Dataline's tips and tricks for live electronic music performance (shown on Elektron Model Samples)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- Cenk (aka "Dataline") from Elektron is one of the best electronic music performers. Last week at NAMM he kindly agreed to walk me through his thought process as he performs. The result is this short and sweet tips and tricks video.
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TIMELINE:
0:00 Load up samples and...
0:20 Record in real time
0:35 Nudge if needed
0:50 Trig and ratchet
1:10 Add chance
1:20 Pitch bass
1:30 With chance...
2:30 LFO to hat decay
3:00 Vary with param locks
3:15 Save spot
3:20 Ctrl all: mess it up
3:45 Reload back to safety
3:50 Distort... & reload
4:30 Scale per track
6:30 Chance to all...
NOTE1: NAMM is a loud place... unfortunately I didn't adjust audio levels properly on the music coming from Model Samples, and it came out quite distorted, so the audio from Cenk (Dataline) is the dominant part of this video. He's the guy you want to hear anyway. If you want to hear good quality audio from Model Samples - I recorded all their factory patterns here: • Elektron Model Samples...
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Lots of hate being thrown on what is essentially an entry-level sampler, which Elektron has been knocked for not having prior. Damned if they do, damned if they dont.
Agreed but I think it's the cost that takes it away from being a genuinely entry level machine. Same as a couple of Volcas and Pocket Operators ... I'm happy with my Digitakt 😎
It’s not a sampler, it’s a sample player...
At 299 now it's a no brainer.
Some people don't have the imagination to understand the other types of musicians that are looking for a live performance sample player. Not everybody is striving to be a bedroom Four Tet, using the Sample as their main workstation or wanting a device to directly sample while they're on the subway. There are countless drummers and keyboard players out there that want to trigger samples live with their group while playing their main instrument. 6 pads is more than enough, probably overkill in most scenarios. The Sample is almost exactly what they're looking for - something to trigger with a brief finger hit, something your attention doesn't get lost in fiddling around with submenus and an overly complex interface.
I’ve purchased 3 Elektron machines so far. I’m assuming they are all defective units because I don’t sound like Cenk on any of them :)
The Snipecatcher dudes a master,,, ✌🏼
Buy more
;)
you need all of the machines to sound good ^^
This is a great video loopop, really shows the power of this little instrument in the right hands 🎧
Good vid Loop . . . it's always nice to hear from Cenk and Elektron !
always nice to see this guy in action. this groovebox looks like a solid entry-level piece of gear, I can see lots of people enjoying it. would be a great introduction to Elektron-style sequencing.
this is one of the more deep tips & tricks video i saw about this machine , Dataline play it as it was a conventional instrument ! big up !
Even Cenk is annoyed by the lack of scale per track in their products. COME ON ELEKTRON
This comment aged like fine bananas
If there is a virtuoso of machine music making, that is Cenk.
This video showed me how to do everything I didn't know how to do on the Model Samples lol.
Man, I love this guy’s enthusiasm and passion! It makes me love my MS purchase A TON more. Thanks for this upload.
The hate is daft. Not wanting a Model Samples because you have an Octatrak etc is like not wanting a racing bike because you've got a beamer parked outside.
Bingo.
I can't wait for mine. I already know how powerful this is going to be. The Volca Sample and Digitakt are dope. The Model Sample is looks to be a happy marriage of those two.
Quantumedic Music agreed
Love this machine, superb for playing live and I have barely scratched the surface. This video certainly gives a few more ideas.
Love this guy ! His music and the way he plays it are totally awesome !
So freaking awesome. Cenk is the master. I already own several elektron boxes and already want this one.
man i love seeing him have so much fun.
THIS IS SO SO INTERESTING STUFF LIKE THIS ❤️
i hope the scale per track feature will come to digitakt in a future update!!!
sweet and inspiring video. thank you
Hope too !
Look at Cenk's face when he says "Octatrack had this, Model:Samples has it... [loudest silence ever]... and uh, yeah." I think there's a fleeting flash of "Should I say more?" in that look. Fingers crossed for some news on that one of these months - maybe after M:S has had a chance to market that feature.
@@AlamoBlend says everything about how elektron have burned the people who actually support them. you can make awesome products but when you intentionally drop features for profits, you can go take a long walk off a short pier.
Sick demo!!!
Really diggin that chance feature, scale feature looks cool too
Your a goat for uploading this. That performance tho sold me on it.
Amazing little dude. When it released, I didn‘t even inform myself about it, but I got one a month ago and now I‘m even considering getting a second one. Also, you can power it with a small portable usb battery pack when you get the right cable, which is pretty awesome, since it only pulls 2-4W.
nicely done sir...am def thinkin bout gettin one
You literally film a guy at a workshop and still manage to produce top notch videos!
For sure! Also gotta give credit to dataline (Cenk) for being dope af
Phew! I was getting worried having not seen Cenk in any of the Model:Samples demos.
I see I'm not the only elektron user exasperated by the lack of "scale per track" on their other boxes. Come on elektron!!
I think it is very likely that Elektron will add it to other boxes if users ask for it.
Lately I've been puzzled about Korg giving microtuning to the Minilogue XD and not (yet) to the Prologue. I'm still hopeful it will come in a firmware update, but I think Elektron is much more likely to please us.
It's now in all boxes yay :D
This is nice. Thanks man
I love that the overhead camera is getting absolutely rattled by the bass
I got mine today. I have no idea how you're doing any of this lol! But I'm excited to learn how. I wanted this machine for my drum programming. It's lighter than the octatrack and their other sampler.
Thanks loopop. I am guessing there are quite a few less people sitting on the fence now. Dammit Cenk
Went from nope to darn!!!!
Haters had to hate, but now there's less debate. 😛
In-depth review ...make it soon🐸🙃🕺🏽
I had the chance to meet him at Sonar, What an amazing guy he is :)
Props to Cenk for doing his best to sell this thing
Amazing product, I hope they continue making this one, and do more updates in the future both hardware and firmware. It's good enough for the price, amazing workflow and its perfect for lofi hip hop, and its inspiring to use, its a piece of art as well. Its basically the Swedish sp 404, but mini version.
This is the demo that sold me on the box.
Sorry Mario, Cenk is the master of demoing Elektron gear!
Yes! I agree hahaa. I hope to get better over time!! 🙏🙏
A raise 100
Cenk could sell me anything really
Dataline is just the coolest...really wish I could see him live
Also dude thank you for making this happen
This guy is the Goat on Elektron’s
he's so bad ass, his exhibitor badge just says "Dataline"
The f---king master at work. Cenk thinks 2 steps ahead..... while creating and building tracks and parts. Plus amazingly nice dude.
Nice
I like the fact that the mic fails to pick up the bass but the camera does.
to be honest my "proper" recording of this video got totally messed up
Tactile,,, ordering soon.
sold :D
not bad at all... I think that if I have a problem with getting more money , then I would probably buy this unit as it is fast to make live music and does a lot of glitch sound I love. Unless I buy the other stereo Elektron hardware this year, I have to stay happy with Digitakt - which is to me - super-small-portable -working on powerbank ,drum/synth-sampler composer on every journey always with me. I love it. Its worth lil bit extra... the con is its mono.
ps. I see a lot of bad opinions about "Model"... I hope it's not gonna be the same like with Novation Mono Station - I don't see many users on TH-cam pushing a thumb up button after watching their videos, nor ma y views... ,tho not like me as I have 2 units and want to buy a third one.
Great video as always!
He’s having fun
After watching this, I had to run and buy one
Thanks Loopop, hope you enjoyed Namm, you doing a Namm Jam?
Namm Jam thank you mam ? Hi inky :-P
@@solaryzer 😝🙌😎Hello lol, have you heard his jams, lol 50 synths playing tubular bells😂😂😂
At this stage i've actually heard everyone's jams !! Hope all okay there ,, snowing here in Ireland :-)
Yeah I don’t jam with less than 30 synths ;)
@@loopop 😂 There has to be someone crazy enough to dare😂😂😂
Now I'm contemplating if I should get this or the Digitakt. Looks like it's way more fun to use live then the Digitakt and that "Chance to all" is really fucking great.
The digitakt is soooooo fun, I've had it since 2017 it's a great machine to master
I wonder if using as a sequencer, all the encoders that would be used for sample manipulation could be used to send cc to mod the externally sequenced gear?
Cenk is a true master he can even make a mediocre product sound great..
A masterclass in few minutes! I've watched this many times. TH-cam should allow multiple likes.
Thank you Loopop. Thank you very much.
Chance reduction on all tracks would make SUCH A FANTASTIC addition to digitone/digitakt. Should be easy to implement, just hold midi and turn condition like anything else.
You can do that
great box, why not make update to get arpegiator?
Great. Will you be doing an in-depth review on your own?
Yes, but they’re not shipping just yet
Within the first few minutes I saw this announced I was over the moon excited! I have all the Elektron boxes except the Monomachine and this one excited me more than any of them. It just seems so fast AND fun!
sadly, Monomachine is the only one I've really REALLY wanted, but alas its discontinued.
wish didnt need a computer to upload samples. like an sd card slot. correct if wrong
OK now I think it's cool. Still not sure about the price but it's cool.
And us mortals go "CLANK-BOOM-CLANK-BOOM-TISH"... Cenk is a god 😎
@4:38 haha! many would agree ;)
Elektron has all my money already. i'm going to skip this one
If only my DSI Tempest had that 'chance' function...
Just a thought, if you own a digitakt you could use midi out to control the Tempest and use conditional trigs which has a %probability condition... that’s if you have a digitakt though. Or digitone!
@@nmc_music just a thought, if you had a digitakt you could just do it on that...
I don’t. And don’t like to habe multiple instruments for a single task.
my dsi tempest is an 8 bars loops , and most of time the “ chance “ fonction is used to reach this 8 bar feel . combining 8 bars loop on 8 patterns , with 8 variations patterns ( 1 with 9 / 2 with 10 and so on ... ) and with the swap function you can use on the fly between bank A and B , I think you don’t need a “ chance “ tool to approach this . Just think DEEPLY about what the tempest can do without , like the exemple I am talking about .
stay creative . news features on electronic devices will always happen , we just need to think what we can do with our machines instead of thinking about what we cannot do . at the end of that way of thinking , your wallet will be healthy and you will start to play like this great Cenk :)
@@dekalboy8816 I agree with you about the fact that we have to learn how deep we can go with our instruments. But I've had an Elektron Rytm before the Tempest, I didn't like it, but was found of this trig conditions way of writing rhythms (it reminds me of a eurorack sequencer I loved that works on clock divisions and offset).
Concerning your solution, I use the Tempest for live shows, so I need to have all the tracks in one project to avoid loading time (and loss of clock synchronization). But thanks for the tip.
All demos of this box use only internal sounds... I wonder how useful the sequencer is for driving external gear(multiple sound modules)?
basically the same, tho don't forget that every track on model:samples is monophonic.
Good point. I’m guessing it’s very capable, as it is the case with other Elektron boxes. To me, the biggest problem is that, as I understand, the midi tracks are not additional but replace the audio ones, so you cannot have more than six (compare that to a Volca Sample 8 voice polyphony!). With other Elektron sequencers the midi tracks are additional. I hope I’m wrong and that is the case here too because six tracks are very limiting. You could have bass, lead, chords and only three parts of percussion... on top, it also seems you cannot change programs to use several samples in the same track & pattern to create the effect of having greater polyphony. In sum, you’d need an additional sequencer for at least one of the parts (if you want a standard four parts percussion set).
(WxkR) Yeah, probably why they are not focusing on the sequencer. Those of us doing minimalistic /emergent electronic music can be happy with 6 synced mono tracks with some randomness.
@@WxkR you can overcome a sample p.locking limitation by just adding a longer sample on one track with various drums and p.locking sample start for every step with the sample you need...in theory :)
Linas Mak good call, that seems possible here and might work in many cases. The minus with it is that it’d detract from the “immediacy” of the workflow advertised for this machine. In any case, the 6 tracks problem is not that terrible considering many synths today come with their own sequencer.
This box is a monster....
I need a good bass and drum machine to back me up while I play keys and sing. Will this fit the bill? I would think that six tracks for just drum and bass sounds would be enough, but I'm not sure. Anybody?
Dude - this may be 'only' six tracks but every single trig can have a different sample on - so 64 x 6 - is not limited at all! I wanted a drum machine with extra capabilities and this thing smashes it - for the money the M:S is a monster - don't believe the hate - it rocks!!!
2:03 🤣
Scale by track coming to digitakt watch this space ;)
Hmm no Audio in?
Octatrack- no overbridge
Digitakt- no songmode
Modal samples- no audio in
Whem comes the master box with all features? I would buy it!
Don't forget the track scale - only on the cheapest box! x|
Gotta catch `em all! No seriously, every machine is amazing in its‘ own way and tailored for specific needs. Also, reduction enhances creativity.
What’s the Minitaur doing there? :)
drawing all the dust from air onto itself
They were controlling it with midi on other demos
Would love to hear Cenk's thoughts on the sequencer for the OP-Z.
There is a chance that he likes the chance.
so what does this one have that the analog rytm MK2 doesnt have?
Oscar Roberto Brouwer midi sequencing
so the RYTM does have a chance parameter setting for all tracks at once?@@17thvillain9
The price! =
mine does not record like this.
How many instruments can it control trough midi ?
6 midi tracks. So 6 Instruments
The midi and sample track share midi or audio that are interchangeable
Like 2 midi 4 audio tracks and any combo
2:07 come all the time ?
For me, something I don’t think ppl include in the value of this, is the portability. They are coming out with a battery pack handle, I could take this thing into the barren wilderness! How is that not cool?
Almost all Elektron products work with a USB power brick and Birdcord USB cables. Portable Octatrack. :)
I had no idea he was there. It seemed like he was trying to distance himself from the M:S
He was mainly doing the overbridge demos one stand to the right... - I prescheduled this with him so he kindly obliged
ok, so Cenk here just confirmed that scale per track is just by design crippling of digitakt features.. so yeah, thanks elektron
What do you mean ?
@@DexterPiano he means elektron purposely fuck their products for money and somehow think we dont notice - well its noticed and they are very close to losing their appeal.
Sound-generating gear is cheap and plentiful these days, Elektron should be doing a pure midi / cv performance sequencer like a swedish beatstep pro with tons of cool functions
See squarp hermod & pyramid
Konrad Hausmann Is it really fast and intuitive? I considered it but I would love an Elektron sequencer with lots of knobs and as little menu diving as possible. I love my octatrack but a cheaper box with just the sequencing part and more knobs would be badass
From the Videos i've seen they seem to be quite fast. They obviously lack the knobs
The problem is MIDI has been a lackluster standard since its introduction with very little effort to remedy its flaws up until recently with the announcement of 2.0. Doing simple note on/off commands and such is fine but any demanding high resolution CC modulations and it will start to choke and cause too much latency to be of much use where timing matters, Elektron knows this and therefore sticks with internal sound generation first and foremost.
@@fedesartorio Its called cycles!
Does anyone think any Elektron hardware unit additions have been a downgrade or an upgrade. I think trap sounds on this machine is the right way to go it just could have been so much better. Plus it looks ugly. That’s saying a lot since the Digitakt and the Octatrack and other box units looks so nice and have good capabilites
If only you could sample into it 😭