. I don't know if the 2022 GT has that or not. IMO this is a huge oversight for an over 30K $ machine. Just sayin.
Great presentation. I like the look of GT more than of RT. In general I do not enjoy touring bikes with vortex turbulences. I hoped BMW would put 1600 engine in a bike which would be more similar to K1200/1300S. Although I am very happy with my R1200GSA I sometimes miss my K1200S.
I think the K1300 was the epitome of styling and really the K1600 Sport just doesn't look the part.
The motorcycle press always seems to compare the K1600GT to the RT with the RT winning out. The RT looks ridiculous to me with that huge fairing. Isn't the R1250RS a more appropriate option? The RS looks a lot sportier.
Thanks for vindicating my choice of an RT. At one point, it was a 3 way split: GSA, RT or GT. The GT was ruled out because of the lack of ACC. The GSA, which my wife loved on the test ride, ruled out due to weather protection. The RT won my vote because it’s the complete bike for my needs. I commute to London, 3 times a week doing the A14, A1, A406, and it’s done in all but the iciest conditions. I will be two up touring, starting in April, with a trip to North Wales followed by the Lakes, Dales and Scotland.
The RT is a better value proposition, or it was until the production slow down means what used to be standard in LE Trim is now at extra cost. That takes what used to be a £21k bike to £23.5k. I love my RT, if it had the 30 litre GSA tank it’d be perfect. I can only get 1.5 commutes out of the tank and that’s riding in eco. BTW, the ACC (radar cruise) is amazing.
I had a 2011 model and I loved it for all the same reasons mentioned here - it's spoilt me for pretty much any other touring bike - but mine had a wonky clutch thanks to being an early production unit, which made low-speed handling unpredictable, and the weight of it meant I couldn't pick it back up by myself... I even sprained my ankle trying to lift it once, so I had to let it go.
I think this is a wonderful looking bike. I think it's also fast, comfortable, high tech, and well thought out. But due to price, repair, etc...I guess I have to suffer and keep my old 2006 honda st1300. But this is what I'd buy if I was retired, had disposable income, lived near a dealer, and could afford the tow truck and ride back home etc...just for the joy of having the best. I bet that in-line 6 is as sweet as sugar cinnamon butter. Love that paint scheme. I'd love to tear up the Swiss alps on this thing.
Great video review thanks.
I went from a 2010 K1300GT to a 2020 R1250RT. Noticed a huge loss in power, but gained extra gadgets and seemingly lower centre of gravity and easier to manouvere. Rarely put the K1300GT on the centre stand for example.
I'm seriously tempted by the K1600GT but the model before the 10.25" TFT so I can plug in my Navigator GPS.
I'll be interested to see what the R1300RT is like when it finally arrives.
I think in the UK young people are less inclined to buy motorcycles for two reasons.
1) Changes in licencing laws since the mid-1980s.
2) No more 2-stroke (In my day you could jump on a 250cc 2-stroke bike aged 17, e.g. Yamaha TDR or TZR 250 which were fast bikes)
The licencing laws were changed where I live in Jersey without warning in the middle of the night due to 4 of my friends having been killed in 3 separate incidents within months of each other. All of them were riding TZRs.
I have this and the GSA, and the GS has much more comfortable suspension , wind management (with the right screen), and has a more comfortable riding position. Surprising.
Agreed…..Rode my GSA from coast to coast ( crosss country) in the USA 🇺🇸 . Great touring bike GSA !!
The engine is super smooth and turbine-like, but a bit characterless. I’d go for the R1250RS.
Love the review gents. You truly cover everything from the riders perspective. The challenge for some of us, is our loved ones who ride pillion. I had a 2015 exclusive. Effectively, a king size bed for the pillion with armrests. Trying to convert her to a Multistrada 1260s has become a challenge. Perhaps a Russel day long setup, with top box also done? But now how do I get passed the armrests? So probably will go Exclusive again, but with performance pipes. Have to hear that motor sing.
After 6000 miles on a 2018 k1600 and only 2000 miles on a 2021 rt, I;m glad i switched to the rt. the k bike is very top heavy. Lean a little too far and over it goes. Thank god for the ilium motowerks engine and luggage guard, Even the dealer couldn't tell the k1600 tipped over once. The friction point on the k1600 is almost at the full release poinjt, rt is not much better. Like having no friction point at all. Makes low speed maneuvering harder than it should be.
I suspect the latest round of upgrades will be the last. The K1600 must be nearly at the end of its production life. Hence no investment in improving the cruise control or phone compartment. I’ve had two GT,s, and the weight is not that much of an issue. I find it adds to the stability of the bike in nearly all circumstances. It’s great in really heavy wind for example. As a true sports tourer, it does what it’s designed for extremely well. I wish people would not always compare these bikes with Goldwings,especially the GT. I don’t agree that it gets uncomfortable after long days of 600 miles? Most owners,not those with free bikes on loan, adapt the bike to suit them,as most of us do. Don’t think this was an accurate summary of the bike’s capabilities.
So what you’d choose as your only bike (commuting and travelling): this BMW or the Multistrada V4S?
Excellent series of videos.
700 miles in a week on the RT? You must be exhausted. If you don't think the K16 engine is "peppy" you need to rev it more 😀
Great bike as long as you don't need a big service;-)
that goes for every BMW
@@MrHugawa 24 Valves deep in the engine compared to 8 on the outside on the flat twins.
good looking bike and engine sound is awesome
I had no idea there was an in line 6 bike today, I can remember the Honda and Benelli many moons ago...
I have the K1300GT & when I test rode the 1600 I was disappointed as it felt overweight & sluggish by comparison. It didn’t feel like progress 😔
The bike isn't made to shift like an economy car. The gear box is clunky because you're shifting way too early ! It's a sport touring, not a cruiser.
Few months ago I did buy a used 12 K1600GT. The bike is a rocket & I don't think the RT can compare in terms of engine power & acceleration. But these bikes have too many things that will go wrong. Mine the rear shock was toast, one of the tire sensors keep going out, one Coil goes out every now & then. Fuel pump had to be replaced on a recall. Then the comfort issue, rode 200 miles round trip in one day. My Right arm was numb, back was killing me and just all around uncomfortable. Windshield sucks & it rattles over rough roads when fully extended. Wind protection is not that great. My old LT was so much better in all of those areas. Even my 1999 RT is better. But the engine and speed of the GT bike is hard to beat. I just wish for a top of the line bike it did not have these issues, there is simply no excuse.
Actually the flat 6 in the latest Goldwing sounds fantastic and is miles smoother than this engine plus it’s much more effortless
But the BMW spanks it. Easily.
Superb review. Well done all.
Here in Stockholm it's rare to see a bike on the roads between December and March, except the odd supermoto with studded tires. Yet in the UK (and Canada?) it seems that you keep riding even when temperatures hit freezing? How do you not die to ice?
It's rare for temperatures below 0 degrees Celsius in the UK and main roads are treated with salt to reduce the possibility of ice. But road salt kills bikes, unless it washed off quickly, or the motorcycle is treated with an anti corrosion spray. I usually spend as long cleaning as riding, during the winter months!
Yeah the last thing I’d ever choose to do is ride in slick or Icy riding conditions. I can do rain but once it begins to get cold, and the temp drops the tires grab less payment and things can get sketchy really quickly.
Not many bikers use their bikes winter time in the Uk. Most will be in the garage from October till March/April.
Winter rider in NY, whenever the Temps drop they usually treat the roads for ice, but you just don't hammer it, and pay attention (sport bike owner)
Nothing like Sweden. Average December temp in UK is about 5degC so winter riding is perfectly doable and plenty ride all year long, but the majority don't. I have always ridden all year round and you can get winter tyres now (Anlas) which make a huge difference in wet and snow. You need heated gear too so you don't freeze.
I'm really getting into these kinda of bikes
Thanks, that was a really useful review.
Would love to see this engine in a BMW R1250RS kind of bike!! “BMW R1600RS”. Not to big, Nice big bore engine. Basic luxeries. But not to much. -100kg of weight👌🏻
Can you provide a link to windshield? thanks
Definitely not a bike I would want but enjoyed the review.
Got the 2022 GT, ever wondered how to get your phone out of the box when you got no power ( electricity ) ? then you can start demounting your windscreen and bracets ...
I can imagine that, after not too many years, one or more of the features that people buy these uber-tech bikes for stops working, and the price of diagnosing the problem and remedying it is more than the bike is worth. It's fine to say that after 9,000 miles the bike looks good. But, unless it didn't, it's not very helpful. I really do question the practical lifespan of these machines, and ones that are much cheaper with not too dissimilar tech. MCN should do long term reviews and cost of ownership more than it does. BMW, I hear, isn't the most reliable brand out there.
I think it's a reasonable fear but I have a 2012 model with over 60,000 miles and so far so good. Obviously routine preventative maintenance costs do add up, but it doesn't make financial sense to pay the ~$30k it costs for a new one at this point.
Agreed. EU Legislation wants more and more tech on cars and bikes. Seemingly, whoever makes these decisions don’t have to pay when an engine light comes on due to some non issue…
He should also try the K 1600 Grand America.
Guys, the comments about adventure bikes being more comfortable. I mean really? That's just silly.
@MCN, What heated Jacket he uses ? Brand/Model?
I'm 7,000 miles into my 2022 1250 R/T and perhaps a year away from another change this time a 2024 Super Duke GT that's the plan...
Superb production, thank you! Now awaiting what the results of a Wing review would be!
Maybe adaptive cruise control is needed on this bike, as it's more at home on the interstate than the twisties. But frankly, I don't want a bike that slows down or speeds up on its own. And hey, you're on a motorcycle....you're not supposed to be following...you're leading!!
What was the name of the screen or the company that makes it
I think I'd rather have a Goldwing..
Wish you'd put a little comparison with the Honda Goldwing
I’ve had all 3, the RT in 1100, 1200 AC and LC variants, and own a Goldwing DCT Tour at moment, IMHO the Goldwing is in another league to the K16 , it’s just a miles better bike, better made, more reliable, far easier to manage, DCT provides sublime changes, and actually feels faster on the road courtesy of the instant grunt and super quick DCT transmission, mind you it is a lot more expensive . Probably get shot down in flames for saying such sacrilege but it’s what I’ve found, if you don’t believe me take a test ride on a Goldwing, I’m pretty certain it will change your perception
@@UltimateDazzle Hi Daryl, I have owned 1500 wing, for 30 years, so I know how good the Goldwings are, (though never liked the 1st 1800 looks) And although my 1500 a 1992 model, it could hold it's own on most roads. I daren't not test ride the new wing (I have a NC750X 2021 DCT) as I would selling a kidney!
Sign of the times: a radio dropping in and out is ranked as a bigger problem than suspension and seating position. Not for me; these two are show stoppers.
AWESOME AMAZING SUPERB
Val doonican, lol. Nice one neevsey. Cheeky sod.
The whole mindset of storing your smartphone on your bike imho is wrong. And this is the worst implementation which is over engineered. I can understand the need on long trips to recharge a phone but cubby holes with fans is ridiculous. For safety and security purposes you should always keep your phone on your person! We need dedicated nav on bikes. Your phone is for you NOT your bike.
Yeah sound, functioning dedicated nav systems are the only way to go.
Yes your 100% correct, I should but I don't, so important in an incident if your separated from your bike.
Meg, I like using a phone for nav in both cars and bikes, I can easily upgrade, never need to worry about updating and can use whatever app I like. I only need a holder and a 12v socket.
I exclusively use my phone nav on my bikes and in my car. The phone nav gives me warnings about red light cameras, speed traps and quick traffic solutions.
I actually run the phone nav even when I know my way because of the warnings and traffic rerouting.
I absolutely agree, although the use of the phone as a sat nav screen is undoubtedly useful and simple to update its not much use when you are lying at the side of the road trying to summon help and your bike is in bits 50ms away.
Hated this bike had this very color rode it for 1000 miles and the dealer was nice enough to buy it back, it's a boat on wheels, bought a 2023 ducati multostrada pikes peak
BMW really need to take lessons from Suzuki who make superb gear boxes.
As he said clearly in summary, when he asked Bmw, its due to massive torque, 70% from 1700rpm, that's gears need to be large and gapped further apart in cluster to cope with torque, hence the clunking. Suzuki don't have that problem as they don't make a 132ft lb engine of this size or spec. That's why Suzuki box is super smooth. So BMW does not need any lessons from Suzuki.
@@checker3694 What you said, and Ricardo actually designed the engine/gearbox for BMW, so if one insists on pointing fingers, that's the direction to point them.
//cdn.ricardo.com/motorcycle/media/events/rmc%207.0/mc7_rq2-11_dreamsix.pdf (that D/Ls a pdf)
@Tim Arnold I think it's time Suzuki starts learning things from German Italian and British motorcycle manufacturers in Truimph, on how to build motorcycles, or they will only have the scooter market 10 Years from now, the great GSXR is history now, and their cars are are targeted at Hair dresser market.
Lol. I’ve owned two gixxers. One I didn’t even take delivery of. The cam chain snapped during pre-delivery at the dealer. Years later, I decided to try again. Nope. Another catastrophic failure within days of ownership. Have also had other brands from the same country die. Kawasaki overheating riding it home from dealer. Seized engine.
Since then, I’ve owned other brands from America, India, and Germany. I’m here because I need a comfortable mile muncher that I don’t want to explode from the dealer, or fall asleep on because it’s boring to ride either. The K1600 is ticking all the boxes.
@Bikes Burgers Beers Agree done 8k miles on mine last heavy but Awesome bike
Interesting how he keeps mentioning “first world solution”, I can tell you since I live in the “third world”, those creature comforts and solutions are equally applicable here in Kenya.
Love the looks, too heavy everything seems really complicated to set up ,
More controls than a space ship,
Blind spot detection is, as the man says...pretty much continually....a First World appliance to be desired. I cannot, for the life of me, reconcile following cars and lorries at the same speed as being a desirable biking option that you have to pay money for. Get a car!!!!!!! or a Lorry!!!!!!!!! Inane idea.
Isn't it great to have soooo many choices! (GT, GLT, B, RT, GS, GSA...)
Do not agree on the gear box being cluncky. Works great, GS is way more clunkier.
Great video, but Christ MSN need to go lighter on the adds
It would be very instructive to follow this up with a long-term Goldwing review. Also, considering a 3-year-old version is a serious crap-shoot. All one needs to do is go to the forums and quickly compile a list of things that go wrong, some services/repairs only at dealers, cost of parts, etc. I just about purchased two BMWs recently, then chickened out after doing the research. I've had three BMW cars, the last of which was brand new, and will NEVER again give that company another dime. Dealing with them was the definition of arrogance and customer-directed apathy.
A) Dealers in the USA are going away, every year, more and more. Unless BMW car dealers will honor bike service, this will be a big problem in the US. I will not ride 1.5 - 2 hours for service. B) The K is very complexed machine. Anything can and will go wrong. if it does go wrong, good luck with your bank account. I was extremally disappointment with mine back then, new 18 Grand America. So many issues, either mechanically or design issues that I just gave up. I refuse to believe that a bike with 15K on it will have as much issues as a 10 year old bike with 100K bike. I want to ride and ride only. I don't want to ride to the dealer every week. Be worn !!!!
It's the same with BMW in England. Too much time spent going back and forth to the dealers.
@@splodge57 Some say, never had issues, many do sell them due to constant issues. I was one of them. NO MORE!!! Happy riding.
All apparent shortcomings fixable if BMW have the will, I hope they do..... the only inline 6 in biking world.... 🙂
Look at that barge 😆
The connectivity doesn’t work
Over 200kg heavier than my cb300r , think I'd rather have a car😄
test rode a K1600GT and the RT with a passenger. The RT was really cramped with two people, im 6' 190 athletic, she's 5'1" 130 athletic.
The RT better than the K? lol
Nice review but I'd still take the 1250 if I had the pennies
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Hope this "reviewer" is a better editor than he is a judge of motorcycles. I busted out laughing with he stated the RT's engine was peppier and more engaging... What planet does he come from. Now I know why I quit subscribing to their rag.
I wish you would add pounds and inches to your reviews
Watched the first part , Great that Santander stepped up , still a lot of work chasing KTM ,not very good on the brand name or the company policy on warranty issues,like I said in the first video like the looks of the kTM but never owned one never wanted one ,
and after this run around you have had wouldn’t touch the KTM BRAND at all ,absolutely disgraceful from the KTM company ,
500- 600 miles a day, what a spoofer, if not irresponsible . Awful review🤮
Im not sure i get the gimmicks like blind spot blah blah and adaptive this and that. I avoid motorways like the plague and the sorts of long drives where those toys might be nice then im more likely to want to drive.
Who would no longer look over their shoulder to check if a lane is clear, i wouldnt trust a gadget to get it right.
Less is more. More ($29,480) is not more.
Otherwise a thorough review…very eloquent.
Sounds like a M1
Lol ‘a bit nuclear’
He's not wrong...
340kg is an obscene weight for a bike
Love a dirty bike!
Lead = Rat Tail.