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- Are you interested in getting a second hand EV but you're not sure where to start?
We caught up with Jonathan Porterfield from Eco Cars, who has extensive experience of selling second hand EVs, for some top tips on where and what to look for when searching for a used electric car.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:44 Where to start?
1:50 More 2nd hand EVs
3:35 Leafs & Zoes
4:37 No new batteries
6:38 What to look for
7:41 Starts & moves
8:50 Unnecessary charging
10:05 Bargain cars
11:17 Demand drives price
13:06 Online auctions
13:56 Top tip
14:39 Pre-owned Teslas
15:41 EVs last longer
17:14 EV excitement!
#ElectricCars #EVs #ElectricVehicles #UsedEVs #AffordableEVs #PreownedEVs #SecondHandEVs #EcoCars #CarAuctions #Nissan #NisaanLeaf #Renault #RenaultZoe #Tesla - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Are you interested in getting a second hand EV but you're not sure where to start?
We caught up with Jonathan Porterfield from Eco Cars, who has extensive experience of selling second hand EVs, for some top tips on where and what to look for when searching for a used electric car.
Head to our main channel for our latest episode about affordable new & used EVs:
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Find out more:
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:44 Where to start?
1:50 More 2nd hand EVs
3:35 Leafs & Zoes
4:37 No new batteries
6:38 What to look for
7:41 Starts & moves
8:50 Unnecessary charging
10:05 Bargain cars
11:17 Demand drives price
13:06 Online auctions
13:56 Top tip
14:39 Pre-owned Teslas
15:41 EVs last longer
17:14 EV excitement!
I know I'm kind of off topic but does anyone know a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?
@Shane Azariah I watch on flixzone. Just google for it :)
I think Jonathan Porterfield must secretly be a benevolent multi-millionaire...?
I've watched / heard him numerous times over the last 12 months and it always strikes me as amazing that (at least, prior to Covid) he would travel ALL over the UK buying used EVs, then drive them to his client and yet only charge a nominal £300 for his services...!
Truly amazing...
What a gent :-)
They say you can't trust a car dealer, but Jonathan seems such a nice guy, I think you could trust him. Having seen him in other videos we feel like we know him now! Keep up the good work and thank you for the useful tips.
I got my ioniq28 though eco cars, JP was great. If you look at his yell reviews he is all 5 star except for one 4 star. He was on about 260+ reviews last time I looked. Very much would recommend him
@@BenSycha Thanks Ben. I'm glad you had a good buying experience. I did look at the reviews on JP's website and they were excellent.
As a side note, when I bought my Ioniq 28 kWh from another dealer, it turned out to be the worst car-buying experience in my 45 year driving life!
I just got a second-hand Leaf from Jonathan. He's an absolute gent and I got such a great deal! (I'm making a video about the process right now...)
Look forward to the video Andrew 😉👏
Nice to hear from an honest & upfront dealer, who knows his stuff!
Funnest part of buying my used 2018 Nissan Leaf was laughing at the dealer when they tried tacked on the drive train warranty that included two years free oil change.
Old habits die hard with most of them. It’s so ingrained they don’t even realise they’re doing it. I remember looking over the hill for a service on my wife’s car a few years ago. She was all chuffed because there was a ‘goodie bag’ when she collected it. The bag contained a litre of oil & a few other bits that you’d buy for a tenner. They’d charged £30. They were quite shocked the following morning when I rocked up & demanded to know why they had supplied stuff we hadn’t ordered. The service manager got a bit snotty until I asked him if he’d prefer to deal with trading standards. Big dealerships are all about milking the last penny from you. 😬
🤣🤣🤣🤣
We bought our 24kW Leaf from Jonathan and the process was seamless. On top of the excellent service, he had loaned me a car just to try out the EV experience
We have used Jonathans services twice and he is definitely the man to go to for second hand EVs.
Thank you to you both. Very helpful for me as an ev novice looking to take the plunge.
If he really only charges £300 for his great expertise in the secondhand market people should beat a path to his door.
He doesn't sell people cars. He blocks people who as questions when they try.
Lol
Johnathan, Robert, thank you both, a very useful and informative video.
What I learnt going to a car auction once was that some dealers buy cars even at very high prices because more money can be made selling the finance rather than the profit on the car. This may have changed now as this was about 8 or so years ago but still worth thinking about.
Great to see Jonathan Porterfield on FC. Jonathan is absolutely among the most trustworthy genuine gent EV professionals.
Thanks Neil 👍
I would definitely echo to anybody that Orkney is an extraordinary and special place to visit. I harbour dreams of moving to Westray but they are just that. I have managed to visit Orkney for three holidays in the past 20 years and I will be going back for more.
Would be nice to meet Jonathan for lunch whilst I am there.
My mum had a 24kw and never lost any bars. She has the 40kw one now and had it since beginning of last summer. She loves the Leaf.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Yea! the two best men in the EV world in one video. Who could ask for more!!
Awww thanks 😊
Thanks Robert and Jonathan. This was so interesting. I'm retired now and thought electric cars were out of my reach. I will save Jonathan's site to my favourites!
I just purchased my first EV here in US. 2015 Nissan Leaf with 56,000 miles on the odo. Really excited about it. 👏🏻
I have "Book-Marked" this, so if anybody asks about second hand EVs I can send them the link!
On second hand values: We ordered one of the first round of 'Founders' cars for the Kia eNero. There was a waiting list of about 9 months. We collected ours, then they added £3k to the price! We could have run ours for a year, then sold it for the price that we paid new, I have no doubt. But we are keeping it for the long term, as it does what we need it to, at a lifetime average of 5 miles per kWh so far. Charged mainly on solar. . . . . Why change?
Your comment about replacing battery cells in the Renault Zoe is being addressed. We are seeing quite a few needing to be replaced and are currently developing a programme to support the brand. We are also addressing the subject of swapping from battery lease to complete ownership. EOL (End of Life) seems to be the largest issue when dealing with this area. We are seeing very positive responses in being able to handle this awkward subject.
We are really looking forward to a reasonable second hand EV market in Australia but probably 5 years away.
I buy used Premium EV's for a main dealer group and Tesla's are currently making very high prices in auction. Spec does make a difference of course, alloy wheel size, number of seats, enhanced autopilot etc. I would suggest not waiting till the end of the month for a sort after electric cars as they have probably got none in stock and the financial kickbacks only take effect for dealers if the cars are delivered in the month mainly end of quarter. Jonathan is a great guy and his channel is very informative. I personally would buy a car in manufacturers warranty or you might find yourself with a big repair bill or selling batteries and motors to the EV conversion enthusiasts....Aka the Chargeheads. #ChargeheadsUK
Well played to Jonathan. A man of good service to his customers.
Ok, I leased. Simply because it was less impacting on my wallet than a used EV was. I could either realistically buy a 24-30KWh Leaf or lease a VW ID.3. The former would have made a big dent in my savings, the latter hardly makes a day to day difference, because I can manage it over time. Also, in 3 years, I can appraise the whole scenario again, should I wish to purchase outright.
Have to say that I was finally pushed over the edge by FC's previous excellent video on leasing an EV. 😋
For me as an ice motorcyclist who wish to change to ev motorcycle there would be a dealer like Jonathan, if he dipped his toes in to ev motorcycles I would buy from him.
Just find a local dealer Darren. Try www.zeromotorcycles.com for starters......
Got 2 pre-owned EVs from Current Automotive. Highly recommended. 👍
I’ve had my iPad for over 11years and the battery is still great.
Oh wait, u guys have 2 channels full of EV's content? Awesome! Thanks a lot! Cheers from Portugal!
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Glad to see you addressing the cheaper end of the market..I'm one of those people for whom an electric car would be ideal..50 mile round trip commute 3 or 4 times a week..my Honda Jazz continues to impress running like it was a 2 yr old car not a 18 yr old and showing 140k miles. Not let me down once in the 4 years of ownership..but I'd be looking to replace it with a 3 to 5k car and I can't see anything in the EV sector that is likely to match the Honda for practicality , space and value so I'll probably buy another..which is a shame because I would love to join the EVolution of the species!! See what I did there!! 😂. First EV manufacturer to give Joe public a 70 mph 150 mile range basic electric vehicle for say 7.5k will have more orders than they can handle and I may just be in the queue.windy windows, radio, 2 door 2+2 hatch the size of a Fiat 500.low tech low cost easy charging from 3 pin socket...sold to the man with the Honda!!
I got a volt off lease for $10,000 USD. And a smart ED electric car for $5000.
When I bought them, I assumed I would drive them to the ground, no matter how badly they deprecate.
They have gone up in value.
Usually cars like the Leaf are disposed of when the battery had degraded; so typically you need to replace the battery pack in order to restore range to usable; Europe being closer together may be different than the USA. So you end up putting about $5000 into a $5000 car and end up with a pretty short range, small EV; adequate for some and 1/5th the price of a Tesla.
A man of your infinite wealth could really do with a new chair Robert. I Will now continue watching the video.
I'd like to buy one 😉✌🏻🇬🇧
Have you reviewed the Nissan Evalia yet?
I'm not a fan of the battery lease on the Zoe but I wish he had made it clear now you can purchase the battery outright, and there were a few models labelled ( i ) that were battery owned from new as well. Personally when I see the front of the old leaf it makes me throw up a bit😂
I'm doing this right now, and I find the best value is the 33.5 kwh Ford Focus Electric. Fast, fun, and very inexpensive to buy. The issue is size and trunk space.
Even I have heard of Jonathan and I am in America.
Mg zs EVs can suffer with early corrosion underneath too
Having spent a few holidays on Orkney I assure you that you can get very calm days. They are quite rare but they do happen.
Most likely though is that your hat is on the way to Norway. Plenty of wind for those turbines.
Jonathan says he doesn't like the 30 kw battery on the "old" Nissan Leaf. So how recent does the 30 kw version have to be to avoid the heating up problem?
What’s Tesla’s view on second hand Tesla’s for continued software upgrades and access to super chargers etc
Jonathan helped me buy my Kangoo ZE and get it from Glasgow down to Devon. Genuine and knowledgable, if you are thinking of buying a used EV, talk to Jonathan.
It's taken some time, but history is now showing how dependable, useful, reliable and goof value for money an EV are. The next decade is only going to get better as we transition.
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EXCELLENT video. Does Eco Cars also supply for the U.S. buyers? Thank you.
I don't think they will Frank. The steering wheel will be on the wrong side, plus the charge circuitry will be set up for 240 volts, not your 115 volts or whatever you use these days....
@@Brian-om2hh Thanks!
I ordered an E Niro 64kW 4+ in October that arrived in Jan. I paid £35,550 for it.
The exact same car at the same garage is now selling for £39,990.
The removal of the £3500 plug in grant for new evs over £35k happened in March, hence the price 'rise'
I wish the BMW i3 would be mentioned more now as available from £10k. I will probably go for the added range extender petrol engine REX model as I have no home charging option so will make it more manageable for me.
Check out the recent episode on Fully charged plus, where they discuss sharing home chargers... You don't need to have the charger at home if someone else in the neighborhood shares his one
@@Daddo22 I did see but unless someone would let me park and charge overnight, it wouldn't work for me. I also wouldn't buy any EV without CCS rapid charging in the UK.
The plugging-in/charging routine varies massively between cars/batteries.....eg it’s fine/recommended by the manufacturer to keep a BMW i3 plugged in... to help keep the 12volt ancillary battery topped up... the top buffer on the main/high voltage battery is set to allow the thing to be always on charge. Very different with a Tesla....with these owners are advised to usually charge to 80/85%.. owners need to set their own top limit as the BMS (battery management system) will allow the battery to fully charge to a ‘real’ 100 %..... horses for courses!
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15:41 Comparable BMWs in terms of years and mileage are much cheaper than Model S sedans because BMWs cost a fortune in maintenance to keep running after the warranty expires. All they do is break: evidence; Hoovies Garage, Scotty Kilmer, any mechanic ever.
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Is that an Ikea shelf behind him?
Can you ask Jonathan if his wallpaper is original 70's or retro... I will recycle it!
Thats Mrs P , new wallpaper , yours truly hung it , and its still up 🤣
But surely the fact second hand values of EVs hold so well, the leases should therefore be much cheaper than their ICE counterparts but it’s simply not the case. It seems there must be a lot of money to be made leasing EVs!
Who knew, John Oliver's older brother deals in EV's!
I saw the thumbnail and thought it was John Oliver at first.
When are Chinese brands coming here to sell Robert?
This dealership is just a couple of miles from me, classicandelectricvehicles.co.uk/, and operates in much the same way as Jonathan, and no doubt others like them will be popping up around the country.
There's a garage just a few units down from where I work where all the mechanics are qualified to service/repair electric vehicle drivetrains (the last one in a few weeks ago wasn't a pure EV, but a nice black NSX hybrid), which is also an important point to sort out as it's not possible to just go anywhere, especially if the 'pre-loved' EV is out of warranty!
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We are coming to a point in time where EVs are going to out sell petrol cars how will the market tackel that.
It seems EV cars are way more popular in the UK than in North America. What there are of EV's are way to expensive
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8:00 lizard batteries
I live in Texas; can I still buy a car from Johnathan and have them deliver the car?
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Wow. I thought that was John Oliver for a moment…
"How to make a small fortune on EV Cars" start with a large one.
If only I had seen this before I bought a 30kwh Leaf in December, it had a duff cell in the middle of the pack and had to sell at a loss to we buy any car, so beware and plug in leaf spy before you buy second hand, if Jonathan wants to keep clear of it when it pops up on auction I'll pass on the registration. My MG is a much better car.
@@Koda14 The problem being it was still showing 11 out of 12 bars on the battery health so I would have a fight on my hands to get Nissan to agree that the pack was faulty, but the biggest fault was that the previous owner hadn't completed the service which was due in early 2020, I contacted Nissan's and they weren't helpful nor able to guarantee that the vehicle would have maintained it's warranty, so I contacted Cleevey's and Matt was very helpful, he told me after looking at the screenshots of leafspy I had sent him that it would cost about £700 minimum to remove the pack, charge it back to match the rest of the pack, but it would be no guarantee that this would carry on working or revert to unbalanced later on, yes I could have sold it privately but felt it would be unfair to do so. I therefore cut my losses selling to we buy etc. I've now got an MG ZS EV, and wish I'd gone for that first of all as it's way better even over the mk2 leafs, registration of old car GU17SKO avoid at all costs.
Johnathans friend basically rented a Tesla for £200!
I wonder if people ever go back to an ICE car from an electric car?
@@Koda14 Interesting! Where are you based? I think range anxiety is the major thing right now, even though it's probably not significant for 95 % of all trips. It's just that that 5 % tend to be important journeys.
You didn't tell me how, either
As he says battery condition on a used ev is 'Russian roulette' and you won't know until after you've paid. Many manufacturers only expose the battery condition data via a main dealer's diagnostic tools. Let's face it evs like all secondhand cars are passed on when they exhibit problems. You're naive if you trust that the battery is ok, capacity diminishes depending upon how its used, and you can't check that, buyer beware.
If you buy from a dealer you have legal protection. If you buy an EV most have 7 or 8 years battery warranty so you are not going to get a huge bill.
And do your homework: no need to buy the first one available whatever the car is.
EV? Buying 2nd hand? Buy an OBD dongle and stick it in the car you fancy. It will not sugar-coat the truth about the battery condition, including its real capacity now and the degradation since new. Caveat Emptor if you buy online! As this guest seller/dealer frankly says, he doesn't have time or access to do this.
#Windy
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When you by a second hand car you want to get as many years as you can out of it to get your money back timing belts water pumps clutches even a new engine is less than a battery pack just wait till the Chinese cars arrive
Auctions nowadays are not as they were a few years ago. BCA now cream off the best lease cars on their return and retail them through their "New Company" called Cinch and we've all seen the ads with the guy who has the big white teeth. Cinch reviews are not of the best reading either. I wouldn't be surprised if Manheim and the other national auction houses do or will start doing the same.
This means that the quality of the cars at auction now are not as good as they were before Cinch.
I've bought many cars from auction houses for myself mainly but also for friends and family, Manheim, BCA and Wilsons etc etc and over those many years cars owe me nothing as I've mainly bought for my own use but now cars at auction have a higher risk of problems with repair bills and cost to repair/replace going through the roof.
Auction buyers beware, John seems to know what he's doing and his profit doesn't seem extortionate.
There's a fixation especially in Europe that ev's are the way out of climate change and internal combustion engines is are bad this not the case. Internal combustion engines have developed to such a level they are no longer an issue for the climate it's fossil fuels that are the issue efuels now being developed will resolve the emissions issues of ice yes there is a place for ev's but they alone are not the answer. We're always lurching from one thing to another only to find out later it was wrong, it's not one or another it's a combination of things which will resolve the climate issues
EV's are not touted as the panacea to climate change at all. There are issues that you allude to but conveniently do not expand upon. Firstly though, urban pollution is massively reduced when you take fossil burners away from densely populated areas. Yes, you are redistributing the pollution but it is more diluted and therefore less toxic to the individual.
As regards synthetic fuels: what are you going to make them from? We need agricultural land to feed people, not cars.
Electric can be generated by varying means all over the planet whether it be solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, water storage, etc. and electricity is hugely versatile, accessible and easy to use. Oil needs to be transported, refined and stored for distribution.
EV's may not be your answer but the bigger picture says that electricity is far cleaner and more practical than fossil fuels.
Still too expensive for people.
Hmm. Sorry, but I didn't hear anything encouraging. 😞 A great time to be an EV dealer, eh? Massive interest... High prices... Competitive market... Not just maintaining their value but climbing... EVs = juicy profits = 2 decent holidays a year... Loadsamoney! A used £65,000 Tesla for £40,000... An equivalent sporty BMW would cost £6,000...
If that weren't so disgusting it'd be hilarious.
EVs are definitely not meant for poor people. They're starting to make me quite angry, actually. Like Apple products and Dyson vacuum cleaners: brutal marketing; reassuringly expensive. Aspirational pricing.
But I don't have to buy a £1,300 iPad - I can buy a £50 tablet from Argos. I don't need to spend £500 on a poxy Dyson; I can get a £30 vacuum from the local DIY shop.
So where are the cheap EVs? If I can't spend £30,000 on a posh new one, why can't I buy crappy new one for £3,000?
I like my old bike more and more. It costs me nothing but a bit of physical effort.
EVs be damned.
Porterfield had a Leaf for sale at £2.5k with a 60 mile range.
@@Lookup2Wakeup thing is, a £60 tablet from Argos pretty much does everything a £1300 iPad does(!).
However, a Leaf with a 60 mile range is a car which would be unusable for many people!
You've really gotta want an EV to buy one with 60 miles(and falling!) range........!
Great comment and see my first one.
Why do this cars looks so bad? Even if they where cheap and a great car.
Why would i spend money one somthing my cats trhew up.
Bitter?
@A N Other They are. There are actualy a bunch of Great evs for ok price Who actualy looks decent
Why would i put down money on something i dont like?
Problem with this cheaper EV is like all of them look like a freaking Turd.
Who designed this uggly ass cars haha.
Even The ionoq have so shitty interior.
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