As a Canadian teenager I was in Paris with some friends in 1990 and we walked past the Lamborghini and Ferrari dealerships on our way to the Arc de Triomphe and Champs Elysees for an evening on the town. We stopped into the Ferrari dealership and a very beautiful young French woman in a black leather skirt and a red Ferrari sweater indulged us as we gawked over her and the only new car in the showroom, a Testarossa. A great memory from a great trip.
I'm from northern Canada myself and I saw my first TR on the streets of Paris in '92 - it was black and had obviously been sitting for some time as it was covered with dust but it certainly enthralled me...
Very nostalgic car to me. I remember having a poster of this car as a small boy. I was born the same year 86. Just seeing it like this makes me feel like a child again, looking at that poster on my wall.
'Not a B road hustler'. I had to chuckle! Brought back memories of driving to my mum's one Christmas. At the time, I was driving a Peugeot 306 turbo diesel - a fabulous little B road hustler. Somewhere in Bedfordshire I found a had a Testerossa right up my back end, but we were running out of straight road for him to overtake. Went through a left hander at about 60, realised he'd disappeared. As much as he caught me on the straights, in the bends he was hopeless. I later realised that the width of his car was compromising his positioning options, and on a cold, damp December day, probably wasn't getting his tyres up to a good temperature. Fantastic video as always!
The car that mesmerised me and every teenager in the 80’s. I’ve always wanted one and 4 years ago I nearly grabbed one however to this day I am devastated. In Sept 2020 Bonhams held an auction and a low mileage Testarossa was offered. The guide price was £110-130k which immediately made me switch off. On checking the sales results a few days after the auction I was gob smacked to see that the car bidding had stopped at £60k and the 🎉final sale price was £80k. I was not well and to this day still suffering the pains 😩😭
There's a Testarossa body shell sitting high up in a car breakers yard, so it's visible, 10 miles north of Rome. I've seen it there for about the last 20 years and always look to see it when passing...... not in a good state obviously. Thankyou for your great channel 👍✌️🇬🇧
A 180 v12 engine or flat12 is completely different from a boxer12 engine: in the first, every connecting pin rod of the cranckshaft has got 2 rods connected, in the second only one rod for connecting pin. Only in the second the pistons move simultaneously in opposite directions , hence the name "boxer".
@@johnmoruzzi7236 The Ferrari flat 12 and an equivalent Boxer 12 are very different configurations. The Ferrari 12 has the two adjoining piston-rod assemblies fitted to a single crank pin, whilst a Boxer 12 has adjoining piston-rod assemblies fitted to separate 'off-set' crank pins. The effect is the Ferrari flat 12 has the two adjoing pistons moving in the same direction (courtesy of the common crank pin), whilst the Boxer has the two adjoning pistons moving in opposite directions. The Ferrari flat 12 effectively uses a configuration that is similar to a 'traditional V8' with the exception that the cylinder banks are 180 degrees apart as opposed to 90 degrees apart for the 'traditional V8'.
But just the crank is different... a 90 degree flat-plane crank V8 is NOT completely different from a 90 degree cross-plane V8, but the overall character is of course very different.@@andream2360
I use Loctite 574 which is a wonderful product. I have managed to keep oil inside Italian motorcycle engines with it, so it must be good! I discovered it when working for JCB, we used it on transmissions and axles. Love the channel, interesting and informative without the annoying elements found elsewhere on TH-cam. Bravo 👏
@c.s.charles2102 If its all in good order otherwise, I'd certainly consider using it. Have applied it to gaskets as well as metal to metal faces and its good stuff. 👍
Fantastic. These have always been extraordinary eye-catching and spectacular in my view. Even today, they do stack up quite well despite their rather angular look; still appearing as an epitome of design. What does surprise me though is how civil they actually sound, drive and behave. And are they fast... Not that long ago, me cruising at 200 kmh on the autobahn, a red Testarossa overtook me as I was standing still... Not sure if it was doing about top speed but it was 'woosh' and far in the distance ahead of me in a matter of seconds she was... Glorious these cars, still. Thank you Iian for taking us along virtually in one of them 💓
Wow, beautifully done, I felt a fool, watching the whole video twice, but I couldn’t resist. Your stories of the past and strong knowledge of these cars so very well articulated in narration. Well done, kind sir!
Ian, it's such a pleasure to listen to you explain such nerdy things about cars and engines, but also that you appreciate cars that I also like and can afford, such as the Citroen CX and the Fiat 130, at the same time as you also work with the most exotic cars that exist at all. You are also able to adjust a carburetor and engine by ear, something that today's digital world has completely forgotten. A pleasure to see you adjust carburetors for a V12 with your technical hearing module. Thinking of a story I heard. A man who was going on a drive of 275 miles. As he started his walk he heard thump-thump sounds. He just turned up the volume on the stereo and continued driving. This was winter time up in the Arctic regions and when he arrived he realized where the sound was coming from. The trunk lid was not left and the trunk was now densely packed with snow. Just shows how important all sound is in a car, and new sounds have to be investigated where they come from.
Ian, two things here I would like to praise you and thank you for. Number one, thank you, for allowing an increase in production quality. Having well balanced, well colored cinematic coverage, with lush audio really minimizes distractions and allows us to fully immerse ourselves in the story you are telling. The second thing I wish to praise you for, is raising the resale value of my beautiful, 1991 Testarossa! You are a class act.
Your skills in fine tuning this and many other types of complex older power plants is impressive. Multiple carburetors or mechanical multi-port injectors with correct spark delivery are music and poetry when everything is set up properly. Great content is found here.
Lovely! Saw a red one parked on the side of the road in Martinborough (New Zealand) a few years ago, it had at least 4-5 passers-by stopping and looking at continuously it the whole time. The latest gunmetal grey Aston Martin DB-whatever was parked further down the street, that car was no doubt significantly faster and better in every way, but absolutely nobody cared.
1 of my all time favorite Ferrari's from my early school years along with the 288 GTO. Agree with your opinion on how understated it still is today. A good technical insight into an 80's classic. The very reasons I got hooked on Miami Vice with DJ & Co. 👍👏
Just found a (new to me) great part about the Tyrrell episodes. Iain's chatter about the cars is so enjoyable that you don't need to see the pictures. Well, you do, but only because it makes them even better. Just spent five minutes preoccupied by cooking and, enjoyed every word. Now rewinding to see what the little Alfa racing car looked like. Many thanks Iain. Once again a treat.
I have a soft spot for these beasties. 1982 at Le Mans and I was standing between the Dunlop Bridge and the Esses. The Rothmans 956s swept past, very quiet with heavy turbocharging, then a gaggle of other turbo cars. I was very disappointed aurally. Then near the end of the queue were a couple of 365 Berlinetta Boxers. They sounded magnifique on full beans but on the orer-run they crackled and spat blue flames. Made my day listening to them and watching the blue pulses at night. Shame about the Ford C100s, they sounded good too but not for long.
One Sunday morning in King's Cross (Sydney), a Testarossa was blasting through the concrete canyons and the reverbrating exhaust is something I still remember twenty-five years later...
"I know from experience", and goes about to adjust the mixture by hand, now that's what separates the boys and the man. Thanks for sharing once again Iain.. I also appreciate the hidden gesture in the shock absorber remark, that cars like these are meant to be driven, not just parked in a dark garage..
I still maintain that the best place for wing mirrors is exactly that, on the wings. When I had my old S2a LandRover I did look into changing the position of the mirrors to the doors, but the wing locations for them was so much better, especially after replacing the mirrors with larger glass.
There are many on youtube that comment on these exotics. Their quirks, features and driveability. Only the most masterful and experienced can devulge the technical aspects and real world ownership and maintenance comparisons to cars of their quality and generation.
We used to joke about the width of the TRs, you could go for a picnic and have your own table for 6 across the back. But nowadays there are many mid-size saloons that are wider, let alone SUVs. Although thinking about it, from my few miles in a 512TR it wasn't the absolute width that was the problem, it was worrying about just how much wider were the bits behind that you couldn't see compared to the front that you could.
then look at the edge of the mirrors and figure those are sticking out bigger than the honches in the back, its just a matter of learning the car and its heft, think like the suit the guy from the talking heads wore in stop making sense, and then just learn to mind the edges lol
@@soaringvulture it wasn’t the engine that made it that wide; it was the radiators sitting either side of it. Compare with the Boxer with the same engine.
Lovely to re visit these videos…. and re acquaint ones self with some of these wonderful snippets of information….ozone from the alternator affecting the cam belt rubber! Who would’ve thought!
YES!!! fabulous K-Jetronic, to my opinion the all times best injection ever, in my 412 manual it gives the same magnificent tractablity. Wonderful video with many special advice, many thanks
Wonderful video as always! The cause of its width was the sidemounted radiators behind those slats - the 365BB was front rad, with lots of cabin heat. Was it the clever Lampredi Fiat engines sharing the valve shims? Wouldn’t be surprising as it was the first of its kind, as before (Alfas, Jaguars etc) you had to remove the cams for adjustments - not here! I learned at Volvo the 70’s B21/23 engines copied Fiats valve technology straight off! 😊 Today we can buy Volvo shims for our old Fiat twin cams and they fit exactly. For certain Ferraris too then!
Ian, I think the V12 in the Testarossa is indeed flat, but it isn't a boxer engine. It's firing pattern is more like a v12 where as a boxer engine the cylinders from opposite sides go back and forth together (looking a bit like boxers throwing punches).
I always write the same thing on every Testarossa-video: I have a 512 Tr that I bought 2006. Apart from a bit of problems with stability in a straight line I think it`s a wonderful car. It is fast, nice to sit in, good sound with original exhaust. A bit of a hassle with the cambeltchange every 4-5 years. But then it gets a proper look through. I would definitely recommend it to everyone. It is a showpiece due to design and proportions. Really nice to have in the garage. I have some videos on my channel for those interested 🙂
Hi from Sydney, Australia. These are the only modern Ferrari that I have ever liked and since new in the 1980's. my grandad's mate who was basically known in Sydney firstly when young as "mr Bugatti" , then later as "mr Ferrari" as his level of knowhow was above all others. I remember the first one of these he looked over as under warranty the dealer had been skill-less to tune/repair it. Les had fixed one of my cars when I didn't have the tools to do it. Upon collecting my car Les said well "master Harvie" jump in and I''ll take you for a ride , we only went down the side street to his workshop , a really , really wide boulevard of a street that went past Willoughby park & oval , it was a mile long , Les reconned that this was Ferrari's very best , PERIOD , and was the only new Ferrari model that Les ever bought , ever. An elderly man now , he still owns it . ALSO this was the FIRST new model that the Ferrari USA could sell in near ten years as none had passed the draconian front bumper laws, but when they were relaxed back to 2.5 mph damage free front & rear finally Ferrari USA had been able to sell their first new cars since 1973. Ferrari sold stacks & stacks in the USA helped of course by none other than Don Johnson & Miami Vice . But also it had to comply with the new consumer affairs laws iin the USA , so dynamically it HAD to be very good in being reliable or else it would have bankrupted not only Ferrari , but "overlords" FIAT as well, the rest is history. This was a seminal car for Ferrari, better than anyone gives it credit for .
Fascinating as always. Great to see the addition of drive-by and external shots. Seeing and hearing the car accelerating past gives a great impression of how it would appear to an observer on the road. More of these sorts of cars are always welcome to see. Looking forward very much to the BB or BBi video.
I’ve always been a fan of the BB, whether in 365GTB or 512 guise…I think it is possibly the prettiest Ferrari of all time (the 275GTB is the other contender for me). Your comment about the engine sounding ‘expensive’ really resonates. I recall driving into work in London many, many years ago, and being overtaken by a 365 with the peashooter exhausts. I was struck by how subtly exotic it sounded. I’ve never been a huge fan of the Testarossa, just too slab sided and angular for my tastes, the exception being that wonderful square on rear aspect that just looked SO wide in the mid ‘80’s. Personally I think that the 512TR modifications brought out the best in the car, and it might well have a place in my dream garage…depending on my budget! Great work as always Mr Tyrrell.
(English) "B roads"!. Every time I see you driving on one I remember a trip utilising some B roads on a trip to Edinburgh from London in 2017. When I returned to Australia I received 8 traffic camera fines. Interestingly, the legislation did not allow for camera fines when using an international license in the UK (at that time). I did not pay them as, in addition, the fines came to my home address in Canberra addressed to a similar name to mine ( but different) thanks to a rental company employee who was headquartered in Brussels. Bravo for a great Vid once again. Every time I watch one I buy a lottery ticket!.
Great job Todd. What a transformation. Hope you can get the rest of the interior looking that good. Also think your production has come on significantly since the early videos, especially the use of time lapse.
When 385 horsepower was over the top. But I would still take this than any other hybrid or hyper now days which can car can deliver. This car has style.
God I STILL want one, above all other cars, all these years later. Watching this great video has just made me even more lustful for one, exactly like this: Monospecchio & Monodado, 1985 / 1986. Only change would be Bianca Avus FER100 and Crema, just like Sonny Crockett’s.. Fabulous video Mr Tyrrell!
The ozone thing may not be BS. On the Porsche 964 distributor Porsche attributed ozone, generated from sparking, accumulating inside the distributor and damaging the distributor's drive belt. The fix was to vent the distributor housing to stop ozone build up.
I own a 964 and have always been proud of its environmental cred. Here we have something that actually contributes to the ozone layer rather than destroying it. 😊
Whether it affected the belt or not, brushed motors and alternators do produce ozone. If you know the smell of a hard worked electric motor (Good old RC cars for instance) then you know what ozone smells like, that’s the smell.
I fell in love with the Ferrari boxer engine after an article in CAR written by LJK Setright....well not the article, more the excellent drawing and witty captions in the drawing of the engine by LJK himself.
Another car that used the Michelin TRX system was the Ford Mustang in 1979-1980. Ford used the 390mm wheels. The wheels and tires were part of a "handling" package on the Cobra model as used on the 1979 Indianapolis 500 pace car. The package was available separately, which I ordered on my 1980 Mustang. In 1980, Goodyear released their Eagle GT tires in the size the Mustang used. I bought a set and my recollection is that they were quieter and had better wet traction than the Michelins.
I always liked the look of the early Testarossa with that single high slung exterior mirror. I remember the high COG caused handling issues as called out by many motoring journalists at the time. My understanding is that the 512 TR addressed this issue.
Thank you Iain. That was a wonderful episode. A wonderful insight into a car I will never own... but now desire. You Sir, may cost me a lot of money one day!
Looking at the fuel lines at 16:00 K jetronic comes to mind… (A double set for the v12) I still remember the k jetronic of my ‘81 5cylinder 2.2L GL5E Audi 100 Avant type 43. And lateron in this video indeed you mention the double set🤣
Thank you for another excellent video never miss any of your videos the content is always so informative and the quality of your workmanship is so high more of the same please
Thankyou lain . I can vouch for the quietness of the exhaust . I was parked directly behind an identical car earlier this year at a classic car show. I can also vouch for the enormous rear end ( oh matron !) Having seen one pass me by as l waited to join the main road to my right way back in it's maiden year ! I suppose it mirrors the early V12 XJS in some ways which l was very fortunate to own in the early '90's. As always your coverage always leaves me with an indelible grin ! Thankyou Meastro
A guy owned one and he use to visit his mother once a week and that was the car he drove to her house. She lived right up the street from me. Whenever he wouod drive by I would drop whatever I was doing to watch him go by in that car. I believe it was an '87 and he was still driving well into the 90's.
Just watched this again - it´s educating and entertaining on all possible levels. Thx, Ian. These cars will increase in value due to their pedigree, thus, if you´ve got one out there don´t sell ...unless you're broke or your ex is pointing a gun at you 🙂
Don't know about ozone being generated by the alternator stator, but magnetic fields can play a role in ozone generation. Alternators do have brushes though, and there will be some ozone generated by those. The mid mounted engine also gets less ventilation because of the location so that does not help. In addition, in terms of air flow, the timing belts are pretty much located downstream of the alternator on some of the models.
Hi Ian. Any chance of a video on tunning K/KE injection? I have a 1976 Carrera 3.0 and have found it very difficult to get good driveability using pressure gauges and a CO machine.
Ozone does have a far higher oxidative effect on materials, although one would assume the volumes and such would need to be relatively high coming from an alternator.
I originally came from Marlow Buckinghamshire and a guy there owned a BB512 and then Testarossa. Both were red and he use to give them some beans up the high street. Not appropriated now of course but wonderful to hear.
I remember Mr. Pescarolo testing it in a french magazine after a Countach in the eighties. He wrote, in a Testarossa you smoke a cigar, in the Countach you eat it.
And thus another wonderful video from the fountain of knowledge that is Iain Tyrrell. I am almost convinced now that you know more about Ferrari than Ferrari themselves. Hugely entertaining and bristling with information. Thanks Iain. Cheers, Bob
Always loved the Testarossa. Great video Iain. BTW, those roads in your area look very sub-standard. Keep the great videos coming. Must be time for a Porsche 928update??? Cheers Tony
I have to adjust the mixture on my 308 almost everytime I drive it on that Bosch CIS system. Always have my hex key handy. But a simple system once you understand it.
Remarkable.... I had this model............. (in 1/18th scale).........on my desk!!!!!!! It was interesting only to people who had parents who drove Cadillacs. "Testarossa" is so much more intense than "Sedan de Ville."
That was fantastic! when I used to live down near to Dartmouth in Devon, there was a man that lived sort of near to me and he had one of those and they looked just stunning! We used to go to the same health club! I wished I had asked him if I could have had a look inside! 😩I loved them then and still do! That was delightful to watch thank you so much!
a few notes I've found with these, 1986 was the first year of a double plate clutch they put on these, the gearbox thanks to its location is very sensitive to small adjustments, thus explaining the complaints people had, thus neccistating the switch to a double ball bearing clutch with the 512TR and that the tires had options, they had a larger and smaller tire option for them, that contributes to people complaining about how hard it is to drive, 225's and 235's in the fronts, in addition to them switching from a half an inch rim size for the 1984 to 1986 models, to one that was of a normal size which restricts the car to the Michelin TWX's like this one has, the number that comes to mind is 16.5 inch, and they havent made those in 20 years, which is probably what's got it running rough there, like its not the dampners, its the wheels while they went with 16's latter on in 87, which is most noted by them having TWO wing mirrors, hence why both Harry went with one like that, and Ratarossa with his, and I took note of this on harry's car as he's got the 225's so go over to your other testarossa there, if its an 87 with centerlocks, see if it will fit, if not hit up longstone tyres in the UK, they have some rare tires in order 225/60 VR 16.5 I think, and 255 with an optional rear of 275, and also you guys have higher petrol than we do, thus explaining the output drop abit better too actually, harry quoted 375, US the low 300's and then with your lifter thing with the valves, suddenly things make abit more sense, as if you neglect it and let it go with a motor like that, which with a 2 year interval to switch the cambelt that everyone would say hell to well it reduces the horsepower considerably and can ruin the motor, something that happened on american cars with solid lifter cams the most notable one being one that belonged to a guy who sold his 396 corvette for a 327 malibu, telling the guy he has to look after it and tune it every six months or he's going to ruin the motor and then six months latter the guy calls to ask what is wrong with the car which means I need to find one that wasnt maintained by a moron and it will be far quicker than what everyone thinks of it which seems to be the common variable, as people who like it, Harry, Ratarossa, and the guy with the 89 ones who say its slow, the moron from fast and loud who never pays sticker, and tyler hoover from hoovies garage who had an awful one with rims that looked like they were stolen off of the detomaso pantera stuntcar they had on miami vice which were excessively deep dish in the back to fit the body, like the car would have been perfect if it had just been set right with a few slight mods to it
It's funny that you don't see many Testarossa up for sale whereas a Diablo turns up every now and then on Autotrader considering there were so many more Testarossa made!
7:00 The alternator *stator* winding, the clue is in the name, doesn't move. So it does not need slip rings to feed power in or out. It's hard-wired. Thus it cannot possibly be a source of ozone. The alternator *rotor* winding, the clue is in the name, does necessarily have a slip ring and that slip ring could arc and spark a bit, and might be a source of ozone (maybe, maybe not).
Would be nice to know why Forghieri chose a 180 degree V12 over an actual boxer motor. I remember the era of these cars when new and they were incredibly unreliable and had a tendency to catch fire. From a service perspective, the rubber valve train belts were designed as a dealership business model. I never saw a belt fail at 2-3x recommended intervals, but we had customers in every fortnite. The heater cores never really worked. The ozone story is hilarious but certainly nonsense. They were visually unique and striking in person, much different that the race-car-on-the-road that has most of these type of cars looking similar to each other today. The side strakes were there for some stupid homologation safety concern, but never aged well as a solution. The use of this car in Miami Vice was actually a legal settlement between Ferrari and producers because the series originally used a fake 365 GT Daytona Spyder built on a Corvette chassis.
Maybe a crankshaft for a V12 is easier to produce, shorter and lighter. After all you'd need 12 seperate crank pins for a boxer engine. Has anyone ever made a 12 cylinder boxer?
@@robkleinlangevelsloo259 I remember an interview I heard with Hans Mezger, the head of engine development at Porsche and designer of the 917 engine. He said that a 12 cylinder boxer was difficult if not impossible because of the required firing order. I never questioned this, but I have never tried to find out about the science behind this statement.
@@robkleinlangevelsloo259Motori Moderni made a Boxer 12 F1 engine for Subaru. It was underpowered and unrealiable and didn't even last a full season before being retired. The design ended up in the hands of Christian Von Koenigsegg of all people, with the intent to use it in his then-upcoming Koenigsegg supercar. However for one reason or another he ended up switching to a Ford V8 for production. I believe Christian has said that he still has the blueprints and parts sitting around somewhere
As a Canadian teenager I was in Paris with some friends in 1990 and we walked past the Lamborghini and Ferrari dealerships on our way to the Arc de Triomphe and Champs Elysees for an evening on the town. We stopped into the Ferrari dealership and a very beautiful young French woman in a black leather skirt and a red Ferrari sweater indulged us as we gawked over her and the only new car in the showroom, a Testarossa. A great memory from a great trip.
I'm from northern Canada myself and I saw my first TR on the streets of Paris in '92 - it was black and had obviously been sitting for some time as it was covered with dust but it certainly enthralled me...
Vivid anacdote, well told.
Very nostalgic car to me. I remember having a poster of this car as a small boy. I was born the same year 86. Just seeing it like this makes me feel like a child again, looking at that poster on my wall.
'Not a B road hustler'. I had to chuckle! Brought back memories of driving to my mum's one Christmas. At the time, I was driving a Peugeot 306 turbo diesel - a fabulous little B road hustler. Somewhere in Bedfordshire I found a had a Testerossa right up my back end, but we were running out of straight road for him to overtake. Went through a left hander at about 60, realised he'd disappeared. As much as he caught me on the straights, in the bends he was hopeless. I later realised that the width of his car was compromising his positioning options, and on a cold, damp December day, probably wasn't getting his tyres up to a good temperature. Fantastic video as always!
The car that mesmerised me and every teenager in the 80’s. I’ve always wanted one and 4 years ago I nearly grabbed one however to this day I am devastated. In Sept 2020 Bonhams held an auction and a low mileage Testarossa was offered. The guide price was £110-130k which immediately made me switch off. On checking the sales results a few days after the auction I was gob smacked to see that the car bidding had stopped at £60k and the 🎉final sale price was £80k. I was not well and to this day still suffering the pains 😩😭
There's a Testarossa body shell sitting high up in a car breakers yard, so it's visible, 10 miles north of Rome.
I've seen it there for about the last 20 years and always look to see it when passing...... not in a good state obviously.
Thankyou for your great channel 👍✌️🇬🇧
The Testarossa will probably never be equalled as the ultimate boys’ room poster car. It just oozes cool! Great video as usual, Mr. Tyrrell!
Depends on when you were a boy.....:) For me it has to be the Muira......but then I'm an old codger!
A 180 v12 engine or flat12 is completely different from a boxer12 engine: in the first, every connecting pin rod of the cranckshaft has got 2 rods connected, in the second only one rod for connecting pin. Only in the second the pistons move simultaneously in opposite directions , hence the name "boxer".
Not exactly “completely different” then….
@@johnmoruzzi7236 Firing order, torque, power band, peak power, vibratiions, balance and sound are different.
@@johnmoruzzi7236 The Ferrari flat 12 and an equivalent Boxer 12 are very different configurations. The Ferrari 12 has the two adjoining piston-rod assemblies fitted to a single crank pin, whilst a Boxer 12 has adjoining piston-rod assemblies fitted to separate 'off-set' crank pins. The effect is the Ferrari flat 12 has the two adjoing pistons moving in the same direction (courtesy of the common crank pin), whilst the Boxer has the two adjoning pistons moving in opposite directions. The Ferrari flat 12 effectively uses a configuration that is similar to a 'traditional V8' with the exception that the cylinder banks are 180 degrees apart as opposed to 90 degrees apart for the 'traditional V8'.
But just the crank is different... a 90 degree flat-plane crank V8 is NOT completely different from a 90 degree cross-plane V8, but the overall
character is of course very different.@@andream2360
I came to say this, too! The word Boxer should never have been applied to 180° V engines!
I use Loctite 574 which is a wonderful product. I have managed to keep oil inside Italian motorcycle engines with it, so it must be good!
I discovered it when working for JCB, we used it on transmissions and axles.
Love the channel, interesting and informative without the annoying elements found elsewhere on TH-cam. Bravo 👏
My 3800 swapped Fiero GT has a leak from the trans pan. Do you think that would fix it?
@c.s.charles2102 If its all in good order otherwise, I'd certainly consider using it. Have applied it to gaskets as well as metal to metal faces and its good stuff. 👍
@@mainlander6299 I know the gasket on the pan is new, but it still leaks for some reason. Thanks for answering. I think I'll give it a try.
I didn’t think your videos could get any better, but this is just magic, absolute magic! Thank you, Iain; a joy to watch. Bravo!
I love the technical knowledge and behind-the-scenes anecdotes
For those of us who can't afford to purchase, store, run a car like this your TH-cam channel is a godsend Ian. Thank you.
Thank you
And nor would many of us want to honestly
It may not be the best Ferrari but it is one of THE iconic supercars. Instantly recognisable. I'd have one in a heartbeat.
Thank you again Iain. Being of a certain age, the Testarossa will always have a place in my heart. They really were a GT car, as you point out.
Fantastic. These have always been extraordinary eye-catching and spectacular in my view. Even today, they do stack up quite well despite their rather angular look; still appearing as an epitome of design. What does surprise me though is how civil they actually sound, drive and behave. And are they fast... Not that long ago, me cruising at 200 kmh on the autobahn, a red Testarossa overtook me as I was standing still... Not sure if it was doing about top speed but it was 'woosh' and far in the distance ahead of me in a matter of seconds she was... Glorious these cars, still. Thank you Iian for taking us along virtually in one of them 💓
What a legendary car. The strakes and wide rear are as exciting to look at as any supercar, ever.
Wow, beautifully done, I felt a fool, watching the whole video twice, but I couldn’t resist. Your stories of the past and strong knowledge of these cars so very well articulated in narration. Well done, kind sir!
One of the wall poster legends of the 80’s and 90’s. 👍🏻
Ian, the depth and breath of your practical automotive knowledge is astounding
You do a top notch job of describing the characteristics of this iconic blast from the past. Much appreciated..
Ian, it's such a pleasure to listen to you explain such nerdy things about cars and engines, but also that you appreciate cars that I also like and can afford, such as the Citroen CX and the Fiat 130, at the same time as you also work with the most exotic cars that exist at all. You are also able to adjust a carburetor and engine by ear, something that today's digital world has completely forgotten. A pleasure to see you adjust carburetors for a V12 with your technical hearing module. Thinking of a story I heard. A man who was going on a drive of 275 miles. As he started his walk he heard thump-thump sounds. He just turned up the volume on the stereo and continued driving. This was winter time up in the Arctic regions and when he arrived he realized where the sound was coming from. The trunk lid was not left and the trunk was now densely packed with snow. Just shows how important all sound is in a car, and new sounds have to be investigated where they come from.
Ian, two things here I would like to praise you and thank you for. Number one, thank you, for allowing an increase in production quality. Having well balanced, well colored cinematic coverage, with lush audio really minimizes distractions and allows us to fully immerse ourselves in the story you are telling. The second thing I wish to praise you for, is raising the resale value of my beautiful, 1991 Testarossa! You are a class act.
Thank you, and happy to oblige!
Your skills in fine tuning this and many other types of complex older power plants is impressive. Multiple carburetors or mechanical multi-port injectors with correct spark delivery are music and poetry when everything is set up properly. Great content is found here.
iain is a gentleman, engineer, with a hooligan smile when he rev's a V12, the template of an englishman for us french....
Lovely! Saw a red one parked on the side of the road in Martinborough (New Zealand) a few years ago, it had at least 4-5 passers-by stopping and looking at continuously it the whole time.
The latest gunmetal grey Aston Martin DB-whatever was parked further down the street, that car was no doubt significantly faster and better in every way, but absolutely nobody cared.
1 of my all time favorite Ferrari's from my early school years along with the 288 GTO. Agree with your opinion on how understated it still is today. A good technical insight into an 80's classic. The very reasons I got hooked on Miami Vice with DJ & Co. 👍👏
Just found a (new to me) great part about the Tyrrell episodes. Iain's chatter about the cars is so enjoyable that you don't need to see the pictures. Well, you do, but only because it makes them even better.
Just spent five minutes preoccupied by cooking and, enjoyed every word. Now rewinding to see what the little Alfa racing car looked like.
Many thanks Iain. Once again a treat.
This is truly one of the very best automotive channels on youtube. I always feel like I'm having a lovely conversation with my grandpa.
Wonderful video. The TR is still a fantastic 🏎 all these years later. Still enjoy seeing them. Timeless classic.
I have a soft spot for these beasties. 1982 at Le Mans and I was standing between the Dunlop Bridge and the Esses. The Rothmans 956s swept past, very quiet with heavy turbocharging, then a gaggle of other turbo cars. I was very disappointed aurally. Then near the end of the queue were a couple of 365 Berlinetta Boxers. They sounded magnifique on full beans but on the orer-run they crackled and spat blue flames. Made my day listening to them and watching the blue pulses at night. Shame about the Ford C100s, they sounded good too but not for long.
Wonderful video as usual Iain. The Countach might have been the shout, dramatic choice but the Testarossa is just as incredible in it's own way.
Always enjoyable to watch Iain's videos of these wonderful cars from when I was a lad.
One Sunday morning in King's Cross (Sydney), a Testarossa was blasting through the concrete canyons and the reverbrating exhaust is something I still remember twenty-five years later...
"I know from experience", and goes about to adjust the mixture by hand, now that's what separates the boys and the man. Thanks for sharing once again Iain.. I also appreciate the hidden gesture in the shock absorber remark, that cars like these are meant to be driven, not just parked in a dark garage..
I still maintain that the best place for wing mirrors is exactly that, on the wings. When I had my old S2a LandRover I did look into changing the position of the mirrors to the doors, but the wing locations for them was so much better, especially after replacing the mirrors with larger glass.
There are many on youtube that comment on these exotics. Their quirks, features and driveability. Only the most masterful and experienced can devulge the technical aspects and real world ownership and maintenance comparisons to cars of their quality and generation.
We used to joke about the width of the TRs, you could go for a picnic and have your own table for 6 across the back. But nowadays there are many mid-size saloons that are wider, let alone SUVs. Although thinking about it, from my few miles in a 512TR it wasn't the absolute width that was the problem, it was worrying about just how much wider were the bits behind that you couldn't see compared to the front that you could.
then look at the edge of the mirrors and figure those are sticking out bigger than the honches in the back, its just a matter of learning the car and its heft, think like the suit the guy from the talking heads wore in stop making sense, and then just learn to mind the edges lol
Well, if you have a flat DOHC V-12, you're going to have a wide car.
@@soaringvulture it wasn’t the engine that made it that wide; it was the radiators sitting either side of it. Compare with the Boxer with the same engine.
Lovely to re visit these videos…. and re acquaint ones self with some of these wonderful snippets of information….ozone from the alternator affecting the cam belt rubber! Who would’ve thought!
Totally forgot to mention: Awesome car, my all time favorite Ferrari, and awesome video!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
best 30 minutes viewing of the day! Thank you.
I requested this video a few months ago, and your delivered, many thanks, its a great video, very informative and a great watch
YES!!! fabulous K-Jetronic, to my opinion the all times best injection ever, in my 412 manual it gives the same magnificent tractablity. Wonderful video with many special advice, many thanks
I was never a fan of the Testarossa, but I certainly respect them more now. Thank you.
Wonderful video as always! The cause of its width was the sidemounted radiators behind those slats - the 365BB was front rad, with lots of cabin heat. Was it the clever Lampredi Fiat engines sharing the valve shims? Wouldn’t be surprising as it was the first of its kind, as before (Alfas, Jaguars etc) you had to remove the cams for adjustments - not here! I learned at Volvo the 70’s B21/23 engines copied Fiats valve technology straight off! 😊 Today we can buy Volvo shims for our old Fiat twin cams and they fit exactly. For certain Ferraris too then!
Ian, I think the V12 in the Testarossa is indeed flat, but it isn't a boxer engine. It's firing pattern is more like a v12 where as a boxer engine the cylinders from opposite sides go back and forth together (looking a bit like boxers throwing punches).
I always write the same thing on every Testarossa-video: I have a 512 Tr that I bought 2006. Apart from a bit of problems with stability in a straight line I think it`s a wonderful car. It is fast, nice to sit in, good sound with original exhaust. A bit of a hassle with the cambeltchange every 4-5 years. But then it gets a proper look through. I would definitely recommend it to everyone. It is a showpiece due to design and proportions. Really nice to have in the garage. I have some videos on my channel for those interested 🙂
Hi from Sydney, Australia. These are the only modern Ferrari that I have ever liked and since new in the 1980's. my grandad's mate who was basically known in Sydney firstly when young as "mr Bugatti" , then later as "mr Ferrari" as his level of knowhow was above all others. I remember the first one of these he looked over as under warranty the dealer had been skill-less to tune/repair it. Les had fixed one of my cars when I didn't have the tools to do it. Upon collecting my car Les said well "master Harvie" jump in and I''ll take you for a ride , we only went down the side street to his workshop , a really , really wide boulevard of a street that went past Willoughby park & oval , it was a mile long , Les reconned that this was Ferrari's very best , PERIOD , and was the only new Ferrari model that Les ever bought , ever. An elderly man now , he still owns it . ALSO this was the FIRST new model that the Ferrari USA could sell in near ten years as none had passed the draconian front bumper laws, but when they were relaxed back to 2.5 mph damage free front & rear finally Ferrari USA had been able to sell their first new cars since 1973. Ferrari sold stacks & stacks in the USA helped of course by none other than Don Johnson & Miami Vice . But also it had to comply with the new consumer affairs laws iin the USA , so dynamically it HAD to be very good in being reliable or else it would have bankrupted not only Ferrari , but "overlords" FIAT as well, the rest is history. This was a seminal car for Ferrari, better than anyone gives it credit for .
Fascinating as always. Great to see the addition of drive-by and external shots. Seeing and hearing the car accelerating past gives a great impression of how it would appear to an observer on the road. More of these sorts of cars are always welcome to see. Looking forward very much to the BB or BBi video.
I’ve always been a fan of the BB, whether in 365GTB or 512 guise…I think it is possibly the prettiest Ferrari of all time (the 275GTB is the other contender for me). Your comment about the engine sounding ‘expensive’ really resonates. I recall driving into work in London many, many years ago, and being overtaken by a 365 with the peashooter exhausts. I was struck by how subtly exotic it sounded. I’ve never been a huge fan of the Testarossa, just too slab sided and angular for my tastes, the exception being that wonderful square on rear aspect that just looked SO wide in the mid ‘80’s. Personally I think that the 512TR modifications brought out the best in the car, and it might well have a place in my dream garage…depending on my budget! Great work as always Mr Tyrrell.
Thank you!
(English) "B roads"!. Every time I see you driving on one I remember a trip utilising some B roads on a trip to Edinburgh from London in 2017.
When I returned to Australia I received 8 traffic camera fines. Interestingly, the legislation did not allow for camera fines when using an international license in the UK (at that time). I did not pay them as, in addition, the fines came to my home address in Canberra addressed to a similar name to mine ( but different) thanks to a rental company employee who was headquartered in Brussels.
Bravo for a great Vid once again.
Every time I watch one I buy a lottery ticket!.
Thank you!
Great job Todd. What a transformation. Hope you can get the rest of the interior looking that good. Also think your production has come on significantly since the early videos, especially the use of time lapse.
When 385 horsepower was over the top. But I would still take this than any other hybrid or hyper now days which can car can deliver. This car has style.
God I STILL want one, above all other cars, all these years later.
Watching this great video has just made me even more lustful for one, exactly like this: Monospecchio & Monodado, 1985 / 1986.
Only change would be Bianca Avus FER100 and Crema, just like Sonny Crockett’s..
Fabulous video Mr Tyrrell!
Your smile says it all 😀
Absolutely love the design. Iconic at my age of 52. I couldn't have one because I would have to fall in and crawl out.
The ozone thing may not be BS. On the Porsche 964 distributor Porsche attributed ozone, generated from sparking, accumulating inside the distributor and damaging the distributor's drive belt. The fix was to vent the distributor housing to stop ozone build up.
Correct!
I own a 964 and have always been proud of its environmental cred. Here we have something that actually contributes to the ozone layer rather than destroying it. 😊
Whether it affected the belt or not, brushed motors and alternators do produce ozone. If you know the smell of a hard worked electric motor (Good old RC cars for instance) then you know what ozone smells like, that’s the smell.
If I was lucky enough to own such a classic Car I’d just want Iain to say “ I’m happy with that”. You know your in good hands.
The Testorosa has always been my favourite Ferrari
Even the sound of that Flat 12
I fell in love with the Ferrari boxer engine after an article in CAR written by LJK Setright....well not the article, more the excellent drawing and witty captions in the drawing of the engine by LJK himself.
Have you seen his book, “Some Unusual Engines?”
If you like excellent drawings and LJK’s witty commentary, it’s a must-read.
Cool! The Ferrari version of Tuned Port Injection, My roller cammed 1986 Corvette makes 400hp and 400tq all around 4500- 5000rpm! What fun it is!
Saw one of these as a kid in a grocery store parking lot. It was the first car I had seen that I thought sounded like a motorcycle.
Another car that used the Michelin TRX system was the Ford Mustang in 1979-1980. Ford used the 390mm wheels. The wheels and tires were part of a "handling" package on the Cobra model as used on the 1979 Indianapolis 500 pace car. The package was available separately, which I ordered on my 1980 Mustang. In 1980, Goodyear released their Eagle GT tires in the size the Mustang used. I bought a set and my recollection is that they were quieter and had better wet traction than the Michelins.
I've been fortunate to drive the 512m Testarossa. By far, an amazing performance car for its era, and a thrill to drive to this day.
I always liked the look of the early Testarossa with that single high slung exterior mirror. I remember the high COG caused handling issues as called out by many motoring journalists at the time. My understanding is that the 512 TR addressed this issue.
They get rid of that after a year or two. Which is why the so called flying mirror TRs are so expensive now - they are rare.
My favotite channel along with Harry's!! Top quality job, knowledge and presentation! At 2:00 the red one is a Triumph 2000 / 2500?
Thank you Iain. That was a wonderful episode. A wonderful insight into a car I will never own... but now desire. You Sir, may cost me a lot of money one day!
Happy to be of service….. I think!
Ian - 'The Testarossa had all sorts of creature comforts....... like space!' 😂👌
I occasionally work with pool sterilisation equipment, and I can attest to the abilty of Ozone to degrade rubber and plastics! It's powerful stuff!
Looking at the fuel lines at 16:00 K jetronic comes to mind… (A double set for the v12) I still remember the k jetronic of my ‘81 5cylinder 2.2L GL5E Audi 100 Avant type 43. And lateron in this video indeed you mention the double set🤣
Thank you for another excellent video never miss any of your videos the content is always so informative and the quality of your workmanship is so high more of the same please
Thank you too🙏
Thankyou lain . I can vouch for the quietness of the exhaust . I was parked directly behind an identical car earlier this year at a classic car show. I can also vouch for the enormous rear end ( oh matron !) Having seen one pass me by as l waited to join the main road to my right way back in it's maiden year ! I suppose it mirrors the early V12 XJS in some ways which l was very fortunate to own in the early '90's. As always your coverage always leaves me with an indelible grin ! Thankyou Meastro
Thank YOU John!
My friend Tony owned one in white. Truly a beautiful car
Impeccable watch taste, Mr. Iain!
"Things went pear shaped in 1939" is the most British introduction to WWII I've ever heard and I love it to bits.
Europe including Britain lost its power to Soviet and American Imperialism.
Call them flawed, call them cliche, but I love the Testarossa anyway! One of my faves :) Thanks for the vid
Nice rhyme😊
One of my faves as well 👍
Just an absolute fountain of knowledge. Could listen to you chatting about any type of car and still be just as interested
A guy owned one and he use to visit his mother once a week and that was the car he drove to her house. She lived right up the street from me. Whenever he wouod drive by I would drop whatever I was doing to watch him go by in that car. I believe it was an '87 and he was still driving well into the 90's.
Just watched this again - it´s educating and entertaining on all possible levels. Thx, Ian.
These cars will increase in value due to their pedigree, thus, if you´ve got one out there
don´t sell ...unless you're broke or your ex is pointing a gun at you 🙂
As usual Iain, a classy and fascinating insight into a classic supercar.
When I die and go to heaven, I'll end up at Iain's shop. Great episode
Don't know about ozone being generated by the alternator stator, but magnetic fields can play a role in ozone generation. Alternators do have brushes though, and there will be some ozone generated by those. The mid mounted engine also gets less ventilation because of the location so that does not help. In addition, in terms of air flow, the timing belts are pretty much located downstream of the alternator on some of the models.
ughhhh my all-time favorite car... won't ever own one, sadly... but I drew them all over my notebooks as a kid.
Hi Ian. Any chance of a video on tunning K/KE injection? I have a 1976 Carrera 3.0 and have found it very difficult to get good driveability using pressure gauges and a CO machine.
Ozone does have a far higher oxidative effect on materials, although one would assume the volumes and such would need to be relatively high coming from an alternator.
Thanks for the video. As always it's great and interesting viewing material.
I originally came from Marlow Buckinghamshire and a guy there owned a BB512 and then Testarossa. Both were red and he use to give them some beans up the high street. Not appropriated now of course but wonderful to hear.
I remember Mr. Pescarolo testing it in a french magazine after a Countach in the eighties. He wrote, in a Testarossa you smoke a cigar, in the Countach you eat it.
And thus another wonderful video from the fountain of knowledge that is Iain Tyrrell. I am almost convinced now that you know more about Ferrari than Ferrari themselves. Hugely entertaining and bristling with information. Thanks Iain. Cheers, Bob
Not sure that’s true at all but thanks Bob!
Thanks. Long ago, I used to walk by a showroom with a Testarossa every day. The body was a pleasure to get to know. All the best
Always loved the Testarossa. Great video Iain. BTW, those roads in your area look very sub-standard. Keep the great videos coming. Must be time for a Porsche 928update??? Cheers Tony
I have to adjust the mixture on my 308 almost everytime I drive it on that Bosch CIS system. Always have my hex key handy. But a simple system once you understand it.
Maybe have a look at the fuel supply pump- may be giving inconsistent pressures?
Remarkable....
I had this model............. (in 1/18th scale).........on my desk!!!!!!!
It was interesting only to people who had parents who drove Cadillacs.
"Testarossa" is so much more intense than "Sedan de Ville."
Super video on one of my all time favourite cars - looking forward when it comes out on the 365 - car of my boyhood dreams . Great work 👍
That was fantastic! when I used to live down near to Dartmouth in Devon, there was a man that lived sort of near to me and he had one of those and they looked just stunning! We used to go to the same health club! I wished I had asked him if I could have had a look inside! 😩I loved them then and still do! That was delightful to watch thank you so much!
a few notes I've found with these, 1986 was the first year of a double plate clutch they put on these, the gearbox thanks to its location is very sensitive to small adjustments, thus explaining the complaints people had, thus neccistating the switch to a double ball bearing clutch with the 512TR
and that the tires had options, they had a larger and smaller tire option for them, that contributes to people complaining about how hard it is to drive, 225's and 235's in the fronts, in addition to them switching from a half an inch rim size for the 1984 to 1986 models, to one that was of a normal size
which restricts the car to the Michelin TWX's like this one has, the number that comes to mind is 16.5 inch, and they havent made those in 20 years, which is probably what's got it running rough there, like its not the dampners, its the wheels
while they went with 16's latter on in 87, which is most noted by them having TWO wing mirrors, hence why both Harry went with one like that,
and Ratarossa with his,
and I took note of this on harry's car as he's got the 225's
so go over to your other testarossa there, if its an 87 with centerlocks, see if it will fit, if not hit up longstone tyres in the UK, they have some rare tires in order
225/60 VR 16.5 I think, and 255 with an optional rear of 275,
and also you guys have higher petrol than we do, thus explaining the output drop abit better too actually, harry quoted 375, US the low 300's
and then with your lifter thing with the valves, suddenly things make abit more sense, as if you neglect it and let it go with a motor like that, which with a 2 year interval to switch the cambelt that everyone would say hell to
well it reduces the horsepower considerably and can ruin the motor, something that happened on american cars with solid lifter cams
the most notable one being one that belonged to a guy who sold his 396 corvette for a 327 malibu, telling the guy he has to look after it and tune it every six months or he's going to ruin the motor
and then six months latter the guy calls to ask what is wrong with the car
which means I need to find one that wasnt maintained by a moron and it will be far quicker than what everyone thinks of it
which seems to be the common variable, as people who like it, Harry, Ratarossa, and the guy with the 89
ones who say its slow, the moron from fast and loud who never pays sticker, and tyler hoover from hoovies garage who had an awful one with rims that looked like they were stolen off of the detomaso pantera stuntcar they had on miami vice
which were excessively deep dish in the back to fit the body, like the car would have been perfect if it had just been set right with a few slight mods to it
It's funny that you don't see many Testarossa up for sale whereas a Diablo turns up every now and then on Autotrader considering there were so many more Testarossa made!
7:00 The alternator *stator* winding, the clue is in the name, doesn't move. So it does not need slip rings to feed power in or out. It's hard-wired. Thus it cannot possibly be a source of ozone. The alternator *rotor* winding, the clue is in the name, does necessarily have a slip ring and that slip ring could arc and spark a bit, and might be a source of ozone (maybe, maybe not).
Yes, it’ll be brushes arcing that is produces the ozone.
Would be nice to know why Forghieri chose a 180 degree V12 over an actual boxer motor. I remember the era of these cars when new and they were incredibly unreliable and had a tendency to catch fire. From a service perspective, the rubber valve train belts were designed as a dealership business model. I never saw a belt fail at 2-3x recommended intervals, but we had customers in every fortnite. The heater cores never really worked. The ozone story is hilarious but certainly nonsense.
They were visually unique and striking in person, much different that the race-car-on-the-road that has most of these type of cars looking similar to each other today. The side strakes were there for some stupid homologation safety concern, but never aged well as a solution.
The use of this car in Miami Vice was actually a legal settlement between Ferrari and producers because the series originally used a fake 365 GT Daytona Spyder built on a Corvette chassis.
Maybe a crankshaft for a V12 is easier to produce, shorter and lighter.
After all you'd need 12 seperate crank pins for a boxer engine.
Has anyone ever made a 12 cylinder boxer?
@@robkleinlangevelsloo259 I remember an interview I heard with Hans Mezger, the head of engine development at Porsche and designer of the 917 engine. He said that a 12 cylinder boxer was difficult if not impossible because of the required firing order. I never questioned this, but I have never tried to find out about the science behind this statement.
@@fritzbrause6332 Thanks
@@robkleinlangevelsloo259Motori Moderni made a Boxer 12 F1 engine for Subaru. It was underpowered and unrealiable and didn't even last a full season before being retired. The design ended up in the hands of Christian Von Koenigsegg of all people, with the intent to use it in his then-upcoming Koenigsegg supercar. However for one reason or another he ended up switching to a Ford V8 for production. I believe Christian has said that he still has the blueprints and parts sitting around somewhere
@@Johnny362000 Thanks for your reaction.
Brilliant Ian... thanks for another fantastic video! Cheers, Doug
That and the f40 were framed pictures in my bedroom as a kid, probably not alone there! Great video thank you.
Another great video Iain with wonderful details & always a treat just to see what lovely cars you have dotted around the garage! 👍
also love how you dont always upshift, you let it rundown, def good for the cylinders