We've got an "It’s one banana, Michael, how much could it cost? 10 dollars?" right here. Thinks software engineers all have apartments or live with their mom. Doesn't know how much money they make. It's the chunky milk of jokes. Don't bother checking the date, just throw this spoiled loser out. I hope you read this, Christian Nellemann! No one likes you. The only people praising you are looking for a hand-out.
The linkedin guy is most likely one of those who inflict crazy deadlines on people, then complaints why they are unhappy at work, having slept 5 hours in a day and working for 16 hours straight, while asking "Have you finished it? Have you finished it? And now? Have you finished it??"
I literally can't function prowling on less than 9hrs. No one seemed to understand this - I THINK MORE AND FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE I EVER MET. So yeah I need a few extra hours and litteraly can't think if I don't sleep enough. I literally become retarded and then get judged by that instead of ppl listening when iv explain I can't fixing without sleep unlike you ppl coz I actually USE my whole mind. And this is why I'm crippled. Forced to not sleep anew d lost my mind
You offer remote work to your developers because of flexibility and productivity benefits. I offer remote work for my developers because I can't stand being in the same building that them. We are not the same
All of this reminded me of a joke. It's originally from German and about engineers in general, but I think it still works (and yes, I translated this): A man in a hot air balloon is lost. The balloon is descending and spots a man on the ground. The balloon driver yells: "Sorry, can you please help me? I promised to meet a friend an hour ago but I don't know where I am." The man on the ground answered: "You are in a hot air balloon about 10 metres above ground. You are 49 degree, 28 minutes and 11 seconds northern latitude and 8 degree, 28 minutes and 58 seconds eastern longitude." "You must be an engineer", said the balloon driver. "I am", said the man on the ground, "how do you know?" "Well", says the balloon driver, "everything you said is technically accurate, but I have no idea what to do with this information. And the fact is, I still have no idea, where I am. To be honest, you weren't of any help. If anything you just delayed my travel further." The engineer answers: "You must work in management." "Yes", says the balloon driver", "but how do you know?" "Well", says the engineer, "you know neither where you are nor where you are going. You got into your position thanks to a lot of hot air. You made a promise, of which you have no idea how to keep it, and except of people below you to solve your problems for you. Fact is, that you are in the same situation before our meeting, but strangely I am now somehow of fault!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 This is the thing with all of this remote work. People like that guy in the post would fire remote engineers if he could but the truth is, he can't, he needs them, they are the ones in charge really. My first ever senior engineer said something amazing when I did my first internship which was "management implies seniority" which is SO TRUE. That's what these people can't handle, they aren't that important, we could fire them and things would still be fine
@@cubbyhoo what do you think why when a consultant company created an AI to decide which people are easy to replace the first response was higher management?
Remote work is a great thing. People use that extra time to plan healthier meals, exercise, and read, not just to relax and play videogames I don't see how more people spending 30 minutes to 3 hours per day inside their car helps the economy in any way
I don't get it. It seems like an ego trip. The only possible way it can be efficient is if management can't handle it (emotionally, mentally, whatever) and can't get their job done because they're too busy seething over WFH. Come to think of it, even that is probably a good thing.
Well said! You can be unproductive in the office as much as you can from home. You need a way to measure other than looking over devs' shoulders. Most of us are not wasting time, and those who do will eventually be found out - or just recognised as not productive enough.
Maybe programmers should find a way of using AI to automate management away, so you don't need HR or Managers, the entire company is programmers. Heck, just learn how to install a ERP suit, who needs managers anyway when software can do their jobs ? We only need servers and programmers.
He's not wrong. I just want to be left the hell alone so I can work rather than some random guy coming over and talking to me about his kids. It's called getting work done rather than treating the work place like high school.
This guy just has a team that hates him, and they hate him because he doesn't respect them or the kind of focus they have to enact to really solve the problems he throws at them.
Working from the office is acceptable if (a) your coworkers are not weird, (b) you are paid enough to do so (lunch isn’t too expensive), (c) you don’t have too many interruptions or somehow have your focus protected, (d) the commute is easy, and (e) the office is a nice place to be in. But usually these aren’t all true.
You should also list the issues with working from home. You need all these things at home also and if you don’t then you will be less happy and productive as well.
@@notnotjake how is that an issue with WFH? You need to commute when WFH? You need to have good coworkers when WFH? You need to pay for expensive lunches when WFH? What are you talking about?
I don't like to work from home. If it is possible, it should be a choice. It is not that I love socializing. It is more that I can't get in a work mental state very well at home. I am more productive at an office.
I've been working remotely for the past 20 years. 😂 The issue is not remote working; rather, certain managers are unable to manage anything, whether remote or in the office.
Those managers have impression of doing a good work while in the office, because in the office people are forced to be nice and happy, hence they feel like they are doing a good work. Plus they feel god because you have people around you executing your orders. However that is a total pokerface. There are devs who can't get shit done the same way there are managers who can't even organize a dinner out for a date.
I've been a professional developer for 40 years, working in both small and large companies. I have NEVER encountered developers who are a "black hole of entusiasm". I HAVE encountered some devs who could shower more, but they were definitely a tiny percentage overall. Every developer I've worked with has generally been cheerful and personable, at least most of the time. Programmers have to be clever just by the very nature of the work, and clever people are interesting to talk to. This guy's take (the linked in guy) is anti-developerist garbage. Though perhaps the real problem is HIM - no one wants to talk to him because HE is the black hole of ideas and devs are unhappy being around him. That I could believe.
They are usually cheerful and personable but sometimes lack perosnality, they come across as bland. But everyone kinda becomes bland when they think about their job almost all the time, which the market requires
Before work from home, I had at least 12 hours a week of meetings that contributed nothing to my work objectives. At least have of these were large group meetings for 3-4 hours where 100 of us would silently listen to executives talk about topics unrelated to our jobs. Marketing and junior managers loved it. I think the real function of these meetings was to make the executives feel important.
@@JGComments did I mention I am a student intern that legally has to work 10 h a week? I couldn't get anything done if I didn't exceed that every single week and the meeting is one big blob of wasted time.
Sure but that's entirely within your control, you can discipline yourself out of that, you can't discipline yourself out of a 45 minute train ride both ways.
My current job has stated during my mid review that I cannot jump from technical manager to a more "senior role" because I'm not under the eye of the top management as I work remotely, hence comes march no promotion (for the third time) and a slim raise... Guess who's gonna remote elsewhere after bonus time?
I just saw an article complaining how ”a large percentage of people working remote might DO LAUNDRY DURING WORK HOURS 😫” Yeah, that takes a couple minutes. What are the time sinks in the office? Leaning against a table in the breakroom sipping coffee, gossiping and trying to figure out where to have lunch today while waiting for the next meeting to start
@@tbunreall I've always felt that if someone wants to slack off there is no better place than in an office. When I work remotely the only evidence I have that I am engaged is what I produce. On the other hand I've done jobs where they mainly looked at the hours the security system told them I was in the office. If I had slacked off they would have just assumed my lack of output was due to me being busy with something.
That's one of the things that is an additional benefit of being at home. In the office if I have to wait for something to complete I'll probably go to the kitchen for a break and almost every time I'll end up talking to someone else there, then before I know it we've used up an hour just chatting. At home I kind find some useful task to do around the house while I wait. If I think the process I'm waiting for will take 30 minutes I can drop whatever alternative task I'm doing, check on how things are progressing, then either go back to work or leave the process running a bit longer. The nice thing about tasks like laundry or doing something in the garden is they are things that can be dropped at a moment's notice and continued another time.
Imagine being a "Idea guy" who builds a huge persona based on their success then gets it re-inforced with happy fake "work culture". Then you deal with the devs, who actually have to put your ideas into action and aren't impressed by any of your popularity game. It sounds like this guy just keeps hammering devs with his personal bullshit and they just stay quiet hoping for him to go away. His ego translates that as "all devs are trash people" instead of realizing he is the problem. There is way too much power imbalance for a founder to ever have a real relationship with anyone around them.
It's social animal with lots of daddy money vs introverts with skills. I say to you introverts become an island. Social animals are not necessarily bad but we mix with them like oil and water. Let the social animal hire his own kind to make his software.
his newest idea is to offshore all the dev work to India, so now he's free to burn all bridges with the people he has resented all this time for being too expensive while building his company. he can barely contain his glee.
@@unabonger777 I thought everybody k ew that Indian devs prefer to stay in their country instead of moving out because (despite lower wages) they can live like kings for writing absolutely terrible code compared to western counterparts...
I have a ton of health issues so working from remote is almost a must for me. I once had a boss who agreed to let me work at home for 3 out of 5 days. I was okay with it because they knew about my medical history. Sadly what I did not know was that once when I had to leave the office half an hour early because I had forgot my medicine and knew that it might not help at that very moment and had to get home to my fiance who knows how to deal with me during those times. When they had found out I left, they banned me from taking remote days and forced me to work in the office even during my medical moments, I took it until one day I almost fainted after rushing to the bathroom 4 times in a row to throw up, and I took a gamble and left my job in hopes of finding a place that would accept me with my medical history (note I had rent to pay and this was a big gamble). I ended up now finding a job that allows me to do fully remote and its amazing, I have never met such a caring and fun boss to work with. So if you are in a similar place right now, take your health first.
I would be on disability if I couldn't work remote for the exact reasons you describe. Not fun rushing home to take medicine because you feel your symptoms coming back and you forgot to bring them. Now I keep a few pills on my desk just in case, but still. Also commuting is horrifically bad for the environment. Practically no one carpools, and I live in a supposedly progressive city.
If you hire software devs based on Leetcode, you get that black hole of enthusiasm and team spirit. Because those are the types who most love sitting by themselves, grinding out algorithmic code examples competitively. Who want to get hired because of some score that proves they are the "best"... at writing meaningless code that doesn't even matter in the real world.
I’d venture to say that unenthusiastic devs are more from a bad work culture that does not promote anything worthwhile, more than egotistical developers.
Well and those people only memorize example answers. They can't work with novel problems or code. Because they memorize, not figure it out and use problem solving skills. "My code does/n't work and I don't know why" folks.
I’m a database consultant. I solve problems by thinking for a living. So naturally they put my cube right next to the walkway at the corner where the elevators and bathrooms are. Headphones. Unfriendly glaring. Informal chit chat DECLINED. Constantly. I maintained my productivity and made it through 3 rounds of layoffs with no problem. When asked how I continued to get raises and promotions, I told them I like to get a little work done when I come to work. Working from home now and I love it. No more BS.
Glad you're killing at it, sometimes I find corporate environments to be very annoying, almost like a distraction to what I'm actually supposed to be making
I would love to know more about your line of work and how I might consider transitioning from a full stack developer career. I already have significant experience in SQL Server, but never consulted for it. I've been unemployed for months, so I'm taking the opportunity to reassess alternative career tracks. I'm also considering cybersecurity, AI/ML, manufacturing automation & robotics, or even automotive, but those are lower level where I have almost no experience.
@@Chiramisudo Hey man! Best of luck with the job search. Personally I'd only be looking at cybersecurity, AI, etc. if I was willing to go back to school, get at least a Master's, and start from the bottom, just because these are so specialized. I looked into transitioning into Data Analysis at once point but stayed with BI and databases. If you're not 100% sure you want to be that invested, I'd personally look to leverage my existing skills. The tough part about the database world is that the majority of the value I provide is based on my knowledge of company-specific systems that allow me to go in and build or diagnose problems quickly. MY recommendation would be to look for a role where you are supporting a key company system and gain deep knowledge of the system/people/business there to drive value. It's a very different mindset than a typical developer experience where the best move is to hop from job to job every year or two. The growth might be slower, but is often more stable as well. The other nice thing about SQL/BI/databases is you aren't constantly throwing out your stack every 5 years and learning a whole new one, again, it's more about depth of knowledge. If you do decide to pursue the SQL option, in your place I'd be looking at things like this: www.indeed.com/q-database-analyst-jobs.html?vjk=5b282d6c45ce6ef7 Either way, best of luck!!
@@johnyepthomi892 that too, yeah. And the part when he says that every time he walks into a team of devs, it feels like "unresponsive goo". Dude, maybe that says more about you, no?
My last CEO was a very similar meme. He also fired all the front end and backend senior engineers in the company. 😂 We all realised we were getting paid 2/3 or less than what was available on the market.
I was told at my last job (coding front end) that I had to wear a suit and tie every day...I just never returned from lunch that day, and instead went straight home and registered my own company. I can do hangouts, but be on display in a room with glass walls and a glass door next to the entrence, wearing a suit as I code 8 hours a day...that was too much.
You remind me of a dev job interview, where i came in normal but typical interview clothing. First thing the manager who came in full suit said: "I do not feel comfortable that you did not come with a suit/tie". Took me two second to argue back, that i am here for the dev job, not sales. Did the interview but already made up my mind "not going to work for such stuck up people". Some people are so stuck in their own power tripping, that its insane... I wonder how many good devs that company lost (and it was not a small firm).
@@krux02 But that's what we need as a programmer. If you gave me a choice to work in pajamas, leaning back in chair, messy hair and a soda on the other hand you want me in suit and all this protocol shit. My mind would just not be able to process in so much protocols and rules. So I would pick pajamas
People who think that are simply unable to appreciate the kinds of things we're actually enthusiastic about, because our minds work very differently, and necessarily so. That's what makes us engineers.
ah yes the people who travel the most, work remotely the most due to travel, and are the furtherest removed from actual office dynamics: ‘remote work bad’
There are two predominant kinds of remote workers: 1. The kind that will get wired into a problem and, at some point, realize the sun has already gone down 2. The kind that will take a bath on company time, then go prepare a "quick" snack, then quickly catch up on their emails before watching a video as a mini-break
It's because they just don't know how to engage with us. There are things we are enthusiastic about and will readily talk a person's ear off about (I'd do it about tech advancements, science, games/strategy ... sometimes. once in a while), but our spheres of interest only just barely touch. Blegh. Can you imagine forcing this particular guy to join in on something like a game jam or hackathon?
@@pencilcase8068STEM workers seem to know all too well, but humanities and social sciences don't cover this at all as far as I'm aware. I don't think all liberal arts majors need to do STEM training obviously, but the culture of ignorance is depressing. In most cases, a frustratingly scattered and shallow course like survey of mathematics is their Bachelors or Masters requirement.
"They add absolutely nothing to the greater good or the culture of the business" ~ guy that has brian daamaage Well the company does not pay its bills with culture, and if that monkey doesn't want software developers in his company then he can use carrier pigeons.
@@crusaderanimation6967 ??? im talking about how he misspelt brain damage as brian damage actually looking closer its *brian daamaage* which is even funnier
I got my first tech job almost 3 years ago with no prior experience, been remote since and I’ve loved it. Learned a ton and my mental health has never been better.
so happy to work from home. my old boss did RTO and removed half day Friday's. new place, I'm full time remote, 4 day work week, have more growth opportunities AND get paid more. made the switch in 2023
Working in an office is completely pointless and wasteful of time and resources. Takes me a 45 min drive each way to commute. Stupid. Everything is online now.
Whatever you say, for introverts or night owls, remote work is the best possible thing. There are lots of night owls or mid to hard-core introverts, who work a lot efficiently and with high productivity, when work as a remote developer.
@@darrinito Night shifts, even in manual or onsite tech jobs was the best. Less traffic, less people, easily lose track of time, BAM night over and go home.
This is why I work at places where software development is a profit center, not a cost center. When your salary and your work is seen as a cost on a spreadsheet, managers treat you accordingly. When you explicitly make them money, then they treat you well and just hope you don't take your skills and knowledge and compete with them.
I already find americans to be unnecessarily full of fake positivity, with a tendency to say a lot of things they don't actually mean, but imagining this guy's ideal workplace is scary. Just a bunch of people constantly praising each other, saying things like "Oh that's your cat? Oh I love it!", "So what did you do last weekend?", "Did you hear what Britney said in her last song?", and the quintessential "I know I say that a lot, but I *can't* work without my coffee, it's- no I swear! I don't know how people ever got things done before coffee".
We have remote work "happy hours" The key is its from 3-4 on Friday and completely optional. Dont wanna show up? Cool, start your weekend early! They also have a monthly event somewhere with a real happy hour (again, 100% optional) at Top Golf, Main Event, Grabbing lunch somewhere (at noon and THEN taking the rest of the day), etc. it's actually pretty cool. Our managers REALLY try to keep it fun for everyone and are great.
10:00 - Re: the "secret to weaponizing autism"... I have been doing this for decades. Once I see people squirm from awkwardness, I go in even harder to push them over the edge. I grew up in Ireland in the 80's, when they weren't really doing autism testing, so I am undiagnosed (but very clearly Aspergers or similar). The unhealthy part might be that I actually derive satisfaction from pushing people over the edge and getting my way. Sorry, not sorry.
Hey, I work for large German corporation in Czech Republic, I can work remote 3 days a week, rest of the week I have to be in a office to sit at the same meetings on Teams with people that are in different locations anyway in some open office with constant interuptions... :D
I guarantee you: this guy sits around posting on linkedin all day instead of doing anything useful for his company. He considers it a marketing strategy.
Company towns don't make their money on the resources, like oil, metal, or coal. They make their money on the ecosystem around the resource. Drive our friends' cars, through our friends' tollbooths, to our friends' parking lot. Stop by our friends' cafe for lunch, use our friends' payment system, and take out debt with our friends' bank.
At home I have a dedicated, private office. I have a quiet work environment, free of the smells of other people's lunches. I don't need to stop what I'm working on and go outside every time I want some nicotine. I have food _brought to me_, so no need for a lunch hour. I have better equipment. Most importantly of all, I'm comfortable, because this environment has been custom tailored to my own needs. At the office I constantly watch the clock. At home, 5PM comes and goes and half the time I don't even notice. All this boils down to more productivity. I get more work done than the rest of my team combined. Why the heck WOULDN'T they want me to work from home?
That's what we're really getting to. It's just like our market capitalism where selling a product interferes with the primary objective: inflating the stock value. These elites don't know or care to learn how anything is made.
I think in this guy's case it definitely means that. I've worked with people like him and any time they came round our area everyone was just counting the seconds until the idiot went away. It's not that we weren't sociable, but that we had no interest in wasting our time pretending to be friendly with an ass.
We do remote teambuilding on some Fridays, and it works great. The trick is actually liking your coworkers. Build a good culture and you'll be surrounded by good people.
Remote work or no work indeed. The flexibility is so important to families, and each hour saved from transiting per day amounts to 5 hours per week, in a 40 hour work week.
Thank you for saying that about Tony, trying to have a social event like that over a teams call is the absolute worst, as you said, most social events would have people having a ton of micro-conversations all around, which is impossible over these types of meetings... But... It's a problem to solve, and a potential business idea. What if someone could create an online meeting and collaboration platform where you could say select one or a group of the participants and invite them into a temporary private room to have a conversation, then if one person in the private room gets bored and wants to go say hi to other people, they can just leave that private room and resume back in the main group meeting. This can actually be easy to solve with the proper technology, it's just that none of our current solutions can solve this exact problem.
Åh gud.. Of course he's a Danish nepo-baby. Looked up Christian Nellemann and found some articles in Danish about his dad, who by all means has had a fine career starting as a regular grocer, but yeah, his two sons are just riding his coattails, succession style.
Sooo last year, our company boasted about how all-around beneficial, valuable and important it is to outsource development work to low-cost countries. This year, they're trying to convince the remaining local workers that our home-office situation is harming productivity, so they want us back in the office - except there's barely anyone there anymore, and most of the people who could be there, would just be on the phone all day long talking to those valuable low-cost workers abroad... the irony is unbeatable
I'll work from an office when I can be in just my underwear, have my pets, people are quiet, and not be bothered by my colleagues who feel entitled to my _immediate_ attention, apathetic to any disturbance it may cause to my working process Author seems the kind of guy to go "HEY BUDDY! WHY AREN'T YOU SMILING!" 9am on a Monday
This guy's post really gives me "software engineers consistently prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot, so I like to hate on them to make myself feel better" vibes, and I'm here for it.
As someone learning to code I can confidently say I don't mind going into work since I would be a junior dev learning the ropes, but once I am out of that junior position you can believe I will be asking for remote.
I thought this was a poor attempt at reverse psychology. In his mind, he probably thought if he told engineers not to come, they would want to come to office out of spite or something.
As a software engineer, I won't work for an employer who doesn't agree the only thing for which I'm being employed is to make commits. Nothing much more to say.
My remote work coworkers either: 1. Are incredible teammates who work hard, make themselves available during the required hours, while also taking advantage of their positions flexibility to make their lives happier. 2. Wander their homes, mouth agape, hands at their sides and staring at the ceiling, doing nothing, never online, as productive as a dead person.
There's no one solution that fits every company and every engineer. If the company policy isn't to your liking, move on and find a match for you. Or vice versa, fire them and call it "trimming the fat". If companies no longer find any developers that want to work for them cause of their policies, they will change their policies or cry on X about it: "nobody wants to work anymore". And if those developers don't find employment, they'll start their own companies or something.
I love WFH for many reasons, but one is actually having a comfortable workstation with the equipment I need. Comfortable temperature, lighting that isn't blinding and clinical, a chair that doesn't break my back, monitors that aren't like a decade old, a nice mech keyboard etc.
There are times when being in office will increase productivity. These are EXTREMELY rare. Day to day office is a productivity black hole, and software devs really actually want to make things and the office BS actually gets in the way of that. When I need to be more productive I work from home, my work AND my rest is more productive at home than in the office. There do exist things that being in office helps with, but 99% of them specifically interfere w/ what software devs want to do, and minifying them to only what is necessary is a huge bonus of WFH.
As a software engineer, I like to work from home because I am an extrovert and working from home gives me the ability to spend my time how I want, like volunteering in my community. In fact, I am sitting in my car right now and I took a meeting call from my car so that I could volunteer today.
When you are exhausted from work, in local work you can drink some coffee and socialize (ewww). In remote work you can play Elden Ring for 25 minutes and come back happy instead.
Software development is more than programming. So being able to contact and get help, maybe do effective stand-ups, but wider technical discussions are also useful. So no, developers are not just nerds in hoodies that grunt at you. At the same time, sometimes there's heads-down work that really calls for deep focus and getting stuff done. Put on your hoodie and drink lots of coffee, and work from home with notifications turned off if necessary. Going into the office certainly isn't needed for that. Although, it's not needed for effective collaboration either! We should be adept at using technology to collaborate effectively.
Agree with all this…unfortunately I get the feeling a lot of people commenting on this video don’t get the first part and just strive to be nothing but code monkeys the rest of their career.
lol I literally just got off my standup call where they brought up a virtual halloween get together over teams. Luckily I do actually like my team and it won't be that bad. But on previous teams I've been on, it would be an absolute nightmare.
Software engineering will remain remote-friendly, because, just as much as we don't want to go into an office, everyone else doesn't want us to, either. And if that statement isn't true, there is a solution - we all switch to arch (except me, I don't have to switch because I use arch btw) and the rest will take care of itself. And by 'the rest', I mean 'the smell'. The sweet, aromatic musk of my raw gnu.
I think this is my favorite content I've seen from you. 'weaponized talking autism' ahahaha... the guy talking about the 'moody' software developer when we all know we'd be wearing headphones with hoodie up just wishing to god that this particular guy doesn't try to interact with us... software engineers (builders) "contributing nothing to the greater good of the business"... it's so good. Perfect example of sales/hr side screaming into the void at the 'nerds' while engineers are on the other side wondering what they even do on the other side bahaha gotta have the chill execs to bring it all together
A better version of the happy hour thing would be to set up a discord server with multiple text channels and voice channels. That way people can split up into multiple conversations. And then let people hang out there when they feel like, rather than everyone being forced to interact with eachother through it. Though you could set up *voluntary* events at specific times where you come together to do something together. ... this version could actually make it easier for some people with autism. as we don't hear the other conversations going on around us.
as a software developer, I agree with this CEO 100%. I don't want to hangout with software people - I rather hangout with sales and marketing people and tbh, I can't do work if I hangout at the office with sales and marketing because they love to talk (which is great btw) but as a dev we usually have waaaay to much stuff to do
My problem with work from the office is than I work in an outsource company, so almost everybody have their own client/project that is completely unique and all of our projects don't have anything in common. Because of that nobody has need to talk to someone new and if you try to small talk to anybody, it would look strange, because I am just wasting his work hours on some nonsense. So in outsource company nobody has common interests, common problems, it's like everyone inside their online company, and the only thing that unites us are the badges with the same logo. The only people that I see talking and having a good time in the office, are the people that work in big teams and for the same client. They have a natural reason to communicate with each other. Because of that I will start working from the office only when I will be in a product company.
I just took a new job about 40 minutes from the house. After wfh for the last 6 freakin' years I told them expect to see me in the office 3 days a week. I actually miss, going outside and driving to an office. They have arcade games and shit why wouldn't I
Yeah for me having a specific work environment can be nice. Similar to insomnia where it's recommended to only lie in bed when you're going to sleep. The human brain is really good at finding and reacting to patterns. Although I don't think is an argument for forcing everyone to come in, because a lot of people do better WFH. IMO, let people pick, and look at their performance. Not individual personal anecdotes and opinions either way. Also not everything's about productivity... If your life is bad because you have to sit in a stuffy office and commute 3 hours a day, why continue that?
If it's satire: Haha. If not: Absolutely looking forward to join this guy's company and work closely together with him and his teams (which is also satire)
About happy hours. I don't mind happy hours... but you need to do it during work hours on a Friday. Take the afternoon off. Start at 3pm until 5pm or so, any later than that is optional. Lots of managers like to do happy hour AFTER a full work day so it just adds two hours to the work day. Bonus if the business picks up the tab.
Its that thing when someone is super serious while everyone else thinks at first that its just super funny and then you realize the douche is real and they are super serious. I give it minus six on a scale of genuine human interactions with people who are not paid to be your " friends".
im not a software dev but i've never gone to work to socialize. There are days where i don't speak a word to anyone at the office. I have a social life outside of work but i'm convinced some people don't
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People like this is the reason we don't want to be at the office.
I was gonna say. He's probably struggling to get anything out of devs because he's the type of person no employee wants to talk to.
We've got an "It’s one banana, Michael, how much could it cost? 10 dollars?" right here.
Thinks software engineers all have apartments or live with their mom. Doesn't know how much money they make. It's the chunky milk of jokes. Don't bother checking the date, just throw this spoiled loser out. I hope you read this, Christian Nellemann! No one likes you. The only people praising you are looking for a hand-out.
Good software engineers know they can easily switch jobs so they don't suck upto these egomaniacs.
People like him, talk a lot, no substance at all, are definetly the reason why the office is Hell
Exactly! Do you see his other comments? He's pretty vile, I really can't stand people like that!
The problem with corporate office types is that they try to artificially build morale instead of letting it develop naturally.
It NEVER works.
Pretty correct
The icebreaker breakout rooms will continue until morale improves.
Hmmm idk man. Maybe ONE more pizza party will turn everything around?!
100%
I have a great idea, let's listen to how well my golf game went this weekend, and then everyone can take turns talking about
We are such a team.
Remote work is foolish if the engineer is on $200k+ TC but somehow its great when its outsourced to an overseas sweatshop at $4/h 🤷♂
Of course, because working "in the office" means working four time zones away.
@@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt Hey @ $4/h, Namaste! You're part of the family now.
you might as well outsource everything at that point…
Ha, that is so funny, and so true
@@badstep495they already have unless they can’t due to regulations
The linkedin guy is most likely one of those who inflict crazy deadlines on people, then complaints why they are unhappy at work, having slept 5 hours in a day and working for 16 hours straight, while asking "Have you finished it? Have you finished it? And now? Have you finished it??"
You mean "the boss"? You forgot " doesn't do jack sh!t himself."
I just want to know why someone keeps hiring smelly software devs/engineers.
I literally can't function prowling on less than 9hrs. No one seemed to understand this - I THINK MORE AND FASTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE I EVER MET. So yeah I need a few extra hours and litteraly can't think if I don't sleep enough. I literally become retarded and then get judged by that instead of ppl listening when iv explain I can't fixing without sleep unlike you ppl coz I actually USE my whole mind.
And this is why I'm crippled. Forced to not sleep anew d lost my mind
@@blueicer101 Probably because the less desperate ones don't want to work for them...
@@zsohaihfaosav Oh. I'm talking about the linkedin guy, not theprimeagen :)
You offer remote work to your developers because of flexibility and productivity benefits.
I offer remote work for my developers because I can't stand being in the same building that them.
We are not the same
remote work or no work
based
your boss might say office work or no work. So you'll go find a new boss I guess.
my old boss did. and yep, found a new boss. remote and 4 day work week
Is this an ultimatum?
@@-biki- refer me to
All of this reminded me of a joke. It's originally from German and about engineers in general, but I think it still works (and yes, I translated this):
A man in a hot air balloon is lost. The balloon is descending and spots a man on the ground. The balloon driver yells: "Sorry, can you please help me? I promised to meet a friend an hour ago but I don't know where I am."
The man on the ground answered: "You are in a hot air balloon about 10 metres above ground. You are 49 degree, 28 minutes and 11 seconds northern latitude and 8 degree, 28 minutes and 58 seconds eastern longitude."
"You must be an engineer", said the balloon driver. "I am", said the man on the ground, "how do you know?"
"Well", says the balloon driver, "everything you said is technically accurate, but I have no idea what to do with this information. And the fact is, I still have no idea, where I am. To be honest, you weren't of any help. If anything you just delayed my travel further."
The engineer answers: "You must work in management." "Yes", says the balloon driver", "but how do you know?"
"Well", says the engineer, "you know neither where you are nor where you are going. You got into your position thanks to a lot of hot air. You made a promise, of which you have no idea how to keep it, and except of people below you to solve your problems for you.
Fact is, that you are in the same situation before our meeting, but strangely I am now somehow of fault!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is the thing with all of this remote work. People like that guy in the post would fire remote engineers if he could but the truth is, he can't, he needs them, they are the ones in charge really. My first ever senior engineer said something amazing when I did my first internship which was "management implies seniority" which is SO TRUE. That's what these people can't handle, they aren't that important, we could fire them and things would still be fine
the more long winded a german joke is, the funnier they get
@@cubbyhoo what do you think why when a consultant company created an AI to decide which people are easy to replace the first response was higher management?
Remote work is a great thing. People use that extra time to plan healthier meals, exercise, and read, not just to relax and play videogames
I don't see how more people spending 30 minutes to 3 hours per day inside their car helps the economy in any way
I don't get it. It seems like an ego trip. The only possible way it can be efficient is if management can't handle it (emotionally, mentally, whatever) and can't get their job done because they're too busy seething over WFH. Come to think of it, even that is probably a good thing.
To be fair, I use the extra time to relax and play video games.
@@GackFinderbut thats your perogative! its not up to Linkedin Founder 4 how you want to spend your time
All the restaurants around the office buildings don’t get as much business I guess
Well said! You can be unproductive in the office as much as you can from home. You need a way to measure other than looking over devs' shoulders. Most of us are not wasting time, and those who do will eventually be found out - or just recognised as not productive enough.
he just failed to realize he only has a business because of said developers.
Maybe programmers should find a way of using AI to automate management away, so you don't need HR or Managers, the entire company is programmers.
Heck, just learn how to install a ERP suit, who needs managers anyway when software can do their jobs ?
We only need servers and programmers.
Think of all the open source projects and conferences that get done without management.
@@monad_tcp That sounds like baby Skynet, no thanks
He's not wrong. I just want to be left the hell alone so I can work rather than some random guy coming over and talking to me about his kids. It's called getting work done rather than treating the work place like high school.
be a man and ask for cabinet like human with adult profession do e.g. lawyers.
This guy just has a team that hates him, and they hate him because he doesn't respect them or the kind of focus they have to enact to really solve the problems he throws at them.
Dong ding dong, you’re not wrong. Points awarded.
Working from the office is acceptable if (a) your coworkers are not weird, (b) you are paid enough to do so (lunch isn’t too expensive), (c) you don’t have too many interruptions or somehow have your focus protected, (d) the commute is easy, and (e) the office is a nice place to be in. But usually these aren’t all true.
Usually none of that is true
You should also list the issues with working from home. You need all these things at home also and if you don’t then you will be less happy and productive as well.
@@notnotjake how is that an issue with WFH? You need to commute when WFH? You need to have good coworkers when WFH? You need to pay for expensive lunches when WFH? What are you talking about?
(f) it doesn't mean you have to live in a shoebox because otherwise, you would be too far from the office to commute comfortably.
I don't like to work from home. If it is possible, it should be a choice. It is not that I love socializing. It is more that I can't get in a work mental state very well at home. I am more productive at an office.
I've been working remotely for the past 20 years. 😂 The issue is not remote working; rather, certain managers are unable to manage anything, whether remote or in the office.
Those managers have impression of doing a good work while in the office, because in the office people are forced to be nice and happy, hence they feel like they are doing a good work. Plus they feel god because you have people around you executing your orders. However that is a total pokerface.
There are devs who can't get shit done the same way there are managers who can't even organize a dinner out for a date.
I've been a professional developer for 40 years, working in both small and large companies. I have NEVER encountered developers who are a "black hole of entusiasm". I HAVE encountered some devs who could shower more, but they were definitely a tiny percentage overall. Every developer I've worked with has generally been cheerful and personable, at least most of the time. Programmers have to be clever just by the very nature of the work, and clever people are interesting to talk to.
This guy's take (the linked in guy) is anti-developerist garbage. Though perhaps the real problem is HIM - no one wants to talk to him because HE is the black hole of ideas and devs are unhappy being around him. That I could believe.
They are usually cheerful and personable but sometimes lack perosnality, they come across as bland. But everyone kinda becomes bland when they think about their job almost all the time, which the market requires
@@draugno7 In my experience, the worst of them lack no more personality than any other office drone.
Human interaction= 3 hour meetings that could be an Email. I really want to die sometimes during my weekly useless 3h meetings.
Before work from home, I had at least 12 hours a week of meetings that contributed nothing to my work objectives. At least have of these were large group meetings for 3-4 hours where 100 of us would silently listen to executives talk about topics unrelated to our jobs. Marketing and junior managers loved it. I think the real function of these meetings was to make the executives feel important.
@@JGComments did I mention I am a student intern that legally has to work 10 h a week? I couldn't get anything done if I didn't exceed that every single week and the meeting is one big blob of wasted time.
They fail to understand when you're working remote, you do overtime without realizing it
You just set an alarm on your phone for 5 minutes before quit'in time.
Is it just me who realizes it? My multiple warning alarms don't help either. 😕
@@trappedcat3615 yup, don't worry, you're not the only one. It's the trap of remote work
Sure but that's entirely within your control, you can discipline yourself out of that, you can't discipline yourself out of a 45 minute train ride both ways.
Oh shit. I must be doing this remote thing wrong then because I pretty much get nothing done. Hopefully my boss doesn't find out anytime soon. 😅
My current job has stated during my mid review that I cannot jump from technical manager to a more "senior role" because I'm not under the eye of the top management as I work remotely, hence comes march no promotion (for the third time) and a slim raise...
Guess who's gonna remote elsewhere after bonus time?
Bad companies always find a reason. Remote is an excuse.
visibility metrics is just an excuse to cut costs 🤐
I just saw an article complaining how ”a large percentage of people working remote might DO LAUNDRY DURING WORK HOURS 😫”
Yeah, that takes a couple minutes. What are the time sinks in the office? Leaning against a table in the breakroom sipping coffee, gossiping and trying to figure out where to have lunch today while waiting for the next meeting to start
Everyone knows when you're in the office you're working 100% of the time. It's just common sense, duh
@@tbunreall exactly 😅
@@tbunreall I've always felt that if someone wants to slack off there is no better place than in an office. When I work remotely the only evidence I have that I am engaged is what I produce. On the other hand I've done jobs where they mainly looked at the hours the security system told them I was in the office. If I had slacked off they would have just assumed my lack of output was due to me being busy with something.
That's one of the things that is an additional benefit of being at home. In the office if I have to wait for something to complete I'll probably go to the kitchen for a break and almost every time I'll end up talking to someone else there, then before I know it we've used up an hour just chatting. At home I kind find some useful task to do around the house while I wait. If I think the process I'm waiting for will take 30 minutes I can drop whatever alternative task I'm doing, check on how things are progressing, then either go back to work or leave the process running a bit longer. The nice thing about tasks like laundry or doing something in the garden is they are things that can be dropped at a moment's notice and continued another time.
@@loganmedia1142 Exactly, and they don't take very long at all
Imagine being a "Idea guy" who builds a huge persona based on their success then gets it re-inforced with happy fake "work culture". Then you deal with the devs, who actually have to put your ideas into action and aren't impressed by any of your popularity game. It sounds like this guy just keeps hammering devs with his personal bullshit and they just stay quiet hoping for him to go away. His ego translates that as "all devs are trash people" instead of realizing he is the problem. There is way too much power imbalance for a founder to ever have a real relationship with anyone around them.
an* "idea guy"
Yes. I did it, you can hate on me but at least you'll know something more.
This is so real I can visualize it.
It's social animal with lots of daddy money vs introverts with skills. I say to you introverts become an island. Social animals are not necessarily bad but we mix with them like oil and water. Let the social animal hire his own kind to make his software.
his newest idea is to offshore all the dev work to India, so now he's free to burn all bridges with the people he has resented all this time for being too expensive while building his company. he can barely contain his glee.
@@unabonger777 I thought everybody k ew that Indian devs prefer to stay in their country instead of moving out because (despite lower wages) they can live like kings for writing absolutely terrible code compared to western counterparts...
I have a ton of health issues so working from remote is almost a must for me. I once had a boss who agreed to let me work at home for 3 out of 5 days. I was okay with it because they knew about my medical history. Sadly what I did not know was that once when I had to leave the office half an hour early because I had forgot my medicine and knew that it might not help at that very moment and had to get home to my fiance who knows how to deal with me during those times. When they had found out I left, they banned me from taking remote days and forced me to work in the office even during my medical moments, I took it until one day I almost fainted after rushing to the bathroom 4 times in a row to throw up, and I took a gamble and left my job in hopes of finding a place that would accept me with my medical history (note I had rent to pay and this was a big gamble). I ended up now finding a job that allows me to do fully remote and its amazing, I have never met such a caring and fun boss to work with. So if you are in a similar place right now, take your health first.
I would be on disability if I couldn't work remote for the exact reasons you describe. Not fun rushing home to take medicine because you feel your symptoms coming back and you forgot to bring them. Now I keep a few pills on my desk just in case, but still.
Also commuting is horrifically bad for the environment. Practically no one carpools, and I live in a supposedly progressive city.
You sound unemployable, which is likely what you will be.
This has strong "you didn't break up with me, I broke up with you" vibes.
If you hire software devs based on Leetcode, you get that black hole of enthusiasm and team spirit. Because those are the types who most love sitting by themselves, grinding out algorithmic code examples competitively. Who want to get hired because of some score that proves they are the "best"... at writing meaningless code that doesn't even matter in the real world.
I’d venture to say that unenthusiastic devs are more from a bad work culture that does not promote anything worthwhile, more than egotistical developers.
@@TheManiacTechno Yup. I got bored in my first job, then burned out in my second job cause someone like the LN poster was my manager.
LeetCode has a bunch of fun challenges that can make you think outside of the box. That's why I like. I wouldn't consider it a way to find employment.
Well and those people only memorize example answers. They can't work with novel problems or code. Because they memorize, not figure it out and use problem solving skills. "My code does/n't work and I don't know why" folks.
@@toby9999then you might like Codeforces
I’m a database consultant. I solve problems by thinking for a living. So naturally they put my cube right next to the walkway at the corner where the elevators and bathrooms are. Headphones. Unfriendly glaring. Informal chit chat DECLINED. Constantly. I maintained my productivity and made it through 3 rounds of layoffs with no problem. When asked how I continued to get raises and promotions, I told them I like to get a little work done when I come to work. Working from home now and I love it. No more BS.
Glad you're killing at it, sometimes I find corporate environments to be very annoying, almost like a distraction to what I'm actually supposed to be making
I would love to know more about your line of work and how I might consider transitioning from a full stack developer career. I already have significant experience in SQL Server, but never consulted for it. I've been unemployed for months, so I'm taking the opportunity to reassess alternative career tracks. I'm also considering cybersecurity, AI/ML, manufacturing automation & robotics, or even automotive, but those are lower level where I have almost no experience.
@@Chiramisudo Hey man! Best of luck with the job search. Personally I'd only be looking at cybersecurity, AI, etc. if I was willing to go back to school, get at least a Master's, and start from the bottom, just because these are so specialized. I looked into transitioning into Data Analysis at once point but stayed with BI and databases. If you're not 100% sure you want to be that invested, I'd personally look to leverage my existing skills. The tough part about the database world is that the majority of the value I provide is based on my knowledge of company-specific systems that allow me to go in and build or diagnose problems quickly. MY recommendation would be to look for a role where you are supporting a key company system and gain deep knowledge of the system/people/business there to drive value. It's a very different mindset than a typical developer experience where the best move is to hop from job to job every year or two. The growth might be slower, but is often more stable as well. The other nice thing about SQL/BI/databases is you aren't constantly throwing out your stack every 5 years and learning a whole new one, again, it's more about depth of knowledge. If you do decide to pursue the SQL option, in your place I'd be looking at things like this: www.indeed.com/q-database-analyst-jobs.html?vjk=5b282d6c45ce6ef7
Either way, best of luck!!
executives trying to justify why they are paying office rent
More to do with having no one to physically boss around and watch over and micro manage and…..
@@johnyepthomi892 that too, yeah.
And the part when he says that every time he walks into a team of devs, it feels like "unresponsive goo". Dude, maybe that says more about you, no?
My last CEO was a very similar meme.
He also fired all the front end and backend senior engineers in the company. 😂
We all realised we were getting paid 2/3 or less than what was available on the market.
Damn it
I was told at my last job (coding front end) that I had to wear a suit and tie every day...I just never returned from lunch that day, and instead went straight home and registered my own company. I can do hangouts, but be on display in a room with glass walls and a glass door next to the entrence, wearing a suit as I code 8 hours a day...that was too much.
You remind me of a dev job interview, where i came in normal but typical interview clothing. First thing the manager who came in full suit said: "I do not feel comfortable that you did not come with a suit/tie". Took me two second to argue back, that i am here for the dev job, not sales. Did the interview but already made up my mind "not going to work for such stuck up people".
Some people are so stuck in their own power tripping, that its insane... I wonder how many good devs that company lost (and it was not a small firm).
Programmers in non management roles being forced to wear a suit and tie daily is so damn stupid. How can anyone even code in that attire?
@@martiananomaly I think most people would code worse.
Wearing a suit isn't that bad. They are pretty comfortable and make you feel great. Just a lot of maintenance work. Being on display is bad though.
@@krux02 But that's what we need as a programmer. If you gave me a choice to work in pajamas, leaning back in chair, messy hair and a soda on the other hand you want me in suit and all this protocol shit. My mind would just not be able to process in so much protocols and rules. So I would pick pajamas
Software dev: Black hole of enthusiasm
Also software dev: OMG I made it print * in the shape of a diamond
People who think that are simply unable to appreciate the kinds of things we're actually enthusiastic about, because our minds work very differently, and necessarily so. That's what makes us engineers.
There is a CEO in the PH that says, WFH makes you dumber everyday.. to be fair, he's exactly the reason why we don't want to go in the office.. lol
ah yes the people who travel the most, work remotely the most due to travel, and are the furtherest removed from actual office dynamics: ‘remote work bad’
What does WFH stand for, in this scenario?
Work From Home
@@jrknsOFF ty
PH? Pornhub?
There are two predominant kinds of remote workers:
1. The kind that will get wired into a problem and, at some point, realize the sun has already gone down
2. The kind that will take a bath on company time, then go prepare a "quick" snack, then quickly catch up on their emails before watching a video as a mini-break
"Software developers are basically a black hole of enthusiasm and human interaction" - I have never felt more seen in my entire life.
It's because they just don't know how to engage with us. There are things we are enthusiastic about and will readily talk a person's ear off about (I'd do it about tech advancements, science, games/strategy ... sometimes. once in a while), but our spheres of interest only just barely touch. Blegh.
Can you imagine forcing this particular guy to join in on something like a game jam or hackathon?
@@Abayas. I feel like you're not contributing to this conversation about my son's Wiffle ball performance.
@@Varadiio it's quite tempting to tell them that I don't care about his son in any way shape or form. Now he should leave me to do what I'm paid for
@@pencilcase8068STEM workers seem to know all too well, but humanities and social sciences don't cover this at all as far as I'm aware.
I don't think all liberal arts majors need to do STEM training obviously, but the culture of ignorance is depressing. In most cases, a frustratingly scattered and shallow course like survey of mathematics is their Bachelors or Masters requirement.
Network and security engineers also hate onsite as most of the gear, systems or users are not where you are anyway.
"They add absolutely nothing to the greater good or the culture of the business" ~ guy that has brian daamaage
Well the company does not pay its bills with culture, and if that monkey doesn't want software developers in his company then he can use carrier pigeons.
good point but im dying because of brian damage
@@cerulity32kSo how about "Saying he Has brain damage would be insult to people with brain damage" ?
@@crusaderanimation6967 ??? im talking about how he misspelt brain damage as brian damage
actually looking closer its *brian daamaage* which is even funnier
@@cerulity32k touche, i tought you literally die of brain damage and don't want to be assosoated with that LinkedIn guy.
He'll use an LLM, everything will break, and they will have to pay devs who are "expert proompters" to fix it/babysit the LLM.
"How are you founder and not an executive?"
"Just because you can think of an idea, doesn't mean you can maintain the idea."
I got my first tech job almost 3 years ago with no prior experience, been remote since and I’ve loved it. Learned a ton and my mental health has never been better.
Wasn't work done from home for most of human history? And if it wasn't done from home it was done within a few miles from home without a commute.
If by "home" you mean the 5sq miles around your hut. Yes.
What good is capitalism if people are free to work however they want under no pressure to slave away your time for someone,
@@aliyanpops6424capitalism is what got us to a point that we can work remotely
so happy to work from home. my old boss did RTO and removed half day Friday's. new place, I'm full time remote, 4 day work week, have more growth opportunities AND get paid more. made the switch in 2023
This is absurd! I work from home and am spending my time being productive!
Oh wait I'm watching this video.
If you work 3 hours, and then spend 0,5 hour having a quick lunch while watching youtube, I see no issue.
If you think you wouldn’t be distracted working from an office, you have brain damage
Jokes on them, it's lunchtime!
It's Friday, you're allowed...
hahahhhahahaha
Working in an office is completely pointless and wasteful of time and resources. Takes me a 45 min drive each way to commute. Stupid. Everything is online now.
Whatever you say, for introverts or night owls, remote work is the best possible thing.
There are lots of night owls or mid to hard-core introverts, who work a lot efficiently and with high productivity, when work as a remote developer.
Right there with you. I love working nights because everyone else is sleeping and therefore I don't have to interact with them.
Work 9-5 in the office, 6-10 at my home office, 11-2 in my bathtub, 2-4 in bed. I get home work and remote work, best of both worlds!
@@darrinito Night shifts, even in manual or onsite tech jobs was the best. Less traffic, less people, easily lose track of time, BAM night over and go home.
"software engineers are just trying to build stuff" -- 100%
Right? Isn't that what you(the linkdin author) are paying them for?
Managers hate remote work because it shows how their role is actually quite redundant.
“Let’s look at linked In”, yep I’m pouring a fresh one for this 😂
"I in fact hate my mods"
Strong start to the video here haha
The people who live in optimistic sales/management world tend to clash with those actually having to build working stuff.
Number go up.
This is why I work at places where software development is a profit center, not a cost center. When your salary and your work is seen as a cost on a spreadsheet, managers treat you accordingly. When you explicitly make them money, then they treat you well and just hope you don't take your skills and knowledge and compete with them.
I already find americans to be unnecessarily full of fake positivity, with a tendency to say a lot of things they don't actually mean, but imagining this guy's ideal workplace is scary. Just a bunch of people constantly praising each other, saying things like "Oh that's your cat? Oh I love it!", "So what did you do last weekend?", "Did you hear what Britney said in her last song?", and the quintessential "I know I say that a lot, but I *can't* work without my coffee, it's- no I swear! I don't know how people ever got things done before coffee".
I think he's British. Maybe not from there though.
@@loganmedia1142Seems to be Norwegian, per a lite web search
All of that sounds disgusting, I would throw up in front of people if I worked in a place like that
We have remote work "happy hours"
The key is its from 3-4 on Friday and completely optional. Dont wanna show up? Cool, start your weekend early!
They also have a monthly event somewhere with a real happy hour (again, 100% optional) at Top Golf, Main Event, Grabbing lunch somewhere (at noon and THEN taking the rest of the day), etc. it's actually pretty cool. Our managers REALLY try to keep it fun for everyone and are great.
10:00 - Re: the "secret to weaponizing autism"... I have been doing this for decades. Once I see people squirm from awkwardness, I go in even harder to push them over the edge. I grew up in Ireland in the 80's, when they weren't really doing autism testing, so I am undiagnosed (but very clearly Aspergers or similar). The unhealthy part might be that I actually derive satisfaction from pushing people over the edge and getting my way. Sorry, not sorry.
Hey, I work for large German corporation in Czech Republic, I can work remote 3 days a week, rest of the week I have to be in a office to sit at the same meetings on Teams with people that are in different locations anyway in some open office with constant interuptions... :D
Sounds familiar (other country though). Does the large cooperation's name start with an S?
@@carstenbohme8813 It does.
@@carstenbohme8813 It does.
Done that. It was totally idiotic.
In Polish we have term to describe what happen to people like this linkedin OP.
And roughly translates to "Peeled off from reality"
Weaponizing my sweatiness HARD here
Uplifting enjoyable place to work. Sounds like some ancient HR language
If I were 13yo and an older wise man in a fancy shirt approached me, I doubt I would find our conversation particularly enjoyable.
They're still the most productive employees, though. They're the ones actually building stuff.
Been working remote since Covid started and will continue to do so until I retire at the end of the next year. It's been awesome.
I guarantee you: this guy sits around posting on linkedin all day instead of doing anything useful for his company. He considers it a marketing strategy.
Company towns don't make their money on the resources, like oil, metal, or coal. They make their money on the ecosystem around the resource.
Drive our friends' cars, through our friends' tollbooths, to our friends' parking lot. Stop by our friends' cafe for lunch, use our friends' payment system, and take out debt with our friends' bank.
At home I have a dedicated, private office. I have a quiet work environment, free of the smells of other people's lunches. I don't need to stop what I'm working on and go outside every time I want some nicotine. I have food _brought to me_, so no need for a lunch hour. I have better equipment. Most importantly of all, I'm comfortable, because this environment has been custom tailored to my own needs. At the office I constantly watch the clock. At home, 5PM comes and goes and half the time I don't even notice. All this boils down to more productivity. I get more work done than the rest of my team combined. Why the heck WOULDN'T they want me to work from home?
That's what we're really getting to. It's just like our market capitalism where selling a product interferes with the primary objective: inflating the stock value. These elites don't know or care to learn how anything is made.
100% This guy starts an online beef with ThePrimegen.
Sometimes, when people "just grunt at you", it just means that you're the asshole.
I think in this guy's case it definitely means that. I've worked with people like him and any time they came round our area everyone was just counting the seconds until the idiot went away. It's not that we weren't sociable, but that we had no interest in wasting our time pretending to be friendly with an ass.
We do remote teambuilding on some Fridays, and it works great. The trick is actually liking your coworkers. Build a good culture and you'll be surrounded by good people.
Does this mean I have to go into Google HQ to edit my next video?
Remote work or no work indeed. The flexibility is so important to families, and each hour saved from transiting per day amounts to 5 hours per week, in a 40 hour work week.
Thank you for saying that about Tony, trying to have a social event like that over a teams call is the absolute worst, as you said, most social events would have people having a ton of micro-conversations all around, which is impossible over these types of meetings... But... It's a problem to solve, and a potential business idea. What if someone could create an online meeting and collaboration platform where you could say select one or a group of the participants and invite them into a temporary private room to have a conversation, then if one person in the private room gets bored and wants to go say hi to other people, they can just leave that private room and resume back in the main group meeting. This can actually be easy to solve with the proper technology, it's just that none of our current solutions can solve this exact problem.
Åh gud.. Of course he's a Danish nepo-baby. Looked up Christian Nellemann and found some articles in Danish about his dad, who by all means has had a fine career starting as a regular grocer, but yeah, his two sons are just riding his coattails, succession style.
Sooo last year, our company boasted about how all-around beneficial, valuable and important it is to outsource development work to low-cost countries.
This year, they're trying to convince the remaining local workers that our home-office situation is harming productivity, so they want us back in the office - except there's barely anyone there anymore, and most of the people who could be there, would just be on the phone all day long talking to those valuable low-cost workers abroad... the irony is unbeatable
I'll work from an office when I can be in just my underwear, have my pets, people are quiet, and not be bothered by my colleagues who feel entitled to my _immediate_ attention, apathetic to any disturbance it may cause to my working process
Author seems the kind of guy to go "HEY BUDDY! WHY AREN'T YOU SMILING!" 9am on a Monday
3:40 I'd kill myself if that ever happened lol
This guy's post really gives me "software engineers consistently prove me wrong and make me look like an idiot, so I like to hate on them to make myself feel better" vibes, and I'm here for it.
I really liked our remote hangout happy hours when we had those in my previous company. It was great indeed.
As someone learning to code I can confidently say I don't mind going into work since I would be a junior dev learning the ropes, but once I am out of that junior position you can believe I will be asking for remote.
I thought this was a poor attempt at reverse psychology. In his mind, he probably thought if he told engineers not to come, they would want to come to office out of spite or something.
Lol!! Thanks so much for this Prime,, Reallly needed this laugh today! 🔥😂🤩😍
Prime for the win! Those LinkedIn “takeaways” are cringe as hell 😂
As a software engineer, I won't work for an employer who doesn't agree the only thing for which I'm being employed is to make commits. Nothing much more to say.
My remote work coworkers either:
1. Are incredible teammates who work hard, make themselves available during the required hours, while also taking advantage of their positions flexibility to make their lives happier.
2. Wander their homes, mouth agape, hands at their sides and staring at the ceiling, doing nothing, never online, as productive as a dead person.
Regular "office" drone here. Remote work saved my mental health.
oh, I’m soooo glad he doesn’t like us ❤
You are a blessing to this world, thanks for the laughs
There's no one solution that fits every company and every engineer. If the company policy isn't to your liking, move on and find a match for you. Or vice versa, fire them and call it "trimming the fat".
If companies no longer find any developers that want to work for them cause of their policies, they will change their policies or cry on X about it: "nobody wants to work anymore". And if those developers don't find employment, they'll start their own companies or something.
I love WFH for many reasons, but one is actually having a comfortable workstation with the equipment I need. Comfortable temperature, lighting that isn't blinding and clinical, a chair that doesn't break my back, monitors that aren't like a decade old, a nice mech keyboard etc.
There are times when being in office will increase productivity. These are EXTREMELY rare. Day to day office is a productivity black hole, and software devs really actually want to make things and the office BS actually gets in the way of that. When I need to be more productive I work from home, my work AND my rest is more productive at home than in the office. There do exist things that being in office helps with, but 99% of them specifically interfere w/ what software devs want to do, and minifying them to only what is necessary is a huge bonus of WFH.
As a software engineer, I like to work from home because I am an extrovert and working from home gives me the ability to spend my time how I want, like volunteering in my community. In fact, I am sitting in my car right now and I took a meeting call from my car so that I could volunteer today.
When you are exhausted from work, in local work you can drink some coffee and socialize (ewww). In remote work you can play Elden Ring for 25 minutes and come back happy instead.
Software development is more than programming. So being able to contact and get help, maybe do effective stand-ups, but wider technical discussions are also useful. So no, developers are not just nerds in hoodies that grunt at you. At the same time, sometimes there's heads-down work that really calls for deep focus and getting stuff done. Put on your hoodie and drink lots of coffee, and work from home with notifications turned off if necessary. Going into the office certainly isn't needed for that. Although, it's not needed for effective collaboration either! We should be adept at using technology to collaborate effectively.
Agree with all this…unfortunately I get the feeling a lot of people commenting on this video don’t get the first part and just strive to be nothing but code monkeys the rest of their career.
lol I literally just got off my standup call where they brought up a virtual halloween get together over teams. Luckily I do actually like my team and it won't be that bad. But on previous teams I've been on, it would be an absolute nightmare.
Last time I went to a virtual halloween, we had a massive layoff afterward lol so much for team building
@@silverado_vila lol yikes. Guess it was a trick not a treat
I like my team, and mandatory virtual fun is torture.
@@Mystic998 Mandatory fun is always torture. I don't mind joining co-workers for drinks after work, but only if I have the option to say no.
remote hangout is so dumb
like, I'v got better things to do with my time
Software engineering will remain remote-friendly, because, just as much as we don't want to go into an office, everyone else doesn't want us to, either.
And if that statement isn't true, there is a solution - we all switch to arch (except me, I don't have to switch because I use arch btw) and the rest will take care of itself. And by 'the rest', I mean 'the smell'. The sweet, aromatic musk of my raw gnu.
I think this is my favorite content I've seen from you. 'weaponized talking autism' ahahaha... the guy talking about the 'moody' software developer when we all know we'd be wearing headphones with hoodie up just wishing to god that this particular guy doesn't try to interact with us... software engineers (builders) "contributing nothing to the greater good of the business"... it's so good. Perfect example of sales/hr side screaming into the void at the 'nerds' while engineers are on the other side wondering what they even do on the other side bahaha gotta have the chill execs to bring it all together
A better version of the happy hour thing would be to set up a discord server with multiple text channels and voice channels.
That way people can split up into multiple conversations.
And then let people hang out there when they feel like, rather than everyone being forced to interact with eachother through it.
Though you could set up *voluntary* events at specific times where you come together to do something together.
... this version could actually make it easier for some people with autism. as we don't hear the other conversations going on around us.
as a software developer, I agree with this CEO 100%. I don't want to hangout with software people - I rather hangout with sales and marketing people and tbh, I can't do work if I hangout at the office with sales and marketing because they love to talk (which is great btw) but as a dev we usually have waaaay to much stuff to do
My problem with work from the office is than I work in an outsource company, so almost everybody have their own client/project that is completely unique and all of our projects don't have anything in common. Because of that nobody has need to talk to someone new and if you try to small talk to anybody, it would look strange, because I am just wasting his work hours on some nonsense.
So in outsource company nobody has common interests, common problems, it's like everyone inside their online company, and the only thing that unites us are the badges with the same logo. The only people that I see talking and having a good time in the office, are the people that work in big teams and for the same client. They have a natural reason to communicate with each other.
Because of that I will start working from the office only when I will be in a product company.
It's amazing how you can tell from the comments who watched the video and who is just responding to the title
I just took a new job about 40 minutes from the house. After wfh for the last 6 freakin' years I told them expect to see me in the office 3 days a week. I actually miss, going outside and driving to an office. They have arcade games and shit why wouldn't I
Yeah for me having a specific work environment can be nice. Similar to insomnia where it's recommended to only lie in bed when you're going to sleep. The human brain is really good at finding and reacting to patterns. Although I don't think is an argument for forcing everyone to come in, because a lot of people do better WFH. IMO, let people pick, and look at their performance. Not individual personal anecdotes and opinions either way.
Also not everything's about productivity... If your life is bad because you have to sit in a stuffy office and commute 3 hours a day, why continue that?
One of the things I like about working remotely is being able to go sit outside in good weather. Take my computer with me and work outdoors.
If it's satire: Haha.
If not: Absolutely looking forward to join this guy's company and work closely together with him and his teams (which is also satire)
This mustache is on point. Someone build an app for the mustache.
About happy hours. I don't mind happy hours... but you need to do it during work hours on a Friday. Take the afternoon off. Start at 3pm until 5pm or so, any later than that is optional. Lots of managers like to do happy hour AFTER a full work day so it just adds two hours to the work day. Bonus if the business picks up the tab.
Sounds like the kind of person who walks into the office on a Friday and happy Friyay 🤧
Its that thing when someone is super serious while everyone else thinks at first that its just super funny and then you realize the douche is real and they are super serious. I give it minus six on a scale of genuine human interactions with people who are not paid to be your " friends".
im not a software dev but i've never gone to work to socialize. There are days where i don't speak a word to anyone at the office. I have a social life outside of work but i'm convinced some people don't