Ranger Raptor? - Is it Worthy of the name?
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- This week, we talk about the my thought on the Ranger Raptor and we answer the questions. Is the new Ranger Raptor really a Raptor?
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Considering the Ranger Raptor world release (180 countries!), for example the Aussie market (1yr+ already).... thinking/assume the design (including width/tire size) is aligned with markets other than CONUS too (including regulations for production vehicles). There are many Australian reviews noting it's considered a light truck and not commercial, etc. The massive market and most popular worldwide segment (mid-size pickup) may have caused what we consider 'conversative' design (including wheel travel). Here in AZ, occasionally run into first time visitors to the US that are simply shocked by the size of our daily vehicles. Gulliver's Travels for sure!
That is a great point. The f150 is mainly an Americas vehicle. The Ranger is world wide and has to meet world wide standards so the smaller everything makes sense
Thanks for the video! Great viewpoint
Thanks
I'm not sure why you hounded the outside to edge of mirrors dimensions when the track width is what matters to your point. According to the graphic you showed, track width is 4" wider than a standard ranger.
This is correct. They are noticeably wider.
You are looking at overall width, that's with the mirrors, you have to look at tire width, or width without mirrors. The track width is wider than the standard 6g ranger, but still not much.
Yeah it’s maybe 3-4 inch max and still don’t explain the dismal travel numbers.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad someone posted it on the Ranger 6g forum. I think it's like 1.5" over stock per side that the control arms are. I'm superdannyboy on there and on 5g.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadnothing that SVC can’t fix
That’s not exactly true. SVC like many shops, don’t have any Ranger Raptor plans. Just like they have not released a bronco Raptor mid travel kit. That platform is hard to upgrade and get more without relocation a ton of critical components. Elevating the cost of solutions. So you’ll see stock travel upgrades like arms and shocks. But increased travel is tough without major expensive work.
I have one and I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I've been driving it off and onroad for 3 months and it way exceeds my expectations. You should try get your hands on the media car to take it for a drive before writing it off as not worthy of the raptor name. And comparing it to the ZR2 saying it's not as capable because of the .6 of an inch more suspension travel is kinda ridiculous. And talking power numbers all I have to say about that is, take it for a drive and then drive the ZR2 and Tacoma. Chalk and cheese comparison.
Definitely not saying it won’t perform. But the ZR2 is better on paper with the bison package. 35s with bump stops from the factory with just a smidge of extra travel makes it the better offroader.
Raptor should be class leading in every category and not trail any other manufacturer. It should have the most suspension travel and most horsepower.
If you look at the promo clips ford barely showed it articulating the suspension. Not like when the f150 Raptor and bronco Raptor was launched. I know the areas where they filmed the Ranger Raptor here in Johnson valley. Very tame and mostly flat lakebed shots. The US launch was not great and IMO while understand this has to be smaller because it’s a world wide platform, in the US it does not live up to the name.
The last two videos have been great! I'm waiting for you to get a Gen 3 so I can get new ideas 💡 for mods😊
Thanks man. Most things we upgrade on the gen1 or Gen2 cross over to the 3. Specially anything to the front end. Linked rear end obviously is different but have not seen the mid travel kits come out yet for the Gen3. Once they do we will start to check them out and feature them here
Does anyone know if it has the same Hd axles and diff that are in the Bronco Raptor?
For the suspension travel, I suppose they use the Wildtrak Hoss 3.0 system which is a step below the Bronco Raptor Hoss4.0
But it is wider than a standard Ranger…
Mirror to mirror all Rangers are the same width; 2,208mm (86.9”).
Fender to fender, a standard Ranger is 1,918mm (75.5”). The Ranger Raptor on the other hand is 2,028mm (79.8”), so the Raptor is 110mm (4.3”), wider than a standard Ranger.
An F150 XLT or Lariat (or most of them), is 2,030mm (79.9”) wide; fender to fender.
So a Ranger Raptor has close track width (1,710mm; 67.3”) as an F150 (1,725mm; 67.9”).
2mm narrower than an F150, 15mm narrower track than an F150. The Ranger Raptor is wide compared to a standard Ranger.
But still does not explain the low suspension travel numbers. Bronco is getting more travel with the same frame width. Now mind you the Bronco raptor is as wide as a Raptor, but ford could have gotten more suspension travel from the truck and made it class leading. Right now the ZR2 beats it and when you add the Bison package, that right there with the factory hydraulic bumps is a proper capable rig.
Great video! I am in the market for a new off road midsize truck and so far from what I’m seeing and liking the Ranger Raptor is my favorite choice for now until I get to see it in person and test drive it. I will be giving it a 2 1/2” lift.
Please don’t lift a Raptor. Even though this is not a true Raptor, a lift kit will only take away more of the truck’s capabilities. You can’t jump a truck with a lift. The lift can’t take it and will collapse. Most lifts are for show and some are for rock crawling. They are not designed to take the stress of fast off-roading. If your plan is to take it slow, then you’re fine. But if you plan to hit desert trails or Baja at speed, don’t give it a lift.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yeah I’m too old for that and after paying $60k no way I’m I in a hurry to ruin it! LoL thank you
Ford clearly wanted the RR to fill that daily driver role while still being a more than capable off-road rig. Whether it “deserves” the Raptor badge is of course a matter of opinion. It’s still a beast of truck no matter how you cut it. Your only gripes seem to be lack of suspension and it’s width.
Yeah it is. But the argument that can be made is that suspension is what makes a raptor. It’s not the engine or the tech. It’s the suspension and what it can do offroad. Raptor have always been at the top of their segments in terms of capabilities. The Ranger is not and that’s why I don’t think it’s deserving of the name. But it’s the most widely available Raptor. More than the f150 and the Bronco that can be sold worldwide wide. So I get it. Just wish Ford went all out like they did for the Bronco and f150
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoadwish you were in Australia, I'd let you drive mine and It would change your opinion in a heartbeat.
Will definitely be trying to get behind the wheel of once when I can.
Also being designed in Aus ford Australia have been using watts link suspension in rear ends since the 70s.
Just started my lunch break, let's gooo
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It was designed for Australia. In Australia it is market leading because we don't get ZR2, Bronco, f150 Raptors or other hardcore off-road options. It is by far and away Australia's most hard core option and in my opinion makes it worthy, over here at least.
Yeah, it’s definitely a more worldwide version of the raptor. So I get that. But it could have been better IMO
Watts linkage and 4 links has been used in various suvs over the years. I prefer this over the panhard but it may limit travel a little more.
Travel being limited would be my worry. It looks like it could bind while articulating on the slow stuff. I’ve never seen it before and looks interesting
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Yep. The Watts link moves directly up/down within its given design and will bind past the extremes. The panhard moves sideways and more so at the extremes. So for the same width, panhard will allow more travel at the expense of some sideways motion.
It would be interesting to do a video on the quality issues Ford and Chevy have been having with the Bronco Raptor Motor and the ZR2. I also hope Toyota does a better job with the Tacoma then they did the Tundra. The Tundra has been having all kind of fitment issues. Also wonder what the gas mileage on the Ranger Raptor will be. The Tacoma hybrid motor coming out next year is the same motor they are putting in the new Land Cruiser and that vehicle is supposed to get 27mpg. Never really worried about mpg before but my 2012 Raptor is a thirsty beast. Doesn’t help I have Kook headers, exhaust and tuned lol.
Quality across the board is an issue for all the manufacturers right now. With Toyota you at least know you’re getting a reliable power train. But their quality has severely decreased with fit and finish and interior trim. The Tacoma build quality of late has been embarrassing. All due to penny pinching and you saw it in the tundra as well. But you don’t hear about it as much because the fan boys are so loud about tue Toyota reliability. To the point that they sound brainwashed and completely blind to issues.
Ford and GM guys are not like that and are very loud about the good and bad with their setups. So maybe that’s a good video to research and do and shine a light on the declining quality in the industry.
Ok mate. I’ve got one in Aus, it’s 110mm wider then a standard ranger, it’s designed in Australia, for Australia and SA primarily considering you guys get the big trucks. It’s a weapon of a car and I have owned heaps of fourbies, this one is my favourite by far. In stock form they are extremely capable. The Ute is more designed for high speed stuff rather then rock climbing etc.
Very cool to hear.
Also this car handles better then any “truck” on road I have ever driven. You can literally throw it into corner, also think about where you spend more time driving?
I don’t hate it. Should be a fun little truck. My Gen 2 Raptor got me in some sticky situations on trails in Kansas and Colorado (not to mention almost getting stuck in an automatic carwash once). Something smaller would sure get to more places than my truck. I agree that the other manufacturers already have some tough competition against it though
Mid size truck segment is pretty tough. Toyota dominates it here in the US and they all trying to get a larger piece of market. I think if Ford gave it the proper Raptor treatment and went for class leading performance in all segments like they did with the f150, they would have had something that could finally take on the Tacoma. But I think they chose easier manufacturing and penny pinching over class leading.
Solid points. Seems like they are doing what most are that’s maximizing the name plate for sales, which in turn to the real people they see just how fake and a sell out that method is. Like you said. Name it Tremor and make your money. Really puts a stink on the truck/name. Ram needs to come out with their Dakota already. Put the inline 4 and then maybe a baby TRX and put the new hurricane in it? I hope I’m not dreaming. That would be such a Mopar thing to do. Here’s for wishing!
Would be badass if they did. So far we know the TRX will comeback with the hurricane. A TRX mid size truck would be awesome to compete with the zr2 and the Ranger
Seems like itll be a great Tremor Ranger 💯
Yeah, as a tremor ranger it’s badass.
I think Ford did an awesome job with the Ranger Raptor (for me). Having a truck that fits on tight trails is key for our use. I’ve had 2 gen 2 raptors.
I get why the size was kept. But at the same time I wish it was class leading. Raptor should lead the class in all aspects
33s is already considered huge in our side of the market. Making it bigger would just be too much for some. Narrower streets and also height clearances of most parkings are not that high. This raptor is obviously designed with the entire international market in mind.
Very true.
I wonder what the average speed was on the Ranger Raptor at the 2022 Baja 1000. I think they finished and won in the stock midsize. They didn’t taco it like GM did
I bet it was not too fast. Just enough to finish without missing the cutoff. And typically without any competition, a class all to itself. That’s how GM had done it in the past too. These winds are typically pretty hollow when you actually research them. It would be great if they all competed every year so we can have some real competition. But right not it seems like they intentionally only enter when they have the race class to themselves
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad It looks like they finished in 26 hours and 21 minutes for a overall finish of 83 out of 136 that finished the race.
You are spot on bro 🫡
Thanks man
Thanks bruuh
Make a video on the wranlger 392 I want your opinion
Not sure people want a video that’s honest on that rig 🤣🤣 it’s basically a Jeep either way a big v8 and none of the things that make a rubicon a great rock crawler.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad what does the rubicon 392 lack that the 3.6L V6 rubicon have?
Mainly it’s in the axles. When the 392 first came out they could not fit a Dana 44 under the v8, so it got the smaller Dana 35 axles. So if your wanted to seriously offroad it that’s one of the first thing that needed upgrading. Most would do a lower trim Sahara with the Dana 35s and go wild with Dana 60s. That’s not really an option with the 392 because of the price. It’s already too expensive to upgrade it further and unless you are really really well off. So out of the box from the factory a regular rubicon is more stout and ready for the trails than the 392
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yeah a Dana 35 would be weird, so they ended up putting a 3rd Gen Dana 44 in front and back in the JL392’s. You should drive one with a aftermarket suspension, I want you opinions on that rig.
Just need to find someone willing to let me drive theirs. That’s always the hard part
Disappointed to hear this about the Ranger Raptor. I was considering it but not now. Thank u for the information.
Trust me get one mate, you won’t regret it
suspension numbers often quoted for the ranger raptor is 11.4 inches in the front and 9.8 inches in the rear. YES, the front has more travel. Now I don;t know why that is, or if these numbers are correct, but they seem much better compared to what you saw for the front. not sure what to say about the back though... maybe it's because the watts link :/
Can you send a link on where you saw that? Based on the jump pics, the rear has more travel than the front you can see way more droop. I think the numbers have to be flipped. But ford did not announce officials numbers here in the US
Somehow my comments with links don't get posted here, or deleted. I guess youtube has some problems with links. Anyways, it is easily googleable, for example a "race dezert" piece about 2024 ranger raptor: "The 2024 Ranger Raptor is Finally Here".
What's funny is that after your comment, when I looked up the info, I saw a motortrend article, which states different, more "common" numbers for ranger raptor:
"As with all other Raptors, the suspension travel is greatly increased from the mainstream 2024 Ford Ranger's 5.2 inches of jounce and 3.9 inches of rebound in front and 5.0/3.8 rear to the Raptor's 5.2/4.8 front and 6.5/5.0 rear-or 1.4 inch more front and 2.7 inch more rear total travel."
This is more along the lines what you said previously and I too, agree - from everything I've seen the rear should have more travel compareed to the front. ALSO, 10 inches in the front and 11.5 in the rear ain't too shaby though. My father got the non european or middle eastern version with full 397 HP about three weeks ago and has only traveleld about 400kms in it, but from what very little seat time I got in it, the teuck just feels wonderful over broken up asphalt and speed bumps 😂😂
That’s good to know. Just wish ford gave it the proper treatment. Raptor should be class leading in all aspects. Not be number 2 to Chevys ZR2.
And yeah man. YT comments don’t like links. All last year I kept getting comments with links to dirty or scam sites so YT cracked down.
I am very fond of my Gen1 F150 Raptor. But I'm from Europe and any time someone appears to show interest in my vehicle, as soon as I tell them what it is they say "yes, we have them over here as well. Good looking little truck" That is what Raptor means there. The suspension, the engine, the SVT badge, the LEGEND is now a sticker on a ranger. I know I'm overly negative, as it is not a bad truck, but I would have preferred the Tremor badge more.
Agree man. It’s why I did not do this video when the Ranger raptor launched. The Ranger Raptor was a letdown. So you’re not alone.
If you F-150 Raptor guys are butthurt with the Raptor name on a Ranger.
At least your precious nameplate has not gotten completely molested ( at least not yet! ) like the Mustang nameplate has.🫣
( How do you think it feels for the Coyote equipped Mustang crowed let alone the Shelby one. When some none car guy on his EV. Says he also got a Mustang and GT as well!🤣
Im a Bronco owner but if I can fit 37s with a 3 inch lift on the Ranger Raptor in a couple years might switch cause its way cheaper than the Bronco Raptor.
I like it and have one on order. On Fords website the overall width including mirrors is 86.7 on all models. The overall track width on the standard Ranger is 63.8 and Ranger Raptor is 67.3
Hmm so why is the suspension travel numbers so low?
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I have no clue. All I know for sure is I’m taking mine to 74 weld as soon as I get it. It’s getting portals and 37” Toyo mts.
Another quick question BFG KM3 or Toyo MT
I think the control arms are 1.5" wider per side and the fenders are 1.75" wider per side. Get SVC to use your truck to design and fab a kit lol
@@d_333 With the track record of Bronco I might be waiting a year. Lol plus SVC still doesn’t have a mid travel system for the Bronco and it been out for 3 years.
I agree ☝🏼
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The 33's and $55k price tells me this is supposed to be the everyman's Raptor. It's similar to what Toyota is doing with the Land Cruiser name....making the brand more accessible to more folks, but keeping the $$ versions for those that aspire for more.
You must remember that every country outside the US this thing is a huge jump you chaps have just gotten used to nicer toys than us
🤣 maybe. This is more of a worldwide truck.
I hear you. You make a strong argument. Specs are a big part of the picture but so is the overall experience which is harder to quantify. What we do all know is that competition is good for the consumer and the RR can only get better. Probably my pick for an upcoming purchase
Market competition is fierce in that segment for sure and everyone is trying to take down the Tacoma. I personally feel like the taco has no soul it’s not fun to drive, it’s not particularly good looking, it’s just reliable. The zr2 and the Ranger at least stand out with the new versions in terms of capabilities, tech and styling. But based on what I’ve seen on the trails and the little footage ford released, the ZR2 with the bison package would be my pick.
Ranger Raptor is a watered down Raptor. Like an M340i isn’t an M3.
🤣🤣 nailed it!! Always hate when they delete the budges too make it look like they have the m3.
Ranger Raptor is 3” wider than the standard Ranger. You were looking at the width including mirrors. The width excluding mirrors is 3” wider. That’s a major flaw with the premise of your video
Not really. The suspension travel numbers is what matters and even with the extra width, the travel numbers are way low 🤷♂️ and still don’t deserve the Raptor name. This is a tremor at best.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad I'd say it's between a tremor and raptor, an earthquake
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Also I was going the ZR2 route but after owning 3 of them and seeing all the bs going wrong I decided to try another ford. I test a lot of vehicles and own a lot of vehicles. I flew over seas to test drive the ranger Raptor. I was pretty impressed , but EVERYONE has different needs and expects different things from their trucks. Am I saying the ford is the best …NO ! But if your spending your hard earned money on a off road truck get what suits your needs and makes you happy. All of the vehicles you mentioned will all have their short comings.
What issues did you have with the ZR2? I know a few guys running them and seen some of the issues they’ve had. Even seen the guys that had the airbags deploy on tame stuff. What issues have you experienced?
7 blown shock’s , total of 5 head units , 3 steering shafts , all 3 had the dreaded transmission issues.
Wow man. I thought GM quality had improved. That’s a lot of issues
cant wait for the mustang raptor 😂😂
🤣🤣 you know it’s coming.
a part came loose at minute 3:43 it seems
Are you talking about the shot of the watts link from the back?
Not the watts link -- its a part at top middle left of the image.. Its looks like a slip connector and you can see 2 pieces that look like they should be connected. Can't make out what it is.. @@KeepItDirtyOffRoad
Not sure what you’re talking about man. I’ve been looking at the shot in slow mo and the only thing that looks out of place is the tire carrier. Spare tire is removed so the bit that holds it is curled all the way up and moving around a lot. Where is the bit your talking about? Is it on the rear axle? Or the frame?
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad OK understood, Its the spare tire holder thats dangling... Thanks for the clarification man.... Loves your videos... Keep em coming...
Just get a Ranger XLT and get aftermarket suspension, a Ford Performance Tune. You’ll have a truck just as good, if not better and save thousands.
At this price point you could find a used Gen1 with a mid travel kit and have a beast more of a truck for off-roading.
Yea I'm fond of the mid size trucks since they are lighter and more nimble. Get an XLT with bolt on arms, fiberglass, and you can haul ass lol
Just finished watching your vid. You are right, not worthy. It's great for the street. They dropped the ball on the suspension. The Ranger Raptor engineer said they put 33's to prevent hitting the fenders. Well it should have wider fenders with a higher arch and push 12" of travel front and rear. At the end of the day prerunners with bolt on mid travel kits are still better but Ford will eventually catch up, just look at the F150 Raptor to see the trend. Definitely will be looking at the Gen 3 Ranger Raptor. Pass on this one. Thanks for the vid.
At the very least they should be leading the class in power and suspension to call it a raptor. This is just a let down when the competition has better numbers AND 35s
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad yep they left A LOT on the table
I think you are being to harsh on it.
#1 It comes with 400hp twin turbo V6 that can easily be tuned up to 500hp. It is more exciting vehicle from engine power and performance standpoint then the competition.
#2 The frame is close to the same as the one in the Bronco Raptor. So most likely capable to take what 99% of owners will put it through.
#3
Not long ago a 2.5 Fox live valve shock was considered good enough for the F-150 Raptor. And with little bit trickery from SDI can be made to become even more capable. I am sure SDI will release similar upgrades for the Ranger Raptor along with their leveling cups. ( I am sure fitting 35" won't become an issue then )
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It dimensions are overall much better for off&roading then the F-150 Raptor. And wider is far from be always better whether off road or daily mall crawling.
Of course Ford doesn't want it to become as good as F-150 Raptor. But I feel it got the bones to become possible better. Just like Porsche doesn't want the Cayman to be better then 911. In spite it has the potential to become one with it mid engine layout.
I am sure for most owners the Ranger Raptor suspension travel will be more then sufficient enough, not least with SDI upgrades.
@@Suomyice you sound like you don't understand what's fast off-road. A little 1.6 liter inline 4 without a turbo would be faster than this with the proper suspension. And yes wider is better, the wider the control arms the more suspension travel you have. Needs bump stops, more travel, bigger tires, and then you can get more power.
I get it. Ford can’t make it upstage the F150 Raptor. But in this case, the size of the shock don’t matter as much as the stroke of the shocks. If the overall travel is 9 inches. Stroke can’t be more than 4-5inches. Whole SDI can make the truck perform better, there are limits. For me, I was hoping this was close to the bronco raptor. At the very least 35s and maybe similar suspension travel.
I am saddened by the trend Ford (and other companies) are treating NAMES that used to have a reputation. MUSTANG mach E. BRONCO sport. Ranger RAPTOR. The way it goes, we gonna have Escape Raptors pretty soon.
🤣🤣 focus raptor is next.
IMO Ford didnt go crazy on the Ranger Raptor because they didnt want to outdo the F150 Raptor and lose money if people started buying Rangers instead of F150's
Fair point. Specially with how big the Ranger is. I miss the days of a mid size truck actually being small.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad there's always the Ford Maverick lol Supposedly Toyota is also coming out with a compact truck to compete with the Maverick
Yeah. I like the size of the ford ranger, just not sure it’s a powertrain that can be upgraded since it’s more unibody design and not a cab on frame.
If Ford was worried about satisfying the segment (regarding the width of the truck), the regular Ranger did just that! To introduce "A Raptor" having the same specs is just lipstick and misleading. Of course it is a great business decision to suck more cash out of people for more profit, but just shameful!
If we can slap the mustang name on just about anything nowadays, why not the Raptor? It smells like a cash grab for seat stitching… 🤣
🤣🤣 so true.
Ford dropped the ball on this one is rather buy a used gen 2 raptor ( what I should of bought instead of a tundra lol)
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I would have to agree with your assessment. It just doesn’t fit the Raptor criteria. Come on Ford! Disappointing…😢
Yeah, Raptor has always set the standard or re defined the segment. This is barely on par with the competition.
Whats a smog test 😂😂
Nah it’s underwhelming a bit and at 60 k you’re better off just getting a used f150 raptor.
Very true. You get can a gen1 or a gen2 for that price.
also not a svt
SVT nameplate was dropped years ago.
Svt became Ford Performance
Yeah. Special Vehicles Team was disbanded and a new team created called Ford Performance.
damn didnt know that
I definitely don’t see this as a raptor. It looks to close to a regular ranger. It’s like a baby raptor. Building a street friendly raptor is pointless, that’s what the regular ranger is for.
Exactly. It really should have been called a Tremor.
The extreme slant on the windshield is hard to swallow, and a waste of useable space. A lot of money to pay for an economy engine, how does it sound? Lol… 🤣
🤣🤣 at least the engine makes decent power 🤷♂️
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad have you ever considered going into car sales? That was a great comeback!
🤣🤣 I could never be a salesman. I’m too straight to the point and honest. You need to be a little slimy to be a car salesman these days.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad seems that way, but you have a great knowledge of vehicles, a lot of sales people you run into today, don’t even know what they are selling, and to whom, and why, they just roll off numbers, and go ask the manager… 🤣
Totally agree. I’ve been on dealer lots where I did 10 min of research before showing up and already knew more than the salesman 🤦♂️. How can you sell something you don’t know?
This is one the issues with them, it's all power and price. For the same money, I'm likely going to wait, save, and buy a Lexus GS550 because Ford dealers here won't let you order one without paying $20k currently. Won't buy anything Chevy, as a Chevy owner, they are abandoning android auto.
Agree with the other trucks.
That’s exactly right. They used the Raptor name to charge more for the truck. It sucks because sure it’s watering down the Raptor name.
I used to be a Chevy guy myself. I loved their engines back in the days of the 5.7 and 6.2. But I hated the 5.3 and all the cheap styling they did in the early 2000s. They really did not make anything compelling to bring me back till recently with the zr2 Colorado. But I’m still hesitant. Whats has been your experience that keeps you away from GM?
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad Ahhh GM, they also share blame in my journey :). I won't ever give up my NA 600hp LS3 6.2 C6 (my dream car). I started out wanting the Chevy Colorado, but then for the price vs. creature comforts that I enjoy and 600lbs less weight, I looked at the Canyon, but then they hid features behind the highest tiers - no front lockers on the mid tier, but I have to get a mold generating sunroof on the high tier? Why am I locked into a WHITE interior, but it's only white wear we touch things with dirty hands? Also, high beams behind the touch screen only and corporate announcement they are abandoning android auto?? After having a rental vehicle within the past year, android auto is the best thing since sliced bread. So I looked at the Ranger Raptor (Front/rear lockers, truck utility, creature comforts, vertical massive screen, not too many buttons moved to touch screen, android auto, I could speed offroad like I do on-road, etc.), then the dealers tried to upsell me $10k-20k ADM, so now... I watched the GX550 vids where the truck stays basically even they are doing insane articulation stuff. My wife and dog would be super chill with that. Now I question whether I even want the pickup, when I buy a fold up trailer for dirt bikes, motorcycle, or tow a camper vs. rely on a micro truck bed. Plus no stupid colors... No pond scum green (Ford), Race car white touchy places (GMC)... I get that Lexus will charge me ADM, but it all sounds closer to $2-3k vs. $10k+.
I'm going to keep saving my money, heavily, and just might reach the point where I can outright put down $50k at which point buying a truly "nice" vehicle will be easier. I'm buying to own for the next 20 years. That's why I am being so picky and why I want "leather", nice amenities, heated/cooled seats.
Do I sound frustrated yet with the industry? lmao.
Without watching the complete video the Ranger is NOT deserving of the Raptor badge!! Shame on Ford for diluting the appeal and cache of Raptor.
That’s the word I was looking for but could not find it. Ford is diluting the name big time
guy is doing dumb number matching. it outperforms every truck he listed . and 35" tires is too much for a prerunner of that size.
🤣🤣 there is no way the Raptor Ranger is outperforming a Colorado ZR2. Not on paper and not in the real world. We’ve seen the ZR2 keep up with raptors for years now on 33s. And the new bison ZR2 is doing on 35s with hydraulic bump stops on all 4 corners. ZR2 is more capable hands down.
If you haven’t drove it then you’re basing it all on paper.
🤣 on paper it’s not looking good. It only leads the class in HP. Chevy leads the class in suspension travel and tire size. Toyota takes the torque win and at the end of the day, the sales win too. Anything with the Raptor name should lead the class in every aspect. This truck does not unfortunately. We’ve heard it’s very capable. No doubt about that. The argument made here is should it be called a Raptor. And IMO the answer is simple; this is a Tremor
Absolutely not 😂😂😂 the raptor worked for its name, its reputation
The UK has had the ranger for
Years and it's always been over shadowed by the navara/frontier, the l200/triton, even the izuzu
The raptor ranger is just a tarted up ranger its nothing special
Imo
I'd rather throw the extra money between the ranger and raptor ranger at lesser titled truck and some good aftermarket parts
Totally agree. In that segment the Toyota with upgrades is the truck of choice here in the states. I wish we had access to some of the rigs you guys get or they get in Australia from Nissan and Toyota. The crap we get in the US does not even compare.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad your not missing out on much tbh, you guys have all the cool stuff 😂
Just get rid of the EPA and all the green tree huggers 😂😂
We get the run full size stuff sure. But we never got the Land Cruiser 70series here and our Tacomas are nothing like the world wide hilux.
@@KeepItDirtyOffRoad tacomas are much nicer than the hilux, hilux is not too bad especially the 3L but the newer 2.4 I think it is and the 2.8 isn't a patch on the old stuff
Landcruiser I agree, and the land rovers are decent.
I've always preferred the American Market over the European stuff. Your trucks have balls, ours look like they belong in the special Olympics 😂
🤣🤣 you always want you can’t have. I’m over here drooling over Aussie land cruisers and UK defenders with a mid travel raptor in my garage. 🤦♂️