It occurs to me that "mouse mode" may be a way to faithfully port Kid Icarus Uprising to modern hardware while also making the controls far more accessible.
My dear god stop. If they bring kid icarus back. More than any game I think that'll get me that was a real childhood game of mine MAN I has some sick weapons I got lucky with rgn that I was doing people dirty with online!!! Yooo I miss it.
They could have done that with the switch as it was. There's really no reason (from a hardware perspective) why to bring it back now vs on the og switch
It doesn’t really need a mouse mode, just a 2nd stick, which 3DS didn’t have anyway. And no, they couldn’t have used the accessory because they used up all the hardware power for the game.
Tbh tho, Gyro aiming works just fine for Splatoon, cause it is a close combat game. Other shooters arent realy accurate with Gyro, but splatoon is. Maybe you can combine Gyro and Mouse Mode 🤔
I've been playing shooters on PC for years with a Joystick that I control with my left thumb. Works excellently, and feels great. I really hope Nintendo takes this approach, and more people adopt this idea that we can mix and match controls in whatever way makes us comfortable, and that way, anybody can be good. Edit: I should note that my right hand is still using a mouse to aim, and that other than the joystick, I tend to use standard keyboard controls (or change inputs to whatever I can reach). But again, I can totally see that left hand just as easily be a JoyCon, and getting used to it. Your right thumb could still use most of the buttons on the right joy con anyway.
Splatoon, maybe Mario Maker 3, maybe Sid Mears Civilisation.... Genuinely can't see too many other games benefitting THAT much from mouse controls - it's not the preferred control method for most the games on the OG Switch, so I can't imagine it being transformative for the Switch 2.
I doubt Nintendo sees the Steam Deck & other handheld PCs as competition. Not only has the Deck only sold 4 million units in two years, it's not even sold at retail.
They don’t have to because the switch is in its own lane. It’s not a catch all console it’s a simple console, easy to use for all ages, and most importantly it’s a provider of Family friendly gameplay. Not to mention the iron fist on Nintendo exclusives. But the momen😢it starts to cross over into pc gaming capabilities it will 100% have competition because now specs will start to play a factor. Honestly I think they should keep it simple, relatively cheap, and family friendly it’s their bread and butter and will forever have a market
@Csbdeezy I still don't think they would need to change their mindset. They would prioritize the system as a Nintendo do console primarily, and any additional functions would just be a beta feature
this is short sighted, it’s is valve’s first console and it’s already doing well. the things you mention will likely change during the switch 2’s lifespan
A lot of mice will work on weird surfaces you wouldn't expect (depends on the optical sensor). Using a mouse on the arm rest of a couch is surprisingly comfy.
@CarbonMage i was testing how the regular joycons felt as a mouse and it's not bad at all, especially on like my pants. the shoulder buttons switch 2 joycons also cover the side more so they feel more like proper M1 and M2 buttons. I'll shit bricks if nintendo makes it very reliable/functioning well
Oh my god thank you. I've seen so many people dismiss the mouse feature like a gimmick but they don't realise just how many features and games (both Nintendo and 3rd party) are going to want to center their controls around this and just how preferable it'll feel to anything else. Level editors on console will finally feel good again (Super Mario Maker 1 felt so natural on Wii U, but in 2 it feels almost impossible to get anything done), every single shooter game (including Nintendo's own Splatoon and Metroid Prime) is going to use it, and even games we currently have on Switch 1, like Pikmin (every single one), Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Okami, Hades, even Balatro, all of these would feel so much better with it if they received updates to support it. I've seen people say that the Switch 2 is "underwhelming" conceptually and "what happened to Nintendo" but they're looking wayyyy too much at just the surface. Ever since there was that one statement some time back where Nintendo mentioned that they want to move away from the idea of console lifecycles, everything started to make sense to me: it seems like ever since the middle-ish of the Switch's life, they've been working towards making what's essentially "Nintendo's Steam", with the Switch (1 & 2)'s game lineup being meant to exist for the long term, and all those Wii/Gamecube/3DS ports (with a suspicious lack of anything DS) serving as working towards their goal of "you'll be able to play every Nintendo game ever on this single console family going forward." This is also why I don't think they'll leave the Switch 1 to rot like the 3DS, but instead make the Switch 1 and 2 coexist.* It doesn't really feel to me like Switch is competing with the Steam Deck or similar PC handhelds, but rather with the entirety of Steam itself (after all, the question people typically ask isn't "do I get this game on Switch or Steam Deck" but "do I get this game on Switch or Steam"). Switch 2 will enable games and even entire genres that heavily prefer mouse controls (and which are therefore mostly stuck on PC, even if they would love to be playable on Switch) to make the jump to console seamlessly, allowing the eShop to have as gigantic of a game lineup as Steam's. It'd even allow for a lot of older mouse-reliant games to come to Switch, such as like, old Sims games, or even point-and-click games, making it clearer that Switch 2 isn't just about specs. Switch 1 forever bridged the gap between handheld and home console. The twist people aren't seeing yet, is that Switch 2 is going to bridge the one between console and PC in the same way. * I can see them phasing out the base model Switch 1 entirely, but it's particularly the Lite why I think they'll want to continue supporting Switch 1, especially with more GCN/3DS ports that don't require the Switch 2's specs or mouse mode. The focus on mouse mode makes me unsure if a Switch 2 Lite is even something that should exist at all; best I can see is an even smaller Switch 1 (Switch Micro?) that's actually pocketable, moves the USB-C port to the top, and has an improved dpad, while the Switch 2's cheaper model could be the exact opposite, a docked-only Home version of the Switch with no battery or screen, and 4 joycon slots instead of 2 (matching the 4 controller ports older consoles usually had). At the same time... that exact mouse focus makes me unsure how they'll ever effectively sell a new pro controller, since it's never going to be as good at the mouse thing as the joycon is? If they do ever make a new pro controller for NS2 I feel like it'd have do something radically different both from the joycon and the old pro controller... maybe featuring a little screen, positioned like the touchpads on PS4/5 controllers (not a tablet-shaped controller like the wii u gamepad), to make DS NSO in docked mode more natural?
I totally agree with you. Everyone is underestimating how big "mouse mode" would be for Nintendo. I'm so excited for what Nintendo has planned for the future of the Switch 2!
I think the idea of being able to play ANY Nintendo game on the Switch 2 would be a huge selling point and is why I really hope the C Button is a screen Cast/Connect Button. This will allow Wii U and DS/3DS games to be played perfectly.
A Switch 2 lite could still exist using the touchscreen instead of a mouse. Sure it might not be "as good" but it'll work well enough for Nintendo I'm sure. Remember that the OG Switch Lite was already lacking features such as rumble and the ability to control two motion controllers at once.
If mouse mode is real, which I'm not convinced yet that it is, I think equally to "useful for shooters" would be the importance of being "useful for user generated content." There's a version of RPG Maker currently on Switch, which I can't imagine trying to use with buttons. When I played Mario Maker 2, I would most often play in handheld so that I could use my finger as a cursor while building stages. There is a basic 3D modeling tool within the MMO playtest for making cosmetics. They've already tried to put out things like Game Builder Garage. Since UGC and customization is really popular with kids these days, this is the angle I would be taking with mouse mode if I was Nintendo. Now you can make your own characters, outfits, houses, levels, or even games from the Switch itself instead of on the computer.
This is a VERY good point, definitely feels like it's in Nintendo's wheelhouse. A new expanded Mario Maker with Mario Paint-esque tools... Heck, maybe the reason the track in Mario Kart looked improvised is because there are big "fields" you can draw your own tracks on?
@@colbyboucher6391 Ooo that's a good idea. For some reason despite all my thinking about how the new Mario Kart might be different from 8, I didn't think about a track editor as a new feature. That'd be great.
I think Nintendo might just revolutionise mouse gaming in ways you haven't thought of. A joycon isn't just a mouse, it has HD rumble, gyro/motion controls, and if the sensor can detect distance (ie. if the controller is lifted from the surface, how far away it is / height, and also the speed of the motion) then there is so much potential for a completely new type of play. Imagine in Mario Kart if you could jump with a quick flick of the controller in mouse mode, whilst you can feel the change of terrain with rumble. I think we all might be surprised when we see how it is implemented!
That sounds just like lame motion control, don't expect better rumble, look at the size of the controller, nothing complicated is happening internally, it's just a bigger controller, joycon motion control is the worst anyway, you need a pro controller for it to function well
@@petebagwell6666I disagree, mouse mode is going to be great for shooters because most switch players can’t aim with those controllers or should I say joy cons
bunch of pessimists in your replies. I like the idea you've got going but I do think the surface detection is a requirement for it to function given mouse sensors only work with friction. Oh but to live the Sci-Fi life and use your mouse without the need for a surface under it would be a delight or nightmare depending on what type of gamer you ask.
I kinda wonder if mouse mode will basically never have anything built around it but instead just be an alternative/“better” control scheme. So Mario Maker 3’s level editor will default to the controller-based input of MM2, but also let you use the mouse. Kinda hard to see Nintendo or many 3rd party devs saying “you can only play this in mouse mode.” Maybe in a gimmicky side mode of a party game lol
I’m sure a mouse only game would be possible, but not in anything that wants to sell well. They’ll also have gyro or stick controls to fall back on for people that don’t have access to a table. But it’s definitely possible, as there are third party VR only games on the eshop right now that you need a LABO VR headset for.
alot of mmos like diablo 4, especially those players who dont like voice chatting benefit well with this option. They prob got moba and other games in mind that play best with a mouse and know they would rake in a ton of money on the side with the feature. Think Poke Unite. Prolly the first game that came to mind. This also pushes developers to be more creative. Create modes in game such as any traditional 2d mario, smash level editor, animal crossing managing, mario kart track creator etc.. they’d be implemented better or have devs include these editing type modes out of convenience.
@@DoctorMario606 Any first person shooter, or Zelda game with shooting, will be fantastic. It's basically Wii-Mote+Nunchuck again, but instead of pointing at the screen with your arm and flailing around, its a mouse that everyone already knows how to use.
62 yar old guy here. Mouse mode is the most important thing to me. I have never been able to aim with analog sticks. Love my Switch, but that is why I mostly PC game. For me, this is Nirvana!
I've been replaying Metroid Prime on my Wii and I absolutely love playing it with the wiimote and nunchuk. I sometimes feel a bit sad that the concept was abandoned. I know the Switch could also be played with one joycon in each hand, but the Wii was far more ergonomic and the IR sensor was very responsive.
But I also couldn’t understand the fancy fridge at Best Buy with the screen showing ~1/3 of da Vinci’s The Last Supper at a time while I stood in line.
@@lilsheba I kinda get the fridges/microwaves with smart screens. Intersctable recipes, and a place to watch like TH-cam while you cook without constantly touching your phone. You could obviously use your phone, it's like a 1600 dollar purchase for what equates to one new feature in reality.
sounds less awkward then being in an elevator and trying to explain to a telemarketer that they called the emergency speakerphone of an elevator. that happened a few times at my last job
If the rumor about the Joycon 2.0 having more motion sensors like a magnetometer is true, then pointer controls could be enhanced on the Switch 2, with less drift. With that, Mouse Mode makes a lot of sense in bridging a gap in control modes. If you are sitting on a couch, you can use pointer controls for precision and gyro for aiming, while in handheld mode you got the touchscreen from precision and can also still use gyro for aiming. In tabletop mode or if you play in a desk, you're too close to the screen for pointer controls but too far to use the touchscreen, so mouse mode would be ideal in those instances, grating control parity to every play mode.
0:54 Lies, I clicked on this video not knowing what mouse mode was but that it was something to do with the switch 2 thanks to the thumbnail. I still don't really know what mouse mode is but I guess that explains the weird thing where they showed the joycons racing around in the trailer
For some context. The rail of the Switch 2 Joycons have the same sensor you find at the bottom of a computer mouse. The immediate thought is a mouse mode. I'm slightly sceptical because it shows a feature into a single form factor. Like how the touch screen was rarely used because it can only be used when in handheld mode well mouse mode cant be used in handheld so 🤷
@ThePieGuy731 I mean sure but what matters is that it's an option. I personally play my switch in handheld mostly so I get a lot of use out of the touchscreen especially when playing games thst were ported and originally used the touch screen. If you play mostly docked or on tables while traveling then mouse mode would be very useful. Additionally a lot of 3rd party games have existing PC versions meaning they already have mouse support they'd just need to carry it over when making the switch port
i would LOVE for mouse mode to usher in a new peak era of point 'n' click adventures, done right with all the modern game design language and wisdom we have now. that is my fervent hope for mouse mode. plus MAYBE some compelling creative tools - what is Nintendo's first-party take on a full-blown music DAW in their style? i'm dying to find out
The joycon seems very uncomfortable to hold and not ergonomic unless you're a toddler Unless there are 3rd party standard mouse available; I don't see a large adoption rate
Exactly. Let these haters have fun before they get demolished in the sales charts. Talking about the joycon, it has huge potential, it all depends on how the devs decide to use it. I’m sure rts dev are looking forward to an actual market on consoles
unfortunately I think point n click is just a pretty dead genre outside of some indie studios. PC is already a major platform and if there's ever going to be a revival it's there but it hasn't materialized. The closest was telltalle's games but eventually everyone stopped caring and they're effectively dead now
@GreendelaBean idk, there's a few things that can happen... for example, Nintendo makes a first-party point n click that's super accessible and polished and lights a fire in the genre
@aroonkaruna8513 well it would be nice, of course I am a fan of the old lucasarts games, but they were games known for poor gameplay and excellent writing/humor. meanwhile Nintendo is known for their gameplay and very few of their games are known for their compelling writing or comedy so it would be a pretty extreme role reversal. I also think that the mouse mode is going to be just an extra mode that no game forces you to use because it won't work if you don't have a surface to use like on a couch or on a flight or something, so a whole game built around it seems unlikely
i think nintendo might feel the competition but at the end of the day nintendo has SOOO many exclusives and theyre amazing exclusives that come out at a frequent rate
People always underestimate the value that ports bring to the console and just talk and judge about exclusives (skipping the other features) Honestly, ports is one (but not first) of the main reasons that I and many people still stick with the switch
@ 3rd party ports i assume you're talking about? And yeah i agree alot of people play switch and buy 3rd party on switch because the portability is worth it, among other reasons but i assume thats the main one
There's a non-zero chance of playing Halo on a nintendo console using a sort of mouse control aiming scheme. What an insane world we might be living in....
Honestly I saw mouse mode and thought it wouldn’t be ergonomic but then I took a switch controller and put it on its side and honestly it was surprisingly comfy
And the new switch controllers are going to be slightly bigger. Despite that - you know that 3rd party companies are going to make ergo grips just for mouse mode out the wazoo.
It also explains why the joycons are wider, and why the shoulder buttons aren't in line with the console now, they protrude outward because it's more comfortable to hold like a mouse
6:37 PRIME HUNTERS MULTIPLAYER WITH BOTS WAS MY CHILDHOOD. I'd love it if Prime 4 had a multiplayer that is basically the same. No lock-on, only free aim, and a bunch of crazy weapons, maps, and hunters. Honestly if they just ported Hunters multiplayer for free with Prime 4 I'd still be happy.
My dream accessory for mouse mode is a literal mouse that has all the buttons and functionality of the right joy con, but in the form factor of a traditional computer mouse. As it stands, I think the joy con will make a decent mouse, but it would be so cool if there was an actual one made.
Ever since mouse mode was rumored by leaks a few days before the reveal, I was thinking it would just be fantastic for Pokemon games for PC and box management. Pokemon home in particular, using a mouse to drag and drop, right and left click, with the left joycon open to extra button controls, I hope it works as flawlessly as I am imagining it. It would be so fluid to just go in and sort your pokemon boxes instead of the tedious grinding we have currently. Bonus points if you can do this while connected to the larger screen separately to view extra information about the pokemon you're looking at, while sorting boxes on the bottom screen.
The mouse feature could honestly be game changer. I am a HUGE fan of games like Cities Skylines, Civilization, and shooters. Although I can see some weird stuff happening with shooters (say like in a COD, if you use switch 2 mouse controls, youll get queued up in PC lobbies,) other games that are developed with mouse and keyboard in mind can just get ported pretty easily. Disco Elysium, XCOM, an old SimCity remastered bundle... all would be HYPE on Switch 2 specifically. Though I do have a steam deck and it can run mouse and keyboard fine, it does take some of the wind out of the sails a bit, but to have it completely integrated in the device is huge. Maybe Steam Deck 2 can have this feature if it catches on? How would 3rd party controllers work? Could we get an upgrade on, as example, the Mobapad H6s to have the magnet and mouse changes? I would love that because I still expect the Joy Con 2's to be decently unconfortable because of a lack of a substantial back grip. Also, how would the switch 2 lite work? If this mouse feature is core to the switch 2, how would built in controllers work? Are we going to get tiny switch 2 joycons? I would like a smaller device since i love the size of the original switch, and the switch 2 is getting decently bigger.
Switch 2 Lite will either use gyro or a touchscreen instead of a mouse for games that need one. If a game just really needs a mouse to work and not a touchscreen or gyro than Nintendo will be perfectly happy to cover that under "Not all Nintendo Switch 2 games are compatible with the Nintendo Switch 2 Lite."
For me those big sim games are what sells me the most on mouse controls. Shooter not so much simply because I've become a big convert to gyro controls on the pro controller for games like Splatoon.
I really hope they don't make it a core feature. I don't want to be restricted to a desk to play this console, especially considering the fact that the whole gimmick of the switch in the first place is portability. Idk about you, but I like sitting on my couch while playing video games. It would be really cool as a control option though, especially in games like splatoon and pikmin. It would allow for a lot of PC game ports too which is always welcome, I just hope they have disclaimers about them only being playable in mouse mode.
@ I don’t think it’ll be the main way to interact with the switch 2, especially third party. But there are some games that won’t work with a controller well, like cities skylines imo
Ok so the thing about mouse mode that I can't figure out just yet How will we use mouse mode in the living room while chilling on the couch? If you use your coffee table, you'll be all hunched down and uncomfortable... Will Nintendo sell a keyboard / mouse tray? And if they fully embrace mouse mode, it would be logical to also have a mini keyboard for your left hand as well right? Basically how to they make this more hardcore use case available to everyone?
I think it’s probably just a mostly docked feature ^^ or at least I have a feeling it’ll be advertised as such. So now it’s less about switching where we play, but HOW we play as well
I have a feeling the wristband strap would make mouseglide easier on most other surfaces, like an expansion on the buttons being bigger and easier to press on the original switch with those on
My guess is that if something supports the mouse you will also be able to control the cursor with gyro or with the right stick (that might be what the c button is for, to switch into "cursor" mode)
If that dock and the Switch 2 unit itself have fast enough wireless to use the TV as a second display (like an inverse of the Wii U), then porting DS, 3DS, and Wii U games becomes a no-brainer. This might be the biggest hidden feature of this thing that needs to be addressed.
When you mentioned your Switch 2 DS method, the first game I thought of wasn't Metroid Prime Hunters, it was the Original version of The World Ends With You. TWEWY Final Mix has a ton of compromises to fit on 1 screen, so having 2 screens again would do wonders for that game.
And it's not even something you can write off like the IR sensor on Switch 1. Mouse capabilities can allow for such convenience and accessibility across most if not all games. Like...Nintendo would absolutely want to experiment with it, and 3rd Parties/indies, who might already have a PC version, won't have to jump through hoops to program in mouse support like they had to with the Wii U pad and stuff. Mouse functionality is way bigger than people think.
Yeah I'm AMPED to see what Nintendo decides to do with it from a first-party perspective. Mario Maker and Animal Crossing both come to mind as franchises that would immediately benefit in huge ways from mouse support.
@@itswavelengthsbet they had Poke Unite in mind from the start and other MOBAs, MMOs, Shooters etc.. that would largely benefit from having a mouse and ease of access being on a hybrid console rather than pc, such as Diablo 4, Valorant and Fortnite. Could even see a keyboard peripheral being used for full blown pc mmo like experience cause why not. The hardware is more than capable enough.
@@itswavelengths Keep in mind the innovation we saw with Wii-mote + Nunchuck. It's going to be the main way to play Metroid Prime, Zelda, Splatoon, etc. Imagine using a mouse to swipe Link's sword in a version of Skyward Sword or a direct sequel with that in mind. Anything that used to be a Wii-mote pointed at the TV can now just be on the mouse. World of Goo, Wii Sports, etc.
To be honest, as a platformer, adventure game, platform fighter, Pokemon, Splatoon fan, the only thing I could think of a mouse feature being useful for was Civ 6
Mouse mode is indeed an intriguing concept. Aside from the potential it has to broaden games accessible in Nintendo's ecosystem, I can't help but wonder if this is an experiment for something greater down the pipeline. Nintendo already understands tablet form factors well with the WiiU and Switch architecture, perhaps them crafting a dedicated laptop in the future isn't out of the realm of possibility.
@@vianabdullah2837 that, and DS games could be ported much more easily. There have been times where a stylus was integrated with a game specifically (wasn’t that brain age?) If the switch 2 had a stylus and is able to be casted to the TV by the dock (chromecast style), it would be so easily to port all the handheld device games and Wii U games. We’re so close to getting the Nintendo console that plays EVERY Nintendo game. Maybe one day (switch 3? lol)
I don't think we really need a stylus, the DS/3DS/Wii U touchscreen required pressure, but not the Switch's. the Switch's screen, like any smartphone, can be used with a light touch, so I feel like using your finger is generally just as good as a stylus. like the video mentions, it's more holding your device while using the touch screen that would be more of an issue, since Switch is much heavier
having a dock in your living room for controller gaming and other in your home office for mouse and keyboard gaming. That would be the perfect combination
One major thing I wish someone would've brought up is, Digital artists would connect their switch 1 joycons to their PC to use as a shortcut device with Clip Studio Paint, and I'm positive Nintendo saw that back in 2019, so I wonder how helpful a mouse sensor will be with that.
I think the way Switch 2 will work on the TV is that the cursor can be controlled through tilting a la the Wii. There won't be a sensor bar, but that won't be a big deal - the original Skyward Sword could be played without the sensor bar, and it didn't feel much different. There are a few games on the Switch that work the same way, like World of Goo 2. The one major problem with Skyward Sword's cursor was that after shaking the controller around a lot it wouldn't know where the center of the screen is and you'd need to press a button to recalibrate. I think that's what the new button on the Switch 2's right Joy-Con is. They're adding the "re-center" button on a hardware level so developers don't need to worry about that issue and can just treat the two cursor control methods as interchangable. I figure gyro control will be the default, and the moment the optical sensor sees it's on a surface it'll switch to mouse control.
Imagine if Nintendo's solution to "what surface will mouse mode work on" was the box the Switch 2 will come in. That would be simultaneously insane and really smart.
What's frustrating me is that Nintendo patented L+R bumpers that are also scroll wheels. But they aren't on the Switch 2. Surely they were meant for the mouse mode joycon.
Most accurate and comfortable to least. - Dual screens with a stylus touchscreen. - IR pointer controls. - Two sticks + gyro. - Keyboard + mouse. - Two sticks. A mouse isn't a superior control scheme for aiming but it is more inviting for normies and children who are growing up watching steamers, who are 9/10 Steam gamers. DS games were jank af on the Wii U. So they're going to be very wonky using a mouse instead of a second touchscreen made for a stylus. Even the Castlevania DS game collection was cool but those games would've felt more natural with two dedicated screens. Two screen gaming was a true innovation and Nintendo has not actually combined all their previous innovations into one console until they bring that back. When Nintendo can bring back a second touchscreen made for a stylus, that can attach for a clamshell DS form factor then detach for a Wii U form factor. All while keeping all their previous innovations and unique features, then they would've made the ultimate console.
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1:39 more speculation. Remember when the Wii U was coming out and they showed that demo of Link fighting a giant spider? We literally never got that game because it was never a game and it was just a tech demo. In my opinion (Sims people have cited that the assets from the supposed Mario Kart sequel are grabbed from other games and movies) it was probably just something thrown together as a proof of concept. They obviously didn't want to show an already existing game because they wanted to make it clear that this is not the same console as the switch
5:31 OH!! YO IT CLICKED! My brain totally gets it. Metroid Prime Hunters port that uses mouse mode would make me lose my entire mind. Or NDS added to NSO holy hell I went from 'hmm' to absolutely insane levels of hype.
I felt rewarded for clicking on that video ahah because i knew what the mouse mode was. Did not know you before, great video !! The thing about mouse mode is that the game always has two work without it (when being in a train...).
Okay you barely mentioned the WiiU, but having your tv and console screen be a DS - like you say about the Switch 2 - is literally what made the WiiU! It's amazing and I love it
4:37 hate to be that guy but you’re severely underselling how transformative the wii u tried to be. it didn’t pan out, obviously, but check out nintendo land or the zelda remasters, it basically did what switch 2 seems to want to do now
Seems like a very uncomfortable/non-ergonomic mouse... this is a feature that I don't expect to use and I'm not looking forward to but wouldn't mind being proven wrong
Prime Hunters was fun. Short, somewhat insubstantial, but FUN. Especially playing as Sylux on the big outdoor space map with the low gravity, and you could just alt-form and fly around using bombs to propel yourself.
I do wonder how COMFORTABLE it’ll be in mouse mode. The design looks like it’ll have the finger space for most hands at the actual button end, but might cause discomfort near the tail end.
Something you didn't touch on: Have we ever seen a mouse that *also* had a joystick on it? Or what about using BOTH joycons in mouse mode at the same time? While it will certainly be useful as a mouse with left & right click for standard control schemes, I'm more curious what kind of new, only-on-switch-2 control schemes we might come from the ability to control a game via two mice, 2 joysticks, and up to 14 buttons (2 shoulder, 4 face, joystick press, x2).
I've had the idea for "Joycons that you hold sideways and use like an ergonomic vertical computer mouse" for at least a few years as like, my pipe dream for an "everything console", finally bringing PC-level control to FPSes and stuff on console, and I was over the MOON when I saw that brief clip in the reveal haha. I wish I could find where I talked about it on stream once lmao
Imagine how much easier it will be to play point & click adventure games with this. There's a huge library of old PC games that can come to the virtual console (or NSO), all much more playable with a mouse. The possibilities are endless.
I just realized what they were going after for that slidy Joycon bit in the trailer, and just how big a deal that was. You're right. This is huge. It's not just backwards compatibility with DS games and whatever, this is also enables a huge number of PC games to work. A game like Baldur's Gate 3 would be really cool to use on a Switch 2, with the ability to change from console to PC controls in a flash. Sure, there's no keyboard, but most PC games don't use a full keyboard, either. It would also make using a web browser reasonable on Switch 2. However, I think they're gonna want to make the Joycon broader, not just taller. And maybe an optional full-sized mouse dock for the Joycon would be a good accessory.
mouse mode could be the return of the sensor bar, something people missed a lot on the switch for games that used a pointer, and honestly that could be all it is and people would grab at it.
The most exciting thing about mouse mode for me is the fact that it will make computer games (and computers in general) far more accessible to the "average" person. My brother, for example, is a big console gamer, but he refuses to play computer games him having a computer for years. Switch's mouse mod will encourage normal people who dont use computers often to get used to the mouse form factor, which will hopefully make all computer games more standard and accessible to a less niece audience.
The feedback of using mouse mode for something while having rumble will be absolutely stellar. A shooter where you can use mouse and still have a rumble is just a sensation that hasnt been done before.
They will allow you to plug a USB Mouse to the dock. Joycon mouse mode is more so that you can still use it on the go. Let's say in tabletop mode. A big contributor to some switch features not getting used is if they are not equally available in all of the Switch's modes of play, this ensures that you'll always have a mouse or touch screen with you.
I genuinely think mouse mode, if utilized to its full potential, combined with the rumored PS4 Pro level power when docked could make the Switch 2 the only gaming machine you really need. It's the fact that Switch 2 could basically support ALL modern input modes that has me hyped as hell for this thing, especially if they take the ability to read optical data from JoyCons and use that to let you use any normal mouse with the Switch 2 as well. The Switch already supports keyboard input for text fields so I don't see why they wouldn't do this
The Wii U was so much more than gimmick. It was basically a DS where the bottom screen was a touchscreen in your hand and the top screen was your TV. I wish Switch would have found a way to support that at home as it was groundbreaking for the games that embraced it.
Mario Maker 3 babyyyy To elaborate, I think a mouse would really benefit the creative games that Nintendo has pushed (Mario Maker, Game Maker Studio, etc.) in addition to the shooter genre. One of my main grievances with those games is just how clunky it feels to make stuff, so a mouse would be incredibly helpful for that community, too. Other series will also probably have it tacked in, like the inevitable 1-2 Switch "tech demo" game, Mario Party, and probably Pikmin if they continue that series (RTS games generally). And maybe we'll even get a new IP that uses it like how Arms tried that with motion controls. I'm cautiously optimistic about DS games, since I've heard people speculate about the additional button on the right Joycon being a "cast" button, which would allow for dual screens (especially since DS games are much lighter than what the Switch can handle). I don't expect it to happen that way (it'll probably be split on the big screen instead), especially after the Wii U tried basically that same thing, but I can see it helping some Wii U games possibly getting ported as well, like Star Fox Zero or ZombiU.
I could see lots of interesting uses for uses. Other than just using it like a mouse, it also has potential for use as a gimmick mechanics, such as cutting with a knife or grating cheese in a cooking game. It also serves to allow more precise painting than joystick controls, which could mean more complex Nintendo game “maker”s could be released, such as perhaps a Mario Kart track maker where you can smoothly paint the course shape.
Considering how good optical sensors have become, i think mouse mode on a couch cushion is completely viable. Ive actually always appreciated, since the wii, the ability to play games for an extended period of time but not have my shoulders feel sore from holding a controller. Wii-mote nunchuck and the joy cons feel like theyve saved my shoulders and posture overall, so i welcome the joy con/mouse setup. Civ is gonna be a dream 🤤 If the switch optical sensor is anything like logitechs most basic (or most advanced 🙏🏾) it would basically work on any surface, even glass. I wonder if Nintendo could somehow mate the gyro and mouse sensor to have more complex interactions like a "lift" motion that actually translates to something.. the possibilities seems endless and im excited.
I think it really depends on the kind of optical sensor they have. I feel like combining both gyro and the optical sensor might make it rather competent even if you are dragging it around in your bed
In the wake of the announcement I also definitely came away and was most intrigued by mouse mode. But I was looking around and talking to my friends and they didn't seem to be as into it which surprised me. Glad some other people out there are seeing this potential too.
Trust me. A LOT of people have high expectations for this mouse mode. I've had countless conversations online through discord etc. about the potential for peripherals that utilize the mouse mode, and certain ports. I'm also interested in the dual USB ports, as I'm imagining a keyboard attachment allowing for a portable game/productivity station.
A wild thought that occurred to me when I saw that usb-c slot on top was the potential for a small second screen plugin that would let the switch 2 natively run and display ds/3ds games. At that point they could reopen the ds/3ds store and print money. The additional weight and battery draw seem like the knocks against that idea.
As a splatoon player myselçf, i do belçive the comunity will not adopt mouse mode. Motion controls on the game are already amazing and using them with a pro controller will be less awkward than trying to aim with the little joycons, specially if you are playing in a sofa or couch and not on a table.
What strikes me as strange is the implication that any console maker could have revolutionized console controls by just packing a cheap mouse in the box.
Yes, but are YOU underestimating GYRO aiming? You probably would like the latest video from the channel Ratatoskr. Great video discussing gyro, why it’s underestimated and why Nintendo could make it also perfect next gen. ✌️
I feel the reason the Switch’s touch screen is so under utilised is because you can’t use it on tv. Mouse mode allows for ‘tv touch screen’ so I’m just excited that touch screen might actually be remembered now
The mouse + gamepad setup is real?! That combo might make the absolute sickest FPS player ever. The precise aim of a mouse and the free movement of a gamepad is a ton of potential.
Literally nobody knows if this is actually a feature or was just a cool transition they were doing. I swear to God the internet continues to speculate upon speculate on speculation. People were talking about the "NX" since the launch of the Wii U, and we're talking about the Switch 2 for years now
This guy is important, he has a pen
everyone is underestimating pen mode
But does he have pineapple?
@@HandledToaster2But does he have a apple pen?
@@draftymamchak he does have a pineapple
i admire your confidence in the TH-cam algorithm by not putting SWITCH in the title
Your channel did cross my mind when watching this. Interesting to know something about that might not entirely be coincidence, this guy's got chops!
He's using the Blue Ocean strategy for the algorithm. Lol
Didn't expect to see you here Bob wtf what a nice surprise
And then he calls out we're here either way
I mean.. it worked..
It occurs to me that "mouse mode" may be a way to faithfully port Kid Icarus Uprising to modern hardware while also making the controls far more accessible.
My dear god stop. If they bring kid icarus back. More than any game I think that'll get me that was a real childhood game of mine MAN I has some sick weapons I got lucky with rgn that I was doing people dirty with online!!! Yooo I miss it.
I’m 13 years behind on the craze of Uprising. I’m holding out hope for a Switch 2 remaster since I’m not sure if I want to pay $80+ for a 3DS copy.
They could have done that with the switch as it was. There's really no reason (from a hardware perspective) why to bring it back now vs on the og switch
It doesn’t really need a mouse mode, just a 2nd stick, which 3DS didn’t have anyway. And no, they couldn’t have used the accessory because they used up all the hardware power for the game.
WE NEED A REMASTER OF UPRISING! One of my favourite games of all time
Oh, I'm absolutely not underestimating it. First Splatoon fans heralded gyro aim, now they'll preach at the altar of analogue movement + mouse aim.
Tbh tho, Gyro aiming works just fine for Splatoon, cause it is a close combat game. Other shooters arent realy accurate with Gyro, but splatoon is. Maybe you can combine Gyro and Mouse Mode 🤔
I've been playing shooters on PC for years with a Joystick that I control with my left thumb. Works excellently, and feels great. I really hope Nintendo takes this approach, and more people adopt this idea that we can mix and match controls in whatever way makes us comfortable, and that way, anybody can be good.
Edit: I should note that my right hand is still using a mouse to aim, and that other than the joystick, I tend to use standard keyboard controls (or change inputs to whatever I can reach). But again, I can totally see that left hand just as easily be a JoyCon, and getting used to it. Your right thumb could still use most of the buttons on the right joy con anyway.
Splatoon, maybe Mario Maker 3, maybe Sid Mears Civilisation....
Genuinely can't see too many other games benefitting THAT much from mouse controls - it's not the preferred control method for most the games on the OG Switch, so I can't imagine it being transformative for the Switch 2.
@Leon玲央since the steam deck i play all shooters with gyro some don't work well but if they did id use gyro splatoon has changed how i play shooters
I doubt Nintendo sees the Steam Deck & other handheld PCs as competition. Not only has the Deck only sold 4 million units in two years, it's not even sold at retail.
Yeah not many people are going to drop $600+ on a handheld console, regardless of how good it is.
@@pickcollins9910fr its an enthusiast device. I have friends that game on a pc and they didn't even know what a steam deck was.
They don’t have to because the switch is in its own lane. It’s not a catch all console it’s a simple console, easy to use for all ages, and most importantly it’s a provider of Family friendly gameplay. Not to mention the iron fist on Nintendo exclusives. But the momen😢it starts to cross over into pc gaming capabilities it will 100% have competition because now specs will start to play a factor. Honestly I think they should keep it simple, relatively cheap, and family friendly it’s their bread and butter and will forever have a market
@Csbdeezy I still don't think they would need to change their mindset.
They would prioritize the system as a Nintendo do console primarily, and any additional functions would just be a beta feature
this is short sighted, it’s is valve’s first console and it’s already doing well. the things you mention will likely change during the switch 2’s lifespan
As someone who's dropped my switch onto my own face in bed more than 3 times, I hope the size of the device doesn't come with much more weight.
LEGIT. I can't tell you how many times I've partially fallen asleep and let go of my switch and then jolted awake again when it smacks down on me. 😂
I wouldn't hold my breath
There is an optional helium balloon attachment
Time to do some face training.
Do as the wired VR diehards do; ceiling suspension rig.
A lot of mice will work on weird surfaces you wouldn't expect (depends on the optical sensor). Using a mouse on the arm rest of a couch is surprisingly comfy.
Heck, I've had a decent experience using a mouse on my leg (well, pants)
@CarbonMage i was testing how the regular joycons felt as a mouse and it's not bad at all, especially on like my pants. the shoulder buttons switch 2 joycons also cover the side more so they feel more like proper M1 and M2 buttons. I'll shit bricks if nintendo makes it very reliable/functioning well
There's a PC equivalent to Joycons called Tap Strap 2, and going off of that, it's pretty comfortable.
I’ve been doing this (or on my leg) for years
Have a friend who uses their mouse on their bed, and he still wipes the floor with me at anything remotely reaction time-based. AND IM ON A DESK! HAHA
Oh my god thank you. I've seen so many people dismiss the mouse feature like a gimmick but they don't realise just how many features and games (both Nintendo and 3rd party) are going to want to center their controls around this and just how preferable it'll feel to anything else. Level editors on console will finally feel good again (Super Mario Maker 1 felt so natural on Wii U, but in 2 it feels almost impossible to get anything done), every single shooter game (including Nintendo's own Splatoon and Metroid Prime) is going to use it, and even games we currently have on Switch 1, like Pikmin (every single one), Minecraft, Stardew Valley, Okami, Hades, even Balatro, all of these would feel so much better with it if they received updates to support it.
I've seen people say that the Switch 2 is "underwhelming" conceptually and "what happened to Nintendo" but they're looking wayyyy too much at just the surface. Ever since there was that one statement some time back where Nintendo mentioned that they want to move away from the idea of console lifecycles, everything started to make sense to me: it seems like ever since the middle-ish of the Switch's life, they've been working towards making what's essentially "Nintendo's Steam", with the Switch (1 & 2)'s game lineup being meant to exist for the long term, and all those Wii/Gamecube/3DS ports (with a suspicious lack of anything DS) serving as working towards their goal of "you'll be able to play every Nintendo game ever on this single console family going forward." This is also why I don't think they'll leave the Switch 1 to rot like the 3DS, but instead make the Switch 1 and 2 coexist.*
It doesn't really feel to me like Switch is competing with the Steam Deck or similar PC handhelds, but rather with the entirety of Steam itself (after all, the question people typically ask isn't "do I get this game on Switch or Steam Deck" but "do I get this game on Switch or Steam"). Switch 2 will enable games and even entire genres that heavily prefer mouse controls (and which are therefore mostly stuck on PC, even if they would love to be playable on Switch) to make the jump to console seamlessly, allowing the eShop to have as gigantic of a game lineup as Steam's. It'd even allow for a lot of older mouse-reliant games to come to Switch, such as like, old Sims games, or even point-and-click games, making it clearer that Switch 2 isn't just about specs.
Switch 1 forever bridged the gap between handheld and home console. The twist people aren't seeing yet, is that Switch 2 is going to bridge the one between console and PC in the same way.
* I can see them phasing out the base model Switch 1 entirely, but it's particularly the Lite why I think they'll want to continue supporting Switch 1, especially with more GCN/3DS ports that don't require the Switch 2's specs or mouse mode. The focus on mouse mode makes me unsure if a Switch 2 Lite is even something that should exist at all; best I can see is an even smaller Switch 1 (Switch Micro?) that's actually pocketable, moves the USB-C port to the top, and has an improved dpad, while the Switch 2's cheaper model could be the exact opposite, a docked-only Home version of the Switch with no battery or screen, and 4 joycon slots instead of 2 (matching the 4 controller ports older consoles usually had).
At the same time... that exact mouse focus makes me unsure how they'll ever effectively sell a new pro controller, since it's never going to be as good at the mouse thing as the joycon is? If they do ever make a new pro controller for NS2 I feel like it'd have do something radically different both from the joycon and the old pro controller... maybe featuring a little screen, positioned like the touchpads on PS4/5 controllers (not a tablet-shaped controller like the wii u gamepad), to make DS NSO in docked mode more natural?
It’s butthurt ps and pc fans mostly… let them have fun before their favorite platform gets demolished in the sales charts for years to come lol
I totally agree with you. Everyone is underestimating how big "mouse mode" would be for Nintendo. I'm so excited for what Nintendo has planned for the future of the Switch 2!
I think the idea of being able to play ANY Nintendo game on the Switch 2 would be a huge selling point and is why I really hope the C Button is a screen Cast/Connect Button. This will allow Wii U and DS/3DS games to be played perfectly.
A Switch 2 lite could still exist using the touchscreen instead of a mouse. Sure it might not be "as good" but it'll work well enough for Nintendo I'm sure. Remember that the OG Switch Lite was already lacking features such as rumble and the ability to control two motion controllers at once.
They dismiss the feature because they play on a couch or in bed and not behind a desk. It is a nice gimmick, but not practical for most gamers.
If mouse mode is real, which I'm not convinced yet that it is, I think equally to "useful for shooters" would be the importance of being "useful for user generated content." There's a version of RPG Maker currently on Switch, which I can't imagine trying to use with buttons. When I played Mario Maker 2, I would most often play in handheld so that I could use my finger as a cursor while building stages. There is a basic 3D modeling tool within the MMO playtest for making cosmetics. They've already tried to put out things like Game Builder Garage.
Since UGC and customization is really popular with kids these days, this is the angle I would be taking with mouse mode if I was Nintendo. Now you can make your own characters, outfits, houses, levels, or even games from the Switch itself instead of on the computer.
This is a VERY good point, definitely feels like it's in Nintendo's wheelhouse. A new expanded Mario Maker with Mario Paint-esque tools... Heck, maybe the reason the track in Mario Kart looked improvised is because there are big "fields" you can draw your own tracks on?
@@colbyboucher6391 Ooo that's a good idea. For some reason despite all my thinking about how the new Mario Kart might be different from 8, I didn't think about a track editor as a new feature. That'd be great.
It's literally in the trailer + the controller clearly has one of those thingamabobs you'd see on the bottom of a mousr
As mousse interaction will exist on switch, it would make sense that they'll let mousse connection in the future
I honestly never considered user generated content and how this would be a massive step in bringing it to a console audience
I think Nintendo might just revolutionise mouse gaming in ways you haven't thought of. A joycon isn't just a mouse, it has HD rumble, gyro/motion controls, and if the sensor can detect distance (ie. if the controller is lifted from the surface, how far away it is / height, and also the speed of the motion) then there is so much potential for a completely new type of play.
Imagine in Mario Kart if you could jump with a quick flick of the controller in mouse mode, whilst you can feel the change of terrain with rumble. I think we all might be surprised when we see how it is implemented!
That sounds just like lame motion control, don't expect better rumble, look at the size of the controller, nothing complicated is happening internally, it's just a bigger controller, joycon motion control is the worst anyway, you need a pro controller for it to function well
@@petebagwell6666I disagree, mouse mode is going to be great for shooters because most switch players can’t aim with those controllers or should I say joy cons
@luisitosantiago6098 most people don't play the switch with a table in front of them and they won't get one out just because the switch 2 can do it
Have fun being disappointed
bunch of pessimists in your replies. I like the idea you've got going but I do think the surface detection is a requirement for it to function given mouse sensors only work with friction. Oh but to live the Sci-Fi life and use your mouse without the need for a surface under it would be a delight or nightmare depending on what type of gamer you ask.
I kinda wonder if mouse mode will basically never have anything built around it but instead just be an alternative/“better” control scheme. So Mario Maker 3’s level editor will default to the controller-based input of MM2, but also let you use the mouse.
Kinda hard to see Nintendo or many 3rd party devs saying “you can only play this in mouse mode.” Maybe in a gimmicky side mode of a party game lol
I’m sure a mouse only game would be possible, but not in anything that wants to sell well. They’ll also have gyro or stick controls to fall back on for people that don’t have access to a table.
But it’s definitely possible, as there are third party VR only games on the eshop right now that you need a LABO VR headset for.
alot of mmos like diablo 4, especially those players who dont like voice chatting benefit well with this option. They prob got moba and other games in mind that play best with a mouse and know they would rake in a ton of money on the side with the feature. Think Poke Unite. Prolly the first game that came to mind. This also pushes developers to be more creative. Create modes in game such as any traditional 2d mario, smash level editor, animal crossing managing, mario kart track creator etc.. they’d be implemented better or have devs include these editing type modes out of convenience.
I feel like WarioWare would be one of the few games to be able to use it
@@DoctorMario606 Any first person shooter, or Zelda game with shooting, will be fantastic. It's basically Wii-Mote+Nunchuck again, but instead of pointing at the screen with your arm and flailing around, its a mouse that everyone already knows how to use.
@@EmbassyNerdcore the Wii's sensorbar aiming will be far superior to a gimped mouse on your leg lol
BTW appreciate the written out captions! Not deaf but sometimes are in areas where I can't use sound so it's actually so pleasantly surprising
62 yar old guy here.
Mouse mode is the most important thing to me.
I have never been able to aim with analog sticks. Love my Switch, but that is why I mostly PC game.
For me, this is Nirvana!
come as u are
I've been replaying Metroid Prime on my Wii and I absolutely love playing it with the wiimote and nunchuk. I sometimes feel a bit sad that the concept was abandoned. I know the Switch could also be played with one joycon in each hand, but the Wii was far more ergonomic and the IR sensor was very responsive.
I can’t hear the video because I can’t stop thinking about elevators needing TVs in them.
But I also couldn’t understand the fancy fridge at Best Buy with the screen showing ~1/3 of da Vinci’s The Last Supper at a time while I stood in line.
@@lilsheba I kinda get the fridges/microwaves with smart screens. Intersctable recipes, and a place to watch like TH-cam while you cook without constantly touching your phone. You could obviously use your phone, it's like a 1600 dollar purchase for what equates to one new feature in reality.
sounds less awkward then being in an elevator and trying to explain to a telemarketer that they called the emergency speakerphone of an elevator. that happened a few times at my last job
everyone is underestimating mouse mode. shifting into my mouse form actually grants me immense power.
i would relish the ability to play Hunters in 2025
metroid prime hunters squad rise up
You can play it on Wiimmfi right now
I tried playing it a year ago, but my goodness the controls lol. This is coming from a Kid Icarus Uprising fan
Oh man, I can't wait to play Switch 2 Tabletop mode in mouse mode. Playing Metroid Prime 4. Oh man, I'm melting 🤤🤤🤤
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3:15 yes you’re right mouse mode means RUNESCAPE ON THE SWITCH BABY
If the rumor about the Joycon 2.0 having more motion sensors like a magnetometer is true, then pointer controls could be enhanced on the Switch 2, with less drift. With that, Mouse Mode makes a lot of sense in bridging a gap in control modes. If you are sitting on a couch, you can use pointer controls for precision and gyro for aiming, while in handheld mode you got the touchscreen from precision and can also still use gyro for aiming. In tabletop mode or if you play in a desk, you're too close to the screen for pointer controls but too far to use the touchscreen, so mouse mode would be ideal in those instances, grating control parity to every play mode.
0:54 Lies, I clicked on this video not knowing what mouse mode was but that it was something to do with the switch 2 thanks to the thumbnail. I still don't really know what mouse mode is but I guess that explains the weird thing where they showed the joycons racing around in the trailer
For some context. The rail of the Switch 2 Joycons have the same sensor you find at the bottom of a computer mouse. The immediate thought is a mouse mode.
I'm slightly sceptical because it shows a feature into a single form factor. Like how the touch screen was rarely used because it can only be used when in handheld mode well mouse mode cant be used in handheld so 🤷
@ThePieGuy731 I mean sure but what matters is that it's an option. I personally play my switch in handheld mostly so I get a lot of use out of the touchscreen especially when playing games thst were ported and originally used the touch screen. If you play mostly docked or on tables while traveling then mouse mode would be very useful.
Additionally a lot of 3rd party games have existing PC versions meaning they already have mouse support they'd just need to carry it over when making the switch port
Mouse mode is just a new function of the Switch 2 Joycons that let them be used like a computer mouse to play games.
Why did he assume anyone had heard of Mouse Mode
i would LOVE for mouse mode to usher in a new peak era of point 'n' click adventures, done right with all the modern game design language and wisdom we have now. that is my fervent hope for mouse mode. plus MAYBE some compelling creative tools - what is Nintendo's first-party take on a full-blown music DAW in their style? i'm dying to find out
The joycon seems very uncomfortable to hold and not ergonomic unless you're a toddler
Unless there are 3rd party standard mouse available; I don't see a large adoption rate
Exactly. Let these haters have fun before they get demolished in the sales charts.
Talking about the joycon, it has huge potential, it all depends on how the devs decide to use it. I’m sure rts dev are looking forward to an actual market on consoles
unfortunately I think point n click is just a pretty dead genre outside of some indie studios. PC is already a major platform and if there's ever going to be a revival it's there but it hasn't materialized. The closest was telltalle's games but eventually everyone stopped caring and they're effectively dead now
@GreendelaBean idk, there's a few things that can happen... for example, Nintendo makes a first-party point n click that's super accessible and polished and lights a fire in the genre
@aroonkaruna8513 well it would be nice, of course I am a fan of the old lucasarts games, but they were games known for poor gameplay and excellent writing/humor. meanwhile Nintendo is known for their gameplay and very few of their games are known for their compelling writing or comedy so it would be a pretty extreme role reversal. I also think that the mouse mode is going to be just an extra mode that no game forces you to use because it won't work if you don't have a surface to use like on a couch or on a flight or something, so a whole game built around it seems unlikely
Brother, you are going to buy your Zelda branded lap desk pillow, and you will love it.
😂😂😂
Using the joycon as a mouse will be a GAME CHANGER. Suddenly the Switch 2 will be the best place to play FPS second to a gaming PC
6:56 Well, there's going to be an Okami sequel, so there's a good chance it could use the mouse mode.
@redfoxdragon778 why wouldn't motion control still be the better option, or just writing with your finger on the handheld screen
@petebagwell6666 It can be optional. It depends on what you are most comfortable with.
i think nintendo might feel the competition but at the end of the day nintendo has SOOO many exclusives and theyre amazing exclusives that come out at a frequent rate
People always underestimate the value that ports bring to the console and just talk and judge about exclusives (skipping the other features)
Honestly, ports is one (but not first) of the main reasons that I and many people still stick with the switch
@ 3rd party ports i assume you're talking about? And yeah i agree alot of people play switch and buy 3rd party on switch because the portability is worth it, among other reasons but i assume thats the main one
@@salsatuna177 No, I mean that as they are one of the main reasons, they are not the first XD
There's a non-zero chance of playing Halo on a nintendo console using a sort of mouse control aiming scheme.
What an insane world we might be living in....
It's a shame aim assist is so ridiculously OP in Halo that you'd be handicapping yourself playing with anything but regular controls online
Honestly I saw mouse mode and thought it wouldn’t be ergonomic but then I took a switch controller and put it on its side and honestly it was surprisingly comfy
And the new switch controllers are going to be slightly bigger.
Despite that - you know that 3rd party companies are going to make ergo grips just for mouse mode out the wazoo.
And is very posible for Nintendo and other companies to produce ergonomic mousses that adapt to it's controls
It also explains why the joycons are wider, and why the shoulder buttons aren't in line with the console now, they protrude outward because it's more comfortable to hold like a mouse
6:37 PRIME HUNTERS MULTIPLAYER WITH BOTS WAS MY CHILDHOOD.
I'd love it if Prime 4 had a multiplayer that is basically the same. No lock-on, only free aim, and a bunch of crazy weapons, maps, and hunters. Honestly if they just ported Hunters multiplayer for free with Prime 4 I'd still be happy.
Im with you bro
the best was the stage with low gravity where sylux's alt could fly with his bombs. flying around trapping people in his bomb rings lol
Hunters is so underrated
My dream accessory for mouse mode is a literal mouse that has all the buttons and functionality of the right joy con, but in the form factor of a traditional computer mouse. As it stands, I think the joy con will make a decent mouse, but it would be so cool if there was an actual one made.
Ever since mouse mode was rumored by leaks a few days before the reveal, I was thinking it would just be fantastic for Pokemon games for PC and box management. Pokemon home in particular, using a mouse to drag and drop, right and left click, with the left joycon open to extra button controls, I hope it works as flawlessly as I am imagining it. It would be so fluid to just go in and sort your pokemon boxes instead of the tedious grinding we have currently. Bonus points if you can do this while connected to the larger screen separately to view extra information about the pokemon you're looking at, while sorting boxes on the bottom screen.
"this looks like the Nintendo switch but a little bit different"
Meanwhile literally every other company continues to put out a big rectangular box
The mouse feature could honestly be game changer. I am a HUGE fan of games like Cities Skylines, Civilization, and shooters. Although I can see some weird stuff happening with shooters (say like in a COD, if you use switch 2 mouse controls, youll get queued up in PC lobbies,) other games that are developed with mouse and keyboard in mind can just get ported pretty easily. Disco Elysium, XCOM, an old SimCity remastered bundle... all would be HYPE on Switch 2 specifically.
Though I do have a steam deck and it can run mouse and keyboard fine, it does take some of the wind out of the sails a bit, but to have it completely integrated in the device is huge. Maybe Steam Deck 2 can have this feature if it catches on? How would 3rd party controllers work? Could we get an upgrade on, as example, the Mobapad H6s to have the magnet and mouse changes? I would love that because I still expect the Joy Con 2's to be decently unconfortable because of a lack of a substantial back grip.
Also, how would the switch 2 lite work? If this mouse feature is core to the switch 2, how would built in controllers work? Are we going to get tiny switch 2 joycons? I would like a smaller device since i love the size of the original switch, and the switch 2 is getting decently bigger.
Switch 2 Lite will either use gyro or a touchscreen instead of a mouse for games that need one. If a game just really needs a mouse to work and not a touchscreen or gyro than Nintendo will be perfectly happy to cover that under "Not all Nintendo Switch 2 games are compatible with the Nintendo Switch 2 Lite."
For me those big sim games are what sells me the most on mouse controls. Shooter not so much simply because I've become a big convert to gyro controls on the pro controller for games like Splatoon.
I really hope they don't make it a core feature. I don't want to be restricted to a desk to play this console, especially considering the fact that the whole gimmick of the switch in the first place is portability. Idk about you, but I like sitting on my couch while playing video games. It would be really cool as a control option though, especially in games like splatoon and pikmin. It would allow for a lot of PC game ports too which is always welcome, I just hope they have disclaimers about them only being playable in mouse mode.
@ I don’t think it’ll be the main way to interact with the switch 2, especially third party. But there are some games that won’t work with a controller well, like cities skylines imo
Ok so the thing about mouse mode that I can't figure out just yet
How will we use mouse mode in the living room while chilling on the couch?
If you use your coffee table, you'll be all hunched down and uncomfortable...
Will Nintendo sell a keyboard / mouse tray?
And if they fully embrace mouse mode, it would be logical to also have a mini keyboard for your left hand as well right?
Basically how to they make this more hardcore use case available to everyone?
I think it’s probably just a mostly docked feature ^^ or at least I have a feeling it’ll be advertised as such.
So now it’s less about switching where we play, but HOW we play as well
I have a feeling the wristband strap would make mouseglide easier on most other surfaces, like an expansion on the buttons being bigger and easier to press on the original switch with those on
Current mice work ok on basically any surface. I don’t really see the problem with couch play.
Like, yeah it sounds dumb, but it will just work.
My guess is that if something supports the mouse you will also be able to control the cursor with gyro or with the right stick (that might be what the c button is for, to switch into "cursor" mode)
i'm intrigued by mouse mode, but i'm genuinely concerned about how comfortable it'll be to hold it like that for more then a couple minutes
A second screen plugged into the top (or bottom) USB-C port and Mouse Mode for stylus use sounds amazing
If that dock and the Switch 2 unit itself have fast enough wireless to use the TV as a second display (like an inverse of the Wii U), then porting DS, 3DS, and Wii U games becomes a no-brainer. This might be the biggest hidden feature of this thing that needs to be addressed.
When you mentioned your Switch 2 DS method, the first game I thought of wasn't Metroid Prime Hunters, it was the Original version of The World Ends With You. TWEWY Final Mix has a ton of compromises to fit on 1 screen, so having 2 screens again would do wonders for that game.
Imagine a HD version of something like 'Liberation Maiden' on Switch 2 with mouse mode replicating the touch screen shooting controls from the 3DS...
LIBERATION MAIDEN MENTIONED
A fourth thing Nintendo hinted at in the trailer was the joycon movement, probably saying "hey look, no more drift!" - I swear if there's drift...
And it's not even something you can write off like the IR sensor on Switch 1. Mouse capabilities can allow for such convenience and accessibility across most if not all games. Like...Nintendo would absolutely want to experiment with it, and 3rd Parties/indies, who might already have a PC version, won't have to jump through hoops to program in mouse support like they had to with the Wii U pad and stuff.
Mouse functionality is way bigger than people think.
Yeah I'm AMPED to see what Nintendo decides to do with it from a first-party perspective. Mario Maker and Animal Crossing both come to mind as franchises that would immediately benefit in huge ways from mouse support.
@itswavelengths Metroid Prime, Pikmin, and Splatoon too. It opens up so much more opportunities and better game feel across the board for sure
@@itswavelengthsbet they had Poke Unite in mind from the start and other MOBAs, MMOs, Shooters etc.. that would largely benefit from having a mouse and ease of access being on a hybrid console rather than pc, such as Diablo 4, Valorant and Fortnite. Could even see a keyboard peripheral being used for full blown pc mmo like experience cause why not. The hardware is more than capable enough.
@@itswavelengths Keep in mind the innovation we saw with Wii-mote + Nunchuck. It's going to be the main way to play Metroid Prime, Zelda, Splatoon, etc. Imagine using a mouse to swipe Link's sword in a version of Skyward Sword or a direct sequel with that in mind. Anything that used to be a Wii-mote pointed at the TV can now just be on the mouse. World of Goo, Wii Sports, etc.
I pray it’s actually supported
To be honest, as a platformer, adventure game, platform fighter, Pokemon, Splatoon fan, the only thing I could think of a mouse feature being useful for was Civ 6
Mouse mode is indeed an intriguing concept. Aside from the potential it has to broaden games accessible in Nintendo's ecosystem, I can't help but wonder if this is an experiment for something greater down the pipeline. Nintendo already understands tablet form factors well with the WiiU and Switch architecture, perhaps them crafting a dedicated laptop in the future isn't out of the realm of possibility.
I will say that not having a stylus is a bit of a missed opportunity. Since it's the handheld equivalent of using the mouse mode.
@@vianabdullah2837 that, and DS games could be ported much more easily. There have been times where a stylus was integrated with a game specifically (wasn’t that brain age?)
If the switch 2 had a stylus and is able to be casted to the TV by the dock (chromecast style), it would be so easily to port all the handheld device games and Wii U games. We’re so close to getting the Nintendo console that plays EVERY Nintendo game. Maybe one day (switch 3? lol)
Maybe there is? There was that weird hole shown on the top of the console that serves no purpose in the reveal trailer.
@@thespeedyyoshi What hole? All I see is a headphone jack and a USB-C port on top
The mouse will work in handheld mode too.
I don't think we really need a stylus, the DS/3DS/Wii U touchscreen required pressure, but not the Switch's. the Switch's screen, like any smartphone, can be used with a light touch, so I feel like using your finger is generally just as good as a stylus. like the video mentions, it's more holding your device while using the touch screen that would be more of an issue, since Switch is much heavier
having a dock in your living room for controller gaming and other in your home office for mouse and keyboard gaming. That would be the perfect combination
One major thing I wish someone would've brought up is, Digital artists would connect their switch 1 joycons to their PC to use as a shortcut device with Clip Studio Paint, and I'm positive Nintendo saw that back in 2019, so I wonder how helpful a mouse sensor will be with that.
I think the way Switch 2 will work on the TV is that the cursor can be controlled through tilting a la the Wii. There won't be a sensor bar, but that won't be a big deal - the original Skyward Sword could be played without the sensor bar, and it didn't feel much different. There are a few games on the Switch that work the same way, like World of Goo 2. The one major problem with Skyward Sword's cursor was that after shaking the controller around a lot it wouldn't know where the center of the screen is and you'd need to press a button to recalibrate. I think that's what the new button on the Switch 2's right Joy-Con is. They're adding the "re-center" button on a hardware level so developers don't need to worry about that issue and can just treat the two cursor control methods as interchangable. I figure gyro control will be the default, and the moment the optical sensor sees it's on a surface it'll switch to mouse control.
Imagine if Nintendo's solution to "what surface will mouse mode work on" was the box the Switch 2 will come in. That would be simultaneously insane and really smart.
What's frustrating me is that Nintendo patented L+R bumpers that are also scroll wheels. But they aren't on the Switch 2. Surely they were meant for the mouse mode joycon.
Maybe the l and r button are now touch sensitive instead of being a scroll wheel, thus avoiding awkward situation, where your hand slide off
@freshinjail2402 I feel like that could lead to misinputs tho
Most accurate and comfortable to least.
- Dual screens with a stylus touchscreen.
- IR pointer controls.
- Two sticks + gyro.
- Keyboard + mouse.
- Two sticks.
A mouse isn't a superior control scheme for aiming but it is more inviting for normies and children who are growing up watching steamers, who are 9/10 Steam gamers.
DS games were jank af on the Wii U. So they're going to be very wonky using a mouse instead of a second touchscreen made for a stylus. Even the Castlevania DS game collection was cool but those games would've felt more natural with two dedicated screens.
Two screen gaming was a true innovation and Nintendo has not actually combined all their previous innovations into one console until they bring that back.
When Nintendo can bring back a second touchscreen made for a stylus, that can attach for a clamshell DS form factor then detach for a Wii U form factor. All while keeping all their previous innovations and unique features, then they would've made the ultimate console.
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1:39 more speculation. Remember when the Wii U was coming out and they showed that demo of Link fighting a giant spider? We literally never got that game because it was never a game and it was just a tech demo.
In my opinion (Sims people have cited that the assets from the supposed Mario Kart sequel are grabbed from other games and movies) it was probably just something thrown together as a proof of concept. They obviously didn't want to show an already existing game because they wanted to make it clear that this is not the same console as the switch
What was the switch’s tech demo? They didn’t have one. In the trailer they showed Super Mario Odyssey, and that was real, not a tech demo.
As a splatoon player, YES
6:18 dude just explained the Wii U's gimmick
5:31 OH!! YO IT CLICKED! My brain totally gets it. Metroid Prime Hunters port that uses mouse mode would make me lose my entire mind. Or NDS added to NSO holy hell I went from 'hmm' to absolutely insane levels of hype.
I felt rewarded for clicking on that video ahah because i knew what the mouse mode was. Did not know you before, great video !!
The thing about mouse mode is that the game always has two work without it (when being in a train...).
HOW do you not have hundreds of thousands of subs?? This video was so well made and high quality, great work!!
Okay you barely mentioned the WiiU, but having your tv and console screen be a DS - like you say about the Switch 2 - is literally what made the WiiU! It's amazing and I love it
I wasn’t aware Kurt Cobain was this enthusiastic about games
4:37 hate to be that guy but you’re severely underselling how transformative the wii u tried to be. it didn’t pan out, obviously, but check out nintendo land or the zelda remasters, it basically did what switch 2 seems to want to do now
4:13 the moment I subbed
Seems like a very uncomfortable/non-ergonomic mouse... this is a feature that I don't expect to use and I'm not looking forward to but wouldn't mind being proven wrong
Prime Hunters was fun. Short, somewhat insubstantial, but FUN. Especially playing as Sylux on the big outdoor space map with the low gravity, and you could just alt-form and fly around using bombs to propel yourself.
I do wonder how COMFORTABLE it’ll be in mouse mode. The design looks like it’ll have the finger space for most hands at the actual button end, but might cause discomfort near the tail end.
"You clicked on this video because you knew what mouse mode meant"
Me who had no idea and thoight you were talking about laptops
Something you didn't touch on: Have we ever seen a mouse that *also* had a joystick on it? Or what about using BOTH joycons in mouse mode at the same time?
While it will certainly be useful as a mouse with left & right click for standard control schemes, I'm more curious what kind of new, only-on-switch-2 control schemes we might come from the ability to control a game via two mice, 2 joysticks, and up to 14 buttons (2 shoulder, 4 face, joystick press, x2).
I've had the idea for "Joycons that you hold sideways and use like an ergonomic vertical computer mouse" for at least a few years as like, my pipe dream for an "everything console", finally bringing PC-level control to FPSes and stuff on console, and I was over the MOON when I saw that brief clip in the reveal haha. I wish I could find where I talked about it on stream once lmao
3:49 Lmao holding up the Miyoo SP as a prop for Nintendo’s SP
I personally think using mouse mode is going to give me huge hand cramp after 10 minutes. But it’s a cool idea
Imagine how much easier it will be to play point & click adventure games with this. There's a huge library of old PC games that can come to the virtual console (or NSO), all much more playable with a mouse. The possibilities are endless.
I just realized what they were going after for that slidy Joycon bit in the trailer, and just how big a deal that was. You're right. This is huge. It's not just backwards compatibility with DS games and whatever, this is also enables a huge number of PC games to work. A game like Baldur's Gate 3 would be really cool to use on a Switch 2, with the ability to change from console to PC controls in a flash. Sure, there's no keyboard, but most PC games don't use a full keyboard, either. It would also make using a web browser reasonable on Switch 2. However, I think they're gonna want to make the Joycon broader, not just taller. And maybe an optional full-sized mouse dock for the Joycon would be a good accessory.
really good video holy poop - also what microphone you using??
mouse mode could be the return of the sensor bar, something people missed a lot on the switch for games that used a pointer, and honestly that could be all it is and people would grab at it.
The most exciting thing about mouse mode for me is the fact that it will make computer games (and computers in general) far more accessible to the "average" person.
My brother, for example, is a big console gamer, but he refuses to play computer games him having a computer for years.
Switch's mouse mod will encourage normal people who dont use computers often to get used to the mouse form factor, which will hopefully make all computer games more standard and accessible to a less niece audience.
The feedback of using mouse mode for something while having rumble will be absolutely stellar. A shooter where you can use mouse and still have a rumble is just a sensation that hasnt been done before.
They will allow you to plug a USB Mouse to the dock. Joycon mouse mode is more so that you can still use it on the go. Let's say in tabletop mode. A big contributor to some switch features not getting used is if they are not equally available in all of the Switch's modes of play, this ensures that you'll always have a mouse or touch screen with you.
I genuinely think mouse mode, if utilized to its full potential, combined with the rumored PS4 Pro level power when docked could make the Switch 2 the only gaming machine you really need. It's the fact that Switch 2 could basically support ALL modern input modes that has me hyped as hell for this thing, especially if they take the ability to read optical data from JoyCons and use that to let you use any normal mouse with the Switch 2 as well. The Switch already supports keyboard input for text fields so I don't see why they wouldn't do this
Dude, they could make a killer modern Mario Paint/Mario Artist with this
I'm so excited to come back to this video in a month or so and seeing how accurate or not it was
The Wii U was so much more than gimmick. It was basically a DS where the bottom screen was a touchscreen in your hand and the top screen was your TV.
I wish Switch would have found a way to support that at home as it was groundbreaking for the games that embraced it.
Mario Maker 3 babyyyy
To elaborate, I think a mouse would really benefit the creative games that Nintendo has pushed (Mario Maker, Game Maker Studio, etc.) in addition to the shooter genre. One of my main grievances with those games is just how clunky it feels to make stuff, so a mouse would be incredibly helpful for that community, too.
Other series will also probably have it tacked in, like the inevitable 1-2 Switch "tech demo" game, Mario Party, and probably Pikmin if they continue that series (RTS games generally). And maybe we'll even get a new IP that uses it like how Arms tried that with motion controls.
I'm cautiously optimistic about DS games, since I've heard people speculate about the additional button on the right Joycon being a "cast" button, which would allow for dual screens (especially since DS games are much lighter than what the Switch can handle). I don't expect it to happen that way (it'll probably be split on the big screen instead), especially after the Wii U tried basically that same thing, but I can see it helping some Wii U games possibly getting ported as well, like Star Fox Zero or ZombiU.
I could see lots of interesting uses for uses. Other than just using it like a mouse, it also has potential for use as a gimmick mechanics, such as cutting with a knife or grating cheese in a cooking game. It also serves to allow more precise painting than joystick controls, which could mean more complex Nintendo game “maker”s could be released, such as perhaps a Mario Kart track maker where you can smoothly paint the course shape.
Considering how good optical sensors have become, i think mouse mode on a couch cushion is completely viable.
Ive actually always appreciated, since the wii, the ability to play games for an extended period of time but not have my shoulders feel sore from holding a controller. Wii-mote nunchuck and the joy cons feel like theyve saved my shoulders and posture overall, so i welcome the joy con/mouse setup.
Civ is gonna be a dream 🤤
If the switch optical sensor is anything like logitechs most basic (or most advanced 🙏🏾) it would basically work on any surface, even glass.
I wonder if Nintendo could somehow mate the gyro and mouse sensor to have more complex interactions like a "lift" motion that actually translates to something.. the possibilities seems endless and im excited.
I think it really depends on the kind of optical sensor they have. I feel like combining both gyro and the optical sensor might make it rather competent even if you are dragging it around in your bed
We can safely say the mouse is out of the bag
In the wake of the announcement I also definitely came away and was most intrigued by mouse mode. But I was looking around and talking to my friends and they didn't seem to be as into it which surprised me.
Glad some other people out there are seeing this potential too.
Trust me. A LOT of people have high expectations for this mouse mode. I've had countless conversations online through discord etc. about the potential for peripherals that utilize the mouse mode, and certain ports. I'm also interested in the dual USB ports, as I'm imagining a keyboard attachment allowing for a portable game/productivity station.
A wild thought that occurred to me when I saw that usb-c slot on top was the potential for a small second screen plugin that would let the switch 2 natively run and display ds/3ds games. At that point they could reopen the ds/3ds store and print money.
The additional weight and battery draw seem like the knocks against that idea.
Metroid Prime Hunters was a quintessential gaming experience in my young life
so yeah
You could make a CRAZY mech game with dual-mouse aiming.
i didn’t even notice mouse mode from the trailer i just thought the joy cons were moving like that for no reason
I love how thoughtful you are about all of this. Great video!
As a splatoon player myselçf, i do belçive the comunity will not adopt mouse mode. Motion controls on the game are already amazing and using them with a pro controller will be less awkward than trying to aim with the little joycons, specially if you are playing in a sofa or couch and not on a table.
What strikes me as strange is the implication that any console maker could have revolutionized console controls by just packing a cheap mouse in the box.
Yes, but are YOU underestimating GYRO aiming? You probably would like the latest video from the channel Ratatoskr. Great video discussing gyro, why it’s underestimated and why Nintendo could make it also perfect next gen. ✌️
Considering how Lenovo put an optical mouse sensor on a detachable controller first, and THEN Nintendo did it? I already knew it was going to be huge.
I feel the reason the Switch’s touch screen is so under utilised is because you can’t use it on tv. Mouse mode allows for ‘tv touch screen’ so I’m just excited that touch screen might actually be remembered now
This would leave me to believe that third part peripheral manufacturers will make a mouse that work with the switch 2.
"When the Nintendo Switch 2 announcement finally went live, a lot of people landed somewhere on the spectrum"
True.
The mouse + gamepad setup is real?! That combo might make the absolute sickest FPS player ever. The precise aim of a mouse and the free movement of a gamepad is a ton of potential.
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Literally nobody knows if this is actually a feature or was just a cool transition they were doing.
I swear to God the internet continues to speculate upon speculate on speculation.
People were talking about the "NX" since the launch of the Wii U, and we're talking about the Switch 2 for years now
except we actually do know it’s a feature because it showed an optical sensor on the joycon lol…
9:19 it's not new at all. Stuff like this existed for almost a decade with keypads