Helpless HYBRID....from Florida?? (Part 4 - Trunk WATER INTRUSION?)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- What was the ROOT CAUSE of the HV Battery carnage on this 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid?
WATER DAMAGE!
I assumed that the water intrusion problem was already addressed before the car was brought to me, but the owner informed me that was NOT the case.
In fact, he said there was still a SWIMMING POOL of water in the rear tire carrier!!
So we have to find and repair the WATER LEAK ASAP before the same damage happens AGAIN!!
PERMATEX FLOWABLE SILICONE:
www.amazon.com...
Enjoy!
Ivan
Ivan, you saved the customer thousands of dollars. You are also going to save somebody else thousands of dollars with this video. Kudos to you!!
Being a body man, you always do a leak test with everything closed. Then you have to try and mimick rain from all kinds of directions, even to the point that how or were they park the car, could be on a hill tilting to the left right facing up or down.
Sounds like you do professional jobs 👍🏻
My experience with "body shops" do not do anything but swap parts. The cars I have taken most often are never the same. Insurance companies do not pay for good work to be done! Sad, but true.
I have an 07 Camry hybrid, had some water in trunk... from a 1 gallon bottle. After I cleaned what I could, I hung a couple "dryz air" bags in the trunk, and they got the condensation trapped over a week or two.
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 yeah, he does walking with the dogs
YES, close person in trunk with flashlight.
So good to know high-caliber HONEST mechanics are still out there - I love your videos. 😊
Water intrusion in a trunk is always bad, but when it reaches a very expensive battery, it's disastrous! And it all came from a small cracked seam. Tricky to find, but easy to fix. Well done Ivan!
The Toyota reputation was not tarnished by this invasion of body hackers, but was resuscitated by one of the best! Dang nice work Ivan. 👍👍🇺🇸
This was a fascinating and educational journey. I understand why hybrids grind your gears but you saw, your repaired and you conquered. Julius Cesar, your You Tube viewers and members of the auto repair community salute you. Well done buddy..well done.
My Camry 2021 has same issue. Im sure this video will help me to solve as well
Nice to know it is possible to repair a battery pack in a hybrid. Brings back memories of working on battery powered x-ray machines. Good video.
im amazed you fixed the battery especially with my percection of your limited knowledge of hybrd's the leak was good old fashion trouble shooting you do repairs fix whats broken most shops want to replace everything like to know the sale price and the follow up great job going the extra mile fixing the leak good for your and seller reputation nice car
I worked on a 2013 Camry the spare tire was under water was the same as this car was hit right rear, also check the right passenger rear floor it's probably soaked, under the passenger front dash the ac hose drain hose is right under the carpet hose gets knocked off from passengers feet and soaks the carpet
You just said something important that I didn't think of. Water in the trunk vaporizes and lands on everything. I have the same problem w/ a gen3 Prius and I think you just put me ahead by about 9 squares. Thank you, Ivan. You're Superman.
Hydroelectric Camry. 😁When I was a kid my first job was working at a Pontiac dealer and being a kid I was the one to get locked in the trunk to look for water leaks. They built a spray rig out of black pipe. As I remember our success rate wasn't very high. At least not on the first attempt.
I'm not saying that the seam isn't leaking, but I seen the water coming around that green plug. I'm having the exact same thing happening on 2009 Ford Fusion. Instead of green plugs it has white ones and can clearly be seen leaking around them. Great job as usual. Love your channel.
It was leaking in ABOVE the green "part" ... see 6:25 press "space" to pause and "." to go frame by frame.
@@thedraac1818 this should be top comment, it clearly is the green plug leaking.
@@arnobruynen6073 Actually @ 6:27 it is leaking in above the green "clip" from the seam, then onto the green thing. Go frame by frame, you will see it run out of the seam and onto the green part. Or even change the playback speed to .25.
Wow, you nailed down the water intrusion!! As for guarantee it's worth it to find and fix it! Great job on finding the leak problem! Awesome series Ivan!! I enjoyed it
Yes, that stuff is amazing, it will flow into cracks too, I use a screwdriver to apply in most spots, you can help push it into the holes where water flows into. Good job. Ivan.
This is more common than we thinking… I own 3 Prius and they all held water…
I pulled bung plugs under battery and wheel …stays bone dry… gets dusty tho…but I’m definitely likening your fix better… I may use
tire bead seal on the trunk weatherstripping …
Oh, riiight! It was an ongoing leak! It wasn't just a single event leak! I get it now! The accumulating rainwater in the spare tyre area would reach a level such that a heavy braking event would cause this water to surge forward like a big wave hitting a sea wall, & fly upwards & all over the battery area & its connections! Of COURSE! It all makes sense now!
Good job mate! If only the customer had mentioned the reversing accident & the pool of water in the first place ay?
The ole 'cause & effect' scenario will do it every time! Now you can sleep soundly knowing that you absolutely nailed it bud. Give that man a cigar!
Did you check the pressure in the spare tire before you put it back? 🔧
Most spare tires are never checked (valve is facing down) and the higher pressure in compact spares loose pressure faster than regular tires.
Spare? what spare?😁
Ivan, it I owned that car I'd be checking that trunk after every rainstorm. Thanks for Sharing!
This is a good example of a tiny problem with the potential for expensive results. I wonder how many EV's that have burst into flames, are the result of burned out wires from water intrusion or corrosion.
Water leaks just like this one are the shitty ones. Well done.
Hopefully the drain tube of the glass panel roof isn't clogged too. Would not be the first time that this happens.
When those bungs were pulled i needed to use the WC
Cool case again :) Good idea to check always for water leaks after even small collision to prevent future bigger problems.
Too many shops are about turnaround times. Body shops and mechanical shops suffer from billable man hour syndrome, rather than customer service and repeat customers.
Great work, Ivan. My Honda Fit bought from new had the same problem and it didn't take long before the wheel well filled with water. The problem was with the sealant used at the factory, which dried and cracked over time. Ended up doing a similar repair to what you did, and hey presto no more water!
Great ending to the series. Bad body work did cause that. That seem definitely should have been redone before paint.
Ivan after watching you for many years it's fun to watch you develop into a master Craftsman!!! Job well done buddy, thank you for taking us along on this adventure!!!
Fantastic trace to the root cause Ivan👍…just shows how many repairs are carried out with the focus squarely on what is obvious in front of you without a thought to look further for a root cause ☝️😎
On a side note about the dried out silicone tube. I found using a hot glue gun to put a glob of hot glue sealing the opening of the tube stops the hardening of the silicone. This also works on caulking gun tubes. To assist in getting a good seal, use a piece of tape to make a reservoir on the tip of the tube to keep the hot glue in place on till it solidify.
I'm gonna hafta try that! I'm sick of wasting silicone, and was beginning to think I may as well throw away tubes after the first use. Seems to be that way with spray paint these days, too!
It was very smart of you to recognize the need to eliminate the water leak! I could see a lot of people not taking that step, with the customer having to go thru the whole process again. Fun fact: I used to work on industrial lasers used for welding (440 watts output) that used flash lamps to excite the rods generating the output. The power used to flash the lamps (380 volts or so) passed into the cooling water, and the lamp sockets and everything was immersed! Trick is that the water was clean and deionized. Pure water isn't conductive - it's just that most water we come in contact with is contaminated. And yes, there would be green crusties at times, when the water wasn't clean....
The evap smoke machine is also good for this leaks find out
this is a true tech...... love this channel !!!!! Ivan is the true mechanic !
hybrid vehicles are like Gremlins...you can't get them wet.
2015 camry hybrid hydrlocked here😂.. How do you rotate the crankshaft by hand I'm trying to check for a bent push rod?... I'm afraid to do a forved 4 start r in maintenance mode because it might just start thrashing metal parts all around..... Should I just Insert a stick in each piston hole and measure the height very accurately To see if 1 of the pistons is lower than the others1-4 versus 2-3...
In the previous video you said the cost of the repair of the battery was $1600 dollars. Could you tell me how much your hourly rate is in this repair. How much was the extra hour that the customer approved. I live in Oregon. I haven't found anyone here with your skills at repairing electric and code reading and the solutions. Thanks for your posting. BTW. I have a 2001 Prius that no one has solved yet in the battery pack.Triangle of death. I drive it with the Gas engine only. Runs great.
Thought for sure it was going to be from the sunroof. Found several plugged sunroof drains flooding cars. Awesome bit of CSI work finding that small crack!
I'm looking forward to seeing you do a head gasket on a cx9 2.5 skyactive 17hr job
Much as what this car has been through. I’d trust it now that the issues have been fixed. But it’s black (I hate black cars) and it’s in Florida and I’m in New York. I could use a newer work car. But don’t have the extra money for a newer car yet lol
But a Tesla.
@@tedmoss I wouldn’t buy a Tesla if it was given to me with a check for cash. EV is no world for me, I drive wayyy to much to deal with charging. And don’t want it
... sometimes body/interior leaks can be found by using a smoke machine ...
Water intrusion is a májor disaster to Electronic, but anyways, thánks for your guaranteed Fix:‑.
I will NEVER OWN anything ELECTRIC Period...Its bad enough keeping a Battery Going now with the JUNK Batteries they make..Let alone 220 Volt battery. Corrosion..Plus I seen brand new Vehicles Leaking Driven off the Dealer Floor, because there Just JUNK MADE...LOL..I just cant believe people are falling for this JUNK. The money they spend, they have more money than Brains...LOL..😂😂😂...Great Fix as Always Sir, Sorry about the Rant. It just blows my mind they fall for it. Great Series and thank You for Sharing it. And proofing how Junk they are...😂😂😂
So any minor fender bender basically totals your EV.... oi!
My wife's 2007 Toyota Corolla was involved in rear-end collision which damaged the bumper cover. Had that replaced and a few months later started to have signs of moisture in the passenger side interior. Looked everywhere and found the spare tire storage full of water. Could not find the exact place for water intrusion. Finally went crazy with silicon sealant at all visible body joints. After many weeks of trail and error and lots of sealant application, the leak was stopped. If I would have taken it to a body shop, they would have replaced a lot of stuff and charged a huge amount of money.
Silicone was developed many decades ago through NASA, been using it for decades to fix stuff. New 1987 Ranger STX had a roof-seam leak, took trim out, silicone it, never leaked again.
1600 dollars is good if you have already hybrid car, and you dont have a choice, 1600 or 5000 to 7000, may be more, but for anyone who was thinking about hybrid car, forget it, hybrid cars not good, battery cost too much, even you know how to replace battery cells yourself, it is still going to cost you from 1000 to 1500 to replace all battery cells. So forget it. In addition to other expensive parts on the hybrid cars like steering electric motor and so on.
When I was the shop 4man at Toyota... I made a "Stand" with a shower head that any my techs could connect the garden hose to and spray check for water leaks.... I've seen and repaired enough H2o leaks in my day that they come in over at d/s A pillar, and puddle up in the passenger rear !!! Especially after (99.9%) post human body works repairs 😡 YOU should do that INSTEAD of garden hose... 😶😊😇
I’m having trouble getting a bead on how Ivan feels about Hybrids. 😂
Ivan you are consummate professional who takes pride in your trade. 👍
Ivan, how much care did you need to take in re-torquing the bus bar nuts, and does a spec even exist for such a thing? The reason I ask is that my step-daughter's 2001 (gen 1) Prius had the entire battery pack replaced with upgraded cells, and after driving for about 1000 miles, the dreaded "triangle of death" started popping up very intermittently (it would come and go) on her display screen. Come to find out that a single nut needed to be tweaked just a little tighter (like 1/16 of a turn), and the warning has never returned (after 15,000+ miles).
As always, excellent video series, and thank you for the footage on finding and repairing the water leak!! 😁👍👍
Nothing wrong with the hybrid technology, the damage was done by incompetent repair work.
I've seen a few Ford F350 utility body trucks with water intrusion. The fix was performed before contact and damage with vehicle electrical.
Good one Ivan! Hope the owner gets many more good miles from this vehicle.
Toyota should partner with Thule to make a hermetically sealed, but openable for service, hybrid battery box.
Then, if you happen to drive into a lake/ocean, the battery will never get shorted.
But, Toyota should team-up with DeLorean and make stainless steel cars.
Profits interfere with rational engineering sometimes.
I had a water leak that was at the body panel seam where 2 panels were welded together the weld cracked and it took flowable silicone to seal it up.
HYDRO ELECTRIC HYBRID first one i have seen worked on nice going there Ivan i take it its a year only on the parts you replaced not the whole kit and caboodle
There was a plug in the spare well and they didnt even pull it???? OMG!
Hybrids are the present and will also be the future. Pure EV's will never enable somebody to only have one car as nobody wants to wait 35 minutes to fill up their "gas" tank at a Supercharger. If you're rich enough to have two cars and you live in a city EV's are great as you use this 90% of the time and then jump into your conventional car to drive to Vegas. Here in Arizona we have complete communities that are based on golf carts and they work fine. Unless battery technology reaches the point of giving you a 500 mile range you're always going to need a second car to take a trip. Hybrids solve this problem better than any other solution currently available. Ivan you could make a fortune rebuilding battery packs as the number of hybrids grows every day.
My dads Peugeot 406 had water getting in the boot.
Turned out to be after market reversing sensor's with no grommets and the big towbar electrics grommet pulled out completely.
I ended up using loads of clear silicone sealant.
"Diagnose the source of the water intrusion". Words I thought I'd never hear in the same sentence.😂😂😂
Just goes to show that diagnostics isn't limited to electrical and mechanical issues.
Root cause is always important to consider in engineering so thanks for chasing this down. Maybe Toyota engineers should also see this and consider how to help their customers who also have 2012 Camry Hybrids!
Definitely seems like some sloppy body work was done on this car, based on the bad seam sealing job and the bumper cover being misaligned..
What a pioneer when it comes to Hybrid! Dealer would just want to throw new battery pack in and not entertain fixing/repairing those problems,
Great diagnostic series Ivan! Most important was to find the root cause of the whole problem! Thank you for sharing! Waiting for the next one!
3:53 - 3:54 was that a drop of water falling down or just a piece of dust?? I absolutely hate trying to find and seal leaks like that, cos even when you do find them you have to dismantle so much stuff to get to the seem it's an f'ing pain in the ass. Bring back the, probably super toxic, cancer-causing, gummy seem sealer from back in the day when cars didn't leak like a sieve.
Nice work, but just to let you know i noticed a droplet of water failing between 3:52 and 3:55 on the left part of the video, i don't know where it's coming from but it's not coming from where you fixed the leak. Have a nice day. ;)
Hi Ivan! I dont want to burst any bubbles but the (green) plastic bumber fastener where the screw goes in is not OEM and it's in the path of the drain water thus lets water in. I'm affraid the water intrusion problem is not solved. Had a similar issue on an old Renault 25.
An excellent series! I have never chased leaks in cars but have in buildings, both of these leaks can cause major damage if nor repaired.
use seam sealer at leak area.. problem silicone cannot be touched up.. nothing sticks to it even silicone.. gotta remove it to re do
i despise silicone..
Silicone really works well though.
I'm surprised the owner of the car did not notice it fogging up and smelling kind of damp .
You seem to be down on hybrids but I just watched you fail to start a beached whale Infinity and you accepted that as normal. Maybe this is just the new normal.
Home water leak detector alarms are one of the cheapest little gadgets available. Seems like one or two of them "on duty" in the trunk of an EV would be an obvious move to protect against a very big repair bill.
Always drill a few drainage holes at the lowest section of your trunk [with care!] so that if you have water ingress, you won't even know about it.
I would get a shop vac with exhaust nozzle or small floor fan and make 100% sure that trunk space is dry as a bone. Power wet soak the whole back end of the car and recheck for a leak.
Great video Ivan you went that extra mile for the customer because like you said if you did not look for the water leak it was going to happen again and plus no warranty on the parts.That customer is lucky you worked on there vehicle and went that extra mile.
I wouldnt bring an electric vehicle anywhere around my home...they can catch fire at anytime , even weeks after getting water on the batteries.,
Every other car on the road here in Southern California is now a freaking Tesla. It used to be Mercedes or BMWs but no more. Is anyone else seeing that where you live?
One thing worth checking on these is underneath the weatherstrip on the roof - especially in the corner by the rear hatch on a hatchback or in the corner by the glass. There is a seam underneath there and I have seen a few Toyotas from the mid 2000's that developed cracks in the paint on the seams and then the water gets in through the seam and wicks down the inside and pools in the boot. Its not uncommon to see water in the 12V battery compartment on a prius. I'm not sure if these vehicles had, had a respray at some point and that is what caused it. Very difficult to find if you don't know what you're looking for.
Please, please, please put the links to the other parts in your description. Cheers. 👍
Ivan is the real-deal, not pining for clicks with fake scare videos.
Silicon on a body seam is short term only. Polyurethane sealant is a long term sealer.
Climbing the trunk with a flashlight close the trunk lift got someone to spray everything with the water hose you'll find the leak in 5 minutes most likely the leak is at the Rubber seal at the top if it's had a body repair the truck gutter is probably slightly bent just a tiny band is all it takes to make the gasket leak if you can't find it in the top check the tail lights
Enjoyed all 4 of this series. Class is dismissed for the holiday.
Thanks
Hi Ivan can you diagnose this with smoke machine?
Would silicone last there for years especially if the car is in a harsh environment with lots of temperature changes? Maybe would have been better to weld it and paint over that small spot with some zinc paint?
It's really hard to believe that the sense wires on that giant battery are not fused at the HV battery. I mean you have almost unlimited current available on those small balance sense wires and as seen here if they short out, you don't have any protection and the wires burn. Not a good design in my humble opinion. Water leaks really annoy me. I will not own a car with a sun roof or moon roof anymore. I mean why make a car and then cut a huge hole in the top and risk water intrusion.
Car back on the highway and leak proof as an added bonus. What's not to like ?
My daughters Fiat 500 had a water leak into spare wheel well and it turned out to be a seam seal on the roof! Under the two rubber strips that go down each side😮.
I had water getting into my door mirror indicator if the car was washed with a pleasure washer which blast past all seals, it got in YO my friends rear light and filled the boot.
Who would just leave their trunk full of water? smh
Using a heater/dehumidifer to totally dry out the boot area ??
I think you should have protected all your hard work plus shut the boot
Ivan use Seam Sealer or at the very least Urethane, as Eric would say, don't be a Hack!
You don't have a "Avoca Smoka"?...😇
Close someone in trunk with a flashlight.
And we have new electric ferries here in NZ, wonder how long it will be before the salt water finds its way into those electrical systems!
you took only an hours pay to look for a leak?! sometimes leaks can be a pain in the butt to find.
Note to self...water-test Prius before I buy one.
things are so low to the ground they would flood in a cup of water.
someone forgot to use seam sealer when they fixed it
That thing is junk.
Great work 👏 👍 👌 😅😅😅😅😅
You had me at sunroof: hate those things. Always trouble, even if not The problem. The typical lack of rain in CA likely meant the prior owner was unaware of the failed seam.
For real. I hate sunroofs. Some cars models you cannot buy without a sunroof
Could be why they sold the car.
More education by the best on TH-cam.