Thanks for the shout-out guys! Looking forward to getting the new test rig finished so if your excited about that too, I will put up some stuff on my channel hopefully soon about it, stay tuned!
you should check this video (th-cam.com/video/bvhbdtHTVdc/w-d-xo.html) with English subtitles. IDH182 made before 02/2017 had a problem where they would not go full speed... Mine is made after this date and I guarantee you it look stronger than yours!
I bought the latest Freak as a kit on clearance for 72.00. It has impressed me greatly. It does great at hanging drywall due to a 3-way power setting which allows you to have great control over the screw. I also took the tires off my one ton work truck. Really a nice little tool.
I'd bet even material science engineers are scratching their head over the extension. Unless something is happening to hit some sort of resonance, I can't fathom why a spring (the adapter) would increase total impact force.
I'm guessing it's all in the head design and how it mates with the hammer. Somehow the socket adapter is receiving more power from the hit then the 1/2" drive.
@@F0XD1E That makes me think, that the really huge socket used in this test here might not be optimal on these small impact drivers. They most likely might be optimised (resonance-wise) for much smaller sockets.
Speculation on my part, but my guess is the 1/2" anvil is just an adapter around 1/4" hex with sloppy tolerance and causes quite a bit bounce and torque loss.
@@BMikeAD that’s my thought as well. Having all the weight on the perimeter of the anvil might increase the load on the motor. I kind of want to see if just filling that 1/4 inch hex while using the 1/2 anvil has a similar affect
Inconceivable! Been selling the Bosch Freaks for years never would have imagined the 1/2" drive could some how make less torque than an adaptor, aren't they designed to have a little give. Still somewhat handy not needing an adaptor and hopefully nobody is using it as a replacement for an actual 1/2" impact wrench. Thanks for opening our eyes, love that we'll be seeing all the impact drivers soon!
They're designed to have a little give, but with that give comes tension that is expressed as additional force. Because these things "impact" the adapter gets loaded and then as it starts to unload through elasticity into the fastener the adapter is reloaded by the next impact and that cycle continues for every beat. It's a torsional load, so that's why the sockets are expressed using that terminology. Milwaukee calls their impact rated bits "Shockwave" because there is literally a "wave" moving through the bit that is from the "shock" of the impact. Wave theory says they'll sync up and get bigger.
Myself I’ve used both the Bosch dedicated 1/2” Impact Wrench as well as the IDH182 for years. They’ve both worked great on truss with 15/16” bolts, better everyone’s DeWalts of Milwaukee on site. Bolts that others couldn’t loosen of tighten it performed perfectly, that my real situation experience.
@@jakesmith5450 This is the way. The impact wave is amplified as the blows sync up. Gonna need @SmarterEveryDay to use a high-speed camera to verify though.
I love this channel, everything they do either highlights a good manufacturer claim of torque, but also shows us when they ridiculously claim way higher number than real world use....I am always looking forward to the video breaking down this manufacturers claims..... all manufacturers should be warn, now we got this channel that will set you straight, keep up the good Job testing all these tools, hopefully this will improve a tool brand to be more honest
The hollowed anvil has to be the source of your reduction in power. Can you guys perform a quick test with a short 1/4 bit inserted into the anvil under the 1/2 socket (adding mass and filling the cavity). A solid 1/4 bit would probably work best. I hope you guys see this, as I would love to see the data!
But the other impact drivers just have a standard hex chuck anvil - I don't see how the typical hex chuck is going to be heavier(let alone meaningfully so) than a square anvil that's been broached for a hex as well. If anything, these Bosch models should be carrying MORE anvil weight than competing impact drivers that don't have the extra meat to support sockets. I'm sure there's a mass difference given the awful performance - but I'm pretty sure it's in the hammer if anything. We really need to see one taken apart and compared to a competitor to really know though.
@@RyTrapp0 The problem with your argument is the same tools produced significantly more torque when they were tested with a 1/4 hex adapter. If the mass difference were in the hammer (common for both modes of torque application in this tool), one would expect the torque delta to scale in the negative direction.
@@TheJnblackwell2007 Like I said, we need to see them apart to have a chance at figuring out what's going on. Best guess for the adapter is that it hit the right resonance range(acting as a spring), but that's just a WAG.
@@flhusa1 Same. Or rather that it is just allowing for more movement in the hammer strokes. Wonder about something like those 1/2" wheel torque adapters only because of potential losses in the chuck itself.
Hey TTC, I have the gen 2 freak and love it for my application. I use it building fence and think that the versatility is perfect because I can put up boards with the quarter inch then hang gates without even taking the bit off before I put on the socket. It also has worked great for me as a compact impact wrench as most of my applications don’t need more than 150 ft/lbs. The battery on Bosch tools is also very good in my opinion. Thanks for the great test!
I love the freak if not just for the combination...not sure if it's patented, but would be great to see on other tool lines...looks like gen 2 is okay, love the dig on Bosch about keychain light 🤣
Kinda funny that you have only Bosch in the US, which is blue, while we in Europe have Bosch green (hobby tools) and Bosch Professional (blue, professional tools). The professional tools are really well made (not Chinese unlike the green stuff), more expensive and not as weak as the ones tested here.
The gen 1 and gen 2 are the same Bosch blue tools, out of the same factory as the European tools. The US has different naming due to local marketing, but the products are otherwise identical.
Those new gen 2 1800b is completely different than the 1800c with 3 speed is a beast not the same as single speed my coworker bought and immediately returned because after he used my 3 speed and with 8.0 batteries it can take off lugs on my Silverado with ease
Definitely throw in more DeWalt impact drivers (the current 887, as well as the other models), other Makita models, the Milwaukee M18 brushed, and M18 non-Fuel Brushless impact drivers, also more Ridgid, Ryobi, Metabo, Metabo HPT (Hikoki), Festool, and Hilti. Great video as always!
I've had the gen 1 for about 3 years now, and it's working great for screws and stuff. This really explains why it's painfully slow to remove lug nuts on my car, tightened to 120Nm ._. Edit: There's a new generation containing a new freak, impact driver and impact wrench coming soon in Europe. Maybe a proper improvement? Also: Could you possibly test the accuracy of torque bars, if that's the english word for it? (Half inch "torsion rods" you put between your impact and socket to prevent you from overtightening fasteners)
You should test the gen 3. GDX18V-1860CN. Lowe’s item number 3831105. I have one and I can tell there’s definitely more breakaway torque but Bosch claims 275 ft-lbs of breakaway torque in the manual
Before the gen 1 there were two models, GDX 14,4V-LI and GDX 18V-LI, both brushed with easy access brushes, so Gen 0 I guess? Gen 2 has two variants, GDX 18V-200 C (or GDX 18V-1800 C in NA), which has two buttons on the base, one for speed selection and the other a light disable button, and a bluetooth connectivity module slot in the handle. The GDX 18V-200 (resp. 1800) without the C is a cheaper version, which loses the speed selector, light disable and bluetooth module slot. Then there's the upcoming model GDX 18V-210 C already available in some EU countries (named GDX 18V-1860 C in NA), which probably isn't a whole new gen, it's in the same housing as gen 2, so Gen 2.1 I'd say. It adds the Auto Bolt Release function and slightly more claimed torque.
I have a gen 2 bosch freak and I love it. I work in a trailer shop and it pulls its own weight plenty and you can even catch me pulling off lugnuts with it all the time
I have the original one bought reconditioned and finally tried it the lugnuts on my vehicle and it loosened them no problem. I tightened them by hand and surprised so I went to other vehicles and it loosened every one I tried it on using without adapter. My other 1/4 drive makitas wouldn't take loose lugnuts so I assumed the Bosch wouldn't either and was surprised.
And it looks like we lied too, no longer price locked at $159, the KIT is currently the best deal: amzn.to/3sdr4P8 So low and I believe we'll be updating the rank chart (222.9 points, still ranked where it is, but maybe defend its position more). At this price, can 100% recommend (Gen 2 *ONLY* )
@@Fly2kill1 It's certainly possible. Although if you check our corded impact video, we used a well used brushed Japanese impact wrench from the early 90's and it made what it claimed and a little more.
@@TorqueTestChannel yeah it was probably fine. I didn’t even know about the freak until last year when lowes had a big sale. For $150 kit it’s not a bad deal now.
@@Fly2kill1 that was what it was like out of the box the day I got that it was low powered and I could hold it with my hand and that's why I bought the 1800
Some of These drivers have 3 power settings and you have to turn them up! Fun fact, when i got mine and used it first time, i was so disappointed because I needed one so badly and I got it as a gift from my dad when I just started working in the auto trade. 2 weeks later i discovered i had been using it on low power the whole time and when i pressed the button to put it up, it made it a beast! I was pulling lug nuts off almost every vehicle with it on the 1/2” adapter
I have the "1.5" - although it's weak, I got it as a kit on half price at lowes. $73 for tool, battery, and charger. It works fairly well for low-power applications like automotive interior/oil change work. I can have both a T25 and a 10/12mm on there at the same time and swap back and forth quickly - good for removing fenderliners/splashpans. Is it super powerful? Hell no. Was it a good value for the price, and has it held up well for what I've needed? Yes. Glad to finally see it on the rank chart.
@@TorqueTestChannel they sold enough in Germany, Asia and all over Europe. i am from Germany, and Bosch in Europe is the synonym for construction and tools. our ethos also is completely different than the American ethos. . the freak was perfect for the European and Asian market.
@@timmymonte9813, seriously. You don’t seem to understand what impact “wrenches” are used for. First of all let’s look at what Bosch has been selling to lots of unassuming customers…in plain English…Not a Very Good Tool. The Milwaukee M12 Stubby has 4 x the torque as the Bosch Freaks and the M12 3/8” Hex Impact Driver (not an impact wrench, but a 12 volt impact driver has at least twice the amount of torque). So what is an impact wrench for? Taking lug nuts off of cars, taking a lawnmower blade on and off, driving larger lags, etc…. The Freak couldn’t accomplish any of those tasks and it’s an 18 volt tool. Fasteners?? I doubt the Freak could even drive a fastener, let alone a lag bolt of any size. You don’t need a monster impact to drive a lag bolt. The Milwaukee M12 Fuel Impact Driver could drive a larger lag bolt and it’s 1/3 of the size of the Freak.
my first wrench was a Chinese knock off Makita with a hex bit I still use it today for disk brakes and other stuck screws. I have been very tempted to swap the anvils but worried that'd end badly
Having been tempted by the freak and its 1/2 inch feature, i have experimented with this effect a little before returning this freak ang getting a teal one to match my collection lol. You might want to explore different adaptors as it seems that the ''sloppyer'' fits allow more hammer movement giving it more time to accelerate and impart force. It also seems to run at a lower frequency with an adaptor.
The square drive must be flexing like a torque stick. The adapters sit deeper into the anvil mechanism, so the geometry and material properties are a little better. That's all I've got - it's a pretty surprising result, for sure 👍
That is an interesting thought. My first reaction was that the square drive on the tool might just be smaller than the adapter's and that slop was wasting power.
I found with the Gen 2 work much better with small sockets, i was able to take off bolts that where torqued down to 250ft-lbs with orange lock-tight. I feel it has a smaller anvil and the blows get absorbed into the larger sockets.The sockets get noticably warmer than when i use my pneumatic (1/2" blue-point), even when the bolt are quickly removed. My guess is the 1/4" adaptor is "bouncing" the impact so it applying it smoother allowing the torque to be passed on rather than absorbing it, turning it into heat. Would be cool to see a thermal test
At least I now know to use my extension to hopefully get the mower blades off the spindle. VERY underwhelmed by the lack of power in my Freak in "heavy" applications. I thought it was something wrong with the battery. Glad this popped up in my feed!! Thanks.
0:48 Also known as the GDX 18V-Li here in Europe. I have that one myself. And for my diy jobs at home, it is quite adequate. Mine runs at full speed quite a bit from fully depressed, yours must be faulty... Btw, you DID put it on its highest setting, right?
My best guess is, that the small anvil struggles with delivering it's power to that in comparison giant socket and bolt losing more energy in deformation and heat generation, while the little flex in the adpater helps buffer that energy and deliver it to the socket more smoothly.
Can you try sticking only the tail of a broken adapter, then putting a socket on the 1/2 square drive. Just curious if the tool can sense there is a bit in the hex drive, so it pumps more juice.
Regarding low numbers for gen1. There’s a flaw in tool body that prevents button from being pushed all the way down. You can feel it by rattling the button from side to side - you should notice tool speed changing. This can easily be fixed, by removing extra material with modeling knife, the numbers should improve. Ps. Sorry for poor English. It’s not my native language.
The square taper anvil is deforming when used with a socket because the center has been drilled out for the hex. If you weld a hex bit into the anvil to fill the hole, it'll make up the difference.
I'm sure they'll keep growing at a decent rate since their doing an excellent job and keep getting better. But the first 50,000 subscribers I'd say is usually the hardest where their getting their channel established. They'll be one of the top tool channels before long.
The first European generation (GDX 18V-EC) had a design flaw. You could not pull the trigger completely because a part of the housing was in the way and prevented “full power”. Was resolved in mid 2017.
If you are talking traditional air impacts, yes. Impacts like these are primarily designed for driving wood fasteners. More or less the same physics, different application.
Loving the channel guys. But I believe the first model of this tool was the Brushed GDX 18 V-LI Funnily enough Oz tool talk got the same, better results with an adapter 🤷♂️
The hybrid hex-square drive clearly can't transmit power through the square with an unloaded hex without significant losses; probably why nobody else makes these kinds of tools. At 1:19 you even show Bosch marketing material where they have a hex bit inside of the socket, I think this needs to be tested, it's a stupidly asinine requirement, but it's probably the tools' best case scenario. I also have a feeling the older tools definitely have some wear and tear on them, especially with that gen1 with the bad trigger; plus the fact that you can hold the socket still in your hand while the tool is running may be implicative of a weak spring on the anvil, though I don't think any of us actually know what the original spec of that spring is meant to be.
That’s weird how these numbers are, I was going to get a brand new kit w/ battery, charger on E bay for $79 , I think I don’t want one now,…thanks, I bought a Dewalt 1/2 12v and it’s awesome….you can buy adapters for it to do everything, even put a chuck on it and drill…👍🏻
In my experience with the Gen 1 Brushless on over torqued lug nuts, a dewalt socket adapter would not break them free, but socket on anvil would. I repeated the test a bunch of times by torquing them down again to like 90lbs.
I noticed a little more output using the six amp hr battery on the Gen1. that being said. It will barely remove my lug nuts on Honda accord torqued to 87 lbs. I never had a problem driving screws or lags and most of the time I have it set on The lowest setting. I did finally purchased the Bosch GDS 1000 to break and axel nut loose. that worked great and that was without the special sauce batteries.
I use a 1.5 regularly for automotive work, I expected it to rank a little lower, I wanted a lower torque impact so I don't break stuff and if I have to use a breaker bar so I don't strip things thats OK, I say this because of some of the scenarios I've used this tool in would gave never broke anything loose based on your test, i.e. lug nuts and crank bolts are both torqued higher than that. I just pulled an engine last weekend and didn't hiccup once, so I find it strange...
Personally I love the IDH182 model for it’s design, the 3 lights, and the pistol grip. It’s has worked on location better than the Milwaukee’s and DeWalts some of my crew use. Used the 2.0 Freak GDX in some was it is actually better, but I still prefer the 1st Gen design. Having extensively use the Bosch Impacts they works from fine work to heavy duty admirably. With the ratcheting ability I’ve never broken or over tightened or broken a screw. Also the CORE batteries are superior, the test be what it may I’ve used these tools and been impressed.
I bought a combo kit with the Gen 2, a hammer drill, 2 4AHr batteries, the charger and a bag for ~$150 about 4-5 months ago(I think?). Been great for just working on my truck. Granted, I actually use a torque wrench when I'm putting the lug nuts on, but it never really has a problem taking them off... so long as I'm on the highest mode. Made that mistake once. The batteries at least last a long time, in my use case. Still nice to see actual numbers after getting flac from my mechanic step-dad for buying Bosh, who insisted they made terrible tools.
I do own the bosch freak 2@GDX 18V 200 C, and after using it for few electrical & DIY projects I am quitr satisfied with it's performance. Not really powerful like its competitors but it gets the job done, won't accidentally destroy screw heads/nut threads and "slow start" option offers better control during screwdriving esp. for those who aren't used to high-rpm impact drivers. Just avoid using it for automotive jobs
most likely reason for the performance difference is the dissipation of the impact force due to the extra length of the 1/2" square relative to the 1/4" hex, the impact gun itself produces the same torque, to test this just put an extension on any driver and observe the loss.
Only thing I can think of, is the adapter adds a bit of mass, like a power socket does. Maybe the anvil is just so small in these, that even the very small amount of mass (and diameter) of the adapter is still enough to cause a pretty healthy change?
Would love to see you guys put the M12 Fuel stubby 1/2" impact wrench up against the M18 Fuel 1/2" compact impact. I've heard they're very, very similar in torque output and would love to see a proper test done. If I can put off buying into the M18 battery system a little longer I'd be fine with that since I have tons of M12 tools and batteries.
I believe both's performance are covered here: th-cam.com/video/bQQXtXydYL4/w-d-xo.html The M12 made some gains over the M18's curve enough that their performance is basically the same. We like he M12 more
I have the Gen 1 at work. We have lots of bolts that need at least 145 Nm. Never a problem when I check with my torque wrench. And without the adapter. Other than that, 7 years of abuse on building sites and still working good. And something wrong with the trigger on the one you borrowed.
Would really love to see the makita sub compact 18v line in here. I've gotten where I use mine more than the full sized version and I "believe" they punch well above their weight class. It clearly isn't as powerful as the full sized version, but it doesn't disappoint for what it does.
That Dewalt adapter created some kind of anomaly achieving an optimal rhythmic impact pattern producing less torque loss rather than more torque. Quite an interesting observation!
Would you be able to compare an impact wrench with its stock anvil and compare with dual-use anvil that can be bought on eBay to see if it affects power? I know these are sold for the Makita XWT17Z
I bet the driver receiver is directly driven by the hammer and anvil, whereas the wrench end is a separate piece of metal being driven by the driver receiver (hard to eloquently explain that). But point is, the additional point of slop between the impact driver receiver and the wrench end messes up the dynamics of the hammer and anvil.
Those where an upgrade option on the Bob The Builder tool bench kit, circa 2005. My son broke the driver while smacking it with the plastic fake screwdriver.
Will be using my Bosch 1800 with 1/4 adapters from now on for more BEANS! Cant even complain as I got mine on sale for $55 with the 4ah 21700 Core! battery...
I guess that explains why I was riding the struggle bus trying to drive some lags into railroad ties. I wonder if Bosch's other traditional impact drivers stack up.
Imagine if we could have the Flex or Milwaukee with that anvil. But no, the single greatest feature an impact tool could have is only on an average at best tool.
Bosch why would you go from 2 lights by the anvil to 3 and then completely mess the 3rd one up by putting the light down on the bottom. The impact itself is an awesome tool but the placement of the light for what I need it for... That why I have Makita now.
Some of the Gen 2 freaks have a pin hole hog ring collet. Meant for pin retaining sockets and O rings. Interested in seeing the difference in torque between the pinned sockets and non pinned/adapter attached or hog ringed.
I’ve got the non Freak Gen 1 version along with the drill. Use it mostly as a driver for deck screws where it’s performed admirably with the same 4 ah lithium batteries for the last 4 years. As an impact driver…can confirm, pretty much zero beans. Break out the Matco.
I have two of the 1.5 drivers, one for work and home. I've known for a while that they were much weaker than advertised (I got 90 ft/lb out of mine) but it is great for driving/loosing screws and smaller bolts. I use it frequently with a 1/2 ratchet too on large bolts to save spinning the bolts. I have the heavy duty rigid for anything this cannot do. I may get the gen two, it sounds like it would be perfect for passenger tire lug nuts.
Bosch just announced their Gen4 version a few days ago. It is model GDX18V-1860CN and claims 1860 in-lbs (155 ft-lb). They are actually releasing THREE versions of this tool: impact driver with 1/4" hex (GDR18V-1860C), impact wrench with 1/2" square (GDS18V-1860C), and "Freak" with both (GDX18V-1860C). All three tools share the same user manual and advertise the same 1860 in-lbs. Given the strange results you got with the hex vs. square drive, it would sure be interesting to test these three seemingly identical tools to see how if they differ. I'm guessing you'll at least test the new "Freak" version when it arrives to see how it compares to the first three generations you tested in this video. Great video - great channel! Thanks! Edit: I just looked at Lowes and the Gen4 is in stock at my local store. By the way, I have the Gen1 IDH182B. I recall that there was an issue with the triggers on the Gen1 brushless Bosch tools and I have sent in a couple for warranty repair. They replaced the trigger with an updated part. Given the poor trigger feeling you observed on your test tool, I wonder if the lower than expected results you got from the Gen1 could possibly be related?
@@TorqueTestChannel Yes, it is Lowes item #3831105. All the stores around me show that they have it in stock (in store). There is also an Amazon listing, B09DZYR8N9 - but it is not in stock yet.
The early ones are probably as powerful as my 18v green 1/4 hitachi. Good for screws and stuff, but not a heavy hitter. I can hold the socket keeping it from spinning fairly comfortably.
I have the brush model (GDX18V-1600). After seeing this video, I used an adapter to remove wheel nuts on my car. (it's winter tire season around here). In the spring, my driver was able to remove nuts, but barely. So this time I used an adapter thinking it would be better. I couldn't remove a single nut using the adapter. Then I removed the adapter and it worked. I have no explanation, but as far as I'm concerned, the adapter isn't helping at all.
Why don’t you ever do real drills/impacts like Bosch 12v??! Would love to see the different torque differences for the different sized batteries. So refined, durable and small compared to the less interesting m12. The fat grip m12s kill me also.
I have the new model freak. I am a carpenter and still much prefer to use a drill driver, because of the noise and versatility, I have to carry my tools quite far sometimes. But I do find this very handy, its ergonomics and control are super and the convenience of just putting a socket is very useful. I don't need tones of power for the occasional coach bolt o a gate hinge. I would like to see some 12v head to heads as I think they would probably suit my needs even more.
I heard about Problems with the switch on Bosch Impacts, they jam before you got the full rpm and than you don't reach max torque! Maybe try again and concentrate on the switch, that it makes the full travel.
It might be interesting to build a battery dyno. Are 5Ah batteries really 5Ah? Who stores the most energy? How much power can you get out of a battery?
Greetings. I think your findings are pretty much inline with my experience using Bosch. If I worked on a job site or in a garage and I did repetitive tasks I would go with Flex or Milwaukee probably. I have to do remote tech work and Bosch allows me to travel lighter while also accomplishing like 95% of tasks. For the 5% I bought the 1330cn profactor and have been super happy. The best part is; if I occasionally have work on an active job site no one steals my batteries lol
I use my gen 1 for DIY Automotive work and it does everything that I needed to including suspension bolts and old lug nuts on aluminum rims no socket adapter
The Gen 1 and 1.5 are old news as far as I'm concerned. They may not gave been as impressive as stated, but if there's a Statute of Limitations in tools, I'd say they've reached it. It's interesting that the anvil can't get full power. I've been debating on jumping back into the Bosch line. I guess that makes the decision easier on whether to go with the regular driver or the Freak. Also, as far as the Feeak goes, I don't think that it was ever meant to step in as an impact wrench. The anvil is simply there to make it easier to go back and forth between 1/4 drivers and sockets.
I stopped trusting Bosch a while back. Last purchase I had from them was an expensive heat gun with digital controls, came with unopened, sealed box, but tool itself had oxidation and nozzle had yellowish tint from heat (as if it was second hand.) I don’t know what’s wrong with their QC nowadays. I’m donating my old chargers and batteries if my Bosch impact driver goes tits up one day.
Are you guys going to get around to the GDX or GDS series? I like my Milwaukee tools but hate the batteries. The quality of the Bosch batteries Seems a lot better and I am considering switching but idk if the tools are strong enough to justify.
I’m wondering I the 1/2” deep socket is just too much mass, and the impacts are getting dampened within the socket You add elasticity when you add the adapter, so it separates the mass from the drive, and allows the impacts to fully cycle. Be interesting to see if you went with the smallest 1/2” socket you can find and retry, I’d be betting it would be better.
Man, these memorable model numbers! It's like they threw a cat at a keyboard and then, being German, had to add the torque spec or else risk being stripped of their Germanity.
Not sure about other brands, but always consider that Bosch has D.I.Y. tools (GREEN) and Professional tools (BLUE). If possible, pick the BLUE ones if there is a choice.
The extra torque with the adapter could be because of the backlash between the adapter and the socket giving the motor a little more time to accelerate to its "full power".
I would like to see the Kobalt XTR Impact Driver, I have one and it is quite nice IMO. Seeing it be tested against Milwaukee and it's brother Flex would be nice.
Maybe it can be taken a step further by stuffing a piece of cut hex stock in the anvil (to use the _anvil)_ before putting a socket on so that none of the impact is lossed through the 1/4" hex
Thanks for the shout-out guys! Looking forward to getting the new test rig finished so if your excited about that too, I will put up some stuff on my channel hopefully soon about it, stay tuned!
New test rig? Something that uses more practical sized hardware? Just a lil jab on this instance using a 1/4" driver to run in an 1" bolt
you should check this video (th-cam.com/video/bvhbdtHTVdc/w-d-xo.html) with English subtitles. IDH182 made before 02/2017 had a problem where they would not go full speed... Mine is made after this date and I guarantee you it look stronger than yours!
“Wow! 57 ft lbs?!? It doesn’t seem like a lot, but that’s just because, we’ll, it’s not.”
You made me snort on that one. Love it.
I bought the latest Freak as a kit on clearance for 72.00. It has impressed me greatly. It does great at hanging drywall due to a 3-way power setting which allows you to have great control over the screw. I also took the tires off my one ton work truck. Really a nice little tool.
I'd bet even material science engineers are scratching their head over the extension. Unless something is happening to hit some sort of resonance, I can't fathom why a spring (the adapter) would increase total impact force.
Electric impact guns rely on resonance to work properly. Somehow inserting the adapter might improve that for some reason.
I'm guessing it's all in the head design and how it mates with the hammer. Somehow the socket adapter is receiving more power from the hit then the 1/2" drive.
i think the extra weight from the 3/4 socket anvil is giving it a effect like a weighted socket
@@F0XD1E That makes me think, that the really huge socket used in this test here might not be optimal on these small impact drivers. They most likely might be optimised (resonance-wise) for much smaller sockets.
@@abcdefg3386 I think the same. Probably the socket is way to
o big for the tool
Speculation on my part, but my guess is the 1/2" anvil is just an adapter around 1/4" hex with sloppy tolerance and causes quite a bit bounce and torque loss.
If so , that makes perfect sense. Nonetheless this thing is worth about $49 tops
I thought the same and took a look at the tool breakdown. It's not an adapter. I figure it's because of the anvil being hollow but I'm no scientician.
@@BMikeAD that’s my thought as well. Having all the weight on the perimeter of the anvil might increase the load on the motor. I kind of want to see if just filling that 1/4 inch hex while using the 1/2 anvil has a similar affect
Nah, it's strong enough jack up cars with a scissor jack. I love my Bosch impact, hasn't let me down yet.
@@chasehowell5747does this mean your car is stuck on a scissor jack?
Inconceivable! Been selling the Bosch Freaks for years never would have imagined the 1/2" drive could some how make less torque than an adaptor, aren't they designed to have a little give. Still somewhat handy not needing an adaptor and hopefully nobody is using it as a replacement for an actual 1/2" impact wrench. Thanks for opening our eyes, love that we'll be seeing all the impact drivers soon!
i certainly use the gen2 freak to rip the lug nuts off my truck like an actual 1/2 impact
They're designed to have a little give, but with that give comes tension that is expressed as additional force. Because these things "impact" the adapter gets loaded and then as it starts to unload through elasticity into the fastener the adapter is reloaded by the next impact and that cycle continues for every beat. It's a torsional load, so that's why the sockets are expressed using that terminology. Milwaukee calls their impact rated bits "Shockwave" because there is literally a "wave" moving through the bit that is from the "shock" of the impact. Wave theory says they'll sync up and get bigger.
Myself I’ve used both the Bosch dedicated 1/2” Impact Wrench as well as the IDH182 for years. They’ve both worked great on truss with 15/16” bolts, better everyone’s DeWalts of Milwaukee on site. Bolts that others couldn’t loosen of tighten it performed perfectly, that my real situation experience.
@@jakesmith5450 This is the way. The impact wave is amplified as the blows sync up. Gonna need @SmarterEveryDay to use a high-speed camera to verify though.
You ought to be ashamed. The Bauer hf or Walmart garbage is prob stronger
These tests gave me Forest Whitaker eye. lol
I don't know what that means, but it's provocative.
Ptosis.
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I love this channel, everything they do either highlights a good manufacturer claim of torque, but also shows us when they ridiculously claim way higher number than real world use....I am always looking forward to the video breaking down this manufacturers claims..... all manufacturers should be warn, now we got this channel that will set you straight, keep up the good Job testing all these tools, hopefully this will improve a tool brand to be more honest
The hollowed anvil has to be the source of your reduction in power.
Can you guys perform a quick test with a short 1/4 bit inserted into the anvil under the 1/2 socket (adding mass and filling the cavity). A solid 1/4 bit would probably work best.
I hope you guys see this, as I would love to see the data!
But the other impact drivers just have a standard hex chuck anvil - I don't see how the typical hex chuck is going to be heavier(let alone meaningfully so) than a square anvil that's been broached for a hex as well. If anything, these Bosch models should be carrying MORE anvil weight than competing impact drivers that don't have the extra meat to support sockets.
I'm sure there's a mass difference given the awful performance - but I'm pretty sure it's in the hammer if anything. We really need to see one taken apart and compared to a competitor to really know though.
@@RyTrapp0 The problem with your argument is the same tools produced significantly more torque when they were tested with a 1/4 hex adapter.
If the mass difference were in the hammer (common for both modes of torque application in this tool), one would expect the torque delta to scale in the negative direction.
@@TheJnblackwell2007 Like I said, we need to see them apart to have a chance at figuring out what's going on. Best guess for the adapter is that it hit the right resonance range(acting as a spring), but that's just a WAG.
Exact thing I was thinking except I thought making a bit just for doing that and leave it in there .
@@flhusa1 Same. Or rather that it is just allowing for more movement in the hammer strokes. Wonder about something like those 1/2" wheel torque adapters only because of potential losses in the chuck itself.
I've been waiting for a video on these for so long! I love this channel lol
Hey TTC, I have the gen 2 freak and love it for my application. I use it building fence and think that the versatility is perfect because I can put up boards with the quarter inch then hang gates without even taking the bit off before I put on the socket. It also has worked great for me as a compact impact wrench as most of my applications don’t need more than 150 ft/lbs. The battery on Bosch tools is also very good in my opinion. Thanks for the great test!
I love the freak if not just for the combination...not sure if it's patented, but would be great to see on other tool lines...looks like gen 2 is okay, love the dig on Bosch about keychain light 🤣
Why do you like the combo? He just proved it’s more powerful with a adapter
Did we watch the same video lol he basically said it’s trash and worse than black and decker 😂
@@bobufo5729 I meant I liked the dual adapter, not the tool.
yeah i'd love to get dewalts new atomic dcf850 with a combo nose like that. most of what i use an impact for it is automotive work.
@@MrSGL21 just get a impact wrench higher torque
Kinda funny that you have only Bosch in the US, which is blue, while we in Europe have Bosch green (hobby tools) and Bosch Professional (blue, professional tools). The professional tools are really well made (not Chinese unlike the green stuff), more expensive and not as weak as the ones tested here.
The gen 1 and gen 2 are the same Bosch blue tools, out of the same factory as the European tools. The US has different naming due to local marketing, but the products are otherwise identical.
Same with Australia
The made in Malaysia, powerful and well made
you really counteracted your own point
Those new gen 2 1800b is completely different than the 1800c with 3 speed is a beast not the same as single speed my coworker bought and immediately returned because after he used my 3 speed and with 8.0 batteries it can take off lugs on my Silverado with ease
Definitely throw in more DeWalt impact drivers (the current 887, as well as the other models), other Makita models, the Milwaukee M18 brushed, and M18 non-Fuel Brushless impact drivers, also more Ridgid, Ryobi, Metabo, Metabo HPT (Hikoki), Festool, and Hilti.
Great video as always!
I've had the gen 1 for about 3 years now, and it's working great for screws and stuff.
This really explains why it's painfully slow to remove lug nuts on my car, tightened to 120Nm ._.
Edit: There's a new generation containing a new freak, impact driver and impact wrench coming soon in Europe. Maybe a proper improvement?
Also: Could you possibly test the accuracy of torque bars, if that's the english word for it?
(Half inch "torsion rods" you put between your impact and socket to prevent you from overtightening fasteners)
You should test the gen 3. GDX18V-1860CN. Lowe’s item number 3831105. I have one and I can tell there’s definitely more breakaway torque but Bosch claims 275 ft-lbs of breakaway torque in the manual
I mean I could always lend mine if you can’t get one🤷🏼♂️
Is this an even newer model than the one shown? 😮
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Before the gen 1 there were two models, GDX 14,4V-LI and GDX 18V-LI, both brushed with easy access brushes, so Gen 0 I guess?
Gen 2 has two variants, GDX 18V-200 C (or GDX 18V-1800 C in NA), which has two buttons on the base, one for speed selection and the other a light disable button, and a bluetooth connectivity module slot in the handle.
The GDX 18V-200 (resp. 1800) without the C is a cheaper version, which loses the speed selector, light disable and bluetooth module slot.
Then there's the upcoming model GDX 18V-210 C already available in some EU countries (named GDX 18V-1860 C in NA), which probably isn't a whole new gen, it's in the same housing as gen 2, so Gen 2.1 I'd say.
It adds the Auto Bolt Release function and slightly more claimed torque.
I have a gen 2 bosch freak and I love it. I work in a trailer shop and it pulls its own weight plenty and you can even catch me pulling off lugnuts with it all the time
I have the original one bought reconditioned and finally tried it the lugnuts on my vehicle and it loosened them no problem. I tightened them by hand and surprised so I went to other vehicles and it loosened every one I tried it on using without adapter. My other 1/4 drive makitas wouldn't take loose lugnuts so I assumed the Bosch wouldn't either and was surprised.
And it looks like we lied too, no longer price locked at $159, the KIT is currently the best deal: amzn.to/3sdr4P8 So low and I believe we'll be updating the rank chart (222.9 points, still ranked where it is, but maybe defend its position more). At this price, can 100% recommend (Gen 2 *ONLY* )
I wonder if the brush was worn out on the 1.5.
@@Fly2kill1 It's certainly possible. Although if you check our corded impact video, we used a well used brushed Japanese impact wrench from the early 90's and it made what it claimed and a little more.
@@TorqueTestChannel yeah it was probably fine. I didn’t even know about the freak until last year when lowes had a big sale. For $150 kit it’s not a bad deal now.
@@Fly2kill1 that was what it was like out of the box the day I got that it was low powered and I could hold it with my hand and that's why I bought the 1800
@@jacobclaspill1773 very impressive.
Some of These drivers have 3 power settings and you have to turn them up!
Fun fact, when i got mine and used it first time, i was so disappointed because I needed one so badly and I got it as a gift from my dad when I just started working in the auto trade.
2 weeks later i discovered i had been using it on low power the whole time and when i pressed the button to put it up, it made it a beast! I was pulling lug nuts off almost every vehicle with it on the 1/2” adapter
Definitely interested in seeing more impact drivers in the future.
Keep up the great work.
I have the "1.5" - although it's weak, I got it as a kit on half price at lowes. $73 for tool, battery, and charger. It works fairly well for low-power applications like automotive interior/oil change work. I can have both a T25 and a 10/12mm on there at the same time and swap back and forth quickly - good for removing fenderliners/splashpans. Is it super powerful? Hell no. Was it a good value for the price, and has it held up well for what I've needed? Yes. Glad to finally see it on the rank chart.
Reading this hurts my soul, as I seem to have severely overpaid for the same setup.
Damn, I've always had a lot of respect for Bosch. Still do, but maybe more for their appliances and auto parts and not as much their tools!
The Profactor is a tank! The 1st two Freaks... i dont know how they continued to sell enough of these to make a 3rd version, but I'm glad they did.
@@TorqueTestChannel they sold enough in Germany, Asia and all over Europe. i am from Germany, and Bosch in Europe is the synonym for construction and tools. our ethos also is completely different than the American ethos. . the freak was perfect for the European and Asian market.
their tools are good for everything but what you would need monster impacts for. Great for fasteners
@@timmymonte9813, seriously. You don’t seem to understand what impact “wrenches” are used for. First of all let’s look at what Bosch has been selling to lots of unassuming customers…in plain English…Not a Very Good Tool. The Milwaukee M12 Stubby has 4 x the torque as the Bosch Freaks and the M12 3/8” Hex Impact Driver (not an impact wrench, but a 12 volt impact driver has at least twice the amount of torque).
So what is an impact wrench for? Taking lug nuts off of cars, taking a lawnmower blade on and off, driving larger lags, etc…. The Freak couldn’t accomplish any of those tasks and it’s an 18 volt tool.
Fasteners?? I doubt the Freak could even drive a fastener, let alone a lag bolt of any size. You don’t need a monster impact to drive a lag bolt. The Milwaukee M12 Fuel Impact Driver could drive a larger lag bolt and it’s 1/3 of the size of the Freak.
@@martylucas8557 Honestly I use Bosch tools. everyday and don't ever have problems
Nice job guys; You're doing the lords work here.
my first wrench was a Chinese knock off Makita with a hex bit I still use it today for disk brakes and other stuck screws. I have been very tempted to swap the anvils but worried that'd end badly
Having been tempted by the freak and its 1/2 inch feature, i have experimented with this effect a little before returning this freak ang getting a teal one to match my collection lol. You might want to explore different adaptors as it seems that the ''sloppyer'' fits allow more hammer movement giving it more time to accelerate and impart force. It also seems to run at a lower frequency with an adaptor.
The square drive must be flexing like a torque stick. The adapters sit deeper into the anvil mechanism, so the geometry and material properties are a little better. That's all I've got - it's a pretty surprising result, for sure 👍
That is an interesting thought. My first reaction was that the square drive on the tool might just be smaller than the adapter's and that slop was wasting power.
I found with the Gen 2 work much better with small sockets, i was able to take off bolts that where torqued down to 250ft-lbs with orange lock-tight. I feel it has a smaller anvil and the blows get absorbed into the larger sockets.The sockets get noticably warmer than when i use my pneumatic (1/2" blue-point), even when the bolt are quickly removed. My guess is the 1/4" adaptor is "bouncing" the impact so it applying it smoother allowing the torque to be passed on rather than absorbing it, turning it into heat.
Would be cool to see a thermal test
This is why this channel is great. Saves people a lot of money on tools that don’t work as advertised.
At least I now know to use my extension to hopefully get the mower blades off the spindle. VERY underwhelmed by the lack of power in my Freak in "heavy" applications. I thought it was something wrong with the battery. Glad this popped up in my feed!! Thanks.
"Theoretically these should be worse...but, can it even get worse?" LMAO 🤣
Love to see how the milwaukee surge compares, as well as the lineup of ryobi drivers. Thanks for the tests guys👍🏻
See the flex episode for the surge. It doesn't dyno
0:48 Also known as the GDX 18V-Li here in Europe.
I have that one myself. And for my diy jobs at home, it is quite adequate. Mine runs at full speed quite a bit from fully depressed, yours must be faulty...
Btw, you DID put it on its highest setting, right?
My best guess is, that the small anvil struggles with delivering it's power to that in comparison giant socket and bolt losing more energy in deformation and heat generation, while the little flex in the adpater helps buffer that energy and deliver it to the socket more smoothly.
Can you try sticking only the tail of a broken adapter, then putting a socket on the 1/2 square drive. Just curious if the tool can sense there is a bit in the hex drive, so it pumps more juice.
I have been using a Gen1 since the drop. I do HVAC so Ive used the socket option a couple times. It drives tin screws better than a dewalt.
Regarding low numbers for gen1. There’s a flaw in tool body that prevents button from being pushed all the way down. You can feel it by rattling the button from side to side - you should notice tool speed changing.
This can easily be fixed, by removing extra material with modeling knife, the numbers should improve.
Ps. Sorry for poor English. It’s not my native language.
I think the adapter advantage is in it's elasticity. It accumulates some torque on its length before releasing it to the bolt.
You can check if this is true with a longer adapter
On other tools the adapter has lost power though interestingly
The square taper anvil is deforming when used with a socket because the center has been drilled out for the hex. If you weld a hex bit into the anvil to fill the hole, it'll make up the difference.
I was thinking when id see a new vid in my feed from you and just like that the popup showed up. Pleasure as always Sir
How do you guys not have more subs yet? That's what I want to know. As someone that loves to nerd out over the specs of my tools I love your channel
I'm sure they'll keep growing at a decent rate since their doing an excellent job and keep getting better. But the first 50,000 subscribers I'd say is usually the hardest where their getting their channel established. They'll be one of the top tool channels before long.
True that!
@@towboatjeff Without a doubt, I can't imagine them not making it into the high 6 figures at least
The first European generation (GDX 18V-EC) had a design flaw. You could not pull the trigger completely because a part of the housing was in the way and prevented “full power”. Was resolved in mid 2017.
May I recommend you add a second or two on the timer so that you can start the timer and get both your hands on the tool. Love the tests.
They do, when there's enough torque to justify it.
I had always thought impacts were primarily used for removing things and thus reverse would be their strong suit.
If you are talking traditional air impacts, yes. Impacts like these are primarily designed for driving wood fasteners. More or less the same physics, different application.
Maybe if you're a mechanic, but all other trades are constantly installing new stuff without taking old crap apart
Loving the channel guys.
But I believe the first model of this tool was the Brushed GDX 18 V-LI
Funnily enough Oz tool talk got the same, better results with an adapter 🤷♂️
The hybrid hex-square drive clearly can't transmit power through the square with an unloaded hex without significant losses; probably why nobody else makes these kinds of tools. At 1:19 you even show Bosch marketing material where they have a hex bit inside of the socket, I think this needs to be tested, it's a stupidly asinine requirement, but it's probably the tools' best case scenario. I also have a feeling the older tools definitely have some wear and tear on them, especially with that gen1 with the bad trigger; plus the fact that you can hold the socket still in your hand while the tool is running may be implicative of a weak spring on the anvil, though I don't think any of us actually know what the original spec of that spring is meant to be.
That’s weird how these numbers are, I was going to get a brand new kit w/ battery, charger on E bay for $79 , I think I don’t want one now,…thanks, I bought a Dewalt 1/2 12v and it’s awesome….you can buy adapters for it to do everything, even put a chuck on it and drill…👍🏻
In my experience with the Gen 1 Brushless on over torqued lug nuts, a dewalt socket adapter would not break them free, but socket on anvil would. I repeated the test a bunch of times by torquing them down again to like 90lbs.
I noticed a little more output using the six amp hr battery on the Gen1. that being said. It will barely remove my lug nuts on Honda accord torqued to 87 lbs. I never had a problem driving screws or lags and most of the time I have it set on The lowest setting. I did finally purchased the Bosch GDS 1000 to break and axel nut loose. that worked great and that was without the special sauce batteries.
I use a 1.5 regularly for automotive work, I expected it to rank a little lower, I wanted a lower torque impact so I don't break stuff and if I have to use a breaker bar so I don't strip things thats OK, I say this because of some of the scenarios I've used this tool in would gave never broke anything loose based on your test, i.e. lug nuts and crank bolts are both torqued higher than that. I just pulled an engine last weekend and didn't hiccup once, so I find it strange...
Personally I love the IDH182 model for it’s design, the 3 lights, and the pistol grip. It’s has worked on location better than the Milwaukee’s and DeWalts some of my crew use. Used the 2.0 Freak GDX in some was it is actually better, but I still prefer the 1st Gen design. Having extensively use the Bosch Impacts they works from fine work to heavy duty admirably. With the ratcheting ability I’ve never broken or over tightened or broken a screw. Also the CORE batteries are superior, the test be what it may I’ve used these tools and been impressed.
I bought a combo kit with the Gen 2, a hammer drill, 2 4AHr batteries, the charger and a bag for ~$150 about 4-5 months ago(I think?). Been great for just working on my truck. Granted, I actually use a torque wrench when I'm putting the lug nuts on, but it never really has a problem taking them off... so long as I'm on the highest mode. Made that mistake once. The batteries at least last a long time, in my use case. Still nice to see actual numbers after getting flac from my mechanic step-dad for buying Bosh, who insisted they made terrible tools.
I had to slap my gen 1 in the vice to get the socket off
I do own the bosch freak 2@GDX 18V 200 C, and after using it for few electrical & DIY projects I am quitr satisfied with it's performance. Not really powerful like its competitors but it gets the job done, won't accidentally destroy screw heads/nut threads and "slow start" option offers better control during screwdriving esp. for those who aren't used to high-rpm impact drivers. Just avoid using it for automotive jobs
most likely reason for the performance difference is the dissipation of the impact force due to the extra length of the 1/2" square relative to the 1/4" hex, the impact gun itself produces the same torque, to test this just put an extension on any driver and observe the loss.
Thanks for the video long overdue on the freak line!
Only thing I can think of, is the adapter adds a bit of mass, like a power socket does. Maybe the anvil is just so small in these, that even the very small amount of mass (and diameter) of the adapter is still enough to cause a pretty healthy change?
Would love to see you guys put the M12 Fuel stubby 1/2" impact wrench up against the M18 Fuel 1/2" compact impact. I've heard they're very, very similar in torque output and would love to see a proper test done. If I can put off buying into the M18 battery system a little longer I'd be fine with that since I have tons of M12 tools and batteries.
I believe both's performance are covered here: th-cam.com/video/bQQXtXydYL4/w-d-xo.html The M12 made some gains over the M18's curve enough that their performance is basically the same. We like he M12 more
@@TorqueTestChannel well shoot, and this is why you guys rule haha. Had no idea you already covered this one. Thanks!
I have the Gen 1 at work. We have lots of bolts that need at least 145 Nm. Never a problem when I check with my torque wrench. And without the adapter. Other than that, 7 years of abuse on building sites and still working good. And something wrong with the trigger on the one you borrowed.
I have a m12 brushed Bosch driver from way back- it is weak by today's standards but....it's a tough SOB. Still works after all these years.
Would really love to see the makita sub compact 18v line in here. I've gotten where I use mine more than the full sized version and I "believe" they punch well above their weight class. It clearly isn't as powerful as the full sized version, but it doesn't disappoint for what it does.
That Dewalt adapter created some kind of anomaly achieving an optimal rhythmic impact pattern producing less torque loss rather than more torque. Quite an interesting observation!
One has to assume it has to do with mass and resonance, right? Because the Milwaukee with an adapter makes less
Would you be able to compare an impact wrench with its stock anvil and compare with dual-use anvil that can be bought on eBay to see if it affects power?
I know these are sold for the Makita XWT17Z
I have the the Bosch IDH-182, and the socket retention depends on much weaker than you let on, especially for deep inpact sockets over 7/8 inch.
I bet the driver receiver is directly driven by the hammer and anvil, whereas the wrench end is a separate piece of metal being driven by the driver receiver (hard to eloquently explain that). But point is, the additional point of slop between the impact driver receiver and the wrench end messes up the dynamics of the hammer and anvil.
Those where an upgrade option on the Bob The Builder tool bench kit, circa 2005. My son broke the driver while smacking it with the plastic fake screwdriver.
Will be using my Bosch 1800 with 1/4 adapters from now on for more BEANS! Cant even complain as I got mine on sale for $55 with the 4ah 21700 Core! battery...
Never cared about a huge amount of torque. As a mechanic I loved it, especially the 6/13mm drive combo.
I guess that explains why I was riding the struggle bus trying to drive some lags into railroad ties. I wonder if Bosch's other traditional
impact drivers stack up.
Imagine if we could have the Flex or Milwaukee with that anvil. But no, the single greatest feature an impact tool could have is only on an average at best tool.
Bosch why would you go from 2 lights by the anvil to 3 and then completely mess the 3rd one up by putting the light down on the bottom. The impact itself is an awesome tool but the placement of the light for what I need it for... That why I have Makita now.
Some of the Gen 2 freaks have a pin hole hog ring collet. Meant for pin retaining sockets and O rings. Interested in seeing the difference in torque between the pinned sockets and non pinned/adapter attached or hog ringed.
I’ve got the non Freak Gen 1 version along with the drill. Use it mostly as a driver for deck screws where it’s performed admirably with the same 4 ah lithium batteries for the last 4 years. As an impact driver…can confirm, pretty much zero beans. Break out the Matco.
great for tapcons and fasteners
I have two of the 1.5 drivers, one for work and home. I've known for a while that they were much weaker than advertised (I got 90 ft/lb out of mine) but it is great for driving/loosing screws and smaller bolts. I use it frequently with a 1/2 ratchet too on large bolts to save spinning the bolts. I have the heavy duty rigid for anything this cannot do. I may get the gen two, it sounds like it would be perfect for passenger tire lug nuts.
Bosch just announced their Gen4 version a few days ago. It is model GDX18V-1860CN and claims 1860 in-lbs (155 ft-lb). They are actually releasing THREE versions of this tool: impact driver with 1/4" hex (GDR18V-1860C), impact wrench with 1/2" square (GDS18V-1860C), and "Freak" with both (GDX18V-1860C). All three tools share the same user manual and advertise the same 1860 in-lbs. Given the strange results you got with the hex vs. square drive, it would sure be interesting to test these three seemingly identical tools to see how if they differ. I'm guessing you'll at least test the new "Freak" version when it arrives to see how it compares to the first three generations you tested in this video. Great video - great channel! Thanks!
Edit: I just looked at Lowes and the Gen4 is in stock at my local store.
By the way, I have the Gen1 IDH182B. I recall that there was an issue with the triggers on the Gen1 brushless Bosch tools and I have sent in a couple for warranty repair. They replaced the trigger with an updated part. Given the poor trigger feeling you observed on your test tool, I wonder if the lower than expected results you got from the Gen1 could possibly be related?
Are you sure Lowes has one. Looks like it was announced and barely has 1 or 2 pictures released
@@TorqueTestChannel Yes, it is Lowes item #3831105. All the stores around me show that they have it in stock (in store). There is also an Amazon listing, B09DZYR8N9 - but it is not in stock yet.
The early ones are probably as powerful as my 18v green 1/4 hitachi. Good for screws and stuff, but not a heavy hitter. I can hold the socket keeping it from spinning fairly comfortably.
I have the brush model (GDX18V-1600). After seeing this video, I used an adapter to remove wheel nuts on my car. (it's winter tire season around here). In the spring, my driver was able to remove nuts, but barely. So this time I used an adapter thinking it would be better. I couldn't remove a single nut using the adapter. Then I removed the adapter and it worked. I have no explanation, but as far as I'm concerned, the adapter isn't helping at all.
Why don’t you ever do real drills/impacts like Bosch 12v??! Would love to see the different torque differences for the different sized batteries. So refined, durable and small compared to the less interesting m12. The fat grip m12s kill me also.
Great video 👍 👌 👍 now we know the true performance of these tools
I have the new model freak. I am a carpenter and still much prefer to use a drill driver, because of the noise and versatility, I have to carry my tools quite far sometimes. But I do find this very handy, its ergonomics and control are super and the convenience of just putting a socket is very useful. I don't need tones of power for the occasional coach bolt o a gate hinge.
I would like to see some 12v head to heads as I think they would probably suit my needs even more.
I heard about Problems with the switch on Bosch Impacts, they jam before you got the full rpm and than you don't reach max torque! Maybe try again and concentrate on the switch, that it makes the full travel.
It might be interesting to build a battery dyno.
Are 5Ah batteries really 5Ah? Who stores the most energy?
How much power can you get out of a battery?
Greetings. I think your findings are pretty much inline with my experience using Bosch. If I worked on a job site or in a garage and I did repetitive tasks I would go with Flex or Milwaukee probably. I have to do remote tech work and Bosch allows me to travel lighter while also accomplishing like 95% of tasks. For the 5% I bought the 1330cn profactor and have been super happy. The best part is; if I occasionally have work on an active job site no one steals my batteries lol
Another issue I find with companies like this that are part of a much larger corporation, is the exaggeration of Wattage.
I use my gen 1 for DIY Automotive work and it does everything that I needed to including suspension bolts and old lug nuts on aluminum rims no socket adapter
Hard to test "Max torque" with modern tools because the torque will be controlled and probably ramped up till there is a slip.
Love the Gen 2 .. well built, long lasting and does more than enough power, not concerned with being out of control fast like some.
The Gen 1 and 1.5 are old news as far as I'm concerned. They may not gave been as impressive as stated, but if there's a Statute of Limitations in tools, I'd say they've reached it.
It's interesting that the anvil can't get full power. I've been debating on jumping back into the Bosch line. I guess that makes the decision easier on whether to go with the regular driver or the Freak. Also, as far as the Feeak goes, I don't think that it was ever meant to step in as an impact wrench. The anvil is simply there to make it easier to go back and forth between 1/4 drivers and sockets.
This vid has some serious lock picking lawyer vs master lock vibes lol
Once again, another phenomenal video. Keep up the good work
I stopped trusting Bosch a while back. Last purchase I had from them was an expensive heat gun with digital controls, came with unopened, sealed box, but tool itself had oxidation and nozzle had yellowish tint from heat (as if it was second hand.) I don’t know what’s wrong with their QC nowadays. I’m donating my old chargers and batteries if my Bosch impact driver goes tits up one day.
Are you guys going to get around to the GDX or GDS series? I like my Milwaukee tools but hate the batteries. The quality of the Bosch batteries Seems a lot better and I am considering switching but idk if the tools are strong enough to justify.
I’m wondering I the 1/2” deep socket is just too much mass, and the impacts are getting dampened within the socket You add elasticity when you add the adapter, so it separates the mass from the drive, and allows the impacts to fully cycle. Be interesting to see if you went with the smallest 1/2” socket you can find and retry, I’d be betting it would be better.
I like your theory. Bigger impacts like their mass but maybe a small impact is opposite
Man, these memorable model numbers! It's like they threw a cat at a keyboard and then, being German, had to add the torque spec or else risk being stripped of their Germanity.
Not sure about other brands, but always consider that Bosch has D.I.Y. tools (GREEN) and Professional tools (BLUE).
If possible, pick the BLUE ones if there is a choice.
This is a common problem when companies list the technical specs of the parts inside the unit, and not their combined specs, which would be less.
The extra torque with the adapter could be because of the backlash between the adapter and the socket giving the motor a little more time to accelerate to its "full power".
I would like to see the Kobalt XTR Impact Driver, I have one and it is quite nice IMO. Seeing it be tested against Milwaukee and it's brother Flex would be nice.
Oh yeah, that's a must!
Maybe it can be taken a step further by stuffing a piece of cut hex stock in the anvil (to use the _anvil)_ before putting a socket on so that none of the impact is lossed through the 1/4" hex