Honestly, they should of kept the clones, cause the clones eliminated almost all of the Jedi in the last 10 minutes of episode 3, and the storm troopers couldn’t even kill one over 6 movies
@Eragor the Kindhearted you do realise they got rid of micro transactions after less than a week? All content is earnable through gameplay and all content is free
@@bruhmomento1172 I think your missing the point Star wars fans will put up with a lot. The transactions werent the only problem it was the straw that broke the camels back. Old bf2 has a better story Old bf2 had better squad systems Old bf2 allowed hangar combat Old bf2 had class balance as well as hero balance Old bf2 had more open maps and objectives which makes for more replayability
Rewatch every Stormtrooper vs. non-hero battle. They are amazing shots, way more accurate than any soldier on Earth today. The only shots they miss, are surprise surprise, heroes with heavy duty plot armor.
@@georgehamilton2116 No Sheev, I do not watch Rick and Morty. You should rewatch the first scene from a New Hope where the Stormtroopers fight the rebels. Those basic rebels do not have plot armor, therefore get destroyed by the Stormtroopers. It is the only time we actually see them in a battle with non heroes, as soon as they fight the heroes, plot armor kicks in.
@@georgehamilton2116 I agree. Empire Strikes Back does it the best, New Hope second best, and Return is the worst because the Stormtroopers fight Ewoks. Space battles are usually balnced well though.
Blotshrafn yeah and that too but they had the know how to kill a Jedi. But them marching into the Jedi temple during operation Nightfall does make a difference
Man who joined the empire: "These clones are weak." Clone who just fought through the clone wars, saw the empire rise, and took part on the raid on the jedi temple: Excuse me what?
Overused joke being spammed in the comments: "These clones are weak" Me who just scrolled down to see 5 different comments like this: "Excuse me what?"
@@benalkozan8468 Actually Stormtroopers are very precise. It's just that the main characters have plot armor. And I'm just saying, while Stormtroopers are just normal recruits (though most of the ones on the Death Star were 501st veterans but Luke killed them all), they are more likely to kill a whole battalion of clones simply because they have better weapons and better armor. Also don't forget that the Empire has more experienced generals than the clone army. That, along with the weapons, is the main reason the Empire could stop the Kamino Uprising.
Vetarlit Torf and also, I’m not talking about armor or weapons, I’m talking about just pure honor, loyalty, and skill, the clones in my opinion are just more desirable. If the clones had the same weapons and armor at the time, they would be at the same level or more than stormtroopers. But I do see your point that yes, they were probably more powerful because of budget and weapons.
“Though the 501st itself remained pure. The rest of the imperial army gradually became more and more diverse. We never really got used to the new guys”
Kaminoans: “sure we’ll make a clone army that will turn against the Jedi.” Kaminoans after the empire takes over: “We’re going to do what’s called a pro gamer move.”
Pain Station it could have. Or maybe if the kaminoans weren’t money hungry in the first place they wouldn’t have made a chip to turn on their Jedi generals
Obviously, they got the entire old Jedi Order, while Stormtroopers just fought rebels and little more. But yes, they couldn't handle the Jedi Order if it's not by overwhelming them as cannon fodder.
Lot of things he could have done if he was not so paranoid like give the sun troopers actual equal training to the Inquisitors or Vader keeping the clones better tie fighters reactivate the battle droids and add them to his ranks making it so he has droids and clones as one army
@Sari Çizmeli Mehmet Ağa Cloning becomes increasingly ineffective and kind of like inbreeding if you use a clone's DNA to make more clones. That's why they can't just take a sample of Jango's DNA, say "lolbye" and use the clones to make more clones.
Well...technically they did try to clone Boba, But he killed the empire scientist who did it because he like the video above said didn't want to ruin his fathers legacy. Having large army of bobas instead of jangos would of lessen his fathers impact on the galaxy. also Cloneing a clone would of made their Dna a lot weaker to attacks with biological weapons
“After the conclusion of the Clone Wars the 501st was put under the command of Lord Vader.” The 501st was always under Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. It was his unit that he led during the Clone Wars.
Abram Sullivan Vader’s fist was a nickname given to the 501st post clone wars. I was saying clearly debating the idea that the 501st was put under the command of Vader post Clone Wars. Which isn’t true. The 501st was always under Anakins charge and command.
Maestrofeli no.... As we see with the Return of the Jedi, Anakin repents so to speak by throwing the Emperor to his death and thus Anakin as returned. So a change of name doesn’t mean a change of being so to speak. The 501st was always lead by the same being whether with the name of Skywalker or Vader. Now if you go with Obi-WANs thinking that Anakin ceased to be when he became Vader then you’re going to have a hard time with the Return of the Jedi when Anakin returns not just as a repentant Vader but also obviously when he dies and it’s Anakins spirit (Force ghost) that shows up next to Obi-Wan and Yoda. So Obi-Wan was actually wrong. He didn’t believe that Vader aka Anakin could be turned back. So thusly Obi-WANs idea that Anakin was fully dead was also not true.
@@kanemn9470 It's an expression that requests a simpler version of what they said, often used when dealing with the English derivatives legalese and politicalese.
Rex, Cody, Hardcase, Waxer, Hevy, Gregor, Wolffe, _especially_ Fives... Every one of them was superior to even the best Stormtrooper. Kyle Katarn doesn't count, he's a Force sensitive.
@@gabriels9919 but in the( now discarded EU)novels and short stories Palpatine began using Spaarti cloning equipment, in lieu of Kaminoan cloning technology, because the Spaarti process was able to grow clones to maturity in significantly less time than the kaminoan process, less than 1 year if i remember correctly(versus the 10 years it took to grow a kamino clone) No matter the kaminoan clones being better quality than the Spaarti bred clones they would easily be vastly outnumbered by the Spaarti clones. Part of the stated reason for Palpatine using the quicker but inferior Spaarti process was he didn't trust the kaminoans. At all
@@shooter7734 and he was right to think that. also the clones had to rely on the natural born guys to hold the line and counter attack untill they got there anyway.
But he was one guy. Besides, Darth Sidious himself had "corrupted" the clones and likely realized how easy it would be for something like that to happen to him. Add into that that the clones actually did seem to have developed something of a culture all their own in a way the Stormtroopers never did. They were not just loyal to the Republic, but to their brothers. It's part of why you had clones like Fives and Rex.
Not at all. Soldiers that literally just betray their leaders with a chip. Order 66 made it seem like the whole clone war was nothing more than a filler saga.
Honestly I think if this was cannon and the anticlones became a dominant force then the starwars universe would have been so much more interesting. I've always had trouble liking the rebels just because they were so unlikeable. If they were phase 1 clones then that would have been dope.
I can't believe that the Empire didn't offer up a cushy retirement to any natural born Storm Trooper that displayed some amazing talent for strategy, loyalty or combat, for their willingness to offer up their DNA for soldiers cloned by the Empire
@@cannedbollocks Well clones are cloned of one of the best bounty hunters which I remind you is a mandalorian. As George Lucas stated that Clones were better in fighting but Stormtroopers have might in numbers. Also clones were bred to fight and stormtroopers are just normal people but they cost less.
When it comes to the clone troopers, I have a love/hate relationship with them. I love them as the Rebel army and I hate the fact that their existence was essentially all a Sith ploy to execute the Jedi Order from within. I know it's not the clones' fault and I love that some got free of the chip and escaped the horrors of Order 66, it's just that the whole thing is insanely tragic, yet so beautifully concocted. Even though this post-66 was a big mess to my ears.
This mission and the mission of a geonosian reactivating a droid army were always interesting since you can't get the empire to ever fight those two groups in any other mission.
I grew up on the prequels, so I have a huge soft spot for the first gen clones. They pretty much immediately became my favorite characters. I swear I felt a faint pain in my chest when Palpatine did what he did. I know they were designed to do that from the start, but I hate that my favorite characters were used as pawns for evil purposes, and then to make matters worse their weapons and armor went through some serious downgrading. Clones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stormtroopers
Like you mentioned, I remember playing this mission in the original Star Wars Battlefront 2 as a kid on my Playstation 2. Going to Kamino as the 501st to destroy the facility... What memories. By far, one of the most intense and emotional levels of ANY game I've ever played.
@Nick Gurrepisode 4 is 20 years after episode 3, all the clones were old by that point, in canon clones were mostly phased out after 8 months, in legends it took at least 5 years
@@williamwebb580 I liked legends better anyway to but the video title should have that distinction. I clicked on this video assuming it was canon but it was something I already saw in the game.
The bounty hunter left after the battle was over, he said something about tracking down a smuggler on Tatooine. After the Kamino uprising, the emperor decided that an army of genetically identical soldiers, was too subsetable to corruption. Future troopers would be cloned from a variety of templates. Though the 501st itself remained pure, the rest of the imperial army gradually became more and more diverse. We never really got used to the new guys. - 501st Clone Trooper Surviver
the average clone would take out 20 droids before dying and that was for an average, run of the mill, no frills infantry clone. Commander Cody’s kill count is literally a few hundred shy of 8000 in canon. You can’t possibly convince me that the shitty, genetically inferior, conscripted soldiers are going to somehow beat that? I reserve the right to call bullshit.
@@stonksagent9040 Till their plot armor expired, then the Clones killed them. I like Clones more either way, they fought hard because they had their brothers beside them, they never quit, they will avenge their fallen brothers. While Stormtroopers are just a bunch of ragtag recruits, you rarely see them go all out (in Rebels for example they're more expendable than Clones were, granted plot armor and all that, but even when you see them at war they'll just fail at anything they try)
Shoretrooper ST 3202 I mean clones are bettwr in every way anywhere literally bred for war better in skill combat and yes accuracy stormtroopers were quantity over quality
I remember it, on a mision on Star wars battlefront 2 you go to kamino and kill them all and they had really powerful wepons like heavy machineguns each won and the last part of the mision you retrive the sample of jango and take it to a ship waiting outside of the clon center ah and you kill the kamino that are escaping
Yes... And his identity as Vader is supposed to be a secret but it is known that the 501st attacked the Temple and that after that Vader joined them as a leader. I'm pretty sure wild theories about Vader being Anakin must have been uttered in the lower levels of Coruscant.
@@rafaeltiburcio6624 I could see the 501st still being comprised of pure clones, especially the older ones, as Vader doesn't like them as much as I recall.
@@Battleguild yeah fair enough but separarist droids are also expensive to mass produce so they might only use the best droids like a few commando droids or assassin droids
Well they did in the Legends canon. Dwarf spider droids were used as "hound dogs" by the Stormtrooper Corps often being used at checkpoints and Imperial garrisons.
@@jellyfamilyfriendly4891 yeah it was free on the epic games store until the 21st. a lot of new players realizing how amazing the game was after about 2 years of content updates and bug fixes
If I remember correctly from the "Republic Commando" novels, the clones had a a short life span and would die of old age around 20 years, if not sooner (assuming, of course, they weren't killed in combat somewhere)...? Also assuming that I'm not senile and "misremembering" what was a really great read, could this life-span issue have been one of the factors that motivated the Emperor to turn to natural-born soldiers?
Makes sense. If they kick it at 20, that’s 2-3 years of combat. And that’s assuming they just up and die like right away, and don’t tie up the sick bay.
One of my major gripes with Star Wars was that they always made them simple cannon fodder regardless. Even the droids, the clones, the stormtroopers etc... based on their overall descriptions I feel like the story would be much better of they were all competent threats that posed a legit danger. Instead its a roller coaster of inconsistencies with their performances
Same is true of any massed ranks, they are painted as heavy threats but at the same time entirely expendable. The inconsistency is mirrored in real life but certainly heightened in movies, and it also happens with primary villains. One moment they are an unstoppable killing machine, never miss a shot and could get 100% headshots with a pistol, in a sandstorm, firing into a 200mph headwind, while blindfolded, next minute they couldn't hit the flank of a blue whale while it was beached and a single centimetre from their face. Star Wars wasn't the first to do it and certainly won't be the last.
@@benmarshall2440True. But still, it’s annoying when Rebels can take down a star destroyer with a pistol, when in a prior scene, that same star destroyer was slugging it out with a rebel capital ship with full on broadsides, and vaporizes it. It’s lazy writing.
“Ah yes the clones are to susceptible to corruption, lets solve this problem by making more clones from different genetic templates, that makes perfect sense.”
I mean, it helps to prevent GENETIC corruption, yeah. But I’m thinking about other factors that I feel not many people are talking about. It has been heavily implied, not quite directly stated, that the clones legit had their own culture. They considered themselves all to be brothers, because, genetics-wise, they were, as well as brothers-at-arms. They were also specifically bred to be loyal and follow orders, and the inhibitor chips they had reinforced that. What I’m getting at is, this breeding for loyalty, and using the one genetic source, might create this kind of twin culture. Twins who can be so different from each other, even though they look alike and were raised similarly, so they are inseparable. In the Clone Wars, under the Jedi, it seems to me that, just like twins, they definitely staked their individuality, while also being connected by their brotherhood. I think that this culture combination made them a great asset to the Republic in that way, so they made a great army, and yet were allowed to think outside the box enough to be deadly in unfamiliar situations. Then Order 66 happens. It turns that almost fanatic loyalty towards their brethren and towards any ideals they might have developed under the Jedi and the Republic into loyalty only to the Empire. This is where my point comes in. An entire army made from one genetic source? It reinforces that fanatic loyalty type culture because they are the same, and I would say it makes them easier to control. Diversity would make the army harder to control, I think. So I’m still a little confused by why literal clones, your own sheeple army, would be inferior to diverse clones. To argue for genetic materials’ sake, yeah, you’d have to introduce new genetic material to avoid more physically corrupted results as time goes on. But I see that affecting the culture too. “Jango Fett” clones would still probably think themselves superior to everyone else, and “Mr. Star Wars John Doe” clones would want to prove themselves or think they’re superior to other “genetic factions” of clones, etc. They could all be fanatically loyal to the Empire, but be alienated from each other as factions. I’m not sure how that would play out. It could be good for the Emperor, for the clone factions to be falling over themselves to please him, or it could be totally detrimental to the army as a whole because the factions might not work together well. But then again, it’s the “us versus them” mentality. Against the other clone factions, or against the the Rebels as a whole. So maybe they could work together better than I think. I think a single genetic source troop would be easiest to control, (especially with the chip) even though it could not be sustained. So I guess I have to ask....what type of corruption are we talking about? Genetic corruption, absolutely. Environmental propaganda corruption? Also yes, but that is swayed to the Empire’s favor. What kind of corruption was the Emperor afraid of here? And the 501st is a lovely case. I think it would normally be hard for the clones to turn on each other too much because of the feeling of brotherhood and what they have had to sacrifice together. But once the chips activated, they could totally turn on each other because the loyalty to the Empire trumps that, I guess. But the 501st Legion is special. They are veterans, they served under Anakin, and learned all sorts of things from him, and now serve Vader. They seem to have the unique situation of serving under a familiar commander, with their own little brotherhood. They get to be fanatically loyal to both the Empire and the commander they’ve always had, with no significant change in their ranks. They become one of the most feared tools of the Empire because they hit the sweet spot of the army: manufactured and real loyalty plus experience. I think their example might convince me that clones work out just fine. I don’t know, other than the physical corruption, I don’t see the Jango Fett’s blood sample as the main problem. I think the main problem for the Empire was that the “Anti-Troopers” were raised under a different propaganda. So I guess....they are easily corrupted through propaganda? But I still don’t know if a more diverse army would be better. It might spur more creative thinking, perhaps, or perhaps the “twins” would do that anyway to out-compete each other. Does this make any sense?
@@blueserenbippity7066yeah, I agree with all of your points and sentiments…and questions. I’d only add that it might be desirable to have that gold copy of Jango to eliminate, and maybe isolate, any clandestine genetic engineering of Jango’s genome. Some agents may have been able to steal some Jango templates, tamper with the DNA, or whatever, to engineer some trait that eventually may be some liability for the Empire, and then slip the template back into specific batches on the assembly line.
The original Battlefront II was legendary. It was one of the best missions in the game, though I loved doing Order 66. Marching into the Temple with Vader, and then seeing those jedi coming at you, only to get the fatal shot on them right before they behead you was exhilarating.
That with Ewoks is one of the stupidest thing in movie history. Some tribe of little bears defeated one big and super advanced army of super soldiers. 👏👏👏👏BRAVO!!!
@@vencislavgynev8282 The Ewoks attacked small isolated groups, using ambush tactics and the advantage of being camouflaged and being capable of moving amongst the canopy in their attacks. The stormtroopers were in an unfamiliar place, with white armour.
I don't think the Clone Troopers would have made fools of themselves against the Jawas like the Stormtroopers did. The 1st Order Troopers were an absolute joke when they came around.
They keep changing characters & that nothing was wrong with them the knew story is coming I can fill it !!! In the force ( palpatine movie) sith alkame (James Franco myte get the job back he was going to play him in the the tyrannical "tyrant" cameos episode 9 he was passionate about the roll until right after the model shoot's for the Books Tarken and Darth palegouse the wise the scandal begain...... I digress I agree with you the remix is real
There was a moment where some Purge Troopers following the Inquisitors who were hunting a Jedi. The Purge Troopers were former clones and the Jedi used a mind trick into executing Order 66 against the Inquisitors since they were former Jedi, the Purge Troopers started blasting at the Inquisitors. Probably another reason why they replaced Clones with Stormtroopers
Spartan War118 bro stop being a grammar nazi, in reality no one cares what “theyre, there, their” people use people like you should not be allowed to comment on peoples posts.
Stormtroopers could hit quite well, remember Hoth or the Tantive? They just were either ordered to miss or the heroes needed plot armor. I don't think anyone would enjoy seeing the main protagonist of the movie die 20 minutes in.
@@vryyyx Let's see the battle before Rorke's Drift, First Gen jets vs prop planes in Vietnam, the conquistadors when they invaded the Americas where cotton armor was better than the plate armor used by the conquistadors the Philippine-American War etc. for more info see Rock Beats Laser on Tv Tropes.
sc0rch not all the time but he’s not wrong it happens more than you think. Think about star wars effects in the original trilogy and how they mostly still hold up today, vs a movie w cgi and effects in maybe 2005
they arent incompetent they just cannot hit the characters watch how in star wars new hope the stormtroopers mowed down all the rebel soldiers and got little loses even for being attacker vs enemy with cover and defense
I now know the story behind this mission I did over and over again on my father ps2 as a kid very interesting video well explained thank you for this amazing story may the force be with you
@Luis Martinez droids could shoot. Stormtroopers couldn't hit a target the size of a freaking star destroyer. Everytime we saw stormtroopers do stuff in the original films it was largely the 501st. Vaders assault on hoth, his defense of the death star, his attack on leias ship etc. All 501st. = clones.
StarWars Battlefront 2 Classic by Pandemic made a mission based on this scenario. One of my favourite maps back on PS2 console where coop is possible where one player is BobaFett and the other is EITHER Legendary class that can switch roles in different intervals of the mission.
The biggest problems with clones is how often you would have to replace them. Their aging means that the clone war veterans would have been replaced several times over with untested clones with no combat experience by the time the rebellion had come around. The old clones like Rex would be fine in short combat situations as seen in the cartoons. However, real combat can stretch out into a multi-day or week fire and maneuver scenario. Old man Rex would have been out of steam by the end of the first day let alone several days of doing that. He could never run the fields of Geonosis in full gear like he did when he was first put into action or newer clones. Hence he would be "retired" with a VERY small portion sent to Kamino to server as trainers. The clones biggest advantage was their combat experience. This is noted by huge combat losses they sustained in their first year during the Clone Wars despite having some of the best combat experienced instructors in the galaxy. Of course plot armor also explains a lot of the Rebellion's successes so we won't discuss that.
OH Hell, now I understood the Special Battle in the original Battelfront 2, where you can fight with "diffent looking" Clones against Stormtroopers... now everything makes sense.. Nice Video
In the movies, they said because of the death of Jango Fett who is the template for the clones, since he died, the cloners had to stretch his DNA to create more clones, so the clones go worse and worse. And the clones actually had emotion so they would regret order 66 for the rest of their lives
Me: Is he really not gonna use footage or even mention Battlefront II? This mission was by far one of the most noteworthy and incredible TSW: Mentions it I thought so
I think he just wanted stormtroopers....he also re-invented the german machine gun thats only used in pakistan still and put laser energy in it to make it cary more anumition and re-invented AT tanks or mines from germany into AT-AT,AT-ST And AT-PT because legs and Lasorsss were more effectife then tanks that use more gasoline then youre truck in 10 years same as the germans made the anti air tower that was undefeateble and the huge number of bunkers that could wistand bombs from outside, for this mistake he made the tower float in space and into a complete base and combined it with the huge train canon from hitler. (Since legend says the nazi went to the moon he made it look like a moon)bye learning from the past from earth he went back in time to re-invent time and perfect it into the first Galactic empire
@@Blobby192 Though all other Jedi before order 66 they could sense most of the dangers and even after that some Jesus could still sense the danger. So the Jedi should have blocked the bullets with the saber
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Imagine having a Band of Brothers style show with the 501. I think that would be worth the watch.
They did, it’s called The Clone Wars.
I would donate too much money to Disney to make it possible. Who wouldn't love that, honestly?
@@8ZakattacK9 Investing anything into Disney is a waste of resources but I agree either way. There is far too much untapped potential
Cesar Zarate it’s a show, it’s called the clone wars. It’s so good, gives the clones their own personality.
Alex Rodriguez well yes, but no
Honestly, they should of kept the clones, cause the clones eliminated almost all of the Jedi in the last 10 minutes of episode 3, and the storm troopers couldn’t even kill one over 6 movies
Order 66 didn’t actually last 10 minutes. It lasted several weeks. Just sped up for movie purposes of course.
I definitely agree but also *should've
Darwin Brander but still a few weeks compared to 6 movies
They weren't trained to aim, apparently
Darwin Brander it was meaning that the order 66 scene lasted 10 minutes
Natural born stormtroopers: Clones are weaker than us
Clones that were literally created for fighting: U wut, m8?
its like Taking Breath..
The one who never had it just barely needed
Bred for fighting. Genetically made to fight because they're clones of a MANDALORIAN.
Vincent Marcellino Jango wasn’t a mandalorian the Clone wars and Jorge Lukas already said their family isn’t a mandalorian.
sol1d gh0st like I said canon his not.
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@Christian Garcia He said that canon is not, you're linking a legends page. jesus christ, read.
Storm troopers are actually pretty accurate, they just can’t hit someone with plot armor
Or they are missing on purpose
Rex said in rebels that he couldn't see in a stormtrooper helmet
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I think that's Disney tho right?
bruh ever since 1977 bad aim has literally been deemed "stormtrooper aim"
@@Zeelda1564 so you're like in your 40s now?
"We never really got used to the new guys..."
OG Battlefront 2!! My brother!!
Because they didn't watch those wrist Rockets
BF2 for ps2 is the greatest team shooter game ever created
"Watch those wrist rockets!!!" -
Daniel Smith idk about that but it was good.
Sounds like a certain Battlefront II campaign mission
@Eragor the Kindhearted lol new bf2 no longer has paywalls but keep being ignorant why don't you?
@Eragor the Kindhearted new bf2> 2005 bf2
@Eragor the Kindhearted you do realise they got rid of micro transactions after less than a week? All content is earnable through gameplay and all content is free
@@0IceGuy0
> don't be ignorant
> make an ignorant ass comment
Man shut your goofy ass up lmfao take a social media rehab
@@bruhmomento1172
I think your missing the point
Star wars fans will put up with a lot. The transactions werent the only problem it was the straw that broke the camels back.
Old bf2 has a better story
Old bf2 had better squad systems
Old bf2 allowed hangar combat
Old bf2 had class balance as well as hero balance
Old bf2 had more open maps and objectives which makes for more replayability
“Naturally born storm troopers believed that the clones were inferior.” *Proceeds to miss every shot*
Rewatch every Stormtrooper vs. non-hero battle. They are amazing shots, way more accurate than any soldier on Earth today. The only shots they miss, are surprise surprise, heroes with heavy duty plot armor.
Games Gear n' Thrash bet you’re the kinda guy who thinks you have to be an intellectual to watch Rick and Morty
@@georgehamilton2116 No Sheev, I do not watch Rick and Morty. You should rewatch the first scene from a New Hope where the Stormtroopers fight the rebels. Those basic rebels do not have plot armor, therefore get destroyed by the Stormtroopers. It is the only time we actually see them in a battle with non heroes, as soon as they fight the heroes, plot armor kicks in.
Games Gear n' Thrash the balancing between plot armour and regular rebel deaths could have been done better
@@georgehamilton2116 I agree. Empire Strikes Back does it the best, New Hope second best, and Return is the worst because the Stormtroopers fight Ewoks. Space battles are usually balnced well though.
“ we never really got used to the new guys” - 501st trooper
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It makes sense that the 501st has the highest efficiency in killing Jedi since they killed pong krell during the battle of umbara
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@@dennisbrown2106 ummm right?!!
Also tup killed that one Jedi in the “unknown” clone wars episode
Not to mention that it was the 501st that marched into the Jedi Temple with the newly annointed Lord Vader. That certainly upped their kill count.
Blotshrafn yeah and that too but they had the know how to kill a Jedi. But them marching into the Jedi temple during operation Nightfall does make a difference
Stormtrooper: *slaps roof of car*
*misses*
HAHAHAHHAHAH
Stolen
Meanwhile Clonetrooper: slaps roof of car. Breaks car
Stolen meme
@@Black_Swan1937 I see what you did there.
Man who joined the empire: "These clones are weak."
Clone who just fought through the clone wars, saw the empire rise, and took part on the raid on the jedi temple: Excuse me what?
Overused joke being spammed in the comments: "These clones are weak"
Me who just scrolled down to see 5 different comments like this: "Excuse me what?"
MULDOONE lmao
Obi-Wan Kenobi thought I killed you shit
What about the Wookie attack on the dRoIdS?
Sheev Palpatine no you didn't
The clones are easily much better than the stormtroopers
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In terms of finesse, yes. But you fail to take into account that Stormtroopers have superior blaster rifles and other weapons.
Vetarlit Torf we aren’t talking about technology, the clones were just better skilled even without bad weapons, stormtroopers can’t aim
@@benalkozan8468 Actually Stormtroopers are very precise. It's just that the main characters have plot armor.
And I'm just saying, while Stormtroopers are just normal recruits (though most of the ones on the Death Star were 501st veterans but Luke killed them all), they are more likely to kill a whole battalion of clones simply because they have better weapons and better armor. Also don't forget that the Empire has more experienced generals than the clone army. That, along with the weapons, is the main reason the Empire could stop the Kamino Uprising.
Vetarlit Torf and also, I’m not talking about armor or weapons, I’m talking about just pure honor, loyalty, and skill, the clones in my opinion are just more desirable. If the clones had the same weapons and armor at the time, they would be at the same level or more than stormtroopers. But I do see your point that yes, they were probably more powerful because of budget and weapons.
“Though the 501st itself remained pure. The rest of the imperial army gradually became more and more diverse. We never really got used to the new guys”
Diversity is the empire's strength?
@@scutumfidelis1436 heh. It never ever is. No matter what radicals in star wars or real life says.
Scutum Fidelis That was why the empire failed the cost of different uniform sizes crippled their resources
James Salvatore yeah, fuck those gosh dang ethnic folk
StormtrooperGamer classic 😎
Short Answer: The Clones actually hit their target so they were replaced with Stormtroopers.
Troopers that were made with better aim was "too expensive" so they got the stormtroopers with worse aim
they just had the high ground
True 😳
They still shoot better than rebel scum.
"ah shit to they're too good"
imagine thinking a being bred and raised for war isnt as naturally gifted at killing as you
Right
bred and raised for war and happens to be related to Jango Fett... a clone of him
Probably the same people whose families came from immigrants and think immigrants stink lol
Funny. Diversity was a weakness of the Stormtroopers. The Clones were strong in their unity of culture.
The average person, even most Jedi, saw the clones as basically meat droids. It's arrogant and ignorant, sure, but when is prejudice ever rational?
Kaminoans: “sure we’ll make a clone army that will turn against the Jedi.”
Kaminoans after the empire takes over:
“We’re going to do what’s called a pro gamer move.”
There is a way it could of worked
Pain Station it could have. Or maybe if the kaminoans weren’t money hungry in the first place they wouldn’t have made a chip to turn on their Jedi generals
They failed but i wish they could do it again secretly...
REVnOxC - same. The clone wars was really good.
*Kaminoans do an oopsie instead*
"Officially there never was a clone rebellion on Kamino."
ILLUSION 100
*Officially* ;)
Sounds like imperial propaganda to me
"Unoficially,aproximately 20 years after we were created, a special detachment of the Imperial 501st legion was dispatched to kamino"
Loved this game and the narration for this was awesome
The clone troopers killed more Jedi than the storm troopers did
Obviously, they got the entire old Jedi Order, while Stormtroopers just fought rebels and little more. But yes, they couldn't handle the Jedi Order if it's not by overwhelming them as cannon fodder.
Luis Martinez the clones were seen as a ally. The storm are seen as a enemy to the jedi
Statistics!
Because they backstabbed them.
@@herschelschueler only way you can reliably kill jedi. If you attack openly you get deflected on lol
Palpatine should have kept the clones, the Empire might have been able to defeat the Rebellion.
He should have put his resources into better TIE fighters and into those Dark Troopers.
Amadeus Are you talking about purge troopers?
@@dwafflebro2926 They were the cyborg guys in that old video game, they had phrick armour and just one of them destroyed a base all by himself.
Most definitely they have great teamwork and could actual land a shot 😂
Lot of things he could have done if he was not so paranoid like give the sun troopers actual equal training to the Inquisitors or Vader keeping the clones better tie fighters reactivate the battle droids and add them to his ranks making it so he has droids and clones as one army
Clones: Literally kill their own flesh and blood out of loyalty.
Palpatine: Clones are too susceptible to corruption...
Hmm maybe his own ultimate corruption made him think... you know what I'm scared of myself or someone just like me...
I'm one scary mot.therf..uckr
and the film clip showed that. A slight alteration of the clone DNA turned them against the empire.
@@haakonsteinsvaag In no way were existing storm troopers "corrupted". That alteration was done before new ones were made.
@@kewaruchavendi4706 it still show how easy new clone storm troopers could be turned against the empire.
@@haakonsteinsvaag Thats not called corruption.
The Empire: Hires a walking, breathing container of Jango Fett's DNA to lead the assault to reclaim Jango Fett's DNA.
@Sari Çizmeli Mehmet Ağa Cloning becomes increasingly ineffective and kind of like inbreeding if you use a clone's DNA to make more clones. That's why they can't just take a sample of Jango's DNA, say "lolbye" and use the clones to make more clones.
@Sari Çizmeli Mehmet Ağa But Boba's a clone, too. Unaltered or not, he's still a clone, so that doesn't work, unfortunately.
Well...technically they did try to clone Boba, But he killed the empire scientist who did it because he like the video above said didn't want to ruin his fathers legacy. Having large army of bobas instead of jangos would of lessen his fathers impact on the galaxy. also Cloneing a clone would of made their Dna a lot weaker to attacks with biological weapons
That’s exactly what I thought, any one of those original clone troopers could’ve been used as the base dna, as they quite literally were
Big brain time
They should have kept the clones...
They actually hit their targets (most of the time)
Clones never experienced plot armor
@@morecopemorerope4372 yep
Well except that one time with Grievous
Kickers and Stickers in oozes the game
Stormtroopers are actually good soldiers but just can’t hit main characters
Crusader i think why they didnt hit them is because they were ordered to. I dont know tho
Clonetroopers hit rate average: 40%
Human stormtroopers hit rate average: 2.08%
It is way bigger than 2%. They just can’t kill the protagonist someone had to live
@@liguow 40% hit rate is actually really good for an average
Slappy Theclown is that true
@@liguow
Lol. They're not human. They're humanoid...
Remember? Glaxy far far away...
They're humanoid aliens.
Benjamin Robledo oh
“After the conclusion of the Clone Wars the 501st was put under the command of Lord Vader.”
The 501st was always under Vader aka Anakin Skywalker. It was his unit that he led during the Clone Wars.
The 501st become Vader's fist
Abram Sullivan Vader’s fist was a nickname given to the 501st post clone wars. I was saying clearly debating the idea that the 501st was put under the command of Vader post Clone Wars. Which isn’t true. The 501st was always under Anakins charge and command.
Wrong, the 501st was anakin's legion. When Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker, the emperor gave Vader the control of the 501st.
Maestrofeli no.... As we see with the Return of the Jedi, Anakin repents so to speak by throwing the Emperor to his death and thus Anakin as returned. So a change of name doesn’t mean a change of being so to speak. The 501st was always lead by the same being whether with the name of Skywalker or Vader. Now if you go with Obi-WANs thinking that Anakin ceased to be when he became Vader then you’re going to have a hard time with the Return of the Jedi when Anakin returns not just as a repentant Vader but also obviously when he dies and it’s Anakins spirit (Force ghost) that shows up next to Obi-Wan and Yoda. So Obi-Wan was actually wrong. He didn’t believe that Vader aka Anakin could be turned back. So thusly Obi-WANs idea that Anakin was fully dead was also not true.
They have always been with anakin
6:40 LOL, the rifle barrel is literally just a piece of metal tubing with no opening for a projectile... I love these old Star Wars films.
Its actually the modified stock off the ADF's current in service LMG
star wars started as a low budget movie, thats probably why
@@Carl61922 English, please.
@@Patrick2345454 How is that not English 😂
@@kanemn9470 It's an expression that requests a simpler version of what they said, often used when dealing with the English derivatives legalese and politicalese.
This was a mission in the original Battle Front 2
Cyniceer if only my old ps2 still worked
That mission was difficult lol
@@xdanulicious4275 get it on pc can even play online with the rest of us!
@@xdanulicious4275 Buy it on steam
Finn 13B FFA on Tatooine is where it’s at aha
Natural born stormtrooper: you clones are too soft.
Captain Rex: am I a joke to you?
He’s not a joke. He’s a capitan. Bad joke i know
Rex, Cody, Hardcase, Waxer, Hevy, Gregor, Wolffe, _especially_ Fives... Every one of them was superior to even the best Stormtrooper.
Kyle Katarn doesn't count, he's a Force sensitive.
@@Lord_Numpty They were legends
@@TheOne-Aslan The Clone Wars is canon.
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz What I meant was they were legends, like they are legendary.
There is no way Kaminoans didnt put some kind of fail-safe in original clones to prevent them from turning against their creators.
Palpatine grew plenty of others in secrecy during the clone wars. *the novels
The advanced aging was the fail safe.
@@alphadragon6392 but those are inferiors
@@gabriels9919 but in the( now discarded EU)novels and short stories Palpatine began using Spaarti cloning equipment, in lieu of Kaminoan cloning technology, because the Spaarti process was able to grow clones to maturity in significantly less time than the kaminoan process, less than 1 year if i remember correctly(versus the 10 years it took to grow a kamino clone)
No matter the kaminoan clones being better quality than the Spaarti bred clones they would easily be vastly outnumbered by the Spaarti clones.
Part of the stated reason for Palpatine using the quicker but inferior Spaarti process was he didn't trust the kaminoans.
At all
@@shooter7734 and he was right to think that. also the clones had to rely on the natural born guys to hold the line and counter attack untill they got there anyway.
This is literally just a longer, more detailed version of the Battlefront 2 game
@The Mandalorian he mean the original game not ea shit
Stormbringer, is that you?
15
Tell me sick.
But I want an order 66 mode on battlefront II
Humo Gato fr! they just skipped over the clone wars the best age and the only reason I play that game but not anymore
1:37 he said twenty years after “WE” were created. He’s been a clone trooper in disguise this whole time
John Woods nice theory
Because he literally read that entire section from the script of the Batllefront II campaign
John Woods you posted stuff that’s in battlefront.... you that desperate for likes as ur life is irrelevant prick
Actually I’ve never played or done anything related to battlefront assholes
@@bonesawarm6987 wtf is ur problem
*Natural born Stormtroopers are more difficult to corrupt
Fin: Am I a joke to you?
But he was one guy. Besides, Darth Sidious himself had "corrupted" the clones and likely realized how easy it would be for something like that to happen to him. Add into that that the clones actually did seem to have developed something of a culture all their own in a way the Stormtroopers never did. They were not just loyal to the Republic, but to their brothers. It's part of why you had clones like Fives and Rex.
"These are not the droids you're looking for" their minds are weak, I don't think most clones would fall to mind tricks
Yes, yes he is.
Finn along with other 1st order storm troopers joined unwilling when they were kidnapped as babys those idiots joined willingly
Yes as a matter of fact, all of the Disney characters are jokes.
Can we all just agree: the clones are among the best characters in Star Wars
No
Yes
As i am watching The Clone Wars they are flesh out to the point i cant believe they betrayed the jedi
Yes. I thoroughly enjoyed the Republic Commando series of novels.
Not at all. Soldiers that literally just betray their leaders with a chip. Order 66 made it seem like the whole clone war was nothing more than a filler saga.
The empire: gets rid of clones because Jango DNA is unreliable
Also the Empire: puts a Jango clone as the commander
is called veterancy ur little brain
they surely pick up an elder experience clone istead of the new one wich were start lose their might
Damian Rivoli it’s called a joke fun wun
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry learn how to fucking type
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry you must be fun at parties
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry ✨ sarcasm ✨
I honestly wish the Kaminoans had succeeded. Would’ve been neat to see Fett even turn sides. I can dream.
Would be nice to see a new mandalorian empire rise
Eastwood007x I wonder if that would of stopped me from meeting my father..
Deenie Beenie yeah boba Fett being a good guy would suck hard
Honestly I think if this was cannon and the anticlones became a dominant force then the starwars universe would have been so much more interesting. I've always had trouble liking the rebels just because they were so unlikeable. If they were phase 1 clones then that would have been dope.
If the pay was right....
Kamino revolts
Empire: I used the clones to destroy the clones
This was the original Clone Wars
@@prajjwoltimilsina3093 it's not that the title was wrong, the movie being shown was wrong lol
I can't believe that the Empire didn't offer up a cushy retirement to any natural born Storm Trooper that displayed some amazing talent for strategy, loyalty or combat, for their willingness to offer up their DNA for soldiers cloned by the Empire
Consider this: some of our favorite 501st clones like Jesse and Dogma all went back to Kamino to kill their brothers and and destroy their homeworld.
Tup died before Jedi purge and Dogma was most likely executed for killing Pong Krell
@@chebster6378 yeah i just remembered that and fixed it
This all makes me sad...
Jesse was placed in stasis before 66 ever happened.
Melral CT-3718 I don’t think Dogma was executed for killing a traitor.
Phase 1 clones vs stormtroopers was always one of the coolest missions in Battlefront 2.
I zoned out for 7 minutes
Now I don’t know what he’s talking about
Same im high asf too
I didn't even make 5 minutes. His voice just droned on and on... "Zzzzzz... Kamino... Zzzz... Kaminoans.... Zzzzzz...."
Cause this dude's content is trash click bait
Ahahhahaha mee too
Okay but this nigga called boba fett a clone of jango fett at 5:18
I'm gonna agree with the "trash click bait" diagnosis here
The old LucasArts SWBF2 mission where you fight the clones on Kamino as the clone Stormtrooper was one of my favorites, it was a heavy moment
Human storm troopers would get slaughtered by clone troopers
Ya I think they would get destroyed
except they didnt, the rebellion on kamino was easily destroyed by the empire
@@viscera9579 By clones...
@@viscera9579 It was clone trooper vs clonetrooper one side just had real experience
rage i know, but still, all the clones were eradicated in the end by the galactic empire and were replaced by only humans
"Stormtrooper believed clonetroopers were not as skilled"
*Ironic*
*Ironic*
"Unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way."
Stormtroopers have a vastly higher hit rate that real soldiers. They only miss when told too.
@@cannedbollocks Well clones are cloned of one of the best bounty hunters which I remind you is a mandalorian. As George Lucas stated that Clones were better in fighting but Stormtroopers have might in numbers. Also clones were bred to fight and stormtroopers are just normal people but they cost less.
Technically not true since they make them aim so they wouldn't hit the main characters
Anyone else remember this mission in the Original Battlefront 2??
Yes, I do. I’m glad I got some context on it. Instant action with reinforcements set to 700% was my favorite
Yeah I was wondering if that was a bf2 original or if that was based on eu stories
When it comes to the clone troopers, I have a love/hate relationship with them. I love them as the Rebel army and I hate the fact that their existence was essentially all a Sith ploy to execute the Jedi Order from within. I know it's not the clones' fault and I love that some got free of the chip and escaped the horrors of Order 66, it's just that the whole thing is insanely tragic, yet so beautifully concocted. Even though this post-66 was a big mess to my ears.
PS2 Star wars battlefront II 501st Journal: Changing of the Guard...
This mission and the mission of a geonosian reactivating a droid army were always interesting since you can't get the empire to ever fight those two groups in any other mission.
This is canon, and the Rat has no say in this.
Lmao, "the rat." If only I were in a position where I were comfortable laughing.
totally agree 😂😂
"The Rat" this made me chuckle too hard.
Jakob Chance thanks for making me laugh at 5 in the morning always good to start the day with some laughter thank you good sir have a good day/night
@@PokeBorkus im glad i could bring you some joy!
Clones *>>>* Stormtroopers
Not even a contest.
100%
I grew up on the prequels, so I have a huge soft spot for the first gen clones. They pretty much immediately became my favorite characters. I swear I felt a faint pain in my chest when Palpatine did what he did. I know they were designed to do that from the start, but I hate that my favorite characters were used as pawns for evil purposes, and then to make matters worse their weapons and armor went through some serious downgrading.
Clones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stormtroopers
Like you mentioned, I remember playing this mission in the original Star Wars Battlefront 2 as a kid on my Playstation 2. Going to Kamino as the 501st to destroy the facility... What memories. By far, one of the most intense and emotional levels of ANY game I've ever played.
Which side did you play on?
Imagine if the Rebellion got their hands on Kamino and Jango clones, dang 😎👍
or even like a single jango clone, that would make an interesting story :D
Would've been over before Luke got to do anything
Awe yes make another slave army that with awful moral repercussions that would only make the rebellion just as a bad the republic.
Rex fought for the rebellion at endor.
FelixLuna they were already just as bad anyway
They should have made Fin a old clone who had been in cryosleep for 80 years or somthing, he whould have been much greater of a character honestly
Rey!! Reyy!!!!! Reyyyyyy!!!
Then the jango fett actor would replace john boyega cuz john doesent look like a clone
Finn as a main character would have made the done sequel trilogy more compelling.
@@drewmoeller7838 true! ive never thought of that
You mean switch Finn with Kix?
Title should have the keyword "Legends" included. This is from the 2005 Star Wars Battlefront 2.
also from Raid: Shadow Legends
@Nick Gurrepisode 4 is 20 years after episode 3, all the clones were old by that point, in canon clones were mostly phased out after 8 months, in legends it took at least 5 years
Nick Gurr I think the canon answer is that they were phased out because regular people were cheaper, and could fill tanks faster
Evan Flatequal Well it’s better than any explanation Disney is gonna give us.
@@williamwebb580 I liked legends better anyway to but the video title should have that distinction. I clicked on this video assuming it was canon but it was something I already saw in the game.
The bounty hunter left after the battle was over, he said something about tracking down a smuggler on Tatooine. After the Kamino uprising, the emperor decided that an army of genetically identical soldiers, was too subsetable to corruption. Future troopers would be cloned from a variety of templates. Though the 501st itself remained pure, the rest of the imperial army gradually became more and more diverse. We never really got used to the new guys. - 501st Clone Trooper Surviver
the average clone would take out 20 droids before dying and that was for an average, run of the mill, no frills infantry clone. Commander Cody’s kill count is literally a few hundred shy of 8000 in canon. You can’t possibly convince me that the shitty, genetically inferior, conscripted soldiers are going to somehow beat that? I reserve the right to call bullshit.
@@kameronmcbride4903 Droids didnt have plot armor
Darn, hold your horses will ya?
@@Centurio_1 and the Jedi have plot armour, the clones still killed them
@@stonksagent9040 Till their plot armor expired, then the Clones killed them.
I like Clones more either way, they fought hard because they had their brothers beside them, they never quit, they will avenge their fallen brothers.
While Stormtroopers are just a bunch of ragtag recruits, you rarely see them go all out (in Rebels for example they're more expendable than Clones were, granted plot armor and all that, but even when you see them at war they'll just fail at anything they try)
@@DarkDyllon the clones are amazing
Makes sense. The clones could actually hit their targets.
Really funny man, not like every single Star Wars fan is like "Lol ur aim sucks u got killed by teddybers XDDD"
Shoretrooper ST 3202 I mean clones are bettwr in every way anywhere literally bred for war better in skill combat and yes accuracy stormtroopers were quantity over quality
@Flying Thrill stormtroopers are equal to clone troopers
@@flyingthrills4440 Explain all those dead Rebels except for the main characters then
Actually, BattleFront 2 says that "StormTroopers hit 77% of the time".
I remember it, on a mision on Star wars battlefront 2 you go to kamino and kill them all and they had really powerful wepons like heavy machineguns each won and the last part of the mision you retrive the sample of jango and take it to a ship waiting outside of the clon center ah and you kill the kamino that are escaping
Where do I find this
@@vitrasi3002 playstation 2
@@vitrasi3002 I'm a month late but its also on steam
It’s crazy that he didn’t source the video game since
@@tungsten8290 So it's the ORIGINAL Battlefront 2 that we're talking about? They really didn't make that clear in the video.
Clone:*takes 5 blaster shots
Storntrooper:*gets hit by a pebble and dies
Vader has the 501st bc when he was anakin that was his legion
Yes...
And his identity as Vader is supposed to be a secret but it is known that the 501st attacked the Temple and that after that Vader joined them as a leader.
I'm pretty sure wild theories about Vader being Anakin must have been uttered in the lower levels of Coruscant.
Clones: Born killers with superior training and equipment.
Storm troopers: Idk. Reservists or something.
Would love a 'what if' series, if Sidous kept the Clones and integrated the Separatist's Droid tech into the ranks.
The older clones would be resentful and angry if they had to fight alongside the droids that killed their brothers
@@rafaeltiburcio6624
I could see the 501st still being comprised of pure clones, especially the older ones, as Vader doesn't like them as much as I recall.
@@Battleguild yeah fair enough but separarist droids are also expensive to mass produce so they might only use the best droids like a few commando droids or assassin droids
@@rafaeltiburcio6624
The Droids would be great for the dull, dangerous, and dirty work.
Well they did in the Legends canon. Dwarf spider droids were used as "hound dogs" by the Stormtrooper Corps often being used at checkpoints and Imperial garrisons.
This should be in season 7 of the clone wars
Gamer Master season 7 is cannon this is legends
@@bne269
Legends is more cannon than Disney ever will.
February 3rd
this has nothing to do with the clone wars
@O M yeah after the second movie. i think the series end 2 fights before revenge of the sith
Me listening to this.. “this is literally a mission in battlefront 2”
@Evan Doliszny The original.
Evan Doliszny the og
@@jacobparrish40 the original Battlefront 2
Sorry replied to wrong person
Hell yes, just realized this as well. Good times.
Ahh yes, this is what I’ll learn about instead of trigonometry today
A lot of Kaminoans gave their lives for this information.
*"Original, good Battlefront 2 flashbacks intensified"*
Ahh the original Battle front 2 the greatest star wars game in my opinion
@@thinkingboi9508 It is now, at launch it was a fucking mess.
@@jellyfamilyfriendly4891 yeah it was free on the epic games store until the 21st. a lot of new players realizing how amazing the game was after about 2 years of content updates and bug fixes
3:30
"Composed entirely of jet troopers"
THEY FLY NOW??
Hero's Shade I understand that reference.
THEY FLY NOW
It’s like “yeah Finn...they fly now. But you should’ve known that since YOU WERE A STORMTROOPER” 🙄
It's Ted Jet troopers must’ve been a rarely used unit.
If I remember correctly from the "Republic Commando" novels, the clones had a a short life span and would die of old age around 20 years, if not sooner (assuming, of course, they weren't killed in combat somewhere)...? Also assuming that I'm not senile and "misremembering" what was a really great read, could this life-span issue have been one of the factors that motivated the Emperor to turn to natural-born soldiers?
Makes sense. If they kick it at 20, that’s 2-3 years of combat. And that’s assuming they just up and die like right away, and don’t tie up the sick bay.
One of my major gripes with Star Wars was that they always made them simple cannon fodder regardless. Even the droids, the clones, the stormtroopers etc... based on their overall descriptions I feel like the story would be much better of they were all competent threats that posed a legit danger. Instead its a roller coaster of inconsistencies with their performances
Same is true of any massed ranks, they are painted as heavy threats but at the same time entirely expendable. The inconsistency is mirrored in real life but certainly heightened in movies, and it also happens with primary villains. One moment they are an unstoppable killing machine, never miss a shot and could get 100% headshots with a pistol, in a sandstorm, firing into a 200mph headwind, while blindfolded, next minute they couldn't hit the flank of a blue whale while it was beached and a single centimetre from their face. Star Wars wasn't the first to do it and certainly won't be the last.
@@benmarshall2440True. But still, it’s annoying when Rebels can take down a star destroyer with a pistol, when in a prior scene, that same star destroyer was slugging it out with a rebel capital ship with full on broadsides, and vaporizes it. It’s lazy writing.
“Ah yes the clones are to susceptible to corruption, lets solve this problem by making more clones from different genetic templates, that makes perfect sense.”
Actually, using different genetic templates and genetic manipulation is exactly how you avoid that
I mean, it helps to prevent GENETIC corruption, yeah. But I’m thinking about other factors that I feel not many people are talking about. It has been heavily implied, not quite directly stated, that the clones legit had their own culture. They considered themselves all to be brothers, because, genetics-wise, they were, as well as brothers-at-arms. They were also specifically bred to be loyal and follow orders, and the inhibitor chips they had reinforced that. What I’m getting at is, this breeding for loyalty, and using the one genetic source, might create this kind of twin culture. Twins who can be so different from each other, even though they look alike and were raised similarly, so they are inseparable. In the Clone Wars, under the Jedi, it seems to me that, just like twins, they definitely staked their individuality, while also being connected by their brotherhood. I think that this culture combination made them a great asset to the Republic in that way, so they made a great army, and yet were allowed to think outside the box enough to be deadly in unfamiliar situations. Then Order 66 happens. It turns that almost fanatic loyalty towards their brethren and towards any ideals they might have developed under the Jedi and the Republic into loyalty only to the Empire. This is where my point comes in. An entire army made from one genetic source? It reinforces that fanatic loyalty type culture because they are the same, and I would say it makes them easier to control. Diversity would make the army harder to control, I think. So I’m still a little confused by why literal clones, your own sheeple army, would be inferior to diverse clones.
To argue for genetic materials’ sake, yeah, you’d have to introduce new genetic material to avoid more physically corrupted results as time goes on. But I see that affecting the culture too. “Jango Fett” clones would still probably think themselves superior to everyone else, and “Mr. Star Wars John Doe” clones would want to prove themselves or think they’re superior to other “genetic factions” of clones, etc. They could all be fanatically loyal to the Empire, but be alienated from each other as factions. I’m not sure how that would play out. It could be good for the Emperor, for the clone factions to be falling over themselves to please him, or it could be totally detrimental to the army as a whole because the factions might not work together well. But then again, it’s the “us versus them” mentality. Against the other clone factions, or against the the Rebels as a whole. So maybe they could work together better than I think.
I think a single genetic source troop would be easiest to control, (especially with the chip) even though it could not be sustained. So I guess I have to ask....what type of corruption are we talking about? Genetic corruption, absolutely. Environmental propaganda corruption? Also yes, but that is swayed to the Empire’s favor. What kind of corruption was the Emperor afraid of here?
And the 501st is a lovely case. I think it would normally be hard for the clones to turn on each other too much because of the feeling of brotherhood and what they have had to sacrifice together. But once the chips activated, they could totally turn on each other because the loyalty to the Empire trumps that, I guess. But the 501st Legion is special. They are veterans, they served under Anakin, and learned all sorts of things from him, and now serve Vader. They seem to have the unique situation of serving under a familiar commander, with their own little brotherhood. They get to be fanatically loyal to both the Empire and the commander they’ve always had, with no significant change in their ranks. They become one of the most feared tools of the Empire because they hit the sweet spot of the army: manufactured and real loyalty plus experience. I think their example might convince me that clones work out just fine.
I don’t know, other than the physical corruption, I don’t see the Jango Fett’s blood sample as the main problem. I think the main problem for the Empire was that the “Anti-Troopers” were raised under a different propaganda. So I guess....they are easily corrupted through propaganda? But I still don’t know if a more diverse army would be better. It might spur more creative thinking, perhaps, or perhaps the “twins” would do that anyway to out-compete each other. Does this make any sense?
@@lukeharman7054 they can still corrupt those templates as well
@@blueserenbippity7066yeah, I agree with all of your points and sentiments…and questions. I’d only add that it might be desirable to have that gold copy of Jango to eliminate, and maybe isolate, any clandestine genetic engineering of Jango’s genome. Some agents may have been able to steal some Jango templates, tamper with the DNA, or whatever, to engineer some trait that eventually may be some liability for the Empire, and then slip the template back into specific batches on the assembly line.
That thumbnail with thw stormtrooper makes me sad as the first order stormtrooper are just a bunch of brainwashed people. Great video
The original Battlefront II was legendary. It was one of the best missions in the game, though I loved doing Order 66. Marching into the Temple with Vader, and then seeing those jedi coming at you, only to get the fatal shot on them right before they behead you was exhilarating.
Maybe if Palpatine kept the clones true empire could beat a couple of Ewoks
That with Ewoks is one of the stupidest thing in movie history. Some tribe of little bears defeated one big and super advanced army of super soldiers. 👏👏👏👏BRAVO!!!
@@vencislavgynev8282 The Ewoks attacked small isolated groups, using ambush tactics and the advantage of being camouflaged and being capable of moving amongst the canopy in their attacks. The stormtroopers were in an unfamiliar place, with white armour.
Ewoks are Vietnamese
Vencislav Gynev a
Guerrilla tactics have a history of being incredibly hard to combat by regular troops.
I don't think the Clone Troopers would have made fools of themselves against the Jawas like the Stormtroopers did. The 1st Order Troopers were an absolute joke when they came around.
Actually they should be stronger
"They can fly now?"
Jak Torlin they can fly now
God that line is so dumb
John Doe agreed
They keep changing characters & that nothing was wrong with them the knew story is coming I can fill it !!! In the force ( palpatine movie) sith alkame (James Franco myte get the job back he was going to play him in the the tyrannical "tyrant" cameos episode 9 he was passionate about the roll until right after the model shoot's for the Books Tarken and Darth palegouse the wise the scandal begain...... I digress I agree with you the remix is real
@@i-thalhawkins9813 what
There was a moment where some Purge Troopers following the Inquisitors who were hunting a Jedi. The Purge Troopers were former clones and the Jedi used a mind trick into executing Order 66 against the Inquisitors since they were former Jedi, the Purge Troopers started blasting at the Inquisitors.
Probably another reason why they replaced Clones with Stormtroopers
Unlike stormtroopers, the clones could actually hit there targets.
Proof?
Also it's spelled "their" in this context
Spartan War118 bro stop being a grammar nazi, in reality no one cares what “theyre, there, their” people use people like you should not be allowed to comment on peoples posts.
Stormtroopers could hit quite well, remember Hoth or the Tantive? They just were either ordered to miss or the heroes needed plot armor. I don't think anyone would enjoy seeing the main protagonist of the movie die 20 minutes in.
The main characters have plot force
@@jacobmarsh3781 he corrected one word
Legit the whole time I was like wait a minute. Isn’t this from the original battlefront 2...?
I could be studying for real history but I'm watching this
I don't know about you but I was doing this too and ended up failing? How did you do random person on the, internet?
4:36 Vader thinks he is so cool and slick, we know that door opens on its own.
Lol
Yeah, his ipad swipe…thought same thing
“We never really got used to the new guys” bruh love battlefront 2
The stormtroopers were terrible. They couldn’t shoot and they got beat up by Ewoks. 😂
Funny thing is the primitive tech beats modern tech actually happens IRL.
Battleship009 When.
@@vryyyx Let's see the battle before Rorke's Drift, First Gen jets vs prop planes in Vietnam, the conquistadors when they invaded the Americas where cotton armor was better than the plate armor used by the conquistadors the Philippine-American War etc. for more info see Rock Beats Laser on Tv Tropes.
sc0rch not all the time but he’s not wrong it happens more than you think. Think about star wars effects in the original trilogy and how they mostly still hold up today, vs a movie w cgi and effects in maybe 2005
Alton Williams it’s the helmet - rex
I think it's funny how the movies show the imperial troopers as incompetent shooters, but the other media depicts the as an unstoppable Force
they arent incompetent they just cannot hit the characters
watch how in star wars new hope the stormtroopers mowed down all the rebel soldiers and got little loses even for being attacker vs enemy with cover and defense
Have you seen rouge one boi?
I now know the story behind this mission I did over and over again on my father ps2 as a kid very interesting video well explained thank you for this amazing story may the force be with you
I love you brothers❤️ thanks for serving the Republic. May we fight another day!
I’d really like to see the Stormtroopers in actions when they’re still using clones. Hopefully the bad batch sheds some life on what it was like
Cody's thoughts about the Stormtrooper initiative: "Man I wish Rex was still here..."
I remember learning a lot of this on OG Battlefront 2. One of my favorite missions on it. Great video man! 👍
Stormtroppers couldn’t hit anything. Clones were better
Only main characters.
Plot armor
@Luis Martinez also background rebels, jawas, Luke's aunt and uncle died to....... Wait Stormtroopers.........
@Luis Martinez droids could shoot.
Stormtroopers couldn't hit a target the size of a freaking star destroyer.
Everytime we saw stormtroopers do stuff in the original films it was largely the 501st. Vaders assault on hoth, his defense of the death star, his attack on leias ship etc.
All 501st. = clones.
What about the fact that they easly killed the rebels in the beggining of a new hope
StarWars Battlefront 2 Classic by Pandemic made a mission based on this scenario. One of my favourite maps back on PS2 console where coop is possible where one player is BobaFett and the other is EITHER
Legendary class that can switch roles in different intervals of the mission.
Rise of the empire campaign was the best.
Best campaign ever, hands down
The biggest problems with clones is how often you would have to replace them. Their aging means that the clone war veterans would have been replaced several times over with untested clones with no combat experience by the time the rebellion had come around. The old clones like Rex would be fine in short combat situations as seen in the cartoons. However, real combat can stretch out into a multi-day or week fire and maneuver scenario. Old man Rex would have been out of steam by the end of the first day let alone several days of doing that. He could never run the fields of Geonosis in full gear like he did when he was first put into action or newer clones. Hence he would be "retired" with a VERY small portion sent to Kamino to server as trainers.
The clones biggest advantage was their combat experience. This is noted by huge combat losses they sustained in their first year during the Clone Wars despite having some of the best combat experienced instructors in the galaxy. Of course plot armor also explains a lot of the Rebellion's successes so we won't discuss that.
OH Hell, now I understood the Special Battle in the original Battelfront 2, where you can fight with "diffent looking" Clones against Stormtroopers... now everything makes sense.. Nice Video
Star Wars: *picture of big book
Star Wars if clone troopers weren’t replaced with stormtroopers: *picture of small book
Because the rebels wouldnt stand a chance?
In the movies, they said because of the death of Jango Fett who is the template for the clones, since he died, the cloners had to stretch his DNA to create more clones, so the clones go worse and worse.
And the clones actually had emotion so they would regret order 66 for the rest of their lives
Me: Is he really not gonna use footage or even mention Battlefront II? This mission was by far one of the most noteworthy and incredible
TSW: Mentions it
I thought so
Wow, I remember playing through this mission on Star Wars Battlefront 2 on the PS2. Forgot about it until now.
"We never really got used to the new guys."
clone troopers upgrade to stormtroopers has completed. Accuracy decreased, plot armour removed
Health decreased. They always get one shotted
I think he just wanted stormtroopers....he also re-invented the german machine gun thats only used in pakistan still and put laser energy in it to make it cary more anumition and re-invented AT tanks or mines from germany into AT-AT,AT-ST And AT-PT because legs and Lasorsss were more effectife then tanks that use more gasoline then youre truck in 10 years same as the germans made the anti air tower that was undefeateble and the huge number of bunkers that could wistand bombs from outside, for this mistake he made the tower float in space and into a complete base and combined it with the huge train canon from hitler. (Since legend says the nazi went to the moon he made it look like a moon)bye learning from the past from earth he went back in time to re-invent time and perfect it into the first Galactic empire
Clones: kills almost all of the Jedi
Stormtroopers: can't kill a teenager
@@Blobby192 Though all other Jedi before order 66 they could sense most of the dangers and even after that some Jesus could still sense the danger.
So the Jedi should have blocked the bullets with the saber
2005 Battlefront 2, aaaaalways wanted to play as the clones. Coolest class, hands down! Coolest catchphrases and voice acting and best weapons.