I was an apprentice engine fitter in Chatham dockyard during the 1960s and worked on the building of this boat and also the engine trials alongside. Great to see she still exists.
@@lindalakota38 These were apparently one of the quietest submarines of the cold war. Excellent, well constructed boats. My fav fact about these boats is that the rear torpedoes were essentially useless (could only carry a specific torpedo that wasn't very good, but the front tubes had the excellent MK 48) so on the Canadian boats they used to carry beer and pop cans in those tubes till the SOAP refit removed the tubes and replaced them with storage for such things.
We have one in Karachi, Pakistan. Her name is PNS Hingor resting at Maritime Museum Karachi. Hingor destroyed Indian naval ship Kukri in the war of 1971.
THANK YOU - I was on this actual ship when it was in Groton CT. in late 80s. Coming from a US nuclear sub. this boat and crew were fantastic. Had a great time, even bought a T-shirt. It's a silkscreen of the boat with oars coming out the sides. Have to love any active submarine with beer in the torpedo tubes
@dirkbonesteel, how to annoy a diesel submariner? Call their boat a "ship!"..... Ships are targets unless you have planes on your sail (fin) P&O Boats were definitely Boats! DBF!
@@cnilecnile6748 I doubt it, most will probably think of the democrats sending America to fight a war they could have one in weeks with enough submarines and never lost a soldier, if they had bothered to test their torpedoes. They may well have lost a submarine or two, unless they sent a fleet of them, apparently the Japanese navy had no good defence against subs.
I love how all the "huge moves" episodes feature what apparently is a full choir singing, about the mundane minutia of everyday life for the people involved in the moves, over extravagant orchestral music.
@Samson Holdsworth I saw a couple of these but they didn't have the musical pieces and it didn't find it that bad, then they started adding the music and I just can't watch anymore
You and a lot other kids got no respect for this old lady .......It's the total of her journey ' The glue of the whole.. War and efforts is a big no no in my eye's, you gain nothing at the end. Just scrap metal....that's the story and if you can't see this .....mmm well let me stop here,.........
I waited until I heard the word 'disaster' for the first time. It took all of 16 minutes. It was a snapped cable, not a 'disaster', for crying out loud. I have watched 3 presentations from this series, no more, way too much drama applied to none events. I can see why this show flopped.
Amazing achievement. The skills and work that went into this project is very impressive. How cool it must be for the town to have the only submarine museum in Canada AND an actual sub. I hope they gather stories and experiences from their submariners to share with their visitors.
@@flightographist I'm not aware of that one, will have to check it out. The people that accomplished the task of moving this sub is still impressive to me. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry could accomplish such a task.
@@namegoeshereorhere5020 I just google earthed Rimouski, the sub is one feature of the Maritime Museum Site historique maritime de la Pointe-au-Pere; in other words it isn't a submarine museum. There are of course dozens and dozens of Maritime Museums in Canada. So, technically Rimouski is a Maritime Museum with a sub, Port Burwell Has a Museum of Naval History that consists of a sub.
Living here in Connecticut USA and having a sub base and a sub maker here I admire the lives of those men and women who served and have served. Thank You
It amazes me that we have young people that strive for technological change in our world whilst we have older folks that strive to preserve history. How wonderful it is that as we age our focus changes but we still want to preserve parts of our own past for others. What a fantastic vision was seen by this group and what skill and dogged determination they showed to see this project to a partial conclusion, the retoration will be another story. I can only take my hat off to these guys and simply say thankyou for caring so much. An excellent effort for sure
Ignore the critical comments. It was a great video and very emotional for me. I spent 32 years in the British RN and for my sins I was a Warrant Officer (SM) IOC a special teams that trained foreign Navies. I trained the lads on the Okanagon, Onondaga and on a Brit S/M called Grampus where many of them also trained. I was there at their build, their birth (launch) commissioning and much of their work-up. I am so pleased that they this grand old boat has such a great final resting place. You did something that you should be very proud of. Your achievement, your tenacity and perseverance was tremendous. Who knows, although I am now nearly 80, I may make it back to Canada to see the old girl, assuming that you would give me an invite. Ex WORS(SM), BEM Qcm
Thank you for your service imagine if they had had the sense to invite you to oversee the project. But someone asked them if they could engineer a few snafus so they could have an excuse for some really soviet era comedy drunkard antic mishaps. Either that or the removal men were Canada's equivalent of the CIA.
Thanks for posting this up Spark, always interesting to see big moves. A submarine museum would be a fitting tribute to these unique kind of craft. Therefore It's quite right that we should keep some of these war machines for future generations to see, touch and study. They helped us to win a war and seems a waste not to keep one or three of them. My grandpa, Commander RMG Gambier was a submariner and was in Northern Ireland for the surrender of the Nazi U-Boat fleet in 1945. He was also the skipper of the Royal Navy's last coal fired submarine depot ship, HMS Alecto, built in 1911 she weighed 935 tons was 212 feet long x 32 feet beam, top speed of 14 knots and a crew of 76. While on passage to the Clyde in 1942 to be fitted with a gun the Alecto was attacked by a Junkers bomber (JU88) which circled and dived low dropping 2 'eggs', one of which took out the ships wireless aerial but no other damage. The captain engaged the dive bomber with his 12-bore shotgun - it being the only weapon on board. His efforts being a bit futile, were much appreciated by the sailors who cheered his attempts to hit the bomber as he dodged backwards and forwards from one wing of the bridge to the other.
The Onondaga was the first but not the last. The HMCS Ojibwa made an even longer journey to Port Burwell on Lake Erie. After getting her on shore they cut doors into the fore and aft torpedo rooms for people to access the sub.
The one nearest to my home in the US is in a river. You have to be able to climd in through the aft torpedo room hatch and out through the escape hatch in the forward torpedo room. But it is a World War II Balo class sub.
Many decades ago I served on HMCS Rainbow in the early 70s.We had a converted pop machine for our beer.15 cents/can.They cut it in half to fit down the fwd torpedo room hatch and rivited it back together below. All duty free cigs and booze. Canada Club 40 oz for just over $2 , cigs 10 cents/pack. The "good ole days" Best thing I ever did was volunteer for sub service.
Well I went last summer mid covid and we had lunch at Izzy's Schooners. Planning on going back this summer and bringing a couple families with me. The grandkids will go nuts over it.
The Ojibwa was built in Chatham Dockyard UK and launched circa 1961 ish, and was sold to the RCN whilst being fitted out in number 2 dock, as a second year apprentice I worked on her during the winter of '62, she was big, but the men who lived aboard were a special breed.
@@SparkDocs I loved it! Those who didn't can go ...er elsewhere! Pulling and Heaving Ballads are a thing of legend. or as Simon Whistler would say, "Legendary!"
All this fabricated drama is really insulting. It would really be nice if the producers would just make a quality documentary without treating viewers with such contemp to think we will lose interest if we are presented with a factual account of the operation.
Right on. It seems the 'reality show' plague has left the USA and infected everyone else. Problem is, it's all fake and scripted for maximum "drama"....
yes, exactly on the point and another thing, this way of building a documentary is so old but they dont stop using it, even though everyone sees through it since decades back in time, its like if they would use laurel and hardy in comedy movies today and expect people to still be entertained like if it was a new and exciting thing
that's American style documentary production for you. Still, an interesting report of a large and complex operation. Kudos to the people executing it, not something you get to do every day even in the special transport business.
@@jwenting yes, they deserve credit, the workers, they did ah - somewhat - fantastic job, (except the tip over accident - that was not te best job ever done)...the so the workers yes, they deserve our - almost highest - admiration
@@Hjerte_Verke I agree, this bullshit suspense building crap media types are absolute trash. They spend all their efforts on shitty sound effects, and swooshy shitty scene cuts. Instead of actually showing the important "DOCUMENTARY" aspects of the whole ordeal. These idiots cant even properly show a submarine being loaded onto land in nearly an hr long video. Yet the proper World War II in Colour documentary can present the entire history of WW2 in great engaging detail in 13 1hr long videos.
What a joke "The Rimouski" with a Quebec Hydro sticker on it represents the continued destruction of the Canadian Forces and the Navy especially through Political interference and the military being used as a graft & corruption machine by Quebec politicians. The video is a good metaphor for Canada in the merciless grip of the French. Destruction personified. Anglo genius turned into scrap by Bill 101!!
The entire money pit could have been avoided by the Canadian Federal Government not purchasing the scrap metal in the beginning , see them for years sitting on the Dartmouth side of the Halifax Harbor .
@@johnknoefler Well I must say they have done a great job with the money they had but too amateurish They should have used laser beams for alignment they are quite cheap!!! There is a saying if you pay peanuts you get monkeys:-))
@@johnhili8664 true. Shortcuts always lead to more problems. I was on a job where the foreman refused to spend the money for a Home Depot laser level. Alignment was a full foot off. I could have done better just sighting it in but alas, no one listened.
@@johnknoefler Nowadays laser levels are very cheap cost a much as a bar of chocolate with a couple of them they could see them through the fog with no problems as it was they were just shooting in the dark!!!!!
I am impressed with the engineering that took to design the hauling of such large object. It looked impossible. But I learned that it was an achievement.
Wishing you all the best from UK - we had an Oberon class ex Falklands War on the old dock at Birkenhead Liverpool for a few years in the 90's but unfortunately redevelopment - I remember you had to prove you could get though a little bulkhead door frame on deck before you were allowed into the craft to avoid possible grief in the confines : )
It's been stripped and Not maintained for decades.. What would you expect? Look at the ex US super carriers rotting in docks, used to be super tanks on water but are now rusting fragile floating metal.
What history, these where British submarines used for about 30 years by the British and placed in mothballs for 15 just in case they needed them. Due to be scrapped the ridiculous Canadian goverment and military bought them sight unseen, it was a Canadian idea. I think only one was ever put into service or at least it worked. Last time saw anything to do with them they were saying it was becoming difficult to find parts. As a Canadian my tax payer money gone to buy junk. The rest of the Canadian armoury be it fighter planes, helicopters etc, is falling apart. Very soon they will not be able to take part in any situation that involves NATO or allies.
The oboat hulls are so strong they can dive down almost 200 meters... The oboat will have to be transported over 1000 kilometres to Rimouski, it's a tough journey for such a massive fragile vessel.
What is really interesting about that 200 metre depth, Nyutco makes 1 and 2 person work subs / dive suits that can go 1000 metres deep without pressurization. Yes, 1 kilometre deep at sea level air pressure.
3:45 "This is going to be the only submarine museum in Canada" There happens to be an Oberon class submarine museum in Port Burwell Ontario featuring the HMCS OJIBWA and its been there for quite some time before this.
Actually things started when the Elgin Military Museum in St. Thomas Ontario contacted the Department of National Defence inquiring about getting a surplus tank. There wasn't on available and ended up getting the submarine
I toured her in Puerto Rico around 1990 while she docked next to us (USN-SSBN 645). Still have a ships t-shirt I traded for a ship's ball cap. The shirt says "Submarines... Not Royal Marines" on the back. Unbelievably cramped compared to our boat.
That’s one thing I could never be and have massive respect for is submariners. I served in the British Army and always had a fascination with Submarines, although I was in the Army I couldn’t serve on one. Certainly takes a special person to operate on them.
@@matty6848 I served in the Navy but also had the opportunity to work on a tour submarine in the Cayman Islands (very British) for several years. I always got a kick out of the concept of windows in submarines. Coolest job ever for a bubblehead.
@@scrawface lucky you the Navy is definitely the best for seeing the world, although I had my fair share of travel when I was in the Mercian Regiment. Also the Navy is much better for when you come out onto civvy street as your more inclined to learn good technical trades in the Navy. However I can’t complain I did 7 years in all in the Army and if I could have my time again i wouldn’t change a thing.
Rimouski folks worked hard with what tools they had to drag the submarine on land .good video .i ve been through Rimouski in my younger days.perhaps will take a short cut through Rimouski in my older days hopefully before the year is over.
The more you watch the more you see it is "a possible disaster of their own making". That is the makers of the video. Overplayed by a factor of 10. From a retired O Boat Sailor.
someone said.."hey lets write songs for the video!!!" ...someone else said "hell ya...that would be great!!!!!!!" ....."Ill even hire an orchestra and get some dramatic music.!!!!" ...."wow ...your my hero!!!....this will be the greatest video ever made!!!!!"
First documentary I've seen with an Oompa loompa chorus! That music was major cringe! Still it's impressive the way they crammed a 15 minute doc into 45 minutes.
Dead ship moves are fun. Had to thread a needle that was less then 16” with a 60’ wide vessel. Dredging barges spudded in place and excavators on them cabled to the side of the vessel. Excavators literally walked it through the needle.
So well done to all involved but I was somewhat surprised that the tow ropes were so frail, luckily the first one snapped early other than when in a heavy sea possibly later! Apart from that a great achievement, and hopefully a superb museum.
On the other hand, either someone fell down on the job with a woefully under par towline, or the director stepped in and said "That's where we insert our first overdramatic attention getter".
@@scandi6686 Money is not the problem here. Poor planning. No oversight. No foresight. Zero engineers involved on the project. All of them half assed old men trying everything.
When my father was a student at the Illinois Institute of Technology, he cut classes to watch the captured Nazi sub U505 moved from Lake Michigan to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. He said they simply rolled it on large round timbers, which were cycled from back to front as she went, although I'm sure there was a lot more to keeping her upright. When I was in my early teens, he took me to see it. It was still outside then, with access to the hull from inside the museum. At that time, we were still allowed to tour a good portion of the inside from (nearly) one end to the other. A great deal has been done to preserve and restore it since that time.
This is one of the best videos that I have ever watched,would like to see the next complete video where it's standing now and being displayed for visitors
Ballast tanks 1, 2, 4, 6 and 7 are free flood and will drain without help. 3 and 5 have kingston valves at the bottom which have to be opened by hand in order to drain them. When in use, these two ballast tanks were also used as fuel tanks, hence the kingston valves. The torpedo operating tanks (TOT's), M port, M starboard, Q tank, R tank O port and starboard would most likely have been flooded but would have taken a while to pump out.
@@byteme11 At the beginning of the video they spent a lot of time flooding ballast tank to get the submarine trimmed for towing. The point I was making is when pulling the submarine out of the water up on to dry land not emptying those tanks would mean a lot more weight to pull.
@@johnmcmickle5685 I would suppose that they would want to keep the sub in perfect trim until it was completely supported on the rails. Without any power, it would not be possible to pump out any of the internal tanks until the boat was stablised and power could be connected to the boat to get the pumps running again. This was not made clear in the video but knowing what I know about Oberon submarines, this would most likely make the most sense but I wasn't there either.
They did this with (I think Ojibwa?) 10 years ago, took it up the Great Lakes and put it on land in Port Burwell. It's true they were great submarines, but metal fatigue made it impossible to give them a refit. Glad they saved them for tourism. I met some of the 70s captains of those ships back in the day, when my dad was in charge of maintenance for the Atlantic fleet. Slap a nice coat of paint on her, Onondaga was a good ship.
I admit that bu everything the naysayers was spot on too. It could all be corrected with replacement audio. I'd watch it again if they showed the previous scriptwriter being kicked in the goolies.
Just a thought but could they have used inflatables to help raise it. Maybe weld rails together and push them into water. We did a boat ramp that way 25 years ago.
These shows make it look like these people are lucky to just do their job. Kinda like every show on discovery. Make it about what they are doing and how they do it and quit making it about one wrong move.
I can attest to the pulling power of a double frame winch truck. I had a 2014 Peterbilt 367 double frame winch truck and it had a maximum pulling power of 100,000 lbs. The most I ever pulled with it was around 44,000 lbs in one shot and it didn't even struggle.
At 0:08: Not one minute into this video, and this error appears: "... weighing one and one-half thousand [sic] tons". According to Wikipedia, the weight is "Surfaced: 2,030 t (2,000 long tons); submerged: 2,410 t (2,370 long tons)." And at 2:18: The sub was propelled by battery-powered engines only while submerged while on the surface diesel-electric propulsion was used.
Ther is one of these "O" class in Sydney Harbour at the Darling harbour .It is preserved and afloat. There is also one In Fremantle Australia preserved on the land.
@@cordelolsen3950 It is right in the heart of Sydney harbour at the Australian National Matitime Museum, Name of sub is HMAS Onslow. Just walk across the Pyrmont bridge to the east side of the harbour which is south east of Sydney harbour Bridge - about a Mile walk from Sydney Harbour Bridge .
I have always remembered when I was about 13 or 14 I spent a few days with the Royal Navy. For me, the highlight of the trip was going on board a decommissioned submarine.
Those cradles looked ill thought out. when we were making cradles they were wide for the rails because boats even submarines can be top heavy add high winds and ballast water still the tanks things go pear shaped very quick. Interesting lucky she didnt fall over on her conning tower .
What an amazing undertaking. Despite the delays natural obstacles and human eagerness she finally made it home. She's s s reminder that the human mind can be ingenious but also cruel.
I live near to Chatham Dockyard where these Subs were built. I grew up with many people whose fathers worked in the Dockyard and would have worked on them Onondagas sister sub Ocelot, is displayed at the Historic Dockyard, Chatham..
If they cost billions you can still have them but you can only scrap them once. They only need to put the rent up for Quebecois quarantine and it will all soon be paid for.
The pressure hull is strong, but its "encased" in ballast tanks. If they puncture one of those, and enough water gets in it would be like something trying to hold a 200 lb barbell overhead while the weights on ONE side suddenly fell off. Except harder because you're on a rolling ocean .
I was an apprentice engine fitter in Chatham dockyard during the 1960s and worked on the building of this boat and also the engine trials alongside. Great to see she still exists.
That is awesome i never heard of these sub maybe that was the point to be stealth
@@lindalakota38 These were apparently one of the quietest submarines of the cold war. Excellent, well constructed boats. My fav fact about these boats is that the rear torpedoes were essentially useless (could only carry a specific torpedo that wasn't very good, but the front tubes had the excellent MK 48) so on the Canadian boats they used to carry beer and pop cans in those tubes till the SOAP refit removed the tubes and replaced them with storage for such things.
It's now anchored in my home town! Went in it a couple of times. Every time, the smell of old and closed space hits me.
We have one in Karachi, Pakistan. Her name is PNS Hingor resting at Maritime Museum Karachi. Hingor destroyed Indian naval ship Kukri in the war of 1971.
@@farrukhismail damn you guys got subs? philippines has none
Imagine living on the bitch with a heap of blokes that also are not showering 😂
@@Smithskii Nice nice! Je ne savais même pas qu'un bon documentaire avait été fait sur le Onondaga.
She was built in my hometown, chatham in kent👍👍
THANK YOU - I was on this actual ship when it was in Groton CT. in late 80s. Coming from a US nuclear sub. this boat and crew were fantastic. Had a great time, even bought a T-shirt. It's a silkscreen of the boat with oars coming out the sides. Have to love any active submarine with beer in the torpedo tubes
@dirkbonesteel, how to annoy a diesel submariner? Call their boat a "ship!"..... Ships are targets unless you have planes on your sail (fin) P&O Boats were definitely Boats! DBF!
Thank you for your service and how cool to see it preserved like this!
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Whoever wrote the music and orchestration must have spent a lot of time in Vladivostok with the Russian navy.
it was very nice, i like
Sure sounds that way with Ivan sound.
And the TeleTubbies for the lyrics. Admittedly 40 decades better than Bill and Ben.
Thanks to Hunt for the Red October, the Soviet Navy will always be the first thing most people think of when they hear the word "submarine"
@@cnilecnile6748 I doubt it, most will probably think of the democrats sending America to fight a war they could have one in weeks with enough submarines and never lost a soldier, if they had bothered to test their torpedoes.
They may well have lost a submarine or two, unless they sent a fleet of them, apparently the Japanese navy had no good defence against subs.
I love how all the "huge moves" episodes feature what apparently is a full choir singing, about the mundane minutia of everyday life for the people involved in the moves, over extravagant orchestral music.
I find it incredibly cringey lmao
They actually hear that in their heads
@Samson Holdsworth I saw a couple of these but they didn't have the musical pieces and it didn't find it that bad, then they started adding the music and I just can't watch anymore
Electric Sub: "Full steam ahead!"
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44:26 I would have cracked up so bad if smashing the bottle against the hull knocked it on its side again!
This documentary would have been scrapped at that very point then lol
Or just knocked a hole in the side of the sub after all it had been through :)
You (and I) have watched far too many road runner cartoons.
At least I'm not the only one who thought that.
As soon as I hear this mans voice I know this video will be over dramatised to the point of the ridiculous
You and a lot other kids got no respect for this old lady .......It's the total of her journey ' The glue of the whole..
War and efforts is a big no no in my eye's, you gain nothing at the end. Just scrap metal....that's the story and if you can't see this .....mmm well let me stop here,.........
All the drama makes these amazingly interesting activities unwatchable.
I was about to say something similar, but you nailed it. Absolutely agree. As if the subject matter isn't interesting enough without all the bs.
Drama with no drama.
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Amen to that. I very nearly gave up I got so sick of the corny production values.
I waited until I heard the word 'disaster' for the first time. It took all of 16 minutes. It was a snapped cable, not a 'disaster', for crying out loud. I have watched 3 presentations from this series, no more, way too much drama applied to none events. I can see why this show flopped.
You had a lot more sense than me but I had the pleasure of putting the boot in.
Sounds like the Discovery Channel with Gold Rush animations.
I watch this video without any sound. The work is interesting. Worst style voice acting.
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Hi.
Any chance of getting some Ruski videos that you have translated?
@@michaelmcneil4168 Sorry, i am an engineer, not a translator jr video maker.
Amazing achievement. The skills and work that went into this project is very impressive. How cool it must be for the town to have the only submarine museum in Canada AND an actual sub. I hope they gather stories and experiences from their submariners to share with their visitors.
It's not though. Sister sub HMCS Ojibwa is located in Port Burwell, Ontario on Lake Erie ( a great lake); it's journey was even more impressive.
@@flightographist I'm not aware of that one, will have to check it out. The people that accomplished the task of moving this sub is still impressive to me. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry could accomplish such a task.
@@olliefoxx7165 Herculean task for sure.
@@flightographist Is there a submarine museum there too? That's what he said was the only one of.
@@namegoeshereorhere5020 I just google earthed Rimouski, the sub is one feature of the Maritime Museum Site historique maritime de la Pointe-au-Pere; in other words it isn't a submarine museum. There are of course dozens and dozens of Maritime Museums in Canada. So, technically Rimouski is a Maritime Museum with a sub, Port Burwell Has a Museum of Naval History that consists of a sub.
Very interesting project but I wish the percussion section had been dropped overboard.
RIGHT? They trying to make it sound like they're gonna fight Space Nazis with this sub.
Sounded like it was written by a 12 year old with writers block.. Orchestrated great and performed phenomenally but damn it.. Those lyrics 😂
The Discovery Channel destroyed this video genre
@@DuvalDashCams it's got that "Canadian" flavour. Too saccarine
Funny! I had to drop out in the first 5 minutes.....drama queen comes to mind
Living here in Connecticut USA and having a sub base and a sub maker here I admire the lives of those men and women who served and have served. Thank You
As your surname is Rodgers, do you hold allegiance to your British ancestral home (UK), or the US, a mere version of the UK in North America.
@@fmd-International my heritage is French Canadian, Western European ,Scottish and Irish. I served my country America and proud of her !!
the Heave Ho song over-shadowed the whole thing,
OOmpa OOmpa doopidy do,I have a sub marine for you.
One of these Oberon-class subs, HMS Ocelot, is preserved and open to the public at Chatham Historic Dockyard, Kent, UK. Definitely worth a visit.
I went there a few days ago it was pretty neat
It amazes me that we have young people that strive for technological change in our world whilst we have older folks that strive to preserve history. How wonderful it is that as we age our focus changes but we still want to preserve parts of our own past for others. What a fantastic vision was seen by this group and what skill and dogged determination they showed to see this project to a partial conclusion, the retoration will be another story. I can only take my hat off to these guys and simply say thankyou for caring so much. An excellent effort for sure
Okay, boomer
The cold war? History best forgotten. A touchstone of suspicion and wasted resources. So sad.
Ignore the critical comments. It was a great video and very emotional for me. I spent 32 years in the British RN and for my sins I was a Warrant Officer (SM) IOC a special teams that trained foreign Navies. I trained the lads on the Okanagon, Onondaga and on a Brit S/M called Grampus where many of them also trained. I was there at their build, their birth (launch) commissioning and much of their work-up. I am so pleased that they this grand old boat has such a great final resting place. You did something that you should be very proud of. Your achievement, your tenacity and perseverance was tremendous. Who knows, although I am now nearly 80, I may make it back to Canada to see the old girl, assuming that you would give me an invite. Ex WORS(SM), BEM Qcm
Thank you for your service imagine if they had had the sense to invite you to oversee the project. But someone asked them if they could engineer a few snafus so they could have an excuse for some really soviet era comedy drunkard antic mishaps.
Either that or the removal men were Canada's equivalent of the CIA.
Thanks for posting this up Spark, always interesting to see big moves.
A submarine museum would be a fitting tribute to these unique kind of craft. Therefore It's quite right that we should keep some of these war machines for future generations to see, touch and study.
They helped us to win a war and seems a waste not to keep one or three of them.
My grandpa, Commander RMG Gambier was a submariner and was in Northern Ireland for the surrender of the Nazi U-Boat fleet in 1945.
He was also the skipper of the Royal Navy's last coal fired submarine depot ship, HMS Alecto, built in 1911 she weighed 935 tons was 212 feet long x 32 feet beam, top speed of 14 knots and a crew of 76.
While on passage to the Clyde in 1942 to be fitted with a gun the Alecto was attacked by a Junkers bomber (JU88) which circled and dived low dropping 2 'eggs', one of which took out the ships wireless aerial but no other damage. The captain engaged the dive bomber with his 12-bore shotgun - it being the only weapon on board. His efforts being a bit futile, were much appreciated by the sailors who cheered his attempts to hit the bomber as he dodged backwards and forwards from one wing of the bridge to the other.
Now THAT was a power ballad.
MONSTER MOVES: HEAVE HO -- Music by Daniel Pemberton YT: DANPEMB
@@TerryLawrence001 hey, thanks!
It reminds me of the Red Army Choir or Soviet March from Red Alert 3. Funny kind of, considering this thing was on the imperialist side.
How wonderful to watch a REAL Canadian story for a change! And very well done.
Thank you.
The TV show Monster Moves has a lot of episodes that are pure Canadian stories.
The Onondaga was the first but not the last. The HMCS Ojibwa made an even longer journey to Port Burwell on Lake Erie. After getting her on shore they cut doors into the fore and aft torpedo rooms for people to access the sub.
The one nearest to my home in the US is in a river. You have to be able to climd in through the aft torpedo room hatch and out through the escape hatch in the forward torpedo room. But it is a World War II Balo class sub.
Many decades ago I served on HMCS Rainbow in the early 70s.We had a converted pop machine for our beer.15 cents/can.They cut it in half to fit down the fwd torpedo room hatch and rivited it back together below. All duty free cigs and booze. Canada Club 40 oz for just over $2 , cigs 10 cents/pack. The "good ole days" Best thing I ever did was volunteer for sub service.
@@paulreid7370 If it is not advertised no one will show up.
Well I went last summer mid covid and we had lunch at Izzy's Schooners. Planning on going back this summer and bringing a couple families with me. The grandkids will go nuts over it.
The Ojibwa was built in Chatham Dockyard UK and launched circa 1961 ish, and was sold to the RCN whilst being fitted out in number 2 dock, as a second year apprentice I worked on her during the winter of '62, she was big, but the men who lived aboard were a special breed.
A musical documentary? That's a first.
😆 Did you enjoy it?
@Paulymade
Bordering on intolerable - unnecessary muzak is a pet hate - I've no idea why producers insist on adding music to factual programmes.
@@SparkDocs I loved it. As a former Navy submariner I thought it was fun.
@@SparkDocs The Russian music was fantastic
@@SparkDocs I loved it! Those who didn't can go ...er elsewhere! Pulling and Heaving Ballads are a thing of legend. or as Simon Whistler would say, "Legendary!"
All this fabricated drama is really insulting. It would really be nice if the producers would just make a quality documentary without treating viewers with such contemp to think we will lose interest if we are presented with a factual account of the operation.
Right on. It seems the 'reality show' plague has left the USA and infected everyone else. Problem is, it's all fake and scripted for maximum "drama"....
yes, exactly on the point
and another thing, this way of building a documentary is so old but they dont stop using it, even though everyone sees through it since decades back in time,
its like if they would use laurel and hardy in comedy movies today and expect people to still be entertained like if it was a new and exciting thing
that's American style documentary production for you.
Still, an interesting report of a large and complex operation.
Kudos to the people executing it, not something you get to do every day even in the special transport business.
@@jwenting yes, they deserve credit, the workers, they did ah - somewhat - fantastic job, (except the tip over accident - that was not te best job ever done)...the so the workers yes, they deserve our - almost highest - admiration
@@Hjerte_Verke I agree, this bullshit suspense building crap media types are absolute trash. They spend all their efforts on shitty sound effects, and swooshy shitty scene cuts. Instead of actually showing the important "DOCUMENTARY" aspects of the whole ordeal. These idiots cant even properly show a submarine being loaded onto land in nearly an hr long video. Yet the proper World War II in Colour documentary can present the entire history of WW2 in great engaging detail in 13 1hr long videos.
Was this directed and produced by Aron spelling? Over the top drama, too bad. And that soundtrack ...Doh.
What a joke "The Rimouski" with a Quebec Hydro sticker on it represents the continued destruction of the Canadian Forces and the Navy especially through Political interference and the military being used as a graft & corruption machine by Quebec politicians. The video is a good metaphor for Canada in the merciless grip of the French. Destruction personified. Anglo genius turned into scrap by Bill 101!!
It is an repost as well
The Umpah Lumpah choir was a waste of money!
16:35 - a true Union man, once the clock stops, I stop....
The whole situation could have been advoided by placing some marker poles on the cradles 🤔
The entire money pit could have been avoided by the Canadian Federal Government not purchasing the scrap metal in the beginning , see them for years sitting on the Dartmouth side of the Halifax Harbor .
Totally. Very poor planning and execution. It's not enough to have a great idea, you must also have clearly thought out plans and execute them.
@@johnknoefler Well I must say they have done a great job with the money they had but too amateurish They should have used laser beams for alignment they are quite cheap!!! There is a saying if you pay peanuts you get monkeys:-))
@@johnhili8664 true. Shortcuts always lead to more problems. I was on a job where the foreman refused to spend the money for a Home Depot laser level. Alignment was a full foot off. I could have done better just sighting it in but alas, no one listened.
@@johnknoefler Nowadays laser levels are very cheap cost a much as a bar of chocolate with a couple of them they could see them through the fog with no problems as it was they were just shooting in the dark!!!!!
I am impressed with the engineering that took to design the hauling of such large object. It looked impossible. But I learned that it was an achievement.
I visited this sub in Rimouski nearly a decade ago. A must see👌
Wishing you all the best from UK - we had an Oberon class ex Falklands War on the old dock at Birkenhead Liverpool for a few years in the 90's but unfortunately redevelopment - I remember you had to prove you could get though a little bulkhead door frame on deck before you were allowed into the craft to avoid possible grief in the confines : )
Fantastic. A labor of love.
They almost got me tearing twice. I felt really emotional like I am part of the project. Great stuff
I love how they talk about how tough the boat is then worry how to transport it because its so fragile. LOL
It's been stripped and Not maintained for decades.. What would you expect? Look at the ex US super carriers rotting in docks, used to be super tanks on water but are now rusting fragile floating metal.
All these docs have a song to them, am I the only one who actually likes them? I think the songs are great!
Congratulations O' Canada on preserving your history.
What history, these where British submarines used for about 30 years by the British and placed in mothballs for 15 just in case they needed them. Due to be scrapped the ridiculous Canadian goverment and military bought them sight unseen, it was a Canadian idea. I think only one was ever put into service or at least it worked. Last time saw anything to do with them they were saying it was becoming difficult to find parts. As a Canadian my tax payer money gone to buy junk. The rest of the Canadian armoury be it fighter planes, helicopters etc, is falling apart. Very soon they will not be able to take part in any situation that involves NATO or allies.
The oboat hulls are so strong they can dive down almost 200 meters...
The oboat will have to be transported over 1000 kilometres to Rimouski, it's a tough journey for such a massive fragile vessel.
What is really interesting about that 200 metre depth, Nyutco makes 1 and 2 person work subs / dive suits that can go 1000 metres deep without pressurization. Yes, 1 kilometre deep at sea level air pressure.
😅✌️🙈
3:45 "This is going to be the only submarine museum in Canada" There happens to be an Oberon class submarine museum in Port Burwell Ontario featuring the HMCS OJIBWA and its been there for quite some time before this.
This is not a 2021 documentary, this was filmed back in 2008/2009
17:31 Woodside ferry terminal near bottom right. Spent plenty of time waiting there while in the navy during the 80's and 90's.
I felt like a win over the enemy... That song was so damn powerful. Great video to never miss. Dedication paid off..
HI THERE ARE NOW 2 SUBMARINES ON DISPLAY IN CANADA WE HAVE THE OJIBWA IN PORT BURWELL ONTARIO WEATHER IS A LOT NICER HERE FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAYS THOUGH
Actually things started when the Elgin Military Museum in St. Thomas Ontario contacted the Department of National Defence inquiring about getting a surplus tank. There wasn't on available and ended up getting the submarine
@@stuartgreene4378 True story.
I toured her in Puerto Rico around 1990 while she docked next to us (USN-SSBN 645). Still have a ships t-shirt I traded for a ship's ball cap. The shirt says "Submarines... Not Royal Marines" on the back. Unbelievably cramped compared to our boat.
That’s one thing I could never be and have massive respect for is submariners. I served in the British Army and always had a fascination with Submarines, although I was in the Army I couldn’t serve on one. Certainly takes a special person to operate on them.
@@matty6848 I served in the Navy but also had the opportunity to work on a tour submarine in the Cayman Islands (very British) for several years. I always got a kick out of the concept of windows in submarines. Coolest job ever for a bubblehead.
@@scrawface lucky you the Navy is definitely the best for seeing the world, although I had my fair share of travel when I was in the Mercian Regiment. Also the Navy is much better for when you come out onto civvy street as your more inclined to learn good technical trades in the Navy. However I can’t complain I did 7 years in all in the Army and if I could have my time again i wouldn’t change a thing.
Rimouski folks worked hard with what tools they had to drag the submarine on land .good video .i ve been through Rimouski in my younger days.perhaps will take a short cut through Rimouski in my older days hopefully before the year is over.
Oberon my dad's old boat👍👍👍 well done people of Canada... UK
The more you watch the more you see it is "a possible disaster of their own making". That is the makers of the video. Overplayed by a factor of 10. From a retired O Boat Sailor.
My father served on her. I been on that sub many many times. Boy do i miss it
Remind me never to get on a boat with Donald. Like fog rolling in was a shock in that part of the world.
Great video!Fantastic!My hat is off to our Canadian neighbors to the North of us!They really pulled off a great job under adverse conditions!
True but we still dont have a German Uboat inside a museum like you have in Chicago
someone said.."hey lets write songs for the video!!!" ...someone else said "hell ya...that would be great!!!!!!!" ....."Ill even hire an orchestra and get some dramatic music.!!!!" ...."wow ...your my hero!!!....this will be the greatest video ever made!!!!!"
Did someone literally write an epic symphony just for towing an old Canadian submarine?? Or did this amazing song already exist. So many questions
They have long and dark winters....
CaNAdiAnSssss! Way to go, I look forward to visiting.
First documentary I've seen with an Oompa loompa chorus! That music was major cringe! Still it's impressive the way they crammed a 15 minute doc into 45 minutes.
Hit that nail on the head, and drove it in with a single blow.
The music to me sounded like it was right out of the movie The Fellowship of the Ring or The Hunt for Red October.
LOL, cuz you can move a 1000 ton ship 1000kms in 15 minutes. Idiot.
I have the greatest respect for all the people involved in this move , Donald must have nerves of steel ! The music was fantastic !
Better get your titles right, the CPO is in the RCN, not the RN!!
Stopped me in my tracks too. Who writes this stuff?
I guess it could be handled more wisely....but u never know what works first time....hats off to these guys amazing work
Dead ship moves are fun. Had to thread a needle that was less then 16” with a 60’ wide vessel. Dredging barges spudded in place and excavators on them cabled to the side of the vessel. Excavators literally walked it through the needle.
So well done to all involved but I was somewhat surprised that the tow ropes were so frail, luckily the first one snapped early other than when in a heavy sea possibly later!
Apart from that a great achievement, and hopefully a superb museum.
On the other hand, either someone fell down on the job with a woefully under par towline, or the director stepped in and said "That's where we insert our first overdramatic attention getter".
What a cluster f^% of engineering. This guy brings in suv's to pull it!
Agreed lmao, but they probably didn’t have the money to do anything more sophisticated and efficient
@@scandi6686 Money is not the problem here. Poor planning. No oversight. No foresight. Zero engineers involved on the project. All of them half assed old men trying everything.
There is a huge submarine museum in Fremantle Australia with a Oberon class submarine in working condition on the “hard.”
Another interesting one. Would loved to see how they got the submarine to its final resting place :)
that was where the submarine stayed. i think it was prolly too heavy. the museum is right next to it. check it out on google maps
IT stayed right where they left it at the end. You can take a look in street view Coordinates 48.5169177137496, -68.47054323879989
Just used Google Earth 48.31'01.02"N 68.28'15.81W elev:68 ft (Sous-Marin Onondaga-SHMP). Will make a visit to her.
When my father was a student at the Illinois Institute of Technology, he cut classes to watch the captured Nazi sub U505 moved from Lake Michigan to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. He said they simply rolled it on large round timbers, which were cycled from back to front as she went, although I'm sure there was a lot more to keeping her upright. When I was in my early teens, he took me to see it. It was still outside then, with access to the hull from inside the museum. At that time, we were still allowed to tour a good portion of the inside from (nearly) one end to the other. A great deal has been done to preserve and restore it since that time.
Keep it up spark. Really love your content . Make some more on navies
This is one of the best videos that I have ever watched,would like to see the next complete video where it's standing now and being displayed for visitors
Your kidding right ?
@@gowdsake7103 Nope !
@@shaneolivier1650 Uou can overlook the excessive stress on non existent problems ? Oh well good for you
@@shaneolivier1650 I agree with you. It may seem overly dramatic at times but it’s still a very interesting story.
I hope they emptied the ballast tanks before winching it up on to the final resting place.
Ballast tanks 1, 2, 4, 6 and 7 are free flood and will drain without help. 3 and 5 have kingston valves at the bottom which have to be opened by hand in order to drain them. When in use, these two ballast tanks were also used as fuel tanks, hence the kingston valves. The torpedo operating tanks (TOT's), M port, M starboard, Q tank, R tank O port and starboard would most likely have been flooded but would have taken a while to pump out.
@@byteme11 At the beginning of the video they spent a lot of time flooding ballast tank to get the submarine trimmed for towing. The point I was making is when pulling the submarine out of the water up on to dry land not emptying those tanks would mean a lot more weight to pull.
@@johnmcmickle5685 I would suppose that they would want to keep the sub in perfect trim until it was completely supported on the rails. Without any power, it would not be possible to pump out any of the internal tanks until the boat was stablised and power could be connected to the boat to get the pumps running again. This was not made clear in the video but knowing what I know about Oberon submarines, this would most likely make the most sense but I wasn't there either.
They did this with (I think Ojibwa?) 10 years ago, took it up the Great Lakes and put it on land in Port Burwell. It's true they were great submarines, but metal fatigue made it impossible to give them a refit. Glad they saved them for tourism. I met some of the 70s captains of those ships back in the day, when my dad was in charge of maintenance for the Atlantic fleet. Slap a nice coat of paint on her, Onondaga was a good ship.
Thank you for posting.
45 minutes of naval-gazing = time well spent on a fascinating project.
I admit that bu everything the naysayers was spot on too. It could all be corrected with replacement audio. I'd watch it again if they showed the previous scriptwriter being kicked in the goolies.
Bloody good effort
Supersized? It's a small submarine!
Just a thought but could they have used inflatables to help raise it. Maybe weld rails together and push them into water. We did a boat ramp that way 25 years ago.
And put some diesels in it, or failing that install generators. You only need about 5 knots to steer it and less to run with the tide.
I am glad they saved at least one of these submarine. It would be cool if the maritime museum in Vancouver could get one as well.
This entire effort was a train wreck. Apparently physics is not their strength.
Or logic!
The Newfy tug boat Captain was the only fella that never screwed up.
Ambitious
39:42 "Now we sleep!"
Sacre bleu! Our submarine fell off of it's submarine-rails!
These shows make it look like these people are lucky to just do their job. Kinda like every show on discovery. Make it about what they are doing and how they do it and quit making it about one wrong move.
I agree. I was about to write your words👍
I can attest to the pulling power of a double frame winch truck. I had a 2014 Peterbilt 367 double frame winch truck and it had a maximum pulling power of 100,000 lbs. The most I ever pulled with it was around 44,000 lbs in one shot and it didn't even struggle.
What an amazing video. Thank you. I absolutely loved the choir singing. They were fantastic. Thanks again.
Thanks Steve!
I remember when the Onodaga visited Portsmouth, NH, and I went for a tour of that boat. It was cool!
when diver danny kept blowing his nose i just lost it i swear
I was going to write a blowing the nose sound here but it occurred to me that I have no idea what that would be. Phlurbbbbbbbbb perhaps.
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At 0:08: Not one minute into this video, and this error appears: "... weighing one and one-half thousand [sic] tons". According to Wikipedia, the weight is "Surfaced: 2,030 t (2,000 long tons); submerged: 2,410 t (2,370 long tons)." And at 2:18: The sub was propelled by battery-powered engines only while submerged while on the surface diesel-electric propulsion was used.
Why wait until the last minute to build the ramp? Must everything be done under some time delimmia?
Super exemple d'un défi bien réussi malgré les obstacles.
Ther is one of these "O" class in Sydney Harbour at the Darling harbour .It is preserved and afloat. There is also one In Fremantle Australia preserved on the land.
Where is darling harbor over in Sydney I am from cape breton and didnt know there was a submarine here
@@cordelolsen3950 It is right in the heart of Sydney harbour at the Australian National Matitime Museum, Name of sub is HMAS Onslow. Just walk across the Pyrmont bridge to the east side of the harbour which is south east of Sydney harbour Bridge - about a Mile walk from Sydney Harbour Bridge .
Thanks I'll have to go and check it out one day
Oh rob I am.from.the other Sydney nova scotia not Australia Sydney
the most WELL FEED team of all time!
If a sub is sealed up with no one on board why would capsizing cause it to sink? It might foul the cables being used to tow it but sink?
The main ballast tanks are open to the sea at all times.Capsizing would allow all the air to instantly escape, there is no coming back from that.
I visited that submarine some years ago. Truly awesome.
This is the most interrupted video known to man!!!!!
I have always remembered when I was about 13 or 14 I spent a few days with the Royal Navy. For me, the highlight of the trip was going on board a decommissioned submarine.
This gon be a good one
Super 👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏
Those cradles looked ill thought out. when we were making cradles they were wide for the rails because boats even submarines can be top heavy add high winds and ballast water still the tanks things go pear shaped very quick. Interesting lucky she didnt fall over on her conning tower .
What an amazing undertaking. Despite the delays natural obstacles and human eagerness she finally made it home.
She's s s reminder that the human mind can be ingenious but also cruel.
What a shambles.
Aye aye water water ing ing.
I get the impression all this was done without a prayer.
I live near to Chatham Dockyard where these Subs were built. I grew up with many people whose fathers worked in the Dockyard and would have worked on them
Onondagas sister sub Ocelot, is displayed at the Historic Dockyard, Chatham..
It's easy to get rid of these rusting relics, just sell them to Canada.
Love to see them saved better than being turned in to scrap.👍🇬🇧🇬🇮
If they cost billions you can still have them but you can only scrap them once.
They only need to put the rent up for Quebecois quarantine and it will all soon be paid for.
Supersize? A diesel-electric Oberon!
A Vanguard class of 16,000 tons is a supersize sub; not an Oberon less than a 10th the mass of a Vanguard.
And the music - talk about over stated. (But the graphics are great, very well explained in that way!)
All electric subs have large diesel powered generators to charge the batteries!
At all cost.
Must have cost a fortune saving that steel frame.
Amazing dedication to all those envolved.
Way way overdone hyperbole. A good example of how overuse gets the exact opposite effect. Tone it down not every breath is a crisis.
Worked refitting the "O" class subs at Cockatoo Docks Sydney in the 70's, great machines.
First you say that theyre extremely strong then you say it may be too fragile to get towed ???
They were strong when they were new but obviously as they age the steel starts to rust there for making them brittle
The pressure hull is strong, but its "encased" in ballast tanks. If they puncture one of those, and enough water gets in it would be like something trying to hold a 200 lb barbell overhead while the weights on ONE side suddenly fell off. Except harder because you're on a rolling ocean .
@@stevelotan exactly. Puncture 3, 4 or 5 ballast tank or the fuel tank and there goes your stability
i live in Halifax NS and I really enjoyed this documentary!