Easiest is Unholy Dk. Largest part of their damage is from clicking one button to summon Gargoyle, then having a handful of get out of jail free cards for playing badly. Gargoyle does so much damage, that most players have to los and wait it out. It’s kind of just an annoying gimmick.
Mage doesn't feel inherently difficult as a class; it's mostly in the hands of the user. Any mage can poly & burst, but a lot don't use it when it matters. I know that any person who's been PvPing since Arena was released originally can tell you the same thing, if you encounter a "good" mage, you will know it.
I would honestly say that destro doesn't really belong in easy, I would say it's moreso moderate. Sure the DMG is nice, but 1 thing has always been consistent with destro, setups. You're not really gonna get dmg off without a setup, you also only have 2 schools unlike retail. If you get kicked on fire you can't do any DMG, corruption doesn't really do anything. Chaos bolt is fire school in wrath. Having access to tools like instant Shadowfury and backlash is most certainly helpful however but I wouldn't say makes the spec easy. Their defensive end is really great and next to perfect into casters, however with soul link you still take a truck load of dmg from classes like rogues, warriors and of course a casters best friend, death knights. Managing your pet is also very important, no pet, no soul link. Remember in Wrath we don't have the pet command Move To, meaning it's tougher to position our pet well and they die very easy. You'll also play felhunter more often than not simply because being able to purge yourself and team mates as well as spell lock AND blanket silence enemy casters/healers is just far too good for succubus to compare.
I think you took the list in the wrong way. I think it wasn't trying to claim that any monkey can be a good destro lock. Rather this list is for skill floor. Like the lowest skill you can have, and be relatively useful. Like if you're new to wow pvp and want to pick some class and feel like you have an impact. For that purpose, you CAN just use succubus on passive and autocast seduction. You CAN just use spells randomly and chunk people. Is it optimal? No. Is destro skill ceiling really high too? Yes. Like as destro you should probably play fel hunter for most matchups to be optimal. You should dot multiple targets while kiting to be optimal. But you don't HAVE TO do it to be a useful team mate. Meanwhile affliction hasn't got an option to play with succubus. They have to manage multidotting and generate pressure. They only have one spell school. They don't get procs for instant casts when hit. A bad affli lock is useless. A bad destro lock you can work with.
I would say Destro and Affliction are both moderately difficult. I’m surprised they put them in easy and difficult. Pet selection is matchup based, not spec based.
I certainly agree. This guy in the video is stating " Succubus og autocast"? If you have Succubus on autocast you are killing your DR's and litterally griefing yourself. 99% of the time autocast on Succubus is losing yourself all and every single arena match sub 1000 elo. Also if a lock is having seduction on autocast, they probably also has no clue about pet-management, which will get their succubus killed all day. So that will result in a Destro lock without a pet and no soullink, which is pretty much a deathsentence. This video guy is an absolute troll not gonna lie.
Destro Doesnt suck. Its Just hard to set the things on. The video only shows the positive side and the perfect scenario where immo IS on and nobody is interrupting you. You need a mindset where your immo Will never be up in your target and its only a patch tô conflag (either shadowflame) and get 30%haste for a faster casts for set UP a letal later or force a trinket
Kinda have to disagree on ur Categories I mean just so you don' t have as much options doesn't means ur class is easier. The opposite is the case more cooldowns and more options means you can mess up more! Like Uh vs Fdk for sure you have less Cooldowns. But Unholy diseases can't be dispelled you have much more reliable slow And extra protections against Magic. Also the Garg is range so u can just put him anywere. Enhancenent however needs to be carefull with mana is easy to kite and squishie especialy when your wolfes are down. Since your spirits provite your Speed buff and root removal and also heal you. Your spirits are your best and pretty much only real tool of burst and survival. To manage that and survive between this Cooldown 165 seconds isn't easy. Arms warrior gonna stomp the low elo with pretty much faceroll into enemys face playstyle. And Rage managment is less important than u think! Also u don't usually pummel you shield bash since you can macro a shield sword makro so you do not have to switch stance. Maybe play wotlk arena first lmao!
@@zhanurdos its Hard to be consistent in higher bracket but its Not skillfull at all if it works. Its Not Setup based its just a gear/skill Check for the Enemy .
@@JP-bs8gl enha is most skillful class in wrath , u have totems purges heals positioning wep swap etc. Its not just rush wolfs stormstrike purge. Thats why only few enhas are really got 3k in soloq / 3s in private servers.
@@zhanurdos like i Said thats True in pve Maybe cause everybody Else expect feral , dk and Maybe affli is easy . You have to Watch procs etc and snapshot. But in pvp Other classes are harder. Totems and the Interrupt is a thing that Males them even stronger and easier cause its simply an Instant click its either a slow , fearbreaker , absorb or even a damage boost etc and is harder to manage as Heal or ele cause you move Away from the Totems vs as enhance you Can put them in the Face of your Enemy and Burst them down. For example Fire Nova is way easier to use for enhance than as ele where you Would have to Root the Target and move Away to then use fire Nova with Other Hard casting spells
Ele doesn't have dispel protection, it has a mini-lust. You should always dispel flameshock because the only threat of doing so is a fast hex, which isn't much of a threat considering hex has a 45 second CD and 20 yd range. Lbolt does 1k damage non-crit for a 2 second cast time. Chain lightning is only gonna do average damage unless you crit or proc overload. Frost shock does ok damage for an instant cast. That's why shamans and locks were always a thing, the lock gives the shaman dispel protection. You dispel flameshock and the shaman is gonna lose 50% of their damage since Lburst won't crit. Ele is bad at many things btw, most of all living vs melee cleaves which is 90% of the meta (DK+anything). Also, their CC is terrible. Hex, thunderstorm, earthgrab. That's it. Windshear is good, but its still worse than blanket silences with locks/spriests/mages all get (and mage/lock still has the long duration interrupt built in). Ele is also the only caster without a stun which is a massive downside. It's mobility is also average at best. Ele is also the only caster with no defensive CD. No stoneclaw totem doesn't count lol it's a 30sec CD priest shield, I mean an actual defensive. Our only "defensive" comes from being stunned/silenced, so it does nothing when people just pop CDs and burst. Your self/peel is a root, which anyone can just counter CC you on, and a knockback with a longer CD than every gapcloser in the game. You are pretty much 100% reliant on your team to peel for you if you get tunneled, which you most likely will because you are so easy to train down. The main strength of ele is its burst if you can get it off, but that requires the other healer to not dispel and you to freecast. Every other cast can do good burst too with those conditions, but can do the same without those conditions. Also, ele is good vs mages because of purge, low cd kick, grounding. It's not good vs dot classes because they will just rot you down until you oom while they pillar hump. Ele can't do much of anything vs pillar humpers because almost all your damage is hard-casted. And it's not good vs melee because you will struggle to get any casts off. Vs any feral/rogue, you literally can't do anything. Vs any good dk/war/enhance it's pretty much the same. Your mobility is worse than mages/boomies, but better than priest. It's better than lock in some ways but worse in others. Lock's just port out instantly, shamans can sort of outrun people eventually but take damage the whole time they are doing so. Ele also has the worst healing of any hybrid. Fastest to oom and most hard-cast reliant for the least healing per cast. But people cry that ele is OP because they get "one shot", except when you look at the damage breakdown I can guarantee you the mage/lock/boomy/war (all of the most common ele comps) are doing more than the ele lol and bursting harder than the ele. Hell even shadowpriests can burst as hard as ele with full dots then mindblast+death crit. Ele has tonnes of nieche tools, so it supplements other classes well. But ele itself is pretty lackluster in most aspects of the game (cc, survivability, mobility, actually getting their damage off). Ele can be summed up simply as, if you fuck up once you're probably dead, or so far behind that you can't catch up. If you don't believe me play one, I played mage/lock/ele back in original wrath and ele was by far the hardest to win with. It's skill ceiling is definitely high, not as high as hunters, but more so than any other ranged in the game. Mage/Lock by far the easiest. Then boomy. Then spriest. Then ele. Then hunter.
I played ele the whole original Wotlk, it was fun, but I wanna see you play it in 2s double dps, I did 2,2k+ playing ele/frost and it’s not that easy as you think
"Resto shamans are hard because they suck." Playing as resto shaman was much more easy and fun for me than playing priest. Shamans are tankier and much more mobile - huge advantage for survivability.
Boomkin, mana manage while doing dmg and off healint, go and stop go, using non instant CC, shapeshifting. And low dmg while no starfall. Is the hardest ranged by far, moreover is the worst ranged for arena..
I'm kinda unsure of frost mage being harder than deslock, passive tankyness but is it so strong vs geared people? I think lock do way better vs casters as mage can cope vs melees
It is without question the worst healer in the game and its not even close. Worst throughput healing, worst burst healing, worst mana efficiency, worst survivability, worst cc, worst defensives, 2nd worst mobility?
Easy arena experience , destro lock? On s5? ... I really wanna see newbies or players that hvnt played destro on wotlk jumping to 2s or even worse 3s with this spec & class overall.. good luck playing against arms/ench , ench/bm , ret/ench/hunt/feral.. and may your healer have mercy on his soul when double s5 rogues that know how 2 get you in 2s... Lmfao.... Lock is one if not the hardest caster to play especially in wotlk.. its not 2009 anymore...
@@novinceinhosic3531 On arena tournament and on warmane later, the highest and multi rank1 warlock in 2s was an orc lock that was playing with a resto sham.. consistently every single season was highest lock in 2s! I dont say it doesnt work with ele ofc, but saying you "dont" play with a healer is not valid.
This list seems to be base off of using class CC,utility,and cooldown management. It doesn't seem based off of rotations. anybody can do damage using you tool kit with your team to get kills and not die.
I wouldn’t say destro is in easy at all mage in therory should be easy then too because they have access to plenty of slows/roots and 2 blocks warlock literally has port coil and that’s it (I don’t count soul link as a real defensive) the both classes are pretty equal in difficulty
I play heaps of mage and i find lock hard, purely because i search for defensives then realise i dont have any.. so positioning gets punished a lot harder.
You dont count soul link, a passive 20% CDR thats basically up all time, as defensive?? xD That is one of the reasons why destro is in easy category while mage is in hard. Because mage has to actively use all of their defensives at the right time. As a lock, you can actually tank people for decent amount of time.
Of course you reinforce the idea that mages and rogues are difficult. Having the biggest toolkit in the game does not make it hard, it makes it OP. A friend and me even memed double mage 2009 in blues, and back pedal+ice lanced our way to 2k. They are so INHERENTLY BROKEN that it doesn't matter having a higher skull ceiling. That usually just means Blizz loves them too much, meaning that the class had more shit to manage (as opposed to shaman, who is hard because it is, as you say, bad). So sick of having 50% of the entire 2v2 bracket consisting of rogues and priests, and they claiming it's hard. Oh I'm sorry, did someone survive your stunlock PvE opener? You poor baby.
I guess there a lot of people who have no idea about how the meta was in 3v3 5v5 Wotlk to say that "mage is hard" "ret is moderate" "rsham is hard". Maybe is hard to play in solo , but with Cleave (and its variations) and RMP these class are not as hard and for some , really facerolling/tunneling.
You can´t compare ele shamans with mm/surv hunters :P They are on different levels of hard where hunters are maaaad difficult. I´ve played on my pala since classic vanilla and while they are easy to learn they are very hard to master due to all the roles they fill.. hunter fill one role but gddamn that´s tough if you don´t know what you´re doing.
@@MDeviltrigger the video isn't about what classes suck. it's about "EASIEST to HARDEST Classes to Play" I.E. skill floor... if you don't understand that there is no hope for you...
@@brandenwatt "the videos isn't about what classes suck" I never said that, they literally use that word in that class spec, not the entire video. And that shouldn't be the reason a class I'd hard to play, that's just lazy. If you don't see it then there's no hope for you.
@@brandenwatt they have an insanely high skill cap hate to say it. They can't just zug zug like on retail. I mained warrior basically Until they gutted them.
nah they're medium difficulty compared with the rest. Tanky and straight forward damage is the easy side, utility usage to keep pressure and your team alive is the difficulty. so medium difficulty. try other classes and you'll see the coordination and squishiness of others is harder
Rogue is hard as fuck if you want to step kick/gaunge, not instant die without cd and manage to kite. And ret is a hybrid if you are look ping to smash keys you will suck, a good ret is defined by his ability to quickly dispel sheep/fear/stun, rotate sacred shield to protect team mates, predict CC with sac etc
@@itsholidaybb play rogue at a high level, you'll quickly see the skill requirement to play it. your damage outside of shadow dance isn't that awesome, you're squishy, and you need to constantly adapt your gameplan. try to hit glad on rogue and you'll see
Fury is just garbage for PvP. Arms is versatile and prot has comps it's really good in and really good against. It's squishy and doesn't have dispel spam of prot or heal debuff of arms.
Gotta disagree on destro lock. You are almost always the kill target on opener and pretty damn squishy. If you aren’t the kill target, sure yeah simple rotation.
i was thinking this to tbh any lock class esp in a comp vs double dps like every time im doing double dps and theres lock we just dumb cds n open lock and 85% chance it works out
hunter is extremely hard, literally no way to prevent damage since deter barely works and they're super squishy. you never see them in arena because they're trash
Honestly to anyone who is gonna main a hunter: be sure you know what you are getting yourself into, because if you dont play right you can wipe raids. great example is the lich king fight, such annoying shit as a hunter in my opinion.
He's need dispell they braceros fast retire agro in horrors mantain orbs out in 2phase and a lot of shits You need macro , y i use macro for all bcse i AM yo lazy to clik bracer
using their criteria, MM is the hardest, the ceiling and floor have a massive differential, it has arguably the most binds in the game, and is just as squish as mage.
@@murk4545 Marksmen has the most binds, is a glass cannon, and requires mastery of controlling a pet to have a fighting chance against most classes. how is that a low skill floor? In PVE sure, but not in PVP. Also to give it perspective im a gladiator hunter.
Frankly I've found wotlk shadow priests to be pretty easy. Imo it's easier than Enh Shaman, but that might the fact that Enh. gets countered pretty hard by arms warriors, one of the most popular classes in that expansion, making it a bit frustrating.
@@drainzs Skill floor has nothing to do with how hard something is to play, it defines how hard it is to learn. Skill ceiling is the potential of the class at it's highest level, or when played at its **most difficult.** Skill ceiling is how hard to play, and skill floor is how hard to learn.
Mage really is difficult, especially in pvp, I'm struggling a lot with this class, it seems that even if I had ten more fingers, I would still have difficulty in duels hahaha, but I also know its potential, that's why I'm insisting and I intend to master it . I'm a beginner, so it's normal for me to have difficulty, especially because I don't know everything about the game or the opponents, but I feel a little calmer knowing that mage really is difficult and that the problem might not just be me. LoL
The part where you guys show prot game play and prot pala well that was half ret half prot spec called preg so that wast even close to what prot gameplay is 😂
Enhance Shaman is for me one of the most difficult class to play. The gameplay seem very stupid... But be sure that shaman has no cd to save you. You have only the wolves. When wolves and fury/heroism are finish... You are very useless! I played this class during longtime and every time frustration. Only elemental and heal are available OR Enhance shaman in v2 with a ret pal. After this class is useless...
In pvp it's pretty Unga Bunga. You pop cds in the early game and roll. That works all the way to 1800 rating. That's pretty fkin easy. Sure maybe at the like... 2400 it becomes hard because you make decisions and your positioning actually matters but at mid to low elo? It's by far one of the easier classes.
I know bm is super strong s5, but please outta nessicciity.. can BM still be strong in s6 early s7? paired with a enh sham ofc! i dont wanna just lv bm and have it good s5 then not good s6 s7.. so are they atleast ALRIGHT decent/fine? thanks!
Was playing bm with uh dk and hpal in s8. Facing RMP was the best feeling in the world. :D Priests were dying through all their cds in less than a min :D It's very gear dependent tho, you better enjoy pve :)
@@BaraPersson bro I would mm is super pve gear releíant and needs a lot armor pen check out Apex analysis video he explains it and u lack a lot of dmg with pvp gear only
Ye , i mentioned same mistake in this video. what about pet managment with offencive and defencive dispell alone? Plus double cc skill with seduce + setting perfect damage chains ...
The worst ever tier lol. I think u guys never ever played wotlk. Mage and affliction hard?? Unholy is one of the easiest specs. Mage is easy- moderate, affli is easy. Boomkin and Shadow aren't moderate they are both easy especially boomkin. And finally putting destro easy tier lol, i won't even get into this. U guys know zero.
Ele is hardly easy. Earthbind is 10.5 seconds, can be dispelled, DR's and can be hit with immunities. Your ghost wolf can easily be dispelled, and astral shift is weak when you face many double DPS comps. This was obviously produced months ago, and as wow has over time things change as new information is produced. Also obtaining gear is far easier as a whole. Ele relies heavily on your partner(s) and their decisions. 40 second hex is another abilitiy, but again is 40 seconds CD. Locks in general are also difficult, both ele and lock are two specs almost exclusively that lack any kind of fail safe or defensive CD. Mages have iceblock, sheeps, blinks, invisi etc. Nearly every other spec has some form of defensive that can entirely change the game if they are near death. It is nice that this video can cover a ton of different class CD's and such, but in depth its wrong.
Lots of BS. as someone who plays spriest, aflic/destro lock, ele shaman, I can say that spriest is hands down the easiest caster to play perfectly. After that is Afliction, lots of room for errors with affliction. Destro is hard, if you make one mistake, you'll get interupted/chain CCed to death. Also you always gotta keep track of where you pet is
Ive been playing high rating wotlk pvp for over 10 years consistently now. this whole video is a mess. overall difficulty is a matter of opinion. alot of this stuff isnt even viable in the meta. thers so much to comment on i cant even fit it in this comment so im not even going to try to. So ill keep it short: For anyone watching this video and reading this comment, coming from a 2.5k player whos been playing wotlk consistently for over 10 years now, I would take the information in this video with a grain of salt.
The money back guarantee that they advertise for their guide is kind of a scam/false advertising. If you do something for 6 months, even if you're bad at it, you'll improve, so there's no way they're ever giving you your money back.
Shadow word death is a geat way to attempt to avoid a sheep/blind or to get your prayer of mending to jump to a different target, i found it to be quite useful so idk why you dismissed it
bm hunter is easy mode im taking classes way higher level then i am with beast wrath/kill command burst in bgs.i just press my burst macro throw in a few arcane/aimed shots and its gg the pet does the rest. i will argue that ele shaman is the squishiest i seam to be getting insta nuked by every other class and cant do to much about it which i can survive on my bm hunter much longer and burst them down faster.
i had 8 level 80 characters i pvp'd with in original wrath. as well as a high warlord sorcerer. in battlegrounds funnest is warrior paladin combo. or solo mage or warlock. in arena my favorite comp was rogue mage priest. that being said while some classes are harde/easier to play that doesnt mean it will be easy to climb the leaderboards. i agree mostly with ur rankings btw
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Easiest is Unholy Dk. Largest part of their damage is from clicking one button to summon Gargoyle, then having a handful of get out of jail free cards for playing badly. Gargoyle does so much damage, that most players have to los and wait it out. It’s kind of just an annoying gimmick.
Yeah this video is a joke. Unholy DK is absolutely face roll easiest bs in the game
Mage doesn't feel inherently difficult as a class; it's mostly in the hands of the user. Any mage can poly & burst, but a lot don't use it when it matters. I know that any person who's been PvPing since Arena was released originally can tell you the same thing, if you encounter a "good" mage, you will know it.
You just reiterrated what the video said...
13:51 pretty weird take lmao
I would honestly say that destro doesn't really belong in easy, I would say it's moreso moderate. Sure the DMG is nice, but 1 thing has always been consistent with destro, setups. You're not really gonna get dmg off without a setup, you also only have 2 schools unlike retail. If you get kicked on fire you can't do any DMG, corruption doesn't really do anything. Chaos bolt is fire school in wrath. Having access to tools like instant Shadowfury and backlash is most certainly helpful however but I wouldn't say makes the spec easy.
Their defensive end is really great and next to perfect into casters, however with soul link you still take a truck load of dmg from classes like rogues, warriors and of course a casters best friend, death knights. Managing your pet is also very important, no pet, no soul link. Remember in Wrath we don't have the pet command Move To, meaning it's tougher to position our pet well and they die very easy.
You'll also play felhunter more often than not simply because being able to purge yourself and team mates as well as spell lock AND blanket silence enemy casters/healers is just far too good for succubus to compare.
I think you took the list in the wrong way. I think it wasn't trying to claim that any monkey can be a good destro lock.
Rather this list is for skill floor. Like the lowest skill you can have, and be relatively useful. Like if you're new to wow pvp and want to pick some class and feel like you have an impact.
For that purpose, you CAN just use succubus on passive and autocast seduction. You CAN just use spells randomly and chunk people.
Is it optimal? No. Is destro skill ceiling really high too? Yes.
Like as destro you should probably play fel hunter for most matchups to be optimal. You should dot multiple targets while kiting to be optimal. But you don't HAVE TO do it to be a useful team mate. Meanwhile affliction hasn't got an option to play with succubus. They have to manage multidotting and generate pressure. They only have one spell school. They don't get procs for instant casts when hit. A bad affli lock is useless. A bad destro lock you can work with.
I would say Destro and Affliction are both moderately difficult. I’m surprised they put them in easy and difficult.
Pet selection is matchup based, not spec based.
@@samisuhonen9815 Lol if a noob would play destro in arena it will be destroyed af and i'll do absolutely nothing.
I certainly agree.
This guy in the video is stating " Succubus og autocast"?
If you have Succubus on autocast you are killing your DR's and litterally griefing yourself. 99% of the time autocast on Succubus is losing yourself all and every single arena match sub 1000 elo.
Also if a lock is having seduction on autocast, they probably also has no clue about pet-management, which will get their succubus killed all day.
So that will result in a Destro lock without a pet and no soullink, which is pretty much a deathsentence.
This video guy is an absolute troll not gonna lie.
yup. also a lot of destro locks struggle to get high arena raiting
Always appreciate your videos. Thank you for all this recent content.
Avenging wrath is spell stealable in wrath.
yea destro can melt shit but needs cast. And trying to cast thru all the kiting and interupting is the whole story..
Destro Doesnt suck. Its Just hard to set the things on. The video only shows the positive side and the perfect scenario where immo IS on and nobody is interrupting you. You need a mindset where your immo Will never be up in your target and its only a patch tô conflag (either shadowflame) and get 30%haste for a faster casts for set UP a letal later or force a trinket
This is all pretty damn accurate.
Kinda have to disagree on ur Categories I mean just so you don' t have as much options doesn't means ur class is easier. The opposite is the case more cooldowns and more options means you can mess up more!
Like Uh vs Fdk for sure you have less Cooldowns. But Unholy diseases can't be dispelled you have much more reliable slow And extra protections against Magic.
Also the Garg is range so u can just put him anywere.
Enhancenent however needs to be carefull with mana is easy to kite and squishie especialy when your wolfes are down. Since your spirits provite your Speed buff and root removal and also heal you. Your spirits are your best and pretty much only real tool of burst and survival.
To manage that and survive between this Cooldown 165 seconds isn't easy.
Arms warrior gonna stomp the low elo with pretty much faceroll into enemys face playstyle.
And Rage managment is less important than u think!
Also u don't usually pummel you shield bash since you can macro a shield sword makro so you do not have to switch stance.
Maybe play wotlk arena first lmao!
Ret pal moderate? He must has own category, for people who have claws instead of hands.
Enha shamans not easy lol its hardest
In pve its One of the hardest with Feral , Dk and affli but in Pvp its just press Cooldowns and kill and if you not Able to kill you 95 % have Lost .
@@JP-bs8gl ye to win in pvp 95%need to tryhard thats why hardest.
@@zhanurdos its Hard to be consistent in higher bracket but its Not skillfull at all if it works. Its Not Setup based its just a gear/skill Check for the Enemy .
@@JP-bs8gl enha is most skillful class in wrath , u have totems purges heals positioning wep swap etc. Its not just rush wolfs stormstrike purge. Thats why only few enhas are really got 3k in soloq / 3s in private servers.
@@zhanurdos like i Said thats True in pve Maybe cause everybody Else expect feral , dk and Maybe affli is easy . You have to Watch procs etc and snapshot. But in pvp Other classes are harder. Totems and the Interrupt is a thing that Males them even stronger and easier cause its simply an Instant click its either a slow , fearbreaker , absorb or even a damage boost etc and is harder to manage as Heal or ele cause you move Away from the Totems vs as enhance you Can put them in the Face of your Enemy and Burst them down.
For example Fire Nova is way easier to use for enhance than as ele where you Would have to Root the Target and move Away to then use fire Nova with Other Hard casting spells
Ele doesn't have dispel protection, it has a mini-lust. You should always dispel flameshock because the only threat of doing so is a fast hex, which isn't much of a threat considering hex has a 45 second CD and 20 yd range. Lbolt does 1k damage non-crit for a 2 second cast time. Chain lightning is only gonna do average damage unless you crit or proc overload. Frost shock does ok damage for an instant cast. That's why shamans and locks were always a thing, the lock gives the shaman dispel protection. You dispel flameshock and the shaman is gonna lose 50% of their damage since Lburst won't crit.
Ele is bad at many things btw, most of all living vs melee cleaves which is 90% of the meta (DK+anything). Also, their CC is terrible. Hex, thunderstorm, earthgrab. That's it. Windshear is good, but its still worse than blanket silences with locks/spriests/mages all get (and mage/lock still has the long duration interrupt built in). Ele is also the only caster without a stun which is a massive downside. It's mobility is also average at best.
Ele is also the only caster with no defensive CD. No stoneclaw totem doesn't count lol it's a 30sec CD priest shield, I mean an actual defensive. Our only "defensive" comes from being stunned/silenced, so it does nothing when people just pop CDs and burst. Your self/peel is a root, which anyone can just counter CC you on, and a knockback with a longer CD than every gapcloser in the game. You are pretty much 100% reliant on your team to peel for you if you get tunneled, which you most likely will because you are so easy to train down.
The main strength of ele is its burst if you can get it off, but that requires the other healer to not dispel and you to freecast. Every other cast can do good burst too with those conditions, but can do the same without those conditions. Also, ele is good vs mages because of purge, low cd kick, grounding. It's not good vs dot classes because they will just rot you down until you oom while they pillar hump. Ele can't do much of anything vs pillar humpers because almost all your damage is hard-casted. And it's not good vs melee because you will struggle to get any casts off. Vs any feral/rogue, you literally can't do anything. Vs any good dk/war/enhance it's pretty much the same.
Your mobility is worse than mages/boomies, but better than priest. It's better than lock in some ways but worse in others. Lock's just port out instantly, shamans can sort of outrun people eventually but take damage the whole time they are doing so. Ele also has the worst healing of any hybrid. Fastest to oom and most hard-cast reliant for the least healing per cast.
But people cry that ele is OP because they get "one shot", except when you look at the damage breakdown I can guarantee you the mage/lock/boomy/war (all of the most common ele comps) are doing more than the ele lol and bursting harder than the ele. Hell even shadowpriests can burst as hard as ele with full dots then mindblast+death crit. Ele has tonnes of nieche tools, so it supplements other classes well. But ele itself is pretty lackluster in most aspects of the game (cc, survivability, mobility, actually getting their damage off).
Ele can be summed up simply as, if you fuck up once you're probably dead, or so far behind that you can't catch up. If you don't believe me play one, I played mage/lock/ele back in original wrath and ele was by far the hardest to win with. It's skill ceiling is definitely high, not as high as hunters, but more so than any other ranged in the game. Mage/Lock by far the easiest. Then boomy. Then spriest. Then ele. Then hunter.
Ele bad against melee cleaves? You must be one bad ele
Ele shams are my hardest matchup as dk/warr/pally. lol.
You typed so much just to be wrong. Ele is literally the best spec in the game as you can see from ladder and tournament representation lol.
I played ele the whole original Wotlk, it was fun, but I wanna see you play it in 2s double dps, I did 2,2k+ playing ele/frost and it’s not that easy as you think
"Resto shamans are hard because they suck."
Playing as resto shaman was much more easy and fun for me than playing priest. Shamans are tankier and much more mobile - huge advantage for survivability.
Clearly these people haven't played enhance in 3v3
Clearly these people haven't played enhance, period.
my firts time playing wow I was chose rogue XD
so sad resto isnt that great.. its such a cool healer. hpally is so lame compared to resto
You forgot about assassination rogue
so like...what about demo tho
Boomkin, mana manage while doing dmg and off healint, go and stop go, using non instant CC, shapeshifting. And low dmg while no starfall. Is the hardest ranged by far, moreover is the worst ranged for arena..
For the first time in a long time, and I hate to say it but, the guys at skill capped don’t know what they’re talking about anymore.
I'm kinda unsure of frost mage being harder than deslock, passive tankyness but is it so strong vs geared people? I think lock do way better vs casters as mage can cope vs melees
destro lock is easy af you can 3 shot people
resto shaman is not bad, especially in 3v3.
It’s the worst healer in the game hands down lmao. They don’t heal as much as other healers and have little to no protection.
It is without question the worst healer in the game and its not even close. Worst throughput healing, worst burst healing, worst mana efficiency, worst survivability, worst cc, worst defensives, 2nd worst mobility?
And for the holy priest?
Haha that is not a thing :) it is for PvE
@@oktofred it’s not even good in pve honestly just go disc. Any mechanic that relies on your death to proc is shitty, except for reincarnation
Where is preg pala?
enhancer is easy in pvp? are you delusional lol
did I miss something or was fury warrior not mentioned? :)
Fury is not a pvp spec.
true
Death knights are the noobs preferred way to be useless - a position formely filled by rogues
Easy arena experience , destro lock? On s5? ... I really wanna see newbies or players that hvnt played destro on wotlk jumping to 2s or even worse 3s with this spec & class overall.. good luck playing against arms/ench , ench/bm , ret/ench/hunt/feral.. and may your healer have mercy on his soul when double s5 rogues that know how 2 get you in 2s... Lmfao....
Lock is one if not the hardest caster to play especially in wotlk.. its not 2009 anymore...
@@novinceinhosic3531 On arena tournament and on warmane later, the highest and multi rank1 warlock in 2s was an orc lock that was playing with a resto sham.. consistently every single season was highest lock in 2s! I dont say it doesnt work with ele ofc, but saying you "dont" play with a healer is not valid.
This list seems to be base off of using class CC,utility,and cooldown management. It doesn't seem based off of rotations. anybody can do damage using you tool kit with your team to get kills and not die.
Mage being one of the hardest classes? Sure if you're coming back from retail and never played vanilla/wrath.
I wouldn’t say destro is in easy at all mage in therory should be easy then too because they have access to plenty of slows/roots and 2 blocks warlock literally has port coil and that’s it (I don’t count soul link as a real defensive) the both classes are pretty equal in difficulty
I play heaps of mage and i find lock hard, purely because i search for defensives then realise i dont have any.. so positioning gets punished a lot harder.
You dont count soul link, a passive 20% CDR thats basically up all time, as defensive?? xD That is one of the reasons why destro is in easy category while mage is in hard. Because mage has to actively use all of their defensives at the right time. As a lock, you can actually tank people for decent amount of time.
@@Hitmaster8 he's not talking about passives...
@@novinceinhosic3531 SL is 20%+5%(glyph)
Of course you reinforce the idea that mages and rogues are difficult. Having the biggest toolkit in the game does not make it hard, it makes it OP. A friend and me even memed double mage 2009 in blues, and back pedal+ice lanced our way to 2k. They are so INHERENTLY BROKEN that it doesn't matter having a higher skull ceiling. That usually just means Blizz loves them too much, meaning that the class had more shit to manage (as opposed to shaman, who is hard because it is, as you say, bad).
So sick of having 50% of the entire 2v2 bracket consisting of rogues and priests, and they claiming it's hard. Oh I'm sorry, did someone survive your stunlock PvE opener? You poor baby.
WHY DIDNT YOU TALK ABOUT ARCANE OR FIRE MAGE?
He did. He wrapped all of the mage specs into one and put it as a whole in the hardest caster class overall
Cause no one cares about them
feral & rsham will be top 2v2 comp s5
Looks like you're wrong lol. Anything with a dk/rogue/feral will be, but sure as shit not rsham. Hpal then disc priest, then resto druid, then shaman.
I guess there a lot of people who have no idea about how the meta was in 3v3 5v5 Wotlk to say that "mage is hard" "ret is moderate" "rsham is hard".
Maybe is hard to play in solo , but with Cleave (and its variations) and RMP these class are not as hard and for some , really facerolling/tunneling.
Its clearly not ratation because shaman has the most apm to be good so this guy is wild
id say clueless
You can´t compare ele shamans with mm/surv hunters :P They are on different levels of hard where hunters are maaaad difficult. I´ve played on my pala since classic vanilla and while they are easy to learn they are very hard to master due to all the roles they fill.. hunter fill one role but gddamn that´s tough if you don´t know what you´re doing.
None of this trash matters when you’re fighting bots.
Frost mage is one of the most faceroll classes in the entire series. Hard? What a joke...
Stick to genshin impact kid
wotlk = retail. Cheesy game
what the frick
Resto shammans suck? What is this list.
Absterge would like to have a word with them
did you read the title of the video?...
Did you watch the video? ... They "kinda suck" is their way of explaining it's hard LMAO.
@@MDeviltrigger the video isn't about what classes suck. it's about "EASIEST to HARDEST Classes to Play" I.E. skill floor... if you don't understand that there is no hope for you...
@@brandenwatt "the videos isn't about what classes suck" I never said that, they literally use that word in that class spec, not the entire video. And that shouldn't be the reason a class I'd hard to play, that's just lazy. If you don't see it then there's no hope for you.
this list is so bad
wotlk has a high skill cap... 😂 good one
You obviously didn't play then, since you are a child.
Warlocks either way are extreme noobs or extreme skilled powners
MM Hunter is THE hardest period. By every criteria.
OK their champ, try other classes
@@RenonTTV This reply means your either a troll or you're bad. 'Nuff said.
@@themasterkey3 I think your comment says exactly the same
@@RenonTTV Tell me a class that is harder, go ahead.
@@themasterkey3 Rogue, Mage, Feral Druid
Mage = hard 🤣
Arms warrior is hardest and most skill required
don't make me laugh...
@@brandenwatt they have an insanely high skill cap hate to say it. They can't just zug zug like on retail. I mained warrior basically Until they gutted them.
@@phillipfessenden7705 they aren't the lowest skill cap but insane... lol far from it
nah they're medium difficulty compared with the rest. Tanky and straight forward damage is the easy side, utility usage to keep pressure and your team alive is the difficulty. so medium difficulty.
try other classes and you'll see the coordination and squishiness of others is harder
why because making /equip 1h /equip shield /cast defensive stance /cast spell reflect or shield bash - /equip 2h /cast battle stance /cast charge requires skill? u literally need 2 macros 1 for battle stance & 2nd for spell reflect / shield bash literally charge bladestorm class lol
rogue and hard LOL ... ret is moderate and not easy? Lol. Hard disagree.
Rogue is hard as fuck if you want to step kick/gaunge, not instant die without cd and manage to kite. And ret is a hybrid if you are look ping to smash keys you will suck, a good ret is defined by his ability to quickly dispel sheep/fear/stun, rotate sacred shield to protect team mates, predict CC with sac etc
you can't zug on a rogue... it's really hard if you want to play at a high level.
@@justlikeyourfathersaid I don't agree in the least...
@@itsholidaybb play rogue at a high level, you'll quickly see the skill requirement to play it. your damage outside of shadow dance isn't that awesome, you're squishy, and you need to constantly adapt your gameplan.
try to hit glad on rogue and you'll see
@@RenonTTV give me a geared rogue when season one comes around and sure
this is not turtle wow content, the thing i am searching for
idk why ret is hard play just 1 button XD i do 15k dps with me macro XD
ok, ur rating as ret?
DK is the easiest class in the game IMO.
I like how Fury isn't even on the list.
Well its a pvp tier list. Do many people play fury in pvp? Arms is just so much better, no?
@@sonof2tards I play fury in pvp when I forget to switch to arms
@@sonof2tards fury with top gear is the best dps on pvp tho
@@Epicdps p.s. i remember that dude. Is he still alive?
Fury is just garbage for PvP. Arms is versatile and prot has comps it's really good in and really good against. It's squishy and doesn't have dispel spam of prot or heal debuff of arms.
Gotta disagree on destro lock. You are almost always the kill target on opener and pretty damn squishy. If you aren’t the kill target, sure yeah simple rotation.
i was thinking this to tbh any lock class esp in a comp vs double dps like every time im doing double dps and theres lock we just dumb cds n open lock and 85% chance it works out
hunter is extremely hard, literally no way to prevent damage since deter barely works and they're super squishy. you never see them in arena because they're trash
Honestly to anyone who is gonna main a hunter: be sure you know what you are getting yourself into, because if you dont play right you can wipe raids. great example is the lich king fight, such annoying shit as a hunter in my opinion.
whys that? what about that fight as a hunter?
He's need dispell they braceros fast retire agro in horrors mantain orbs out in 2phase and a lot of shits You need macro , y i use macro for all bcse i AM yo lazy to clik bracer
hunters in pve are easy, even on lich king fight, pressing dispel macro once every 15 sec for 2 min max isnt that hard if you mean wipe on enrage
@@memorial6 im not saying its hard, more like it can be annoying so know what ur getting urself into. if you like it then great.
The rude awakwening of nostalgic players wanting some pvp once the wotlk private server PVP fanatics take over 🤣🤣
Enh easy? Lol alright, had to stop the video there.
Destro is extremely difficult to play due to pet management and pets being too squishy. Once your pet dies 2 times, you're basically dead.
Imagine saying enh sham is an easy melee kekw
using their criteria, MM is the hardest, the ceiling and floor have a massive differential, it has arguably the most binds in the game, and is just as squish as mage.
I think a class being hard is more about the floor than anything.
Hunter has a very low skill floor imo
@@murk4545 Marksmen has the most binds, is a glass cannon, and requires mastery of controlling a pet to have a fighting chance against most classes. how is that a low skill floor? In PVE sure, but not in PVP. Also to give it perspective im a gladiator hunter.
@@zanejackson8532 I am a gladiator hunter as well, and hunter is easy
@@swizzbeatz2075 your a gladiator from wrath or shadowlands?
hunt is hard and you gotta be very clueless to think otherise. No, throwing ur damage spells and waiting/dying isn't playing the class
Destro lock ez ranged? roflmao
Did this man just say that enhancement shaman is the easiest melee class and name them first?
My thoughts exactly😂
Frankly I've found wotlk shadow priests to be pretty easy. Imo it's easier than Enh Shaman, but that might the fact that Enh. gets countered pretty hard by arms warriors, one of the most popular classes in that expansion, making it a bit frustrating.
I stop the video when he said enh is ez
I just want to Arena and do RBGs that leveling stuff and PVE is boring
No rbgs in wrath unfortunately
@@GoronsCave yeah I wish there was it’s so much more fun than arena imo
Can ya'll make on on skill ceiling aswell, not only how hard it is to play it. That would be great!
Skill ceiling is just how creative you get with the kit you made.
So get creative lol
Skill ceiling IS how hard it is to play…
Wtf are you on about m8
@@leetringoobis1574 no that's skill floor, skill ceiling is how good you can get. or how much skill it takes to master it
@@drainzs Skill floor has nothing to do with how hard something is to play, it defines how hard it is to learn.
Skill ceiling is the potential of the class at it's highest level, or when played at its **most difficult.**
Skill ceiling is how hard to play, and skill floor is how hard to learn.
rogue and mage are 1 and 2 in that regard
Mage really is difficult, especially in pvp, I'm struggling a lot with this class, it seems that even if I had ten more fingers, I would still have difficulty in duels hahaha, but I also know its potential, that's why I'm insisting and I intend to master it . I'm a beginner, so it's normal for me to have difficulty, especially because I don't know everything about the game or the opponents, but I feel a little calmer knowing that mage really is difficult and that the problem might not just be me. LoL
The part where you guys show prot game play and prot pala well that was half ret half prot spec called preg so that wast even close to what prot gameplay is 😂
Enhance Shaman is for me one of the most difficult class to play. The gameplay seem very stupid... But be sure that shaman has no cd to save you. You have only the wolves. When wolves and fury/heroism are finish... You are very useless!
I played this class during longtime and every time frustration.
Only elemental and heal are available OR Enhance shaman in v2 with a ret pal. After this class is useless...
Enh Shamans are far from the easiest. In fact they are one of the hardest along winth feral.
In pvp it's pretty Unga Bunga.
You pop cds in the early game and roll. That works all the way to 1800 rating.
That's pretty fkin easy.
Sure maybe at the like... 2400 it becomes hard because you make decisions and your positioning actually matters but at mid to low elo? It's by far one of the easier classes.
@@IShotLazer Sure but that could be said about almost every single melee on here regardless. Pop CDs and kill someone before they react at low rating.
I know bm is super strong s5, but please outta nessicciity.. can BM still be strong in s6 early s7? paired with a enh sham ofc! i dont wanna just lv bm and have it good s5 then not good s6 s7.. so are they atleast ALRIGHT decent/fine? thanks!
Paired with enh it's fine all xpac if U just wanna zug
Well after s5 u can change spec to MM and ur top tier!
s8 beastcleave is still strong
Was playing bm with uh dk and hpal in s8. Facing RMP was the best feeling in the world. :D Priests were dying through all their cds in less than a min :D It's very gear dependent tho, you better enjoy pve :)
@@BaraPersson bro I would mm is super pve gear releíant and needs a lot armor pen check out Apex analysis video he explains it and u lack a lot of dmg with pvp gear only
Blood dk?
only unholy on arenas.
all are accurate just moderate melee clases are easier and more overpowered than the ones u put on easy mele xd
As a mage, I approve. Thanks for the ego boost
Lol demo?
so many twitchful gladiators here hahahah
Rogue here is not for little kids
L0l within 6 months my guy if anyone doesn't get better from just playing for 6 months they should stop 🤣
Bruh you skipped demo lock :/
balance druids are good wtf
3s balance Dudu, ele Shaman and Holy pally owns
Yeah don’t take rogue as first class
RuneScape own disc
Destro Locks easy? really? Leave the pet following you and get cleaved by warriors in 5 secs 😁
Ye , i mentioned same mistake in this video. what about pet managment with offencive and defencive dispell alone? Plus double cc skill with seduce + setting perfect damage chains ...
From a skill floor perspective, seems fair.
While warlock pet management is hard, the warlock has so much utility and so many strong spells you can do easily well compared to many other classes
@@chazfernandes9840 skill floor? U mean hitting 3 buttons and missing out on 90% of the kit?
@@kklap3219 exactly what I mean. A bad lock can still be moderately successful without fully taking advantage.
The worst ever tier lol. I think u guys never ever played wotlk. Mage and affliction hard?? Unholy is one of the easiest specs. Mage is easy- moderate, affli is easy. Boomkin and Shadow aren't moderate they are both easy especially boomkin. And finally putting destro easy tier lol, i won't even get into this. U guys know zero.
Aswell disco isn't easy i can say it's the hardest healer.
Where is holy priest?
in the trash
In the landfill alongside fury warriors
Ele is hardly easy. Earthbind is 10.5 seconds, can be dispelled, DR's and can be hit with immunities. Your ghost wolf can easily be dispelled, and astral shift is weak when you face many double DPS comps. This was obviously produced months ago, and as wow has over time things change as new information is produced. Also obtaining gear is far easier as a whole. Ele relies heavily on your partner(s) and their decisions. 40 second hex is another abilitiy, but again is 40 seconds CD. Locks in general are also difficult, both ele and lock are two specs almost exclusively that lack any kind of fail safe or defensive CD. Mages have iceblock, sheeps, blinks, invisi etc. Nearly every other spec has some form of defensive that can entirely change the game if they are near death. It is nice that this video can cover a ton of different class CD's and such, but in depth its wrong.
Lots of BS. as someone who plays spriest, aflic/destro lock, ele shaman, I can say that spriest is hands down the easiest caster to play perfectly.
After that is Afliction, lots of room for errors with affliction.
Destro is hard, if you make one mistake, you'll get interupted/chain CCed to death.
Also you always gotta keep track of where you pet is
Ive been playing high rating wotlk pvp for over 10 years consistently now. this whole video is a mess. overall difficulty is a matter of opinion. alot of this stuff isnt even viable in the meta. thers so much to comment on i cant even fit it in this comment so im not even going to try to. So ill keep it short: For anyone watching this video and reading this comment, coming from a 2.5k player whos been playing wotlk consistently for over 10 years now, I would take the information in this video with a grain of salt.
The money back guarantee that they advertise for their guide is kind of a scam/false advertising. If you do something for 6 months, even if you're bad at it, you'll improve, so there's no way they're ever giving you your money back.
With destro lock you also play with fellhunter alot in arena cause of dispels.. + is hard cast not alot of instant cast
Shadow word death is a geat way to attempt to avoid a sheep/blind or to get your prayer of mending to jump to a different target, i found it to be quite useful so idk why you dismissed it
bm hunter is easy mode im taking classes way higher level then i am with beast wrath/kill command burst in bgs.i just press my burst macro throw in a few arcane/aimed shots and its gg the pet does the rest.
i will argue that ele shaman is the squishiest i seam to be getting insta nuked by every other class and cant do to much about it which i can survive on my bm hunter much longer and burst them down faster.
how destro lock can be easy ranged? Hardest pet management, only 1 ability for defensive and escape...
There is no arena EVER as a ele sham you will be able to free cast... Be prepared to be bait all day every day
step 1 get PvP Brutal gladiator gear
I am sorry but this list is out of space. Just some people doing meta. Tier list is done along time ago
i had 8 level 80 characters i pvp'd with in original wrath. as well as a high warlord sorcerer. in battlegrounds funnest is warrior paladin combo. or solo mage or warlock. in arena my favorite comp was rogue mage priest. that being said while some classes are harde/easier to play that doesnt mean it will be easy to climb the leaderboards. i agree mostly with ur rankings btw
this guy is so clueless about the game i really wonder if he even plays it