All GC contenders train to the route as it is given and the best rider wins. Pogi has already stated that including the climbs where he had issues only adds fuel to his fire and given the systematic way he went about addressing his "weaknesses" from 2022 & 2023, my guess is he will do the same for TdF 2025. If both Jonas and Pogi are healthy, I expect a fierce battle, but give the odds to Pogi.
I don't know why you still believe what used to be challenging for Pog is still going to be the case after watching the last TdF... What we saw from him under 2024 is not the Pog from earlier years.
To put simply one thing for sure. No one can beat a healthy Tadej, you can put 2 x that 5 mountain stages for 2025, I’ll still put my money on Tadej. Period
If Tadej is healthy? No chance. He’ll need to be doped to the balls of his eyes like he has been all year to keep on winning. All of them dope. Period. History just repeating itself. It’s not like he’s a super human or something. Wake Up!
There was a time when UAE didnt have such a strong team and Visma had a team of MVP's but the rolls have changed the past 2 seasons. Especially last season. As hard as it is to believe there is a chance we see Pogi on same or possibly better form than last season and Jonas knows this so Jonas is going to be on a serious rampage to take back his title. You could argue that this course suits Jonas more but every rider and team trains for the course that is put before them. Thats why we get to see the course before 2025 even hits,so each team can train on that course. One thing is for sure, as long as we dont see any injuries going into the TDF we are in for the race of a lifetime!! 🤘🏻🏴
I think Jonas will try Giro Tour Double next year, but if he will be able to beat Pogi is unclear offiacly. Lets just hope for a good battle like in 2022
First😊....Pog will be even stronger in 2025 and Jonas will hardly beat Pog...Jonas starting the Tdf preparation so early does it tell all.... despite the incident Jonas showed his best numbers ever but because of lack of preparations he has burned out in the 3. week....the difference un 2025 will be even bigger ....
I think so but whithot vinge i would already be a 5 wins for poggi and thaths not healthy for the sport so amazing for the sport that we have a guy to challenge
If le Tour was boring it was not because Pogacar. But because of other riders outside TOP3. Barely 10 minute loss to Remco was a shame. In team Sky domination times there was also one winner, but behind him was interesting rivaly. In 2024 there was no such thing from start to finish.
People...the Tour takes more than 3 months to put together. The process of start and finish cities and towns bidding for the Route and then the logistics of finalizing all that is not a three month job. Vingegaard won the 2022 and 2023 editions so when 2025 route was being designed, HE was the dominant rider.
If this course KOs Pogacar, the rest of the field will be crushed as well. In the end, the guy with the best form will have the advantage, Pogi or not.
Was not the actual climbs that cooked him . Just the race situation and possible energy expenditure errors committed before he hit them most likely. Do not read to much into all this.
2025 route doesn't matter. If Pogi is in similar form, Jonas cannot compete. Pogi needs only adequate team support and to remain healthy to replicate last year's TdF.
The 2024 Pogačar is completely out of range of any competitor right now. Any hope of Jonas winning the Tour lies with Pogi not being healthy. It won't be a 2024 repeat for sure, we will see something different. But betting on slow, high, not-so-steep climbs (the cols) on wearing out Pogi is like counting on a breeze to topple the trophy winning catamaran. It won't happen.
I believe pogi will have great talent next year by a hair, but if he tries any of those long range attacks, he will pay the price and will suffer huge for it
Why do you think that Pogi will be the only one who suffers? I’m calling BS. Your title should read: “In the 2025 TdF, Pogi and UAE will make everyone suffer.”
first 2 times Vingegaard won the tour he had Wout, kuss and Roglic on his side, so more than enough to make pogacar pinballing arround. Wout proved in the last vuelta he still can do it ! he was leader in the mounten and sprint competition... unthill he chrached . Just wanna say, a lot will depend on there teams; Because pog and vingegaard riding 100% the same parcours and stages. I dont see anny profit for vingegaard. Pogacar is a verry opportunistic racer, het dont care all youve said . BTW there is annother rider to watch ! the double olympic champion Remco. his first tour he came to learn , now he goos to win the tour...
@@swisstopia Do you know why ? I never learned english writing bud ! Doh I speak 6 different language's ... writing is sommething else. I can only use the words I know and can write... BTW youre the first one who complains about it . Other people apriciate I'm doing my best ;-)
Hope they both are in top shape for the TdF this year (no injuries in the spring).
All GC contenders train to the route as it is given and the best rider wins. Pogi has already stated that including the climbs where he had issues only adds fuel to his fire and given the systematic way he went about addressing his "weaknesses" from 2022 & 2023, my guess is he will do the same for TdF 2025. If both Jonas and Pogi are healthy, I expect a fierce battle, but give the odds to Pogi.
JV came in 2nd in 2024's TDF just being recovered from the injury. I hope he comes back stronger this 2025
I don't know why you still believe what used to be challenging for Pog is still going to be the case after watching the last TdF... What we saw from him under 2024 is not the Pog from earlier years.
the route is just the route. only rivals can make you suffer
To put simply one thing for sure. No one can beat a healthy Tadej, you can put 2 x that 5 mountain stages for 2025, I’ll still put my money on Tadej. Period
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Which might make the Tour more boring, since the rest of the competitors will be even less... competitive!
No one can beat?clown haha let's see if Jonas is also healthy and top shape Put all your money to tadej and you will be bankrupt hahah
If Tadej is healthy? No chance. He’ll need to be doped to the balls of his eyes like he has been all year to keep on winning. All of them dope. Period. History just repeating itself. It’s not like he’s a super human or something. Wake Up!
So how many riders will finish the tour? 50?
There was a time when UAE didnt have such a strong team and Visma had a team of MVP's but the rolls have changed the past 2 seasons. Especially last season. As hard as it is to believe there is a chance we see Pogi on same or possibly better form than last season and Jonas knows this so Jonas is going to be on a serious rampage to take back his title. You could argue that this course suits Jonas more but every rider and team trains for the course that is put before them. Thats why we get to see the course before 2025 even hits,so each team can train on that course. One thing is for sure, as long as we dont see any injuries going into the TDF we are in for the race of a lifetime!!
🤘🏻🏴
Never seen a race so bais against one rider... it's almost unfair. Almots, because if an injury-free Tadej suffers, no one else survives...
And usually it's the opposite, the Tour is built around the latest winner... it's like they are taking a political statement.
I think Jonas will try Giro Tour Double next year, but if he will be able to beat Pogi is unclear offiacly. Lets just hope for a good battle like in 2022
First😊....Pog will be even stronger in 2025 and Jonas will hardly beat Pog...Jonas starting the Tdf preparation so early does it tell all.... despite the incident Jonas showed his best numbers ever but because of lack of preparations he has burned out in the 3. week....the difference un 2025 will be even bigger ....
Tadej that you?
😂@@J-cz7yv
I guess Pogacar wins again.
I think so but whithot vinge i would already be a 5 wins for poggi and thaths not healthy for the sport so amazing for the sport that we have a guy to challenge
If pogi suffers, what will it do to the rest??
Pogi suffering while the peloton are slowly dying.
If le Tour was boring it was not because Pogacar. But because of other riders outside TOP3. Barely 10 minute loss to Remco was a shame. In team Sky domination times there was also one winner, but behind him was interesting rivaly. In 2024 there was no such thing from start to finish.
People...the Tour takes more than 3 months to put together. The process of start and finish cities and towns bidding for the Route and then the logistics of finalizing all that is not a three month job. Vingegaard won the 2022 and 2023 editions so when 2025 route was being designed, HE was the dominant rider.
No, the tradition is to build a Tour based on the latest winner and his capacities... so this is a totally unusual!
If this course KOs Pogacar, the rest of the field will be crushed as well. In the end, the guy with the best form will have the advantage, Pogi or not.
Was not the actual climbs that cooked him . Just the race situation and possible energy expenditure errors committed before he hit them most likely. Do not read to much into all this.
100% true. It will be a new race wirh new contenders and new tactics.
The "problem" is, that these climbs wil also give Tadej that "kick" because of he knows they`re there to make him suffer
Basilare è il controllo della corsa. Avere una squadra adeguata è fondamentale. Per il resto, se Tadey è in forma non ci saranno problemi per lui.
This is weird since usually the Tour is usually build around the latest winner...
Sepp kuss is going to get in a big breakaway, build a 5+ minute lead and Jonas will need to attack his own teammate to take the win
It will make everyone else suffer more 😂
Tadej is healthy and motivated
Thank god there’s no bloody gravel the quicker that fads out the way the better
2025 route doesn't matter. If Pogi is in similar form, Jonas cannot compete. Pogi needs only adequate team support and to remain healthy to replicate last year's TdF.
He WILL compete.
Says T.P biggest and long time fan . And it will be great
Imagine what It will do to the other riders then 😂😂
The 2024 Pogačar is completely out of range of any competitor right now. Any hope of Jonas winning the Tour lies with Pogi not being healthy. It won't be a 2024 repeat for sure, we will see something different. But betting on slow, high, not-so-steep climbs (the cols) on wearing out Pogi is like counting on a breeze to topple the trophy winning catamaran. It won't happen.
I think you forgot that pogi is an Alien... that man is going to destroy everyone like he has been doing.
Hahha if tadej an alien let us assume 3months before race his ribs are also broken and puncture lungs let's see if he can win the tour lol
Fewer, not 'less'.
Thanks Stannis 😂😂😂
@TheNyxmaster The One True King.
I believe pogi will have great talent next year by a hair, but if he tries any of those long range attacks, he will pay the price and will suffer huge for it
Did this dude just pronounce the Tourmalet as tour malley?!?! ☠️
Learn french pronunciation lol
as much of a Tadej fan i am Hes never beaten a healthy vingegaard in a grand tour
Same.
It will be a new race with its own rules
with new tactics required
Why do you think that Pogi will be the only one who suffers? I’m calling BS. Your title should read: “In the 2025 TdF, Pogi and UAE will make everyone suffer.”
first 2 times Vingegaard won the tour he had Wout, kuss and Roglic on his side, so more than enough to make pogacar pinballing arround. Wout proved in the last vuelta he still can do it ! he was leader in the mounten and sprint competition... unthill he chrached .
Just wanna say, a lot will depend on there teams; Because pog and vingegaard riding 100% the same parcours and stages. I dont see anny profit for vingegaard. Pogacar is a verry opportunistic racer, het dont care all youve said . BTW there is annother rider to watch ! the double olympic champion Remco. his first tour he came to learn , now he goos to win the tour...
That some serious inventive spelling, you’re sporting there Dude.
@@swisstopia Do you know why ? I never learned english writing bud ! Doh I speak 6 different language's ... writing is sommething else. I can only use the words I know and can write... BTW youre the first one who complains about it . Other people apriciate I'm doing my best ;-)
My bet is on Roglic
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it'll be neck in neck
Tadej will suffer and jonas and others not? Where did your brain go?
Worst shit I have had!😂
Pranskter 😆
Insha Allah will is going to win 🏆 the 💪 🏆 toure de 🏆 💪 france 🏆 2025
Jonasvingagaar all the way