"How hollow is the sound of victory without someone to share it with? Honor gives little comfort to a man alone in his home and in his heart." Of all places to look for powerful quotes, star trek DS9. What a wonderful quote.
@@jinxiejae Most of the shows were, but things began to drop off a bit after "Enterprise." And now we've gone from deep, meaningful quotes like this to stuff like "sheer f#$! hubris" in Star Trek Picard.
Martok and Worf always represented all that was good, idealistic and commendable about the Klingons and/or the Empire. Nicely contrasted by Duras and eventually Gowron. Also Martok is pretty much DS9's Epic Awesome Quirky Uncle.
Gowron was a "little" tainted by politics, K'mpec was very practical. Like any society, you have the cultural ideal, and then you have the variable reality from that ideal. We have seen that many Klingons aren't very honourable, that is just their societal expectation, but human society is this way - you think the majority of Samurai committed ritual suicide when they lost? I find Worf interesting because he spends his adolescence "book learning" Klingon culture, which makes him this kind of highly, idealized version that has to contend with the reality as an adult. He doesn't want to give up the ideals he read or learned about as a child, when you are given the candy-coated version of what your society is like.
Gowron was always corrupt opportunistic Targ filth, even when he gave Worf his name back it was to shore up his own support and have a voice in the ear of the Federation's foremost captain.
@@jamesboulger8705 sepuku was only performed in instances of total defeat or shame rather than just a blanket loss. In the later form it was a powerful political tool. When Oda Nobunaga took rulership of his clan, his father's advisor committed sepuku as a statement against Oda. It basically green lit a family rebellion against him.
When Worf and Martok became brothers, it was more than a figure of speech. Martok deeply cares for Worf's happiness and at times acts like a big brother, giving advice about family matters. Worf had no one to go to in matters of Klingon culture. In Martok, he is given a Klingon perspective that Worf can appreciate.
@@randomrazr If i recall, he tried to kill himself honorably to get out of the family shame, House of Mogh basically being poison. So in an episode Worf helped him out by medically removing his memories and having him get adopted by a family friend, thus "killing" the man without the actual death.
Klingons: Need a warior? they will fight with a rage of a thousand suns need a poet? They will write an epic tale that can rip hearts to shreds Need romantics? THey have Martok
When got think about it, Martok, is in many ways Worf's counter balance. Worf spent a large chunk of his life among humans as he was also trying to find himself as a Klingon. It can be best said that Martok gives Worf that unique perspective that only a Klingon can do.
StoicLion Martok is the Ideal Klingon. He values his heritage and culture above all else but at the same time is able to see the correct path forward for his people.
i always liked the character of martok, a great warrior, a leader and an all round good friend. when i think of the ideal klingons, worf and martok spring to mind.
Good to know that in the far future, when we encounter aliens from new worlds, there's still that old story of "It's me or that damned dog!" Some things will never change in the universe.
Without the woman you love, regardless of the she does/ don't do, a man is just an empty she'll of a person. Martok hit the nail square on the head there
The wry smile Worf gives when he says, “She mocks everything,” is note perfect. Worf loves Dax’s perspective on life and wants, in his own limited way, to do the same. This subtle display destroys the rest of his argument, and he knows it. 🥰
Martok is wise in the ways of Marriage. He's also a good klingon. One of the best to lead the Empire and the one who wants nothing to do with the job. Ironically, he very well may be getting thrust back into that choice once again in Star Trek Online.
Those are wise and prophetic words Chancellor. A Klingons victory in battle is hollow unless they have someone to come home too to share it with. For it is in that love of sharing with there wife and family that makes the victory worth it.
Valiant Wrestling Federation sorry my goof, you are correct, This is episode 7 of season 6 “You are cordially invited” . Martok does not become Chancellor until Worf kills Gowron in episode 22 of season 7 “Taking into the wind” . Guess I got a little ahead of myself, my bad, good catch sir !
@@MrNaxman He goes back to being a General in STO. Course, that's also because his successor didn't actually kill him and just jailed him for a couple decades in the Briar Patch, which you then rescue him from, and he proceeds to kill the bastard who jailed him.
@@Tigerman1138 Garek is a mystery that doesn’t reveal itself until the latter seasons but he’s at his best when he’s interacting with Bashir and Sisko.
Often you might think you are opposite to your mate in personality traits, but always look deeper. The values and moral commitment that you hold often are vary alike. Even in this fictional couple, they held truth, honestly loyalty and respect high regard. They were faithful to friends and would fight for them to the death. Both were also intelligent and conversant in many areas outside their work. Worf was a poet! So no wonder they were attracted to each other even though on the surface they seemed to be unlike each other.
Those are some the truest words I've ever heard about married love.. .without someone to share life with it all becomes a hollow, meaningless misery. Same is true about women.
My wife is a cold, hard, mercurial and demanding woman, and I love her deeply, and I have never loved any other woman as much as I love and desire her.
The way the prospect of marriage has declined greatly since 2007 and the advent of social media and dating apps it is impossible to see a future where marriages even exists.
Is that a bad thing? That means that divorces will also be a thing of the past, and without that, a lot of pain and financial burdens will disappear. Without marriage, if a couple decides to separate, they can do it without as much hassle. The only thing they would need to go to court for is child custody (if applicable) and property settlements (if necessary). Other than that, they can just grab their stuff and leave.
nasir zaman. As stated by Jarsia, this was Jadzia’s first marriage. Since she was the eighth host of Dax, five marriages in eight lives is rather modest I would say🤔🖖🏼
@@IndomitableT one of her hosts was a serial killer (Joran) , one was a serial womanizer ( Curzon), and one was a shy engineer type who never married (Tobin). The fifth host Torian was very much in love with his wife as well. Hence Jadzia would have only 5 marriages in her memory, but they might be very loving ones; she did however state that she was not a good father or mother
Nope. Jadzia was good for Worf; she didn't abuse nor play mind tricks with him. They were just very different, because of species, character and experience. Having a good marriage doesn't mean being in perfect accord all the time about everything, nor a good marriage requires both partners be identical to each other, like two introverts, two artists, two French. Sometimes the best marriages happen between the proverbial opposite poles. Also, in this case, even if Jadzia was a Trill, she subjected herself to all the requirements a Klingon woman had to fulfill, and Worf learned to be more flexible and accepting. They were good to each other, and they didn't stayed married because they had no other choice.
@@sampetrie340 Aw, jeez, don't be that guy who talks about the inequalities of being a white heterosexual male because I'm all three and it's pretty awesome. I'll own that sometimes our society over-corrects but we spent centuries telling women that even if a guy occasionally beat the sh*t out of her that she was obligated to stay with him for the sake of marriage vows or kids or whatever. We're better about that now than we were but it's still a thing. Besides which; I don't claim to have perfect recollection of this episode but isn't Dax getting a remarkably similar talk from Sisko somewhere else on the station?
@@bryanalexander7571 If you oppose inequalities towards one, the only non-hypocritical stance is to oppose inequities towards all. This is a lesson that television producers don’t seem to understand.
"How hollow is the sound of victory without someone to share it with? Honor gives little comfort to a man alone in his home and in his heart." Of all places to look for powerful quotes, star trek DS9. What a wonderful quote.
I'm sure the whole star trek franchise is chock full of powerful quotes.
@@jinxiejae Most of the shows were, but things began to drop off a bit after "Enterprise." And now we've gone from deep, meaningful quotes like this to stuff like "sheer f#$! hubris" in Star Trek Picard.
Whenever someone asks me what the Abrams-Trek movies, STD and ST: Picard are missing, I show them this clip.
Damn that was deep.
Martok has some of the best quotes in the entire series, if not the entire franchise.
Martok and Worf always represented all that was good, idealistic and commendable about the Klingons and/or the Empire.
Nicely contrasted by Duras and eventually Gowron.
Also Martok is pretty much DS9's Epic Awesome Quirky Uncle.
Gowron was a "little" tainted by politics, K'mpec was very practical. Like any society, you have the cultural ideal, and then you have the variable reality from that ideal. We have seen that many Klingons aren't very honourable, that is just their societal expectation, but human society is this way - you think the majority of Samurai committed ritual suicide when they lost? I find Worf interesting because he spends his adolescence "book learning" Klingon culture, which makes him this kind of highly, idealized version that has to contend with the reality as an adult. He doesn't want to give up the ideals he read or learned about as a child, when you are given the candy-coated version of what your society is like.
Gowron was always corrupt opportunistic Targ filth, even when he gave Worf his name back it was to shore up his own support and have a voice in the ear of the Federation's foremost captain.
@@jamesboulger8705 sepuku was only performed in instances of total defeat or shame rather than just a blanket loss. In the later form it was a powerful political tool.
When Oda Nobunaga took rulership of his clan, his father's advisor committed sepuku as a statement against Oda. It basically green lit a family rebellion against him.
Kor is the epic quirky uncle.
Oh Martok, you old romantic.
When Worf and Martok became brothers, it was more than a figure of speech. Martok deeply cares for Worf's happiness and at times acts like a big brother, giving advice about family matters. Worf had no one to go to in matters of Klingon culture. In Martok, he is given a Klingon perspective that Worf can appreciate.
Martok is the ideal Klingon.
what about worfs real borhter. whatever happened to him
@@randomrazr If i recall, he tried to kill himself honorably to get out of the family shame, House of Mogh basically being poison. So in an episode Worf helped him out by medically removing his memories and having him get adopted by a family friend, thus "killing" the man without the actual death.
I think Martok is more of a uncle to Worf, than a big bro, but that just me.
Martok knows appearances are appearances. Klingons are more than drinking, fighting, and fucking. They're not that different from humans.
Klingons: Need a warior? they will fight with a rage of a thousand suns
need a poet? They will write an epic tale that can rip hearts to shreds
Need romantics? THey have Martok
When got think about it, Martok, is in many ways Worf's counter balance. Worf spent a large chunk of his life among humans as he was also trying to find himself as a Klingon. It can be best said that Martok gives Worf that unique perspective that only a Klingon can do.
N a way Martok was Worfs surrogate Klingon father he needed....
Martok is so damn charming
Damn, JG Hertzler was fantastic as Martok!
THAT Was Hard Core! I actually did tear up a little while watching! KAI KASSAI !!!
StoicLion Martok is the Ideal Klingon. He values his heritage and culture above all else but at the same time is able to see the correct path forward for his people.
i always liked the character of martok, a great warrior, a leader and an all round good friend. when i think of the ideal klingons, worf and martok spring to mind.
Good to know that in the far future, when we encounter aliens from new worlds, there's still that old story of "It's me or that damned dog!" Some things will never change in the universe.
And the dog is the better choice in most cases.
martok, is very wise.
That's why he was a good choice to rule the empire. Driven by duty, honor, and integrity. Backed by Experience, Wisdom, and humility.
Noble and Poetic.
I laughed out loud when Martok said he wasn't getting laid enough.
He's a career soldier.... who doesn't get back to the homeworld often enough.
The Klingon ships do not have family size berths.
This is one of my favorite scenes in all of DS9. Martok's explanation of his relationship with his wife is one I can definitely relate to.
This is what made DS9 a great show. The messages in the dialogue.
Martok a fierce warrior tempered by wisdom.
I would pay money to see a Star Trek series with Martok (or a Martok-type character) as ship's counselor.
Without the woman you love, regardless of the she does/ don't do, a man is just an empty she'll of a person.
Martok hit the nail square on the head there
Notice that even Klingon men complain they don't get enough sex. lol It's a universal truth.
@@vanmoody Klingon men are written by human men!
The wry smile Worf gives when he says, “She mocks everything,” is note perfect. Worf loves Dax’s perspective on life and wants, in his own limited way, to do the same. This subtle display destroys the rest of his argument, and he knows it. 🥰
Martok is wise in the ways of Marriage. He's also a good klingon. One of the best to lead the Empire and the one who wants nothing to do with the job.
Ironically, he very well may be getting thrust back into that choice once again in Star Trek Online.
Martok's speech is why he's my favorite Klingon, even more than Worf.
I wish I had friend who was
true like this
wise words from martok.
This is why Star Trek is amazing. The analyzation of the human condition is especially profound in DS9.
Those are wise and prophetic words Chancellor. A Klingons victory in battle is hollow unless they have someone to come home too to share it with. For it is in that love of sharing with there wife and family that makes the victory worth it.
H wasn't Chancellor than, he was still a General in the KDF.
Valiant Wrestling Federation sorry my goof, you are correct, This is episode 7 of season 6 “You are cordially invited” .
Martok does not become Chancellor until Worf kills Gowron in episode 22 of season 7 “Taking into the wind” . Guess I got a little ahead of myself, my bad, good catch sir !
@@MrNaxman He goes back to being a General in STO. Course, that's also because his successor didn't actually kill him and just jailed him for a couple decades in the Briar Patch, which you then rescue him from, and he proceeds to kill the bastard who jailed him.
Martok launching photon torpedos of knowledge.
Martok is onee of the best Star Trek characters ever written
Is it too sad to admit I would be proud to join the House of Martok?
No, it carries with it great honor.
No Martok is a great man I'd be proud to follow him into battle.
Sisko Worf and Martok are the reasons to rewatch DS9.
Garek
@@Tigerman1138 Garek is a mystery that doesn’t reveal itself until the latter seasons but he’s at his best when he’s interacting with Bashir and Sisko.
Often you might think you are opposite to your mate in personality traits, but always look deeper. The values and moral commitment that you hold often are vary alike. Even in this fictional couple, they held truth, honestly loyalty and respect high regard. They were faithful to friends and would fight for them to the death. Both were also intelligent and conversant in many areas outside their work. Worf was a poet! So no wonder they were attracted to each other even though on the surface they seemed to be unlike each other.
Wow, that was beautiful...
been looking for this clip for ages, it's so poetic
“Mercurial”. Great word. No dumbing down of language on DS9. No slang, no jive talk, little and only *very* necessary profanity.
I really liked this speech Martok makes here so true even in comparison to real life.
My fav part of Jadzia is on DS9 when she is treated like a rookie and then are informed she is over 300 years old. lol
What a speech!
Man, I feel a poem coming on...
Yet again Martok says some wise words ... he’s a legend
“Happiness only real when shared.”
God knows what Sunday roasts are like in the house of martok lol
Great scene.
Thanks for posting it.
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Worf and Martok are both good characters and Klingons
Those are some the truest words I've ever heard about married love.. .without someone to share life with it all becomes a hollow, meaningless misery. Same is true about women.
Lol Martok is kind of laid back and not arrogant, rising to high status from poor parents, and basically describes a woman who is his opposite.
That guy is quite the actor.
General Martok....Klingon marriage counselor???
1:41 That was a good quote.
Rule of Acquisition #223 Beware the man who doesn't take time for Oo-mox. Even the Ferengi know you gotta have a wife.
Martok way trying to say she's too posh.
prideful, arrogant, mercirual sounds like a description of the entire klingon race
Moral of the story opposites attract 🤘
If they ever light a show with wor. Martok better be on it.
I want to watch a group of Klingons watch Rob Roy.
My wife is a cold, hard, mercurial and demanding woman, and I love her deeply, and I have never loved any other woman as much as I love and desire her.
The way the prospect of marriage has declined greatly since 2007 and the advent of social media and dating apps it is impossible to see a future where marriages even exists.
Is that a bad thing? That means that divorces will also be a thing of the past, and without that, a lot of pain and financial burdens will disappear. Without marriage, if a couple decides to separate, they can do it without as much hassle. The only thing they would need to go to court for is child custody (if applicable) and property settlements (if necessary). Other than that, they can just grab their stuff and leave.
Wise words indeed
Massively better written klingons here, the discovery version is an insult to every writer who added a little piece of gold to the originals.
I can’t stand Discovery writing… no respect for logic or StarTrek
@@Sage2000 Yeah they seem to have mistook Trek as a grim dark franchise as well.
Martok's obviously never been on Twitter or Reddit. Good for him I say.
Could not have said it any better.
1:48 I feel that way a lot!
Far cry from STD klingons isn't it.
Magnificent
I wish I had remembered Martok's advice before I pulled a worf in my last relationship
Would this be worf second time married
So, does that mean Kilgons can have an open marriage? Martok said that she shares his bed with others.
No he didn't. He said she doesnt sleep with him as much as he would want.
Martok the sage
Worf should have married Key'lar when he had the chance.
She's too much of a human Klingon for worf.
Jadzia had five marriages!!
Dax did, this was Jadzia's first
nasir zaman. As stated by Jarsia, this was Jadzia’s first marriage. Since she was the eighth host of Dax, five marriages in eight lives is rather modest I would say🤔🖖🏼
@@IndomitableT one of her hosts was a serial killer (Joran) , one was a serial womanizer ( Curzon), and one was a shy engineer type who never married (Tobin). The fifth host Torian was very much in love with his wife as well. Hence Jadzia would have only 5 marriages in her memory, but they might be very loving ones; she did however state that she was not a good father or mother
SantomPh. Indeed, and what I have always found hilarious is that Curzon was in love with Jadzia. How is that for complicated?🤭🖖🏼
Wonder what the Kliongs would say about Al Bundy.
They would say that Al Bundy is a lazy pile of baktag (crap).
ask Martok?
In some way this is worfs second marriage remember The tNG episode parallells? In that ep worf is married to troi.
that is an alternate timeline, and that was not "our" Worf.
@@SantomPh yeah but you know what I mean
So the moral is, stay with someone who isn’t good for you, because even a bad spouse is better than none at all?
Nope. Jadzia was good for Worf; she didn't abuse nor play mind tricks with him. They were just very different, because of species, character and experience.
Having a good marriage doesn't mean being in perfect accord all the time about everything, nor a good marriage requires both partners be identical to each other, like two introverts, two artists, two French. Sometimes the best marriages happen between the proverbial opposite poles.
Also, in this case, even if Jadzia was a Trill, she subjected herself to all the requirements a Klingon woman had to fulfill, and Worf learned to be more flexible and accepting.
They were good to each other, and they didn't stayed married because they had no other choice.
I think the moral is more that you loving somebody doesn't transform them into a flawless perfect match for you.
@@bryanalexander7571 I think what bothers me is that on television this advice is never given to a woman, only to a man.
@@sampetrie340
Aw, jeez, don't be that guy who talks about the inequalities of being a white heterosexual male because I'm all three and it's pretty awesome.
I'll own that sometimes our society over-corrects but we spent centuries telling women that even if a guy occasionally beat the sh*t out of her that she was obligated to stay with him for the sake of marriage vows or kids or whatever. We're better about that now than we were but it's still a thing.
Besides which; I don't claim to have perfect recollection of this episode but isn't Dax getting a remarkably similar talk from Sisko somewhere else on the station?
@@bryanalexander7571 If you oppose inequalities towards one, the only non-hypocritical stance is to oppose inequities towards all. This is a lesson that television producers don’t seem to understand.