>purr oxygen environment So, Perry Rhodan ships. No kidding, quite a few of the human ships are spherical, with engines placed in the equatorial bulge, allowing for crazy maneuverability.
Kuat Drives Foreman: "Sir, these ships have clear weak points, can't bring all their guns to bear, and are overall inefficient" Kuat: "yes, yes, yes, but do they look cool?" Foreman: "Very" Kuat: "Perfect"
"You see, if the ships we sell them get destroyed, we can sell them more to replace them!" All of the galaxy's shipwrights are clearly in conspiracy with each other to keep the money flowing.
I'm just glad we can hear the firing, engine, and explosion sounds even though these ships are in a vacuum. Star Wars would be a lot less fun if these battles were silent.
You'd just be sitting there, looking at the destruction with a blank expression. Ship's break and blow apart in front of you, thousands die with each new shot and yet, it's silent. No loud fiery explosions, no whiss of lazers past your ship, no...nothing. It feels empty, it really makes you think about what you're fighting for and with whom. Next week, both sides introduce headsets which play action music whenever you're in a battle.
Because it's a whole different universe this could actually be explained: for example, because the force is clearly so omnipresent and powerful it could 'dislike' the killing of people (maybe because they're the source of the force) and make such acts more difficult and mildly deflect blaster bolts over time making it take more shots, better aim, or a direct override of the force itself to be able to hit someone.
Obi Wan explains it in Star Wars when he gives Luke Vader's Lightsaber. "Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age." Blasters are just highly inaccurate.
You could have a space Pringles tube of death. Radial cannons, maybe a big one on the front, an engine on the back, and a bunch of cameras on the hull to see 360^3°
Ex Umbra Every battle ship has ray shields and particle shields. How the shields are portrayed changes based on the VFX technology of the era. In the Original trilogy, shields were skin tight, so shooting them looked like shooting the hull of the ship. That was all because VFX wasn’t advanced enough to give us the bubble shields we see in The Last Jedi and other Star Wars Media
The crew size listed for these ships is also a head-scratcher. Instead of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of crew members it would make more sense to use automation and/or droids to operate and maintain the ships with a relatively small living crew.
When I was in a theoretical physics class in University, my professor said “I’ve said this for years... none of the ships make any sense, their shape doesn’t matter in space!” I raised my hand and simply said “well... they do have to return and leave environments with atmospheres because of planetary travel” and he was gobsmacked. He had literally never thought of an X wing having wings because it flys on planets.
But how often do you see an airplane with an X-wing design? The weight is almost entirely in front of the wing, and the double-wing design seems to serve no purpose with respect flight and, together with the weapons for some reason mounted way out at the tips (where they're more vulnerable), would add extra weight to the wings. And how often do you see Star Wars ships flying around in an atmosphere without the aid of wings at all? I'm with Eckharts. The only redeeming feature of Star Wars ships is that they look cool. There's just no point in trying to defend their practicality.
The X-Wing fighter doesn’t have wings with an airfoil shape, so those wings won’t actually generate lift in atmosphere. It will be more aerodynamic than a Tie Fighter, but those wings don’t make them fly. Ships in Star Wars rely on repulsorlift technology to counter gravity.
@@tracytron7162 It's a flat plate foil. If the ship flies level, it generates no lift, only drag. A flat plate foil needs angle of attack to create lift. They would have fly nose up all the time to generate anything.
5:40 we see general grivous break the glass very easily, but he couldnt have done the same to the ships hull: Breaks ships hull with foot claws in that moment
My biggest issue always was the lack of smaller guns to defend against fighters and bombers. When episode 8 began with yet another instance of "fighter does whatever it wants to a capital ship because it doesn't have any decent defenses", my facepalm could be heard through the entire cinema. Since the later stages of WW2, ships are filled to the brim with AA guns and later surface to air missiles. The traditional turreted layout would also still make sense in SW. They could provide a nearly 360° coverage horizontally, and at least 180° vertically, i.e. covering a half-sphere. That's a hell of a lot better than any of the usual placements shown in SW.
the empire and first order didnt focus on fighter and anti fighter weapons on their capital ships, they thought them to be useless. think of IJN yamato, it had terrible anti air because the ship was built with the idea that bigger guns win fights. a star destroyer would just launch its own screening fighters against enemy fighters, while using its main guns to destroy any larger ships and force a retreat
T33K3SS3LCH3N As someone else said the empire and first order considered small craft like the x wing to not be able to do tons of damage. But in the last Jedi the x wing was piloted by someone who was a very capable pilot. They were only taking out the turrets for the bombers. That is why once he started taking out the turrets they released their tie fighters. The turrets on the bombers though were well designed allowing the operator to defend in many angles that other turrets in that position that would not allow for that.
Don´t you know that story about the USS Donald Cook? I have it on very good authority that about 50% of the crew and 100% of the officers refused to board that thing again after a SU-24 flew over it...I was told ECM basically semi-wrecked that ship midseas...as in "...like someone pulled the plug and put it back in sometime later on their free will, we could do nothing, absolutely nothing..."
That's probably because episode 8 is the shittiest Star Wars Movie of them all. With so many mistakes that it would take an hour to list them all. Although Poe was already portrayed in Ep 7 to be too much of a great pilot. Remember that assault on Maz' bar when the Resistence showed up and you had this beautiful shot of a X-wing blowing up several Tie-Fighters with ease in a matter of seconds. That's the theme of the Disney Triology. It just matters that it looks stunning, nevermind if it makes sense. Style over substance. In Star Wars lore you become a Flying Ace when you have 5 kills, and that's an achievement. Poe got more kills than that in less than 30 seconds of a single fight. That's too overpowered. Not even Luke, Anakin or Wedge did anything like that in their flying days. So Poe shouldn't either.
What kind of authority? Sailors from the Cook say that story is bull. One, USN destroyers are EMP hardened, ECM wouldn't do anything to it. And two, disabling a USN ship is an act of war, and the Russians know this.
Transparent steel could be there just to add more feeling of space, so that the bridges don't feel claustrophobic to the soldiers. The same reason metros have windows, there's no landscape to see but they make them less claustrophobic. Of course hologram "windows" could maybe have the same effect.
Given the likelihood of actually being able to see anything with the naked eye, bridges don't actually need to even be on the outside of the ship, instead they can be buried in main body.
The sensor spire of the providence class actually makes some sense, seeing as you would like your sensors to be as far as possible from the interferences of the ship's systems. A real world example can be found in the Voyager probes, which had a sensor boom. Also many other such occurrences exest
Finally, one with some good sense. I enjoyed your video. One correction thought. SW ships don't fight like WW2 ships. WW2 warships had a small number of very high caliber guns that were mounted on turrets and could finish off other ships in a few salvos. SW ships fight more like 18th-19th century sail ships. Those ships had a big number of guns in their sides and were fighting in close proximity broadsides.
Some WW2 warships could take literally hundreds of shells without sinking though. Although you are right about star wars ships generally having large numbers of smaller guns. I would say the combat is still much more similar to WW2 ships. They sometimes fight very close, sometimes at longer ranges, but rarely do they go broadside to eachother. The ships have command bridges and heavy armor. They have fighter support and point defense batteries.
@@lenkagamine4145 yes some WW2 ships could take hundreds of hits (Bismarck obviously), but it's ability to fight back ie it's guns, rangefinders, and gun directors were all taken out by less than 15 large caliber hits
But why would the designers place laser guns on just the top and side? Why no guns on the bottom? Also, there is no reason why starships should fight like 18th-century sail ships. The targeting systems of starship have to be more accurate than sailing ships.
Aesthetics and effectiveness, two things that you have to consider while designing ships. I have been writing a science fiction saga and, at the time of designing the ships I just cared about aesthetics, and, when analyzing the logic of mi designs, I noticed there was no sense in them, so I had to mix both, making a ship very effective in combat and being, "beautiful" at the same time, but, it was hard
Battle tech/mech warrior has a tactic called rolling, when you pound a broadside and take too much damage on one side you just roll your ship alongside its spine to bring new weapons to bear. They also use something called a holotank in that it’s creates a holographic image of the battlefield around the command deck functioning more like a video game showing the location and orientation of everything on sensors .
Basically what you say is that the Covenant has the best designed ships: - Bridge located at the center of the ship and is most protected - has several hangar bays compartmentalized from each other either by walls or by shields - plasma cannons and turrets on al sides - highly advanced auto-aim gun systems operated by AI - massive shield that can withstand a lot of brute punishment. #CovenantFTW
@@HwangInhoBooNam Actually, they do. Cortana ran into one in the First Strike book while she and the Chief were making their way back to Earth aboard a captured Covenant ship.
@@evanboll4651 but that cannot be considered as an AI. Sounds more like a software programming system which is made only to operating the starship's weapon automatically so they don't need crew for It and not an advanced neural machine with self-awareness
Says Grievous couldn't break the window if it was like the hull because Grievous couldn't damage the hull; shows clip that ends with Grievous incidentally compromising the external armor of the ship..... Um.....ok.
Star Wars needs more 2003 og badass Grevious. Seeing the b2 in Mandolorian flashback scenes made me want a modern live action Clone Wars series so badly.
@@lordsheogorath3377 A live action Clone Wars styled series will be the holy Grail. I will sell my two kidneys to watch that... Currently enjoying the Mandalorian and hoping they don't annoy anybody and get cancelled...
1. The Bridge: Modern warships dating back to the 1930’s have a CIC (Combat Information Center) buried deep in the hull of the ship to ensure continued operations even when the wheel house is damaged. A CIC in SW would make a lot of sense. 2. Weapons: Iowa-class battleships had a mix of short range and AAA to protect it against “snub fighters”. SD’s with no AAA is just stupid. 3. Gunners/command and control: Modern warships can put their weapons on “god mode” and allow the ship’s computer full control to prioritize and engage targets with zero human interaction. When we shot down an airliner in the 90’s it was because a human screwed up. Had the computer been in control it wouldn’t have happened.
I may be thinking of a different plane that was shot down, but the Iranian airliner (I think was) shot by an American ship wasn't broadcasting any FoF signal. The FoF signal basically tells anyone with the right codes "don't shoot, I'm friendly," so not broadcasting it pretty much announces "I'm here to attack" A computer would've shot it down even sooner than a human.
Matthew Swiderski the crew misidentified the airliner as an Iranian fighter which was really a US Navy fighter on landing approach. Had the crew left the decision to the computer the shoot down wouldn’t have happened.
@@madrabbit9007 Ap, I was turned around on this one. My bad. The radar system swapped the tags for Flight 655 and an actual fighter. USS Vincennes tried to contact the plane ten times, but received no response. Since the unresponsive aircraft's label was swapped with a descending fighter, the captain thought it was starting an attack run and had it shot.
Matthew Swiderski When I was a midshipman this was a case study. The computer didn’t get the two aircraft confused, it was the human operator. They had been in a gun fight with Iranian gun boats earlier in the day and the crew were still keyed up. The operator THOUGHT he was shooting at an Iranian F-14 (we gave them some before the radicals took over in the 79’s) approaching one of our carriers. Had he shot that down it would have been a friendly fire incident. Moral of the story: trust your instruments.
You can still look cool as anything, and still make sense. Not only can making sense look cool, but it can also wind up being far more effective. For example: The Imperial Star Destroyer. First, get rid of the bridge tower entirely. Increase the angle between the dorsal and ventral surfaces. Include an aft section of the ship where the hull slopes back down, sort of like a diamond shape. This gives you more internal volume, and more places to put weapons. Now that you've got 12 vertexes, move all your weapons to those vertexes, so that they can shoot in a much wider field of fire. With this weapons lay out, your fore guns can shoot everywhere but directly aft and are still useful if you need broadside. your side guns can still shoot fore and aft, and your aft guns can shoot everywhere but forward. Your bridge is inside the hull where it's protected by a whole lot of armor. Having more internal volume also means that you can dedicate more space to hangars and provide for more hangar openings. not only can you have more openings, but you can also place those openings so that your fighters are protected by your hull on launch and recover ops when your ship is engaging the enemy on your primary attack vector (for the Empire, that would be a frontal assault), so your bays go in the aft section and exit port and starboard. This also means that you can technically perform launch and recovery operations simultaneously from different bays. You absolutely do NOT NEED WINDOWS like other people are saying. Even a few years ago, we had TVs that have a high enough resolution that you can't tell it apart from real life from more than a foot away. place a few extra cameras on the hull, and you get a live feed to wherever you are, even when you're deep within the hull. Or just tie the screens into your sensor array, since that's already gathering that information anyway...
+Torrey Jones, I actually think windows look cool, however why not have the bridge in the center of the ship you know where it more or less cannot be targeted, can even leave the tower there as sort of a VIP section where they can use the windows to have a great view of space, or in the case of a SSD have a great view of the rest of the ship. **edit in terms of not making sense a lot of fighters don't make any sense in Star Wars why would you have a fighter that depends on the pilot looking out a window at his target with two big squares on each side of the cockpit blocking his view etc...
@@utubesignupblows first off, the dreadnought would have some gravity, (I don't know if it'd be enough to pull down the bombs,) and second off, there is artificial gravity on the ship, meaning the bombs would already have momentum when they are released, easily enough to carry them through the vacuum of space as there is no air resistance in space, and third, JJ didn't even do TLJ! that was RJ!
how can you call Rian a dummy when he's made films widely accepted as good like Knives Out? He didn't have much to work with after FA, not that a good sequel to it couldn't be made, just swapping directors is hard. Also, the artificial gravity of the ship can be seen holding down Rose's sister, so why exactly couldn't it have pulled down the bombs before they left the ships artificial gravity?
Funny, I just finished watching Battlestar Galactica today, where many of the points you criticize are actually followed (like not having the bridge exposed, multiple hangars and no windows). It made me think about how cool it is that the writers of BSG actually used military thoughts in their show. Of course, Star Wars is still coolest.
I am playing through the series for the first time and I am in the last game and while watching the vídeo I was thinking of exactly the same thing lol, this comment should have more likes
It's really, really not and you absolutely should listen to the people telling you not to play it. It's trash, and if you play it coming right off the first 3, it's even worse trash.
Cd, I agree, I havn't played it personally but from what I have seen about Andromeda it is not polished, it has good mechanics but they werent implamented well. I would say it's kinda like the squad mechanic in halo's 5 campaign, a good idea which is implamented very poorly. It's unfortunate because I am really excited about mass effect, I usually don't play RPG's but it's an awesome series however it's limited to 4 games and the fourth isn't good... I am currently playing through the third one.
Another possibility is that droids are vulnerable to two things: malicious code and EMP, like from an ion Cannon. A human Gunner is more adavanced for a cheaper price than a comparable droid.
And that's not even taking into account everything you have to do to keep a living being in space for an undetermined amount of time, making the ship overall less effecient by cubic meter. Also droids aren't going to be missed (most of the time, especially thoses that do factory-frontline-boom) when regular people will cost direct economy/manpower and generate unrest with time, clones are good, but way too costly to serve here.
I just wanna say I love the discussion that’s being made about this and how serious people are and how people are picturing genuine thought to this. It just kinda warms my heart
Honestly Borg cube and sphere are the best designs. No clear weak spots, weapons facing every direction and multiple backup systems. Designed for pure efficiency and not to look cool (even though they do!) And if it was designed as a capital ship for organics, the bridge would be in the very middle, so it's hardest to destroy.
abc64pan nope. Stormtroppers are more likely to be knocked out by blastershots than being actually killed. The plastoid armor was actually pretty good at holding of smaller blater fire, but if the rebels would have set their blasters on the highest level, it would go through the armor. But this would not happen that often, as the engerycelld used for reloading blasters were rare and would deplete at a much higher level than usual
When it comes to ship bridges, there is absolutely no reason for them to be anywhere near the exterior of the ship. The proper place for a bridge is as deep in the hull as you can physically get it. HALO does this quite well.
Halo is in no way a reference for competent spacecraft design. Not even remotely. They literally get all the basics wrong, like pretty much all mainstream pseudoscience-fiction and techno-fantasy since Star Trek and Star Wars.
Khaden Allast was gonna say Keyes (Jacob) argued with the admiral that gave him the PILLAR of AUTUMN because he didn’t want the giant target that was the ships bridge. The halcyon class cruiser is known to be extraordinarily durable because of its honeycomb design but it’s famous also for having a, while beautiful to look through, glaringly obvious issue in the open bridge.
Vladimir Pootis meh, there’s different “hardness” of sci-fi. on one end, the “soft” end, we have Star Wars, Star Trek, and most popular sci-fi nowadays, and on the other end we have things like the works of Asimov, Arthur C. Clark, Stephen Baxter, etc.
EckhartsLadder: Now kiddies just sit right there, prepare too have your brains filled with knowledge about gravity, light, and the mechanics of 360 degree combat! As I tell you why Star Wars spaceships MAKE NO GOD DAMN SENSE!
Joe Schmo congratulations, you just figured out someone named Astoflo The sucker is an Austin impersonator, you have officially become that one sarcastic guy on every ride for the haunted mansion in Disney. *slow claps*
Jsand Sandi WWII (and even modern) navy ships have a bridge for controlling the ship, and a CIC room buried deep in the ship for fighting the ship - bridge: helm, CIC: missiles/radar, no reason why star destroyers couldn’t be the same - and hell Star Trek suffers the same design flaw too
I would put the deflector shield generators as far under the armor as possible, and try to make what is above the armor flush with the surface. Also backup shield generators.
BUMMFISH, not really, late 19th and early 20th century warships of the line had three controlling points. A Bridge, unprotected, looking at IJN Miksasa, a pre-dreadnaught battleship, the bridge only had a canvas covering for a roof (well actually they are multiple bridges, all in the same area such as the flying bridges). The ship was not intended to be commanded in battle on the bridge (Well tell that to Togo Heihachairo, who did command from the unprotected, uncovered bridge in the Battle of Tsushima and never got killed for it). Below the bridge or more inward is the conning tower. The Conning Tower is an armored portion, IJN Yamato had 56cm of raw steel in this area for horizontal protection, and the US Iowa class has over 40cm of steel. This is where you are to actually fight the battle, there is a small tube that connects the conning tower to the citadel, as most of a WWII era ship is unarmored (see All-or-Nothing Armor scheme) contacting things like the engine telegraph. The third place is the aft steering compartment located right above the steering gears. The third place is really only used in emergencies. The CIC was first installed into US Carriers post 1942 and only to control vectoring fighters to intercept courses based on radar data. There was no engine telegraph, or any steering functionality, no ability to control gun fire, although later iterations of the CIC would get better at this. Modern day CICs control data links, radar, missiles, guns, communications, security, and damage control. But a view with your own eyes of the battle is still way more valuable than what a camera or radar image can provide. This is why Togo Heihachario commanded the IJN Combined Fleet from the unprotected bridge of the Mikasa, you actually find out that you either armor things up and cannot see in the real world, or you drop some armor for more visibility... And that's not even talking about WWI/WWII Fire control, WWI/WWII fire control directions were unarmored structural steel mounted at the highest points on a ship. As these instruments used delicate electronics (USN/RN) or precious optics (IJN). Even the vibrations of a hit somewhere else can throw off the gun fire control. Just like what happened to the USS South Dakota in the Battle of Guadalcanal, A single shell (probably from a 12,7cm/40 Type 89 or 15,2cm/50 41st Year Type on Kirishima, a pop gun with no business in a Battleship dual) knocked out electricity to the entire gun control system located atop the bridge prevent US gunners from firing back, if the USS Washington hadn't been there, a 30-year old "Fast Battleship" (battlecruiser) and her escorts would've knocked out a modern US Battleship. These things were large because in order to see far, you need either a very large radar set, or very large and good optical equipment.
That would take too much energy. They already spent too much energy on those unneccessary Holograms and the oversized turrets that shoot "laser blasts"......
I love how some starships are designed with aerodynamic shapes or wings especially on ships that are literally too large to land on planet. The Borg have the right of it. Having ships built that look like enormous six sided die.
*Star destroyer design process:* Designer: make a giant dorito Worker: ok then Designer: put the turrets in the upper part of the ship Worker: wouldn't it be effective to put them in the lower parts of the ship too? Designer: Nah no one goes there anyways Worker: True Designer: Now put the bridge in the most exposed place you can find Worker: But why- Designer: WE NEED WINDOWS Worker: Do you know cameras and holograms exist, right? Designer: W I N D O W S
In response to your last point, the (EU) reason why there weren't droid gunners was because of a constant phobia of droids in the galaxy, something exacerbated by the Clone Wars, so many didn't want droids in a military capacity out of fear of a droid uprising, which very nearly did happen with IG-88.
Frederick von Kroner great point! The same reasoning applied in Frank Herbert's Dune. Computers were banned because of a previous uprising, hence the need for those Navigators to map space travel
When I was a kid I read mock up designs for proposed crafts that would run on antimatter or fusion or even fission power. Almost ALL of the designs involved long causways with the crew quarters located as far from the engine as physically possible with shielding in between to avoid exposure to deadly gamma rays and radiation. The ships all ended up looking like something very similar to star wars ships with the crew quarters needing to be placed on top of things to put as much shielding as possible between the crew and the engine or reactor it was using to power the ship. So in short. It makes total sense. It wouldn't make sense if it was designed some other way.
Ironically, Star Wars ships engage at much closer distances than naval battleships and don't even follow the philosophy of extremely caliber guns and armor that can resist anything but said guns. Instead, they much more closely resemble age-of-sail ships of the line with a large number of uniformly sized guns that are used en-mass at point blank range.
What about the giant, cavernous spaces that all ships and space stations in Star Wars seem to have? I know that they're perfect for tossing evil emperors down to their deaths, but the rest of the time, they are just wasted space.
steelersguy74 I’m by no means an aficionado but as technology develops wouldn’t it be easier to build subsequent death stars. The first computer took forever but now we crank them out with relative ease
Not only that, open spaces that are required to have atmosphere or else they suffer a catastrophic hull breach and kill everyone. The ESD has this giant, open a and unprotected hangar on the most defenseless part of the ship where a few torpedoes would split the ship in half
Instead of having a B-1 battle droid operating a gunner station in the same way that a humanoid would, they should have just installed a droid brain directly into the tactical sensors and fire control of the weapon implacement. They would only have to build a droid brain instead of building a whole droid. The money they saved on not building the droid body could be spent on building a better droid brain. That always bugged me about the Trade Federation and by extension the Confederacy of Independent Systems. They could build a capital ship capable of controlling an entire droid army from orbit, but they couldn't figure out how to automate their weapon systems? One more benefit to a ship with minimal complement of Organics on board is that they would only have to have life support in the sections occupied by organic crew and command. The rest of the ship could be kept in a state of hard vacuum. It would be a foolproof fire suppression method and it would make boarding operations much more difficult.
Mike Vasquez They did have a ship like that but evidently the technology to completely automate and control a ship isn't quite there in the Star Wars universe. That destroyer had issues focusing down a single ship and ignoring others and colliding with friendly ships to get a firing Arc on enemies. In theory it was a good idea but in practice it didn't work..... yet *looks to episode 9*
i mean, i guess it was just down to the economics of it. they had billions of b1 droids already being mass produced, so starting up a new production line and refitting all the ships with droid brains would be an expensive venture
Yu-Kai Ni I see where you're coming from, but they wouldn't have to develop a whole new production model of droid. All they would have to do is manufacturer the standard droid brain and only program it with the necessary tactical data to effectively operate a gun turret(turbo laser, ion cannon, laser cannon, etc.) All it would have to know how to do is operate a specified weapon system. It would have no need for ambulation, articulation, or ground tactics. That would free up a lot of processing power to focus on one specific function. If anything, it would save them money because they wouldn't lose as many ships and by extension they would lose far fewer resources in fact, all of the energy that they're not using to maintain life support, climate control, and gravity could be rerouted to weapons, engines, and shields.
True enough. Also though, the CIS really mismanaged a lot of things. Also worth mentioning, the Recusant-class light destroyer was primarily droid-operated. Not sure if that means droid brains or actual droids, though.
Patrick Metzen I appreciate that, but they wouldn't be automating the whole ship. They would just have the droid brains operating their turrets individually much like they did with droid starfighters. There would still be organic officers serving in a command capacity just like they were already doing. The turret droids wouldn't have any extraneous subroutines diminishing their tactical effectiveness. I absolutely agree that Star Wars automation potential is nowhere near what it should be, but the parameters I laid out would require only a very rudimentary level of automation.
The most annoying thing to me, being an avid Elite Dangerous player, is that all of the ships fly like planes and take ZERO advantage of being in space. Why would you ever fly like a plane when in space you can fly backwards just as fast while still shooting at what’s in front of you? You don’t need weapons on your ventral side if you maneuver properly at least for smaller ships. Super star destroyers have too much mass to maneuver quickly in different directions so those I would expect to have guns everywhere.
Virtually _EVERYTHING_ in Star Wars makes no sense. The aliens, the space ships, the planets, the governments, the weapons, the force, the technology, the robots (droids), and like I said, pretty much _everything._
Yup. Most fans are complaining about how hyperspace works for ships to travel now. The premise itself doesn't make sense and fans are blaming Rian Johnson for ruining hyperspace... because he was trying to fix it. Before the Last Jedi, hyperspace worked like this: a physical object in hyperspace can be affected by physical objects in real space but don't actually affect the physical objects in real space. Yup, a ship in hyperspace can be affected by physical objects in real space. HOW THE HELL can a physical object be in two dimensions at one time???!!! It's absolutely absurd! Stupid Star Wars poor man physics!
Trying to imagine a universe of Star Wars where everything was designed as practically useful as possible pretty much creates its own "knock off" universe to play around with... 🤔
that would leave us with very small ships, mostly unmanned and likely relativistic weaponry (from which there is zero defense, if you detect it you are basically dead the next fraction of a second) - the winner is....whoever shot first - and since "rebels" a.k.a. terrorists would not be able to afford those let alone be able to operate them....EMPIRE wins...flawless victory with many fatalities^^
I'd settle for "plausible" or even just "physically possible". "Practical" is too much to ask for. I mean, people think that this work of techno-fantasy counts as science-fiction, you gotta cut them some slack.
Comon! The people who made the movies aren't scientist! And is just a movie! Is ridiculous to think about if something in a MOVIE could be done in real life or not.
You know what doesn’t make sense? An order of space wizards who work together to destroy an army of robots and two evil space wizards, their main weapon being laser swords.
Mario Badia MY FUCKING POINT, MARIO, IS THAT NOTHING MAKES SENSE IN THIS GALAXY! THEY COULD MAKE MOVIES ABOUT US AND BE LIKE “LOOK AT THAT THEIR SHIPS DONT MAKE SENSE”
@@rapierlynx correction: Star Wars is a Heros Journey set in space. Joseph Campbell heavily influenced the first Star Wars following ancient archetypes from legend which is why the first Star Wars felt so mythic. we heard the story before in another way
Hmmmmm I think the Empire ships were designed with politics and propaganda in mind. Always moving forward fearlessly and all that jingoistic crap. Rebel ships were a bit different. Often, these boats were repurposed from low risk assignments where aesthetic and practical considerations were put before military and strategic ones. But yeah, Star Destroyers don’t make much sense.
There are reasons why its like that, its all have to do with Republic credits and massive profits in mind. If the vessels are sturdy and efficient, then I believe Kuat Drive Yards wont last long. Indefinite contract with Imperial Navy and Army is main objective and achieve, need to keep that contract forever! For such thing to happen, continuous building to replace lost ships is a must, and what better way than producing awkward inefficient designs ? When there are continuous demands, Kuat Drive Yards shall profits (hopefully the war will bring more demand......and Republic credits!).
You’re not taking shields into consideration. They have whatever design they have because, especially the empire, do not expect any ship being able to penetrate the shields.
and I have never seen a blast bounce off of shields yet! they just pass on through the shields just like the ships do. The exception is that Mon Cal ship on the force awakens.. that was a powerful ship!
@Magni56 THIS! you cant keep going if the internal gravity of the ship isn't moving, and like the post above yours pointed out the ship isn't actually moving space is.
I think the main handwave is that the Galactic Empire had to basically spam as many easily-built modular ships as possible to control as many systems as possible.
George Lucas's vision of Star Wars was heavily influenced by WWII footage of aircraft carrier battles and the entire style is based on that. It's WWII in outer space.
I would really like to see a Star Wars imperial class star destroyer improved according to these critiques and see what kind of a vessel eck comes up with
Space battles with energy weapons would most likely take place from such a distance that you would never actually be in visual range of the target, and therefore windows are actually completely pointless. On the other hand, having capital ships take each other on at close range with hordes of small attack fighters duking it out in swarming dogfights makes for better cinema.
It's worth noting that for battles that take place at the knife-fight ranges Star Wars favors, it would be more advantageous to use mass drivers than lasers, because it takes less power to accelerate a ferrous slug for the same amount of damage.
there is one thing in space, large distance so unguided projectiles will be prone to miss so large amout of guided missles would be better, so lasers and rockets would be bread and butter of space fights but kinetic weapons would be good for bombardmend
What if the ship loses power? They seem to do that or get the sensors fooled easily in star wars sometimes purposely and sometimes not making me think though they need less windows a few for the bridge would be good in a capital ship. A capital ship itself not only battles but also leads its fighters so a accurate view is important
I think if power goes out on a ship such that you can't even tell where the enemy ships are without looking out a window, the crew on that ship has bigger problems to worry about. It's unlikely they could actually _do_ much even if they could see, after all.
Different universe, but I hate how in the new Star Trek movies and Discovery the ships suddenly have bridge windows. The bridge was always needlessly on top as well in ST, but at least they never had windows. They use a view screen linked to the sensors that can display far more information than just the front view. And then JJ came along and decided there should be a window there...
It's also there in TOS bridge as well, for the sole purpose of having that opening shot in The Cage, which is also probably the only reason the bridge has to be on top of the ship.
Not necessary from maintenance perspective. If the bridge is modular design, placing it on top would allow much easier access than placing it deep inside the hull. (One of the reason modern warships love to put their CIC right below the bridge is this reason. They can simply cut one deck open and drop equipments from there. Since modern warship seem to build on the concept of not getting hit in the first place, vulnerability isn't much of an issue.) Of course, if your ship is expected to get hit all the time, it isn't such a good idea.
The main problem with the Empire is plot holes. I mean they were the bad guys and had to lose. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did those much vaunted Star Destroyers actually do anything? Sure They caught Princess Leia ship at the start of Episode 4 but seemingly couldn't maintain a blockade around Hoth. They did fuck all except look great in mass formation - twice! The first in ESB with the Imperial March theme and second in ROTJ when they were held back from the Battle of Endor. How many times did the Millennium Falcon evade them? Lol
With the addition of the prequels, many have noted that many locations actually appear to be doing better under Imperial rule. Plus, those attacked are rebels who oppose the Empire and threaten war anyway, so really, despite being lead by a Sith master, the Empire is generally only shown forcing their style of order over the galaxy and the rebels main motivation is simply freedom to choose their own way. Now, the Empire, or at least Vader, does allow people like Jabba to continue on, so the system isn't perfect, but, the Empire is apparently liked by its populace to some extent as Luke was considering joining in the very beginning. It seem like the Empire kept their more shady actions covert, but, then again, most real wars are fought merely over a difference in ideology, so, unlike WWII, one side doesn't have to be blatantly evil.
Engineer: Sir, these designs you specifically wanted are flawed. There are many glaring weaknesses- Commander: But does it look cool? Engineer: Well, yes, but- Commander: Then it's settled. The Force will protect any weaknesses we may have *several thousand years later* Han: THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!
When I was a kid I assumed the republic capital ships were primarily for intimidation, and the ventral side smooth and well armoured to provide better protection from small planetary defence weapons.
To me all of the Star Wars ships, in particular the Imperial Star Destroyers makes sense in an aesthetic sense. They were originally meant to look like WWII Japanese Pagoda style battleships. Hence why they had clear, tall bridges and upper works. A clear "front" and "rear" even the color... Its why the smaller ships often looked like WWII light cruisers, destroyers, and destroyer escorts. Its why X-wing fighters look like the cross between an arrow and a MIG-21 from the cold war. Its why the Y-Wing looks like a fast attack fighter-bomber like a Mosquito, or P38.. Even the B26.. I just don't know what was with the AT-AT's.. Giant robo combat cows (Battle Cattle?) and AT-ST's.. Giant robo battle kangaroos..
yeah...those AT suck...I´d expected something huge on tracks, not necessarily heavy but H U G E (Sir, we´ve parked over the rebel base and thus destroyed it) and armed to the theet... me thinks ILM just wanted to show off with these
AT-AT were cool to the bone, and everyone love them. The idea was to give Luke the 'cattle tie up' idea around the legs since they share the same vulnerability of high legs and the snowspeeder having the tow cable. It was a plot design choice and i will add, a wonderful one, making the point that even if facing with impossible forces, there was sometime a way to use 'old' and 'instinctive' knowledge to overcome it! George have always said that Star Wars is about saying that if technology is wonderful, the human mind is even more MIRACULOUS. That is the deeper meaning of STAR WARS if you didn't realized already. That is why a lot of their 'design' is about making humans look good. But of course, if you design everything logically without flaws, there is no story to tell... Luke would have been killed and never join Obi-Wan in his journey toward becoming a Jedi! And that is also why the movies of today have no soul, have no lasting interrest, and basically are empty to the soul of people watching them...they speak to your logic but not your soul...
I know I made a comment already, but oh well. (This is my attempt/ thoughts of a reason why everything is like that) -I think that in Star Wars there is a reason ship are like that. For one thing the creators of all these ships (In star wars at least) are the corporations. -For one thing they want to sell their product, so in thus the Star destroyer which was intended to look intimidating is designed as such. Meanwhile Mon Calamari ships used by the rebels were originally cruise liners or along such lines designed to be less so. Looking at Mon Cal ships after the new republic "New Class Modernization Project" their designs changed in many ways. -Meanwhile if you look at ships used by the corporations to defend their holdings. They are powerful ships that are somehow able to outgun, and overpower all their designs sold to star wars factions (I could be wrong here). Usually these ship look nothing like their sponsored products. So those are my thoughts....
There's another video related to this one, where they think Capital Ships don't actually have any combat value, because if you can ram a ship into them at lightspeed (like the last Jedi scene), they become easy targets. Fill up a crappy freighter with torpedoes, stick a robot on it, and have it collide at light speed into a star destroyer. Sorry I don't remember what the video was called.
Asturian Watchman because there are some things that aren’t believable. It’s not believable for a modern assault weapon to be used in a lord of the rings movie, just like it’s not believable for such a advanced tech galaxy that’s been so advanced for so long to still be reliant on such clumsy and inefficient ship design. It’s uncharacteristically stupid for a society with such advanced engineering.
Hey does Bane of Bacon mean you don't like it or that you're it's bane because you eat it... never mind... TIME TO SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM Oh Canada...
And worst of all, they are incredibly inaccurate. They can't hit the broadside of a ship. For being so advanced, they have a serious lack of automated targeting systems. With their weapons and our targeting systems, fighters would be useless.
My main issue is the severe lack of point defence. There is no reason why you can't plop hundreds of small automated miniguns all over the hull of any ship. They could output a huge volume of small arms firepower and mince any Starfighter or missile no matter how skilled the pilot. The other thing is that capital ships should be engaging targets from thousands of kilometers away, not point black.
Real lasers disperse over distance. You can take a high powered that can cut through steel plate at an inch, mount it on the space station, point it at the moon, and it will be barely visible by the time it reaches the surface due to how wide of an area it is now covering. Blasters and such lose cohesion over distance and become less effective. A very common sci-fi trope with a basis in real world physics that makes weapons behave more like current modern stuff.
@@SimplifiedFinanceSiFi Perry Rhodan has spherical ships with engines located in the circular bulge around the equator, which gives them crazy maneuverability.
@Magni56 no i'd put the laser on a rotating ring. Like a tank gun but with 1 more axis. i still favor a spherical design. It obviously depends on which size we are talking though
Im pretty sure Poe didnt make a run at the devestators belly because tractor beams were commonly used in space combat to prevent such maneuvers, which usually resulted in ships caught being captured or outright destroyed.
For the transparent "glass", it can come in handy in case you, somehow, can't use the radars (This is happened to _Yamato_ when she's in Rainbow Star Cluster, and later become worse as she's attacked andlost her radars)
I can explain it all in 2 words. "Graphic Designers". How many things are developed around a graphic design some manager liked over what an engineer would have designed for functionality and durability? Let's face it, the marketing department overrides the engineering department when it comes to business decisions.
Well, the Battlestars in Battlestar Galactica (at least the new one) are sensibly designed and still look cool, so you can have both. Similarly, the Bismarck or Iowa class battleships also were sensibly designed with their function in mind and still ended up looking, at least to me, some of the most beautiful warships ever built. Still, it would be nice if some designers would at least study the basics of what makes a, in this example, warship, a warship and then figure out the design around it.
I would say it depends on the director and cast's desire to have an accurate portrayal. There are movies and shows where they have experts on hand to keep accuracy. Like Lie to Me was a show like that. But I think the money usually dictates cutting those corners and many in the industry lean too heavily on the suspension of disbelief principle of hollywood.
Since the design is not vetted by any real operational test; beyond a minimum level of audience believability; the design serves the purpose of the story. The storyline/character development relies on a sea-based naval environment. That's how those capital ships ended up being so weak relative to smaller ships because they were an adapted design of sea based ships.
Guys, guys, I don't think it's about movie visual designers! I think it's just that in-universe visual designers just got a bit too influential and now they dictate how a destroyer will look like... ;)
The engineering limitations and strategic potential is only dictated by the poetic license of the visual designers; in-universe or "movie" who are governed by the feasibility of special effects and the will of the directors and producers.
The nonsensical ship designs and ridiculously poor tactics pretty much ruins SW space battles for me. Stories where the problems and/or resolutions are created by people being unbelievably stupid are, well, unbelievable. The graphics are impressive, but that is all there is to it when any sort of suspension of disbelief is pointlessly shattered.
Captain Fordo... Apparently not Disney or the production teams they have been choosing. Maybe they should just hire Michael Bay to make the next set of SW movies.
Forget about the bridge being on top. Why would something so massive as a star destroyer not have backup bridges? Even the Starship Enterprise had the Auxilliary Control Room.
I think some of these actually make a lot of sense: 1. If you design any war vehicle, you want to minimize the area on which you can be hit while also having as much room as possible for e.g. troops, engines, amo, or in star wars: Starfighters. The flat design (especially of the super star destroyer) makes a lot of sense because you have a huge area but if you face the enemy with your broad side, you have a minimal area exposed. If you want to engage the enemy with this position, it also makes perfect sense to put your weapons there. A star destroyer is literally fucked anyways if someone gets to fire at it's top or belly because the hit area is just insanely big, therefore, you wouldn't really care about defending this part anyway. 2. A ship needs Windows! I might be wrong about it, but there are surely devices in the star wars universe that can disable electronics... If you are reliant on holograms or cameras, they could be disabled, leaving you completely blind because you can't just go on deck of the ship. I don't know if the bridge specifically needs to have windows but having the capability to physically looking out of your ship is cruzial.
if it makes any sense, every engagements would be at least several light minutes in range with both sides having massive ships. in that case you are blind anyway if your sensors are disabled.
If your electronics are disabled, windows are of no use to you either, seeing as you can't steer the ship, fire the weapons or even protect yourself with shields then. A window on the other hand - even if it is as strong as the rest of the hull - requires you to be on the surface of your ship which is just a bad idea.
NO DAMN SENSE
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EckhartsLadder rebel scums make no damn sense
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Can you do a Battle Breakdown on the Battle of Area 51 from Independence Day 1 and 2 please
I always wanted to see the wedge shaped ships join to gather like a giant pizza.
Great now I need to see that
😄
Someone maybe took a few design slices from Pizza the Hut.
They could have skipped the death star and went with the pizza of doom.
Eight star destroys combine to make one super pizza star destroyer
*Slaps bridge of Imperial Star Destroyer*
This bad boy can fit so many stupid design choices in it.
*slaps bridge of star destroyer*
*Every major system fails*
@@ethanashbrook4320 You forgot the *booms in a flashy explosion*
WE’LL TAKE IT
*Slaps bridge of star destroyer*
This bad boy ca- BOOM
@@ironpro7217 *slaps star destroyer haters*
This bad boy can fit so many true and at the same time funny rosts in it
If all the ships were at their most efficient shape for space, they'd all be circles. So a giant battle would look like a bubble bath with lasers.
>purr oxygen environment
So, Perry Rhodan ships. No kidding, quite a few of the human ships are spherical, with engines placed in the equatorial bulge, allowing for crazy maneuverability.
Its simple logic
Like Star Trek ship?
I seem to recall a pretty notable star wars vessel that was shaped like one of those
@@TheApostleofRock no way I think I also do!
Had something to do with death and stars!
Star Wars has always been world war 2 pacific theater in space.
More like SBY
Kuat Drives Foreman: "Sir, these ships have clear weak points, can't bring all their guns to bear, and are overall inefficient"
Kuat: "yes, yes, yes, but do they look cool?"
Foreman: "Very"
Kuat: "Perfect"
"You see, if the ships we sell them get destroyed, we can sell them more to replace them!" All of the galaxy's shipwrights are clearly in conspiracy with each other to keep the money flowing.
... just... brilliant...
*Also works as foreman's response to the comment*
LOL
I think you meant to say "puuurrrrfecct"
DJ from The Last Jedi was right all along.
I'm just glad we can hear the firing, engine, and explosion sounds even though these ships are in a vacuum. Star Wars would be a lot less fun if these battles were silent.
Yeah I agree with the opinion that in star wars, fun trumps real science 10000%
Oof, no science now
You'd just be sitting there, looking at the destruction with a blank expression. Ship's break and blow apart in front of you, thousands die with each new shot and yet, it's silent. No loud fiery explosions, no whiss of lazers past your ship, no...nothing. It feels empty, it really makes you think about what you're fighting for and with whom.
Next week, both sides introduce headsets which play action music whenever you're in a battle.
@@nopenope1696 They don’t need headsets when John Williams and Kevin Kiner exist
“The Geth do not use windows, they are structural weaknesses.”
And that’s why Shepard slipped on board at Geth space station and one of their dreadnoughts undetected.
They should have sung the russian national athem ^^
"The Covenant does not use windows, windows are heretical"
Down periscope, Comrade!
Geth use Apple's iOS
It makes no sense that everyone has terrible aim in Star Wars. Only the Jedi’s and Sith can hit anything.
HDG and clone troopers
Because it's a whole different universe this could actually be explained: for example, because the force is clearly so omnipresent and powerful it could 'dislike' the killing of people (maybe because they're the source of the force) and make such acts more difficult and mildly deflect blaster bolts over time making it take more shots, better aim, or a direct override of the force itself to be able to hit someone.
Non of these (only heroes could hit anything)
Obi Wan explains it in Star Wars when he gives Luke Vader's Lightsaber.
"Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age."
Blasters are just highly inaccurate.
@@Satsujinki1973 what about when kenobi kills grevious he uses a blaster with precision aim.
Logical ship design < Cool space doritos of death
luis caballero Cool space doritos of death for the win!
You could have a space Pringles tube of death. Radial cannons, maybe a big one on the front, an engine on the back, and a bunch of cameras on the hull to see 360^3°
Josh Adams Sounds like a giant space phallic symbol. Brings a whole new meaning to "'loads' of power."
Josh Adams congrats my friend, you discovered the sense of the Halo UNSC warships
Are space Doritos 3D = fighter carriers tho?
nobody in the Star Wars universe has ever played Space Engineers
Scheneighnay have you not seen rogue 1?
May clang be with you
Bruh... Yeh
WHERE ARE THESE BATTLESHIPS' ENERGY SHIELDS? DO THEY EVEN EXIST?!
*EVEN THOSE DINKY NABOO FIGHTERS HAD SHIELDS!*
Ex Umbra
Every battle ship has ray shields and particle shields.
How the shields are portrayed changes based on the VFX technology of the era.
In the Original trilogy, shields were skin tight, so shooting them looked like shooting the hull of the ship. That was all because VFX wasn’t advanced enough to give us the bubble shields we see in The Last Jedi and other Star Wars Media
It bugs me that the shields were always easily deactivated by destroying an unshielded shield generator
They have, thats why the Ion cannon was so effective
@@OFFtheCHIZANE in their defense the shield generator is smaller significantly than the warship at a size of one big at-te -_-
@Magni56 finaly someone with knowledge, thank you!
The crew size listed for these ships is also a head-scratcher. Instead of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of crew members it would make more sense to use automation and/or droids to operate and maintain the ships with a relatively small living crew.
For the other eras I have no idea but for the imperial era Palps wanted the people tied and reliant to him
SO. MUCH. TRUTH.
I'm inclined to agree.
what if its because star wars tec never get upptadeted?
I assure you, technology does improve. Just not as much. Try not to delve too much into rationalising this universe, it'll cause nought but headaches.
Grand Admiral Thrawn the cringe is real
Grand Admiral Thrawn yes Sir thank you admiral
The may not make sense
But they are SOOO awesome.
@Alvaro Hernani, as compared to what?
Danny Gelbart as compared with actual space ships
Then there are 40k imperial navy ships
The best ships of all times :)
....The like 5 space ship types we have right now? Awesome comparison!
When I was in a theoretical physics class in University, my professor said “I’ve said this for years... none of the ships make any sense, their shape doesn’t matter in space!” I raised my hand and simply said “well... they do have to return and leave environments with atmospheres because of planetary travel” and he was gobsmacked. He had literally never thought of an X wing having wings because it flys on planets.
Another perfect example of the absolute idiocy of the human race 🙄
But how often do you see an airplane with an X-wing design? The weight is almost entirely in front of the wing, and the double-wing design seems to serve no purpose with respect flight and, together with the weapons for some reason mounted way out at the tips (where they're more vulnerable), would add extra weight to the wings. And how often do you see Star Wars ships flying around in an atmosphere without the aid of wings at all? I'm with Eckharts. The only redeeming feature of Star Wars ships is that they look cool. There's just no point in trying to defend their practicality.
The X-Wing fighter doesn’t have wings with an airfoil shape, so those wings won’t actually generate lift in atmosphere. It will be more aerodynamic than a Tie Fighter, but those wings don’t make them fly. Ships in Star Wars rely on repulsorlift technology to counter gravity.
Nier Racing Group Incorrect. Yes, they won’t be any ware near as efficient, but they will generate *some* lift.
@@tracytron7162 It's a flat plate foil. If the ship flies level, it generates no lift, only drag. A flat plate foil needs angle of attack to create lift. They would have fly nose up all the time to generate anything.
5:40 we see general grivous break the glass very easily, but he couldnt have done the same to the ships hull:
Breaks ships hull with foot claws in that moment
He just slightly sinked his claws in the top layer, didn’t go through all the way.
what if that was glass and not transpara steal
My biggest issue always was the lack of smaller guns to defend against fighters and bombers. When episode 8 began with yet another instance of "fighter does whatever it wants to a capital ship because it doesn't have any decent defenses", my facepalm could be heard through the entire cinema.
Since the later stages of WW2, ships are filled to the brim with AA guns and later surface to air missiles.
The traditional turreted layout would also still make sense in SW. They could provide a nearly 360° coverage horizontally, and at least 180° vertically, i.e. covering a half-sphere. That's a hell of a lot better than any of the usual placements shown in SW.
the empire and first order didnt focus on fighter and anti fighter weapons on their capital ships, they thought them to be useless. think of IJN yamato, it had terrible anti air because the ship was built with the idea that bigger guns win fights. a star destroyer would just launch its own screening fighters against enemy fighters, while using its main guns to destroy any larger ships and force a retreat
T33K3SS3LCH3N As someone else said the empire and first order considered small craft like the x wing to not be able to do tons of damage. But in the last Jedi the x wing was piloted by someone who was a very capable pilot. They were only taking out the turrets for the bombers. That is why once he started taking out the turrets they released their tie fighters. The turrets on the bombers though were well designed allowing the operator to defend in many angles that other turrets in that position that would not allow for that.
Don´t you know that story about the USS Donald Cook? I have it on very good authority that about 50% of the crew and 100% of the officers refused to board that thing again after a SU-24 flew over it...I was told ECM basically semi-wrecked that ship midseas...as in "...like someone pulled the plug and put it back in sometime later on their free will, we could do nothing, absolutely nothing..."
That's probably because episode 8 is the shittiest Star Wars Movie of them all. With so many mistakes that it would take an hour to list them all. Although Poe was already portrayed in Ep 7 to be too much of a great pilot. Remember that assault on Maz' bar when the Resistence showed up and you had this beautiful shot of a X-wing blowing up several Tie-Fighters with ease in a matter of seconds. That's the theme of the Disney Triology. It just matters that it looks stunning, nevermind if it makes sense. Style over substance.
In Star Wars lore you become a Flying Ace when you have 5 kills, and that's an achievement. Poe got more kills than that in less than 30 seconds of a single fight. That's too overpowered. Not even Luke, Anakin or Wedge did anything like that in their flying days. So Poe shouldn't either.
What kind of authority? Sailors from the Cook say that story is bull. One, USN destroyers are EMP hardened, ECM wouldn't do anything to it. And two, disabling a USN ship is an act of war, and the Russians know this.
Transparent steel could be there just to add more feeling of space, so that the bridges don't feel claustrophobic to the soldiers.
The same reason metros have windows, there's no landscape to see but they make them less claustrophobic.
Of course hologram "windows" could maybe have the same effect.
Windows on a subway lets you see the stations it's stopping at, and lets people waiting to board to see which cars are less crowded.
you cant actually have transparent metal.. the valence electrons are the thing the photons bounce off
what the hell is transparent steel?
Given the likelihood of actually being able to see anything with the naked eye, bridges don't actually need to even be on the outside of the ship, instead they can be buried in main body.
@@andyf4292 There's so-called "transparent aluminum", though, but it's, actually, an Aluminium oxynitride.
The sensor spire of the providence class actually makes some sense, seeing as you would like your sensors to be as far as possible from the interferences of the ship's systems. A real world example can be found in the Voyager probes, which had a sensor boom. Also many other such occurrences exest
"Star Wars is not Science Fiction, it's Space Fantasy." (Harrison Ford, 1977)
Yes
Finally, one with some good sense. I enjoyed your video. One correction thought. SW ships don't fight like WW2 ships. WW2 warships had a small number of very high caliber guns that were mounted on turrets and could finish off other ships in a few salvos. SW ships fight more like 18th-19th century sail ships. Those ships had a big number of guns in their sides and were fighting in close proximity broadsides.
Funny thing is, 40k starships look like ships of the line, but fight at much longer ranges.
Some WW2 warships could take literally hundreds of shells without sinking though.
Although you are right about star wars ships generally having large numbers of smaller guns.
I would say the combat is still much more similar to WW2 ships. They sometimes fight very close, sometimes at longer ranges, but rarely do they go broadside to eachother. The ships have command bridges and heavy armor. They have fighter support and point defense batteries.
@@lenkagamine4145 yes some WW2 ships could take hundreds of hits (Bismarck obviously), but it's ability to fight back ie it's guns, rangefinders, and gun directors were all taken out by less than 15 large caliber hits
Too bad we don't see much Star Wars battles where capital ships and corvettes don't fight like they are limited to water based tactics.
But why would the designers place laser guns on just the top and side? Why no guns on the bottom? Also, there is no reason why starships should fight like 18th-century sail ships. The targeting systems of starship have to be more accurate than sailing ships.
Aesthetics and effectiveness, two things that you have to consider while designing ships.
I have been writing a science fiction saga and, at the time of designing the ships I just cared about aesthetics, and, when analyzing the logic of mi designs, I noticed there was no sense in them, so I had to mix both, making a ship very effective in combat and being, "beautiful" at the same time, but, it was hard
ZeedBlitz I'd like to see them if you could?
Old Man Logan sorry, I only have like, very bad done drawings, but, in a couple days I may have some good drawings
If you ever get the good drawings of them, please send a link.
Just a random Doge ok, I'll do it
are any of your writings/designs available yet?
Battle tech/mech warrior has a tactic called rolling, when you pound a broadside and take too much damage on one side you just roll your ship alongside its spine to bring new weapons to bear.
They also use something called a holotank in that it’s creates a holographic image of the battlefield around the command deck functioning more like a video game showing the location and orientation of everything on sensors .
In Legends ISD captains were trained to roll their ships. In canon it's shown that the species of the Unknown Regions do the same.
Basically what you say is that the Covenant has the best designed ships:
- Bridge located at the center of the ship and is most protected
- has several hangar bays compartmentalized from each other either by walls or by shields
- plasma cannons and turrets on al sides
- highly advanced auto-aim gun systems operated by AI
- massive shield that can withstand a lot of brute punishment.
#CovenantFTW
Systems are not operated by AI. The Covenant doesn't hace IAs
@@HwangInhoBooNam yes they do
@@HwangInhoBooNam Actually, they do. Cortana ran into one in the First Strike book while she and the Chief were making their way back to Earth aboard a captured Covenant ship.
@@evanboll4651 but that cannot be considered as an AI. Sounds more like a software programming system which is made only to operating the starship's weapon automatically so they don't need crew for It and not an advanced neural machine with self-awareness
You know what else doesn’t make sense?!
How you can click on a video and it says it has “no views”’!
Cause that just happened here!
cool
I applaud this guy for being bold opening himself to be attacked by SW fanatics ...
A true jedi! 😅😅😅
Says Grievous couldn't break the window if it was like the hull because Grievous couldn't damage the hull; shows clip that ends with Grievous incidentally compromising the external armor of the ship.....
Um.....ok.
this comment needs more likes
Grievous is stupid strong and will always be the exception
noticed the same thing ahah
Star Wars needs more 2003 og badass Grevious. Seeing the b2 in Mandolorian flashback scenes made me want a modern live action Clone Wars series so badly.
@@lordsheogorath3377 A live action Clone Wars styled series will be the holy Grail. I will sell my two kidneys to watch that... Currently enjoying the Mandalorian and hoping they don't annoy anybody and get cancelled...
1. The Bridge: Modern warships dating back to the 1930’s have a CIC (Combat Information Center) buried deep in the hull of the ship to ensure continued operations even when the wheel house is damaged. A CIC in SW would make a lot of sense. 2. Weapons: Iowa-class battleships had a mix of short range and AAA to protect it against “snub fighters”. SD’s with no AAA is just stupid. 3. Gunners/command and control: Modern warships can put their weapons on “god mode” and allow the ship’s computer full control to prioritize and engage targets with zero human interaction. When we shot down an airliner in the 90’s it was because a human screwed up. Had the computer been in control it wouldn’t have happened.
I may be thinking of a different plane that was shot down, but the Iranian airliner (I think was) shot by an American ship wasn't broadcasting any FoF signal. The FoF signal basically tells anyone with the right codes "don't shoot, I'm friendly," so not broadcasting it pretty much announces "I'm here to attack"
A computer would've shot it down even sooner than a human.
Matthew Swiderski the crew misidentified the airliner as an Iranian fighter which was really a US Navy fighter on landing approach. Had the crew left the decision to the computer the shoot down wouldn’t have happened.
@@madrabbit9007 Ap, I was turned around on this one. My bad.
The radar system swapped the tags for Flight 655 and an actual fighter.
USS Vincennes tried to contact the plane ten times, but received no response.
Since the unresponsive aircraft's label was swapped with a descending fighter, the captain thought it was starting an attack run and had it shot.
Matthew Swiderski When I was a midshipman this was a case study. The computer didn’t get the two aircraft confused, it was the human operator. They had been in a gun fight with Iranian gun boats earlier in the day and the crew were still keyed up. The operator THOUGHT he was shooting at an Iranian F-14 (we gave them some before the radicals took over in the 79’s) approaching one of our carriers. Had he shot that down it would have been a friendly fire incident. Moral of the story: trust your instruments.
@@madrabbit9007 The fire-control of the time wasnt computer auto
If only Eckharts was an engineer in Star Wars XD
Not to mention the Empires lack of Peripheral Vision in many of their vehicles i.e. Tie Fighter and Scout Troopers Helmets.
The TIE fighter offers five cameras covering up, down, left, right, and aft though and the (top) hatch in some models features a sort of cupola
@@MrJedi5150 Well all youd really need is a set of cameras and a display and thats that.
They may not make any sense but if they look cool that's fine with me.
That's rather odd to hear, coming from the Immortal Emperor himself.
I am the only true Immortal Emperor here, not that pathetic sorcerer called Valkorion.
You can still look cool as anything, and still make sense. Not only can making sense look cool, but it can also wind up being far more effective.
For example: The Imperial Star Destroyer. First, get rid of the bridge tower entirely. Increase the angle between the dorsal and ventral surfaces. Include an aft section of the ship where the hull slopes back down, sort of like a diamond shape. This gives you more internal volume, and more places to put weapons. Now that you've got 12 vertexes, move all your weapons to those vertexes, so that they can shoot in a much wider field of fire. With this weapons lay out, your fore guns can shoot everywhere but directly aft and are still useful if you need broadside. your side guns can still shoot fore and aft, and your aft guns can shoot everywhere but forward. Your bridge is inside the hull where it's protected by a whole lot of armor. Having more internal volume also means that you can dedicate more space to hangars and provide for more hangar openings. not only can you have more openings, but you can also place those openings so that your fighters are protected by your hull on launch and recover ops when your ship is engaging the enemy on your primary attack vector (for the Empire, that would be a frontal assault), so your bays go in the aft section and exit port and starboard. This also means that you can technically perform launch and recovery operations simultaneously from different bays.
You absolutely do NOT NEED WINDOWS like other people are saying. Even a few years ago, we had TVs that have a high enough resolution that you can't tell it apart from real life from more than a foot away. place a few extra cameras on the hull, and you get a live feed to wherever you are, even when you're deep within the hull. Or just tie the screens into your sensor array, since that's already gathering that information anyway...
+Torrey Jones, I actually think windows look cool, however why not have the bridge in the center of the ship you know where it more or less cannot be targeted, can even leave the tower there as sort of a VIP section where they can use the windows to have a great view of space, or in the case of a SSD have a great view of the rest of the ship.
**edit in terms of not making sense a lot of fighters don't make any sense in Star Wars why would you have a fighter that depends on the pilot looking out a window at his target with two big squares on each side of the cockpit blocking his view etc...
For Cadia!
"Practically there is no need for this, it's not like space has an up or down"
Yeah tell that to JJ...
What is this in reference to specifically? Just curious, I can’t remember a specific violation of this in the sequel trilogy.
@@x.p.3574 "dropping bombs" in The Last Jedi
@@utubesignupblows first off, the dreadnought would have some gravity, (I don't know if it'd be enough to pull down the bombs,) and second off, there is artificial gravity on the ship, meaning the bombs would already have momentum when they are released, easily enough to carry them through the vacuum of space as there is no air resistance in space, and third, JJ didn't even do TLJ! that was RJ!
@@x.p.3574 no and no. But yea, that was dummy Rian, but apparently JJ wrote a lot of it
how can you call Rian a dummy when he's made films widely accepted as good like Knives Out? He didn't have much to work with after FA, not that a good sequel to it couldn't be made, just swapping directors is hard. Also, the artificial gravity of the ship can be seen holding down Rose's sister, so why exactly couldn't it have pulled down the bombs before they left the ships artificial gravity?
"Why Star Wars ships make no sense." That is probably the most bluntest title I've ever seen in a Star Wars video.
I like the Eternal Empire's approach: ditch capital ships altogether and just have a giant wall of death with drone fighters.
Do they have carrier ships for the drones?
Uh. I believe the Eternal Empire did have warships.
Funny, I just finished watching Battlestar Galactica today, where many of the points you criticize are actually followed (like not having the bridge exposed, multiple hangars and no windows). It made me think about how cool it is that the writers of BSG actually used military thoughts in their show.
Of course, Star Wars is still coolest.
It just works
why just why
Justin Y. You commented the same thing on another video...
just leave me alone
Go back justin
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*Windows are structural weaknesses; geth do not use them.*
...Oops, wrong franchise
I am playing through the series for the first time and I am in the last game and while watching the vídeo I was thinking of exactly the same thing lol, this comment should have more likes
Don't listen to people whining about Andromeda, it's a great game and it's worth playing.
It's really, really not and you absolutely should listen to the people telling you not to play it. It's trash, and if you play it coming right off the first 3, it's even worse trash.
What does this have to do with the comment lol
Cd, I agree, I havn't played it personally but from what I have seen about Andromeda it is not polished, it has good mechanics but they werent implamented well. I would say it's kinda like the squad mechanic in halo's 5 campaign, a good idea which is implamented very poorly. It's unfortunate because I am really excited about mass effect, I usually don't play RPG's but it's an awesome series however it's limited to 4 games and the fourth isn't good... I am currently playing through the third one.
The last one could be answered with the fact that there was a huge bias and hatred against droids after the Clone Wars.
nah even in EU from like the old republic time, there used "manpower" instead of guided systems
rene ziesig Well nevermind.
Another possibility is that droids are vulnerable to two things: malicious code and EMP, like from an ion Cannon. A human Gunner is more adavanced for a cheaper price than a comparable droid.
Jeffrey Hueseman+ That is true.
And that's not even taking into account everything you have to do to keep a living being in space for an undetermined amount of time, making the ship overall less effecient by cubic meter.
Also droids aren't going to be missed (most of the time, especially thoses that do factory-frontline-boom) when regular people will cost direct economy/manpower and generate unrest with time, clones are good, but way too costly to serve here.
I just wanna say I love the discussion that’s being made about this and how serious people are and how people are picturing genuine thought to this. It just kinda warms my heart
You should do a video where you design your own capital ship
Honestly Borg cube and sphere are the best designs. No clear weak spots, weapons facing every direction and multiple backup systems.
Designed for pure efficiency and not to look cool (even though they do!)
And if it was designed as a capital ship for organics, the bridge would be in the very middle, so it's hardest to destroy.
It would probably be a sphere. Lots of people have done this.
Undy a cube has EIGHT weak spots! A cube would only be a good idea if you can't make curves with a metal, like the early days of titanium.
@Ninjalectual Eight weak spots or EIGHT SOLID METAL BATTERING RAMS. Think about it :P
Stormtrooper armor makes no sense. It's just as vulnerable to a blaster pulse as human flesh.
abc64pan nope. Stormtroppers are more likely to be knocked out by blastershots than being actually killed. The plastoid armor was actually pretty good at holding of smaller blater fire, but if the rebels would have set their blasters on the highest level, it would go through the armor. But this would not happen that often, as the engerycelld used for reloading blasters were rare and would deplete at a much higher level than usual
@@OnkelBrummer and yet they fall like flies in the movies.
What part of knocked out makes you think they don't fall down?
@Mika Wagner
They also fall if you look at them funny
@Mika Wagner ewoks have the strenght of a mini wookie...
I like to design Star Wars ships and stuff, so I really appreciate videos like these.
you could use the informaton of these videos and try to merge Star Wars Artstyle with usefullness :D
This is a movie about spacewizards and laserswords nothing has to make sense
Ah yes the classic "make it sound ridiculous so nothing matters" argument. Good job!
Hakurai right what’s the big deal lol 😂
Brit Gilbert the video maker even said that it was ok, and Star Wars can do whatever they want
Man Spreading what’s your point I’m agreeing with hakurai I said whats the big deal lol 😂 you point is what !!!
That is literally the definition of lazy writing. Something that ruins the story in any show/movie/book/etc.
When it comes to ship bridges, there is absolutely no reason for them to be anywhere near the exterior of the ship.
The proper place for a bridge is as deep in the hull as you can physically get it. HALO does this quite well.
That’s only the covanent ships, UNSC ships all have external bridges.
Halo is in no way a reference for competent spacecraft design. Not even remotely. They literally get all the basics wrong, like pretty much all mainstream pseudoscience-fiction and techno-fantasy since Star Trek and Star Wars.
that's why I got into Star Wars, because it's like Halo
Khaden Allast was gonna say Keyes (Jacob) argued with the admiral that gave him the PILLAR of AUTUMN because he didn’t want the giant target that was the ships bridge. The halcyon class cruiser is known to be extraordinarily durable because of its honeycomb design but it’s famous also for having a, while beautiful to look through, glaringly obvious issue in the open bridge.
@@khadenallast4495 they do, but at least they are not in huge towers like the star destroyera that are practically screaming shoot me
next vid: why 99% of star wars makes no sense
FireKTN Yep 😂😂😂😂
I take it that 1% is from pre episode 7… oh Rogue One, right.
FireKTN Star Wars isn’t supposed to make sense. It’s a sci fi universe lol
Technically science fantasy. Fantasy is fun and doesn’t need to make sense. Sci-fi is a bit more hardcore, like Asimov
Vladimir Pootis meh, there’s different “hardness” of sci-fi. on one end, the “soft” end, we have Star Wars, Star Trek, and most popular sci-fi nowadays, and on the other end we have things like the works of Asimov, Arthur C. Clark, Stephen Baxter, etc.
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As I tell you why Star Wars spaceships
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Imagine if star destroyers operated in ring formations
Star destroyers would be a pretty good design if it had a secondary bridge in the superstructure.
Jsand Sandi WWII (and even modern) navy ships have a bridge for controlling the ship, and a CIC room buried deep in the ship for fighting the ship - bridge: helm, CIC: missiles/radar, no reason why star destroyers couldn’t be the same - and hell Star Trek suffers the same design flaw too
And Star Trek includes the backup Battle Bridge (which they almost never use, natch)
I would put the deflector shield generators as far under the armor as possible, and try to make what is above the armor flush with the surface. Also backup shield generators.
Also I consider the Imperial 1 the superior of the imperial class destroyers
BUMMFISH, not really, late 19th and early 20th century warships of the line had three controlling points. A Bridge, unprotected, looking at IJN Miksasa, a pre-dreadnaught battleship, the bridge only had a canvas covering for a roof (well actually they are multiple bridges, all in the same area such as the flying bridges). The ship was not intended to be commanded in battle on the bridge (Well tell that to Togo Heihachairo, who did command from the unprotected, uncovered bridge in the Battle of Tsushima and never got killed for it). Below the bridge or more inward is the conning tower. The Conning Tower is an armored portion, IJN Yamato had 56cm of raw steel in this area for horizontal protection, and the US Iowa class has over 40cm of steel. This is where you are to actually fight the battle, there is a small tube that connects the conning tower to the citadel, as most of a WWII era ship is unarmored (see All-or-Nothing Armor scheme) contacting things like the engine telegraph. The third place is the aft steering compartment located right above the steering gears. The third place is really only used in emergencies.
The CIC was first installed into US Carriers post 1942 and only to control vectoring fighters to intercept courses based on radar data. There was no engine telegraph, or any steering functionality, no ability to control gun fire, although later iterations of the CIC would get better at this. Modern day CICs control data links, radar, missiles, guns, communications, security, and damage control. But a view with your own eyes of the battle is still way more valuable than what a camera or radar image can provide.
This is why Togo Heihachario commanded the IJN Combined Fleet from the unprotected bridge of the Mikasa, you actually find out that you either armor things up and cannot see in the real world, or you drop some armor for more visibility...
And that's not even talking about WWI/WWII Fire control, WWI/WWII fire control directions were unarmored structural steel mounted at the highest points on a ship. As these instruments used delicate electronics (USN/RN) or precious optics (IJN). Even the vibrations of a hit somewhere else can throw off the gun fire control. Just like what happened to the USS South Dakota in the Battle of Guadalcanal, A single shell (probably from a 12,7cm/40 Type 89 or 15,2cm/50 41st Year Type on Kirishima, a pop gun with no business in a Battleship dual) knocked out electricity to the entire gun control system located atop the bridge prevent US gunners from firing back, if the USS Washington hadn't been there, a 30-year old "Fast Battleship" (battlecruiser) and her escorts would've knocked out a modern US Battleship. These things were large because in order to see far, you need either a very large radar set, or very large and good optical equipment.
I always have a smile on my face when the notification for Ecks videos come in
Who are you, Thanos? "This puts a smile on my face."
Digging the C&C generals icon
thenamedoesnotmatter thanks its one of my favorite games
Instead of windows, having screens connected to cameras would make the most sense in my opinion
What if It get EMP'ed
SM Davis
An EMP like weapon would screw up the whole ship not just the cameras so it doesn't really matter.
They can be easily knocked out, Plus you need still need the Bridge exposed to see outside.
Like the screen of the Death Star?
That would take too much energy. They already spent too much energy on those unneccessary Holograms and the oversized turrets that shoot "laser blasts"......
I love how some starships are designed with aerodynamic shapes or wings especially on ships that are literally too large to land on planet. The Borg have the right of it. Having ships built that look like enormous six sided die.
May the force be with "You" Eck
*Star destroyer design process:*
Designer: make a giant dorito
Worker: ok then
Designer: put the turrets in the upper part of the ship
Worker: wouldn't it be effective to put them in the lower parts of the ship too?
Designer: Nah no one goes there anyways
Worker: True
Designer: Now put the bridge in the most exposed place you can find
Worker: But why-
Designer: WE NEED WINDOWS
Worker: Do you know cameras and holograms exist, right?
Designer: W I N D O W S
*W I N D O W S*
You left out LSD
Brilliant! I died laughing!!
Geth do not use windows. Structural weakness.
Marco Narvaez lolz.
In response to your last point, the (EU) reason why there weren't droid gunners was because of a constant phobia of droids in the galaxy, something exacerbated by the Clone Wars, so many didn't want droids in a military capacity out of fear of a droid uprising, which very nearly did happen with IG-88.
Frederick von Kroner great point! The same reasoning applied in Frank Herbert's Dune. Computers were banned because of a previous uprising, hence the need for those Navigators to map space travel
Frederick von Kroner robots can not use THE FORCE IS ALWAYS WITH YOU. USE THE FORCE... OMG.
When I was a kid I read mock up designs for proposed crafts that would run on antimatter or fusion or even fission power. Almost ALL of the designs involved long causways with the crew quarters located as far from the engine as physically possible with shielding in between to avoid exposure to deadly gamma rays and radiation. The ships all ended up looking like something very similar to star wars ships with the crew quarters needing to be placed on top of things to put as much shielding as possible between the crew and the engine or reactor it was using to power the ship. So in short. It makes total sense. It wouldn't make sense if it was designed some other way.
Ironically, Star Wars ships engage at much closer distances than naval battleships and don't even follow the philosophy of extremely caliber guns and armor that can resist anything but said guns. Instead, they much more closely resemble age-of-sail ships of the line with a large number of uniformly sized guns that are used en-mass at point blank range.
Bollocks. Naval ships don't fire upon one another from miles away, starships do ..
Yeah, it reminds me of Pirates of the Caribbean.
What about the giant, cavernous spaces that all ships and space stations in Star Wars seem to have? I know that they're perfect for tossing evil emperors down to their deaths, but the rest of the time, they are just wasted space.
Not to mention the lack of safety rails. OSHA is really falling down on the job.
To me it was always a big plot hole that the first Death Star took 20 years to build but the second one was 3/4 completed in four or five years.
And chopped-off hands.
steelersguy74 I’m by no means an aficionado but as technology develops wouldn’t it be easier to build subsequent death stars. The first computer took forever but now we crank them out with relative ease
Not only that, open spaces that are required to have atmosphere or else they suffer a catastrophic hull breach and kill everyone. The ESD has this giant, open a and unprotected hangar on the most defenseless part of the ship where a few torpedoes would split the ship in half
Instead of having a B-1 battle droid operating a gunner station in the same way that a humanoid would, they should have just installed a droid brain directly into the tactical sensors and fire control of the weapon implacement. They would only have to build a droid brain instead of building a whole droid. The money they saved on not building the droid body could be spent on building a better droid brain. That always bugged me about the Trade Federation and by extension the Confederacy of Independent Systems. They could build a capital ship capable of controlling an entire droid army from orbit, but they couldn't figure out how to automate their weapon systems? One more benefit to a ship with minimal complement of Organics on board is that they would only have to have life support in the sections occupied by organic crew and command. The rest of the ship could be kept in a state of hard vacuum. It would be a foolproof fire suppression method and it would make boarding operations much more difficult.
Mike Vasquez They did have a ship like that but evidently the technology to completely automate and control a ship isn't quite there in the Star Wars universe. That destroyer had issues focusing down a single ship and ignoring others and colliding with friendly ships to get a firing Arc on enemies.
In theory it was a good idea but in practice it didn't work..... yet *looks to episode 9*
i mean, i guess it was just down to the economics of it. they had billions of b1 droids already being mass produced, so starting up a new production line and refitting all the ships with droid brains would be an expensive venture
Yu-Kai Ni I see where you're coming from, but they wouldn't have to develop a whole new production model of droid. All they would have to do is manufacturer the standard droid brain and only program it with the necessary tactical data to effectively operate a gun turret(turbo laser, ion cannon, laser cannon, etc.) All it would have to know how to do is operate a specified weapon system. It would have no need for ambulation, articulation, or ground tactics. That would free up a lot of processing power to focus on one specific function. If anything, it would save them money because they wouldn't lose as many ships and by extension they would lose far fewer resources in fact, all of the energy that they're not using to maintain life support, climate control, and gravity could be rerouted to weapons, engines, and shields.
True enough. Also though, the CIS really mismanaged a lot of things.
Also worth mentioning, the Recusant-class light destroyer was primarily droid-operated. Not sure if that means droid brains or actual droids, though.
Patrick Metzen I appreciate that, but they wouldn't be automating the whole ship. They would just have the droid brains operating their turrets individually much like they did with droid starfighters. There would still be organic officers serving in a command capacity just like they were already doing. The turret droids wouldn't have any extraneous subroutines diminishing their tactical effectiveness. I absolutely agree that Star Wars automation potential is nowhere near what it should be, but the parameters I laid out would require only a very rudimentary level of automation.
The most annoying thing to me, being an avid Elite Dangerous player, is that all of the ships fly like planes and take ZERO advantage of being in space.
Why would you ever fly like a plane when in space you can fly backwards just as fast while still shooting at what’s in front of you?
You don’t need weapons on your ventral side if you maneuver properly at least for smaller ships.
Super star destroyers have too much mass to maneuver quickly in different directions so those I would expect to have guns everywhere.
That's why Babylon 5 makes more sense than other franchises :-)
@@SiriusMined BSG as well + many known and not-that-well-known books
Virtually _EVERYTHING_ in Star Wars makes no sense. The aliens, the space ships, the planets, the governments, the weapons, the force, the technology, the robots (droids), and like I said, pretty much _everything._
The entertaining makes scenes. ;D
Yup. Most fans are complaining about how hyperspace works for ships to travel now. The premise itself doesn't make sense and fans are blaming Rian Johnson for ruining hyperspace... because he was trying to fix it.
Before the Last Jedi, hyperspace worked like this: a physical object in hyperspace can be affected by physical objects in real space but don't actually affect the physical objects in real space. Yup, a ship in hyperspace can be affected by physical objects in real space. HOW THE HELL can a physical object be in two dimensions at one time???!!! It's absolutely absurd! Stupid Star Wars poor man physics!
I love everything about space. EVERYTHING! ..except for stupid star wars series..
@RandomThoughts the funny thing about Physics is proving the theories... let me know when your statement is fact...
Calm down turbo
Trying to imagine a universe of Star Wars where everything was designed as practically useful as possible pretty much creates its own "knock off" universe to play around with... 🤔
And that's great. I want to write something, that takes place in it.
that would leave us with very small ships, mostly unmanned and likely relativistic weaponry (from which there is zero defense, if you detect it you are basically dead the next fraction of a second) - the winner is....whoever shot first - and since "rebels" a.k.a. terrorists would not be able to afford those let alone be able to operate them....EMPIRE wins...flawless victory with many fatalities^^
I'd settle for "plausible" or even just "physically possible". "Practical" is too much to ask for. I mean, people think that this work of techno-fantasy counts as science-fiction, you gotta cut them some slack.
@@Gabdube it's a soap opera.
Comon! The people who made the movies aren't scientist! And is just a movie! Is ridiculous to think about if something in a MOVIE could be done in real life or not.
You know what doesn’t make sense? An order of space wizards who work together to destroy an army of robots and two evil space wizards, their main weapon being laser swords.
It makes sense within their universe. Within that same universe the ship designs don't make sense. Not that hard to understand.
I like how that doesn't excuse the absolutely garbage ship designs.
Mario Badia MY FUCKING POINT, MARIO, IS THAT NOTHING MAKES SENSE IN THIS GALAXY! THEY COULD MAKE MOVIES ABOUT US AND BE LIKE “LOOK AT THAT THEIR SHIPS DONT MAKE SENSE”
It makes sense if you realize Star Wars isn't SF. It"s mythology set in a SF universe. Luke"s story is similar to the Irish myth of Lugh.
@@rapierlynx correction: Star Wars is a Heros Journey set in space. Joseph Campbell heavily influenced the first Star Wars following ancient archetypes from legend which is why the first Star Wars felt so mythic. we heard the story before in another way
Hmmmmm
I think the Empire ships were designed with politics and propaganda in mind. Always moving forward fearlessly and all that jingoistic crap.
Rebel ships were a bit different. Often, these boats were repurposed from low risk assignments where aesthetic and practical considerations were put before military and strategic ones.
But yeah, Star Destroyers don’t make much sense.
Make some God Damn Senese StarWars
What always annoyed me about SW ship design is that you have weapons fire coming out of just about anywhere, including bare, flat, featureless, hull.
Torrey Jones Its cause the movies want it to be about the starfighters for dramatic purposes. The capital ships were kind of an afterthought.
There are reasons why its like that, its all have to do with Republic credits and massive profits in mind.
If the vessels are sturdy and efficient, then I believe Kuat Drive Yards wont last long. Indefinite contract with Imperial Navy and Army is main objective and achieve, need to keep that contract forever! For such thing to happen, continuous building to replace lost ships is a must, and what better way than producing awkward inefficient designs ?
When there are continuous demands, Kuat Drive Yards shall profits (hopefully the war will bring more demand......and Republic credits!).
You’re not taking shields into consideration. They have whatever design they have because, especially the empire, do not expect any ship being able to penetrate the shields.
Never rely on one point of failure to cover stupid decisions elsewhere lest you be seen as doubly stupid
and I have never seen a blast bounce off of shields yet! they just pass on through the shields just like the ships do. The exception is that Mon Cal ship on the force awakens.. that was a powerful ship!
When I swing my swords they all choppable
Super Star Destroyer: "No! You can't just penetrate my shield and take out the whole bridge!"
A-Wing: "Ha Ha! A-Wing go BOOM!"
Starfighter lauched torpedos. Kamikaze (which we increased AA for). etc
The way ships stop abruptly coming out of warps, and nobody go head first through the walls because of inertia is a mystery to me
Something Something hypermatter something something science something something maintain mass and speed profile.
Because in a warp event the ship is not actually moving the space around it is
@Magni56 THIS! you cant keep going if the internal gravity of the ship isn't moving, and like the post above yours pointed out the ship isn't actually moving space is.
I think the main handwave is that the Galactic Empire had to basically spam as many easily-built modular ships as possible to control as many systems as possible.
George Lucas's vision of Star Wars was heavily influenced by WWII footage of aircraft carrier battles and the entire style is based on that. It's WWII in outer space.
I would really like to see a Star Wars imperial class star destroyer improved according to these critiques and see what kind of a vessel eck comes up with
I think it'll look like something from the Expanse.
Space battles with energy weapons would most likely take place from such a distance that you would never actually be in visual range of the target, and therefore windows are actually completely pointless. On the other hand, having capital ships take each other on at close range with hordes of small attack fighters duking it out in swarming dogfights makes for better cinema.
Indeed.. Unless they use the glass as a mirror to reflect the laser xD
It's worth noting that for battles that take place at the knife-fight ranges Star Wars favors, it would be more advantageous to use mass drivers than lasers, because it takes less power to accelerate a ferrous slug for the same amount of damage.
there is one thing in space, large distance so unguided projectiles will be prone to miss so large amout of guided missles would be better, so lasers and rockets would be bread and butter of space fights but kinetic weapons would be good for bombardmend
What if the ship loses power?
They seem to do that or get the sensors fooled easily in star wars sometimes purposely and sometimes not making me think though they need less windows a few for the bridge would be good in a capital ship.
A capital ship itself not only battles but also leads its fighters so a accurate view is important
I think if power goes out on a ship such that you can't even tell where the enemy ships are without looking out a window, the crew on that ship has bigger problems to worry about. It's unlikely they could actually _do_ much even if they could see, after all.
Different universe, but I hate how in the new Star Trek movies and Discovery the ships suddenly have bridge windows. The bridge was always needlessly on top as well in ST, but at least they never had windows. They use a view screen linked to the sensors that can display far more information than just the front view. And then JJ came along and decided there should be a window there...
That's my issue as well. At least the original design get it half-right by using viewscreen.
Geert van der Plas Agreed
Hmm... didn't next gen's bridge have a transparent ceiling?
It's also there in TOS bridge as well, for the sole purpose of having that opening shot in The Cage, which is also probably the only reason the bridge has to be on top of the ship.
Not necessary from maintenance perspective. If the bridge is modular design, placing it on top would allow much easier access than placing it deep inside the hull. (One of the reason modern warships love to put their CIC right below the bridge is this reason. They can simply cut one deck open and drop equipments from there. Since modern warship seem to build on the concept of not getting hit in the first place, vulnerability isn't much of an issue.)
Of course, if your ship is expected to get hit all the time, it isn't such a good idea.
In space opera ships are plot devices and don't need to make sense.
That is actually the best answer. Because it's a space opera, not science fiction. Quite right.
So true Star Wars doesn't need sense to be a great saga!
@Carlos Saraiva wait, do you even like Star Wars? Because it doesn't seem like you do
Comma placement?
In space, opera ships are plot devices...
In space opera, ships are plot devices...
I was hoping to find out more about opera ships.
Carlos Saraiva - Carlos have you not seen TLJ? Because it’s way worse then the Farce Awakens, and it makes absolutely no sense what’s so ever.
They’re flying Doritos no shit they don’t make sense but it’s awesome 😂
The main problem with the Empire is plot holes. I mean they were the bad guys and had to lose. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did those much vaunted Star Destroyers actually do anything? Sure They caught Princess Leia ship at the start of Episode 4 but seemingly couldn't maintain a blockade around Hoth. They did fuck all except look great in mass formation - twice! The first in ESB with the Imperial March theme and second in ROTJ when they were held back from the Battle of Endor. How many times did the Millennium Falcon evade them? Lol
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Its Star Wars, it makes no sense.
With the addition of the prequels, many have noted that many locations actually appear to be doing better under Imperial rule. Plus, those attacked are rebels who oppose the Empire and threaten war anyway, so really, despite being lead by a Sith master, the Empire is generally only shown forcing their style of order over the galaxy and the rebels main motivation is simply freedom to choose their own way.
Now, the Empire, or at least Vader, does allow people like Jabba to continue on, so the system isn't perfect, but, the Empire is apparently liked by its populace to some extent as Luke was considering joining in the very beginning. It seem like the Empire kept their more shady actions covert, but, then again, most real wars are fought merely over a difference in ideology, so, unlike WWII, one side doesn't have to be blatantly evil.
what is EU stuff?
Karl Kruger Star Wars Expanded Universe
The display tech in Star Wars is not good at all, and would be subject to jamming and have to work while damaged.
Replicators vs a Unified Star Wars universe (278th try now, *_I._** WILL NEEEEVER EEEVER GIVE UP!!!)*
I assume from SG1 and SGA, because if so YES
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Engineer: Sir, these designs you specifically wanted are flawed. There are many glaring weaknesses-
Commander: But does it look cool?
Engineer: Well, yes, but-
Commander: Then it's settled. The Force will protect any weaknesses we may have
*several thousand years later*
Han: THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!
When I was a kid I assumed the republic capital ships were primarily for intimidation, and the ventral side smooth and well armoured to provide better protection from small planetary defence weapons.
To me all of the Star Wars ships, in particular the Imperial Star Destroyers makes sense in an aesthetic sense. They were originally meant to look like WWII Japanese Pagoda style battleships. Hence why they had clear, tall bridges and upper works. A clear "front" and "rear" even the color... Its why the smaller ships often looked like WWII light cruisers, destroyers, and destroyer escorts. Its why X-wing fighters look like the cross between an arrow and a MIG-21 from the cold war. Its why the Y-Wing looks like a fast attack fighter-bomber like a Mosquito, or P38.. Even the B26.. I just don't know what was with the AT-AT's.. Giant robo combat cows (Battle Cattle?) and AT-ST's.. Giant robo battle kangaroos..
yeah...those AT suck...I´d expected something huge on tracks, not necessarily heavy but H U G E (Sir, we´ve parked over the rebel base and thus destroyed it) and armed to the theet... me thinks ILM just wanted to show off with these
AT-AT were cool to the bone, and everyone love them. The idea was to give Luke the 'cattle tie up' idea around the legs since they share the same vulnerability of high legs and the snowspeeder having the tow cable. It was a plot design choice and i will add, a wonderful one, making the point that even if facing with impossible forces, there was sometime a way to use 'old' and 'instinctive' knowledge to overcome it! George have always said that Star Wars is about saying that if technology is wonderful, the human mind is even more MIRACULOUS. That is the deeper meaning of STAR WARS if you didn't realized already. That is why a lot of their 'design' is about making humans look good. But of course, if you design everything logically without flaws, there is no story to tell... Luke would have been killed and never join Obi-Wan in his journey toward becoming a Jedi!
And that is also why the movies of today have no soul, have no lasting interrest, and basically are empty to the soul of people watching them...they speak to your logic but not your soul...
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@@Donmeister85 Is it an upvote on youtube of just a like?
@@jessikapiche6097 THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR! FINALLY A PERSON WITH LOGIC IN HIS MIND!
PEOPLE MOVIES ARE FOR FUN NOT FOR SCIENCE!
I know I made a comment already, but oh well. (This is my attempt/ thoughts of a reason why everything is like that)
-I think that in Star Wars there is a reason ship are like that.
For one thing the creators of all these ships (In star wars at least) are the corporations.
-For one thing they want to sell their product, so in thus the Star destroyer which was intended to look intimidating is designed as such. Meanwhile Mon Calamari ships used by the rebels were originally cruise liners or along such lines designed to be less so. Looking at Mon Cal ships after the new republic "New Class Modernization Project" their designs changed in many ways.
-Meanwhile if you look at ships used by the corporations to defend their holdings. They are powerful ships that are somehow able to outgun, and overpower all their designs sold to star wars factions (I could be wrong here). Usually these ship look nothing like their sponsored products.
So those are my thoughts....
Why don’t you make a video about designing the perfect capital ship
Giant cube with hangars, guns, and thrusters on every side. Done.
There's another video related to this one, where they think Capital Ships don't actually have any combat value, because if you can ram a ship into them at lightspeed (like the last Jedi scene), they become easy targets. Fill up a crappy freighter with torpedoes, stick a robot on it, and have it collide at light speed into a star destroyer. Sorry I don't remember what the video was called.
For the hangars, show the clip from the _Clone Wars_ movie where they blow up the hangar in the _Venator._
Nothing in Star Wars makes Sense. Its a fairytale with princesses and wizards, that just happens to happen spaceships in it.
Asturian Watchman because there are some things that aren’t believable. It’s not believable for a modern assault weapon to be used in a lord of the rings movie, just like it’s not believable for such a advanced tech galaxy that’s been so advanced for so long to still be reliant on such clumsy and inefficient ship design. It’s uncharacteristically stupid for a society with such advanced engineering.
Asturian Watchman Just because it has spaceships in it, doesnt make it any sci-fi
It's treason then
If only the TLJ apologists and haters would realize that.
GL himself said it's a space soap opera.
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Attila The Hun don't... just don't lol
"fast and deadly snubfighters", shows OS2U kingfisher, hahaha. FEAR THE MIGHTY KINGFISHER
Jou forgot: most ships only have engines at the back side of the ship. How could they brake, accent or decent?
@VobisPacem autocorrect is a bitch🤣
they can magically create reverse thrust to decelerate
If it was any realistic - flip and burn.
@@caav56 how does one flip?🤔
@@megamaximpie By firing maneuvering engines, until the ship is pointed the main engines towards the destination, then starting up the main engines.
And worst of all, they are incredibly inaccurate. They can't hit the broadside of a ship. For being so advanced, they have a serious lack of automated targeting systems. With their weapons and our targeting systems, fighters would be useless.
My main issue is the severe lack of point defence. There is no reason why you can't plop hundreds of small automated miniguns all over the hull of any ship. They could output a huge volume of small arms firepower and mince any Starfighter or missile no matter how skilled the pilot.
The other thing is that capital ships should be engaging targets from thousands of kilometers away, not point black.
I think the reason why they do close engagements is because laser cannons rapidly disperse and lose power over range.
@@spicketspaghet7773 but this is a vacuum which dosen't have a force to stop a laser cannon
Real lasers disperse over distance. You can take a high powered that can cut through steel plate at an inch, mount it on the space station, point it at the moon, and it will be barely visible by the time it reaches the surface due to how wide of an area it is now covering.
Blasters and such lose cohesion over distance and become less effective. A very common sci-fi trope with a basis in real world physics that makes weapons behave more like current modern stuff.
@@RealLuckless really thats cool but i thought the blasters shot plasma
James Smith and why would that SciFi "plasma" hold together in a tight bundle any better than focused light in a laser?
My dad works at a transpairasteel plant!! You ddont use it on your ship my dad losses his job
Your dad should find another job, preferably one that is useful like selling air conditioning units on the planet Hoth.
John Doe that’s where my mom works
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yes star wars is for Kids mostly
Maybe he should sell umbrellas and water proof clothing on tatooine!
All modern combat ships have their bridge very high and very exposed
The borg cube is the best star ship design in all scifi
It's Borg perfection
a ball would be even better but yeah more usable than sw ships
@@SimplifiedFinanceSiFi Perry Rhodan has spherical ships with engines located in the circular bulge around the equator, which gives them crazy maneuverability.
@N30N 0M3N Borg cube is star trek???
@Magni56 no i'd put the laser on a rotating ring. Like a tank gun but with 1 more axis. i still favor a spherical design. It obviously depends on which size we are talking though
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Legion: windows are a structural weakness
Im pretty sure Poe didnt make a run at the devestators belly because tractor beams were commonly used in space combat to prevent such maneuvers, which usually resulted in ships caught being captured or outright destroyed.
For the transparent "glass", it can come in handy in case you, somehow, can't use the radars
(This is happened to _Yamato_ when she's in Rainbow Star Cluster, and later become worse as she's attacked andlost her radars)
I can explain it all in 2 words. "Graphic Designers". How many things are developed around a graphic design some manager liked over what an engineer would have designed for functionality and durability?
Let's face it, the marketing department overrides the engineering department when it comes to business decisions.
Well, the Battlestars in Battlestar Galactica (at least the new one) are sensibly designed and still look cool, so you can have both. Similarly, the Bismarck or Iowa class battleships also were sensibly designed with their function in mind and still ended up looking, at least to me, some of the most beautiful warships ever built.
Still, it would be nice if some designers would at least study the basics of what makes a, in this example, warship, a warship and then figure out the design around it.
I would say it depends on the director and cast's desire to have an accurate portrayal. There are movies and shows where they have experts on hand to keep accuracy. Like Lie to Me was a show like that. But I think the money usually dictates cutting those corners and many in the industry lean too heavily on the suspension of disbelief principle of hollywood.
Since the design is not vetted by any real operational test; beyond a minimum level of audience believability; the design serves the purpose of the story. The storyline/character development relies on a sea-based naval environment. That's how those capital ships ended up being so weak relative to smaller ships because they were an adapted design of sea based ships.
Guys, guys, I don't think it's about movie visual designers! I think it's just that in-universe visual designers just got a bit too influential and now they dictate how a destroyer will look like... ;)
The engineering limitations and strategic potential is only dictated by the poetic license of the visual designers; in-universe or "movie" who are governed by the feasibility of special effects and the will of the directors and producers.
It doesn’t but it sure is entertaining to watch space battles on screen
The nonsensical ship designs and ridiculously poor tactics pretty much ruins SW space battles for me.
Stories where the problems and/or resolutions are created by people being unbelievably stupid are, well, unbelievable. The graphics are impressive, but that is all there is to it when any sort of suspension of disbelief is pointlessly shattered.
Travis Collier who cares about suspension of disbelief?
Captain Fordo... Apparently not Disney or the production teams they have been choosing. Maybe they should just hire Michael Bay to make the next set of SW movies.
Forget about the bridge being on top. Why would something so massive as a star destroyer not have backup bridges? Even the Starship Enterprise had the Auxilliary Control Room.
IIRC, First Order ships have backup bridge, buried deep inside the superstructure.
They actually do. I know all the star destroyers had backup bridges which was established in the old Star Wars expanded Universe.
Ethan Matz Then why did the super star destroyer go out of control and fall into Death Star 2 when the bridge was destroyed?
It was only a temporary loss of control, but they were so close to the Death Star that the auxiliary bridge crew weren't able to pull up in time.
IRL dreadnoughts had heavily armored conning towers in addition to the regular bridge.
I think some of these actually make a lot of sense:
1. If you design any war vehicle, you want to minimize the area on which you can be hit while also having as much room as possible for e.g. troops, engines, amo, or in star wars: Starfighters. The flat design (especially of the super star destroyer) makes a lot of sense because you have a huge area but if you face the enemy with your broad side, you have a minimal area exposed. If you want to engage the enemy with this position, it also makes perfect sense to put your weapons there. A star destroyer is literally fucked anyways if someone gets to fire at it's top or belly because the hit area is just insanely big, therefore, you wouldn't really care about defending this part anyway.
2. A ship needs Windows! I might be wrong about it, but there are surely devices in the star wars universe that can disable electronics... If you are reliant on holograms or cameras, they could be disabled, leaving you completely blind because you can't just go on deck of the ship. I don't know if the bridge specifically needs to have windows but having the capability to physically looking out of your ship is cruzial.
The star destroyers have quite a bit of surface area on the top and bottom.
if it makes any sense, every engagements would be at least several light minutes in range with both sides having massive ships. in that case you are blind anyway if your sensors are disabled.
@@netbotcl586 fair enough, but I close encounters may still happen, I see no point in not installing windows
If your electronics are disabled, windows are of no use to you either, seeing as you can't steer the ship, fire the weapons or even protect yourself with shields then. A window on the other hand - even if it is as strong as the rest of the hull - requires you to be on the surface of your ship which is just a bad idea.
@@MajinOthinus yeah but the electronics may not be disabled for good, you can still get more information with windows