Learn From Fred Again & Skrillex and STOP Overproducing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- Overproducing can lead to many issues, and even the giant producers like Fred Again, Skrillex and Four Tet is really careful about avoiding it. Let's deep dive into the problem a bit.
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This is one of the biggest videos about music production... I´ve been into this for 7 years and beacause of my perfectionism I had only release 5 songs, that really killed my creativity. All this problems that you mention on this video are really importat to put on the table and try to solve it as an individual. During the last year on my private life I started to leave my perfectionism and I started to enjoy family, friends, work and ofcourse myself more and more. CHEERS FOR THIS VIDEO, FR. I love the quality an effort that you put on your videos... this will help a lot future producers :)
Thank you, really appreciate it! As long as people enjoy the videos and they add value to community; I am more than happy to put all my effort on them 😊
Yes, really it is!
What makes a song good is the vibe, and that’s the sound selection and home you create around the initial idea. The rest is a natural consequence.
100%
Im in the same spot.... I have like 20 unreleased songs that I edit from time to time but my perfectionism holds me back so hard that I lose the joy of making music ...
How did you overcome that perfectionism?? I NEED TO STOP
I put perfectionism away last year and challenged myself to put out tracks as many weeks as I can on a strict Saturday to Saturday schedule, the goal being 40 tracks (I allowed a week a month because I still have a day job, and family and house obligations). They didn't have to be good, or even finished, but if I start a track that week, it's going up on SoundCloud by 3 PM Saturday regardless. I didn't get the time to get obsessed with a track, and even if I didn't like the end result, it was okay because I can just start something new next week.
I made some of the best tracks I've ever made as a result of it. Not all of them, to be sure. But I've got 7 I'm happy enough with to spend doing those final "20%" improvements to make my first album ever this year. I'm 55 and have no illusions about having a paying career in music. It's the first time in my life I didn't just quit in frustration after spending months on tracks before just abandoning them.
Happy to hear that! When you release your album can you post the link in this comment section so I can check it out?!!
thank you for sharing, i'm going to attempt something similar soon
Props for your discipline with a family and job!!!
@@AahSol will do! While I despise self-promotion in other people's channels, it's not difficult to get to a preview from my TH-cam profile.
kinda agree to a point. I do like some perfection as well, it seems rough to be that artist that has 74 albums in one year. At that point you are trying to get people to shuffle through your work I feel.
I've learned overtime that possibly the most important thing you can do is remove stuff and simplify your track. I regularly remove notes from tracks and let the sounds really shine, sometimes complexity is needed, but most of time, making it simple is the best bet, human beings remember things that are simple yet tickle their fancy, they might be impressed by something super complex but they're not gonna be humming it.
I used to love IDM & complex breakcore stuff but over time it started to wear on me and I realised minimalism is really where its at for things that become "classic" in any genre not just electronic music.
IDM is often simpler than it seems. E.g. crazy chopped up break on one channel even though it might sound like a hundred things going on at once
So true about the song fatigue, I would even add the fun fact that's when you listen to a track you thought was boring and for whatever reason you stopped producing you find it was actually good and had potential, now I understand (sometimes) it's because of the song fatigue.
The absolute worst feeling is when you're really feeling a track and grooving to it , stank face n all and then all of a sudden you've fiddles with something not that important or noticeable for too long and start to get tired of the song.
@@wired-up5677 I feel you on that exactly. You feel like you’re doing some sick ass sh*t, you overproduce and that high dies down. Although for me if I take a week off from that project, I’ll often like I feel better about it
Thank you for this, Alice. I feel like more videos like this would benefit the community. Sound design and mixing tricks are cool and all, but in the end, you got to select only a few options and chill. This video is much appreciated!
Really happy to help. I will try to make more similar videos like this in the future.
Cool video! This such an important thing to stress and be aware of not doing. I think the main problem for new producers that causes them to OVERPRODUCE is they're new to sound selection their ears aren't tuned enough just yet to pick out the good sounds from the bad sounds, so what ends up happening they start layering many different sounds to achieve what they think they want to achieve! Instead of being able to pin point what sound or what they need to take out to make their track more polished. There for causing them to start to overproduce and spend more time on a track than they should. Really nice video Alice!!
Thank you and definitely what I see with new producers as well. Cheers!
Yup thats me
This is me.
This is indeed an incredibly good post, thank you so much.
I could write a novel evaluating every single passage, excellent, really! 💜🎶
Thank you so much for giving an explanation to this! I have 1 song on Spotify with 1,5 million plays, it is fairly simple, and ever since I've struggled to put out a song as accessible! I later realized that I started adding too many complex elements to my songs, I have songs now that has gone through 17 different versions and has taken half a year to finish (to my liking)
I've first learned recently to (Somewhat) know what makes a listenable dance track, that is to make an element in a song breath a bit more, and interrupt that by a new element (for instance a new chord progression) This is a symptom I have because I don't trust that I can keep a listeners attention for that long (which has something to do with low self-esteem as well) which is a problem that is briefly glossed over beautifully in this video! You've earned a new sub!
These are things I’ve realized after almost 12 years of doing music, powerful advice!! Everyone who is up & coming, apply this!!
This is a great video about it all how have I been missing this all my life! I love this!
I have been a hobbyist producer for years and this channel is one of the best I've ever discovered. You've got the rare mix of great educational content but also great tracks! Thank you!
I heard of the 80/20 rule before but this explains it really well in a production context.
Every analogy made complete sense to me! Thanks for this👍
Another great video Alice!
A lot of great insights on "being a producer" and not only what to "do" as a producer!
Thanks a lot for your amazing work!
Thank you!
Definitely! I think being a producer is closer to being a composer than being an engineer. 😊
Absolutely great video, I struggle with hating my songs, and completely deviating from what I started with that made me excited in the first place, I don't have to make it any more difficult than it has to be in the first place! Thanks for the video, there is actually a method to this creative madness :D
This was the video I've been waiting for.... I was keep asking myself to solve this problem. thank you so much alice!!!
this topic is a seriously underappreciated facet of all creative endeavours, be it filmmaking, music production, graphic design etc. time apart from the piece is one of the most important things you can do for the piece, the repetition of hearing or watching something in a vacuum can completely warp your reality of what music or a film etc should be like in the first place. what i suggest doing in all creative endeavours is to just throw ideas down as much as possible, then refine those ideas later on after some time apart.
Your second point is like a light switch. I tend to listen to the same loop over and over and probably make detrimental tweaks just so I hear something different. Great tip.
This hit right in the feels... In a good way! I was really needing this video, thank you ever so much for your work!!! ❤
That’s why I work parallel on songs. a distance of days from your own project will open a new perspective. Creative distance is important to me
At first, I thought I was about to watch another standard 'producer pro tips' video with interesting points but nothing which stands out.
In the end, it's a very passionating video with very interesting angles and perfect examples!
Thank you very much, I'm very glad to subscribe to your channel and make Sonic happy :)
Great point! I was overproducing stuff 6-7 years ago, making only a few tracks a year, etc. Then 2 years ago, I left my "perfectionism" aside, made a side alias, and released over 30 tracks to this date. I want to double that in the next 2 years, while also keeping up with the quality 💪
their no such things as perfection you have bought in to a deceptin
When you wrote that stuff down it really put things into perspective, thank you!
Song Fatigue is really a big thing I experience on regular basis. The Outcome of this: Hiding all my tracks on my Harddrive...
pt-br: depois de um certo tempo estudando música principalmente se vc não é apaixonado por teoria musical, vc começa a querer entender mais a fundo pequenos detalhes que existem na produção, esse video me trouxe a sensação maravilhosa de aprender
Splendid video Alice! The Pokémon analogy was perfect!
Thanks a lot Alice!! You are the best teacher and the best mentor! Keep going making incredible music and inspiring videos!
It is so important! My fear of failure made me a guy rarely releasing anything. It's not unusual to have years between releases. Exactly for what you described. It's starts with me enjoying my track, but then finding things that I thought problematic. Until I ended up thinking "no, it's trash".
One day, I shared a few of these unreleased tracks with another guy, that I only know via social media. He didn't know what I thought of them, and I expected a confirmation of their "badness". Instead he answered enthusiastically "o my god, how do you manage to make such clean mixes". And I still couldn't hear what he heard.
Under this name, sevenfifteen, I only posted a few Minecraft creator remixes. No longer than a day for each one, and in terrible quality (to my ears). Yet, I never heard anyone complain, despite their quality. Sometimes, it's better to just make it public, no matter what you think.
Legend... this is so on point all the best!!x bless up, you make a great teacher!!x I wish you success in all you do.
One of the best videos on mindset and production I've seen. Got em with the perfectionist call out too! 😂
great video. my main advice is: don't choke your song with layers. it's similar to movie editing. you really need to trim the fat and allow your song to breathe. keep the main stuff and play with it (automations, fills, etc.). if something sounds off to you then "that something" will also sound off to your listeners. I've heard a lot of banger songs that were poorly mixed but I still enjoy them and don't want them to be overproduced/remixed at all. they're all perfect as they are.
I wasn’t expecting this, it was something I needed to hear m, thanks. tThis insight into the deep state of mind, perfection has been a damper on my progress in a way, but learning new techniques and practicing naturally creates a quicker workflow.
The fact that you managed to bridge Pokemon into your analogy was pretty insightful
Once you lose that passionate enthusiasm for a track and it becomes about trying to find that missing key ingredient, all you're doing is making it worse. Great lesson and very true!
I find myself working on a track and being really happy with the progress. I then get excited to play it back the next day and continue working, only to hate it!!! This has happened so many times, but the funny thing is if I continue to listen a bit more then I get into the moment, and get over the perfectionist side of things and start enjoying it again. I have produced about 7 tracks in 3 years but I still haven't uploaded anything to Spotify yet, only Soundcloud due to feeling my music is not ready yet. Thanks for the video it helped clear up issues for me!
Very well explained and demonstrated. This video is really next level, diving deeper down into the psychology of making music which might also be a 20/80, but I need to philosophize some more before I can say for certain. Thanks!
I used to spend 100% of my time making tracks that were 0% good but after 2 years learning I spend 80% of my time making tracks that are 20% good
İçinde bulunduğum çıkmaz döngüyü çok güzel ifade etmişsin. Önerilerin için teşekkürler video ilaç gibi geldi : ) "Mükemmelliyetçilik en yüksek düzeyde kendi potansiyelini kötüye kullanmaktır"
Thank you for your time and effort with this video! Superb content. Bless
Just found your channel and watched 3 videos, I've been producing and watching videos for 6 months and I genuinely think this is the best content i've found :)
Really good advice. Instead of overproducing and investing a lot of time in a few songs it is better to release a lot of songs with continuous improvement of the workflow and production quality.
This is similar to other knowledge work like software development, where continuous iterations with small increments lead to the ultimate goal of good quality running software.
2k takipçiden beri buradayım, 2.5 yıldır ara verdim ama aradaki videoları izleyerek günümüze geleceğim, senin motivasyonun beni inspire lıyor, teşekkürler Alice.
Once again gaining a new perspective! Love the pareto principle and pokemon analogy! This is such a great video! Thank you so much! Sometimes I tend to stop and discard a song after I am 60% - 70% into it and i start to feel that the song sounds bad when initially I was grooving to it when I was working on it. Definitely something to do with song fatigue >< I should go back to those songs.
Yet another fantastic tutorial. The depth of your knowledge is only exceeded by the clarity of the presentation. Thanks!
Brilliant Video, I've sat working on a track for a few hours and honestly i hear you on song fatigue! Ive gone to the point where its actually ear fatigue too. My kick was so punchy and nice at that start and then by the end it began to sound really tinny but I couldn't understand why. I saved a new version and tried to fix the issue but I just couldn't make the kick knock again so I called it a day really deflated and hating my track i'd worked so hard on. Low and behold, the next day I came in with fresh ears and opened the original track up and the kick was absolutely fine!!
So much of this even applies to work and every day life, perfectionism is the thief of creativity and spontaneity. Great advice here Alice👌
i find it helps to take a couple weeks sometimes to not listen to a track, then come back. After a couple of weeks of not hearing it, it hits WAY different.
Wow this is one of your bests videos ever. Thank you
I love this video! I feel like I've been overproducing in search of making something unique, if that makes sense. This really helped! Thank you!!
this is a great video Alice. i was actually thinking about over producing very recently. I feel like if my song sounds like two songs are playing at once, then i over produced and i need to make the main idea more clear. that last example really shows that. before you muted a lot of tracks, it sounded like almost 3 different songs where playing at once.
Glad I stumbled across your channel. Life changing.
Blowing everyone out of the water with quality straight to the point videos with an expert touch.
You really know wtf you're talking about and not many channels balance the music knowledge and research with quality example projects.
You're killin it!!❤
This has really helped me, thank you Alice!
This video is absolutely golden. I found your channel early on in to my production journey and I am so happy that I did. You are inspirational. Thank you so much
I needed to hear this. Especially today after a long day of producing. Might delete a bunch of clips tomorrow lol thank you so much.
This is such an amazing video! No one ever addresses this, amazing.
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you spread a very positive aura.
Jesus christ, this is like ASMR for my tired brain. This video relaxed me a lot, and I'm thankful for it. Suscribed!
this is the channel ive been looking for! Thank you!!!!
omg this is my first time hearing about the Pareto principle and it's already been a vital part of my workflow for years :0
This is such a great video, in a sea of just straight up tutorials your video stands out as a beacon. And that parting note by Anne Wilson Schaef, that will stay with me for a while.
thank you so much Alice! following your journey here since years and this video was so inspiring and helpful again💐
As always cool vid, but if you could match the levels of the parts when you talk with the parts when the music plays then it would be great (for our ears). Cheers!
I really needed this. Thank you so much for this video.
Knowing your video doesn't imply only to music creating, is very helpful. Thank you
very informative video. nice work.
I used to overproduce my tracks a lot and made it sound more worse than before.
SIMPLE IS THE KEY.
in terms of overproducing and song fatigue i work on 5-10 tracks at a time, i work in succession, 15-30 minutes per track, with a timer alarm on each project then switch to the next, i keep going like this until i finish my songs. i do this to avoid song fatigue and keep my ears fresh. it really helps because this way i literally foget how each song sounds or only remember vagueuly for most of the production time, i only memorizie my songs by the time i am in the last 10% of my beats, that is final mixing and polishing.
This is gold :). Actually, learning to release a song when it is "good enough" was the hardest part for me. I always remember a simple mantra - BETTER DONE THAN PERFECT.
I would appreciate more videos like this, recently I stopped watching tutorials so more videos like this would be good. I like hearing about peoples approach to music
Awesome! Thanks for sharing
I made some of my best remixes when I was homeless in a public library. I had my m1 Mac and just took like 10 min breaks in between of testing song parts. I had complete remixes done in like 1 day to a week. And i was smoking weed between sessions
That really cool ‘electric guitar’ sound track is really beautiful!
Your vids are so good! Been producing for 11 years still learning a ton of stuff from you. Thank you!
Aprecio mucho tu contenido, todo ha cambiado mucho y se siente muy orgánico. Tu nuevo aspecto, las explicaciones y el formato :)))
great video alice. not only did you give us great music production tips but you also passed an awesome message!
Thank you so much for this video. ❤️
Love your videos, feel lucky to have come across your channel!
omg this video helped me so out of my problems. thank you so much and much love. keep going !
Never saw someone talking about Maths and music production before! Thanks… I wasn’t wrong when I said I listen to my songs more than a thousand times before they go out🤧
I really enjoyed this. It's a human and psychological-approach to music production, which we all need but it can rarely be found anywhere. You normally just hear "don't overproduce" and that's it, but these were great explanations and examples! Felt a bit too identified haha. Keep up the good work!
You nailed this on the head Alice, great video yet again 👏
Thanks for the help we need more of this topics , That was a really good video .
it's kind of funny to hear that i knew since the beggining of my producer career that i don't wanted to spend too much time on mixing mastering whatever ... just being super super efficient by that i mean what's work for you !? what do you need to make the sound you want and what to do to keep your mix clear ? Keep a small amount of instrument , sample , work them over and over the time , you will be able to discover many side of them and start to get super creative and fast ;)
I am simply in love with you and the knowledge and the insights you share with us. Thank you. I am gratefull.
8:14 ohhh thats a cool idea. Thats that Major 3rd thing going on that NIN and Deadmau5 uses. Very nice.
It's funny that I was thinking about a lot of the points you made in this video and it was inspired by rumble and its simplicity. Thanks for putting into words for me what I was trying to understand.
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Yet another amazing video. Thanks, your videos are the ones where you grab a pen (or open notepad hehe) and take notes! What I really took away from it is the overcrowding part. Next project I'm working on, I'm planning ahead on what synthesizers to use, and I physically remove everything else from the setup, so I won't even get the idea to use all those "great ideas" together in one piece.
What a great content ...the more I see ur videos, the more I love producing 😌😌🎶
Great video! I've definitely been guilty of adding more to my tracks and making it less clear. More is less.
Love your videos 🙏 There's just so much value in every one of them.
GREAT Video Alice!! full of knowledge 👍 👍 Definitively use Paretto´s Principle, focus on the 20% that brings you the 80%... and more than that, make it 85-15.
You’re amazing!! Keep posting such helpful content ❤️❤️
You’re a goddess! This is very helpful to me. I wrote down most things that you’ve said so I won’t forget them! Thank you lady! I’ll definitely hang around on your channel!
Btw, all though from deep down I already knew, but you reminded me that making music is a mostly psychological journey. So that means that your tips will not only help the creative process, but also lots of other aspects in life. 😊👍
Great video! Thank you very much🙌
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Great video Alice, this will be great for some of the young producers just starting out!
Being a perfectionist is like torturing yourself everyday. But yeah, not so easy to overcome :)
Very clever content!! 👌👌Greetings from Spain!🎉
One of the best videos ive seen, super relatable!