My grandmother worked at the train station (Union Terminal) in Cincinnati OH from the 40s until the late 60s (I think). Ginger Rogers came through often promoting her line a luggage. They became casual friends because my grandmother handled celebrities. Ms Rogers tried to gift her with a set of luggage but she wasn't allowed to accept it. She couldn't ask for autographs or photos either. Ms. Rogers had her people find out where my grandmother lived and delivered a set to her. I'm not sure when this was but I know my grandmother used the luggage on every vacation for the rest of her life. She met dozens of stars. Clark Gable, Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, Lana Turner, Doris Day, Marx Brothers, Abbot & Costello ... even Sea Biscuit and War Admiral. I grew up on the stories. The hundreds of soldiers camped outside the terminal after WWII trying to make connections to get home all over the country. Circus trains comjng through. She had a hard life as a widow with 6 children but she lived a colorful life. She was my hero.
Thank you for your beautiful comment. My grandfather was a great man who did many things that he was criticized for, he did it anyway. He was a tall, very strong man when he met my grandmother. She was a divorced woman with a baby girl. He pursued her for a little over a year. After her divorce, she didn't want anything to do with men. Finally, she agreed to let him take her out for lunch as long as she could bring her daughter. They were married 3 months after that, they had 4 more daughters. My grandmother didn't like living in the city, so they bought a large farm house in the country to raise their children. My Grandfather & Grandmother had been married for 45 years when he had a major heart attack. He asked the doctor what he must do to be able to live until their 50th wedding anniversary. He totally changed the way he did everything. He had 3 more heart attacks, the doctor was amazed that he was still alive, walking around. 1 month after their 50th wedding anniversary, that was celebrated with a large back yard party, put on by friends & family he had another heart attack, he passed on the next day. People may say there are no men like him in todays world. My youngest daughter married a man just like my grandfather.Tall, strong, intelligent, kind hearted with a heap of integrity.
Supposedly Fred's newly-wed wife Phyllis was very jealous of Ginger and therefore publicly their relationship was just cordial...however in Ginger's autobiography Fred comes off much warmer...he sent her a lovely congrats note on her performance in 'Kitty Foyle' starting with a "Hello Cutie" and indicating he was hopefully looking forward to seeing her soon. Fred also gave her a beautiful gold travel watch which was auctioned off at Christie's in London after Ginger's death. So much for them not getting along. I also read Fred was known to stop by and occasionally visit her on set and on one occasion when a reporter noticed Fred roaming around asked Ginger why he was there since "they didn't get along" she firmly replied that that was a lie. (I'm speculating possibly concocted by the studio bosses at RKO to assuage a very jealous Phyllis). For anyone who is interested, Ginger's autobiography is a great read and I highly recommend it.
It was indeed a sight to behold Maria, but NEVER is a big ask. I wonder how many dancers there are currently who work together like Fred and Ginger and who are fantastic, but never get the breaks. Musical/dance movies are rarer than the Golden Years of Hollywood but they do occasionally pop up, they are too good to forever be lost as a movie genre.
I love Ginger Rogers! One of my all-time favorite movie stars. Thank you Ginger Rogers for all the happiness you brought into my life with your movies .
I read that Fred didn’t want to be a team with anyone because of his sister’s departure. Her departure killed a extremely successful career which left Fred to rebuild his life. According him, he had a rough time starting over again. So, it’s understandable that he was reluctant to be typecast again.
Ginger Rogers was amazing. She wasn't just a triple threat, but was great in comedy and drama, stage and screen, a real powerhouse. She's my personal favorite from old Hollywood.
That feathered dress. Despite Astaire's complaints, it's iconic, moves beautifully, and certainly we women always mention it when discussing the duo. "Top Hat" remains my favorite of their movies together. Her performance in "Stage Door" is my favorite of Rogers' non-dancing appearances.
No question, Fred & Ginger's chemistry when dancing was unmatched. My only quibble with your video is the listing you gave of their joint movies, something that's easy to check. Lots of nice pictures of Ginger!
I think they were a lot closer than you suggest. They moved in different circles and didn't particularly socialise but they always dropped in to see each other at the studios if they were passing as the other was filming. Ginger was often quoted in response to people asking why Fred was there saying: "Contrary to popular belief we don't hate each other". And dont forget that it was Fred who requested Ginger for 'Flying Down To Rio'. Plus, in 1942 they attended a New Year's Party where they basically spent the whole evening together talking and dancing, while their respective spouces chatted. They wouldn't have if they weren't friendly. I think it is more they were both perfectionists which meant they argued a bit as that goes with it. I mean, if you want a good example look at Torvill and Dean who are famous for a similar partnership and are known to be best of friends and still are 40 years later. Yet, after a fly on the wall documentary, the British public got a different idea of their relationship because they saw what happened when things go wrong for perfectionists. I am not sure why the studio put out the idea that they hated each other as they spent most of their lives trying to explain this was wrong. Rumour has it that this is why they even agreed to an on screen kiss as to stop these rumours that they hate each other and that was why they had never kissed on screen (at least). The only thing we have to go off backstage first hand is a few clips where they are messing around together and the note and feathers charm which Fred gave Ginger after 'Top Hat' which said: "Dear feathers, I love ya". Hardly sounds like two people who couldn't stand each other. Plus, even though Fred didn't want to have a new partner having lived in his sister's shadow for the previous 27 years leading up to then and despite fearing a permanent partnership, of all the cemeteries in the world, they are buried within 200m of each other (literally). Apparently, Fred helped Ginger have her mother buried near his family plot and so both families are literally within sight of each other and are the only big names in this quiet and secluded cemetery in California. ETA - He never spoke as highly of Ginger lately because some of the others were more technical. It was their chemistry which Fred and Ginger such massive names mixed with still very good dancing. I think the biggest question is what might have they been like if Fred hadn't married Phyllis? Firstly, he used to socialise a lot when in the 1920's but that stopped completely once he was married and rarely attended any events which is so telling that when he did (such as in 1942 - just search "Fred and Ginger 1942" in Google images) acted like a good friend of Ginger's. And it seems from most accounts (especially Ginger's) it was his wife who banned any on screen kisses and she would sit on the side with her knitting keeping a close eye on them. [And only with her but maybe not surprising seeing how her husband specifically requested a beautiful 22 years old movie star who he dated less than a year earlier].
Thanks for this! Some great points, more along the lines of what I have heard before too. Plus, your explanation stayednon track instead of hopping around like the video. So thanks! 🌟
You mention the relationship between Torville and Dean. But as he was gay and she wasn't, I doubt there was anything other than professional. Astaire and Rogers were both married to other people, so maybe they were good friends, if there is such a thing between men and women. Oh, and don't believe this, Ginger apparently broke down and cried with the pressure he imposed, as a perfectionist, about dance routines.
I remember reading somewhere, that he had dated her years before and when they were looking for somebody he suggested her. This was in a biog about his life. But, he was a perfectionist who gave her hell getting each move more than 100 percent right. He drove her in one film, into the night, rehearsing one number until the dance floor was covered in blood from her feet, and the shoes she was wearing. She soldiered on in agony and you might imagine he'd notice her pain but he seemingly didn't. Or just wanted the perfect take.
Hold everything: Torville and Dean? Dean was gay, and while in Australia he reputedly had an affair with 'Molly" Meldrum. So, the interest was professional, not intimate. Also, I think Jan was married to somebody else.
PS: Yes, Phyllis used to be there when they filmed various films, I believe. However, not necessarily to keep tabs on Fred. More possible was that he was simply embarrassed in front of her when he had to dance closely. Seems they were very happy and when you are, you trust. Yes, in that biog I read they mentioned that. But they dismissed stories about any other relationship but professional. He was very disciplined.
The both had amazing talent and the way they danced together was at another level, almost super natural, like they were both plugged into the same control panel, Poetry in motion.
HUGE Astaire fan, always wary when people want to suggest they hated each other, simply because they didn't hang out together. Often overlooked is how busy Ginger was DURING these Astaire films. Her noted acting work was not done just before/after the Astaire films, but throughout them. Fred worked on each Rogers film, one at a time. Ginger had other films going all the time. IMDB lists 20 films Ginger did from her first RKO Astaire film to the last one a few years later. The routine was Astaire co-hort Hermes Pan would create and rehearse the Ginger parts with Fred, then Ginger would come in at he end and be quickly taught the steps. She'd film her scenes, then run off to another picture. Not much time to hang out and laugh. Both had huge respect for each other though as hard workers, something each valued in a co-worker, and not always common. I think their love for each other grew in later years when they could look back and realize how wonderfully what they created turned out. Two different people who worked together, handled disagreements in a professional way, and created timeless magic.
Fred explicitly states in his autobiography that his wife, Phyllis, didn't restrict Fred from kissing Ginger in his films. Fred thought kissing to show romance was a cheap gimmick and he didn't want to stoop to that level. He preferred to showcase falling in love and being in love through dance, which in truth is much more effective in his films than a kiss was. Anyway, Phyllis even came to the watch the reels of their first on-screen kiss in "Carefree", and based on how he quotes his wife and retells it, it sounded like Phyllis was amused, rather than jealous. It's true that Fred withholds opinions of many of his costars, including Ginger, who is really hardly mentioned in his book, but he was also a private person and never wanted to actually hurt others' feelings and have it reflect poorly on him. They really did respect each other, even if at times they didn't get along as people. Whatever disagreements they had about each other, it never got in the way of their art, and I agree with this video that it shows a testament to their consummate professionalism.
Thank you very much for this tribute to Fred and Ginger! She is my all-time favorite actress for many reasons. One correction: She sang “We’re in the Money” in the movie Golddiggers of 1933, not in 42nd Street.
My favorite actress of the era, she could do it all - sing, dance, comedy, drama ... nothing was beyond her talent. She was the consummate professional.
She was absolutely gorgeous the very definition of eye candy. Although having had five marriages suggest she may have been a difficult person; not unusual for those blessed with exceptionally good looks.
I think that this video downplays Ginger's dancing ability and plays up any conflict between Fred and Ginger. God only knows what was fact or fiction back in those days, with the Hedda Hopper's of the world, making up lies about everyone. Ginger was absolutely stunning and her wardrobe was to die for.
I think Fred was wise, he didnt marry another actor, or actress, so there was no conflict. Ginger, who I love, I feel went into show business very young and was probably scared and insecure, marrying at 17 yrs. She picked men in show business mainly, one marine. Sad that she had so many unhappy endings in marriage, I quess didnt know her real worth.
I disagree that Ginger Rogers's acting talent was limited. She proved that she was a wonderful comedienne in two of my favorite films: "Roxy Hart" and "Monkey Business". She even showed that she could play a villian in the 1954 film, "Black Widow".
She was a showgirl chorus dancer when she was teamed with Astaire. But as she went along she learned her craft. By the time she wanted to be a serious actress she had developed as an actress.
As far as their dance routines are concerned...Ginger had natural talent and abilities but she was not a 'trained' dancer and was a little wobbly in the beginning. It took a bit more effort on the part of Fred and Hermes Pan but they worked with her and she worked very hard and never complained. She was a real pro and a wonderful actress.
Even if they loathed one another, it wouldn't have matter. Both were professionals and more than once they came as close to perfection as human beings are capable. "Cheek to Cheek" Top Hat (Yeah, that dress) "The Way You Look Tonight" Swing Time.
I think it's grand that after decades of reflection Fred decided to be gracious and admit how well they complemented each other. We viewers agree. I have seen more of Ginger's movies than any other star.
Astaire danced with a number of Hollywood stars besides Rogers. Charise, Hayworth, Garland and others were teamed with Astaire to great success. Rogers had a number of popular films without dancing and without Astaire. They were the ultimate partnership on film because they were the ultimate professionals. They didn't need to be more than cooperative.
I remember seeing an interview with Ginger Rogers where she said she took umbrage at those critics who called her films with Fred, Fred Astaire musicals, not Fred and Ginger films. Then there is the saying "Ginger did everything Fred did, but backwards and in high heels". In answer to Ginger, that may partly be due to the fact that while she virtually abandoned musical films to pursue a dramatic career after her partnership with Fred, he continued to make musicals for nearly two decades more, creating an body-of-work of which his films with Ginger were a very important a part of, but still only a part of, while Ginger's dramatic films were outside the musical genre and are not part of a cohesive body-of-work. As to that other saying, it's simply not true. Yes, when dancing together she did what he did backwards, but in their movies together he did much more. When Fred first came to RKO the studio assigned young dancer to work with him, with the unlikely name of Hermes Pan. If you look at the credits of most of Fred's musical films as well as his later TV specials Hermes Pan is listed as either dance director or later choreographer. It's documented in many places, including Fred's autobiography, how they worked together. Several months before filming started Fred and Hermes would get together at the studio and work out the dance steps. Hermes would dance the female part and they created the full dance numbers together. Then, a week or two before filming started, Ginger (or his later female co-stars) came in and Hermes would teach her the steps. While Fred was co-creator of the dances (for which he never took screen credit), Ginger had no part in the creative process. It should also be noted that in most Fred/Ginger films Fred sang about three songs, while Ginger had at best maybe one song or just a duet with Fred, in some she didn't even have a vocal solo. Even in dancing he almost always had solo dance numbers in the films, while she did so rarely. I do not mean to disparage Ginger by pointing out that that her contribution to their films was not as great as Fred's. As a previous comment noted, she made about ten films without Fred during the period of their screen partnership, while he made only one without her in that period. Ginger was a wonderful performer, a superb dancer and fine actress and they had great onscreen chemistry that was never duplicated by any of his subsequent dance partners, even Cyd Charisse, who was arguably even a better dancer than Ginger. Arlene Croce's famous comment about Fred and Ginger may be truer. He gave her class, she gave him sex appeal. Indeed, it could be argued that as great as Fred was, he might not have achieved the iconic status he did without the underpinning of the Fred/Ginger partnership! It is true they dated briefly in New York when they were both stage stars. Fred in his autobiography states something to the effect he was turned off by Ginger's Mama Rose-like overbearing stage mother. He was also a decade older than her, which means when they dated she was barely passed her teens. But, if in real life if they didn't have the chemistry that just fills up the screen in their films, they did respect each other and remained friends. If you haven't yet guessed, Fred Astaire is my favorite entertainer of all-time. So don't take the gibberish in this video at face value, read the books about or by them, especially Fred and Gingers autobiographies to get a more authentic picture.
I agree with many of your points. I might add that I've read Hermes Pan stated in his autobiography that in 1939 when Ginger told RKO executives that she didn't want to do anymore musicals...thus ending their psrtnership (till.1949)...that Fred was very..very upset regarding the future trajectory of his career. As we all know...he went on to sprinkle his magic with a variety of beautiful actresses/dancers.
It is interesting to note a couple of things here. Hermes Pan would work with Astaire, dancing the female role as they choreographed together. Pan would then teach the finished choreography to Ginger, dancing the male role. Only at that point would Fred and Ginger dance together, with Pan advising. So the dynamic of the 'Fred and Ginger' couple wasn't that of equals. She definitely did not do everything that Fred did at all. Hermes Pan is a fascinating figure in Hollywood at the time. A huge talent, and friends with many stars, he worked with Fred on 17 of his 31 films and many others in his own right. Ginger was also fit in a way that a lot of Fred's other dancing partners were not. She was athletic. I consider that the lean athleticism Ginger had at the time has helped the continuation of the legendary partnership. David Niven mentions in his books that Ginger could have been a tennis professional. When it comes to being pigeonholed in Hollywood, it is completely logical that Fred should have fought against being part of a professional partnership. It should be noted that Fred was hugely successful dancing with his sister Adele. However, my grandparents (who saw them on stage) considered that Adele was the better of the two dancers. Their partnership finished when Adele married Lord Charles Cavendish and retired from show business. Ginger's politics and the relationship with her mother (who acted as her agent) might not have encouraged friendship off screen with the family man Fred.
Hermes taught Ginger the dance moves because he was a better teacher than Fred was, and Ginger was usually off doing another - or three - movies. She was super busy but when she started the movie, she was all in. Hermes was just as talented as Fred, but in different ways, and was utterly amazing. Add in Hal Borne, a genius piano player, and this quartet made history. Repeatedly and regularly! Fred and Hermes trained Ginger for 19 years, and you can see the progression of her dance skills if you watch the dances in order. P.S. I WISH we had video of Adele dancing!
@@lanecountybigfooters5716 Oh Yes - according to my grandfather who sawFred and Adele several times in London, Adele was the better dancer and the one who drew one's eye.
One more thing...Hermes Pan when interviewed after Fred's death mentioned how insecure Fred was to the point of not wanting to view the previous day's filming or rushes as he referred to them...he would ask Pan to take a look and Pan would day "Fred you look great". He apparently couldn't understand Fred's insecurities in light of his fame and popularity.
My favorite female dancer was Cyd Charisse but Ginger was great with Fred and they made an iconic team. I really enjoyed Top Hat and the Gay Divorcee the most of all of their movies.
I always wonder what Fred Astaire (or Gene Kelly) would think of the great talent that Derek Hough possesses, and how they would compare his dancing technique (which is impeccable) to their own styles. I believe that if ANYONE should inherit the title that Mr. Astaire, at one-time, "owned" as "the world's greatest dancer", it should be Derek. He is absolutely AMAZING! And this is coming from someone who grew up on Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers and Gene Kelly movies and performances!
My little boy had no filter. We were visiting Bob, the elderly bus driver who picked him and his brother and sister in rural Montana. Bob was a world war II pilot and his son had a long and distinguished naval flying career. Among Bob' collection was a piece of moon rock given to his son for saving the Venus probe and an autographed photo of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. My son asked directly if he could have the photo after Bob dies in a few years.
Does anyone every read the script before it's recorded? First he attributes the famous "...backwards in heels.." quote to Ginger and then to the Governor of Texas.
As said by millions and millions, Rogers matches Astaire moves perfectly, better than perfectly, Rogers did everything Astaire did as was just said in this posting in high heals and backwards.
No she didn't! It's one of the most unfair quotes about anyone. She was honest enough to admit that if she wore a long enough dress she would fake the step. Her steps were nowhere near as crisp, neat or expertly executed as his. She never learnt how to spot when spinning and couldn't do a controlled spin. She was " effective" as Fred himself said, but not one tenth the dancer be was.
Ginger was a good dancer but where she excelled was as a terrific actress in dramatic as well as comedic parts... From what I've read.. later in life Fred gave much credit to her for the success of their 10 films.
Astaire died before Rogers. Rogers asked his most recent wife for permission to have some of his work made available as (I think) a legacy of old Hollywood, but the widow refused. I don't recall details beyond that.
She had a ranch. She also put out ginger's milk at one time. As much as she was always blonde in many of her films, her true hair color was auburn, unless I'm wrong, and she would dye it auburn sometimes.
Contrary to belief Ginger was NOT a diabetic! If you take the trouble to read her autobiography or watch the numerous television interviews both she and her screen partners gave over the years there is absolutely NO mention of it. Furthermore she made a total of 73 movies in a film career spanning 35 years and was a superb athlete, excelling in tennis, swimming, golf, sailing etc etc., and she loved ice cream. Do you think that film studios would entertain anyone who was basically "a risk". I know of people who suffer from type 1 diabetes and when I relate this falsehood to them they laugh in disbelief. My theory is that this is a classic "chinese whisper", evidently the root vegetable GINGER is good for the treatment of diabetes,,, enough said.
the first picture doesn't even look like Ginger Rogers. I've noticed on other videos that they have the wrong picture. if you're going to do something at least do it right!
Would she have been as big if she hadn’t played alongside Fred? Don’t think so, she might have made it but not as big and I like ginger just my opinion not that it matters much, ps I’m a leg man and man oh man does ginger have beautiful legs
Poor video, you spent more time ripping down Fred Astaire then you did talking about the subject of this video. Remember, Ginger danced as well as she did because of Fred.
The two were just professional comrades at best. Astaire was married (a couple of times) before they ever met and they were both married before they made a picture together. Fred Astaire said he loved to DANCE with Ginger Rogers, but the studios hated them to dance together because she was taller in flat shoes than he was in lifts. All their fans saw Rogers was NEARLY as graceful as Astaire, and probably his most graceful dancing partner. I personally would have always liked to see Mitsi Gaynor paired with Fred Astaire, but he was really too old by the mid '50's to co-star with her in full-blown top-drawer Hollywood musicals with the price tags they had attained. Elvis musicals were the only break-even ones.
You are absolutely wrong regarding Fred's ... "marriages"??? I've read Fred"s autobiography....his first marriage was to Phyllis Potter (who was a divorcee who died from lung cancer in 1954). They had two children. He remained a widower until 1981 when he married the famous jockey Robin Smith.
Yeah, Main Character Syndrome is hardly a new phenomena, or unfortunate byproduct of the absolute cultural blight that is Tik Tok. It's just too bad no one had the cajones back then to tell Fred to get t/f over it. They may have grown into a mutual professional respect for one another, but I think there was likely a bit of envy there that never quite resolved itself. I think Astaire was a very insecure man, hence his being absolutely consumed by attaining the unattainable: perfection. That being said, I don't get the sense that they ever truly disliked each other to the point of contention, as portrayed by some media and tabloid gossip mills of the day. 🌟💃✨🕺🌟
Wasn’t it ginger complimenting herself by saying she did everything in high heels and backwards. All female dancers do the same. She did nothing special
I am so sick of hearing Rogers did everything Astaire did, but backward and in high heels. She was not a great tap dancer, she was great at mimicking what Fred did, (she did dance on Broadway and TV later on, but never at the level as with Astaire) she did not choreograph their dance steps, Astaire and Astaire's choreographer did, those are not her tap steps you hear, Astaire dubbed both hers and his steps because taps can't be heard onset, and he got more money only because he refused another dancing partner, (danced with his sister for years) and was going to walk until they sweetened the deal...offered him more money, percent of the pictures, and every picture had to have a spot where he danced a big number alone. So, there you have it! And I still love Ginger. I'm just saying...
And if you look at the choreography, she actually doesn't move backward more often than he does. They twirl around each other far more often. (I'll give you the high heels, though.) I know what that comment is trying to say, but they picked the wrong example.
@@Bigbadwhitecracker Pan was the lynchpin of the partnership- the hyphen in Rolls-Royce. His coaching lifted her performance from chorine to worthy duet partner. He and Ginger were lifelong friends. Nevertheless Ginger was so nervous of the solo spot that in ten films with Fred she did precisely one minute alone: tapping in shorts, as seen in the still at 5:22. Nor did Ginger's career on screen after 1939 feature dancing. She was not interested in hoofing for its own sake; it was acting that raised her to the status of Hollywood's highest paid lady in the mid-1940s. None made such expressive use of her face and body; you always knew exactly what she was thinking and feeling 'in the moment'.
@@amahra100 Well thank fuck because that is good to know. I didn't believe it anyway honestly because I've seen all their movies together and I payed close attention too the chemistry they both shared together and honestly i seen no signs of distain for one another at all between them. In fact they are one of my favorite all time pairings in classic cinema. And perhaps maybe this guy needs to get his facts straight on this channel instead of claiming false things. Is that really to much to ask?
It is a pity that they had to spend most of their lives explaining that what the studios had said was wrong. From quotes over the years, that every time they were seen at an event chatting or dancing together or when one would drop into see the other at a studio if the other was passing or filming nearby, they had to explain why they were being so friendly and civil to one another. I am merely speculating but I do wonder if they would have been closer if Fred hadn't married Phyllis. If you look at Fred's life during the 1920's he was always socialising. But then after he married Phyllis he didn't really go out and socialise that much. While at the studio, it is rumoured (mainly from Ginger) that it was Phyllis who insisted that they weren't allowed to have any on screen kisses and she would sit on the side with her knitting watching them like a hawk. I am not too surprised giving the timing, but it does make me wonder would they have been closer and spent more time socialising had she not been there. On the odd occasion when they did attend the same event as each other, such a New Year's Party in 1942, they spent the whole even chatting and dancing together.
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My grandmother worked at the train station (Union Terminal) in Cincinnati OH from the 40s until the late 60s (I think). Ginger Rogers came through often promoting her line a luggage. They became casual friends because my grandmother handled celebrities. Ms Rogers tried to gift her with a set of luggage but she wasn't allowed to accept it. She couldn't ask for autographs or photos either. Ms. Rogers had her people find out where my grandmother lived and delivered a set to her. I'm not sure when this was but I know my grandmother used the luggage on every vacation for the rest of her life. She met dozens of stars. Clark Gable, Bing Crosby, Bob Hope, Lana Turner, Doris Day, Marx Brothers, Abbot & Costello ... even Sea Biscuit and War Admiral. I grew up on the stories. The hundreds of soldiers camped outside the terminal after WWII trying to make connections to get home all over the country. Circus trains comjng through. She had a hard life as a widow with 6 children but she lived a colorful life. She was my hero.
Thank you for your beautiful comment. My grandfather was a great man who did many things that he was criticized for, he did it anyway. He was a tall, very strong man when he met my grandmother. She was a divorced woman with a baby girl. He pursued her for a little over a year. After her divorce, she didn't want anything to do with men. Finally, she agreed to let him take her out for lunch as long as she could bring her daughter. They were married 3 months after that, they had 4 more daughters. My grandmother didn't like living in the city, so they bought a large farm house in the country to raise their children.
My Grandfather & Grandmother had been married for 45 years when he had a major heart attack. He asked the doctor what he must do to be able to live until their 50th wedding anniversary.
He totally changed the way he did everything.
He had 3 more heart attacks, the doctor was amazed that he was still alive, walking around. 1 month after their 50th wedding anniversary, that was celebrated with a large back yard party, put on by friends & family he had another heart attack, he passed on the next day.
People may say there are no men like him in todays world. My youngest daughter married a man just like my grandfather.Tall, strong, intelligent, kind hearted with a heap of integrity.
@@FreeSpirit47 You honored your grandfather and his legacy in your words.
@@briardan9226 Thank you
What a nice thing to do ..I always liked her ..I know she was very good to her mother ,,
Great story. Thanks for sharing.
Supposedly Fred's newly-wed wife Phyllis was very jealous of Ginger and therefore publicly their relationship was just cordial...however in Ginger's autobiography Fred comes off much warmer...he sent her a lovely congrats note on her performance in 'Kitty Foyle' starting with a "Hello Cutie" and indicating he was hopefully looking forward to seeing her soon. Fred also gave her a beautiful gold travel watch which was auctioned off at Christie's in London after Ginger's death. So much for them not getting along.
I also read Fred was known to stop by and occasionally visit her on set and on one occasion when a reporter noticed Fred roaming around asked Ginger why he was there since "they didn't get along" she firmly replied that that was a lie.
(I'm speculating possibly concocted by the studio bosses at RKO to assuage a very jealous Phyllis).
For anyone who is interested, Ginger's autobiography is a great read and I highly recommend it.
There will never be another couple who can dance seamlessly and beautifully as these two did. Their dancing was simply poetry!
Look up Nils and Bianca. I love Fred and Ginger, but these two are amazing as well.
It was indeed a sight to behold Maria, but NEVER is a big ask. I wonder how many dancers there are currently who work together like Fred and Ginger and who are fantastic, but never get the breaks. Musical/dance movies are rarer than the Golden Years of Hollywood but they do occasionally pop up, they are too good to forever be lost as a movie genre.
Ginger did it in heels 👠and backwards.
@@valeriejean6507 But she never did any of his solos.
Rita Hayworth was ar least as good, and Cyd Charisse a better fit as a dancer.
I love Ginger Rogers! One of my all-time favorite movie stars. Thank you Ginger Rogers for all the happiness you brought into my life with your movies .
Ginger Rogers was absolutely a star in every sense of the word .period ...
Dancing perfection, what more can anyone say? Forever Astaire & Rogers.
You don't have a perfect onscreen presence without the element of love !
They were AMAZING together....
I saw an interview with Ginger Rogers where she said the supposed antagonism between she and Astaire had been made up by the studios to get publicity.
I read that Fred didn’t want to be a team with anyone because of his sister’s departure. Her departure killed a extremely successful career which left Fred to rebuild his life. According him, he had a rough time starting over again. So, it’s understandable that he was reluctant to be typecast again.
Ginger Rogers was amazing. She wasn't just a triple threat, but was great in comedy and drama, stage and screen, a real powerhouse. She's my personal favorite from old Hollywood.
That feathered dress. Despite Astaire's complaints, it's iconic, moves beautifully, and certainly we women always mention it when discussing the duo. "Top Hat" remains my favorite of their movies together. Her performance in "Stage Door" is my favorite of Rogers' non-dancing appearances.
No question, Fred & Ginger's chemistry when dancing was unmatched. My only quibble with your video is the listing you gave of their joint movies, something that's easy to check. Lots of nice pictures of Ginger!
I loved to watch the two of them together. No one dances on film today the way they did
I think they were a lot closer than you suggest. They moved in different circles and didn't particularly socialise but they always dropped in to see each other at the studios if they were passing as the other was filming. Ginger was often quoted in response to people asking why Fred was there saying: "Contrary to popular belief we don't hate each other". And dont forget that it was Fred who requested Ginger for 'Flying Down To Rio'. Plus, in 1942 they attended a New Year's Party where they basically spent the whole evening together talking and dancing, while their respective spouces chatted. They wouldn't have if they weren't friendly. I think it is more they were both perfectionists which meant they argued a bit as that goes with it. I mean, if you want a good example look at Torvill and Dean who are famous for a similar partnership and are known to be best of friends and still are 40 years later. Yet, after a fly on the wall documentary, the British public got a different idea of their relationship because they saw what happened when things go wrong for perfectionists.
I am not sure why the studio put out the idea that they hated each other as they spent most of their lives trying to explain this was wrong. Rumour has it that this is why they even agreed to an on screen kiss as to stop these rumours that they hate each other and that was why they had never kissed on screen (at least). The only thing we have to go off backstage first hand is a few clips where they are messing around together and the note and feathers charm which Fred gave Ginger after 'Top Hat' which said: "Dear feathers, I love ya". Hardly sounds like two people who couldn't stand each other.
Plus, even though Fred didn't want to have a new partner having lived in his sister's shadow for the previous 27 years leading up to then and despite fearing a permanent partnership, of all the cemeteries in the world, they are buried within 200m of each other (literally). Apparently, Fred helped Ginger have her mother buried near his family plot and so both families are literally within sight of each other and are the only big names in this quiet and secluded cemetery in California.
ETA - He never spoke as highly of Ginger lately because some of the others were more technical. It was their chemistry which Fred and Ginger such massive names mixed with still very good dancing.
I think the biggest question is what might have they been like if Fred hadn't married Phyllis? Firstly, he used to socialise a lot when in the 1920's but that stopped completely once he was married and rarely attended any events which is so telling that when he did (such as in 1942 - just search "Fred and Ginger 1942" in Google images) acted like a good friend of Ginger's. And it seems from most accounts (especially Ginger's) it was his wife who banned any on screen kisses and she would sit on the side with her knitting keeping a close eye on them. [And only with her but maybe not surprising seeing how her husband specifically requested a beautiful 22 years old movie star who he dated less than a year earlier].
Thanks for this! Some great points, more along the lines of what I have heard before too. Plus, your explanation stayednon track instead of hopping around like the video. So thanks! 🌟
You mention the relationship between Torville and Dean. But as he was gay and she wasn't, I doubt there was anything other than professional. Astaire and Rogers were both married to other people, so maybe they were good friends, if there is such a thing between men and women. Oh, and don't believe this, Ginger apparently broke down and cried with the pressure he imposed, as a perfectionist, about dance routines.
I remember reading somewhere, that he had dated her years before and when they were looking for somebody he suggested her. This was in a biog about his life. But, he was a perfectionist who gave her hell getting each move more than 100 percent right. He drove her in one film, into the night, rehearsing one number until the dance floor was covered in blood from her feet, and the shoes she was wearing. She soldiered on in agony and you might imagine he'd notice her pain but he seemingly didn't. Or just wanted the perfect take.
Hold everything: Torville and Dean? Dean was gay, and while in Australia he reputedly had an affair with 'Molly" Meldrum. So, the interest was professional, not intimate. Also, I think Jan was married to somebody else.
PS: Yes, Phyllis used to be there when they filmed various films, I believe. However, not necessarily to keep tabs on Fred. More possible was that he was simply embarrassed in front of her when he had to dance closely. Seems they were very happy and when you are, you trust. Yes, in that biog I read they mentioned that. But they dismissed stories about any other relationship but professional. He was very disciplined.
The both had amazing talent and the way they danced together was at another level, almost super natural, like they were both plugged into the same control panel, Poetry in motion.
They was the very best. Thank you
The best defies adequate description. Ginger was adorable!
HUGE Astaire fan, always wary when people want to suggest they hated each other, simply because they didn't hang out together. Often overlooked is how busy Ginger was DURING these Astaire films. Her noted acting work was not done just before/after the Astaire films, but throughout them. Fred worked on each Rogers film, one at a time. Ginger had other films going all the time. IMDB lists 20 films Ginger did from her first RKO Astaire film to the last one a few years later. The routine was Astaire co-hort Hermes Pan would create and rehearse the Ginger parts with Fred, then Ginger would come in at he end and be quickly taught the steps. She'd film her scenes, then run off to another picture. Not much time to hang out and laugh. Both had huge respect for each other though as hard workers, something each valued in a co-worker, and not always common. I think their love for each other grew in later years when they could look back and realize how wonderfully what they created turned out. Two different people who worked together, handled disagreements in a professional way, and created timeless magic.
The key to the relationship between the two was mutual respect.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful bio
Fred explicitly states in his autobiography that his wife, Phyllis, didn't restrict Fred from kissing Ginger in his films. Fred thought kissing to show romance was a cheap gimmick and he didn't want to stoop to that level. He preferred to showcase falling in love and being in love through dance, which in truth is much more effective in his films than a kiss was.
Anyway, Phyllis even came to the watch the reels of their first on-screen kiss in "Carefree", and based on how he quotes his wife and retells it, it sounded like Phyllis was amused, rather than jealous. It's true that Fred withholds opinions of many of his costars, including Ginger, who is really hardly mentioned in his book, but he was also a private person and never wanted to actually hurt others' feelings and have it reflect poorly on him. They really did respect each other, even if at times they didn't get along as people. Whatever disagreements they had about each other, it never got in the way of their art, and I agree with this video that it shows a testament to their consummate professionalism.
Thank you very much for this tribute to Fred and Ginger! She is my all-time favorite actress for many reasons. One correction: She sang “We’re in the Money” in the movie Golddiggers of 1933, not in 42nd Street.
and sang part of it in pig latin!
My favorite actress of the era, she could do it all - sing, dance, comedy, drama ... nothing was beyond her talent. She was the consummate professional.
Ginger was soooooooooooo gorgeous. A goddess.
She was absolutely gorgeous the very definition of eye candy. Although having had five marriages suggest she may have been a difficult person; not unusual for those blessed with exceptionally good looks.
I think that this video downplays Ginger's dancing ability and plays up any conflict between Fred and Ginger. God only knows what was fact or fiction back in those days, with the Hedda Hopper's of the world, making up lies about everyone. Ginger was absolutely stunning and her wardrobe was to die for.
I think Fred was wise, he didnt marry another actor, or actress, so there was no conflict. Ginger, who I love, I feel went into show business very young and was probably scared and insecure, marrying at 17 yrs. She picked men in show business mainly, one marine. Sad that she had so many unhappy endings in marriage, I quess didnt know her real worth.
I disagree that Ginger Rogers's acting talent was limited. She proved that she was a wonderful comedienne in two of my favorite films: "Roxy Hart" and "Monkey Business". She even showed that she could play a villian in the 1954 film, "Black Widow".
Ginger Rogers was a fantastic actress and wonderful dancer.
Her comedic chops also shines in "Bachelor Mother", "Stage Door" and "Vivacious Lady" to name a few more.
She was a brilliant actor
She was
a showgirl chorus dancer when she was teamed with Astaire. But as she went along she learned her craft. By the time she wanted to be a serious actress she had developed as an actress.
As far as their dance routines are concerned...Ginger had natural talent and abilities but she was not a 'trained' dancer and was a little wobbly in the beginning. It took a bit more effort on the part of Fred and Hermes Pan but they worked with her and
she worked very hard and never complained.
She was a real pro and a wonderful actress.
Even if they loathed one another, it wouldn't have matter. Both were professionals and more than once they came as close to perfection as human beings are capable.
"Cheek to Cheek" Top Hat (Yeah, that dress)
"The Way You Look Tonight" Swing Time.
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She did one of my very favorite movies! The Major and the Minor! She was just incredible! 😊
I love all their movies!
I loved them together she was absolutely beautiful 🤩 l loved him. 🙏🙏🙏💔❤️😢
She was a great dancer and loved her mother very much ,,,I thought she had wonderful talent ,,,
I think it's grand that after decades of reflection Fred decided to be gracious and admit how well they complemented each other. We viewers agree. I have seen more of Ginger's movies than any other star.
Did anyone see her in "Bachelor Mother" with David Niven? That's my favorite show with Ginger Rogers.
Great montage of photos and insightful monologue.
Astaire danced with a number of Hollywood stars besides Rogers. Charise, Hayworth, Garland and others were teamed with Astaire to great success.
Rogers had a number of popular films without dancing and without Astaire.
They were the ultimate partnership on film because they were the ultimate professionals. They didn't need to be more than cooperative.
They will be forever be considered the best dance duo
Even in her later years she was a great actor and dancer. Cinderalla for an example.
I remember seeing an interview with Ginger Rogers where she said she took umbrage at those critics who called her films with Fred, Fred Astaire musicals, not Fred and Ginger films. Then there is the saying "Ginger did everything Fred did, but backwards and in high heels". In answer to Ginger, that may partly be due to the fact that while she virtually abandoned musical films to pursue a dramatic career after her partnership with Fred, he continued to make musicals for nearly two decades more, creating an body-of-work of which his films with Ginger were a very important a part of, but still only a part of, while Ginger's dramatic films were outside the musical genre and are not part of a cohesive body-of-work. As to that other saying, it's simply not true. Yes, when dancing together she did what he did backwards, but in their movies together he did much more.
When Fred first came to RKO the studio assigned young dancer to work with him, with the unlikely name of Hermes Pan. If you look at the credits of most of Fred's musical films as well as his later TV specials Hermes Pan is listed as either dance director or later choreographer. It's documented in many places, including Fred's autobiography, how they worked together. Several months before filming started Fred and Hermes would get together at the studio and work out the dance steps. Hermes would dance the female part and they created the full dance numbers together. Then, a week or two before filming started, Ginger (or his later female co-stars) came in and Hermes would teach her the steps. While Fred was co-creator of the dances (for which he never took screen credit), Ginger had no part in the creative process. It should also be noted that in most Fred/Ginger films Fred sang about three songs, while Ginger had at best maybe one song or just a duet with Fred, in some she didn't even have a vocal solo. Even in dancing he almost always had solo dance numbers in the films, while she did so rarely.
I do not mean to disparage Ginger by pointing out that that her contribution to their films was not as great as Fred's. As a previous comment noted, she made about ten films without Fred during the period of their screen partnership, while he made only one without her in that period. Ginger was a wonderful performer, a superb dancer and fine actress and they had great onscreen chemistry that was never duplicated by any of his subsequent dance partners, even Cyd Charisse, who was arguably even a better dancer than Ginger. Arlene Croce's famous comment about Fred and Ginger may be truer. He gave her class, she gave him sex appeal. Indeed, it could be argued that as great as Fred was, he might not have achieved the iconic status he did without the underpinning of the Fred/Ginger partnership!
It is true they dated briefly in New York when they were both stage stars. Fred in his autobiography states something to the effect he was turned off by Ginger's Mama Rose-like overbearing stage mother. He was also a decade older than her, which means when they dated she was barely passed her teens. But, if in real life if they didn't have the chemistry that just fills up the screen in their films, they did respect each other and remained friends.
If you haven't yet guessed, Fred Astaire is my favorite entertainer of all-time. So don't take the gibberish in this video at face value, read the books about or by them, especially Fred and Gingers autobiographies to get a more authentic picture.
I agree with many of your points. I might add that I've read Hermes Pan stated in his autobiography that in 1939 when Ginger told RKO executives that she didn't want to do anymore musicals...thus ending their psrtnership (till.1949)...that Fred was very..very upset regarding the future trajectory of his career. As we all know...he went on to sprinkle his magic with a variety of beautiful actresses/dancers.
It is interesting to note a couple of things here. Hermes Pan would work with Astaire, dancing the female role as they choreographed together. Pan would then teach the finished choreography to Ginger, dancing the male role. Only at that point would Fred and Ginger dance together, with Pan advising. So the dynamic of the 'Fred and Ginger' couple wasn't that of equals. She definitely did not do everything that Fred did at all.
Hermes Pan is a fascinating figure in Hollywood at the time. A huge talent, and friends with many stars, he worked with Fred on 17 of his 31 films and many others in his own right.
Ginger was also fit in a way that a lot of Fred's other dancing partners were not. She was athletic. I consider that the lean athleticism Ginger had at the time has helped the continuation of the legendary partnership. David Niven mentions in his books that Ginger could have been a tennis professional.
When it comes to being pigeonholed in Hollywood, it is completely logical that Fred should have fought against being part of a professional partnership. It should be noted that Fred was hugely successful dancing with his sister Adele. However, my grandparents (who saw them on stage) considered that Adele was the better of the two dancers. Their partnership finished when Adele married Lord Charles Cavendish and retired from show business.
Ginger's politics and the relationship with her mother (who acted as her agent) might not have encouraged friendship off screen with the family man Fred.
Hermes taught Ginger the dance moves because he was a better teacher than Fred was, and Ginger was usually off doing another - or three - movies. She was super busy but when she started the movie, she was all in. Hermes was just as talented as Fred, but in different ways, and was utterly amazing. Add in Hal Borne, a genius piano player, and this quartet made history. Repeatedly and regularly! Fred and Hermes trained Ginger for 19 years, and you can see the progression of her dance skills if you watch the dances in order. P.S. I WISH we had video of Adele dancing!
@@lanecountybigfooters5716 Oh Yes - according to my grandfather who sawFred and Adele several times in London, Adele was the better dancer and the one who drew one's eye.
Love to watch them, always have.
One more thing...Hermes Pan when interviewed after Fred's death mentioned how insecure Fred was to the point of not wanting to view the previous day's filming or rushes as he referred to them...he would ask Pan to take a look and Pan would day "Fred you look great". He apparently couldn't understand Fred's insecurities in light of his fame and popularity.
Ginger said, " I did everything Fred did, only backwards and in high heels. " -- Smart woman!
She never said that, other women said that of her and she never denied it.
She didn't say that, she knew better than that, she was a good dancer, but not as good as Astaire.
My favorite female dancer was Cyd Charisse but Ginger was great with Fred and they made an iconic team. I really enjoyed Top Hat and the Gay Divorcee the most of all of their movies.
They are my favorite movies!
Love the clip, love the couple. Many thanks.
I always wonder what Fred Astaire (or Gene Kelly) would think of the great talent that Derek Hough possesses, and how they would compare his dancing technique (which is impeccable) to their own styles. I believe that if ANYONE should inherit the title that Mr. Astaire, at one-time, "owned" as "the world's greatest dancer", it should be Derek. He is absolutely AMAZING! And this is coming from someone who grew up on Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers and Gene Kelly movies and performances!
I think Fred still owns that title!
Yes, when "dancing together" she did what he did backwards and in heels, but she didn't and couldn't have done any of his tap solos.
BRILLIANT! A FAIR ASSESSMENT OF TWO TALENTS THAT IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO RIVAL IN 2O21 OR, PERHAPS EVER.
They's angels, up in heaven...
Interesting fact - Fred said his favorite dance partner was the gorgeous Rita Hayward.
Great look at Ginger Rogers life and career. Thanks Brenton 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Loved Ginger in Stage Door with Audrey Hepburn!!!
That was Katharine Hepburn, not Audrey, who would have been about 8 years old in 1937 when stage Door was filmed.
Ha my mom loves that saying “Ginger did everything Fred did, just backwards and in heels.
I watched "Follow The Fleet" last night and they were amazing.
My little boy had no filter. We were visiting Bob, the elderly bus driver who picked him and his brother and sister in rural Montana. Bob was a world war II pilot and his son had a long and distinguished naval flying career.
Among Bob' collection was a piece of moon rock given to his son for saving the Venus probe and an autographed photo of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. My son asked directly if he could have the photo after Bob dies in a few years.
The pho photography is exquisite
Ginger is great in Bachelor Mother with David Niven.......
Does anyone every read the script before it's recorded? First he attributes the famous "...backwards in heels.." quote to Ginger and then to the Governor of Texas.
As said by millions and millions, Rogers matches Astaire moves perfectly, better than perfectly, Rogers did everything Astaire did as was just said in this posting in high heals and backwards.
No she didn't! It's one of the most unfair quotes about anyone. She was honest enough to admit that if she wore a long enough dress she would fake the step. Her steps were nowhere near as crisp, neat or expertly executed as his. She never learnt how to spot when spinning and couldn't do a controlled spin. She was " effective" as Fred himself said, but not one tenth the dancer be was.
Just a feminist trope. Ginger was a great dancer but she did not have the footwork Fred had. He was the superior dancer in every way.
Ginger was a good dancer but where she excelled was as a terrific actress in dramatic as well as comedic parts... From what I've read.. later in life Fred gave much credit to her for the success of their 10 films.
Excellent
ginger was awesome
Another Ann Richards' quote, "Bartender, pour me another".
3:14 Ginger looks like she could be Nicole Kidman here
Watch LET'S FACE THE MUSIC AND DANCE.
I can almost guarantee that a lot of the "facts" dispensed in this video were made up by the guy who created it.
Astaire died before Rogers. Rogers asked his most recent wife for permission to have some of his work made available as (I think) a legacy of old Hollywood, but the widow refused. I don't recall details beyond that.
She had a ranch. She also put out ginger's milk at one time. As much as she was always blonde in many of her films, her true hair color was auburn, unless I'm wrong, and she would dye it auburn sometimes.
Contrary to belief Ginger was NOT a diabetic! If you take the trouble to read her autobiography or watch the numerous television interviews both she and her screen partners gave over the years there is absolutely NO mention of it. Furthermore she made a total of 73 movies in a film career spanning 35 years and was a superb athlete, excelling in tennis, swimming, golf, sailing etc etc., and she loved ice cream. Do you think that film studios would entertain anyone who was basically "a risk". I know of people who suffer from type 1 diabetes and when I relate this falsehood to them they laugh in disbelief.
My theory is that this is a classic "chinese whisper", evidently the root vegetable GINGER is good for the treatment of diabetes,,, enough said.
It’s sad to know she may have died for something that could have been medically managed……
Proud she’s from my hometown. ✨
Fred Astaire reminds me of Stan Laurel.
the first picture doesn't even look like Ginger Rogers. I've noticed on other videos that they have the wrong picture. if you're going to do something at least do it right!
This guy is wrong about everything. Do your own research and you'll he is wrong about Astaire.
Would she have been as big if she hadn’t played alongside Fred? Don’t think so, she might have made it but not as big and I like ginger just my opinion not that it matters much, ps I’m a leg man and man oh man does ginger have beautiful legs
Fred: .....as a 9 bob note.
Where the heck do u get ur info?!?! I believe ginger over YOU!!!!
WRONG. Ginger did not sing we're in the money in 42nd.street. she sang it as the opening of the film The Golddiggers of 1933
supposedly she was Jimmy Stewart's first "experience"
"Felt ABOUT"!
Maybe it's British English
Why the question mark?
It's the same relationship that Gary "Baba Booey" Dell'Abate and Howard Stern have.
Poor video, you spent more time ripping down Fred Astaire then you did talking about the subject of this video. Remember, Ginger danced as well as she did because of Fred.
Fred you starred with
Ginger Rita and Cyd no affairs seems hard to resist!
Female dancers never get recognition that they dance in heels.
Acting is not real life. Having great chemistry on screen doesn’t indicate love off screen.
It can, but it doesn't always. I don't think Fred and Ginger were in love with each other but they did love each other platonically.
Who is the lady at 00:37?
It's not Ginger, she had gorgeous blue eyes.
She sang We're in the Money in Goldiggers of 1933, not Forty Second Street.
lots of bad info in this one.
What a Dame!
Wow! What a lot of subscribe pop-ups!
Yah, way too many, so annoying.
She did not say that!!!
The two were just professional comrades at best. Astaire was married (a couple of times) before they ever met and they were both married before they made a picture together. Fred Astaire said he loved to DANCE with Ginger Rogers, but the studios hated them to dance together because she was taller in flat shoes than he was in lifts. All their fans saw Rogers was NEARLY as graceful as Astaire, and probably his most graceful dancing partner. I personally would have always liked to see Mitsi Gaynor paired with Fred Astaire, but he was really too old by the mid '50's to co-star with her in full-blown top-drawer Hollywood musicals with the price tags they had attained. Elvis musicals were the only break-even ones.
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You are absolutely wrong regarding Fred's ... "marriages"???
I've read Fred"s autobiography....his first marriage was to Phyllis Potter (who was a divorcee who died from lung cancer in 1954). They had two children.
He remained a widower until 1981 when he married the famous jockey
Robin Smith.
Ginger was my idol
Yeah, Main Character Syndrome is hardly a new phenomena, or unfortunate byproduct of the absolute cultural blight that is Tik Tok. It's just too bad no one had the cajones back then to tell Fred to get t/f over it. They may have grown into a mutual professional respect for one another, but I think there was likely a bit of envy there that never quite resolved itself. I think Astaire was a very insecure man, hence his being absolutely consumed by attaining the unattainable: perfection. That being said, I don't get the sense that they ever truly disliked each other to the point of contention, as portrayed by some media and tabloid gossip mills of the day. 🌟💃✨🕺🌟
Dancing with Ginger made him a star ........... his career was all down to that
No. Astaire and his sister were famous and in-demand on two continents, America and Europe. He and Ginger respected each other.
Hardly. Are you crazy?
You keep repeating the same information.
Wasn’t it ginger complimenting herself by saying she did everything in high heels and backwards. All female dancers do the same. She did nothing special
What a crock. This tabloidizes Fred and Ginger's partnership. Why the hell is the Enquirer on youtube?
I am so sick of hearing Rogers did everything Astaire did, but backward and in high heels. She was not a great tap dancer, she was great at mimicking what Fred did, (she did dance on Broadway and TV later on, but never at the level as with Astaire) she did not choreograph their dance steps, Astaire and Astaire's choreographer did, those are not her tap steps you hear, Astaire dubbed both hers and his steps because taps can't be heard onset, and he got more money only because he refused another dancing partner, (danced with his sister for years) and was going to walk until they sweetened the deal...offered him more money, percent of the pictures, and every picture had to have a spot where he danced a big number alone. So, there you have it! And I still love Ginger. I'm just saying...
And if you look at the choreography, she actually doesn't move backward more often than he does. They twirl around each other far more often. (I'll give you the high heels, though.) I know what that comment is trying to say, but they picked the wrong example.
The great Hermes Pan
@@Bigbadwhitecracker Pan was the lynchpin of the partnership- the hyphen in Rolls-Royce. His coaching lifted her performance from chorine to worthy duet partner. He and Ginger were lifelong friends.
Nevertheless Ginger was so nervous of the solo spot that in ten films with Fred she did precisely one minute alone: tapping in shorts, as seen in the still at 5:22. Nor did Ginger's career on screen after 1939 feature dancing. She was not interested in hoofing for its own sake; it was acting that raised her to the status of Hollywood's highest paid lady in the mid-1940s. None made such expressive use of her face and body; you always knew exactly what she was thinking and feeling 'in the moment'.
Wow I had no idea off camera they hated each other 😲
They did not hate each other. Both denied it in separate interviews and people close to them denied it also.
@@amahra100 Well thank fuck because that is good to know.
I didn't believe it anyway honestly because I've seen all their movies together and I payed close attention too the chemistry they both shared together and honestly i seen no signs of distain for one another at all between them.
In fact they are one of my favorite all time pairings in classic cinema.
And perhaps maybe this guy needs to get his facts straight on this channel instead of claiming false things.
Is that really to much to ask?
It is a pity that they had to spend most of their lives explaining that what the studios had said was wrong.
From quotes over the years, that every time they were seen at an event chatting or dancing together or when one would drop into see the other at a studio if the other was passing or filming nearby, they had to explain why they were being so friendly and civil to one another.
I am merely speculating but I do wonder if they would have been closer if Fred hadn't married Phyllis. If you look at Fred's life during the 1920's he was always socialising. But then after he married Phyllis he didn't really go out and socialise that much. While at the studio, it is rumoured (mainly from Ginger) that it was Phyllis who insisted that they weren't allowed to have any on screen kisses and she would sit on the side with her knitting watching them like a hawk. I am not too surprised giving the timing, but it does make me wonder would they have been closer and spent more time socialising had she not been there. On the odd occasion when they did attend the same event as each other, such a New Year's Party in 1942, they spent the whole even chatting and dancing together.
Hate is a strong word.