I actually really like Magneto's speech in last stand where someone points out that no one is talking about extermination, and his response is "no one ever talks about it. They just do it." That line, coming from him, is perfect.
@@TheEvilCheesecake the scene where Magneto lifts the golden gate bridge is still awesome. Also Kelsey Grammar as Beast is the perfect casting choice! I was so excited when he showed up in the marvels. He nailed it!
@@AliasAerius I wouldn’t be mad if they never touched upon it at all Do what X-Men Evolution did and make Jean a decent character and give all the darkness and story to Rogue
I didn't see the 2nd one, but _The Last Stand_ was particularly bizarre. "Do you think that this story that ran for years in the comics will be OK for one movie?" "Nah, we'd better cram another beloved story in the movie with it!"
I like the fight/race between Kitty Pryde and Juggernaut, because I love a wildly-mismatched powers fight, and that's one of the first ones I remember seeing.
@@intergalactic92Kitty may have started as an underdog, but sh’s leveled up in the comics. The mutants are being genocided…again, and a group of ten commandos had Kitty cornered, laughing about what they were gonna do to her… …and she MURDERED them all in about thirty seconds. Turns out that, being able to phase objects into people has some horrifying implications. (but they had it coming!)
I really like The Wolverine, as an Asian who actually grew up and lives in Asia, it was a breath of fresh air that Hollywood made a movie set in Asia so authentic and genuine back in 2013, and I think it still holds up even now
I still think they should have had Hiroyuki Sanada in the Silver Samurai suit. The real one, not that cgi monstrosity. That would have changed everything about this film.
@@hughheavens3753it wouldn’t have changed much. You technology haters act like one piece of cgi ruins a whole movie, when at worst it just means something looks bad
@@hughheavens3753 i think so too, but SS is supposed to be a mutant too, so maybe they didn’t want the complications, although it WOULD fit that bad guys ’obsession’ with mutants.
It's like the acting version of saying "If you ever feel like a failure as a writer, remember that somebody got paid to write: 'Somehow, Palpatine returned'."
@@SaiyanHeretic Honestly... Imagine being the writers of episode 9. Every single plot thread and character arc was *destroyed* in episode 8. No villain, and no compelling characters to work with. And then you are told "make it Palpatine." it's no wonder someone went **shrug**, had the biggest sigh, sat down at their keyboard, and wrote "Somehow, Palpatine returned..."
So I learned from this video that there’s apparently like three Psylockes that are literally just women with purple streaks in their hair running around this universe. To be fair though, that’s barely more Psylockes than the comics.
It's just a movie. So what, they had a character recast it's not that big of a deal. "But the characters NEED to break the fourth wall and say something about that recast character or I can't sleep!!! Hey guys, doesn't psylocke look different to anyone lolol haha. When did Psylocke get the new look? lolol hahah"
@@Zombiesnyder13 Disney keeps it family friendly. Which isn’t a bad thing, it lets more people see it. And for the record, Disney is obviously producing Deadpool and Wolverine
I was rewatching the X-Men movies in prep for D&W and I was looking out for each of the F-bombs in these movies. I forgot when they dropped it in Dark Phoenix and when I finally got to Cyclops I straight up laughed out loud
You can be assured that EVERY prequel x-men movie with Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy has at least one scene of them acting their hearts out, they easily became two of my favorite actors becuz of this series because you could see they never phoned it in, whereas other famous actors in the series sometimes would. Fassbender especially had such great emotional/intense moments in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix
To be honest those two are the only reason I was able to finish dark phoenix, I tried to be optimistic but I can’t stand that movie, it made me legitimately angry with how Mystique was done, she trash talks the x-men name, when she helped come up with it, she says that the team is taking too big risks, when she advocated for the team to be like soldiers in apocalypse, and soldiers take risks, and then she says the guys do nothing, when nightcrawler risked his life to safe Jean from space in the previous scene, like they really had her take a full 180 and then they killed her off, but I stuck through it because of those two men, I have my issues with these movies but dark phoenix ruined any enjoyment for me with Mystiques lack of character continuity
I wish the whole FoX-Men franchise knew this. It took Disney's X-Men 97 for the current audience to realise that the X-Men isn't just the Wolverine show
@@itspienoon7883Um in X3 you actually do seem them team up. Funny how everyone seems to forget that the beginning of Days is just a continuation of how they were in X3.
I'm doing a timeline binge of all thr X men movies. Logan loses his memories in Origins, and still doesn't have them in X1 until he remembers the Japanese soldier in The Wolverine. Is tjere any point that he fully gets all his memories back? Or did he just remember part?
@@Pyraticalpunk By _The Wolverine_ he has all his memories back. Don't ask how or why, we don't know. Sometime in the 7 years between _The Last Stand_ and _The Wolverine_ his memories returned.
@@loganbigmowe know how, Charles managed to give him his memories again, it's implied in the movies and also Jean does it two times in two different timelines
@@juryantonelli Jean never restored his full memories in the original time and in the new timeline she specifically states she restored one memory, the only one she could access
@@loganbigmo yeah it was Xavier who restored his memories, as I said, but it's also shown that Jean can restore some memories two times, in X men and Apocalypse
One detail in X-Men: Apocalypse that I really appreciate is one of my favourite methods of visually showing massive amounts of power. Jean walking towards a ledge, passing over it and just keeping going. No fancy flying pose (until a few shots later anyway), just casually making the universe bend to what she's comfortable doing.
As a longtime resident of Japan, the things that stood out weren't the chemistry issues between Logan and Mariko. It was the location warping around Tokyo, Yukio driving from Tokyo to Nagasaki in a single night, and the orientalist portrayal of Japan.
I love Nando's positivity. From SheHulk to Origins Wolverine, he's always the voice of WANTING to enjoy this stuff. Being hard to please is overrated, Nando's got it figured out.
You left off the best little detail about X-Men: Apocalypse: it completely nailed the one song it had to get right with Metallica’s Four Horsemen during the Angel recruitment. I’m convinced this song is the only reason the movie is set in the 1980s.
Honestly I was still a kid when X-Men Origins Wolverine came out so I really didn't understand at the time what the big deal was about it, like at that age I wasn't very discerning about VFX quality or writing quality so it was still super cool to me at the time just to see Wolverine's origins in a movie or Gambit and Deadpool
It would be funny if Headpool in Deadpool and Wolverine is the decapitated head of Weapon XI/Barakapool from this movie. If you didn't know, a post credits scene revealed that he was still alive. Edit: Unfortunately, he wasn't. Huge missed opportunity for Ryan and Hugh to make fun of that version again.
Rewatching all these movies recently, origins biggest flaws are barakapool and the confusing motives of the wife, the rest is just your average action movies cheesy one liners, it’s not groundbreaking stuff, but it’s nowhere near deserving the hate bandwagon it’s had over the years, it’s just a silly comic book movie, and that’s all I need it to be
The extended cut of The Wolverine is the one I watched. It adds some neat character moments and extends the village fight scene to include 3 people getting blended by an industrial snowblower.
@@JohnDontBeRacist Mangold and Jackman both campaigned hard to get Logan made the way they wanted it, an R-rated Wolverine movie that the fans have been waiting for. Plus the success of Deadpool helped as well. Without Deadpool, we likely never would've gotten Logan
All actors are great at their job (hollywood is the top 1% of the top 1% so very competitive). All bad acting you see is bad directing. That being said Mark might be the one exception…
I would like to add that in Last Stand Storm getting to do more physical stuff like her spinning tornado/hurricane move was great and I remember as a kid watching the behind-the-scenes of Halle Berry doing that.
XMA - I genuinely think they did Apocalypse they way they did, human-sized with prosthetics, was because they didn't want him to look too much like Thanos. I remember watching this movie for the first time on vacation with my family. It was fun to watch a movie like this with people who had never seen X-Men cause even I who was caught up still didn't really know what was going on. lol. I enjoyed it for what it was but it fell apart on rewatches.
I’ve always said that in all fairness about the claws, in this movie they’re BRAND NEW HOT OFF THE PRESS adamantium so I thought it would’ve made sense if they looked less affected
30:34 - I read somewhere the original plan was to do a Phoenix movie to make you fall in love with Jean, and then Dark Phoenix to break your heart, but the studios nixed those plans and they had to compress two films’ storylines into one.
They made Juggernaut a mutant specifically so they could use him in the film due to the contract Fox had with Marvel at the time. Only mutants could be in the X-Men films, even non-mutant supers who are part of the X-Men teams (such as Deadpool) had to be implicitly stated as being mutanta in the films.
I love Dark Phoenix up until the scene after Jean makes Professor X walk up the stairs, feels like a Batman V Superman scene, but before that feels like a more tense Civil War
I had already checked out when mystique died. I know it was to raise the stakes on Jean’s mental state but they made me follow and route for a character for three movies and killed her off for not much more than shock value to me
@@ethanwoolard9668 if it makes you feel better they killed her off mostly because Jennifer Lawrence was over it. Mystique's death and Quicksilver's absence for most of the film are both the results of actor and scheduling issues rather than trying to do stuff for shock value
@@spatchmo6938 I was surprised that Nando considered Mystique's death earned because I felt like Mystique was cool in First Class and important in Days of Future Past, but after that, it felt like she only existed in the main cast because of Jennifer Lawrence being popular and they didn't really know what to do with her character.
The scenes of Logan's actual past are my favorites, which is why I think the X-Men Origins intro is so cool. I wonder why they never made a show or movie about Wolverine, let's say, 150 years before "the present day".
I was so excited for The New Mutants back when it was originally slated to come out. And then it was delayed for so long that I forgot it was a thing until I nearly missed it in theaters. It's really sad it ended up the way it did when there was so much potential.
I absolutely love the part in X-Men: The Last Stand where Pyro says he wishes he could've killed Prof X and Magneto shuts him down so hard, saying that Charles has done more for mutants than he'll ever know
I feel like the Cyclops transition from rebel to stick in the mud makes sense overall but would’ve been fun to see it as a gradual transition from a hypothetical scenario where things continued
With X3: I bet that if most of the Dark Pheonix plot wasn't there and Gene Gray were replaced with Scarlet Witch, it might have gone over better. With Origins Wolverine: a simple remaster to fix the CGI is all it needs. With Apocalypse: they should release a director's cut with the mall scene reinstated. And with the rest: they are just fine the way they are.
I appreciate that the franchise wasn’t afraid to title some movies without “X-Men” in the title. Like allowing a Wolverine movie to just be “Logan” or The New Mutants. And even releasing Dark Pheonix as JUST “Dark Pheonix”, which is kind of dumb but I do respect it.
I see Cyclops with stubble as a representation of him being broken. He also has it in Wolverine and the X-Men where he’s also lost Jean. He sometimes shaves it when he gets with Emma, showing he’s healing. I like that detail with Cyclops. Also, I really like how Cyclops is portrayed in Wolverine and the X-Men.
How could you not mention the scene in Dark Phoenix where Jean uses here telekinesis to make Prof. X walk up the stairs? That scene was chillingly brilliant!
My big plus for X-Men movies people don’t like is from New Mutants - As a huge New Mutants fan the movie wasn’t exactly what I would have wanted, but did they absolutely nail the casting, for the women. Blu Hunt as Dani was really impressive, but man Anya Taylor-Joy as Magik and Maisie Williams as Wolfsbane were absolutely perfect. I can’t imagine anyone better for either of those parts. Those two should be held up along side Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, RDJ as Iron Man, and Christopher Reeve as Superman for perfect Superhero movie casting.
Agreed, casting was note-perfect with Heaton, ATJ, and Maisie. Also shout-out to Nando for Kelsey Grammer as Beast, likewise absolute perfection. I was so delighted to see and hear him back in The Marvels.
I recently watched “the new mutants” as I have never seen it, I enjoyed the heck out of this movie. Like actually loved it, loved a bunch of things I assume most people loved but I honestly wish it could have gone somewhere, always been a sucker for sunspot so
NGL, the horror angle really got me. That's probably because I'm not much of a pure horror fan, but the effects were still really well done, especially since super hero, horror is not something you see very often
That film would have been great as a 1-hour TV pilot. As a 90 minute feature film with two bears and email progress bars and like 3 themes it's a total mess.
I found Simon Kinberg's direction in DARK PHOENIX pretty solid He was able to give the movie an identity of its own, rather than trying to replicate Bryan Singer's direction Unlike Brett Ratner tried to do in THE LAST STAND
Apparently, he held ‘Apocalypse’ together while Bryan Singer was going through some sort in f melt-down, so the cast trusted him and advocated for him to do it. They still should’ve picked another story; there’s SIXTY YEARS worth of plotlines to adapt.
The deleted scene from Apocalypse, along with all the 80's style choices, and the cast...make it work for me. I honestly really like the movie. Days of Future past is the best for me out of that era... but I like Apocalypse 😂
Thank you. As someone who unapologetically LOVES the Fox Marvel Universe, it’s heartwarming to hear someone else give a lot of these under-appreciated films some recognition. Especially in the case of Dark Phoenix, which is definitely in my top 3 favorite X-men movies.
WAIT IN LAST STAND THATS PSYLOCKE???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Hot take: As far as I am concerned, I would take X-Men: The Last Stand over X-Men: Dark Phoenix any day. To me, X-Men: The Last Stand is just better in almost every object and subject way. Also, the costumes from the ending of X-Men: Apocalypse are perfect and should have been featured further. Maybe they can be brought to the MCU in the future.
i dont think this is a hot take? Most people enjoy some things from the last stand while a lot more people enjoy much parts of dark phoenix. Yes i watched the video of course but i mean in general for people lol.
@robbyb3ll4s Dude, most people don't like X-Men Last Stand and Dark Phenoix. Saying Last Stand is better than Dark Phenoix isn't saying a lot. Dark Phenoix is so bad that it makes Last Stand look just a little better. Key word A LITTLE.
Nando: I have a project in the works about Magneto… Me: *sigh* Magneto again? Nando: and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants Me:*clasps fingers* you have piqued my interest.
Why no mention of an incredible Quicksilver scene in Apocalypse? It was *the best* Quicksilver scene in the movies, maybe ever. I must have watched it like 20 times and it never gets old, so well done.
@@thekiss2083 This is where Toad has to fight Mystique, who is shapeshifted to be Toad to fight Toad, and the real Toad says “Okay, you and me, Toad to Toad.”
I will say the scene in TLS..X3 where prof X nd Jean Grey are having a telepathic battle at her house with all the action going surrounding and outside of it, is in my Opinion the best scene throughout the whole Xmen Fox series. Everything bout it just works, the score the pacing, The battles and the lack of dialogues just Works
10:51 no, I can't deny. Sadly they wasted all those amazing shots for the credits, when the WHOLE movie should have been like that! Just imagine what piece of art it could have been if they just had made a "historical" movie, with Wolverine and Sabertooth in it. Lack of imagination kills everything. Period.
I'm so annoyed by Dark Phoenix because them exiting the X-Jet to a crowd of cheering fans should have been the ending to one of these movies to show them making a difference, but its used in this movie as a given and immediately questioned as a problem. Its crazy to me that Raven sees a a little girl with a Mystique action figure and its framed as a bad thing somehow.
Colossus was underused in Last Stand. We should have had a fight between him and Juggernaut. What a missed opportunity. Thank you Deadpool 2 for redeeming that
I actually like New Mutants. And Dark Phoenix has one of my favorite CGI abominations, or a glorious final act. It's a mess, it's heartwarming, it's awesome!
The problem with the scene where magneto stabs the nazis un first class Is that they say they are un Villa Gesell, Argentina, but Gesell Is a city by the beach, nowhere near the mountains
That’s just funny. It’s always hilarious when American productions use real place names for stuff that takes place in foreign countries when anyone with any basic knowledge of the place can see how wrong it is. They think we don’t notice, but we do.
I would just bump The Last Stand to C tier, there's enough interesting stuff going on and the action is entertaining enough that the low points aren't all that bad.
There are very few TH-camrs that I genuinely look forward to watching and get excited when they upload. You are that TH-camr for me. I seriously get so excited every time I see that you posted cause It’s always a banger. I actually just appreciate your videos so much
I think it makes more sense for First Class, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix to be a trilogy, since they're dealing exclusively with the newer cast, where Days of Future Past deals with both sets.
Thank you for defending these great films, you just forgot on thing very great of all Fox movies : sincerity Also I would like to say that characters arc are better in this universe than in MCU where characters are more empty and fan icones
What I like the most about the X-Men movies is the fact that they never tried to follow the MCU's formula or its tropes, especially after it became a trend They never relied on nostalgia, the tone always kept consistent, and they always focused on the present And DARK PHOENIX kept that way They kept their sense of individuality. Even the score was different in each movie.
To be fair the mcu didn’t start to rely on nostalgia until Endgame, which was in 2019, around the same time dark phoenix came out they didn’t get a chance to do it
I do like how Havocs powers have "circles" I think different energy blast powers having unique pulsation frequency or if the edges of their blasts wobbled at different wave frequencies would be interesting way of showing they are different.
Apocalypse lost me when a rug pulled to one side was what awakened En Saba Nuhr. It worked with the Endgame Rat because of the Doctor Strange prediction as a setup. But it never happening when any of those worshippers went in or out? It couldn't be intentional, they wanted him to return. So they just never happened to move the rug like that. Somehow.
I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and I didn’t really care for it outside of two things: I liked the opening where they saved the astronauts and I thought that this was the best Nicholas Hoult looked in the Beast makeup.
My theory is that the name Trask is handed down because it is a corporate name given to who is head of the place and that is why you have two characters who don’t look like each other
I love Famke Jansen's performance as Dark Phoenix; the writing really hampered her because her motivations didn't make sense but she sold it and deserved more praise than she got.
DOFP and Apocalypse were both shot in native stereo 3D. The Wolverine was shot in 2D and then converted to 3D. Dark Phoenix was also a conversion but never got a 3D Blu-ray release so the complete version of the film is currently lost media. The New Mutants didn't even get a conversion, showing how little they actually cared about the films at that point...
I actually really like Magneto's speech in last stand where someone points out that no one is talking about extermination, and his response is "no one ever talks about it. They just do it." That line, coming from him, is perfect.
I think 45 of the 50 best lines in this whole saga are spoken by Erik.
@@TheEvilCheesecake the scene where Magneto lifts the golden gate bridge is still awesome. Also Kelsey Grammar as Beast is the perfect casting choice! I was so excited when he showed up in the marvels. He nailed it!
And, unfortunately, that line isn't aging anytime soon
The Nazis talked about exterminating Jews, Romani and the mentally ill all the time though.
Uh I think the Nazis spoke about it alot. In detail actually. It wasn't a secret or anything 😂
They keep on trying to do the Dark Phoenix Saga without doing the Phoenix Saga first.
I just don't understand why Fox wanted to rush this story arc when the comic story took a long time to wrap up
@@AliasAerius I wouldn’t be mad if they never touched upon it at all
Do what X-Men Evolution did and make Jean a decent character and give all the darkness and story to Rogue
@@JOVONO That's something thing I'd like to see. Have Rogue start off as a villain first (and steal all of Captain Marvel's powers).
Right?!?!? I kept feeling like I was losing my mind because they were being so greedy and dumb
I didn't see the 2nd one, but _The Last Stand_ was particularly bizarre.
"Do you think that this story that ran for years in the comics will be OK for one movie?"
"Nah, we'd better cram another beloved story in the movie with it!"
I like the fight/race between Kitty Pryde and Juggernaut, because I love a wildly-mismatched powers fight, and that's one of the first ones I remember seeing.
Particularly when the underdog is not the one you might it is.
@@intergalactic92Kitty may have started as an underdog, but sh’s leveled up in the comics.
The mutants are being genocided…again, and a group of ten commandos had Kitty cornered, laughing about what they were gonna do to her…
…and she MURDERED them all in about thirty seconds. Turns out that, being able to phase objects into people has some horrifying implications. (but they had it coming!)
@jonbodhi hey man do you have the title for that run? I'd like to read it for myself if you have the time :)
I really like The Wolverine, as an Asian who actually grew up and lives in Asia, it was a breath of fresh air that Hollywood made a movie set in Asia so authentic and genuine back in 2013, and I think it still holds up even now
I still think they should have had Hiroyuki Sanada in the Silver Samurai suit. The real one, not that cgi monstrosity. That would have changed everything about this film.
@@hughheavens3753it wouldn’t have changed much. You technology haters act like one piece of cgi ruins a whole movie, when at worst it just means something looks bad
@@hughheavens3753 i think so too, but SS is supposed to be a mutant too, so maybe they didn’t want the complications, although it WOULD fit that bad guys ’obsession’ with mutants.
The Wolverine is criminally underrated, especially the uncut version
"Acting isn't that hard. Mark Wahlberg can do it" Will use this for life, thanks Nando
It's like the acting version of saying "If you ever feel like a failure as a writer, remember that somebody got paid to write: 'Somehow, Palpatine returned'."
@@SaiyanHeretic Honestly... Imagine being the writers of episode 9. Every single plot thread and character arc was *destroyed* in episode 8. No villain, and no compelling characters to work with. And then you are told "make it Palpatine." it's no wonder someone went **shrug**, had the biggest sigh, sat down at their keyboard, and wrote "Somehow, Palpatine returned..."
Haha.....one of my favourite quotes of this video! :)
@@gigaherz_ It feels like someone got high over the weekend and just said
"F it" They dont care why should i?
Can he though? 😂
So I learned from this video that there’s apparently like three Psylockes that are literally just women with purple streaks in their hair running around this universe. To be fair though, that’s barely more Psylockes than the comics.
And not one of them with an accent 🙄
Such a beloved design and they have no idea what to do with her lol.
It's just a movie. So what, they had a character recast it's not that big of a deal. "But the characters NEED to break the fourth wall and say something about that recast character or I can't sleep!!! Hey guys, doesn't psylocke look different to anyone lolol haha. When did Psylocke get the new look? lolol hahah"
@@brandinojam24 why so hostile?
@@Liam-co1bwdoesn’t touch grass much I’m guessing
Shoutout to Dark Phoenix for the scene where Cyclops inexplicably drops an F-bomb
Each X-Movie got one (or at least since 2011)
That was so adorable!
They do it because Disney doesn't do it
@@Zombiesnyder13 Disney keeps it family friendly. Which isn’t a bad thing, it lets more people see it. And for the record, Disney is obviously producing Deadpool and Wolverine
I was rewatching the X-Men movies in prep for D&W and I was looking out for each of the F-bombs in these movies. I forgot when they dropped it in Dark Phoenix and when I finally got to Cyclops I straight up laughed out loud
You can be assured that EVERY prequel x-men movie with Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy has at least one scene of them acting their hearts out, they easily became two of my favorite actors becuz of this series because you could see they never phoned it in, whereas other famous actors in the series sometimes would. Fassbender especially had such great emotional/intense moments in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix
To be honest those two are the only reason I was able to finish dark phoenix, I tried to be optimistic but I can’t stand that movie, it made me legitimately angry with how Mystique was done, she trash talks the x-men name, when she helped come up with it, she says that the team is taking too big risks, when she advocated for the team to be like soldiers in apocalypse, and soldiers take risks, and then she says the guys do nothing, when nightcrawler risked his life to safe Jean from space in the previous scene, like they really had her take a full 180 and then they killed her off, but I stuck through it because of those two men, I have my issues with these movies but dark phoenix ruined any enjoyment for me with Mystiques lack of character continuity
The magneto story in apocalypse was tragic, but really well done. And then he becomes a Walmart toy flying around Egypt for an hour.
😂😂😂
What are you talking about Walmart toy?
He was tearing the world apart😅
The best scene for me was the beginning of days of future past. That’s xmen. A team working together with their powers.
I wish the whole movie was about that.
I wish the whole FoX-Men franchise knew this. It took Disney's X-Men 97 for the current audience to realise that the X-Men isn't just the Wolverine show
@@itspienoon7883honestly I always called Wolverine “X-Man” as a kid even when I was watching the older cartoons… it wasn’t just the movies’ fault
@@itspienoon7883Um in X3 you actually do seem them team up. Funny how everyone seems to forget that the beginning of Days is just a continuation of how they were in X3.
I like to think X men origins: Wolverine is the story Wolverine tells other people about his origin and not 100% accurate to what actually happened.
I'm doing a timeline binge of all thr X men movies. Logan loses his memories in Origins, and still doesn't have them in X1 until he remembers the Japanese soldier in The Wolverine. Is tjere any point that he fully gets all his memories back? Or did he just remember part?
@@Pyraticalpunk By _The Wolverine_ he has all his memories back. Don't ask how or why, we don't know. Sometime in the 7 years between _The Last Stand_ and _The Wolverine_ his memories returned.
@@loganbigmowe know how, Charles managed to give him his memories again, it's implied in the movies and also Jean does it two times in two different timelines
@@juryantonelli Jean never restored his full memories in the original time and in the new timeline she specifically states she restored one memory, the only one she could access
@@loganbigmo yeah it was Xavier who restored his memories, as I said, but it's also shown that Jean can restore some memories two times, in X men and Apocalypse
Not mentioning the quicksilver scene as the best part of apocalypse is a crime
exactly why i came to the comments
I kept waiting for him to mention it
That scene was amazing but Magneto destroying Auschwitz is stuck in my head
Quicksilver makes every scene better
@@elih6087 exactly
No mention of the Mutant Containment Unit (MCU) coming to take the team away in Dark Phoenix?
One detail in X-Men: Apocalypse that I really appreciate is one of my favourite methods of visually showing massive amounts of power. Jean walking towards a ledge, passing over it and just keeping going. No fancy flying pose (until a few shots later anyway), just casually making the universe bend to what she's comfortable doing.
"Just casually making the universe bend to what she's comfortable doing." For some reason that line makes her sound even more badass hehe
Agreed. That moment was epic.
As a longtime resident of Japan, the things that stood out weren't the chemistry issues between Logan and Mariko. It was the location warping around Tokyo, Yukio driving from Tokyo to Nagasaki in a single night, and the orientalist portrayal of Japan.
I love Nando's positivity. From SheHulk to Origins Wolverine, he's always the voice of WANTING to enjoy this stuff. Being hard to please is overrated, Nando's got it figured out.
She hulk wasn't that bad imo. I liked it.
@@kdusel1991I liked it too, it was trying to be a fun story about her not the next Godfather
@@LP-rn6id I actually appreciated how it called out the toxic part of the MCU fanbase
Nando, Cinemawins, and Troyoboyo17 are my comicbook positivity kings I love them all
@@kdusel1991What's funny is how predictable said toxic fanboys are
Crazy how despite the ups and downs of the Fox X-men movies we got 2 absolutely stellar versions of Professor X and Magneto
You left off the best little detail about X-Men: Apocalypse: it completely nailed the one song it had to get right with Metallica’s Four Horsemen during the Angel recruitment. I’m convinced this song is the only reason the movie is set in the 1980s.
Every scene with Fassbender is worth watching
Facts
Honestly I was still a kid when X-Men Origins Wolverine came out so I really didn't understand at the time what the big deal was about it, like at that age I wasn't very discerning about VFX quality or writing quality so it was still super cool to me at the time just to see Wolverine's origins in a movie or Gambit and Deadpool
It would be funny if Headpool in Deadpool and Wolverine is the decapitated head of Weapon XI/Barakapool from this movie. If you didn't know, a post credits scene revealed that he was still alive.
Edit: Unfortunately, he wasn't. Huge missed opportunity for Ryan and Hugh to make fun of that version again.
Rewatching all these movies recently, origins biggest flaws are barakapool and the confusing motives of the wife, the rest is just your average action movies cheesy one liners, it’s not groundbreaking stuff, but it’s nowhere near deserving the hate bandwagon it’s had over the years, it’s just a silly comic book movie, and that’s all I need it to be
The extended cut of The Wolverine is the one I watched. It adds some neat character moments and extends the village fight scene to include 3 people getting blended by an industrial snowblower.
The extended cut of The Wolverine showed the potential that an R-Rated Wolverine movie could have. And eventually we got Logan so yay!
@@pennywisethedancingclown2246 yeah watching it I was like "I can see the direct line from this to Logan"
@@JohnDontBeRacist Mangold and Jackman both campaigned hard to get Logan made the way they wanted it, an R-rated Wolverine movie that the fans have been waiting for. Plus the success of Deadpool helped as well. Without Deadpool, we likely never would've gotten Logan
37:06 "Acting isn't that hard. Mark Whalberg can do it."
Remembering Transformers Age of Extinction, I don't know if he can.
He's terrific in I ❤ Huckabees
What no!
He was great in The Departed
All actors are great at their job (hollywood is the top 1% of the top 1% so very competitive). All bad acting you see is bad directing. That being said Mark might be the one exception…
I don't think he was *that* bad in AoE.
I would like to add that in Last Stand Storm getting to do more physical stuff like her spinning tornado/hurricane move was great and I remember as a kid watching the behind-the-scenes of Halle Berry doing that.
The entire movie was great
Last stand was the weakest of the trilogy, but it’s got a lot of enjoyment value, it’s not a bad movie, but it’s not a masterpiece, it’s just alright
@@tuttiman55 What made it the weakest, when its the only Xmen movie out of the trilogy where they actually fight as a team?
XMA - I genuinely think they did Apocalypse they way they did, human-sized with prosthetics, was because they didn't want him to look too much like Thanos. I remember watching this movie for the first time on vacation with my family. It was fun to watch a movie like this with people who had never seen X-Men cause even I who was caught up still didn't really know what was going on. lol. I enjoyed it for what it was but it fell apart on rewatches.
I’ve always said that in all fairness about the claws, in this movie they’re BRAND NEW HOT OFF THE PRESS adamantium so I thought it would’ve made sense if they looked less affected
30:34 - I read somewhere the original plan was to do a Phoenix movie to make you fall in love with Jean, and then Dark Phoenix to break your heart, but the studios nixed those plans and they had to compress two films’ storylines into one.
32:47 I really loved the score for "first class", by Henry Jackman
That cute little "meow" number in the recruitment montage is iconic
I will never forget magnetos theme ecspcially the scene where he kills Shaw with the coin
They made Juggernaut a mutant specifically so they could use him in the film due to the contract Fox had with Marvel at the time.
Only mutants could be in the X-Men films, even non-mutant supers who are part of the X-Men teams (such as Deadpool) had to be implicitly stated as being mutanta in the films.
I can tell one thing that The Last Stand has above every other X-Men movie and that is the man, the myth, the legend - One Inch Spikes Guy
I love Dark Phoenix up until the scene after Jean makes Professor X walk up the stairs, feels like a Batman V Superman scene, but before that feels like a more tense Civil War
I had already checked out when mystique died. I know it was to raise the stakes on Jean’s mental state but they made me follow and route for a character for three movies and killed her off for not much more than shock value to me
@@ethanwoolard9668blame Lawrence for always giving up on her franchises after collecting checks..trash actress
@@ethanwoolard9668 if it makes you feel better they killed her off mostly because Jennifer Lawrence was over it. Mystique's death and Quicksilver's absence for most of the film are both the results of actor and scheduling issues rather than trying to do stuff for shock value
@@spatchmo6938 just a smidgen better
@@spatchmo6938 I was surprised that Nando considered Mystique's death earned because I felt like Mystique was cool in First Class and important in Days of Future Past, but after that, it felt like she only existed in the main cast because of Jennifer Lawrence being popular and they didn't really know what to do with her character.
The scenes of Logan's actual past are my favorites, which is why I think the X-Men Origins intro is so cool. I wonder why they never made a show or movie about Wolverine, let's say, 150 years before "the present day".
I was so excited for The New Mutants back when it was originally slated to come out. And then it was delayed for so long that I forgot it was a thing until I nearly missed it in theaters.
It's really sad it ended up the way it did when there was so much potential.
"Acting isn't that hard, Mark Walberg can do it"
Jesus Christ, that is the single most violent thing I have heard Nando say
X-men apocalypses only redeeming feature is giving us another quicksilver scene. It’s awesome.
I absolutely love the part in X-Men: The Last Stand where Pyro says he wishes he could've killed Prof X and Magneto shuts him down so hard, saying that Charles has done more for mutants than he'll ever know
I feel like the Cyclops transition from rebel to stick in the mud makes sense overall but would’ve been fun to see it as a gradual transition from a hypothetical scenario where things continued
"Is that because his name is Loggin'? Maybe." 😂
With X3: I bet that if most of the Dark Pheonix plot wasn't there and Gene Gray were replaced with Scarlet Witch, it might have gone over better. With Origins Wolverine: a simple remaster to fix the CGI is all it needs. With Apocalypse: they should release a director's cut with the mall scene reinstated. And with the rest: they are just fine the way they are.
I appreciate that the franchise wasn’t afraid to title some movies without “X-Men” in the title. Like allowing a Wolverine movie to just be “Logan” or The New Mutants. And even releasing Dark Pheonix as JUST “Dark Pheonix”, which is kind of dumb but I do respect it.
I see Cyclops with stubble as a representation of him being broken. He also has it in Wolverine and the X-Men where he’s also lost Jean. He sometimes shaves it when he gets with Emma, showing he’s healing. I like that detail with Cyclops. Also, I really like how Cyclops is portrayed in Wolverine and the X-Men.
K?
@@ParaplegicKeanuReevesThat was not a comment Keanu Reeves would leave! For shame!
Genuinely didn't know New Mutants was a thing.
The Last Stand was a solid movie if you blackout every time they do the Dark Phoenix.
Keep crying
How could you not mention the scene in Dark Phoenix where Jean uses here telekinesis to make Prof. X walk up the stairs? That scene was chillingly brilliant!
My big plus for X-Men movies people don’t like is from New Mutants - As a huge New Mutants fan the movie wasn’t exactly what I would have wanted, but did they absolutely nail the casting, for the women. Blu Hunt as Dani was really impressive, but man Anya Taylor-Joy as Magik and Maisie Williams as Wolfsbane were absolutely perfect. I can’t imagine anyone better for either of those parts. Those two should be held up along side Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool, RDJ as Iron Man, and Christopher Reeve as Superman for perfect Superhero movie casting.
Its breakfast club meets the shining whats not to like
Agreed, casting was note-perfect with Heaton, ATJ, and Maisie.
Also shout-out to Nando for Kelsey Grammer as Beast, likewise absolute perfection. I was so delighted to see and hear him back in The Marvels.
I recently watched “the new mutants” as I have never seen it, I enjoyed the heck out of this movie. Like actually loved it, loved a bunch of things I assume most people loved but I honestly wish it could have gone somewhere, always been a sucker for sunspot so
NGL, the horror angle really got me. That's probably because I'm not much of a pure horror fan, but the effects were still really well done, especially since super hero, horror is not something you see very often
I hated the "inside of you there are two bears" thing everyone's heard, but I liked the rest of it
That film would have been great as a 1-hour TV pilot. As a 90 minute feature film with two bears and email progress bars and like 3 themes it's a total mess.
I don’t believe you
I found Simon Kinberg's direction in DARK PHOENIX pretty solid
He was able to give the movie an identity of its own, rather than trying to replicate Bryan Singer's direction
Unlike Brett Ratner tried to do in THE LAST STAND
Apparently, he held ‘Apocalypse’ together while Bryan Singer was going through some sort in f melt-down, so the cast trusted him and advocated for him to do it.
They still should’ve picked another story; there’s SIXTY YEARS worth of plotlines to adapt.
The deleted scene from Apocalypse, along with all the 80's style choices, and the cast...make it work for me. I honestly really like the movie. Days of Future past is the best for me out of that era... but I like Apocalypse 😂
Dark Phoenix gave me the ending I wanted and I'm okay with it because of that.
I wanted to see the X-Men one last time before Disney could reduce them into clowns
@@Zombiesnyder13 That has nothing to do with my comment? I feel like I should do the Sir, this is a Wendy's meme.
What I meant is that, just like you, I walked out satisfied
@@Zombiesnyder13 Cool.
Shout out to the Dark Phoenix soundtrack, it didn't have to go that hard but it rips!
The shot at Mark Walburg was unwarranted 😂😂
It was very warranted lol
Thank you.
As someone who unapologetically LOVES the Fox Marvel Universe, it’s heartwarming to hear someone else give a lot of these under-appreciated films some recognition. Especially in the case of Dark Phoenix, which is definitely in my top 3 favorite X-men movies.
I wish in last stand. Rogue almost went through with the procedure but ended up not doing it. Like in the comics and TAS.
WAIT IN LAST STAND THATS PSYLOCKE???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
#IBlameAviArad
There's a background character that gets credited as Psylocke. So if that counts, then yes, but not really.
That's a lot of question marks bud.
Hot take: As far as I am concerned, I would take X-Men: The Last Stand over X-Men: Dark Phoenix any day. To me, X-Men: The Last Stand is just better in almost every object and subject way.
Also, the costumes from the ending of X-Men: Apocalypse are perfect and should have been featured further. Maybe they can be brought to the MCU in the future.
i dont think this is a hot take? Most people enjoy some things from the last stand while a lot more people enjoy much parts of dark phoenix. Yes i watched the video of course but i mean in general for people lol.
@robbyb3ll4s Dude, most people don't like X-Men Last Stand and Dark Phenoix. Saying Last Stand is better than Dark Phenoix isn't saying a lot. Dark Phenoix is so bad that it makes Last Stand look just a little better. Key word A LITTLE.
@@TitanBolt99 i flipped them in my brain i meant people enjoy dark phoenix less than last stand
Nando: I have a project in the works about Magneto…
Me: *sigh* Magneto again?
Nando: and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
Me:*clasps fingers* you have piqued my interest.
its really true that magneto has been carrying the franchise
"In defense of-"
But i thought that you were Nando, and you V movies
Why no mention of an incredible Quicksilver scene in Apocalypse? It was *the best* Quicksilver scene in the movies, maybe ever. I must have watched it like 20 times and it never gets old, so well done.
I cannot wait for Nando to make the Toad Solo film
You know what happens to films about toads?
@@TheEvilCheesecake Same thing that happens to films about everything else
Is that where we find out how Toad from Super Mario got his iconic last name in the customs line at the airport?
@@thekiss2083 This is where Toad has to fight Mystique, who is shapeshifted to be Toad to fight Toad, and the real Toad says “Okay, you and me, Toad to Toad.”
When naming the positives for Apocalypse, "And I know Olivia Munn really wanted to play Psylock, so I'm happy she got to." Had me rolling.
I will say the scene in TLS..X3 where prof X nd Jean Grey are having a telepathic battle at her house with all the action going surrounding and outside of it, is in my Opinion the best scene throughout the whole Xmen Fox series. Everything bout it just works, the score the pacing,
The battles and the lack of dialogues just Works
Days Of Future Past > First Class
But First Class is the very next movie in my ranking of X-Men movies. Logan is ahead of both.
The directors cut for the Wolverine is amazing man
"Eat your heart out Hawkeye"
I understood that reference!
Nobody else has said this so I had to
Apocalypse and X3 are watchable at least. Dark Phoenix definitely wasn't great, but I wasn't expecting it to actually come out in the first place.
10:51 no, I can't deny. Sadly they wasted all those amazing shots for the credits, when the WHOLE movie should have been like that!
Just imagine what piece of art it could have been if they just had made a "historical" movie, with Wolverine and Sabertooth in it.
Lack of imagination kills everything.
Period.
I really enjoy Fox's X-Men films and it truly made me a fan of the team.
Origins Wolverine is also has one of the only live action references to the Akira bike slide.
X-Men origins is my favorite X-Men movie
Origins gave us the worst version of Deadpool, but the best Sabertooth.
I'm so annoyed by Dark Phoenix because them exiting the X-Jet to a crowd of cheering fans should have been the ending to one of these movies to show them making a difference, but its used in this movie as a given and immediately questioned as a problem.
Its crazy to me that Raven sees a a little girl with a Mystique action figure and its framed as a bad thing somehow.
Colossus was underused in Last Stand. We should have had a fight between him and Juggernaut. What a missed opportunity. Thank you Deadpool 2 for redeeming that
I actually like New Mutants. And Dark Phoenix has one of my favorite CGI abominations, or a glorious final act. It's a mess, it's heartwarming, it's awesome!
I"m gonna rewatch that Juggernaut scene and you can't stop me 😂
U mean that one Juggernaut scene?
Dark Phoenix's Tragedy on the Last Stand soundtrack is phenomenal.
The problem with the scene where magneto stabs the nazis un first class Is that they say they are un Villa Gesell, Argentina, but Gesell Is a city by the beach, nowhere near the mountains
That’s just funny. It’s always hilarious when American productions use real place names for stuff that takes place in foreign countries when anyone with any basic knowledge of the place can see how wrong it is. They think we don’t notice, but we do.
I’ve always thought Vin Diesel should be apocalypse. Bald, big guy, imposing voice.
I would just bump The Last Stand to C tier, there's enough interesting stuff going on and the action is entertaining enough that the low points aren't all that bad.
There are very few TH-camrs that I genuinely look forward to watching and get excited when they upload. You are that TH-camr for me. I seriously get so excited every time I see that you posted cause It’s always a banger. I actually just appreciate your videos so much
I think it makes more sense for First Class, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix to be a trilogy, since they're dealing exclusively with the newer cast, where Days of Future Past deals with both sets.
Thank you for defending these great films, you just forgot on thing very great of all Fox movies : sincerity
Also I would like to say that characters arc are better in this universe than in MCU where characters are more empty and fan icones
Congratulations on 300k mate, massive achievement and I love your content so it is very well deserved!
What I like the most about the X-Men movies is the fact that they never tried to follow the MCU's formula or its tropes, especially after it became a trend
They never relied on nostalgia, the tone always kept consistent, and they always focused on the present
And DARK PHOENIX kept that way
They kept their sense of individuality. Even the score was different in each movie.
To be fair the mcu didn’t start to rely on nostalgia until Endgame, which was in 2019, around the same time dark phoenix came out they didn’t get a chance to do it
Uh, DOFP was full of nostalgia. They deliberately brought back the old characters and actors for that
I do like how Havocs powers have "circles" I think different energy blast powers having unique pulsation frequency or if the edges of their blasts wobbled at different wave frequencies would be interesting way of showing they are different.
Apocalypse lost me when a rug pulled to one side was what awakened En Saba Nuhr.
It worked with the Endgame Rat because of the Doctor Strange prediction as a setup.
But it never happening when any of those worshippers went in or out? It couldn't be intentional, they wanted him to return.
So they just never happened to move the rug like that. Somehow.
No it was clearly a secret cult so why would they leave it open while also trying to cover it?
I just saw Dark Phoenix last night and I didn’t really care for it outside of two things: I liked the opening where they saved the astronauts and I thought that this was the best Nicholas Hoult looked in the Beast makeup.
5:32 L take, it’s always funny and still funny.
Was just about to write that 🤣 it will always be funny
My theory is that the name Trask is handed down because it is a corporate name given to who is head of the place and that is why you have two characters who don’t look like each other
“I would know… I’m Fragier.”
I love Famke Jansen's performance as Dark Phoenix; the writing really hampered her because her motivations didn't make sense but she sold it and deserved more praise than she got.
Oooo, a video I’ve already watched on Nebula, time to head there to watch another new video
There's a real Vanisher? I thought that was a Deadpool joke.
I honestly forgot _Dark Phoenix_ existed… and I say that as someone who liked _Apocalypse._
I remember watching the work print for Wolverine Origins and being impressed that somehow the unfinished CGI was not the worst thing.
Isn't it "Fraiser"?
It's "Frajer", I would know, I'm Frajer.
The show is called "Fraiser"
Frajieeeeerrrr!!! *shakes fist helplessly at the sky*
Honestly aside from last stand and origins I enjoyed these movies they were a big part of my life.
Days of future past is my favorite superhero film Tbh
DOFP and Apocalypse were both shot in native stereo 3D. The Wolverine was shot in 2D and then converted to 3D. Dark Phoenix was also a conversion but never got a 3D Blu-ray release so the complete version of the film is currently lost media. The New Mutants didn't even get a conversion, showing how little they actually cared about the films at that point...
3:28 i just love a 30 rock reference
And I love the Best Friends Gang! *freeze frame*
Rewatched the original trilogy this weekend. Seeing the Dude who GRAPED Drake Bell pop up in a scene felt so gross.