Actually, working out a trick fascinates me even more. Of course i know there's no magic, but after working out the trick, i start to admire the magicians showmanship and techniques, i think this is more important than determining which part is real or fake
You've got it. The effect for Derren was actually the effect afterwards that Robbie started to feel pain; Perfect suggestion you show people there's something sticking in their body and they DO start to feel pain. It would've been more fun with a guitar string across his neck.
Well, the suggestion that he needs a children's song to focus on implies that something painful and a bit creepy is about to happen. Also, it breaks down Robbie's confidence to have him singing it. The negative suggestion that he should not think about the arm (else it will hurt) creates exactly the effect Derren seems to be after. Oh, and, there is "cutting" in the tune, reinforcing the expectation.
He never says he doesn't use a gimmick, he just (like every magician) doesn't say he is. He claims to be using psychology when it's magic, and sometimes vica-versa.
Derren uses lots of little tricks to get Robbie to think that he's in pain. In the beginning, Derren asks Robbie about his tattoos, if "they really hurt", and so Robbie recalls the pain of being tattooed. Later Derren says "I wonder how you cope (with being so famous)", suggesting an unpleasant situation that Robbie may have to cope with. And he gets Robbie to sing "Three blind mice", which includes the grusome line "who cut off their tails with a carving knife" - cutting! knives! ouch!
Oh my god, I love this music, it's Miles Davis from the soundtrack of L'Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud. Probably the greatest film noir soundtrack of all time.what
People usually will only feel pain when aware of it, once Robbie saw the Needle it hurt. Even if they weren't gonna hurt, since Robbie SAW the needles and expected pain, he still felt pain. The things that SecretPassage Listen probably helped as well.
2>>> the point of it is to 'arouse' fear in robbies mind.. Derren asks him is it 'PAIN' or comfortable?...it 'DOESNT hurt'...'DONT freak out'...'it WONT hurt(this will get robbie questioning wether it DOES hurt,he WILL freak out...BELIEVING that he has got needles in his arm)...then he says'You CAN WATCH..'over here'..(while the blood squirts out from the needle 6.12)...no injury atall...its all about the FEAR!!! brilliant trick:D
Yep, you are right, when he first wipes his arms he is putting rubber cement onto his arm. He then rubs vaseline onto the needle. he pinches the skin around the needle, note there are then no close up views of his arms. the bulb at the end of the needle has stage blood in and there is a hole about half way along the needle which allows the stage blood to come out under the pinched skin.
It is liquid rubber or something like that, it makes the skin sticky, so Derren only has to make it look as if he is sticking it in his arm when in fact he is just pinching the skin, if you notice the camera never actually gets a clear enough shot to allow you to see him doing this.
sounds from all the comments we dont have any peircers in the bunch.. there is actually no pain after the enitial peircing.. sliding the steel through mostly just gives a weird uneasy feeling which makes me believe this is real.. if he was actually hypnotised for the insertion he would react in the exact way he did upon seeing them for the first time (keep in mind he was extremely relaxed when awoken from hypnosis)
Because of some reason I think this is Needle Through Arm as in the magic trick. Because first of all: if it would have been real, at least in a controlled setting like this, the needle would have been sterilized in an autoclave and sealed in plastic. (I've gotten temporary "extreme" piercings before and they all were) And second, I'd expect Robin to sue channel 4 for this if it was real.
It depends on the context of whats going on surly. He is clearly in trance right there. As stated before the mind becomes ocupied by the redundant song and shuts off somewhat its a redirected vocus. Hypnosis is nothing to doubt its a natural thing that happens with the mind or should I say "TRANCE STATES"
Your in trance states 24/7 its just a fact. Looking at a video on the computer you are in a trance state or watching the TV or driving your car. Every aspect of your life you are in a trance state weather its consious or or sub it doesnt matter. We dont live in the world we live in our minds. Which means some minds have become more suggestible than others based on things happening in eachother lives which are transtates even DB would agree to that.
Since I've been posting on a couple of DB videos with possible explanations I'll give this one a go. The slings slow (or maybe even stop) blood circulation or at least nerve endings have pressure on them (a specific part of the upper arm maybe - like getting a dead arm). It does look like it went a bit wrong at the end when Robbie feels pain (there was a bit of blood too so maybe circulation doesn't stop but the nerves are impeded) Possible?
I think the point of this is to show how during when derren puts the needle into robbies arm, robbie's mind is busy resiting the poem and so the body doesnt respond to the needle until he opens his eyes n see's it. It's like the story of the man who cut his finger off while chopping carrots, he didnt pass out until he looked down on the chopping board where his finger was lyeing beside the carrot =P I am intrested in what the point of that aeroplane noise is tho
They actually go through, it's more a matter of pyschology, you missed the whole point. This is the same method used for some patients in hospital, where they cut them open without using anesthesia and the patient feels no pain. The power of the mind.
he dosent even stab him. its an easy trick you can do with rubber cement and a tooth pick. all he does is apply the glue and then pinch the skin around the needle. but it shows that you feel pain even if it dosent hurt..its all in your head
Now your getting it thats my point. Trance stats are also conscious! You said it exactly right. Its just what you call it you could call it "SHIT" if u wanted to its just a name you use for it. Im not saying anything different i think your taking me to be saying something different. Maybe the way im explaining it.
...how signification are the plane and song? Merely distraction, or something more significantly pyscological? Also possibility of "Three Blind Mice" being some kind of trigger for a state of mind, something Derren does quite a bit.
I agree too. If you look at Robbie's left arm when Derren is twisting and pulling the needle out, you can see that needle is visible between the two holes suggesting that the skin was wrapped around the needle with some dried rubber cement perhaps and the skin was pulling apart in the middle. Robbie's acting was good but I think, mechanically the trick lacked polish. Derren, you could have done better.
And the ambience like a torture room and the airplanes while Derren is removing the needle of his left arm and it bleeds :S arrgg yeah Robbie is in pain and scaried
i have to agree that the skin behaves more like rubber cement. when he pulls it out, the holes remain open but dont really bleed. the skin looks warped whereas normally it keeps its compusure. good acting job on ronnies part though.
I see the most obvious as either it was never placed into his arm, and it was instead placed through false skin with fake blood. Alternatively when Derren wiped his arm he applied an anaesthetic onto Robbie's arm. If it wasn't any of them then I can't think what else it could be, other than he has actually convinced him it will not hurt. I see this as the least likely option though. Anyway that's what I thought when watching this.
this is the most easiest trick to do.. first he hypnotized him..so that he dosnt know what he's doing... then he applied some glue to his arms...when he said...its gonna feel a little cold and wet.. then...when the camera moves....he simply put needle on his arm..u can even do it with a matchstick...and glued the skin together on the both sides of the needle...and it looked like..as if he actually inserted the needle insi
I don't think he even stabbed him, from the looks of it he wiped on some kind of substance which held the needles there, then wiped it off at the end. I mean, there wasn't any blood, the point of the video was to show that you feel pain when you think you should not necessarily because you should.
@vorantz mm.. well i dont ..realy think that derren brown would use magic tricks because he hated magician who disgust their trick as real.. but of course i cant be sure
Well it isnt that he isnt ethical, he's just showing how eluding the mind from something painful thats happening ( Needle in the arm ) like a nursery rhymn, then pain is not a fear factor, and am sure ive heard of doctors using these psychology techniques for woman giving birth and operations so that they dont feel too much or any of the pain during labour
aaaaaaaaaany way....here's the explanation for people in the dark you can find the needle trick explained by searching "needle through arm explained" (bloody thing won't let me post links in here :/ so no hypnosis or anything >_> as to the point of the video... His arms weren't actualy penetrated, but when he saw the needles "in" his arms he felt like they were...hence the show's name Trick Of The Mind but it was really kinda pointless since he didn't even explain the basic part
yeah, ive seen this trick on some magic revealed show, its totally obvious its not real, he puts the glue on then pinched the skin, , then wipes off the glue lol
Man, is that song dying out as a children's song now too? WTF is up with this gradual pussification of society that involves taming down even children's songs.
FAKE.....he has a cue. every time he comes to "they ALL went up to the farm". at the all he raises the voice a little bit to get a distraction... same place in the song both time... cause theese needles will just cause a sting immidiatly and thats when he says ALL
whats the point of this thousands of peopole can do this and at the end one of robbies arms are bleeding i would of kcocked derren out after i cleaned the blood off
lame, he whipes glue on his arm, then folds the skin over the needle whilst the camera pulls a wide rotation shot. notice the skin almost comes unstuck with second needle, so robbie gets put back to lah lah land so derren can finish up.
wait hold on, you are using evolusion and god in the same sentence? now that's unnatural, usually people argue and believe in one or the other. and it is natural for the same sex to love each other, and to say if i'm not gay or if i am, that is beside the point. love is a natural thing no matter the circumstances.
Robbie Williams' facial expressions are priceless; he's looking at Brown as if Brown's a maniac.
Actually, working out a trick fascinates me even more. Of course i know there's no magic, but after working out the trick, i start to admire the magicians showmanship and techniques, i think this is more important than determining which part is real or fake
This is the freakiest but cleverest trick I've ever seen.
i've always wanted to do that to robbie williams - derren brown you are a legend!!1!eleventy!
little glue...fold the skin...give the bottom of the needle a squeeze for a little trickle of blood...first year magic lesson....
there is no pain, pain is a phatom of the mind
You've got it. The effect for Derren was actually the effect afterwards that Robbie started to feel pain; Perfect suggestion you show people there's something sticking in their body and they DO start to feel pain.
It would've been more fun with a guitar string across his neck.
Lol. I learned this one too. However, I never thought to do it to someone else! Nice one Derren! And Nicely shot too.
Well, the suggestion that he needs a children's song to focus on implies that something painful and a bit creepy is about to happen. Also, it breaks down Robbie's confidence to have him singing it. The negative suggestion that he should not think about the arm (else it will hurt) creates exactly the effect Derren seems to be after. Oh, and, there is "cutting" in the tune, reinforcing the expectation.
Agreed. No way the producers would allow him to stick needles into Robbie Williams' arms anyway.
"Three blind mice...oww..." LMAO XD
such a shame we dont hear that tuneful singing anymore nowadays...
He never says he doesn't use a gimmick, he just (like every magician) doesn't say he is. He claims to be using psychology when it's magic, and sometimes vica-versa.
creepy yet cool! lol. I love Derren
Derren uses lots of little tricks to get Robbie to think that he's in pain.
In the beginning, Derren asks Robbie about his tattoos, if "they really hurt", and so Robbie recalls the pain of being tattooed.
Later Derren says "I wonder how you cope (with being so famous)", suggesting an unpleasant situation that Robbie may have to cope with.
And he gets Robbie to sing "Three blind mice", which includes the grusome line "who cut off their tails with a carving knife" - cutting! knives! ouch!
Oh my god, I love this music, it's Miles Davis from the soundtrack of L'Ascenseur Pour L'Echafaud. Probably the greatest film noir soundtrack of all time.what
done with hollywood-style pyrothethetics. think nutty professor ;-)
I like how tough he is at the end xD
People usually will only feel pain when aware of it, once Robbie saw the Needle it hurt. Even if they weren't gonna hurt, since Robbie SAW the needles and expected pain, he still felt pain.
The things that SecretPassage Listen probably helped as well.
2>>> the point of it is to 'arouse' fear in robbies mind.. Derren asks him is it 'PAIN' or comfortable?...it 'DOESNT hurt'...'DONT freak out'...'it WONT hurt(this will get robbie questioning wether it DOES hurt,he WILL freak out...BELIEVING that he has got needles in his arm)...then he says'You CAN WATCH..'over here'..(while the blood squirts out from the needle 6.12)...no injury atall...its all about the FEAR!!! brilliant trick:D
Regardless of whether or not this was fake, it was delightfully creepy. :D Wonderful entertainment. I love Derren Brown.
Brilliant! Never thought about that. :D Thanks :)
But it's a good trick then. :)
I love how people on here act like they know everything.
the mind is a powerfull thing dont ya know
Yep, you are right, when he first wipes his arms he is putting rubber cement onto his arm. He then rubs vaseline onto the needle. he pinches the skin around the needle, note there are then no close up views of his arms. the bulb at the end of the needle has stage blood in and there is a hole about half way along the needle which allows the stage blood to come out under the pinched skin.
It is liquid rubber or something like that, it makes the skin sticky, so Derren only has to make it look as if he is sticking it in his arm when in fact he is just pinching the skin, if you notice the camera never actually gets a clear enough shot to allow you to see him doing this.
he asks him to slow down the song... the song acts as a deepening tool. The mind becomes so occupied and becomes redundant the mind switches off.
That made me LOL
sounds from all the comments we dont have any peircers in the bunch.. there is actually no pain after the enitial peircing.. sliding the steel through mostly just gives a weird uneasy feeling which makes me believe this is real.. if he was actually hypnotised for the insertion he would react in the exact way he did upon seeing them for the first time (keep in mind he was extremely relaxed when awoken from hypnosis)
Because of some reason I think this is Needle Through Arm as in the magic trick.
Because first of all: if it would have been real, at least in a controlled setting like this, the needle would have been sterilized in an autoclave and sealed in plastic. (I've gotten temporary "extreme" piercings before and they all were)
And second, I'd expect Robin to sue channel 4 for this if it was real.
"If you keep still and don't freak out, it willn't hurt at all." heehee
My favorite part is when he gets the guy bleeding.=/
yes i agree
It depends on the context of whats going on surly. He is clearly in trance right there. As stated before the mind becomes ocupied by the redundant song and shuts off somewhat its a redirected vocus. Hypnosis is nothing to doubt its a natural thing that happens with the mind or should I say "TRANCE STATES"
WTF this is crazy how does he not notice??
Your in trance states 24/7 its just a fact. Looking at a video on the computer you are in a trance state or watching the TV or driving your car. Every aspect of your life you are in a trance state weather its consious or or sub it doesnt matter. We dont live in the world we live in our minds. Which means some minds have become more suggestible than others based on things happening in eachother lives which are transtates even DB would agree to that.
Its clearly hypnosis. Actually its easy to hypnotise an addict. The bodys mechanisms only react if there is a nervous response to the pain.
Since I've been posting on a couple of DB videos with possible explanations I'll give this one a go.
The slings slow (or maybe even stop) blood circulation or at least nerve endings have pressure on them (a specific part of the upper arm maybe - like getting a dead arm).
It does look like it went a bit wrong at the end when Robbie feels pain (there was a bit of blood too so maybe circulation doesn't stop but the nerves are impeded)
Possible?
I think the point of this is to show how during when derren puts the needle into robbies arm, robbie's mind is busy resiting the poem and so the body doesnt respond to the needle until he opens his eyes n see's it. It's like the story of the man who cut his finger off while chopping carrots, he didnt pass out until he looked down on the chopping board where his finger was lyeing beside the carrot =P I am intrested in what the point of that aeroplane noise is tho
They actually go through, it's more a matter of pyschology, you missed the whole point. This is the same method used for some patients in hospital, where they cut them open without using anesthesia and the patient feels no pain. The power of the mind.
it reminds me the movie Hannibal ....!
Freeky!
he dosent even stab him. its an easy trick you can do with rubber cement and a tooth pick. all he does is apply the glue and then pinch the skin around the needle. but it shows that you feel pain even if it dosent hurt..its all in your head
its the magic trick needle thru arm
Now your getting it thats my point. Trance stats are also conscious! You said it exactly right. Its just what you call it you could call it "SHIT" if u wanted to its just a name you use for it. Im not saying anything different i think your taking me to be saying something different. Maybe the way im explaining it.
...how signification are the plane and song? Merely distraction, or something more significantly pyscological?
Also possibility of "Three Blind Mice" being some kind of trigger for a state of mind, something Derren does quite a bit.
I agree too. If you look at Robbie's left arm when Derren is twisting and pulling the needle out, you can see that needle is visible between the two holes suggesting that the skin was wrapped around the needle with some dried rubber cement perhaps and the skin was pulling apart in the middle. Robbie's acting was good but I think, mechanically the trick lacked polish. Derren, you could have done better.
And the ambience like a torture room and the airplanes while Derren is removing the needle of his left arm and it bleeds :S arrgg yeah Robbie is in pain and scaried
I would not trust derren enough to follow him at night to a place with chains and such I would b like AAAHHHHH
true
If you saw the whole thing it's better. Robbie ends up not having any marks...no holes, no blood, no pain. It's as if it never happened...
@vorantz but he bleeded?
i have to agree that the skin behaves more like rubber cement. when he pulls it out, the holes remain open but dont really bleed. the skin looks warped whereas normally it keeps its compusure. good acting job on ronnies part though.
sadistic ... but sweet
that's so weird.. :s
i like robb..
but this thing..is REAALY SCARY..
is this hypnosis?
I see the most obvious as either it was never placed into his arm, and it was instead placed through false skin with fake blood. Alternatively when Derren wiped his arm he applied an anaesthetic onto Robbie's arm.
If it wasn't any of them then I can't think what else it could be, other than he has actually convinced him it will not hurt. I see this as the least likely option though. Anyway that's what I thought when watching this.
this is the most easiest trick to do..
first he hypnotized him..so that he dosnt know what he's doing...
then he applied some glue to his arms...when he said...its gonna feel a little cold and wet..
then...when the camera moves....he simply put needle on his arm..u can even do it with a matchstick...and glued the skin together on the both sides of the needle...and it looked like..as if he actually inserted the needle insi
Then how come his tatoos stay the same?
What was the point in that? I don't understand...
that aeroplane has something to do with the trick
I don't think he even stabbed him, from the looks of it he wiped on some kind of substance which held the needles there, then wiped it off at the end. I mean, there wasn't any blood, the point of the video was to show that you feel pain when you think you should not necessarily because you should.
Haha.. bit of an extreme conclusion! You can't expect ALL of his tricks to be brilliant. The majority bloody are though.
@vorantz mm.. well i dont ..realy think that derren brown would use magic tricks because he hated magician who disgust their trick as real.. but of course i cant be sure
I don't get it, what's the point? :S
yeahhhhh little quesy lmfao!!
So, was robbie hypnotized???
He stabbed him with two needles without Robbie even being aware of it. Can you do that, too?
I dont get it
you can buy that trivck at magicgeekdotcom the rest is just showmanship
his arm starts bleeding once the plane crosses over at 6:15
what the hell was that!?
che male!!
that was pretty dark
lol thats the same effect as SAW.
da point was he healed his self
Don't you think he just couldn't care less?
Well it isnt that he isnt ethical, he's just showing how eluding the mind from something painful thats happening ( Needle in the arm ) like a nursery rhymn, then pain is not a fear factor, and am sure ive heard of doctors using these psychology techniques for woman giving birth and operations so that they dont feel too much or any of the pain during labour
I've binge drinking is also incorrect English
for once i thought darren was about to spank robbie! kinda reminds me of Mr Slave from south park..
aaaaaaaaaany way....here's the explanation for people in the dark
you can find the needle trick explained by searching "needle through arm explained" (bloody thing won't let me post links in here :/
so no hypnosis or anything >_>
as to the point of the video...
His arms weren't actualy penetrated, but when he saw the needles "in" his arms he felt like they were...hence the show's name Trick Of The Mind
but it was really kinda pointless since he didn't even explain the basic part
yeah, ive seen this trick on some magic revealed show, its totally obvious its not real, he puts the glue on then pinched the skin, , then wipes off the glue lol
right throught the tatoo n shit??? wtf.. good thing his skin was just crazy glued around the needle
I thought of Robin Williams....
Man, is that song dying out as a children's song now too? WTF is up with this gradual pussification of society that involves taming down even children's songs.
Derren Broke Robbie =(.
lol this wasn't a magic trick, it was just an excuse to stab robbie williams with needles
although he puts the needles through tattoos...not so easy to fake in a moment
Shame!
Watch some more Derren Brown vids before dismissing this as a cheap trick
Is Darren really gay? I wouldn't know, I'm from Poland :P If he is, what a shame, he's quite a hottie =)
it's scary, isn't it?
not a bot disgusting...
wtf? i dont understand this. reckon derren brown just wanted an excuse to torture robbie williams for a bit.
For someone who makes their living through singing, Robbie's rendition of 'Three Blind Mice' was ironically poor.
FAKE.....he has a cue. every time he comes to "they ALL went up to the farm". at the all he raises the voice a little bit to get a distraction... same place in the song both time... cause theese needles will just cause a sting immidiatly and thats when he says ALL
whats the point of this thousands of peopole can do this and at the end one of robbies arms are bleeding i would of kcocked derren out after i cleaned the blood off
lame, he whipes glue on his arm, then folds the skin over the needle whilst the camera pulls a wide rotation shot. notice the skin almost comes unstuck with second needle, so robbie gets put back to lah lah land so derren can finish up.
wait hold on, you are using evolusion and god in the same sentence? now that's unnatural, usually people argue and believe in one or the other.
and it is natural for the same sex to love each other, and to say if i'm not gay or if i am, that is beside the point. love is a natural thing no matter the circumstances.
Wrong!
Yes, and it shows that Brown isn't very ethical
thats not how you spell immigrant. learn english
what a load of crap, looks like he was in pain to me at the end of the clip