Same here. Yowana’s approach: - Hands on - Getting more inventory to compare - More interested in the content than the production. Really does deep-dive - Sounds unbiased - Is like a podcast or conversation - Is more academic, you can tell he has a methodical structure to the discourse, incorporating all the variables. Example: he runs miles and miles every week and proves he tests the shoes to death - More close resembles a “Run Testers” approach Dare I say something like the “thinking everyman’s/everyperson’s” reviewer Ah! Before I forget, among the few if not the only one who finished 6th in a marathon recently, walks his talk about high mileage yields best results.
demoor's shoe reviews contradict all the time. one review he says i would like this to have more outsole for durability and i don't mind a bit more weight. next one he says i would put less outsole to make it lighter. i like yowana and whatmatterstomatt because they bring the shoes to hundreds of miles. not some who says shoes are good after 10mi then the following year when new model comes, say they didn't really get along with it but the new model is better
The podcast thing, i think about paying for yt premium just to be able to turn the screen off and listen on the run. Half the time i listen more than watch anyway. Always something to do
Always watch your vids with my morning coffee here in the uk and really enjoyed the few relaxing minutes of thunder and rain you kept in todays video 👌
Regarding the podcast question: - Your video format is already like a podcast. Many of us already use your videos to listen while running -because of the long format- - Would tweak little details like “referring to what you’re holding in your hand, looking at or talking about “ in verbal…so we can visualize while listening. - Agree your bandwidth is full already. So not efficient to cram something else, just build from the already existing long-type format. - Charlie would be pissed if you add something else to the mix. Gotta keep the family balance. - Am already paying for TH-cam Premium so I can listen w/o watching, therefore wouldn’t be paying for the podcast model.
I always appreciate your comments and thanks for looking out for charli 😂 great point about TH-cam premium too. I'm going to start suggesting that to folks. Also some of the subscription money goes toward channels you watch so it's another way to support 🙌🏽
Love the Mach6. The ride is so frickin’ smooth. Saucony shoes, unfortunately, do not work for me with the exception of the earlier Kinvaras. I always go in with high hopes and come out with knee or hip pain. I guess this is why we have so many brands and models - everyone’s different! Love your channel, btw. Thanks for always giving such great reviews!
I like the wide option from Saucony. I currently have the Triumph 21, and the Tempus as my daily trainers . I use the Speed 3 for various workouts . I will say I just retired my Triumph 20’s at 300 miles. Best shoe ever for longevity .
How do you like the Speed 3 as a wide footed runner? Just broke in a pair this morning for a quick interval workout but curious as to how the upper feels during longer runs/efforts.
Are you planning on reviewing the triumph 22 when it comes out? The upgrade in the foam alone looks sick! Keep up with the awesome content btw. Your channel deserves the growth that it's been receiving!
Huge fan here from Brazil. U have the best reviews in YT for taller little bit havier runners. Waiting for the Saucony Tempus review. The UK runs tester chose the Tempus over the glide and even the triumph
I have the new nimbus 25 great shoe for me to start off as a heavier runner. Took back 1080s not stable enough for me meh on the nova blast. Love my ride 17s not too mushy as a heavier runner wanting to pick it up just hair and not to hard on the joints. Rebels may be the next pick up on the next go round. Thanks for the great reviews i love full feature films 😂
The Saucony Ride 2 TR is available now. Seems to be essentially a Ride 17 TR. That should have better traction due to deeper lugs. It also has lace eyelets instead of loops which should improve durability and lock down. Its also a GREAT looking shoe! Price? £135
I have that exact Pegasus and I think it literally is right up there with the absolute worst feeling/performing running shoe I have owned in the last 10 yrs. I turned them into "yard shoes" after about 5 runs and I can't even stand to wear them in the yard. The Saucony R17 is really interesting me after your review. I have the Endorphin Speed 3 as well and I have really enjoyed that shoe with the carbon plate. It feels very similar to my Vaporfly 3 - which I really love.
If you're looking for that bounce like the speed 3, the ride 17 will probably be a bit firm for you. The closest shoe I've tried to that speed 3 bounce feel is the hoka Mach 6
I have almost 300 miles in the Ride 17. I'm 5'5" and 122 lbs and feel the midsole gives more back with heavier runners. I feel the most from it when I put more into the midsole, like going downhill. I have a narrow foot and do not like the lacing loops and cannot get a good lockdown. The tongue on the left shoe always slides over and down into the shoe on the lateral side. The midsole feels firm and is best for moderate paces for me. The upper feels a bit too wide for me. I think durability is high overall for the shoe. Note: I am about to hit 600 miles on Triumph 20 and prefer them over the Ride 17
These are the kinds shoes that have led me to much better everyday shoes..too heavy,too hot,too hard,not comfortable..I switched to shoes like Topo spector, rebels, NB elite V3..lighter,more breathable, comfortable..the Topo spector is my favorite unknown shoe..I would ,and do,rather use it more than almost any of the " better" shoes on the market including most of the super shoes..I have 2 pairs that have a lot of mileage on them and the durability is great..I have never seen a podcast that I could watch for more than a couple of minutes..it always tickles me how some guys can't focus on your video for more than 5min..fortunately you-tube is chock full of manufacturers ads for short attention spans..another great video tho I have no interest in bricks masquerading as running shoes..😂😂😂
I tried both the ride 17 and triumph in the store back to back. I personally found the triumph better than the ride. The ride just felt a little firmer than what I wanted in a shoe. Even though the foam was the same it felt softer and more responsive in the triumph, got them, and I just keep wanting to reach for them every time.
@@tomdimarco9230 I tried the 21 in store but purchased the 20 and have been using those. I didn't notice much of a differnce between the 20 and 21 for what its worth.
You mentioned the “major brands”. Would be cool to see you try something like Atreyu or No Bull runners. I tried the Atreyu racers a few years back. They weren’t horrible.
I'd be curious to see a comparison with the Craft Pacer. On paper, they seem really similar, except for the weight. Also, Seth James DeMoor was doing some type of crowdsourcing for durability on his website. I'm not sure exactly how but it could be an additional way to attract more traffic to your website.
You should totally try the under armor infinite pro it’s actually amazing as someone that works at a fleet feet it’s my favorite daily trainer compared to everything we carry in store. It’s 130 dollars as well
I just received my Invincible 3 yesterday and ran 8 miles in it. Not sold on it yet. It seems wide and a bit large. Surprised by the lack of "bounce" feel as compared to my Vaporfly 3's.
My foot is on the narrow side but there's something about the shape of the Ride last on that lateral pinky toe spot that makes it pinch whereas everything else is plenty roomy.
Looking to get a third pair of shoes which is cushioned and may use it for marathon as well. I don't run fast and my best is finishing 1h57mins for half marathon. Current arsenal: Pegs 40 / Boston 12. What do you reckon? Thanks!
If you want something for relaxed running I'd go with the brooks ghost max or new balance 1080v13. Both are easy to run in and protective - ghost max has more of a smooth rolling feel while the 1080 is super soft. If you're thinking more of something cushioned and protective but faster feeling for races, I'd go with the Saucony endorphin pro 4. It's bouncy and fun but also decently stable and enjoyable at any pace. So if you wanted a cushioned long run shoe that you could race in I'd go for this one
It fits true to size but after some more testing in this shoe I do not recommend it. The foam feels flat and lifeless compared to a lot of other shoes at that $140 price point. The best alternative I've found is the new balance 860v14 - similar amount of cushion, rubber coverage for durability and great support but with a more fun and versatile ride. If you want something bouncy and fun at $140 I'd suggest Hoka Mach 6. And if you want something for long runs / relaxed miles then the Novablast 4. All those are much better choices at $140
The black one on top of the box is the Triumph 20! Comfortable and bouncy shoe that's great for longer runs. The black and green one on the left is the adidas supernova rise. Also a very comfortable shoe
@@supwell Thank you. I found it on one of your other channels. It was the New balance. Rebel V4 I have a pair of the triumphs and I just bought these Saucony ride 17 in triple black. Good videos 👍🏻
25:14 long as you bend down at the toe where there’s normally flex (like you do), it’s fine. Ben parkes flexing shoes at the mid point of the shoe is what triggers me 😖😖😖
Just checked his strava and looks like I've run more miles than him this year 😉but he's a beast. I read recently that he ran four sub 2:12 marathons in three months - total savage
I liked the Adizero sl for faster daily miles and put almost 300 on it but I think most runners will prefer the supernova rise. Adizero SL is super firm and only felt good for me when running fast - supernova rise on the other hand is probably the most comfortable of all the $140 daily trainers. Upper is super padded and the midsole foam is a lot softer than the SL - still has a decent amount of pep to it as well
@@supwell that's good to here, I used the adizero sl for everything from track workouts to recovery runs for over 450 miles on one pair and another 200ish on another
Just a thought, if you're looking for another reviewer for the channel, possibly a bigger runner since there is an overabundance of smaller runners on TH-cam.
These guy replace Seth James Demoor as my go to guy for daily running content
Same for me. And Kofuzi, fed up with all the footage watching his legs run.
@@pete801I’m just tired of all the big names running like 10 miles and giving recommendations and “pairing options” lol
No joke.. I like the deep dive he gives on every shoe he runs in. You don’t get this type of content from anyone else and depth.
Same here. Yowana’s approach:
- Hands on
- Getting more inventory to compare
- More interested in the content than the production. Really does deep-dive
- Sounds unbiased
- Is like a podcast or conversation
- Is more academic, you can tell he has a methodical structure to the discourse, incorporating all the variables. Example: he runs miles and miles every week and proves he tests the shoes to death
- More close resembles a “Run Testers” approach
Dare I say something like the “thinking everyman’s/everyperson’s” reviewer
Ah! Before I forget, among the few if not the only one who finished 6th in a marathon recently, walks his talk about high mileage yields best results.
demoor's shoe reviews contradict all the time. one review he says i would like this to have more outsole for durability and i don't mind a bit more weight. next one he says i would put less outsole to make it lighter.
i like yowana and whatmatterstomatt because they bring the shoes to hundreds of miles. not some who says shoes are good after 10mi then the following year when new model comes, say they didn't really get along with it but the new model is better
The podcast thing, i think about paying for yt premium just to be able to turn the screen off and listen on the run. Half the time i listen more than watch anyway. Always something to do
MY COMMENT HAS BEEN RECIEVED, THANK YOU FOR THE REVIEW
Always watch your vids with my morning coffee here in the uk and really enjoyed the few relaxing minutes of thunder and rain you kept in todays video 👌
🙌🏽
Regarding the podcast question:
- Your video format is already like a podcast. Many of us already use your videos to listen while running -because of the long format-
- Would tweak little details like “referring to what you’re holding in your hand, looking at or talking about “ in verbal…so we can visualize while listening.
- Agree your bandwidth is full already. So not efficient to cram something else, just build from the already existing long-type format.
- Charlie would be pissed if you add something else to the mix. Gotta keep the family balance.
- Am already paying for TH-cam Premium so I can listen w/o watching, therefore wouldn’t be paying for the podcast model.
I always appreciate your comments and thanks for looking out for charli 😂 great point about TH-cam premium too. I'm going to start suggesting that to folks. Also some of the subscription money goes toward channels you watch so it's another way to support 🙌🏽
I teach middle middle school math and I can confirm they still say “Kobe!”
Don’t do a podcast there’s already too many podcast if anything I listen to your TH-cam channel as a podcast sometimes. You’re doing great.
thanks man - i appreciate the feedback and support
much respect for the daily content my bro
Love the Mach6. The ride is so frickin’ smooth. Saucony shoes, unfortunately, do not work for me with the exception of the earlier Kinvaras. I always go in with high hopes and come out with knee or hip pain. I guess this is why we have so many brands and models - everyone’s different! Love your channel, btw. Thanks for always giving such great reviews!
Thank you! And love the Mach 6 as well - my top pick in that fun/fast daily category
I like the wide option from Saucony. I currently have the Triumph 21, and the Tempus as my daily trainers . I use the Speed 3 for various workouts . I will say I just retired my Triumph 20’s at 300 miles. Best shoe ever for longevity .
How do you like the Speed 3 as a wide footed runner? Just broke in a pair this morning for a quick interval workout but curious as to how the upper feels during longer runs/efforts.
@@samkovalchik5655 It has plenty of volume for me as I have the Speed 3 in a wide . The upper had a nice feel and I have no issues with longer efforts
Are you planning on reviewing the triumph 22 when it comes out? The upgrade in the foam alone looks sick! Keep up with the awesome content btw. Your channel deserves the growth that it's been receiving!
Thank you! And yes definitely will be getting the new triumph - super excited for that one
@@supwell Awesome! I'll be sure to watch the review once you get your hands on it!
Let’s go!!!! I refuse to buy more daily trainers until after I do TWO more 5k’s.
You got any on the calendar yet?
@@supwell first one is May 4!
So true on the saucony sneakers are a funky fit on my toes box every time and I’m a wide width runner 👍🏽
Pwrrun+ is always super firm upon first step in it takes 30+ miles for me before it starts to reach the soft bouncy foam that others find
Huge fan here from Brazil. U have the best reviews in YT for taller little bit havier runners.
Waiting for the Saucony Tempus review. The UK runs tester chose the Tempus over the glide and even the triumph
Thank you! I def need to review the tempus
I’ve got too many daily trainers. If I didn’t Ride 17 would be the one I’d get.
I have the new nimbus 25 great shoe for me to start off as a heavier runner. Took back 1080s not stable enough for me meh on the nova blast. Love my ride 17s not too mushy as a heavier runner wanting to pick it up just hair and not to hard on the joints. Rebels may be the next pick up on the next go round. Thanks for the great reviews i love full feature films 😂
The Saucony Ride 2 TR is available now. Seems to be essentially a Ride 17 TR. That should have better traction due to deeper lugs. It also has lace eyelets instead of loops which should improve durability and lock down. Its also a GREAT looking shoe! Price? £135
I have that exact Pegasus and I think it literally is right up there with the absolute worst feeling/performing running shoe I have owned in the last 10 yrs. I turned them into "yard shoes" after about 5 runs and I can't even stand to wear them in the yard. The Saucony R17 is really interesting me after your review. I have the Endorphin Speed 3 as well and I have really enjoyed that shoe with the carbon plate. It feels very similar to my Vaporfly 3 - which I really love.
If you're looking for that bounce like the speed 3, the ride 17 will probably be a bit firm for you. The closest shoe I've tried to that speed 3 bounce feel is the hoka Mach 6
I have almost 300 miles in the Ride 17. I'm 5'5" and 122 lbs and feel the midsole gives more back with heavier runners. I feel the most from it when I put more into the midsole, like going downhill. I have a narrow foot and do not like the lacing loops and cannot get a good lockdown. The tongue on the left shoe always slides over and down into the shoe on the lateral side. The midsole feels firm and is best for moderate paces for me. The upper feels a bit too wide for me. I think durability is high overall for the shoe.
Note: I am about to hit 600 miles on Triumph 20 and prefer them over the Ride 17
These are the kinds shoes that have led me to much better everyday shoes..too heavy,too hot,too hard,not comfortable..I switched to shoes like Topo spector, rebels, NB elite V3..lighter,more breathable, comfortable..the Topo spector is my favorite unknown shoe..I would ,and do,rather use it more than almost any of the " better" shoes on the market including most of the super shoes..I have 2 pairs that have a lot of mileage on them and the durability is great..I have never seen a podcast that I could watch for more than a couple of minutes..it always tickles me how some guys can't focus on your video for more than 5min..fortunately you-tube is chock full of manufacturers ads for short attention spans..another great video tho I have no interest in bricks masquerading as running shoes..😂😂😂
I can't wait to try the new specter 2... full PEBA midsole. It looks awesome
I tried both the ride 17 and triumph in the store back to back. I personally found the triumph better than the ride. The ride just felt a little firmer than what I wanted in a shoe. Even though the foam was the same it felt softer and more responsive in the triumph, got them, and I just keep wanting to reach for them every time.
Triumph 20 or 21?
@@tomdimarco9230 I tried the 21 in store but purchased the 20 and have been using those. I didn't notice much of a differnce between the 20 and 21 for what its worth.
You mentioned the “major brands”. Would be cool to see you try something like Atreyu or No Bull runners. I tried the Atreyu racers a few years back. They weren’t horrible.
I'd be curious to see a comparison with the Craft Pacer. On paper, they seem really similar, except for the weight.
Also, Seth James DeMoor was doing some type of crowdsourcing for durability on his website. I'm not sure exactly how but it could be an additional way to attract more traffic to your website.
You should totally try the under armor infinite pro it’s actually amazing as someone that works at a fleet feet it’s my favorite daily trainer compared to everything we carry in store. It’s 130 dollars as well
That's wild - I've gotta try it
Keep up the excellent content.
🙌🏽 thank you!
I just received my Invincible 3 yesterday and ran 8 miles in it. Not sold on it yet. It seems wide and a bit large. Surprised by the lack of "bounce" feel as compared to my Vaporfly 3's.
Fyi|: Road runner has the vomero17 at 130 in sea glass / red color-way. Even less if you’re a member.
My foot is on the narrow side but there's something about the shape of the Ride last on that lateral pinky toe spot that makes it pinch whereas everything else is plenty roomy.
Yeah it's a weird fit - the speed 4 is the worst offender of it too
Hello my friend what 's your rank in the last marathon???
Right on time
Looking to get a third pair of shoes which is cushioned and may use it for marathon as well. I don't run fast and my best is finishing 1h57mins for half marathon. Current arsenal: Pegs 40 / Boston 12. What do you reckon? Thanks!
If you want something for relaxed running I'd go with the brooks ghost max or new balance 1080v13. Both are easy to run in and protective - ghost max has more of a smooth rolling feel while the 1080 is super soft. If you're thinking more of something cushioned and protective but faster feeling for races, I'd go with the Saucony endorphin pro 4. It's bouncy and fun but also decently stable and enjoyable at any pace. So if you wanted a cushioned long run shoe that you could race in I'd go for this one
@@supwell thanks man, you the best
Hoodie up when my guy went through the camera frame 😂
I'm all for an 880 revisit 😂 And do you experience that hotspot in all Saucony shoes?
Most of them. Triumph 20 and new pro 4 weren't as bad. Speed 3, shift 3 and pro 3 were terrible and I had over 1000 miles in those shoes 😂
So when you have Novablast 4, Rebel 4, SL2, all $120-$140, what’s the point of all these other shoes?
Id pay. Get that Pod going. Also, I'm waiting for the triumph 22 and going to skip the ride 17
Yowana what about sizing? True to size or go up 1/2? You mention some toe box rub I believe. What’s the verdict?
It fits true to size but after some more testing in this shoe I do not recommend it. The foam feels flat and lifeless compared to a lot of other shoes at that $140 price point. The best alternative I've found is the new balance 860v14 - similar amount of cushion, rubber coverage for durability and great support but with a more fun and versatile ride. If you want something bouncy and fun at $140 I'd suggest Hoka Mach 6. And if you want something for long runs / relaxed miles then the Novablast 4. All those are much better choices at $140
My wife is an elementary school teacher so I can confirm that the kids are calling out D-Book and KD here in AZ 🏀🌵☀️
That’s interesting, I teach 5th grade math and I’ve never heard this once. It’s still “Kobe” and the occasional “lebron”
Damn Saucony really Violated hoka with that outsole rubber
Daily training shoes Saucony triumph 21 vs Asics novablast 4 Which best...???
What os rhe black pair that you kentjoned at rhe beginning that tou saod was one of your threee favorites? Rhabks , they look jice !
The black one on top of the box is the Triumph 20! Comfortable and bouncy shoe that's great for longer runs. The black and green one on the left is the adidas supernova rise. Also a very comfortable shoe
@@supwell Thank you. I found it on one of your other channels. It was the New balance. Rebel V4 I have a pair of the triumphs and I just bought these Saucony ride 17 in triple black. Good videos 👍🏻
@@CashewsClayy thanks and glad you found it! Rebel v4 is a great shoe
How many times did you wear your ASICS before the marathon?
Twice
Which books did you get, if you don't mind me asking?
25:14 long as you bend down at the toe where there’s normally flex (like you do), it’s fine.
Ben parkes flexing shoes at the mid point of the shoe is what triggers me 😖😖😖
Question. If I wear a 10.5 in the Adizero SL should I get that same size in the Supernova?
Yeah they fit the same for me
@ 23:40 what the hell kinda knot is that
CJ Albertson won CIM and then ran an 8 mile double in the afternoon. But you’re not CJ Albertson
Just checked his strava and looks like I've run more miles than him this year 😉but he's a beast. I read recently that he ran four sub 2:12 marathons in three months - total savage
Do you prefer adizero sl over supernova rise?
I liked the Adizero sl for faster daily miles and put almost 300 on it but I think most runners will prefer the supernova rise. Adizero SL is super firm and only felt good for me when running fast - supernova rise on the other hand is probably the most comfortable of all the $140 daily trainers. Upper is super padded and the midsole foam is a lot softer than the SL - still has a decent amount of pep to it as well
@@supwell that's good to here, I used the adizero sl for everything from track workouts to recovery runs for over 450 miles on one pair and another 200ish on another
CYCLONE 2 vs REBEL V4!!!!
Hahaha message received loud and clear. I got you 😤🫡
Triumph anyday over Ride 17
Just a thought, if you're looking for another reviewer for the channel, possibly a bigger runner since there is an overabundance of smaller runners on TH-cam.
Thank you for the short review again. Martin Scorsese must be your idol. Unsubscribed.
I'm more of a Tarantino guy but thank you for the comparison! 🙌🏽
It’s not about length, it’s about girth