Soft is Long? // Wilson Duo Soft+ Golf Ball Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Testing the Wilson Duo Soft+ against the Titleist ProV1 to see if their distance and ball speed claims are feasible - both at average and fast swing speeds with three different clubs.
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Just as I start to think I understand something someone throws a curve ball in there. Amazed how slow 93 MPH looks when Matt does it and how fast it feels when I am still short of it.
LOL I was thinking exactly the same thing Adrian. He has to dial back to an almost half swing and looks like he is doing a drill.
Ok
I mean, at this price point, dont we have a clear Winner for the average golfer and below?
BTW, I just picked up some Duo Soft balls, the 29 compression version. I have very average swing speeds, and mostly play a short Par 3 course, and often in the morning when it is cold. I was all alone on course this morning, so I played 3 Duo Softs and 3 ProV1 off each tee shot. I've never hit a ball with so much feel before. The Duo felt incredible on short 7-PW shots. As suggested by the TXG data, I actually gained a little distance with the Duo. I was consistently 3-5 yards over what my Arrcos data suggested playing more normal compression balls, over 250+ rounds on this course. A higher launch with less spin was pretty obvious. And something I never thought about, but what a difference off the putter face too. Much more of a soft thud versus a hard click. After testing for a full round, I played a normal round with the Duo, and shot a personal best at 4 under.
I LOVE the Wilson Duo Softspins. Great ball. $22 a dozen but has better spin than the regular Duo, I believe they are 3 piece instead of 2.
I play off 11 and have a tested genuine driver swing speed of 88mph. As part of a recent test of 9 balls across a couple of weeks, I tried the duo soft and the first glaring difference was that I was half a club longer with 8, 9 and all my wedges, and it comes off the face beautifully soft and it spins well enough to stop within a yard or two, even with a 7 iron. With my driver and woods, it was as long as pretty much all the others that I tried, so the TXG test at 95 is probably a bit misleading, possibly inappropriate, in terms of offering a proper result. I must say that I prefer to play the Titleist Tour Softs, because of better spin on my chip shots, but the Wilson Duo Softs were definitely the biggest surprise to me in my test, as they were the cheapest ball I tried (in Western Australia), and were among the best in terms of results for me. The reason I’ve offered this comment: don’t let the Wilson name or the cheap price turn you off, the Duo Soft is an excellent choice for those that like a soft feel and have more moderate swing speed. To me, ProV1s do feel like rocks, so if you have similar experiences do not hesitate to try the Duo Soft, you will be very pleasantly surprised.
I’m a 4 handicap. My driver speed is 105mph.
Played this ball this week rather than my normal Srixon Z star.
Tied my lowest round ever, 73.
Loved the feel of this ball! In fact I laughed out loud after the first ball strike.
Slightly less check up around the greens, but not enough to effect scoring as long as you’re playing for it.
Full swing 7 iron stopped on the greens perfectly.
I believe a lot of good players would be surprised trying this ball.
Finally somebody makes a quality review on these balls. I play two golf balls, tp5 and these guys. I tend to play these balls during morning rounds and colder days as I am usually a little more stiff and the compression helps. I love the feeling smashing these with short irons though, feels like you are crushing it :) I do tend to see the lower / straighter ball flight like you mentioned. My swing speed is around 107 and for me I don't notice a big difference with driver, a few yards less maybe. I think for the price you honestly can't beat it. I score just as well with these as i do tp5 and prov1 so why spend 2x as much :/
FYI guys, I don't know if this exists, but I would love a breakdown of Matt's swing. I really like the look of it, seems patient and powerful :)
Very interesting gentlemen... Unfortunately, my "average male swing speed" looks like it almost put Matt to sleep, but, I'm still a proud 62 year old grinding away on the courses, attempting to use information provided by my free coaching from TXG !! Thx Ian, Thx Matt, it's always interesting!
Matty chipping his driver as far as I carry mine 😭
"Average male swing speed"...
Matt: *barely swings*
Zachary Milos His swing efficiency is ridiculous!
And ever sadder (for me) is that Matt is more accurate with his driver than I am with my PW!
Lettuce- exactly the same 😂
I can crank it up to 112mph and I feel sedentary compared to Matt. Crazy.
Looked like a chip shot. Flys 230.
I feel personally attacked.
Played 4 rounds with the Duo Soft + and been very impressed. Picking up extra yards (in particular the driver) with all clubs with minor loss of spin with mid to short irons. Normally use Chrome ERC. Play off 8 with a swing speed of < 100mph. The best thing about these balls is the feel around and on the greens. The soft feel gives you confidence to hit it firm and get it close
The Wilson made a good account for itself for the price, given the market it's aimed at.
Q-Star / AD333 next please?
Love how Matt's 94mph driver swings looks like he's just chipping the ball.
Test the Wilson Duo Professional. 60 compression, 3 piece urethane cover. Best of both worlds for us mere mortals with avg to slightly higher swing speeds.
Currently using Wilson dx2 soft ball which are 29 compression
These babies are the longest balls I've ever used at my swing speed
Nice video. I've been using the dou soft since last season and I live the way it feels. Tried the prov1 and they felt like a rock compared to dou. I'm not a fast swinger, but I couldn't tell much difference in distance between the two. So the dou soft is my new ball. Just love the way it feels, and I'd personally prefer a good feeling ball over what might be a little longer ball that feels like I'm hitting a rock. Just my opinion. But that's what I prefer.
Jeremy Colston but you are sacrificing a lot of spin with the wedges even though the duo feels better it isn’t spinning nearly as much.
Can you guys compare the Left dash -ProV1x verses the AVX. I am a player that swings the driver around 105-108 mph but i average around 3000-3300 spin. My driver is a G400 lst w/ Fujikuro pro 2.0 6x shaft. My attack angle is around -1. Due to body injuries changing my swing is not gonna happen. Im looking to find a golf ball to lower my spin and not sure what to buy. Thanks for all your help and everything you guys at TXG do.
Yes, video later this week
I have been using the Wilson DX2 for a while now and my irons go longer than than with a titleist Pro v ball but with a driver about the same . they are much better to putt with also. Great video again guys.
You should check out Volvik Vivid Golf Balls. Would love to see the performance difference between Wilson Duo Soft+ and these. These golf balls explode off my G410 irons but hit like butter! Any chance you could do this review/comparison? If not, you should at least get a sleeve of the neon Red ones. Guaranteed to be seen in ANY type of sky conditions from bright blue to super grey. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
Perfect, I love these types of results. If I'm looking for more distance off the driver from a ball, this ain't it! TXG undoubtedly the best golf related channel anywhere, thanks guys.
At $20/dozen vs $44/dozen for the average golfer I think the test was superb. A 100 mph driver swing was equal in distance in both balls but on lower irons if you can pick up 8 yards per club it makes it a no brained. A thousand rpm less doesn't mean anything from 100 yards out. We are not trying to spin the ball backwards and off the green. I'll take an extra 8 yards off my wedges at 8800 rpm vs 8 yards shorter at 10,000 rpm. Both balls will stop but I may be able with 8+ more yards be able to hit a PW vs a 9 iron and increase the backspin.
As a newbie, I made the choice for the Duo Soft Plus. The idea of hitting a ball that feels like a rock isn’t my idea of fun. Great overview guys !!
There’s something satisfying of feeling the ball on the club as a bounce rather than a dead feel.
I seriously hate hard balls. Like hitting marbles
Looks like the Duo soft stays with the ProV1 and holds the green for less than half the price and you get that sweet feel
I know you get inundated with requests but it would be great to see the Duo Professional version (urethane cover) vs the new Taylormade Tour Response. You could also add the Q Star Tour into the mix... Keep up the awesome work guys!
This is great! No one else is doing this kind of test, so thank you. I wish somebody would do a real test some of the top-selling ionomer/cheaper balls at average speeds. MGS would never do it, of course. But maybe someone else? Perhaps a couple of dudes with time on their hands...?
I was thinking to myself while watching this, I hope Matt hits some at around the 100 mph speed and he did. Thanks boys. Nice to know you realise golf isn't only about the Matty's and #TeamAl of the world.
Would be interesting to see a slower swing speed with a 12-13° driver. Some one around that 125-130 ball speed with a 17-18° launch and 2000 spin would produce ideal carry numbers for average joes.
“Average male golf swing”, Matty boy goes baby 3/4 swing LOL! I bursted into laughter on that one. Well done lads.
Yeah I felt off the chair with laughter when I saw that swing
I found the exact same results on the course. 9ir/wdg's +5yrds minimum. Driver -5-10yrds. Great review.
whats your driver SS? I am around 103-108 and was wondering if this could work for me. ever since changing to kirkland ball i hit every single clubs at least 10-15 yards short, i dont like it.
@@adl9705 100mph +/-
I’ve been gaming these and I really enjoy them. I’m a 17 handicap and swing my driver about 93 mph. Great ball for the price.
“Next on the tee, Dirtydog” 😂 Great video fellas, see you next month for my fitting!
Great research into golf ball behaviour. Cheers
Love the golf ball reviews & comparisons, keep em coming!
Please don’t do that 95mph swing speed thing again !
I carry my driver 250 so I must have 95mph but when Matty demonstrates it, he looks like he’s swinging for a flop shot with his lob wedge 😂
Way to give a guy an inferiority complex !
Great video guys ! I love the channel...looking forward to more in depth testing of new stuff.
I am just goin to say what we all are thinking..... Matt having to swing like he is in slow motion to get to our normal swing speed is very frustrating
Great video boys..I have seen 5 -7 yards carry difference with "slow" speed swingers on 7 iron shots and below. By slow I mean 60mph 7 iron speed but the feeling gives them lots of confidence. More of these please....
I've used wilson dx2's for over a year and like the feel off the putter and I've hit some of my longest drives. I've bought them mostly on a 3 for 2 deal so get them for close to £10 box absolute bargain in my opinion. I play off around 20 so losing the odd ball is not so bad :-)
Could you loft up to a 12° driver, or higher, and utilize the lower spin to increase distance?
Tywithay absolutely you could. Increase spin loft = increased spin.
Can’t see what’s not to like for us normal players. The dispersion off Matt’s driver outperformed the pro v1. I would have never know about this ball if you guys didn’t put the work in on it. Great subject, many thanks.
I'm overwhelmed with the imagery of Dr Evil. "Prepare the BloisBot! Setting 94mph."
I tried the Duo Soft last year. I didn't experience significant distance gains (senior swing speed of about 85 mph). The real down side of the ball to me was chipping around the greens. I felt as though even my good chips did not "grab" the green like some more expensive balls. I like the Srixon Q star quite a bit for my senior game.
So could this be a ball for the older ladies at my club, ladies who struggles to hit their driver more than 120 yards?
Guys, I wish you would test the Wilson Staff Duo Spin (2014 year model) golf ball. It has a 35 compression and is a 3 layered golf ball. Could you test and compare it with a Titleist Pro V1?
Interesting! distance gain in an iron or a wedge gets cancelled out with distance lost in a driver for a high swing speed player like Matt, but for a low swing speed player, or average golfer, if it can provide distance gain in iron and wedge with a comparable distance off the tee, it seems like wilson duo is a winner. The question is whether a slower speed player will see a gain in iron or wedge, but i think they will, because that’s the regime where energy transfer isnt maximized at impact due to higher loft, and difference in swing speed will not have same effect in those club as it would for a driver. So if matt were to swing his 7 iron at 80mph instead of his normal swing, i think he will still see 5-7 yards improvement. If you look at it wholistically from tee to green, i can see how the ball can provide 5-7 yards gain for average golfers.
Thoughts?
sounds like a fair assessment - depending on the spin profile of the player, there could be benefits to overall distance at slower swing speeds.
Hoony Hoony the tradeoff here is you are likely to have less spin (and control) on short game shots as this is not a urethane cover so you gain some but you also lose some.
kennykoalabear makes sense. I am interested to see how the spin will differ on half pitch shots or around the green. For wedge shot, i am not sure if 1000 rpm difference in 10,000rpm makes a huge different. It may equate to couple inchs of difference in backspin after landing onto a green.
I am a big wilson fan. I have a set d7 irons. Only question is how durable is this ball?
Don’t think this is urethane cover. It’ll be the Duo urethane you wanna compare.
Was Matt using both of his arms to lower his swing speed under 100mph? I doubt it 😂
Great video guys !
To reach the average male swing speed Matt has to chip a driver 😂
Duo's are my go-to ball when the temperature drops below 10C (in late fall or very early spring). I play Z-Star and Pro V1 during the summer but don't like the feel when they are cold. I played earlier this year at just above freezing with a Duo and Z-Star (had the course basically to myself) and the Duo performed better. I don't get that crazy side spin with it so it ends up on the short stuff and the carry is the same. Its not as good a ball on the green but that time of the year the greens are a crap shoot anyway. And it comes in bright matte colors (red is my choice) for those low winter sun days.
My swing speed is only 75mph is this a good ball for me perhaps?
Matt’s average guy swing was so disrespectful hahahahahahahaha
😆 it was working though
At 95 mph both brands went the same distance. What I found interesting was that at 2.4 MPH slower the DUO went the same distance. How is that not relevant?
It matters where he hit it on the face.
Matt is a human robot. "so we'll go for 94 mph, if we can do that, for the average male swing speed".....first shot out of the gate, 94. What is this human sorcery?! 7:30
Thank you for making this video. I’ve tried Wilson Duo Soft+, I just love the overall soft feeling in driving the ball and especially so in putting.
I always enjoy your videos. I play the Wilson Duo Soft. Combined with my Wilson FG Tour Forged or my 716 MB it is an odd feeling to have no feeling on the strike. Regardless, I have told everyone I know they are simply longer. I do not know of a reason to not play this ball besides ego. I am 50-years of age. As with most golfers, I have played great golf in my life and terrible golf. I shot a 31 the other day (par 35). Besides making putts, the difference was using a 5 iron with the Wilson Duo Soft on two of the par 3s that play 182-190 or so. I have played those holes a million times. I think I gain 5-6 yards of carry with the Wilson Duo Soft. A 5-iron becomes a choice for me. That helps lots at least mentally over should I use my 4-iron or my 4H. I am sports psychologist, so I need all the help I can get.
Marc Lochbaum one loss is the amount of spin in the scoring zone off wedges. If you play firm greens and need help with spin the Wilson might be a bad option.
Matty's out here taking chip shots with the driver to get 94mph club speed lol
I have been using the 29 compression duo soft they are a great ball for my 90 mh it does sound odd but I can live it
There are a lot of golfers, i.e. everyone retired in Florida, where this $20 is a perfect golf ball. Their 65-90mph iron to driver speeds will not over compress this ball and they never generate enough speed / launch to get peak heights of 33m with 45 degree land angles on any club except a teed up wedge that this type of ball will give them 2-3 yards longer per iron and their driver distance will not be affected. It's a perfect senior's golf ball and new player ball that probably 50% of all actual golfers can play. The AVX is just a better version of it made with more premium materials designed to more serious 90-100mph driver swing speed players. The challenge I personal face when I occasionally play the AVX is remembering that I have to remember all my irons fly 5 yards further.
Review the Wilson Duo Professional golf ball.
What are the club delivery characteristics? I'd say with a 12 degree driver the wilson would outperform the prov1 due to lower launch and higher spin from prov1 vs higher launch lower spin for the slower swing speed. Agree?
Dude! This is no brainier the price is half cheaper and we are not play for living go with wilson all day
Hi TXG, does this mean that this ball would suit a lot of female/slow speed male amateurs? Awesome content as always. Thanks!
Great video!! Are you guys going to do the 2020 Bridgestone Tour B X vs the Pro V1?
Matt's 90's swings look like a chip and run when compared with his normal speed! 🙂
Will allowed miss the Maxfli HST balls from the 1980's. Those balls where do hot compared to the Titleist balata balls. Can they still be purchased?
Very cool test ! 😀
One thing I am curious about that didnt get too much attention in the video: Dispersion on the 7i 👀 Less spin = less “sidespin” = more accurate?? :)
that's just from the selection of shots we hit, would be swing related. More spin is generally going to keep the ball more on line, not less spin
TXG Tour Experience Golf ah OK Got it. Thanks for reply and keep up the great work 😀👌🏼
is something wrong with Ians mic? sounds a bit robotic or doubled.
thisjustanother sounds like he is in a tin can
"About 94mph of we can do it?" proceeds to hit the number on the nose. This guy!
What would happen if you play one lenght irons. With slower club head speed with all irons. Could be a game changer.
Couldn’t even consider it because it sounds like you threw a wet sock against a wall. But results are interesting
Lefty has the smoothest swing ever! Make
s 95mph look stupid easy! He can crush!
Since we're on lower compression here and have Matty dialed down, how about checking out a Callaway claim? It's Supersoft comes in regular and magna size balls. Will the magna really do what Callaway claims compared to the regular size? It could matter for some of us old guys.
I think harder balls activate the springiness of the driver face more.
What about a test of Wilson Staff Duo Pro?
its obvious that a pro v is your favorite ball. why dont you show swing speed. he always swings faster with the pro v
It seems like a great golf ball for the average swing speed player. I can see it fitting well with a lot of senior and female players looking for a few extra yards with their iron game. Definitely a golf ball to try. Another great video from TXG!
Works great with any swing speed...did u watch the video?
Is it a great ball when you’re too drunk to swing hard?
Have you ever done a similar test with the Titleist Tru Feel? If not would like to see that.
looks like your swinging harder on ever pro v . try showing the difference in swing speed.
If you spun your driver to much do you think these balls would help. Thanks.
Barely swinging the driver at 95. That would be my normal swing and pull some muscles here and there. lol
What I like is I can buy 2 boxes of Duo for what one box of Pro V1’s are.
I've to say based on the data I see on low rate of return on golf balls. I don't understand why any manufacture would even invest in golf ball innovation especially with the low market has companies like Vice, Warrior, Kirkland, Nitro, etc.. While on the premium side of the house you have 3 to 4 major players that control the market (Pro V's, Callaway Chrome Soft, TP5, Bridgestone, and Srixon).
Can you guys test the new Q Star Tour?
What about the Wilson Urethane Professional ball? I'm literally looking at a stack of 5 dozen golf balls I plan to review personally here sometime soon, Project A, Q Star Tour, MTB-X, Tour B RX, DUO Urethane. Love the reviews.
Would have liked to see Matt turn the loft up on his driver to see if it would carry same as Prov 1????
I did this test lat year with the Bridgestone Tour B X and the Tour B RX. (Swing Speed is right on the cusp at 105mph per their ball fitting.) Findings were very similar. Was easily and consistently a club longer on the irons with the B RX but lost that distance off the driver. Liked the feel off the RX a lot better and home course is soft and fairly short that doesn't require the bomber drives but does have a few long par 3's. It was also a club longer then the B XS but I think that difference is do to spin as compression between the 2 balls is very similar. Essentially I have realized that I could game any of the Bridgestone line and a lot of it comes down to the course I'm playing as conditions on public courses seem to wildly fluctuate. Soft and slow I game the RX. Hard and fast I game the B XS.
Side note: It's not fair that Matt looks like he is hitting a short pitch shot and drives it 250. DEMORALIZING! Lol
from my point of view, you should compare similar balls. W/S Duo is a 3 piece ball and it should be compared to NXT for instance. Please do the same test using W/S FG Tour. This is the ball to be compared with V1! Anyway great video!
I play with Wilson staff Zip. I get plenty of controllable spin around the greens. Less than prov1 but I can still control it. Sometimes I prefer slightly less spin. Descent angle helps. I do see a gain in most yardages. Now if I am warmed up good and striking good with a driver. I do switch to a prov1 just because I know I’ll get more out of it. Just really depends on the hole I am playing. I am using rogue driver and Wilson tour V6 irons, and Ben Hogan/ Cleveland wedges.
Interesting coverage. I play the duo and I like the ball in terms of look, feel, sound and price most certainly. It would be interesting to see an actual slower swing speed player test the balls with you guys. As far as the driver goes I’d be interested also to see the slower swing speed player use an appropriate driver for them fit for them. Maybe a less stiff shaft and a 10.5 degree head. Or something there a-bouts for the “Everyman” out there.
as a longer hitter. low comp balls like duo and maxfli soft etc. my short irons fly way to far too. my longer shots fly normal...and my top drives are hurt by the soft compression. basically it turns my pw into a 155 club and drives into 285. instead of 135/140-300..... not for me. although i have found chrome soft just feels dead/stable....i shoot well with the chromesoft even though i know its not long. feels consistent...not jumpy on easy shots.....rather have chrome soft then the long snell mtb-x that felt unstable to me.....my go to ball is z-star. only the yellow was more vibrant. its like a dull faded leaf out there.....hard to see..
At 95 mph, they went the SAME distance off a driver. Why all the hate for when the loft decreases? And at his redic 120 mph, it went 2.5% less off the driver. It seems to be a good, low-spinning ball for the average golfer. It is a very crowded field, as you found in your 2018 comparison.
Hi guys I found in the past when using the dx2 was one time it would go 100yds with wedge 90% of the time the rest it seemed to go all different distances it wasnt consistent could this be the same ⛳🏌️♂️🏴
Today I played a Wilson i wound golf ball and WOW. It blew me away. It kept up with my Bridgestone Tour B X. It did not spin as much on the greens but absolutely has shot stopping abilities. Do you guys know any specs on this ball? Any information would be hepfull Thanks.
Would love to see this test at 80-85 mph driver club head speed
It’s not going to be much different, we had some shots in that range during the test and efficiency numbers were still lower
Have you tested the Duo-U or the new Staff Model balls?
Great comparison review. Still too many golfers who this ball is targeted at will thumb their noses at it. I play with many people that can't really take advantage of the Pro V1 but still insist on playing it. One lady golfer who is at least a 35 handicap says Pro V1 helps her game and won't play "cheap" balls. All in all play what you like in the price you're willing to lose. I (15 hdcp) play the Wilson Elite Fifty, mainly so I can easily identify my ball amongst all the Titleist played in my group and that ball is fine.
I am so psyched for this video! This is my go to ball but it is because I play persimmon woods and I don't want the harder balls possibly cracking the wood. So this will be very interesting...............
I have tried to play the pro vs and cally chrome soft but they feel like a rock compared to the supersoft balls. I just can't game the high spin balls due to feel. I play off 6 and this last year have turned to soft balls including srixon soft feel , srixon ultisoft, wilson staff dx2 and cally supersoft. You just can't beat the feel of a soft ball on a wilson staff d7 forged iron 👌 i spin the ball high off driver and irons and have a high ball flight so don't need the big brand high spin balls
So on carry alone the Duo Soft is shorter by 1 yard. BUT in total carry Duo Soft 4 yards longer than PV1. ( duo soft total carry: + 6yrds wedge + 6yrds 7i - 8yrds driver)