Oryx’s body arriving on Titan might be explained by the lore tab for the Royal Chase scout rifle from season of the hunt. It talks about Oryx’s body being watched from the orbit of Saturn until a gravitation anomaly occurs at the moment Titan disappears, possibly pulling Oryx in.
I loved the parallels to the Books of Sorrow in this dungeon. It makes Titan feel like the hive’s fundament. And our fireteams were the three siblings going down into the deep to find the darkness, which is Oryx in our case.
Relative motion makes it look as if it is moving towards Saturn but the body’s actual velocity could be something completely different depending on how the Dreadnought is moving
And let's not forget the fact that Saturn is much further away than it seems, so it would probably take centuries or even thousands of years for Oryx to reach it, while one "year" (by year I mean one rotation around Saturn) on Titan takes only 16 days. This with all those gravitational huggy-wuggies that were happening there makes it almost plausible, and that's more than enough for destiny
People don't realize how much effort it takes to come out of orbit. Destiny also has a crap ton more scientific inconsistency but nobody ever brings it up. Why start caring now?
yeah exactly. byf should sometimes not talk about stuff hes not knowledgable on cuz that was definitely a minute or 2 of him being condesending to devs while not knowing about physics enough himself :/
Another note on some enemies: • Simmumah Ur-Nokru was a wizard we killed in The Strange Terrain - the strike where we killed Nokris. • Vorlog was an enemy we killed in the Court of Oryx.
I like the idea of the Hive and Guardians being the most staunch allies because of all the ways both parties can defy death. Imagine sword logic but not so extreme, just two blades constantly sharpening each other. Like the Crucible
The fact that the lore from one of the armor pieces says that 1) Oryx’s body is alive and growing, but mindless, and 2) that Oryx’s worm is unaccounted, is really exciting and horrifying in a very lovecraftian kind of way
@@themuzzy2020 Nah that's always been his heart, we even go into his empty chest that's lacking a heart in the dungeon. I've always assumed the worms lived in the head but there's nothing really to prove that lol.
That was also a concept thst came to mind. Since the caretaker in vow raid was the successful scorn with a hive worm. What about doing the same with orxys worm? Really gets you thinking.
When I read that his worm is gone, my heart stopped. I usually read the lore between my Hunter friend and I, so I just went really silent for a second before I said "Uh, dude.... they can't find Oryx's worm."
@@TwilightFox777 Could be. That thing was way bigger than Ahsa, but I could be wrong. It'd be crazy for there to only be one massive creature in the depths.
@@Shakenmike117it's kinda explained in the fragments, Xivu Arath hasn't sent her own forces because she has instead tricked us into doing her job for her
This dungeon, and Ecthar in particular, has solidified my appreciation for the Hive as the greatest and truest nemeses of the Guardians. While your average Hive soldier may not be a threat, and the Sword Logic does look down on necromancy, the existence of Throne Worlds and now Hive Ghosts means that you can never truly be sure a significantly-powerful Hive is dead. With the exception of Taniks, no enemy from any of the other races manages to cheat death and prove themselves a persistent thorn in our side like several Hive enemies have done, and that makes them an excellent foil to us functionally-unkillable Guardians. Also, fun fact, Kelgorath is definitely coming back. The lore on the new strand sword describes him being taken.
Your average Hive soldier is a threat. A massive one, in fact. At least the way they’re portrayed in the lore, a wizard can quite easily shred through a Guardian and kill them. Maeve from the New Light missions is a perfect example of this. Bungie just isn’t very good at making the gameplay lore accurate in terms of enemy strength.
I loved all the old Hive we saw in Season of the Seraph. Even if we didn't know their names personally their titles said everything; Scourge of the Ammonite, Scourge of the Dakaua, Ravager of Torobatl. These Hive have been around for a long time and made some pretty big moves. Best of all was Haroktha, Scourge of the Helium Drinkers. Probably the oldest Hive we've seen aside from the sibling gods themselves. I have a hard time believing that they're done just because we filled them will bullets a couple of times.
Bringing Oryx back into the fold would do SO much for the story of The Hive. Seeing him have a crisis of faith after finding out the formative experience that he based his life on was a lie would be so interesting.
@@flaming_skullhonestly it still could. Sloane said that she was gonna call Ikora so The Hidden could secure Oryx body. Who else’s body does Ikora have under lock and key? Who’s orders was Immaru acting on with this ritual? Who’s gonna be coming back soon?
I swear, if they start bringing back every character... Oryx, Amanda, etc. they need to stay dead. For the good of the story. Let Xivu Arath have her own damn arc.
God, I couldn't agree more on the "wanting our mission to fail" part. Oryx has been my favorite character since he showed up and the possibility for more screentime/development would be amazing. The whole inner-conflict thing of his existence and the possibility that he may not stay a bad guy after getting rezzed are just too good. I really hope Bungie doesn't leave his story here. I want more Oryx!
I wanted us to fail too. Having Oryx back as the very thing he hated would be amazing. I think he would immediately flee to ponder about his existence for a long time before we saw him again. Maybe he would find balance by destroying his own ghost? Idk but would be hella cool to watch unfold
Until said otherwise, my headcanon will be that a Cabal cruiser entering the system saw Oryx's body floating towards Saturn and the commander, just for the hell of it, gave the order to hit it at top speed to see if it would explode. Much to their chagrin, even in death his body was actually far too durable for such an attack to work, but they did all get a laugh from the way it bounced off and shot towards Titan.
I’m losing so much respect for you dude I found all the lore Collectibles in my first solo Playthru and I now know that Xivu put his body there so how do you not know that
I mean it's unlikely, but if Oryx was just drifting from the ship, he was already at orbital speeds for Saturn. Titan as it passed by repeatedly it would have exerted its own gravitational pull each time and pull him further and further away from Saturn. Velocity required drops as distance increases. Eventually Titan's own gravity would win out as Oryx got further from Saturn.
And not only titan. Other moons could've pulled Oryx away as well as they passed by. Plus, I'm not entirely certain that Saturn's gravity was pulling Oryx initially. Oryx's core (I have no clue) exploded and sent his body into the vacuum of space towards Saturn. And, The dreadnought was in the rings of Saturn, pretty far away. If Saturn's gravity was strong enough to pull oryx from the rings, then Saturn wouldn't have rings to begin with (or atleast they would be further away).
With every dungeon that has come out, my feeling was “okay that wasn’t bad, glad it’s over”. This one? I WANT MORE! This is the one dungeon where I want more from it. More like it. When I saw oryx for the first time during this, it became my top favorite dungeon. The hive are my favorite enemies in game only because of the lore.
There does seem to be a heavy emphasis on Xivu's emotional state in the dungeon, from genuine grief then to singing the praises of the sword logic with such fervour. She's the first member of the Hive that we have seen have such raw emotion and perhaps it's with that emotion that an advantage can be found. I know that perhaps we might get the incline that she is capable of reason, but given her situation of her race and the fact that she is the last Hive god we need to use this advantage to put her down.
Id say Savathuns facade also broke down in anger, as her learning through our deepsign into the worm familliar that she and her sisters didnt have to turn to the deep had also invoked a LOT of emotions in her!
It probably doesn't make any sense, but I would like to imagine some lingering part of Oryx in his body helping us overcome the ritual during the encounter. Of course he hated us for killing Crota and generally serving the Traveler, but we bested him in combat, even if it wasn't according to the whims of the Sword Logic. I'd say he would much rather help us keep himself dead than be resurrected by the Lucent Hive with heresy squared.
Standing near Oryx’s corpse for too long causes auditory hallucinations according to the lore tabs on the armor, so yeah. I think bringing the Navigator’s corpse into the City’s borders is very explicitly at least a little dangerous.
From how the lore tabs describe it I don't think they took it to the city, I doubt the Hidden are dumb enough to store such things in the one place everyone looking for them would go looking.
@@jbeverley67 the crown was put in the city only long enough to get it into the helm. It's much like using a plane deliver a package into a city just for a car to take it to another
This dungeon mechanically knocks almost all the other dungeons out of the park. It has multiple interacting mechanics that they do different things with throughout. It's built more like a full raid than something like Spire where it had 1 mechanic that it used throughout. Whichever team at Bungie made this deserves a massive raise because this is the first raid since Prophecy (and maybe Grasp) that I've enjoyed this much.
11:28 Fun fact if you check the challenges to unlock the upgrades for this season in one you'll see that one of the bosses of either salvage or deep dives is 'Kelgorath, the taken blade' or something like that. So we'll have to fight again this season and chances are, he'll be a taken or have taken like abilities. So we'll need to teach the same lesson to the old man, again.
An interesting aspect that I really liked was the theme that plays during the final boss battle. You can hear parts of Crota, Oryx, and Savathun’s theme during the battle, and I thought it was a really cool little detail.
In the Seasonal Challenges for Season 21, defeating the 3 different bosses in Deep Dive is needed to unlock one of the Seasonal upgrades. The third of those bosses is Kel'gorath, Taken From Bones. We'll have a chance to test Byf's statement on him soon, which I find quite nifty.
We will see kelgorath this season in the deep dive activity because in the seasonal bonuses tab on the deep sea locksmith challenge you can see Kelgorath, taken from bones
It’s also nice to see Xivu Arath’s perspective on most of the events that the siblings have gone through: Their time on Fundament, Oryx’s death at our hands, Savathûn’s betrayal, etc. You start to get hints that she’s beginning to have some doubts as well by the end of it. Makes you wonder what her reaction will be when if/when she finds out about “The Lie” that we told Savathûn at the end of Witch Queen 👀
@@beckhornig7910 yep, the hive are (mostly) under the impression that they willingly chose sword logic because the leviathan (analog for anything related to light/Traveler) was essentially gonna let their species die for no reason. They've got no idea that they're an enslaved species of psycho shock troopers, save for savathun.
@@beckhornig7910 “The Lie” being the fact that the Witness tricked the Hive into eternal servitude. We just told Savathûn the lie because we got the memory from the Osmium King’s dead Worm familiar
You can use planets to slingshot yourself to other planets, it does make sense like skipping stones if the dreadnought is moving so I could see him sort of skimming across the plants and asteroids to land where he did .
I love the opening cutscene for this dungeon too, we see the vehicle we drove out of the arcology towards the gunship at the end of the Year one campaign mission on Titan. Love that little detail
Space engineer here, what's the problem? You defeat Oryx on the Dreadnaught, he floats off toward Saturn. You know what ELSE is floating, rather orbiting, around Saturn? The moon of Titan. If the Moon can raise tides on Earth, surely a moon of Saturn could interfere with the orbital pattern of an object orbiting Saturn. If we found Oryx on Europa, on a moon orbiting a different planet, one that is 4x farther apart from Saturn than Earth is from the Sun, then sure, raise questions. I know this is first impressions video, but you really need to consider reaching out to your community more to unravel these issues. Because this kind of thing breaks my immersion into lore videos. Considering how diverse the lore, physics, and culture both Destiny and its community are, we really need to start treating confusion points as opportunities to learn.
Honestly i can imagine oryx being stuck in orbit and by some chance landing on titan either that or the hive somehow dragged his body there then somehow lost it. In terms of story i get the feeling what comes after final shape may have something to do with the hive
Hive are just the most intresting race and they lend themselves well to dungeons with their lore, design and architecture. This and Pit are my two favourites.
My guess on how Oryx arrived in the deep of Titan is that Xivu Arath after hearing what happened to her big bro, she flew In her flagship (like the one of Savathun) and with the help of Hive magic she teleported the body and did some sort of a Viking funeral in his honor (specially if you hear all the Memories) And one more thing that most be noted... Oryx's worm is missing. Soooooooooo yeaaaaaaahhhh. We have to be very worry about that
Actually I could be wrong, but I believe his work has died due to the vacuum of space, I swear I read that in an old Grimoire card, could be wrong of course
SPOILERS! It's entirely possible that Oryx's body could have ended up on Titan. Just because Oryx was last seen drifting towards Saturn does not mean that his Orbital velocity (shared with the Dreadnought) was immediately canceled. There's a possibility that Oryx's body's orbit decayed, and then was slingshot around Saturn, and then attracted to the Titan. Being the moon around Saturn with the most mass, it would make a decent case for attarcting Oryx's body to it if Titan happened to be in the right place at the right time.
Honestly with the crazy gravitational anomalies that are supposed to be littering titan's seas (they're why some areas of the seafloor are safe and combat zones, and some are just crushing pressure even though they aren't actually all that deep) Titan could have easily dragged the corpse into itself due to the wonky gravity.
The vanguard did lose track of it, and the nine we're pulling Shenanigans at the time of oyrx death going into the rise of iron in order for them to cause the red war.
Potential explanation as to how Oryx got to Titan: Savathuun had him towed there. The Hive have plenty of space capability, and Sav was building a foothold on Titan, so it would have been a relatively simple matter to arrange.
When you speak of the irony of Oryx being defiled by the light and necromancy, I can't help but be immediately reminded of the Legacy of Kain series. BTW, to this day the series still has some of the best voice acting and narrative. Anyway, I won't really get into the details of what I'm reminded of, but those of us that have played the series will know. It was great then and it is great now. I can't wait to try out that dungeon.
I am surprised you didn't look it up or listen in this case byf but the answer to how oryx git to titan is very simple. Xiu brought him here as a final resting place. She says it in the audio logs.
I had asked this question years ago to my brother, whom has a degree in this kinda thing. Supposedly upon him flying toward Saturn, the rings and moons would pull him into orbit. Ontop of that you have titan's "gravitational weirdness" and it seems alot more plausible, and it would only be another reason for the witness to take over titan
Yup. The dreadnaught is already in orbit so oryx is actually already in orbit and travelling at thousands of miles an hour as the dreadnaught is situationed within the rings
Love fishing and watching your videos, I usually listen to them at work as I like to try and piece together what I have played with the story. Plus it passes time, Loved Dynasty, Loved the 4+ hour long Chronological story, and your reading of the books of sorrow. You are a legend! You are the reason I can make sense of the game because it was really complicated for a 14 year old when I first started. Now 24 loving your readings, theories, and if no one says it bro if you need to take a week off whenever you do it! Thanks for all the time you dedicate to keeping viewers engaged, AND there isn’t a single thing I disagree with when it comes to your saucy first impression videos. Cheers to you Legend. Bungie should be dying to have people like you apart of their narrative team.
I love the implications of this dungeons story. I have my own theories already on why the Lucent Hive might’ve been trying to resurrect Oryx, especially as a Lightbearer, and it doesn’t involve directly standing against us. Xivu Arath currently controls the Taken and does so at the behest of the Witness, something that Savathun herself stood against. What if they were reviving Oryx with the intent on him being a blade to strike down Xivu and the Witness with. He’s the Taken King and bloody powerful after all, so he’d be able to wrest control of the Taken back from Xivu as well as a fair amount of hive forces. Given that the Lucent Hive most likely know the truths we showed Savathun, a Lucent allied Oryx would learn these things, and be more keen on a “enemy of my enemy is friend” sort of alliance in standing against the Witness. Thats my theory anyways.
11:28 In the lore tab of the taken sword, it tells of how Kelgorath changes into "Kelgorath, Risen from Bones" and the triumphs of the season title show that he is the 3rd boss of the deep dives.
Loved the idea and thought of the dungeon. But I’m disappointed oryx wasn’t resurrected or we were given some sort of story implication of it. Like an after story effect where we look into it and turns out they were not resurrected because of the touch of malice holding orix’s soul. An also like that oryx’s worm evolved into a larger worm or something. Like something else aside from “hey we found this, these guys failed to bring him back” “ahwell, lock them away.” Like imagine, this late in the game and Oryx comes back, next season we go to the dreadnaught and that it has disappeared, so we investigate savathun’s throne world and make a deal with her ghost to bring her back in exchange for tracking down Xivu and oryx. So we track down certain ingredients in the moon, in the throne world, and such. Thus we form an alliance with Savathun and let her speak to her brother and sister. Lead to Savathun stabbed but killing Xivu and Orix sides with the darkness still till it gets straight answers. Savathun responds and comes back to help us unlock the portal in time for the final shape.
I think it makes enough sense. Saturn is still very far away at the end of kings fall. Titan could have just orbited in front of saturn in the time it took for the body to fall. It makes sense qhy there are so many hive on titan at the start of d2 now as well.
Titan is a moon of Saturn, and could have easily intercepted Oryx whilst orbiting the planet. How is that so unbelievable? Sounds like Byf is literally looking for something to complain about this time.
This is something that would be super interesting to comeback to story wise. With the witness being MIA and we need information on him we’ll probably need savathun alive to talk to and she could want to revive and explain things to oryx, Oryx has communed with the deep and probably has some exclusive information about the witness and xivu which could be useful.
The thing is that’s what this season is about. Asha (the leviathan) has some inside information on who the Witness is and actually how he came to be. Won’t spoil u though as to his origins.
This dungeon, to me, is a great reminder of how things have changed between us and the Hive. Guardians have warred against the hive for better than over a decade. We’d seen them as the antithesis of us, and our greatest threat at the time, as they have consumed and destroyed countless worlds and possibly galaxies. Yet, here we are again, combating the evil Hive, but they once again use the Lighy aginst us, and we use Light, but also Darkness, aginst them. We’ve even gone far enough to wield weapons of sorrow, Taken weapons from this season, and even Hive or Thorn themed armor. In both of us switching perspectives, we Guardians actually came to a broader understanding on paracausality, I think, than the Hive did with either power. We embraced the grey outlook on the war we fought and the powers we willed, accepting that Light and Darkness are tools to shape the universe and affect it. That the wielder is what decides morals and allegiances by their choices, not by their weapon. While the Hive and Lucent Brood still seem fixated on one ideology or the other, I’d argue that we Guardains of Sol have come to a greater, broader understanding. Even Savathun may not be able to see that balance, because Guardains are the only paracausal beings that seem to be able to wield both in balance.
Honestly the physics behind how he got there matter little to me. It’s not like they ever gave an in-game explanation as to why it shouldn’t. I mean, in a world where ships can fly between planets, all the way from Earth to Neptune, in mere minutes? I don’t see why a being dubbed a God couldn’t leave behind a corpse that survives the gravity of Saturn and lands on one of it’s many moons.
Considering the Thalassaphobia, hearing you say this is your #1 favorite dungeon is really wild. Was on call with my clan leader who's in a similar position and the vehemence when he said he's never playing it again was so real.
The fact that it’s in the arcology was the thing I was the most excited for. I was definitely one of those people that wished they could just jump down and explore the forest
@@Lorentz_Driver I don't actually think that I'm just making a joke about it, I like the angle of Xivu having a crisis of faith but also mourning her losses
Well to be fair, what really doesn’t make sense about Oryx falling to Titan rather than Saturn, is the fact that he was shown to be falling to Saturn at all. The Dreadnaught was orbiting Saturn at the time so so would Oryx’s body. Even with whatever slight push Oryx’s death/crystallization gave him, he should have just been floating alongside the Dreadnaught for all those years in a slightly different orbit around Saturn. But whatever, if I can accept swimmable methane ocean, I can accept slightly dubious orbital physics in a syfy game.
i feel like they changed oryx's death location in the reprised KF for this reason, in the reprised KF he floats out into space and not towards Saturn unlike the D1 KF death.
It pays to keep in mind that while Oryx's body was drifting towards Saturn, it was doing so incredibly slowly given the sheer distance involved. Even with nothing in the way between the two it would have likely taken many, many years for Oryx to fall into Saturn's atmosphere, Titan also completes an orbit around Saturn every 14-ish days so it's almost certain that Titan would have been able to tug on Oryx's body with every passing.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Or even just t-bone it directly, to be honest, and with the Dreadnaught orbiting Saturn as well, it would be going in the same direction so even if he was directly in its path as it went by it wouldn't be an excessively hard hit, although it wouldn't matter, still another point in him being snagged by it over time.
I’ll be honest, I really dislike the voice of Xivu Arath. It doesn’t really sound like an alien Goddess of war that’s millions of years old, it just sort of sounds like a human voice actress in a recording booth. It’s a weirdly cheap production for an alien race. It’s the same issue I had with Savathun and Caitle’s voice. I wish Bungie would be more comfortable with making their aliens sound more “alien.” More filters, modulation and odd speech cadences.
I just love when Byf starts to nitpick about things that don’t make sense in the lore like he’s being critical only to just hand wave it later on and pretend like it’s not an issue
How do I only dislike only the bit where My Name is Byf outs himself as having a rudimentary understanding of orbital mechanics. Oryx and the Dreadnaught are amidst Saturn's rings, which would pull his body into Saturn, but at a pace of centuries. The same pace that the rings are going to disappear in. Since this is set in the very distant future there shouldn't even BE rings on Saturn. The rings are an anachronism. If we make generous simplifications and assumptions, Saturn's gravitational pull is 10.5 m/s^2, the Dreadnaught's orbit is in the A ring of Saturn judging by what the art depicts, for simplicity's sake let's say that's ~90,000 km away. The scenario happens in a vacuum. We can begin to see a terribly misguided kinematics problem here. But, we have additional variables to consider, such as the orbital velocity of the Dreadnaught which we can assume Oryx inherits, the gravitational pulls of all of Saturn's moons, and to a lesser extent Jupiter and all the other bodies of the solar system. But this doesn't even factor in our favorite monkey wrench, paracausality! We've seen entire PLANETS disappear in this timeline, which would UNDOUBTEDLY screw over the Earth's position relative to the Sun in unseen ways. Consider how dense is a Hive god? Does it have a significant gravitational field? Do the arcane energies of the Dreadnaught exert repulsive gravitational fields? Maybe Savathun influenced the cadaver to fall where it did? Maybe the Veil shot a grapple at it so it lands here because it knows Oryx has to be there? There were so many options to take this misguided understanding of physics into interesting lore speculations, but Byf just ragged on the Devs. :(
About the BIG ORYX in the room, it might be possible that when his throne world (i.e. The Dreadnaught) collapsed, the ascendant plane spat Oryx out above Titan rather than Saturn. Remember: we killed Oryx in his Throne World, which is outside the physical plane. Hence, the mystery surrounding the Ascendant Plane; we might know about it more thanks to Seasons of the Lost, Defiance and Forsaken Endgame, but we do not know the true potential of the Ascendant Plane. Its still a big mystery.
He merged his Throne World with the Dreadnought, so nothing collapsed, as it was a physical manifestation of it. Where he died, he died in the physical plane.
@@miguelflores2455 He did it to prevent his sisters from goofing around. They opened a Vex portal into his Throne World, so to avoid that in future, he merged it with the Dreadnought so it was always mobile so they couldn't get the location as easily.
I adore how to start the final fight you crush oryxs ghost. Like the boss is second to him. Man this dungeon was fantastic Also this dungeon makes me hope the final dungeon for this year is a scorn and house salvation focused dungeon. I can imagine bungie making the final boss athrys.
Using the understanding we have of how gravity works, it's possible that the trajectory of oryx was interjected by a larger asteroid in the belt, causing his path to slingshot around Saturn instead of going to it. This could also cause him to be picked up by Titan. It is possible, not likely, but possible.
To add to a more chilling effect what if every time you performed the rune mechanic at the final boss fight you heard oryx growling like he can feel himself being brought back. Overall I thought the dungeon was indeed really good and well done, can’t wait to get the exotic! 😁
Ultimately I see this as a retcon not a plot hole Bungie didn't really have plans for titan back then and sky boxes are not exactly the most 'solid' things to base cannon off of also since Saturn is a gas giant the way I see it is when Titan just kind of showed up out of nowhere the gravitational disruption pulled his corpse in from Saturn's orbit as there is no surface for him to have crashed on
Would be really cool if you could hear Oryx whispering to us if you had touch of malice equipped. Or if you have deep sight you don't see the body of Oryx but rather Aurish (i don't remember the spelling)
I really like this dungeon! Th3 ambience, the massive spaces and the little details here and there in the enviorment along with the encounter mechanics and the armore it's really top tier dungeon for me!
Literally the best dungeon they've made since pit. Lore-wise, loot-wise, mechanic-wise. Also the overall vibe of the dungeon is amazing i love how you start off in the nature area of the arcology. I absolutely hated the vibe of duality as well as the ciatl fight. hated the gameplay of spire but enjoyed the lore and vibe surrounding it. this dungeon is an absolute masterpiece and i applaud bungie for that.
It’s entirely possible for his body to land on Titan. From asteroids, orbit slingshots, etc all knocking him off course. Someone also could’ve pushed him towards Titan instead. We don’t know what happened and we just have to wait for answers. The hive also could’ve pushed him to Titan themselves to initiate this plan.
The dreadnought is within its rings, it’s kind of awkward having his body float to Saturn, within its rings, past that?, to somehow break orbit and end up on Titan
@Glasdia The collision of anything inside the rings will not provide enough to reach escape velocity. The innermost rings of Saturn go at around 23.2 kilometers per second. The escape velocity for Saturn is around 35 kilometers per second. So even if Oryx got hit by the fastest object in the rings, it would still not be enough.
When my friend and I got to the end we both just went back and forth with "OH!" In shock. What's more that the funny image of just a random asteroid hurling by and hitting the body out of the way as a small % chance at the end of a KF raid made me chuckle.
Loved this Dungeon, It is my favorite now. It's sad knowing this was supposed to be apart of WQ though. Imagine if we got all the content, Strand, and all this that was cut from WQ, it would've been the best expansion we've ever had.
@@fuckinantipope5511 It has been confirmed that strand was supposed to be part of WQ. The dungeon I'm not sure of but in comparison with WQ vs Lightfall and the Duality and Ghosts of the Deep dungeons from a story telling and pacing perspective it would have made more sense for them to have been switched in terms of releases. Yes, Titan was taken by the Witness at the time but the WQ story could have ended with Savathun bringing Titan back somehow like she did with Mars. The Xevu memory fragments could have been replaced with something else or told in a different mission to keep the threat of Xevu on a different focus. Overall it just works better with them being flipped.
@@TheMusicman1945 Duality and Ghost of the Deep being switched doesn't make more sense at all. Like, do you even pay attention to the story? Also: just because strand was maybe supposed to be released with WQ originally doesn't mean this whole dungeon was. Your theory makes no sense at all
Well, most of this narrative is decoupled from Lightfall and might have even been in the works (brainstorming, rough sketches, revisions) before Lightfall became what it is now.
@@Keksgameeither way to shows that Bungie still has the spark or whatever. Not sure what happened in lightfall but shows there is still hope for the future. We shall certainly see when final shape comes out
About where Oryx's body ends up I think you're grossly overestimating Saturn's gravitational pull and grossly underestimating astronomical distances. With the speed at which Oryx was traveling he would most likely not have hit Saturn, not only because of how slowly he was moving from our perspective towards Saturn, but also because the Dreadnaught is not stationary, but orbiting Saturn along with the rings (which are not made of meteors). That means that he'd be moving around Saturn at a much greater speed than his momentum towards Saturn. In other words, the vector that pulls perpendicular to Saturn would be much greater than the one pulling towards it. In other words again, the possibility of Oryx's body being slingshot and colliding with Titan is not such an impossibility to require suspension of disbelief as you're making it out to be.
For the lengthy whine at the beginning about Oryxs' body heading towards Saturn and the apparent need for "lore Daddy" to forgive Bungie for this heretical transgression against his waning sense of logic: Orbital dynamics are a thing. A very big, very complicated thing, especially with so many variables in an orbit like around Saturn. You could spend years studying physics, then astrophysics, then majoring in orbital dynamics, and then you'd probably have an ok idea of how complicated things can get in an orbit like Saturns. A cheat way of doing it would be just to buy KSP1, build a rocket and spawn it in at 120000ft, point it directly at the planet and light up its thruster. You're far more likely to end up careening away from the planet on a massive eliptical orbit or getting slung further out into the solar system than you ever are of reaching the planet. Relative velocity might make it seem like Oryxs body was heading towards the planet, since thats how things work here on Earth. If I point my car at something and drive then you can pretty safely assume I'm going to get the at some point, but as the dreadnaught was in a table orbit in Saturns rings theres pretty much a 0% chance Oryxs body would get close enough to enter Saturns atmosphere, and you could say with absolute certainty that it would never occur within the next tens-of-to-hundreds of thousands of years. To be fair theres just as infinitesimally small chance that Oryxs' body would end up on Titan, but the chances are just about as high as it ever landing on Saturn. And also to be fair, I dont even really give that much of a shit about scientific accuracy in our space fantasy shooter game. Titan is the closest patrol zone/environment we have to Titan, so why not just put the mission there. Its just yet again that insufferable "Lore Daddy: ego rearing its ugly and insufferable fucking head as he rants about how theres only so much rule-of-cool he can 'forgive' Bungie for. Like literally anyone needs his forgiveness, and like hes literally any authority on the subject. Your videos are far fucking better when theyre just being informative breakdowns of the lore "Lore Daddy", and far more annoying and far less interesting when your inherit raging narcissism kicks in and you feel the need to go on a rant like youre the god of the Destiny community or something. How was the community summit, by the way? Still waiting on invites?
Damn dude. Thanks for the info but you need to chill with the attitude of your opinions as well. He has every right to question things he doesn't know or might see holes in when it comes to lore. It doesn't mean he is right and it is why we are able to put comments here regarding his opinions in the vid. My headcannon is that Savvy or Xivu prolly moved his body to Titan and hid it away for when the time was right to bring him back.
I feel like getting hung up on the location of the remains is pretty silly because Bungie can simply go “weird Hive stuff” and everyone will go “oh okay cool”. Why not just make the “weird Hive stuff” assumption and save yourself the dissonance?
I find it so interesting that we as a team of 3 decent down into the deep ocean of Titan. Kinda reminds me of that lore video where Oryx n his sister's venture into the deep to meet the worm God's. Really cool.
I just wanna say this is the first time in d2 entirely that a single activity has an armor set that I genuinely would pay for on its own, let alone for all three classes getting such an awesome armor set, for gods sake the hunters got symmetrical arms and legs for once, and warlocks got a helmet that genuinely took my breath away instead of the usual “oh another helmet that I’ll put an ornament over because of that weird bit sticking off the side that ruins the rest of it”
This dungeon raised alot of points i wanted to talk about (some of which u talked about ) : 1/ y oryx body is in titan and not saturn ?? 2/ how the body didnt disintegrate in all the pressure and heat until it reached the bottom of a whole ocean ?? 3/ the whole idea of oryx being revived . The time i first saw his body with a ghost on his chest was not just fearful but i was filled with joy to actually see my all time favourite destiny boss alive again but with light 4/ who is direcrtng the lucent hive ?? Savathun? Immaru ?and where are they 5/ who is the ghost we just killed ? 6/ finally i want to ask about xivu Shes is so eager and excited when she talks about oryx . Y her logs are in the dungeon . What are her motives . Its really fascinating seeing that strong character a god of war desperate about her brother . For the past year ive grown a very strong feelings of strange emotions that i want these 3 slings to come up and help us defeat the witness . Even tho i dnt think its possible but if oryx and savathun are with the light . We might have a chance Really nice content this season
You sparked a memory with your intro. When I was a kid I was an ocean rescue lifeguard. Part of our training was to swim 50 strokes out then dive for sand. We had to scoop sand from the bottom and bring it to the surface… then swim 50 strokes out and do it again 4 more times…. My guy, that pitch black freezing water is where boys become men..
How many of ya'll remember the strike "Savathun's Song"? The 'how' for how Oryx got to Titan feels blatantly obvious now: "This is a cap on some kind of summoning spell. The whole thing is being powered by void light. The Hive are calling something to Titan." We were never told what exactly they were summoning. And Y1 D2 wasn't too long after the Kings Fall raid, it would've taken Oryx's body time to float allllll the way to Saturn, so the Hive had enough time to intercept his body. I'm guessing this was all a long term plan on Savathun's part, possibly as a way to have her and her brother reunited to be in the right place at the right time. After all, Savathun would've had multiple backup plans in place in case of her defeat... unless that too was intentional.
I think it’s awesome that we’re finally back on titan. Also I believe that during the fly over cut scene I think we see our canon less drake tank thing from the mission where we have to recover that computer core to decrypt the red legion messages in Red War. Also with respects to the body of Oryx, as I know other people have pointed out, just because the body appears to be on a purely radial trajectory, moving perfectly outward in a straight line, from the perspective of the Dreadnaught assuming the Dreadnaught is maintaining an orbit and not just hanging in one spot with all the funky gravity from the collapse and all the moons along with a potentially very eccentric, very elliptical, orbital path of the body it could definitely ended up on Titan.
A note on the 13:00 thought; it would be SO FUCKING COOL if we got nezarec whispers or something like that when using touch of malice in the final boss room, like the wheels spin a little faster or the heart ebbs out more particles or some red mist to show rage
The Pressure resistance reminds me of the Marathon game mechanic. There was one vacuum level "Sunbathing" You had to find oxygen stations scattered throughout level.
I love everything around the narrative of this dungeon. The only addition I would have loved to see would be the inclusion of Immaru, Savathun’s ghost, somewhere. We all know Savathun will return someday, and if we got to see even just a little bit from Immaru and what he is up to would have been a great start to Savathun’s reintroduction, especially with how closely all 3 of the Hive gods are tied in this dungeon’s narrative.
I remember seeing a comment under one of your videos on the alter of reflections about the idea of a "servitor sized ghost floating around saturn looking for oryx" and this dungeon makes me kind of wish we could of seen that.
The Dreadnought was and still is in orbit of Saturn’s rings. It’s a literal longshot, but perhaps his corpse was eventually slingshot out of orbit towards Titan.
In the lore tab from the "Royal Chase" Scout Rifle, it shows two people talking about a monster headed to Titan, Oryx as we know in this dungeon, and it's signal lost as Titan dissapears.
Mr Byf. Mr MNiB. Mr my lore god. i desperately want to watch you playing through this dungeon and all of your first reactions. Thank you. also i must give a wholehearted AMEN to Xivu's voice acting. i was talking to my fireteam about it after we found about half of the memories. "dang shes killin' this stuff." capturing that verge-of-tears rage without it being over the top is HARD and she NAILED it.
Oryx’s body arriving on Titan might be explained by the lore tab for the Royal Chase scout rifle from season of the hunt. It talks about Oryx’s body being watched from the orbit of Saturn until a gravitation anomaly occurs at the moment Titan disappears, possibly pulling Oryx in.
wow, good point
This is most likely it, good catch
I think it was a taken death wall he spawned on his corpse for propulsion.
I loved the parallels to the Books of Sorrow in this dungeon. It makes Titan feel like the hive’s fundament. And our fireteams were the three siblings going down into the deep to find the darkness, which is Oryx in our case.
Blowing my fucking mind rn
YOOOOOO
Holy shit you're right! And we find the Lucent Hive ship (like the sisters found the Needle)
And we're stealing light from the hive to empower ourselves and wipe them out.
I'm not high enough for this.
Relative motion makes it look as if it is moving towards Saturn but the body’s actual velocity could be something completely different depending on how the Dreadnought is moving
And let's not forget the fact that Saturn is much further away than it seems, so it would probably take centuries or even thousands of years for Oryx to reach it, while one "year" (by year I mean one rotation around Saturn) on Titan takes only 16 days. This with all those gravitational huggy-wuggies that were happening there makes it almost plausible, and that's more than enough for destiny
Titan, or another moon might've grabbed the body. However, it would've burned away in the thick atmosphere.
People don't realize how much effort it takes to come out of orbit. Destiny also has a crap ton more scientific inconsistency but nobody ever brings it up. Why start caring now?
yeah exactly. byf should sometimes not talk about stuff hes not knowledgable on cuz that was definitely a minute or 2 of him being condesending to devs while not knowing about physics enough himself :/
@@dougcarey2233 notice when oryx dies his body becomes crystallised or covered in a rock like stuff
Another note on some enemies:
• Simmumah Ur-Nokru was a wizard we killed in The Strange Terrain - the strike where we killed Nokris.
• Vorlog was an enemy we killed in the Court of Oryx.
Do you know who Morak was? They didn't show up in the dungeon itself, but the acolyte vestige comes from an Adherent of Morak.
@@SlyAardvark Mo'rak was a Lucent Hive Acolyte we fought in Season of the Risen. He was killing guardians to steal their light.
Ecthar was also the special knight in cutscene with oryx and the one we killed to get the sword. He went from sword of oryx to shield of savathun
I like the idea of the Hive and Guardians being the most staunch allies because of all the ways both parties can defy death. Imagine sword logic but not so extreme, just two blades constantly sharpening each other.
Like the Crucible
@@Zerba- Did you not watch the video?
The fact that the lore from one of the armor pieces says that 1) Oryx’s body is alive and growing, but mindless, and 2) that Oryx’s worm is unaccounted, is really exciting and horrifying in a very lovecraftian kind of way
It was always my understanding that the Ravenous Heart used in the crafting of Touch of Malice was Oryx’s worm
@@themuzzy2020 Nah that's always been his heart, we even go into his empty chest that's lacking a heart in the dungeon. I've always assumed the worms lived in the head but there's nothing really to prove that lol.
@@squadass99 Don't thrall have their worm pop out their head when u shoot a headshot?
Watch the leviathan turn out to actually be oryx's worm
That was also a concept thst came to mind. Since the caretaker in vow raid was the successful scorn with a hive worm. What about doing the same with orxys worm? Really gets you thinking.
The fact that oryx's worm is unaccounted for and that oryx's body is not decomposing but still undergoing mitosis is the true horror of the dungeon.
When I read that his worm is gone, my heart stopped. I usually read the lore between my Hunter friend and I, so I just went really silent for a second before I said "Uh, dude.... they can't find Oryx's worm."
Just before you get to the final boss fight there is something BIG swimming in the distance. Perhaps that is his worm.
@@TwilightFox777 that's ahsa...
@@TwilightFox777 Could be. That thing was way bigger than Ahsa, but I could be wrong. It'd be crazy for there to only be one massive creature in the depths.
@@MrNuclearz Looked WAY bigger than Ahsa to me. And what would she be doing there?
I think the coolest part about this dungeon is that by technicality, we have all three of the Hive Gods' influence all within one dungeon.
I’m surprised there’s no taken in the whole dungeon
@@Shakenmike117it's kinda explained in the fragments, Xivu Arath hasn't sent her own forces because she has instead tricked us into doing her job for her
This dungeon, and Ecthar in particular, has solidified my appreciation for the Hive as the greatest and truest nemeses of the Guardians. While your average Hive soldier may not be a threat, and the Sword Logic does look down on necromancy, the existence of Throne Worlds and now Hive Ghosts means that you can never truly be sure a significantly-powerful Hive is dead. With the exception of Taniks, no enemy from any of the other races manages to cheat death and prove themselves a persistent thorn in our side like several Hive enemies have done, and that makes them an excellent foil to us functionally-unkillable Guardians.
Also, fun fact, Kelgorath is definitely coming back. The lore on the new strand sword describes him being taken.
Your average Hive soldier is a threat. A massive one, in fact. At least the way they’re portrayed in the lore, a wizard can quite easily shred through a Guardian and kill them. Maeve from the New Light missions is a perfect example of this. Bungie just isn’t very good at making the gameplay lore accurate in terms of enemy strength.
I loved all the old Hive we saw in Season of the Seraph. Even if we didn't know their names personally their titles said everything; Scourge of the Ammonite, Scourge of the Dakaua, Ravager of Torobatl. These Hive have been around for a long time and made some pretty big moves. Best of all was Haroktha, Scourge of the Helium Drinkers. Probably the oldest Hive we've seen aside from the sibling gods themselves. I have a hard time believing that they're done just because we filled them will bullets a couple of times.
@@vernaltear trust me the Dungeon wizards hit hard
He's also a boss in the triumphs for a deep dive week 3 I believe
@@vernaltear well neither enemy nor our guardian is lore accurate in gameplay. With what we have it works
Bringing Oryx back into the fold would do SO much for the story of The Hive. Seeing him have a crisis of faith after finding out the formative experience that he based his life on was a lie would be so interesting.
Too bad this is Bungie and basically said "lol no screw you" but hey maybe it could actually happen in the future but I'm not holding my breath
@@flaming_skullhonestly it still could. Sloane said that she was gonna call Ikora so The Hidden could secure Oryx body. Who else’s body does Ikora have under lock and key? Who’s orders was Immaru acting on with this ritual? Who’s gonna be coming back soon?
Well he would’ve lost all of his memories if he was revived
I swear, if they start bringing back every character... Oryx, Amanda, etc. they need to stay dead. For the good of the story. Let Xivu Arath have her own damn arc.
@@TheSuperRatt not your story, so you are not to decide
God, I couldn't agree more on the "wanting our mission to fail" part. Oryx has been my favorite character since he showed up and the possibility for more screentime/development would be amazing. The whole inner-conflict thing of his existence and the possibility that he may not stay a bad guy after getting rezzed are just too good. I really hope Bungie doesn't leave his story here. I want more Oryx!
I wanted us to fail too. Having Oryx back as the very thing he hated would be amazing. I think he would immediately flee to ponder about his existence for a long time before we saw him again. Maybe he would find balance by destroying his own ghost? Idk but would be hella cool to watch unfold
Until said otherwise, my headcanon will be that a Cabal cruiser entering the system saw Oryx's body floating towards Saturn and the commander, just for the hell of it, gave the order to hit it at top speed to see if it would explode. Much to their chagrin, even in death his body was actually far too durable for such an attack to work, but they did all get a laugh from the way it bounced off and shot towards Titan.
"Hey Fred, I'll bet you a bottle of hot sauce from our next MRE that you can't ram that thing."
"Aw, we got a bug on our windshield!"
Read the lore. Xivu put him there.
I’m losing so much respect for you dude I found all the lore Collectibles in my first solo Playthru and I now know that Xivu put his body there so how do you not know that
@@kusovia1148 dude it’s joke, get over it
11:32 if you check the season triumphs, one of the bosses in deep dive is “Kelgoroth, Taken from Bones”
Yep! A Taken Kelgorath - I look forward to it
The Thin Precipice lore tab actually details the moment he was taken
Behold! Kelgorath! Again… for like the third time…
Makes sense. He's become a sort of "little bitch" for Xivu since Kelgorath was basically Oryx's right hand man or something. I can't remember exactly.
Ahhh Kelgoroth, the Hive Taniks
I mean it's unlikely, but if Oryx was just drifting from the ship, he was already at orbital speeds for Saturn. Titan as it passed by repeatedly it would have exerted its own gravitational pull each time and pull him further and further away from Saturn. Velocity required drops as distance increases. Eventually Titan's own gravity would win out as Oryx got further from Saturn.
Especially as titan is experienced gravtitational anomalies
@@HajileMalachSuch as the one caused by the arrival of a pyramid ship, mayhaps.
How u conquer the fear? With the deep water for this? Video
A brave man challenge his fear
And not only titan. Other moons could've pulled Oryx away as well as they passed by.
Plus, I'm not entirely certain that Saturn's gravity was pulling Oryx initially. Oryx's core (I have no clue) exploded and sent his body into the vacuum of space towards Saturn. And, The dreadnought was in the rings of Saturn, pretty far away. If Saturn's gravity was strong enough to pull oryx from the rings, then Saturn wouldn't have rings to begin with (or atleast they would be further away).
Read the fucking lore or collect the audio logs in the dungeon Xivu Arath put him there
With every dungeon that has come out, my feeling was “okay that wasn’t bad, glad it’s over”. This one? I WANT MORE! This is the one dungeon where I want more from it. More like it. When I saw oryx for the first time during this, it became my top favorite dungeon. The hive are my favorite enemies in game only because of the lore.
likewise, some of if not the best lore from the game
There does seem to be a heavy emphasis on Xivu's emotional state in the dungeon, from genuine grief then to singing the praises of the sword logic with such fervour. She's the first member of the Hive that we have seen have such raw emotion and perhaps it's with that emotion that an advantage can be found. I know that perhaps we might get the incline that she is capable of reason, but given her situation of her race and the fact that she is the last Hive god we need to use this advantage to put her down.
Id say Savathuns facade also broke down in anger, as her learning through our deepsign into the worm familliar that she and her sisters didnt have to turn to the deep had also invoked a LOT of emotions in her!
@@TheRainbowDashIV yeah she was pissed
It probably doesn't make any sense, but I would like to imagine some lingering part of Oryx in his body helping us overcome the ritual during the encounter. Of course he hated us for killing Crota and generally serving the Traveler, but we bested him in combat, even if it wasn't according to the whims of the Sword Logic. I'd say he would much rather help us keep himself dead than be resurrected by the Lucent Hive with heresy squared.
Standing near Oryx’s corpse for too long causes auditory hallucinations according to the lore tabs on the armor, so yeah. I think bringing the Navigator’s corpse into the City’s borders is very explicitly at least a little dangerous.
From how the lore tabs describe it I don't think they took it to the city, I doubt the Hidden are dumb enough to store such things in the one place everyone looking for them would go looking.
Yeah, In one of the Armor, Apparently They kept em in some kind of Area, and Only let The Frames and Other AI Near the body
@@S3Cs4uN8 didn't they store the crown of sorrows in the city?
And eris was studing and using savathuns body and the crown inside the city
@@jbeverley67 the crown was put in the city only long enough to get it into the helm. It's much like using a plane deliver a package into a city just for a car to take it to another
This dungeon mechanically knocks almost all the other dungeons out of the park. It has multiple interacting mechanics that they do different things with throughout. It's built more like a full raid than something like Spire where it had 1 mechanic that it used throughout. Whichever team at Bungie made this deserves a massive raise because this is the first raid since Prophecy (and maybe Grasp) that I've enjoyed this much.
Yeah but the bosses are stupidly beefy for a dungeon. Especially for solo players.
@Yuma1 what you expect end game content to be easy? Beefy bosses are better
11:28
Fun fact if you check the challenges to unlock the upgrades for this season in one you'll see that one of the bosses of either salvage or deep dives is 'Kelgorath, the taken blade' or something like that.
So we'll have to fight again this season and chances are, he'll be a taken or have taken like abilities.
So we'll need to teach the same lesson to the old man, again.
spoiler moment
He actually has lore in one of the new swords this season, Thin Precipice. Poor guy keeps getting his ass whupped, I look forward to the next time.
@@Gametendo6 He gets taken in that tab too. Very neat lore snippet
EDIT: spelling fix
*kills Kelgorath*
Kelgorath: “So, same time next week?”
Finał Boss of this season and maybe the end of his story
An interesting aspect that I really liked was the theme that plays during the final boss battle. You can hear parts of Crota, Oryx, and Savathun’s theme during the battle, and I thought it was a really cool little detail.
In the Seasonal Challenges for Season 21, defeating the 3 different bosses in Deep Dive is needed to unlock one of the Seasonal upgrades. The third of those bosses is Kel'gorath, Taken From Bones. We'll have a chance to test Byf's statement on him soon, which I find quite nifty.
And it's explained in the lore tab of the new taken sword
Kel'gorath is truly the Starscream of Destiny 2
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 Keeps getting new titles every time he comes back, too! XD
We will see kelgorath this season in the deep dive activity because in the seasonal bonuses tab on the deep sea locksmith challenge you can see Kelgorath, taken from bones
Yeah, good to see I wasn't the only one to spot that
It’s also nice to see Xivu Arath’s perspective on most of the events that the siblings have gone through: Their time on Fundament, Oryx’s death at our hands, Savathûn’s betrayal, etc. You start to get hints that she’s beginning to have some doubts as well by the end of it. Makes you wonder what her reaction will be when if/when she finds out about “The Lie” that we told Savathûn at the end of Witch Queen 👀
What lie did we tell Savathun? It's in quotes so I assume it's actually some kinda truth? Is it that they were lied to by the Witness?
@@beckhornig7910 yep, the hive are (mostly) under the impression that they willingly chose sword logic because the leviathan (analog for anything related to light/Traveler) was essentially gonna let their species die for no reason. They've got no idea that they're an enslaved species of psycho shock troopers, save for savathun.
@@beckhornig7910 did you not play it pay attention at all in witch queen?
@@RazgrizD7 Oh I did, he just worded it in a way that my brain didn't register the meaning.
@@beckhornig7910 “The Lie” being the fact that the Witness tricked the Hive into eternal servitude. We just told Savathûn the lie because we got the memory from the Osmium King’s dead Worm familiar
You can use planets to slingshot yourself to other planets, it does make sense like skipping stones if the dreadnought is moving so I could see him sort of skimming across the plants and asteroids to land where he did .
The aesthetic, the lore, the gear. Everything is awesome!
The drip is finally awesome after the awful gear lately. Serious Nazgul vibes.
I love the opening cutscene for this dungeon too, we see the vehicle we drove out of the arcology towards the gunship at the end of the Year one campaign mission on Titan. Love that little detail
I LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS DUNGEON, THE LORE AND COMBAT ARE AMANZING
-Xivu Arath
My guy’s talking like xixu arath
Xivu Arath type shit
that’s an understatement bro. imo, this is probably one of the best dungeon they have made
Everything related to oryx is absolutely gorgeus
Space engineer here, what's the problem?
You defeat Oryx on the Dreadnaught, he floats off toward Saturn. You know what ELSE is floating, rather orbiting, around Saturn? The moon of Titan. If the Moon can raise tides on Earth, surely a moon of Saturn could interfere with the orbital pattern of an object orbiting Saturn.
If we found Oryx on Europa, on a moon orbiting a different planet, one that is 4x farther apart from Saturn than Earth is from the Sun, then sure, raise questions.
I know this is first impressions video, but you really need to consider reaching out to your community more to unravel these issues.
Because this kind of thing breaks my immersion into lore videos. Considering how diverse the lore, physics, and culture both Destiny and its community are, we really need to start treating confusion points as opportunities to learn.
Honestly i can imagine oryx being stuck in orbit and by some chance landing on titan either that or the hive somehow dragged his body there then somehow lost it. In terms of story i get the feeling what comes after final shape may have something to do with the hive
No the final shape is Taniks again
Hive are just the most intresting race and they lend themselves well to dungeons with their lore, design and architecture. This and Pit are my two favourites.
Based Pit of Heresy enjoyer
My guess on how Oryx arrived in the deep of Titan is that Xivu Arath after hearing what happened to her big bro, she flew In her flagship (like the one of Savathun) and with the help of Hive magic she teleported the body and did some sort of a Viking funeral in his honor (specially if you hear all the Memories)
And one more thing that most be noted... Oryx's worm is missing. Soooooooooo yeaaaaaaahhhh. We have to be very worry about that
His worm is dead, they require a host
Actually I could be wrong, but I believe his work has died due to the vacuum of space, I swear I read that in an old Grimoire card, could be wrong of course
Also the whittness made a huge gravitational anomaly when it took titan, so maybe he was just close enough to get caught up in it
Oryx's Worm is the Touch of Malice
@Eli his worm is not dead. They didnt find any traces of it on him and expect it to still be out there.
SPOILERS!
It's entirely possible that Oryx's body could have ended up on Titan. Just because Oryx was last seen drifting towards Saturn does not mean that his Orbital velocity (shared with the Dreadnought) was immediately canceled. There's a possibility that Oryx's body's orbit decayed, and then was slingshot around Saturn, and then attracted to the Titan. Being the moon around Saturn with the most mass, it would make a decent case for attarcting Oryx's body to it if Titan happened to be in the right place at the right time.
Exactly, Oryx's body being on Titan is somewhat unlikely, but far from unbelievably so
Honestly with the crazy gravitational anomalies that are supposed to be littering titan's seas (they're why some areas of the seafloor are safe and combat zones, and some are just crushing pressure even though they aren't actually all that deep) Titan could have easily dragged the corpse into itself due to the wonky gravity.
The vanguard did lose track of it, and the nine we're pulling Shenanigans at the time of oyrx death going into the rise of iron in order for them to cause the red war.
While the discussion is interesting, the lore actually states that Xiu brought him there.....so yeah case solved.
@@loreseeker6604 does it say how/why she did this?
11:27 If you look at the season of the deep title seal the down the drain triumph shows kelgorath is one of the deep dive bosses.
The mad lad returns once again!
Potential explanation as to how Oryx got to Titan: Savathuun had him towed there. The Hive have plenty of space capability, and Sav was building a foothold on Titan, so it would have been a relatively simple matter to arrange.
When you speak of the irony of Oryx being defiled by the light and necromancy, I can't help but be immediately reminded of the Legacy of Kain series. BTW, to this day the series still has some of the best voice acting and narrative. Anyway, I won't really get into the details of what I'm reminded of, but those of us that have played the series will know. It was great then and it is great now. I can't wait to try out that dungeon.
I am surprised you didn't look it up or listen in this case byf but the answer to how oryx git to titan is very simple. Xiu brought him here as a final resting place. She says it in the audio logs.
we can talk to a giant space whale but Oryx crash landing on titan is where you draw the line??? 😭😭😭😭
Funny you mention Kelgorath, considering the A Distant Pull (season's sniper rifle) lore tab
I had asked this question years ago to my brother, whom has a degree in this kinda thing. Supposedly upon him flying toward Saturn, the rings and moons would pull him into orbit. Ontop of that you have titan's "gravitational weirdness" and it seems alot more plausible, and it would only be another reason for the witness to take over titan
Yup. The dreadnaught is already in orbit so oryx is actually already in orbit and travelling at thousands of miles an hour as the dreadnaught is situationed within the rings
Love fishing and watching your videos, I usually listen to them at work as I like to try and piece together what I have played with the story. Plus it passes time, Loved Dynasty, Loved the 4+ hour long Chronological story, and your reading of the books of sorrow. You are a legend! You are the reason I can make sense of the game because it was really complicated for a 14 year old when I first started. Now 24 loving your readings, theories, and if no one says it bro if you need to take a week off whenever you do it! Thanks for all the time you dedicate to keeping viewers engaged, AND there isn’t a single thing I disagree with when it comes to your saucy first impression videos. Cheers to you Legend. Bungie should be dying to have people like you apart of their narrative team.
I love the implications of this dungeons story. I have my own theories already on why the Lucent Hive might’ve been trying to resurrect Oryx, especially as a Lightbearer, and it doesn’t involve directly standing against us. Xivu Arath currently controls the Taken and does so at the behest of the Witness, something that Savathun herself stood against. What if they were reviving Oryx with the intent on him being a blade to strike down Xivu and the Witness with. He’s the Taken King and bloody powerful after all, so he’d be able to wrest control of the Taken back from Xivu as well as a fair amount of hive forces. Given that the Lucent Hive most likely know the truths we showed Savathun, a Lucent allied Oryx would learn these things, and be more keen on a “enemy of my enemy is friend” sort of alliance in standing against the Witness. Thats my theory anyways.
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In the lore tab of the taken sword, it tells of how Kelgorath changes into "Kelgorath, Risen from Bones"
and the triumphs of the season title show that he is the 3rd boss of the deep dives.
Loved the idea and thought of the dungeon. But I’m disappointed oryx wasn’t resurrected or we were given some sort of story implication of it. Like an after story effect where we look into it and turns out they were not resurrected because of the touch of malice holding orix’s soul. An also like that oryx’s worm evolved into a larger worm or something. Like something else aside from “hey we found this, these guys failed to bring him back” “ahwell, lock them away.” Like imagine, this late in the game and Oryx comes back, next season we go to the dreadnaught and that it has disappeared, so we investigate savathun’s throne world and make a deal with her ghost to bring her back in exchange for tracking down Xivu and oryx. So we track down certain ingredients in the moon, in the throne world, and such. Thus we form an alliance with Savathun and let her speak to her brother and sister. Lead to Savathun stabbed but killing Xivu and Orix sides with the darkness still till it gets straight answers. Savathun responds and comes back to help us unlock the portal in time for the final shape.
I think it makes enough sense. Saturn is still very far away at the end of kings fall. Titan could have just orbited in front of saturn in the time it took for the body to fall. It makes sense qhy there are so many hive on titan at the start of d2 now as well.
Titan is a moon of Saturn, and could have easily intercepted Oryx whilst orbiting the planet. How is that so unbelievable? Sounds like Byf is literally looking for something to complain about this time.
as per usual
This is something that would be super interesting to comeback to story wise. With the witness being MIA and we need information on him we’ll probably need savathun alive to talk to and she could want to revive and explain things to oryx, Oryx has communed with the deep and probably has some exclusive information about the witness and xivu which could be useful.
The thing is that’s what this season is about. Asha (the leviathan) has some inside information on who the Witness is and actually how he came to be. Won’t spoil u though as to his origins.
Also oryx won’t have his memories if he becomes a guardian
This dungeon, to me, is a great reminder of how things have changed between us and the Hive. Guardians have warred against the hive for better than over a decade. We’d seen them as the antithesis of us, and our greatest threat at the time, as they have consumed and destroyed countless worlds and possibly galaxies. Yet, here we are again, combating the evil Hive, but they once again use the Lighy aginst us, and we use Light, but also Darkness, aginst them. We’ve even gone far enough to wield weapons of sorrow, Taken weapons from this season, and even Hive or Thorn themed armor. In both of us switching perspectives, we Guardians actually came to a broader understanding on paracausality, I think, than the Hive did with either power. We embraced the grey outlook on the war we fought and the powers we willed, accepting that Light and Darkness are tools to shape the universe and affect it. That the wielder is what decides morals and allegiances by their choices, not by their weapon. While the Hive and Lucent Brood still seem fixated on one ideology or the other, I’d argue that we Guardains of Sol have come to a greater, broader understanding. Even Savathun may not be able to see that balance, because Guardains are the only paracausal beings that seem to be able to wield both in balance.
Honestly the physics behind how he got there matter little to me. It’s not like they ever gave an in-game explanation as to why it shouldn’t. I mean, in a world where ships can fly between planets, all the way from Earth to Neptune, in mere minutes? I don’t see why a being dubbed a God couldn’t leave behind a corpse that survives the gravity of Saturn and lands on one of it’s many moons.
Why is everyone so opposed to the idea that the Hive could have simply taken his body parts there?
idk man. I feel the same way and it makes a heck of a lot of sense that they would do this to keep his body safe from us.
Proud of you for enjoying something I know was absolutely difficult getting through! You're the man Byf!
Considering the Thalassaphobia, hearing you say this is your #1 favorite dungeon is really wild. Was on call with my clan leader who's in a similar position and the vehemence when he said he's never playing it again was so real.
The fact that it’s in the arcology was the thing I was the most excited for. I was definitely one of those people that wished they could just jump down and explore the forest
I like how the memory fragments are basically just Xivu Arath trauma dumping like a moody teenager
Now I imagine Xivu being like "Dear Dairy..."
Cring ah take
@@Lorentz_Driver I don't actually think that I'm just making a joke about it, I like the angle of Xivu having a crisis of faith but also mourning her losses
Well to be fair, what really doesn’t make sense about Oryx falling to Titan rather than Saturn, is the fact that he was shown to be falling to Saturn at all. The Dreadnaught was orbiting Saturn at the time so so would Oryx’s body. Even with whatever slight push Oryx’s death/crystallization gave him, he should have just been floating alongside the Dreadnaught for all those years in a slightly different orbit around Saturn. But whatever, if I can accept swimmable methane ocean, I can accept slightly dubious orbital physics in a syfy game.
i feel like they changed oryx's death location in the reprised KF for this reason, in the reprised KF he floats out into space and not towards Saturn unlike the D1 KF death.
It pays to keep in mind that while Oryx's body was drifting towards Saturn, it was doing so incredibly slowly given the sheer distance involved. Even with nothing in the way between the two it would have likely taken many, many years for Oryx to fall into Saturn's atmosphere, Titan also completes an orbit around Saturn every 14-ish days so it's almost certain that Titan would have been able to tug on Oryx's body with every passing.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Or even just t-bone it directly, to be honest, and with the Dreadnaught orbiting Saturn as well, it would be going in the same direction so even if he was directly in its path as it went by it wouldn't be an excessively hard hit, although it wouldn't matter, still another point in him being snagged by it over time.
@S3Cs4uN8 uh... no. If titans gravity were that strong, Saturn's rings would all have fallen into titan along with oryxs corpse
@@thesenate3728 Titan suffers from gravitational anomalies, its highly likely that it snagged him with a gravitational hotspot
@@BitrateBilly then why don’t the rings crash on Titan too?
I’ll be honest, I really dislike the voice of Xivu Arath. It doesn’t really sound like an alien Goddess of war that’s millions of years old, it just sort of sounds like a human voice actress in a recording booth. It’s a weirdly cheap production for an alien race.
It’s the same issue I had with Savathun and Caitle’s voice. I wish Bungie would be more comfortable with making their aliens sound more “alien.”
More filters, modulation and odd speech cadences.
I just love when Byf starts to nitpick about things that don’t make sense in the lore like he’s being critical only to just hand wave it later on and pretend like it’s not an issue
How do I only dislike only the bit where My Name is Byf outs himself as having a rudimentary understanding of orbital mechanics. Oryx and the Dreadnaught are amidst Saturn's rings, which would pull his body into Saturn, but at a pace of centuries. The same pace that the rings are going to disappear in. Since this is set in the very distant future there shouldn't even BE rings on Saturn. The rings are an anachronism.
If we make generous simplifications and assumptions, Saturn's gravitational pull is 10.5 m/s^2, the Dreadnaught's orbit is in the A ring of Saturn judging by what the art depicts, for simplicity's sake let's say that's ~90,000 km away. The scenario happens in a vacuum. We can begin to see a terribly misguided kinematics problem here.
But, we have additional variables to consider, such as the orbital velocity of the Dreadnaught which we can assume Oryx inherits, the gravitational pulls of all of Saturn's moons, and to a lesser extent Jupiter and all the other bodies of the solar system.
But this doesn't even factor in our favorite monkey wrench, paracausality! We've seen entire PLANETS disappear in this timeline, which would UNDOUBTEDLY screw over the Earth's position relative to the Sun in unseen ways. Consider how dense is a Hive god? Does it have a significant gravitational field? Do the arcane energies of the Dreadnaught exert repulsive gravitational fields? Maybe Savathun influenced the cadaver to fall where it did? Maybe the Veil shot a grapple at it so it lands here because it knows Oryx has to be there?
There were so many options to take this misguided understanding of physics into interesting lore speculations, but Byf just ragged on the Devs. :(
About the BIG ORYX in the room, it might be possible that when his throne world (i.e. The Dreadnaught) collapsed, the ascendant plane spat Oryx out above Titan rather than Saturn. Remember: we killed Oryx in his Throne World, which is outside the physical plane. Hence, the mystery surrounding the Ascendant Plane; we might know about it more thanks to Seasons of the Lost, Defiance and Forsaken Endgame, but we do not know the true potential of the Ascendant Plane. Its still a big mystery.
the issue with that is the dreadnought itself is his throne world
He merged his Throne World with the Dreadnought, so nothing collapsed, as it was a physical manifestation of it. Where he died, he died in the physical plane.
@@mackinsviigaming Then Oryx was simply dumb to do such a thing like that.😐
@@miguelflores2455 He did it to prevent his sisters from goofing around. They opened a Vex portal into his Throne World, so to avoid that in future, he merged it with the Dreadnought so it was always mobile so they couldn't get the location as easily.
kelgorath is a confirmed boss in the deep dives hes listed in the triumph deep sea locksmith kelgorath taken from bones
I adore how to start the final fight you crush oryxs ghost. Like the boss is second to him.
Man this dungeon was fantastic
Also this dungeon makes me hope the final dungeon for this year is a scorn and house salvation focused dungeon. I can imagine bungie making the final boss athrys.
Using the understanding we have of how gravity works, it's possible that the trajectory of oryx was interjected by a larger asteroid in the belt, causing his path to slingshot around Saturn instead of going to it. This could also cause him to be picked up by Titan. It is possible, not likely, but possible.
To add to a more chilling effect what if every time you performed the rune mechanic at the final boss fight you heard oryx growling like he can feel himself being brought back. Overall I thought the dungeon was indeed really good and well done, can’t wait to get the exotic! 😁
Ultimately I see this as a retcon not a plot hole
Bungie didn't really have plans for titan back then and sky boxes are not exactly the most 'solid' things to base cannon off of
also since Saturn is a gas giant the way I see it is when Titan just kind of showed up out of nowhere the gravitational disruption pulled his corpse in from Saturn's orbit as there is no surface for him to have crashed on
Would be really cool if you could hear Oryx whispering to us if you had touch of malice equipped. Or if you have deep sight you don't see the body of Oryx but rather Aurish (i don't remember the spelling)
I really like this dungeon! Th3 ambience, the massive spaces and the little details here and there in the enviorment along with the encounter mechanics and the armore it's really top tier dungeon for me!
Literally the best dungeon they've made since pit. Lore-wise, loot-wise, mechanic-wise. Also the overall vibe of the dungeon is amazing i love how you start off in the nature area of the arcology. I absolutely hated the vibe of duality as well as the ciatl fight. hated the gameplay of spire but enjoyed the lore and vibe surrounding it. this dungeon is an absolute masterpiece and i applaud bungie for that.
It’s entirely possible for his body to land on Titan. From asteroids, orbit slingshots, etc all knocking him off course. Someone also could’ve pushed him towards Titan instead. We don’t know what happened and we just have to wait for answers. The hive also could’ve pushed him to Titan themselves to initiate this plan.
Titan is a moon of Saturn, why is it wierd Oryx landed there?
The dreadnought is within its rings, it’s kind of awkward having his body float to Saturn, within its rings, past that?, to somehow break orbit and end up on Titan
@@pixeldino481 lol right. guess that makes sense. Oh well, it's a game :D haha
@Glasdia The collision of anything inside the rings will not provide enough to reach escape velocity. The innermost rings of Saturn go at around 23.2 kilometers per second. The escape velocity for Saturn is around 35 kilometers per second. So even if Oryx got hit by the fastest object in the rings, it would still not be enough.
When my friend and I got to the end we both just went back and forth with "OH!" In shock.
What's more that the funny image of just a random asteroid hurling by and hitting the body out of the way as a small % chance at the end of a KF raid made me chuckle.
Loved this Dungeon, It is my favorite now.
It's sad knowing this was supposed to be apart of WQ though. Imagine if we got all the content, Strand, and all this that was cut from WQ, it would've been the best expansion we've ever had.
How do we know it was meant to be part of Witch Queen?
How do you know this was supposed to be part of WQ? That's stated NO WHERE and doesn't even make sense because titan wasn't back yet during WQ
@@fuckinantipope5511 Because anything good about this year is obviously meant to be part of witch queen /s
@@fuckinantipope5511 It has been confirmed that strand was supposed to be part of WQ. The dungeon I'm not sure of but in comparison with WQ vs Lightfall and the Duality and Ghosts of the Deep dungeons from a story telling and pacing perspective it would have made more sense for them to have been switched in terms of releases. Yes, Titan was taken by the Witness at the time but the WQ story could have ended with Savathun bringing Titan back somehow like she did with Mars. The Xevu memory fragments could have been replaced with something else or told in a different mission to keep the threat of Xevu on a different focus. Overall it just works better with them being flipped.
@@TheMusicman1945 Duality and Ghost of the Deep being switched doesn't make more sense at all. Like, do you even pay attention to the story?
Also: just because strand was maybe supposed to be released with WQ originally doesn't mean this whole dungeon was.
Your theory makes no sense at all
If the hidden really did bring back Oryx body to the city. I kind of hope a city ghost does resurrect him.
Glad to see the narrative team bounce back after Lightfall. The story told through Xivu’s memories was great
Well, most of this narrative is decoupled from Lightfall and might have even been in the works (brainstorming, rough sketches, revisions) before Lightfall became what it is now.
@@Keksgameeither way to shows that Bungie still has the spark or whatever. Not sure what happened in lightfall but shows there is still hope for the future. We shall certainly see when final shape comes out
About where Oryx's body ends up I think you're grossly overestimating Saturn's gravitational pull and grossly underestimating astronomical distances. With the speed at which Oryx was traveling he would most likely not have hit Saturn, not only because of how slowly he was moving from our perspective towards Saturn, but also because the Dreadnaught is not stationary, but orbiting Saturn along with the rings (which are not made of meteors). That means that he'd be moving around Saturn at a much greater speed than his momentum towards Saturn. In other words, the vector that pulls perpendicular to Saturn would be much greater than the one pulling towards it. In other words again, the possibility of Oryx's body being slingshot and colliding with Titan is not such an impossibility to require suspension of disbelief as you're making it out to be.
For the lengthy whine at the beginning about Oryxs' body heading towards Saturn and the apparent need for "lore Daddy" to forgive Bungie for this heretical transgression against his waning sense of logic:
Orbital dynamics are a thing. A very big, very complicated thing, especially with so many variables in an orbit like around Saturn. You could spend years studying physics, then astrophysics, then majoring in orbital dynamics, and then you'd probably have an ok idea of how complicated things can get in an orbit like Saturns. A cheat way of doing it would be just to buy KSP1, build a rocket and spawn it in at 120000ft, point it directly at the planet and light up its thruster. You're far more likely to end up careening away from the planet on a massive eliptical orbit or getting slung further out into the solar system than you ever are of reaching the planet.
Relative velocity might make it seem like Oryxs body was heading towards the planet, since thats how things work here on Earth. If I point my car at something and drive then you can pretty safely assume I'm going to get the at some point, but as the dreadnaught was in a table orbit in Saturns rings theres pretty much a 0% chance Oryxs body would get close enough to enter Saturns atmosphere, and you could say with absolute certainty that it would never occur within the next tens-of-to-hundreds of thousands of years.
To be fair theres just as infinitesimally small chance that Oryxs' body would end up on Titan, but the chances are just about as high as it ever landing on Saturn.
And also to be fair, I dont even really give that much of a shit about scientific accuracy in our space fantasy shooter game. Titan is the closest patrol zone/environment we have to Titan, so why not just put the mission there. Its just yet again that insufferable "Lore Daddy: ego rearing its ugly and insufferable fucking head as he rants about how theres only so much rule-of-cool he can 'forgive' Bungie for. Like literally anyone needs his forgiveness, and like hes literally any authority on the subject. Your videos are far fucking better when theyre just being informative breakdowns of the lore "Lore Daddy", and far more annoying and far less interesting when your inherit raging narcissism kicks in and you feel the need to go on a rant like youre the god of the Destiny community or something. How was the community summit, by the way? Still waiting on invites?
Damn dude. Thanks for the info but you need to chill with the attitude of your opinions as well. He has every right to question things he doesn't know or might see holes in when it comes to lore. It doesn't mean he is right and it is why we are able to put comments here regarding his opinions in the vid.
My headcannon is that Savvy or Xivu prolly moved his body to Titan and hid it away for when the time was right to bring him back.
I feel like getting hung up on the location of the remains is pretty silly because Bungie can simply go “weird Hive stuff” and everyone will go “oh okay cool”.
Why not just make the “weird Hive stuff” assumption and save yourself the dissonance?
other than my absolute hatred of the last encounter, this dungeon was top tier
I find it so interesting that we as a team of 3 decent down into the deep ocean of Titan. Kinda reminds me of that lore video where Oryx n his sister's venture into the deep to meet the worm God's. Really cool.
I just wanna say this is the first time in d2 entirely that a single activity has an armor set that I genuinely would pay for on its own, let alone for all three classes getting such an awesome armor set, for gods sake the hunters got symmetrical arms and legs for once, and warlocks got a helmet that genuinely took my breath away instead of the usual “oh another helmet that I’ll put an ornament over because of that weird bit sticking off the side that ruins the rest of it”
Your pure panic at 6:37 😂😂 I believe you now
Kelgorath is coming back, he’s in the triumphs for the seasonal activities
As soon as I entered the boss room, my immediate thought was can't wait for byfs vid on this
The drip is IMMACULATE, I fking love the armor, it's the best I've seen in a real long time. Once again, thx for bringing the lore together.
This dungeon raised alot of points i wanted to talk about (some of which u talked about ) :
1/ y oryx body is in titan and not saturn ??
2/ how the body didnt disintegrate in all the pressure and heat until it reached the bottom of a whole ocean ??
3/ the whole idea of oryx being revived . The time i first saw his body with a ghost on his chest was not just fearful but i was filled with joy to actually see my all time favourite destiny boss alive again but with light
4/ who is direcrtng the lucent hive ?? Savathun? Immaru ?and where are they
5/ who is the ghost we just killed ?
6/ finally i want to ask about xivu
Shes is so eager and excited when she talks about oryx . Y her logs are in the dungeon . What are her motives . Its really fascinating seeing that strong character a god of war desperate about her brother .
For the past year ive grown a very strong feelings of strange emotions that i want these 3 slings to come up and help us defeat the witness . Even tho i dnt think its possible but if oryx and savathun are with the light . We might have a chance
Really nice content this season
You sparked a memory with your intro. When I was a kid I was an ocean rescue lifeguard. Part of our training was to swim 50 strokes out then dive for sand. We had to scoop sand from the bottom and bring it to the surface… then swim 50 strokes out and do it again 4 more times…. My guy, that pitch black freezing water is where boys become men..
How many of ya'll remember the strike "Savathun's Song"? The 'how' for how Oryx got to Titan feels blatantly obvious now: "This is a cap on some kind of summoning spell. The whole thing is being powered by void light. The Hive are calling something to Titan." We were never told what exactly they were summoning. And Y1 D2 wasn't too long after the Kings Fall raid, it would've taken Oryx's body time to float allllll the way to Saturn, so the Hive had enough time to intercept his body. I'm guessing this was all a long term plan on Savathun's part, possibly as a way to have her and her brother reunited to be in the right place at the right time. After all, Savathun would've had multiple backup plans in place in case of her defeat... unless that too was intentional.
I think it’s awesome that we’re finally back on titan. Also I believe that during the fly over cut scene I think we see our canon less drake tank thing from the mission where we have to recover that computer core to decrypt the red legion messages in Red War. Also with respects to the body of Oryx, as I know other people have pointed out, just because the body appears to be on a purely radial trajectory, moving perfectly outward in a straight line, from the perspective of the Dreadnaught assuming the Dreadnaught is maintaining an orbit and not just hanging in one spot with all the funky gravity from the collapse and all the moons along with a potentially very eccentric, very elliptical, orbital path of the body it could definitely ended up on Titan.
A note on the 13:00 thought; it would be SO FUCKING COOL if we got nezarec whispers or something like that when using touch of malice in the final boss room, like the wheels spin a little faster or the heart ebbs out more particles or some red mist to show rage
The Pressure resistance reminds me of the Marathon game mechanic. There was one vacuum level "Sunbathing" You had to find oxygen stations scattered throughout level.
Byf: mentions Kelgorath and asks us to imagine if he came back again.
Me, who read the Thin Precipice lore tab: "Buckle up, brother."
Also if you pop a single bubble near your allies it will replenish everyone. This way you save bubbles when needed.
I love everything around the narrative of this dungeon. The only addition I would have loved to see would be the inclusion of Immaru, Savathun’s ghost, somewhere. We all know Savathun will return someday, and if we got to see even just a little bit from Immaru and what he is up to would have been a great start to Savathun’s reintroduction, especially with how closely all 3 of the Hive gods are tied in this dungeon’s narrative.
I remember seeing a comment under one of your videos on the alter of reflections about the idea of a "servitor sized ghost floating around saturn looking for oryx" and this dungeon makes me kind of wish we could of seen that.
The Dreadnought was and still is in orbit of Saturn’s rings. It’s a literal longshot, but perhaps his corpse was eventually slingshot out of orbit towards Titan.
In the lore tab from the "Royal Chase" Scout Rifle, it shows two people talking about a monster headed to Titan, Oryx as we know in this dungeon, and it's signal lost as Titan dissapears.
This once again brings to mind one of Savathun's lines in the Altar of Reflection: "The Take King will rise again"
Mr Byf. Mr MNiB. Mr my lore god. i desperately want to watch you playing through this dungeon and all of your first reactions. Thank you. also i must give a wholehearted AMEN to Xivu's voice acting. i was talking to my fireteam about it after we found about half of the memories. "dang shes killin' this stuff." capturing that verge-of-tears rage without it being over the top is HARD and she NAILED it.
11:30 referencing kelgorath I believe before he was in the deep dives boss pool is fucking hilarious, aged like fine wine
Im pretty sure kelgorath is listed as a deep dive boss in triumphs alreadlh
11:45 So, funny you should mention Kelgorath... He's back again this season as a Salvage boss.