Teslarossa Ep8 - 0-60 & Traction Control
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- With all that power from the Tesla motor, it's time to get it under control with a bit of traction control. So, in this episode we look at the different types of traction control we've used so far and which type we've chosen for the Ferrari. We show you the difference between traction control on and off and do a few 0-60 tests to see how much of an improvement the traction control systems adds.
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The first 5 seconds of the video alone justified all the effort you put into converting the Ferrari. Awesome.
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You should take this to a local Ferrari meet and film the reactions. 😂
We had considered it 👍😀
@@spudproductions7606 Do it!!!
They wouldn’t be nice
An improvement of 0.61 seconds - 12.3% - was better than I expected. With a full battery, and maybe without a passenger, that improvement would have been even greater. Thanks to both of you for performing the tests, 🙂👍
As a Ferrari fan , I’m at a yes but no , no but YES moment.😮
My childhood wall poster transformed into an electric?! EGAD!!!! But, holy cow is this amazing! I almost want to hunt for an old Ferrari now and build! Just a beautiful result and I love the Red Head's NA 12 cylinder. I loved the one I saw in person in 1989, I love the Miami Vice one, I love the models I have. I love everything about the Testarossa. This though, this is epic! Off to binge the whole series.
Welcome on board. 😀👍
I am stuck in the middle as a through and through petrolhead and can't get my head around taking the engine out of a ferrari, but at the same time I am very impressed by your work
That would probably have taken 3000 miles off the life of the clutch on a 'normal' Testarossa! 😄
In other words, all of it!
I dread to think how much that would cost to replace too. 😆😎👍
@@ElectricClassicCars Quite
Teslarossa, the Ferrari experience without the "Ferrari" experience.
It would have probably caught fire and burnt 😂
2:13 that's not a symbol for a GPS Sensor antenna, that's obviously the symbol for the Flux Capacitor.
GREAT SCOTT you are right!
Such a cool build. Thanks for showing us beautiful Wales too.
No problem. Glad you enjoyed it 🏴🏴👍😀
This'll shut the "it's a milk float" crew up! Knocked a second off the standard engine time
And it will go quicker than that. Probably 1.5 to 2 seconds quicker. 👍😀
How many years did it take to better that standard engine time ? Ferrari did a great job in the first place. When this car was still a Ferrari
Now I've got the Outrun theme on repeat in my mind, such an 80s car it's awesome
The original Testarossa had a best 0-60mph time of 5.2 seconds. Well done, awesome conversion.
That's mainly because it was tall geared to do 180mph (with only 5 speeds) back then and there was a dog leg shift from first to second before you hit 60 which took some time off. Plus it was pre traction control and 80s tyres were not as sticky for this sort of thing.
I had a ride in one as a young man and it was v fast ack then, but you would never have conducted a standing start. If was much better once you were rolling and at higher speed.
@@Cheltenhamlistener1 It was the car of many a youngsters dreams, including me. Hope you enjoyed the ride.
That is a gorgeous dam, oh, and the car is nice too 😉 I'm surprised by how well the GPS traction control works. "Even an idiot can do it now" is an excellent stamp of approval!
Very enjoyable. Thanks and well done. Jim Bell (Australia)
Thanks Jim 👍
Problem with these video's is that it makes me want one.
Tesla should hire this guy and he should be calling the shots!
That really looks like “The Life”. Doing acceleration tests in a Teslarossa in the Welsh green hills!
It’s a tough job but someone has to do it. 👍😀
Doesn’t get much better than that. 😎⚡️👍
This project is awesome! I can’t wait to see this car on the track after the suspension is tuned.
Most excellent content…Beautiful set of wheels!
Great stuff. Your homeland has beautiful landscapes!
Thanks. We are very lucky. 👍😀🏴
keeping poster cars relevant. I look forward to the next one.
I got to say, respect to your right foot, only using a third of a second longer feathering it without TC!!
It took some practice. 😆😃👍
That thing is a missle now! 👏🏻
Can’t wait for the suspension tune. 👍🏻
Another brilliant video Richard explaining in simple terms a complicated subject. The TeslaRossa is an awesome machine, but vey functional 👍🏴😎
Holy electric burnout Batman!!
hello, an interesting comparison would be on the race track ( original suspension to optimized version)
Very educational and super entertaining. I very much enjoy seeing the fruits of your work come to fruition! Great work ECC team!
Thanks
0:01 now that is a Ferrari!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂 Richard!!! That is INSANE!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
that car is a thing of beauty
Judging by the smoke with the T/C off, I reckon just stickier tyres/road surface could knock another half second off that 0-60 easily.😁
The Teslarossa is a damned-fine car. The suspension and handling fettling video promises to be epic.
Insane! Hopefully you can get it down to mid 3 0-60 with everything all tuned up. It’s gonna be one fast Testa!
Reminded me of back to the future
Awesome technology, and your hands are magic... what a nice car!! 😍😍😍
Bloody hell! Never seen a Testarossa do that.
Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along
Thanks 👍😀
If your neck hurts, you're doing it right! That teslarossa looks like its going to be lots of fun! Can't wait for the next ep 😻👍
Richard just wanted an excuse to do burnouts lol😂
Fantastic! Great video and content. Can’t wait for the tune suspension bit
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Driving a Testarossa in the Elan Valley... Fantastic work on this Ferrari guys and looks like you had fun playing with it too ;)
Part 9 next!!
Nice Scenery.
Thanks. We think so. 👍😀
I'm more of a Lamborghini fan but that is a Ferrari I like!
Love your work 👍
It gets better and better! Really seeing forward to the track race.
I am hoping you can covert a newish cayman one day but with a very small battery pack to maximise power to weight.maybe it could have a secondary remove able battery pack to take out at the track ... great videos guys
I would like to see the difference in the wet. I’m betting that would be a lot of fun!
So weird shredding tyres with no engine noise but really impressive
Looking forward to track time, but this car is already a marvel!!!
Not as much as we’re looking forward to track time. Can’t wait….😂🤣😉👍
@@ElectricClassicCars Have fun and stay safe!
You guys should create your very own in house kit car body for these machines, they are phenomenal!
What's wrong with this one?
Nothing wrong with it, just would be cool
I would really enjoy being the traction control tester of this vehicle! Grins for days
Great explanation Richard. Would be interesting if you showed us the max g-forces and MPH for those runs. Cheers
I’ll see if we can show that next time. 👍
I love the whining noise! It reminds me of Knight Rider😅
Amazing difference. Well done.
Hi from Thailand. I watch your show Vintage Voltage on Discovery and saw Louis had your link tp your YT so now SUBBED!
Welcome 👍👍😀
Isn’t Wales beautiful, and the cars not bad too, lol, you have made a cracking job of the conversion
Thanks. It’s a beautiful place. 🏴
warm day and high soc, it'll probably be closer to 3.5 to 60. great work on that car!
Thanks 👍😀
There’s only one way to find out. 😁😉👍
What happens with the TC when you're inside a tunnel and lose GPS signal?
Came here to ask the same!
I wondered, too. I should imagine the answer is to be gentle with the right foot.
I'm also curious. I read about some sensors online and they combine 3-axis gyros, accelerometers and magnetometers - so perhaps that also comes into aid for traction control? Particularly accelerometer. Think "at what speed computer sees wheels spinning versus the inertia felt by accelerometer" - this would also explain how it's so instant as accelerometer gets immediate feedback from inertia.
Accelerometer however can't tell the speed so GPS aids for corrections at high speed which still makes your question relevant.
My assumptions though.
What's the chances of needing TC when you're already moving? Unless there's standing water in there and you aquaplane, but if you come to a stop in a tunnel, then it'd probably be traffic related, not going to gun it away there.. Also wondered tho
What makes me laugh is his Land Rover can do it in 3.8 seconds 😂
I suspect that by the time that Rich has sprinkled some magic dust on the power management system, the Teslarossa will be closer to 3 seconds for 0-60 mph
The Testarossa will no doubt have a significantly higher top speed, greater refinement and go around corners a lot better than his Land Rover as well!
@@neilmckechnie6638 remember tho, his Defender is AWD....and it's punching out 600hp.
Both vehicles are around the same weight too, which is interesting.
Also, keep in mind that traction control cuts power (momentarily) on and off to limit wheel spin. There might be some time lost there, even tho it's faster than no TC on a RWD vehicle. The acceleration ramp looked a little soft too, but that can be adjusted.
I'm not sure if the Defender has TC or he is just relying on the AWD grip.
I'm guessing once the suspension is sorted it will help with weight transfer and a little more tuning might get it down to below 4
@@72mardy You raise an interesting point; the possibility of a AWD Teslarossa which may be someone's solution for a track-day weapon.
AWD really helps to get the power down. It’s all about grip when you’re down at 4 second or less 0-60mph times.
... simply OUTSTANDING !!
Awesome mate 👍👍
A fine day for outside filming ... and no rain as a plus 😉
It never rains in Wales 😉
More brilliant engineering!
Richard, how do you know when the funs over and it's time to deliver it to the customer? When the rears are at 1.6mm tread depth...
Yep 🤣😆👍
Always good, many thanks.
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A great show, look forward to seeing the suspension updates and track test. Is this really using only GPS to control the torque or does it make use of an onboard accelerometer as well? What happens in say, poor weather with weak GPS signal or areas where the GPS signal is weaker due to buildings, tunnels etc?
Want one.... Need one....👍👍👍
Richard, Greatly enjoy the channel, and I love the depth of engineering knowhow shown by you and your team.
I do have one small gripe, though.... Given that you have acknowledged that Traction Control is not just a performance enhancer, but also provides safety, I do not agree with using just GPS for this function on the TeslaRossa.
You must have spent quite a bit of money on this car, and as such, I would have thought that fitting speed sensors on the wheels would have been a worthwhile investment. This car has tremendous torque and power - what if you hit an oil slick inside of a long tunnel ? (We have quite a few of those even here in Australia) - Just think of the massive pile up it would create.....
Food for thought?
Ron
Afternoon mate that burn out was a good one lol
I'm fascinated by the fact that GPS is so fast that it can be used for traction control!
OMG. I want one, when I win the lottery, what will this set me back?
man look at that damn at 11:00 in the background, someone should drive a landrover up that to celebrate the last landrover releasing or something.
Always awesome videos, but I really do think I’d rather experience the challenge of controlling the traction with my own brain and foot.
You can always switch TC off. 👍
Fantastic, you need a gmeter😎😎
You did it!! Salute
Are you inviting The Stig to your track test😆. That looked painful during those runs but the rate of acceleration doesn't really come across in the video. It almost looked like quite a delay from your right leg planting the throttle and the scenery starting to move outside the window? You should get a G-Meter hooked up, see what the forces are? Still very impressive to watch though and, as others have commented, Wales was looking splendid.
Thanks 👍😀
We record the g forces on the Dragy. We should show that next time. We have someone better than the Stig lined up for the track test. 😎👍
Love this car. :)
very nice. need an electric countach to complete the 80s dream team.
Yes 🙏
Why not just compare the speed of rotation of the front wheels versus the rear wheels ?
A lot cheaper safer and simpler, since in town there are places where GPS will often drop out.
Came here with exactly the same question. This is rear wheels drive, why don't use it without all this sat options.
I have the same concerns about GPS. What happens in a tunnel, or a city full of skyscrapers? As for why not use wheel sensors, I'm going to guess it is a lot simpler to retro fit the GPS version to a car than it is to add rotational sensors to each wheel.
I doubt the Ferrari had ABS so it won't have wheel speed sensors.
Much easier to fit a GPS system.
Cant see any sensible person needing traction control in a built up area!
Because the gps antenna doesn’t use the satellite to measure speed, it derives the it from an accurate accelerometer
How hard is it to synchronize 2 trans-axle motors? I figure that is something similar to the traction control problem.
Awesome video. Can you provide some more of the technical details in a future video? Is this something that is doable/affordable by someone doing a more basic conversion say on a classic VW?
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I love the idea of an electrified Ferrari. I would not rely on GPS for traction control. It may work OK in the open Wild West of Wales with just sheep for company but the signal will disappear in tunnels and driving through forests or built up areas you will get multi path reflections that could make the instantaneous speed measurement jump all over the place.
The car is amazing and the traction control seems to work great but what wold happen in an area with no GPS connection? Where I live it can be pretty patchy.
Great!!!
Muy interesante.
I am an old Ferrari fan: as for me it is a yes or no project: in perspective....yes, it is the future; in somehow losing the soul of the car without the melody of the flat 12....no, it is absolutely not the same.
Wonderful effort in combining two different worlds and eras, and exceptional crafting skills...but from one point of view It is a Teslarossa, from another is....a Turdarossa.
To reinterpeter a classic is dangerous and not always is a good idea.
How does it connect into the system? is it a module because using GPS that probably a small digital module. Very cool.
Re living back to the future with that 1st burn out even the electric noise gave it atmosphere 👍with the GPS system is it plug in a play?or countless hours of wiring it in?
It just needs to have 12v feed and CAN wired to the motor controller. Very simple to install and one button to set it up. 😎👍
Bloody hell!
Really awesome project. I was expecting it a bit faster, in the 3s. Do you think another TC system would be faster or have you peaked at the capabilities of the hardware?
It will go faster ( as we experienced on the previous episode) but it was colder and lower soc. 👍😀
Great car, great conversion, great technology addition. Car has no soul 😢. The Song of the ICE engine is sorely missing. To only be replaced by a chirping electrical widget. Everyone complains about piped in engine noise, but this time it's truly needed.
Looking forward to the next
Great video guys
This is some rare footage, not many electric testarossas on TH-cam 😅🤠 🌏
Really shows how limiting it is to have just two driven wheels. There are any number of AWD electric SUVs doing 3 seconds or even less. But yeah, for a RWD EV to get into the 4s is pretty fast!
The mcmurty speirling ev is rwd only and does 1.3s 0-60mph runs and 7.9@150mph in the quarter mile. 😀👍🏻
I wanna see what it will do when the motor and batteries are a little cooler and fully charged it seems like a four second 0 to 60 is well within reach
Especially if there is only one person in the car - the driver.
@@peterduxbury927 Hey Tim, I think he just called you fat! 😂
It already did a 3.9s 0-60mph run in episode 7 with a higher soc in the pack. Should do low 3s easy in the dry fully charged&setup right.
Maybe a 2.9x on an actual sticky track surface. 👍🏻
One of my concerns with GPS traction control is well the GPS aspect and how unreliable the GPS signal can be at times, GPS signals can be lost or degraded if you are in a populated area like cities or if you go in a tunnel
My thought too, city driving with shielded GPS signals would be problematic
On your video when you mounted the drive unit, it looks like you mounted it 180 degrees about the axis from how it's mounted in the tesla (cv in the rear). Did you have to reverse your wiring for the drive to spin forward?
Have you watched all of this series of build videos? 👍👍😀
just occurred to me; using the GPS feature/function; could you use that as a rudimentary cruise control, and even speedo (or calibration at least)?
So I ask what do you use in VW Bug & Crewcab/Buffy in regards to Traction, is it GPS cause of the Tesla Gear ?, I was wondering as it seems a nice option, to turn it off, to warm up the tires a bit, then switch it on for the "Race", or Demo .. ;), Maybe you should do a Lap around Nuremberg with it, Before Delivery, just to make Mercedes Drivers Weep, OOps, I mean to test out its function at speed ..
I’ve installed the same system in the Crewcab now. Works soooo good. We’re going to put it on everything now. 👍
Are you going to post who makes this GPS based traction control. Does the traction control do so by changing the 0-5vdc signal of the accelerator pedal or does it directly control the inverter. My inverter control acuity is every 2 mili-seconds.
It’s made by EV Controls and communicates with the T2C controller via CAN.
@@ElectricClassicCars Thank you😀