some kia/hyundai models have a plug for the charging port that enables vehicle to extension cord/power strip that can handle essentials like fridge, microwave etc. without expense of whole house system or big pickup truck vehicle.
Get a Ford lightning. Have NEMA 14-50 and a 60amp breaker and plug your charger into it. When the power goes out, unplug your charger, turn off your main breaker and run a plug from the Lightning 30amp in the bed to the 14-50 and now the truck is powering you house. Much more easy to do this and only spend the money on the 14-50 and the cable. $300 at the most
I agree with this but then you’re also buying a $35-40 thousand used vehicle. Upside is you have a great truck & a roughly 100kwh battery for long power outages vs a typical ~10-15kwh home backup battery.
I’m excited for vehicle to home being more attainable, mainstream and affordable. That would really help balance the grid during peak hours and help pushback on narrative EVs are going to kill the power grid.
For the doc, the Chevy Silverado EV also would work. It has the range (400+ miles) and space and charging speed. No Carplay but you really don't need it.
Appreciate the comment. Yeah I like the Chevy but I do need the CarPlay. In particular the messages and podcast integration. I do a lot of on call and a lot of driving. Thus need to be able to manage messages and get my podcast med-ed.
Great show guys. Congratulations to Edward. What ever happened with the guy’s video you couldn’t get the sound to work on last time? Planning on showing that video in the future?
V2L with a transfer switch is cheap. What would be the cheapest car with at least an 1800-watt output? Even some hybrids can do that, I think. And a small home battery (5kwh) can be a buffer in between the car and the home.
Yeah, a vehicle primarily used for home back power is not the way to go, unless it is also your only daily vehicle. Otherwise a home battery system (sized for your expected outages) or even a couple of those $1800 portable electric power units will be a better investment.
Here's my suggestion for the cheapest home backup solution - and it works with ANY EV that can stay "ON". Buy a large portable power station like the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3. This unit is 4kWh and 4,000W power output on 120/240V split phase for ~$3,000. The Backup Transfer Switch is $300. You can get almost indefinite runtime by also buying the Alternator Charger and wiring it to your EV. As long as your EV can remain "ON" when parked indefinitely, then it can push 800W continuously from the EV traction battery to the EV 12V system, through the Alternator Charger box to the Power Station. This solution will keep essentials like refrigerator, gas furnace, lighting, internet, etc. running for a VERY long time. However, it would be relatively easy to run out the battery faster than the 800W Alternator Charger can recharge it, so you have to keep an eye on your usage. The main drawback is that it cannot charge the Power Station's battery from grid tied solar. You must charge it with panels connected to the DC input. If you have grid tied solar and want to use that to extend your runtime, then you need a battery inverter that can handle AC coupled solar. I have never seen a portable power station that can do that.
Actually, I take it back regarding grid-tied solar. The Anker Solix F3800 can integrate with rooftop grid tied solar if you buy their Smart Home Power Kit automatic transfer switch. However, it appears to add about $1,200 to the system price.
At the risk of hurting myself financially, I'll provide the answer, because I need favor today on needed home plumbing miracle: The answer is the 2013 Nissan Leaf: Why this year and this model? simple: It's avaiable as low as 6K and sometimes with less than 80,000 miles so the originol batttery is still without too much battery degradation: Here is the best part, starting with this model year, you can swtich out the battery for a newer battery you see in even the 2024 model years, because the dimension's are similar enough, the more advanced battery's can still fit the space left when your swap out the electric motor battery's. However I should add for some of you reall contemplatng this, in the next two year's, it's going to be very common to see 2022 and 2023 Chevy Bolt's with there 66KW electric motor's, sellng all day long for under 15,000, (many with other 40,000 miles anyway, )
Keep the 2020 Niro until the 2025 Kia EV6 comes out with the 84 KWH battery. I would doubt he would qualify for the BC provincial rebate because of the CA$80K annual income maximum restriction.
Here is a link to a class 8 truck charging with overhead power wires in Germany. th-cam.com/video/kVYIuxktpag/w-d-xo.html The "Electric Trucker" is a guy who wanted to drive only electric class 8 trucks, and got a job in Germany driving for a company that has 10 or so electric trucks in the class 4 to class 8 size.
What was all that babble about V2H and keeping car and home backup separate? Home batteries are hugely expensive compared to the $/kWh of a vehicle battery. In many locales, selling vehicle battery power can generate money that offsets a significant portion of the vehicle cost.
13:08 need big battery on wheels
Great show, gents. Showing folks there's more than one way to "go electric."
The person looking at the ID.4...check out a Ford Mach-e. Ford has some killer leasing deals right now!
I have 23 ID4 and love it. I have almost 40k on it
Great to hear, thanks for sharing.
some kia/hyundai models have a plug for the charging port that enables vehicle to extension cord/power strip that can handle essentials like fridge, microwave etc. without expense of whole house system or big pickup truck vehicle.
True! Kia EV6, EV9, and Hyundai Ioniq 5 all have a V2L adapter available to plug in, good for 1,500 watts in the US.
@@BatteriesIncludedPodcast And the Kona, top trim.
It seems like a used nissan leaf for 4-6k gives you a hell of a home backup
Get a Ford lightning. Have NEMA 14-50 and a 60amp breaker and plug your charger into it. When the power goes out, unplug your charger, turn off your main breaker and run a plug from the Lightning 30amp in the bed to the 14-50 and now the truck is powering you house. Much more easy to do this and only spend the money on the 14-50 and the cable. $300 at the most
I agree with this but then you’re also buying a $35-40 thousand used vehicle.
Upside is you have a great truck & a roughly 100kwh battery for long power outages vs a typical ~10-15kwh home backup battery.
I’m excited for vehicle to home being more attainable, mainstream and affordable. That would really help balance the grid during peak hours and help pushback on narrative EVs are going to kill the power grid.
For the doc, the Chevy Silverado EV also would work. It has the range (400+ miles) and space and charging speed.
No Carplay but you really don't need it.
Appreciate the comment. Yeah I like the Chevy but I do need the CarPlay. In particular the messages and podcast integration. I do a lot of on call and a lot of driving. Thus need to be able to manage messages and get my podcast med-ed.
Great show guys. Congratulations to Edward. What ever happened with the guy’s video you couldn’t get the sound to work on last time? Planning on showing that video in the future?
V2L with a transfer switch is cheap. What would be the cheapest car with at least an 1800-watt output? Even some hybrids can do that, I think. And a small home battery (5kwh) can be a buffer in between the car and the home.
Yeah, a vehicle primarily used for home back power is not the way to go, unless it is also your only daily vehicle. Otherwise a home battery system (sized for your expected outages) or even a couple of those $1800 portable electric power units will be a better investment.
Here's my suggestion for the cheapest home backup solution - and it works with ANY EV that can stay "ON".
Buy a large portable power station like the EcoFlow Delta Pro 3. This unit is 4kWh and 4,000W power output on 120/240V split phase for ~$3,000. The Backup Transfer Switch is $300. You can get almost indefinite runtime by also buying the Alternator Charger and wiring it to your EV. As long as your EV can remain "ON" when parked indefinitely, then it can push 800W continuously from the EV traction battery to the EV 12V system, through the Alternator Charger box to the Power Station. This solution will keep essentials like refrigerator, gas furnace, lighting, internet, etc. running for a VERY long time. However, it would be relatively easy to run out the battery faster than the 800W Alternator Charger can recharge it, so you have to keep an eye on your usage. The main drawback is that it cannot charge the Power Station's battery from grid tied solar. You must charge it with panels connected to the DC input. If you have grid tied solar and want to use that to extend your runtime, then you need a battery inverter that can handle AC coupled solar. I have never seen a portable power station that can do that.
Actually, I take it back regarding grid-tied solar. The Anker Solix F3800 can integrate with rooftop grid tied solar if you buy their Smart Home Power Kit automatic transfer switch. However, it appears to add about $1,200 to the system price.
At the risk of hurting myself financially, I'll provide the answer, because I need favor today on needed home plumbing miracle:
The answer is the 2013 Nissan Leaf: Why this year and this model? simple: It's avaiable as low as 6K and sometimes with less than 80,000 miles
so the originol batttery is still without too much battery degradation: Here is the best part, starting with this model year, you can swtich out the battery for a newer battery
you see in even the 2024 model years, because the dimension's are similar enough, the more advanced battery's can still fit the space left when your swap out the electric motor battery's. However I should add for some of you reall contemplatng this, in the next two year's, it's going to be very common to see 2022 and 2023 Chevy Bolt's with there 66KW electric motor's, sellng all day long for under 15,000, (many with other 40,000 miles anyway, )
Keep the 2020 Niro until the 2025 Kia EV6 comes out with the 84 KWH battery. I would doubt he would qualify for the BC provincial rebate because of the CA$80K annual income maximum restriction.
Here is a link to a class 8 truck charging with overhead power wires in Germany.
th-cam.com/video/kVYIuxktpag/w-d-xo.html
The "Electric Trucker" is a guy who wanted to drive only electric class 8 trucks, and got a job in Germany driving for a company that has 10 or so electric trucks in the class 4 to class 8 size.
What was all that babble about V2H and keeping car and home backup separate? Home batteries are hugely expensive compared to the $/kWh of a vehicle battery. In many locales, selling vehicle battery power can generate money that offsets a significant portion of the vehicle cost.
Crummy answer.