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Got to love it how he whispers "major", like not even giving him the respect.
Colonels get to talk to majors however they want.
It was June, 1968 when I enlisted in the Corps. It was January, 1969 when I landed in Da Nang. It was 22 February, 1969 when I took my third wound in the A Shau Valley with Alpha 1/9, commanded by Lt. Wesley L. Fox, MoH, died in November, 2017 may he rest in peace. My Platoon CO, Lt. William Christman died 22 February, 1969, Navy Cross (posthumous). Our Company Exec, Lt. Lee Herron died 22 Februrary, 1969, Navy Cross (posthumous). May they rest in peace. Forty two Purple Hearts that day...in one company. Every officer, including Lt. Fox was wounded...or killed. One day. And in August, 1969 I was put on medical retirement, a little more than a year after I had stepped off the bus in San Diego. I was 19. I remember it all. Fifty one years ago, last February. Just another day.
Thank you for your service. I hope you didn't go through all the VA hassle.
In your travels did you ever encounter a Gunnery Sergeant or lower Sawin? My Grandfather was enlisted in the corps around that time but he is dead now and I know little about him other than family stories
@@soundwave9414 I'm afraid I never met the man. Of course I was only a PFC and he was a senior NCO...we wouldn't have run in the same circles. But if he was there, then Semper Fi...A Marine Gunny has my respect.
@@donwild50 Thank you for your service
My father was a Marine during the late 1930's , the day I turned 18, he told me about service in the Marines, I joined the Army. A man has to know his limitations. :)
My dad landed in Vietnam in June 1968, he was assigned to III Corp 1st I.D. under the Command of Major General Keith Ware, (CMH WWII ) in Lai Khe , Bến Cát, Bình Dương Province, Michelin Rubber tree plantation. He was promoted to Sergeant E-5 with a command of 8 grunts under him not but a few years younger than he. He said, " Combat is your worst fear 10 fold." My father never talks much about the war, but the CIB, Bronze Star and Purple Heart with a oak leaf cluster on uniform says it all.
Respect to your father. I hope he's keeping well. Thank him for his service 🙏
@@kikionthetrailoflove7036 Thank you.
Clusters are for additional wounds received after the first one meritting a Purple Heart, right? Though there are also instances of military personnel receiving more than one Purple Heart, how is that determined?
@@mphlohi For separate wounds received . When wounded you get 1 PH, after that if warranted you get a oakleaf if wounded again.
I know how that feels. My own grandfather never talked about Vietnam. But his rank of Lieutenant Colonel along with a case of medals that include Purple Heart and a Silver Star say a great deal.
Powerful performances by an amazing actor.And he never even studied acting!!!
This was one superb and very underrated movie. I loved it, the chemistry between the two leads was just fantastic.
I love it! " Sixteen FUCKING minutes".
Hits hard.
well if u think omaha soldiers died before even get on the beach hes already clueless about that random 1 week haha
This is the best scene. Love when hes like "One week" What a nerd.
I think you mean POG
'REMF'. For all the uninitiated, it stands for 'Rear Echelon MotherFucker'.
Loved this film 😊
Let's be fair, here, I was a teenager when I saw this movie. I grew up watching Tour of Duty and China Beach. The ambush scene was my first exposure to how fast a normal day can turn real shitty and chew YOU and everyone WITH YOU up in a matter of SECONDS! Even IF you're doing everything right! However, I still think the best ambush scene, as far as Vietnam is related, and realism, was the one from Forrest Gump. The "popcorn flashes" of muzzles firing in the treeline, tracers whizzing by at a terrifyingly close...TOO CLOSE for comfort height and speed was unbelievably realistic. The M-60 gunner and his "A-gunner" blown to bits in an instant with a direct hit from either an RPG or (doubtfully) a mortar round was intense as well.
However, when this movie was made, virtually no one else of age to serve had EVER seen combat...not like that! So, it stands to show how little our generation knew about "REAL war". And what went on with Samuel L. Jackson and the NVA officer was probably spot on as to what would have actually happened if EITHER side had caught the other red-handed calling the shots. War is UGLY! Let's not get cocky and get into another one anytime soon.
@@hrdknox2000 Most people, don't have a damn idea of what war is like.
I was taught about when I was very young by my family, as they wanted to discourage me from ever serving, understandable knowing what my grandfather saw during WWII.
3 years in a siberian gulag, where your piss froze just as it hit the ground, your toes froze off and there's nothing to eat, and of course that ain't all he's been through.
In his diary at one page he mentions how he was transported in a truck and how it was filled with bodies burned to crisp, said the stench was nothing like he's ever smelled before, so unbearable.
So yeah I was pretty angry that one time when this swedish girl said that they should have a war on their own soil so they should know what the migrants feel and felt like where they came from. If she'd really know what horrors war bring she wouldn't throw that word around so lightly.
This was such a great movie. Everybody was perfectly chosen for their characters. Not the most accurate presentation of the military but it was entertaining.
I remember watching this with my dad and it was a rare time I ever saw him cry...
Dude, I had the same reaction watching Platoon with my dad and older brother. Never saw him cry before, nor after that. He was drafted at 19. Never met a tougher man. Taught us kids to not be whiners or pussies.
You ain't bleeding or nothing's broke, you ain't hurt - get back out there. Didn't matter which sport or a neighborhood dust-up - get back out there.
I never served; my friends and I were worried about a Gulf War draft. I was on the university golf team.
Sometimes I do feel like a pussy. Like I didn't serve my country. At 51 and 32 years later, I do still feel a sense of shame... I hope my dad would be proud of me and the life I never risked... 😥
@@kenhasibar2624George Bush never risked his boys in combat. Neither did the CEO of any oil companies.
Whoooooooooo! Shivers! Classic old school combat vet snubbing a young desk jockey moment. Effing classic.
Best Movie EVER. FANTASTIC ACTORS, DIRECTOR, SCRIPT, simply Brilliant!!!
OCEANQUEEN1 this really describes to me the difficulties plaguing the United States armed forces today in regards to any military action around the world the type of evolving rules of engagement difficult questions surrounding our military but need to be discussed to prevent any future Vietnam.
@Steve Campbell i totally get it i currently serve right now in US Army obviously infantry. Getting dirty is part of the game no arguments about that but the nature of combat has changed now you need to be mindful on collateral damage because at the end of the day we are fighting for someone else home.
@Steve Campbell there are no easy answers in war. Although its easy for us to dictate use force when we are not the one squeezing the trigger living with the concequences of those actions.
I knew the answer to the question and was waiting to see if Tommy Lee Jones character was actually going to tell him. It’s a under appreciated movie.
This movie exists for the sole pupose of discrediting everything you see and hear in A Few Good Men
That movie sucked
In a standard court martial when reading off the verdict results, do they read them in order from the least severe charge to the most severe charge, or the other way around?
@@mphlohi 16 minutes... is all I remember 🤷♂😂
My uncle Norman was drafted in the Air Force during Vietnam. He died December 25th, 2016. He was one of the bravest men I have ever known. I miss you every day Uncle Norman. You’re probably tending your garden in Heaven while having a nice cold beer. You deserve it. Thank you for your service. I love you. I’ll see you again someday 😢❤
...that prosecutor should be put in the front line and let see what he will do in the same circumstances... anyway, he is also a military official...
When you throw reality in the face of a pencil pushing officer.
There’s a big difference between those who read about Vietnam in books and those who survived it.
I did not like him! Guess he was a good actor 🤣
"those who have seen combat never talk about it
those who imagining it love to speak about it"
The Col. was WAY too restrained. I would have returned fire once I took fire. The fact that he waited until three of his men were down and he had been wounded, was incredible. Yes, innocent people were killed. However, if you're in a crowd that's firing on two squads of men what do you think will happen?
It does not matter, if you murder you murder. It should be punished. If not, you are no better than Daesh.
VonGrav I didn't know that nowadays war is pretty and pristine, and nobody gets hurt and everyone at the end of the day shake hands and go home. Wake up and smell the roses, war is not fun, war is not "PC" war is destruction, pain, and misery inflicted upon one man by another for some stupid reason. I'm glad things like this happen, sure it's awful what happened to these people, but take those pictures, burn them into your mind. Not so pretty ain't it? Good, maybe people will think twice before hitting the red button and unleashing holy hell upon one another.
let me get this straight: i could conquer the entire USA just by having enough meatshield in front of me.
Paronax this is probably exactly what went through bin ladens mind... be careful saying stuff like that man. That man got such a big head it drove him towards the end of insanity.
Exactly what is happening with Israel at the moment. Palestinians sending in civilians with guns. When they get shot... OOOH. Israel is so bad. They kill innocent people, and CNN is all over it trying to make Israel look bad. CNN... terrorist group?
One of my favorite military movies with 3 of my favorite actors.
The best scene in this movie was the very end when the Vietcong officer saluted him in the carpark
Such an underrated movie.
That Major is a straight REMF. Semper Fi brothers!
Yes but a great actor.
Semper Fi
R Lee Ermy: the Marine Corps will live forever so that means you will live forever!!!
Remf?
@@genghiskahn1989 Rear Echelon Mother F-----.
Brilliant film.
1 week? hot landing zone in vietnam? does the major have no common sense to at least say 1 day or something?
It's called poor screenwriting which is the case any time a writer insults the common sense of their audience.. Still a damn good movie tho.
@@bill2953 bro, the guy is essentially a jag. He didnt know combat. And grew up post Vietnam. Why would he know the horror our marines went through...
-DC1
@@thorondor4012 all he wanted was a win
@@thorondor4012 Fuck are you talking about? You too doesn't even know what combat feels like. DAMAGE CONTROL
@@spitfirelast8761 thats not his point. He's talking about the character
"Drop that prosecutor into a warzone and see what happens"
(Hurt Locker anyone?)
I always think of my father by birth saint peter. And the navy seals that got him through Vietnam- 1969
Great scene in a great movie!
Rules of engagement ,best film ever.
Very underrated film...
Funny how they treat a Vietnam example with such respect. Back then
They spat on the returning
Soldiers. Refused to let them in the VFW Legion
A week in a hot lz is pretty long. Like the landing zone is hot.. like under fire. So 16 minutes avoiding gun fire is respectable
My guess would've been 'about 10 minutes'. Hmm. Not good either way..
For some reason this reminds me of a friend of mine that was a combat vet in Vietnam. Once he told me that he had been shot twice and once wounded by a hand grenade, and the pain did not even come close to the toothache he was currently experiencing lol.
From what I understand, tooth nerves are their own class of WTF when it comes to pain. I don't remember why though.
adrenaline could have been a factor I think. I am not a medically qualified person, nor am I knowledgable about the pain of being shot as I never have been. just a thought.
Getting shot is .... forgive me but kinda funny. I mean it hurts a ton, but wasn't as bad as I was expecting. Felt like getting hit with a red hot sledge hammer right on your funny bone. Kind of an electric feeling, dr. said that was because of the nerve response. Wouldn't recommend it. But actually, the real pain was when I fell down and the broken bones left by the gunshot wound just under my knee ground together. Falling down on broken bones hurts ten times worse than getting shot.
Great scene! 16 fucking minutes! That is beyond belief! God bless the men that fought in Vietnam!! I can honestly say I don’t think I could have done it! Glad I didn’t have to. Shot out to all Vietnam vets and all vets! You are all bad asses
It's a great film
16 fucking minutes can be lifetime..... RIP Troops
"Waste the motherfuckers!!" -SLJ
Best scene
It was because the 2nd LT usually had a big white painted lines on his helmet that said shoot me on this LZ.
Plus from memory,
They came in "book smarts" and didn't listen to the sergeants.
And so tended to die quickly, by either enemy fire......
Or friendly grenades "accidently" not being thrown far enough......
16 minutes
The Vietnam war was a war we should never got into
And we lost
wrong our allies asked us for help and we won but our politicians where to much of pussies and they listened to the stupid protestors and pulled our troops out when given a few more weeks the us would of seriously won
@@matthewberg5835 I suggest you watch the you tube video
The Quiet Mutiny
Perhaps you are unaware tgat the “politicians” were elected by the people and did what they wanted
Were you in SE Asia then !?
I was
My own assessment was that the U.S. got involved with no clear direction on what their goals were, politics on both sides invalidating the focus of the war, and McNamara knowing the war was a no-win scenario but chose to commit instead of withdraw.
I welcome all viewpoints to the contrary in the interests of civil discourse.
if we are honest, the world would be a much better place if you weren't in any war.
@mathew berg, you are so right, i guess you would have problems finding vietnam on a globe.
How ca} you call something a win when so many young lives were lost on any side.
How coud you call anything a win remembering the pictures of burning running children.
Even if the war lasted another 20 years you couldant win
@@karlanal1 I have been to Vietnam several times most recently in 2000
I spent 18 months in SE Asia in 1969/70 non uniformed
My sister has lived in Cambodia since 94 I also visit her frequently
16 fucking minutes. And that’s all I remember.
Lol when he first asked him he said two weeks
Great movie
damn looked into the comment section to find out what the music was but found a dicussion about us armed forces
Greenkeeper 132 well these discussions do need to happen I personally welcome the discussions about our military because that's what's going to help us prevent any future tragedies like Vietnam even this global war on terror there no easy questions with answers but the solutions maybe found in talking about and championing them we owe it to our future warfighters and their families to do so.
@bobbyjoe9261 We lost a lot of junior officers in Nam' (one being the 2d. Lt.) because many of them were inexperienced and had to earn respect from their subordinates.
00:07 seven seconds
busterdog321 Seven fucking seconds.
nothing more true has ever been said
Epic ending.
Really going to go after him on a incident that happened 30 years ago and you think some marine is going to spill his guts and rat out one of there own to you.........good luck with that pal good luck.
Guy pierce played such a good prick.
Because in real life he is one.
Undercover anger I absolutely love it that is how you act and that is how you behave that is the military
Major got shook
Why did that major have such a HARD-ON to burn that colonel. Vietnam?? That was over 30 years ago. By hi doing what he did he saved a lot of American lives
I have not been succesful with communicating here. I explain- Vietnam war was a stage to extend life on the planet. But people here give the excuse "we did not take care of the veterans, because we believe on peace".. And I say "I just explained to you, that you and your family would not be alive and on the planet to this day, had we not extended life on the planet back in Vietnam.. Your excuses to be ungreatful- they dont go far. I have truly never seen anything like living on this planet. So many of you, you think you know it all.
To be fair... wouldn't the correct question be "Second Lieutenants *who died in action* + Vietnam 1968 + Hot Landing Zone"? Because some Second Lieutenants certainly survived, still live today and therefore would fuck up the calculated average of 16 minutes.
It's still a depressing statistic, but me being a fascist and all I really like my order.
Those surviving Second Lieutenants must have been REALLY good at not p!$$ing of the troops under their command. Because, rumor has it, those Second Lieutenants didn't die in action. They died due to friendly fire because, the orders of someone who hadn't seen a day of combat before showing up, were very likely to get every soldier under their command killed.
Got told a story once that a Second Lieutenant dropped into an active combat zone, and his first order was to tell the soldiers to field strip their weapons. In an active combat zone. Those officers tended to get shot by their own troops.
5 ⭐️ movie 🍿
He would have got off so quick today....personal body cams n camera phones technology would have showed,everything....now the media editing it is a different story...AWESOME MOVIE
This movie should be shown to how America is
Actually it was because in many cases the 2LT's thought they knew more than the Sgts and the Cpls who had been in the field and knew the tricks.
Also because officers have to lead by example: If they were to charge, they have to lead the charge. An honor-culture unique to British and American military.
Great actor I absolutely love Tommy Lee Jones
This was based on a true story, very intense.
Wow those new second lieutenants lasted longer than I do😳
actually it was around a week. You noticed he avoided answering the question which probably means he was guilty of some kind of infraction of the ROE, and possibly a war crime.
Werent we all? Remember, the ROE are enacted by politicians to cover their ass, not by the men who have to live and die by them.
I'm not even a marine and I feel like the character of the prosecutor was a disgrace, taking cheap shots, having no respect or regard that fellow marines are dead and doesn't consider that a good enough reason to take action, and that when he lost the case he still wants to find another way to prosecute the man for something that happened when he was still in diapers. Did they disclose in the movie whether or not he ever served in combat? Because I wouldn't be surprised if he never had, would just be the cherry on top the POS sundae.
Well in all honesty, he did say "I'm not a hired gun" and that he wouldn't seek the death penalty, he was really just doing his job, as the law required him to do. Granted he did constantly repeat himself, trying to reiterate over and over there were no weapons in the crowd to try to sway the members and witnesses.
Great scene, Love Tommy Lee Jones and big fan of Guy Pearce who is a fellow Aussie.
Second Lieutenants had a huge life expectancy compared to the radio operators, 5 Fucking seconds i shit you not
My uncle was a radio operator. He survived the Battle of Khe Sanh.
Desk jockey V warrior
I know this song
Mark Isham "On the Threshold of Liberty" there's a version for the movie and there is another version. I love that song because it is the most unofficial patriotic bit of music ever produced.
" meh",And Jane Fonda is your hero
compare medals ok i had a family member who served vietnam and the korean war aswell along with that he flew awac planes in gulf war he had over 30medals was in air force for 15 years or so and in marines for 10 years he died with rank of master sergeant.
Sure he did. First of all you're talking about a 40 year career in the military, from Korean War thru Gulf War. Then you say he flew airplanes and was in the Air Force and Marines for 25 years and got out with the rank of Master Sergeant. Literally none of these things are possible.He would have to be over 60 years old flying planes in the Gulf War(not happening). Enlisted service members do not fly airplanes. And there is a limit on how many years you can serve in the Marine Corps at any given rank. Also, 30 medals in two wars that only rated a few for your service, and maybe a handful from the Gulf. So unless he was Rambo himself, I find your story to be full of shit!
Tommy lee Jones
The vietnamese sure know how to sort them out fast and good. JIT style.
Contact busta to transport the end of the day starship buses
that ripped the sheet off the corpse
negative a witness is more likely to talk after 30 years! and since the average person was 20 at that time they are only 50 then. we had a 2 leuy that used a smoked mirror on a stick he layed on his back in the grass and directed fire ...he was awarded metal for his quick thinking.... he found several snipers in trees and directed fire to terminate the lil bastards....
I shared this already.. Thank god for friends and family. Imagine gods son, soul snatched by the dragon, pulled into the tank. The great destroyer about to hit earth. No way for his family to know that he was in the tank... Imagine how he felt- and then poof, like magic, pulled up to Sully for his daily 3-hour exclusive commitment. Heaven's king took presidency as the red grimore holding tank was under gods jurisdiction.. Few people knew that.. Gods son did not know that.. He was pulled up to Sully and able to notify him that he was stuck in the tank.. We immediately turned it back- we had to empty the entire tank to create hell.. Gods son was not in it this time, satan did not go for him again..
He saved his life in Vietnam
As powerful and chilling as that information is, it leaves me wondering how anyone can possibly claim they were winning that war. You had people in charge dying in less than 20 minutes of their first combat? What did they have, molds? They just pumping out xerox copies or something? I mean jesus H. 16 fucking minutes. And that was an AVERAGE, so they knew it from experience?
good movie about americas war crime's and playing the victim. Im sorry for all those young men who lost their lives under false pretenses and i only hope that the vets who were there understand what happened to them and why
Tell that to the 58,000 men who died in vietnam and the other 20,000 who were injured for life afterwards.
AMMW77 actually it's higher then that those disabilities are probably less severe but they are wounds that still effect them today especially adding in PTSD. When casualty estimates happen you can usually guess that the wounded will be roughly double the dead so around 120,000 Vietnam vets are suffering from some sort life altering wound or wounds.
tell that to all the killed,wounded, burnjt allive children in vietnam. what would you say if someone threw napalm bombs over lets say virginia doing the samer samaga zo civilians.
@@karlanal1 Your comment is meaningless and full of hate, it is unproductive and antagonistic. Be quiet and stop talking.
@@christianriddler5063 ignorance is a bliss
@@karlanal1 There is a lot of shit coming out of you.
The setting was Yemen, and the director is William Friedkin, who did "The Exorcist".... see the Atlantic magazine, April, 2010: "Yemen: The Most Dangerous Place on Earth" with a great two pg map of this hellhole, which could be the next US/NATO war theater.
The setting in the book was ancient vietnam. It has been over 8 years from your comment and you are still wrong.
@eustispanther lol i dont think they had a choice
16 mins, i don't believe this for even 1.6 seconds
@daytraderfbf Could have been a number of things, I haven't seen the film in years so I'll have to re-watch. I do recall before the trial him saying "I will take this case on good evidence, and good evidence only" so I think he was just tough but fair.
Remf
Was this the moment the phrase "owned" was made from? I want to think so
Ya, 16 minutes aint bad. Life expectancy for 0621s is 3 seconds bro
Why can't I find this movie at the Red Box?
It’s too similar to Bengazhi
It makes Bill Clinton look bad as his picture is on the wall as the embassy is getting shelled. And the other commenter is right it is too similar to Bengazhi. It needs to be shown because it has the best bit of music ever with Mark Isham's "On the Threshold of Liberty.
I think Major missed the 'hot LZ' part, that's why he said 1 week because I don't think a firefight lasts a week.
That's why he's a POG....but he does have his uses.
@@EdcelJannMCorre POG?
@@amartyaroy3754
Person Other than Grunt.
Non-Combat
Pencil Pusher
Life expectancy of an aerio-gunner in WWII: 19 seconds.
In 1968, a young man of draft age had a better chance of dying on America's highways than in Viet Nam.
You mean less a chance of dying in a highway?
You do understand that 1968 was the first year for a coupla things...the first test of the new and untested 'Airmobile' strategy, with it's main tactic of airlifting men into an area the enemy would choose to stand and fight for, so that we could then smash them with an overwhelming force of 'combined arms', in a setpiece battle in a time and place of our choosing, rather than taking casualties to that same force from endless ambushes and disappearing enemy forces. And the draftee military was taking over en masse for the volunteer force of aging professionals, many of whom had experience from both WW II and Korea, and had veteran leadership, as well, officers who wouldn't lead them into ambushes and get their packages shot off. The casualty count, be it daily or weekly, was not in the huge numbers that it was about to be, with Uncle Sam pushing hard into enemy controlled areas with that new and inexperienced army that would only learn through being blooded in battle. And stop shooting your mouth off about things you know less than nothing about. Do a little research on the ACTUAL B-17 missions flown from England to France, and later Germany. 19 seconds was probably the average time it took to finish laying a load of bricks in their shorts when they saw their first German fighters coming straight at them. And those are the members of America's 'Greatest Generation' whom we were burying during the 70s, 80s and 90s at a rate of about 1,500 a day. Not very many of them left, now, but you'd do well to find one who will talk about it and chat him up for a little while.
maybe in wars where you have the moral high ground you can justify that shit but they did not and never hat
His point is valid,AMMW77- I would not disrespect it....and this comment comes from a person who has a BROTHER on that wall in Washington.
I also have a dad who did TWO WARS - Korea and Vietnam and two other brothers with a combined 8 tours in the Sandbox and the Stan.
So tell us is their life expectancy any lesser because of the war they fought.
Just wondering.
if i ,may ask, whay did your family go to wage war in the first place
I'm gonna go on a rant real quick. The real ucmj needs to be reformed. The people who run it are only interested in their careers and will do everything in their power to get a conviction. The biggest example i can think of is the on-going trail of navy seal eddie Gallagher. Donut operator has a good video on what's happening
It's a real disgrace what they did to Chief Gallagher, but thankfully good men and women did their jobs correctly.
with a pencil.....with a fuckin pencil............
My correction 300,000 men who were injured
proudly republicans!
haha fuking love that scene
Not the final scene
Soooooo thoes two framers didn't go to prison?
A 47 second video with a full 15 second forced ad! 😳🤔
16 FUCKING minutes